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Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: RATTFINK on January 14, 2008, 11:37:19 PM
Maj1shot or better know as CO1147 was killed Jan 1 in Iraq

Pray for his family & friends please.

He was with the original VF-4 Red Rippers when 89Bucky03 was the CO.

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Post by: DoNKeY on January 14, 2008, 11:41:32 PM
I'm sorry to hear that.

Maj1shot; my prayers to you and your family!

donkey
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Post by: 1cajun on January 14, 2008, 11:42:09 PM
Terrible news.  Prayers on the way for his family and friends.
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Post by: crockett on January 14, 2008, 11:49:04 PM
Sorry to hear.. My condolences to his family and friends.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Bodhi on January 14, 2008, 11:56:36 PM
Very sorry to hear.

Prayers said.
Title: Re: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Slash27 on January 15, 2008, 12:00:46 AM
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Originally posted by RATTFINK
Pray for his family & friends please.

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Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: WMLute on January 15, 2008, 12:09:16 AM
My sincerest condolences to all that knew him.

He and they will be in my prayers.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: MajWoody on January 15, 2008, 12:12:41 AM
Thoughts and prayers for his friends & loved ones.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Kermit de frog on January 15, 2008, 12:12:57 AM
Sad news...

Maj1shot aka CO1147
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: SD67 on January 15, 2008, 12:52:31 AM
Maj1shot aka CO1147
Title: Re: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: CAP1 on January 15, 2008, 01:07:56 AM
Quote
Originally posted by RATTFINK
Maj1shot or better know as CO1147 was killed Jan 1 in Iraq

Pray for his family & friends please.

He was with the original VF-4 Red Rippers when 89Bucky03 was the CO.

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<> to him, for his service.......and my sincerest condolences to his family, friends, and squadmates:cry :cry
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: TwentyFo on January 15, 2008, 01:13:00 AM
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Post by: Scherf on January 15, 2008, 01:25:41 AM
My condolences,
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Post by: MWL on January 15, 2008, 01:33:44 AM
Greetings,

 

Regards.
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Post by: sgt203 on January 15, 2008, 03:56:06 AM
<> Prayers sent....
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Post by: MotleyCH on January 15, 2008, 04:03:13 AM
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Post by: halcyon on January 15, 2008, 04:14:50 AM
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Post by: pervert on January 15, 2008, 04:35:29 AM
Maj1shot aka CO1147
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: swoopy on January 15, 2008, 04:45:20 AM


I think i remember him saying he had finished is leave at christmas :(
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: yanksfan on January 15, 2008, 05:12:02 AM
I'm so sorry to hear that "S", Our prayers will be for him and his family.

Don
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Post by: DamnedRen on January 15, 2008, 05:24:18 AM
Prayers sent!
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Post by: Xargos on January 15, 2008, 05:29:20 AM
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Post by: Scotch on January 15, 2008, 05:38:33 AM
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Post by: lutrel on January 15, 2008, 05:57:40 AM


John Luttrell, MSgt, USAF Retired
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Post by: Spikes on January 15, 2008, 06:13:32 AM
My condolences.

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Post by: badhorse on January 15, 2008, 06:34:18 AM
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Blammo on January 15, 2008, 07:07:09 AM
My sympathies and condolences.

My prayers are with the family, friends and comrades of this fallen hero.

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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on January 15, 2008, 07:27:59 AM
Sucks.. my condolences too.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: thndregg on January 15, 2008, 07:30:19 AM
:(
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Post by: go4maw on January 15, 2008, 07:31:58 AM
Salute
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Post by: humble on January 15, 2008, 07:33:21 AM
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Post by: Greebo on January 15, 2008, 07:35:11 AM
Sorry to hear that, my condolences
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Post by: Husky01 on January 15, 2008, 07:36:01 AM
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Post by: rob53 on January 15, 2008, 07:36:25 AM
God Bless and
Prayers said.

