Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on October 28, 2018, 04:45:45 PM
Title: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: Brooke on October 28, 2018, 04:45:45 PM
Please rate Pantelleria.
If you played in it, please rate this scenario by giving it a number in the range of -5 (absolutely hated it), to 0 (could take it or leave it), to +5 (absolutely loved it).
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: Ciaphas on October 28, 2018, 04:48:25 PM
+5 for the one frame I flew in
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Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: Vudu15 on October 28, 2018, 05:05:45 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: FBDragon on October 28, 2018, 07:48:50 PM
Well I give it a 5+++!!! My pc died the day of the event so I had to use my old backup laptop, I was still setting up my joystick and throttle right in the middle of frame one while I was flying. I was playing with a major dissadvantage the entire scenario and I still had a blast!!! Hats off to everyone!!! I'll have my new pc for the next one. Watch out allied :devil :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :salute :salute :salute
From your :old: :joystick: :airplane: !!!!!
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: 1ijac on October 29, 2018, 12:56:50 AM
I'll continue to say this is an ignorant way to "rate" a scenario. Youre not gaining Any actual data and youre not learning anything from it. Even if points are brought up they are brushed off or excuses are made. Some are explainable, others should be unacceptable.
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Thank you for your input.
+5 I had a great time Brooke. Many thanks to the scenario team and the Allied and Axis staff for stepping up and to all who participated.
:salute One-eye
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: TWCAxew on October 29, 2018, 09:34:18 AM
+3
I liked this one much better than the last one. I did like the air spawns on the big map. I also liked that there was fight for control of Pantelleria itself, I would also have enjoyed it if there was a condition so the AXIS could take back the island.
What i would have loved to see was: Attack aircraft A 3th objective to hit. Even if it would have been low rewarding or even a huge rewarding target. For example AXIS hit A3 for dubbel points or Allied hit A28 for dubbel points. I felt the strategic depth options where lacking a bit. These would have been very easy to defend bases. (by HTC) That there would be a event calendar ingame and the upcoming events would be promoted on the Home page with video's and an announcement where we now see the patch notes and the old vid of "wildcats are coming"
Misses: While i loved the clouds, multiple people experienced the "personal cloud". The best description of this is that you are flying some where and your screen turns cloud gray while the people around you did not seem to be affected by it. We have flew with Brookes settings before and this did not happen before. Frame 2 was the worst it happend to me 4 times. This should be fixed for the upcoming scenario since it led to some frustration during fights.
I can probably think of more things but i really enjoyed the scenario overall.
DutchVII
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: 1Canukk on October 29, 2018, 11:24:30 AM
for myself as a walk on for 3 frames " Axis " had a blast , there will always be should of , could of but all in all well done to those who ran it ..so +5 :salute
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: DaddyAce on October 29, 2018, 02:27:58 PM
Loved it! But I have to admit I am easy to please in scenarios. I enjoy the incentive to learn a ride better, and the camaraderie of teaming up with AH players outside my usual AH3 experience. I find scenarios immersive and with a more historical feel than MA. Experienced both sides of the windshield on this one, and still very much enjoyed all 4 frames! Overall very well done by the crew that did the heavy lifting to make this happen, thank you! :salute
+5
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: asterix on October 30, 2018, 02:08:53 PM
Difficult to rate this scenario because I believe Axis low turnout in first two frames influenced the whole event and Axis strategy a lot. I found something very enjoyable in every frame. I would definitely give something positive. Liked flying the C202, did not need kills to have fun.
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: AKKuya on October 30, 2018, 07:38:36 PM
+4.9 and a 1/3. I like to be accurate. :grin:
Overall, it was a simple setup that facilitated quick action and possibility of any side getting the upper hand.
:salute
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: Spikes on October 30, 2018, 07:58:58 PM
0
Pros: 190A5. 3 lives helps net more kills.
Cons: Too many targets for the amount of players and the fact that both sides must attack and defend. It makes it end up being an all-or-nothing approach for the battle plan which is not good. Similar to the Kuban scenario, it played into the hands of "NOE attacks all the time" for the Allies, where they don't have to actually both escorting because the bombers are good enough to be on their own, and the opposition doesn't have enough players to both mount an attack and defend. I counted only one or two sorties in my 3 frames where the Allied bombers actually went in at alt and used escort. Clouds were absolutely horrible. Way too dense and they were at all sorts of altitudes...something that doesn't really happen IRL. If the clouds functioned normally it might not have been such a big deal, but rather they function as a box, and even if you're on the edge of the box you can't see a damn thing.