Rob
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Post by: RoGenT on January 15, 2008, 09:30:57 AM
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Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: BMathis on January 15, 2008, 09:46:40 AM
Sorry to hear this news...

Maj1shot (aka) CO1147 & his family
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Post by: Saurdaukar on January 15, 2008, 09:49:33 AM
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Post by: clerick on January 15, 2008, 09:58:54 AM
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Post by: 1redrum on January 15, 2008, 10:04:06 AM
sad news indeed , to the bereaved , gods speed
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Post by: Rogue9Volt on January 15, 2008, 10:13:03 AM
<> Maj1shot.  Thank you for your service, sir.  Condolences to Family and Friends.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: MajIssue on January 15, 2008, 10:15:55 AM
R.I.P. Maj1Shot

You will be missed.

Condolances to his family and friends.
Title: Re: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Hawk55 on January 15, 2008, 10:31:58 AM
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Originally posted by RATTFINK
Maj1shot or better know as CO1147 was killed Jan 1 in Iraq

Pray for his family & friends please.

He was with the original VF-4 Red Rippers when 89Bucky03 was the CO.

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and Prayer extended:(
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Yeager on January 15, 2008, 10:34:56 AM
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties_current.htm

:cry
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: MjTalon on January 15, 2008, 10:49:19 AM
Very sorry to hear.

On behalf of the AA's, are prayers are with his family.

Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: 68Raptor on January 15, 2008, 11:05:34 AM
Maj1Shot
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Post by: LYNX on January 15, 2008, 11:08:08 AM
my belated sympathies for the family and friends

The light will comfort him and time sooth the sorrow.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: 5PointOh on January 15, 2008, 11:20:22 AM
Sorry to hear that, my condolences :(
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Shuffler on January 15, 2008, 12:09:12 PM
Prayers for him and his family...
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Yeager on January 15, 2008, 01:40:43 PM
According to globalsecurity.org, no american deaths were recorded to have occured on Jan 1, 2008:  

Was he wounded on Jan 1 only to perish on a later date?

Does anyone who played the game with him know his name?  Perhaps there is a way that a contribution can be made directly to the family?
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Wax on January 15, 2008, 02:05:00 PM
Maj1Shot
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Post by: wreckedem on January 15, 2008, 04:38:51 PM
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Post by: Hajo on January 15, 2008, 05:15:18 PM
My deepest sympathies to his family.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Skull-1 on January 15, 2008, 05:41:39 PM
Never knew him but I am still saddened by this news.

Tailwinds...
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: USRanger on January 15, 2008, 07:29:48 PM
Another brother lost...
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Post by: nirvana on January 15, 2008, 07:33:52 PM
My condolences to his family and friends


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Post by: CheeseHead on January 15, 2008, 09:21:52 PM
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Post by: kilz on January 15, 2008, 09:59:38 PM
WOW this is sad news. Maj1shot. my prayers are going out to his family and friends :(
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Post by: E25280 on January 15, 2008, 10:14:58 PM
:(



Prayers sent.
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Post by: detch01 on January 15, 2008, 10:21:47 PM
damn :(.
My condolences to his family, friends and squad-mates. Sad news indeed.




asw
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Post by: mensa180 on January 15, 2008, 11:41:48 PM
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Post by: GooseAW on January 16, 2008, 10:06:38 AM
Dammit!.......................{S}
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Post by: kotrenin on January 16, 2008, 11:07:32 AM
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Post by: craig666 on January 16, 2008, 01:11:01 PM
Tribute to a fallen hero. We all are playing a game here, but he was living the life.  We are all deeply saddened that we've lost someone so close to home.

Thoughts and prayers are with the family.   Would sure love to see tribute section on this site to ALL military members who actively participate on this forum.
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Post by: Redlegs on January 16, 2008, 01:20:36 PM
Maj1Shot
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Post by: 68ROX on January 16, 2008, 01:41:57 PM
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Prayers and a deep appreciation of his ultimate sacrifice for his country.


68ROX
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Post by: Shamus on January 16, 2008, 01:56:20 PM
and condolences

shamus
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: RATTFINK on January 16, 2008, 02:03:05 PM
A squaddie of mine wrote this on the VF-31 BBS.


"I know you've all heard this before but freedom isn't free and Jesse ( CO1147 ) paid the ultimate price so the rest of us can enjoy the freedoms we sometimes take for granted. God bless him and all who wear or have worn the uniforms of our great nation." -StarRdr VF-31 Tomcatters [former VF-4]


Indeed (http://www.99thastag.org/membersftp/cap/smiles/salute.gif)
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Yeager on January 16, 2008, 02:14:16 PM
RAT,

Do you have his full name?  I feel obligated as an American to understand the circumstances surrounding his loss, since we shared this common hobby, I feel a connection to the guy.  I want to know more.

The closest KIA I can find to the name Jesse is one Cpl. Jason F. Lemke, from injuries sustained from an improvised explosive device detonation near his vehicle while conducting operations in Diyala Province, Jan. 5 / DoD Release: Died Jan. 5 in Ibrahim Al Adham, Iraq, of wounds suffered when his vehicle struck an IED

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Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: RATTFINK on January 16, 2008, 02:20:06 PM
I'm not sure what his last name is but here is his photo from my buddy list on my site.  I'll ask StarRdr & or 89Bucky03.


(http://vf31tomcatters.aowc.net/user/profiles/251795/profile_big.jpg)

Jesse

Gender: Male

Age: 36
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Yeager on January 16, 2008, 02:25:03 PM
Ok thanks RAT.

If you guys find out more please post it here.  Thanks for sharing the pic



:cry
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Post by: Fencer51 on January 16, 2008, 04:22:55 PM
Darn sorry to hear this.
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Post by: Mr No Name on January 16, 2008, 07:47:19 PM
Maj1shot.  Most sincere thanks for your service to all of us.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Citabria on January 16, 2008, 10:22:35 PM
so is this yet another hoax?

there is no one matching this guys description on the casualty list and there is no real name given.

its bad enough I have on my concience that I voted twice for the idiot that started this war that is getting a lot of good people killed and even worse when someone tries to pretend someone I know of died in said war without giving any facts or proof or even dates that remotely corespond to actual events.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: RATTFINK on January 16, 2008, 11:53:23 PM
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Originally posted by Citabria
so is this yet another hoax?

there is no one matching this guys description on the casualty list and there is no real name given.

its bad enough I have on my concience that I voted twice for the idiot that started this war that is getting a lot of good people killed and even worse when someone tries to pretend someone I know of died in said war without giving any facts or proof or even dates that remotely corespond to actual events.


:huh


This is some real shyte sir.  I really can't believe you would think I made it up.  I have plenty of people who can back me up.

CO1147/Jesse did not include alot of info. on his "My Page" besides his name, B-Day.

Like I said I need to get in touch w/ Cigarman & 89Bucky03 to get more detailed info. on how he was killed & what his last name is.

He was not in my squad but w/ a squad we did Co Ops w/ & I barley knew the guy but I figured that I would honor a guy who knew some of the original VF-4 that are now in my squad.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: RATTFINK on January 17, 2008, 12:03:58 AM
http://vf41redrippers.spruz.net/


Very Bad News
Posted by Cigarman on Sunday, January 06, 2008 at 5:27:50 AM
Just thought I would let everybody know that Jesse (Maj1shot, CO1147) was killed in action Tuesday Jan 1 around 3:00 am over in Iraq. He will be terribly missed.
 
Cigarman


_____________________________ ______________________


CO1147's "My Page"

http://vf41redrippers.spruz.net/CO1147
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 17, 2008, 01:54:59 AM
I have the same concerns as Fester and I've also shared them with Yeager.  I really do hope I am incorrect and if I am, I really am sorry but this just makes the little alarms go off in my head.

First, we have very scant information, only a first name, age and photo to go on.  