I agree that this method does not really provide an accurate value of rating.
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: perdue3 on October 30, 2018, 08:40:15 PM
I had a very good time in this event, even though I missed Frame 1 (Oktoberfest). The 190's, as a whole, had a very good event and a great time. As Spikes and Dragon have already mentioned, it was a lot of fun being in a butcher bird this month. The fighter action was very good as well. It felt balanced, maybe even in favor of the Axis. I feel that the advantage fell to the Axis slightly because of the inter-squadron communication and fluidity of our fighting. Also, the Axis were blessed with some very good pilots and, of course, FW 190's. However, this slight advantage was negated by the bomber match up and the difficulties of killing B-26's. This leads me into the negatives.
Again, I think there were too many options with too few players. There were a total of four target areas, not targets, for roughly 65 people. Three of these areas were 25 mi. x 25 mi. with a less than generous warning range (base flash). This made defending AND escorting an extremely difficult task. You either cannot field enough escorts or cannot field enough defenders. Because of this, attacking the wide area with NOE bombers is the most effective plan. The Axis were aware of this, as were the Allies. We chose not to defend because we wanted to dominate the fighters, which we did with relative ease. Luckily, the plan was designed for fun rather than success. Lastly, I feel that Pass/Fail scoring is faulty. Escorts should be rewarded for doing a good job by scoring points (i.e. bombers get a lot of points because of easy drops) and defenders should be rewarded for doing a good job (i.e. bombers do not gain many points because they did not destroy many targets). I would prefer a points per target style scoring to a Pass/Fail scoring; this is specific to bombers, obviously.
-1
:salute
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: LNG15 on October 31, 2018, 05:37:41 AM
I would give the scenario a 3.5 out of 5. It was a good event, however the clouds caused to many issues especially the personal ones. It was not bad overall but the clouds are what killed it, and the alt cap could of been at least higher at about 25K. But it was fun though nevertheless.
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: waystin2 on October 31, 2018, 10:31:52 AM
Hard to score it because I enjoy every one. Call me a knuckle head I could be on the losing side and still have a good time.
Only feedback I have is on the alt cap:
-The alt cap should be raised for all plane types or eliminated. The current setup keeps both top Axis fighters more or less faster at all altitudes. Raising it would at least give the Spit 9 and 38G some Parity. There is a reason the Axis dominated the Allied fighters with "ease", not because of the quality of pilots it's the performance zones of the planes. I will not take anything away from the Axis team, they did great. <S>
See you all up there for the next one.
Way
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: Popsman on October 31, 2018, 12:51:16 PM
Definitely a +5 Thanks Brooke. I had a lot of fun, and can't wait until the next scenario. :x
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: Devil 505 on October 31, 2018, 01:05:00 PM
Sorry, Way, but I disagree. The 24K alt cap was at the same altitude where the four main fighters have the most equal speed. So all the top fighters start on a close to equal footing as far as speed is concerned. The Spit is has the best climb rate at 24K and also handles best too. The P-38's also handle better at 24K over the 109's and 190. Those advantages would only become greater with a higher alt cap. At least at 24K, the opening stages of a fight are determined mostly by the pilots, not the planes.
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: AKKuya on October 31, 2018, 03:28:24 PM
The alt cap issue only applies to the first 30 seconds of initial merging of opposing forces. After that, comes the initial outcome. Furball on the deck.
On rare occasions, the initial merge can be kept at high altitude. That relies on which specific aircraft flown by specific pilots with specific tactical agendas.
The fluidity of combat.
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: FLOOB on November 02, 2018, 12:28:04 AM
2
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: APDrone on November 02, 2018, 06:13:20 PM
Cons: Too many targets for the amount of players and the fact that both sides must attack and defend. It makes it end up being an all-or-nothing approach for the battle plan which is not good. Similar to the Kuban scenario, it played into the hands of "NOE attacks all the time" for the Allies, where they don't have to actually both escorting because the bombers are good enough to be on their own, and the opposition doesn't have enough players to both mount an attack and defend. I counted only one or two sorties in my 3 frames where the Allied bombers actually went in at alt and used escort. Clouds were absolutely horrible. Way too dense and they were at all sorts of altitudes...something that doesn't really happen IRL. If the clouds functioned normally it might not have been such a big deal, but rather they function as a box, and even if you're on the edge of the box you can't see a damn thing.