Checking the casualties list, only two soldiers are near the age that is given for Maj1Shot.  One is listed as being 37 and the other is 32.  Maj1Shot's age falls in between at 36.  Both officers were killed on Jan. 3 in As Sadiyah from small arms fire.  There aren't any reported combat/non-combat deaths for January 1.  The casualties reported for January 2nd can't be him since they were both 24.

Then there is the photograph.  The photograph shows Maj1Shot in a flight suit sitting on an Apache holding his weapon.  This photo leads me to believe that he served in a helicopter unit, further reinforced by another photo on your squadron's website of a helicopter unit group photo.  I'm guessing this is the unit Maj1Shot is serving in.  Looking at the casualty reports, the only casualties were those soldiers serving in infantry or special forces units.  There aren't any reported casualties among any aviation unit for any of the services in January or in December for that matter.

There is also the name.  None of the soldiers that were killed in January were named "Jesse" but that could have been his nickname.

Things just don't add up.  Again, I do apologize for this post but it just doesn't feel right.  I hope I am wrong.  I also don't think RATTFINK or anyone else his squadron is trying to pull a fast one on us, but someone close to them is.


ack-ack
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: RATTFINK on January 17, 2008, 08:20:10 AM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I have the same concerns as Fester and I've also shared them with Yeager.  I really do hope I am incorrect and if I am, I really am sorry but this just makes the little alarms go off in my head.

First, we have very scant information, only a first name, age and photo to go on.  

Checking the casualties list, only two soldiers are near the age that is given for Maj1Shot.  One is listed as being 37 and the other is 32.  Maj1Shot's age falls in between at 36.  Both officers were killed on Jan. 3 in As Sadiyah from small arms fire.  There aren't any reported combat/non-combat deaths for January 1.  The casualties reported for January 2nd can't be him since they were both 24.

Then there is the photograph.  The photograph shows Maj1Shot in a flight suit sitting on an Apache holding his weapon.  This photo leads me to believe that he served in a helicopter unit, further reinforced by another photo on your squadron's website of a helicopter unit group photo.  I'm guessing this is the unit Maj1Shot is serving in.  Looking at the casualty reports, the only casualties were those soldiers serving in infantry or special forces units.  There aren't any reported casualties among any aviation unit for any of the services in January or in December for that matter.

There is also the name.  None of the soldiers that were killed in January were named "Jesse" but that could have been his nickname.

Things just don't add up.  Again, I do apologize for this post but it just doesn't feel right.  I hope I am wrong.  I also don't think RATTFINK or anyone else his squadron is trying to pull a fast one on us, but someone close to them is.


ack-ack





I hope this is not what is really happening to myself and my squad being lied to because this would not be a smart thing to do.  Death is not a joking matter & I thank you for your concerns Fester & Ack-Ack.

I take it as truth until Cigarman & or 89Bucky03 tell me otherwise.  Both of them came on my website to tell me the news & being the humble man that I am, I posted about it to honor a fallen brother.

I can only wish that he was not killed, everyone in my squad as well as the AH community would hope that one of us is alright.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: RATTFINK on January 18, 2008, 08:39:03 AM
A letter from Cigarman:



Quote

Rat,
 
 
I would not lie about something like that. Jesse and i had become really good friends after he joined my squad. His last name was Heskett. He even picked me up in his helicopter in Louisville when he was still in the states. His handle was Maj1shot after he quit Bucky's squad and came to mine. He was Major in the Air force in charge of 18 helicopters and their crews. They were in a special ops type deal where everything was kept secret. He could never tell me where he was in Iraq, and that he was either in Iraq, or Kuwait. His brother e-mailed me to tell me the bad news. Like I said, we had become good friends, and Jesse told his brother that if anything ever happened to him, contact me and let me know. I too, checked the website to see if Jesse was listed as deceased and saw that he wasn't. I wrote his brother Jeremy back and asked him about this, and he wrote this back :  
 
Terry,

I know his name is not going to be listed.  I don't know how much he told you about his job in Iraq.  He was over there as a part of the Air Force Command.  His job is totally kept secret and as to where he was and what he was doing was also kept secret.  I honestly don't know what his true job was.  After speaking with the Air Force they could not give me much info on to what he was doing just how he was killed.  They told me that they would post his information after "their" job was done.  I am sorry I don't have any more info than that to pass on.  

As for family I am the only family that is left.  And there is no reason to send anything just being his friend is all that mattered to him.  He always said that he wanted a small service, nothing special.  If you want to go visit him he won't have a stone at first not until things are "settled" is the way I understand it.  I can give you more info as I get it if you would like to have it.  I know they are sending a bunch of his things back and I may be able to get some info off of that.  By the way his full name is Jesse Galileo Husky-Heskett.

Thank you for being Jesse's friend,

Jeremy
 
Anyway, I was, and still am very tore up and upset about Jess's death. This is not a joke, and no matter what you think of me, I'm not that kind of guy that would even "kid" about my friends death.
 
Terry
(Cigarman)
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Getback on January 18, 2008, 08:48:32 AM
Very sorry to hear that.

My prayers to his family.
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Post by: SirLoin on January 18, 2008, 09:17:47 AM
At a loss for words..<<>>
Title: "Special Ops"? Who isnt these days
Post by: P0G0 on January 18, 2008, 09:24:15 AM
Its always the specials ops guys that get whacked.... didnt know the air force used helos... was around SAC & TAC bases when I was growing up... (air force brat). When I served in the Army from 80-84 all my permanent party stations was spent at army posts next door to air force bases and cant recall any A.F. helo squadrons, at least not any gunship/ attack type craft, maybe pilot rescue? But this was over twenty years ago, so my info is pretty outdated.
 Just another quick thought, once a "black ops" soldier is killed in the line of duty, is there is any valid reason the reporting of thier death should be withheld? I have no problems with the Department of Defense withholding the details of the mission they were tasked to accomplish.
    to all those who haved sacrificed and to those who will.
My opinions are my own and pass no judgement on the validity of Maj1shot's demise. Condolences to his friends & family if this is true. If not , oh well,  its just another internet story.

POGO
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: dtango on January 18, 2008, 11:03:54 AM
Losing any soldier in Iraq is a terrible toll.  All of them deserve our full honor.  There is no way we could ever repay the debt we owe.

The USAF units I know of flying helos are in the Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC) and they fly mainly the MH-53J Pave Low's, and some UH-1's and HH-60G's.
http://www2.afsoc.af.mil/library/

This story is getting troublesome for me.  No offense at all RATTFINK and my apologies for saying so.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Fencer51 on January 18, 2008, 11:18:35 AM
This is the same brother that according to their squadron website screwed with Maj1shot's account and his squadron membership as a joke.

In this day and age, the Military would have to be really stupid to try and hide US casualties.  The slightest hint of such "secret" operations would send a pack of "journalists" off in a frenzy to track down what was going on and bring down a crap storm in the media.

I hope that he is alive and well wherever he is at doing his duty, and this is a sick joke by an outsider to this community.

HTC needs to add another BBS rule that states no "death" reports should be posted here without links to obituaries or other documentation.  Such false posts are a reminder of loss and hurtful to those who have lost loved ones under similar circumstances.  While the community deserves to know of losses of our friends we should be protected from those sick people who think that a false death report is funny.

In no way do I think that Rattfink is at fault here.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: hubsonfire on January 18, 2008, 12:19:24 PM
SF soldiers are simply erased when KIA?  I'm having a really hard time with this. Again, something that's completely off the official records, doesn't appear in the news or any documentation, but is distributed to gaming forums exclusively by grieving friends and family members? It strikes me as rather odd.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: BiPoLaR on January 18, 2008, 12:33:57 PM
I just cant seem to believe this. Sorry.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: VonMessa on January 18, 2008, 12:38:44 PM
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Originally posted by Fencer51
This is the same brother that according to their squadron website screwed with Maj1shot's account and his squadron membership as a joke.

In this day and age, the Military would have to be really stupid to try and hide US casualties.  The slightest hint of such "secret" operations would send a pack of "journalists" off in a frenzy to track down what was going on and bring down a crap storm in the media.

I hope that he is alive and well wherever he is at doing his duty, and this is a sick joke by an outsider to this community.

HTC needs to add another BBS rule that states no "death" reports should be posted here without links to obituaries or other documentation.  Such false posts are a reminder of loss and hurtful to those who have lost loved ones under similar circumstances.  While the community deserves to know of losses of our friends we should be protected from those sick people who think that a false death report is funny.

In no way do I think that Rattfink is at fault here.



Agreed.  The press would have a field day.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 18, 2008, 12:47:13 PM
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
SF soldiers are simply erased when KIA?  I'm having a really hard time with this. Again, something that's completely off the official records, doesn't appear in the news or any documentation, but is distributed to gaming forums exclusively by grieving friends and family members? It strikes me as rather odd.



All US casualties are reported on the Global Security.org (http://www.globalsecurity.org) site.  I don't buy the "he was in special ops" so his name isn't listed.  If you look at the casualty list, the names of those special forces members that have died are listed.  Some are vague on details on how they died but the names are listed.

Again, not saying that RATTFINK or Cigarman is trying to pull a hoax on us but someone that is close to them or Maj1Shot is.  Usually don't have to look further than the little brother.


ack-ack
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Stang on January 18, 2008, 12:52:53 PM
Why do these always turn out this way?
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: 2bighorn on January 18, 2008, 12:52:57 PM
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Originally posted by Fencer51
HTC needs to add another BBS rule that states no "death" reports should be posted here without links to obituaries or other documentation.  Such false posts are a reminder of loss and hurtful to those who have lost loved ones under similar circumstances.  While the community deserves to know of losses of our friends we should be protected from those sick people who think that a false death report is funny.
Couldn't agree more...
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Yeager on January 18, 2008, 01:19:06 PM
This community should insist that any post passing along news of a death  be accompanied by a verifiable link to an obituary or news report.  

Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Bucky73 on January 18, 2008, 02:36:01 PM
I would really hope that someone would not make up a story like this. Making up stories from something as serious as the Iraq/Afghan war is completely out of line and if it proves not to be true then those who did this need an *** whoopin.

I've got 17 years in the military and counting and one thing I can't stand is some moron using our armed forces as a punchline. I also don't tolerate anyone who embellish's their service to get a pat on the back that they don't deserve and didn't earn. (not that this is the case here)

I'll throw out a big to ALL of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country and definately to Jesse if this story is true but if it isn't......God help you.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: FTDEEP on January 18, 2008, 02:40:48 PM
BIG =S= Maj1
may the angels be with you where ever you are...
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: 53gunner on January 18, 2008, 10:03:14 PM
Well as far as the AF SOF stuff there is the STS guys (PJ's, Tac-P, combat controllers, etc) and there are the helo guys 6th SOS, the PAVE LOW guys (I was a gunner on those (53's) and the 60s, although they are technically rescue. Also there are the gunship guys - AC-130's. Actually they have predators now too.
I guarantee you if he was a AF SOF guy you could find out by going to http://www.mh-53pavelow.com . The only caveat to that is no news till next of kin is notified. We are a real small community and word travels fast.
Top it off that in the pic he was sitting on an apache. No one in the AF flys those. Also notice the velcro on the pockets thats a 2 piece army flight suit. Some guys in the AF wear em but its not the usual thing. Lastly it looks like the M4 he has doesnt have a SOPMOD kit on it, at least not the front RIS. Pretty much all the SOF guys have that because if you done have a laser to aim with on NVG's all your doing is spraying rounds downrange. most missions are conducted at night after all.
Im not saying that it didnt happen.. but when they threw in the "he's AF SOF, and its hush hush" that kinda made me think twice.  
BTW there are things that are black ops and you will never know about them but when someone dies they still get the word out he was KIA they just dont give details.
Sorry to be a downer just my thoughts on this
Glenn
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 19, 2008, 12:18:37 AM
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Originally posted by 53gunner
Well as far as the AF SOF stuff there is the STS guys (PJ's, Tac-P, combat controllers, etc) and there are the helo guys 6th SOS, the PAVE LOW guys (I was a gunner on those (53's) and the 60s, although they are technically rescue. Also there are the gunship guys - AC-130's. Actually they have predators now too.
I guarantee you if he was a AF SOF guy you could find out by going to http://www.mh-53pavelow.com . The only caveat to that is no news till next of kin is notified. We are a real small community and word travels fast.
Top it off that in the pic he was sitting on an apache. No one in the AF flys those. Also notice the velcro on the pockets thats a 2 piece army flight suit. Some guys in the AF wear em but its not the usual thing. Lastly it looks like the M4 he has doesnt have a SOPMOD kit on it, at least not the front RIS. Pretty much all the SOF guys have that because if you done have a laser to aim with on NVG's all your doing is spraying rounds downrange. most missions are conducted at night after all.
Im not saying that it didnt happen.. but when they threw in the "he's AF SOF, and its hush hush" that kinda made me think twice.  
BTW there are things that are black ops and you will never know about them but when someone dies they still get the word out he was KIA they just dont give details.
Sorry to be a downer just my thoughts on this
Glenn


There was another photograph that showed what appeared to be a unit photograph of a helicopter unit.  The helicopters appeared to be CH-53s with the long refueling probes extending past the nose and the unit crest did appear to look like this:

(http://www.mh-53pavelow.com/images/history/31sos.gif)

Though not entirely sure if it is the same unit crest shown in the unit photograph.  The unit crest in the photograph was just the profile of the knight chess piece without the unit name or number and according to the unit history, this particular unit was demobilized in 2001.   Unfortunately though, it does appear that the unit photograph is no longer on The Checkered Demon's website, only the photograph of Maj1Shot sitting on the Apache.


ack-ack
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: 53gunner on January 19, 2008, 08:58:19 AM
Yeah that patch was the 31st SOS they were out of osan Korea. They shut down in 01 as the PAVELOWS are being phased out. The 20th is slated to go in Oct if I remember correctly. From there everyone went to the 20th, 21st, and the 551st.
As for the CH53 pic, I didnt see it but the AF flys MH53M's. The CH is a navy / marine bird. look at the front its the easiest way to tell. FLIR ball, the "step" on the front part and the fuel probe. There are other ways but thats the easiest.
Glenn
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Fencer51 on January 19, 2008, 10:37:48 AM
The 101st AB is currently at least partially deployed over there and they of course are amply supplied with Helicopters.  Most likely he is with them from the "Louisville" comment above.
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: evenhaim on January 19, 2008, 12:31:23 PM
wow yet another "death" , this is so sad, to falsify a death for what attention that just burns me to my core....:(
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: Old Sport on January 19, 2008, 01:59:37 PM
The photo shows clearly stenciled on the fuselage in black "US Army..." and gives the serial number, so presumably an industrious type could trace the deployment of this helo. Might not disprove anything, but then again...
Title: Maj1shot/CO1147 was K.I.A. Jan 1 in Iraq
Post by: MORAY37 on January 19, 2008, 03:35:29 PM
I agree. (If I'm incorrect, my sincere condolences.)  This seems to be yet another in a long line of "weird death" posts.

The Army does it's own black ops insertions and have done so for 25 years.  The Air Force only operates small numbers of helos, and almost exclusively for "utility" purposes.  A small number of helos are held back for SAR duty.

If the gentleman in question was truly "black ops", I'm not too sure that pictures of him on any military installation would be posted....since apparently his name cannot be?

The government is still required to post his name and date of casualty. It seems whoever started this post watched too many movies.

This story is sad, whichever side of the aisle the truth is found.