I agree that this method does not really provide an accurate value of rating.
I have to chime in on this observation. The B26s can do pretty good with minimal escort. The B25s, however, are dead meat if they are found without escorts. We proved that a few times.
Personally, I despise NOE missions in scenarios, and we didn't do them the first 2 frames, for the most part. Primarily because we were attacking ground targets. Vs shipping, however, it was easy enough to take out the CA and CV from 15k.. but the destroyers.. no so much. We had to drop NOE to get to them.. often having to finish them off strafing. Since our only bombable targets were ships the final 2 frames, we were kinda limited in our options.
This scenario is tough for me to rank.. I'd probably say 3 or less. I am very close to recommending that the B25C, in it's current, defenseless, state not be used in future scenarios unless is is mandated to have close escort protection. It's not fun sitting there getting hammered by 109s and 190s with no way to defend yourself. ( yes, it has an upper turret, but seems that everybody attacking my ships knew where it covered and they did a good job avoiding the arc of fire ). Also the B25 drones are way to unresponsive to evasive maneuvers.. makes the frustration all the more.
I can strongly recommend to never have fleets being the only targets for these bombers.
Fortunately, I was blessed with very tolerant buff drivers for this event. Without them, .. well, let's just leave it as I wouldn't be a very happy camper.
:salute
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: KCDitto on November 02, 2018, 06:32:30 PM
Try doing that in JU-88
2 P-38s wiped out all of our ship attack
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: Devil 505 on November 02, 2018, 07:37:09 PM
I have to chime in on this observation. The B26s can do pretty good with minimal escort. The B25s, however, are dead meat if they are found without escorts. We proved that a few times.
Personally, I despise NOE missions in scenarios, and we didn't do them the first 2 frames, for the most part. Primarily because we were attacking ground targets. Vs shipping, however, it was easy enough to take out the CA and CV from 15k.. but the destroyers.. no so much. We had to drop NOE to get to them.. often having to finish them off strafing. Since our only bombable targets were ships the final 2 frames, we were kinda limited in our options.
This scenario is tough for me to rank.. I'd probably say 3 or less. I am very close to recommending that the B25C, in it's current, defenseless, state not be used in future scenarios unless is is mandated to have close escort protection. It's not fun sitting there getting hammered by 109s and 190s with no way to defend yourself. ( yes, it has an upper turret, but seems that everybody attacking my ships knew where it covered and they did a good job avoiding the arc of fire ). Also the B25 drones are way to unresponsive to evasive maneuvers.. makes the frustration all the more.
I can strongly recommend to never have fleets being the only targets for these bombers.
Fortunately, I was blessed with very tolerant buff drivers for this event. Without them, .. well, let's just leave it as I wouldn't be a very happy camper.
:salute
Fly a Betty, He 111, or Ju 88 in an event and you'll be begging to get back to flying B-25C's.
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: APDrone on November 02, 2018, 07:56:20 PM
LOL.. They suck, too. Not saying they don't.
But the 25C is basically a two engine Kate, with formations, as far as I'm concerned.
And I think I've gotten kills with JU-88s in scenarios.
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: KCDitto on November 02, 2018, 08:29:56 PM
And I think I've gotten kills with JU-88s in scenarios.
in BOB vs SPIT I and Hurri Is
That is why BOB is so popular especially with buff drivers
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: APDrone on November 02, 2018, 08:47:16 PM
From the Kuban scenario:
III/KG51 Edelweiss APDrone 14:38:16 Departed from Field #65 in a Ju 88A-4 15:21:11 Destroyed a vehicle hangar at base #111 15:21:11 Destroyed a field gun at base #111 15:22:33 Shot down a P-39Q flown by CorkyJr. 15:25:20 Destroyed a town building at base #04
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: Brooke on November 04, 2018, 09:31:55 PM
I fly Ju 88's lots in scenarios (Husky, Tunisia, MM, BoB, Southern Conquest) and He 111's (BoB, The Hardest Day).
I like them just fine, and I've done well enough in them. Sometimes even had to fight my way out of situations in them. One good example of that:
The B-25C, though, is in a worse position than the Ju 88 because it has no tail or ventral gun.
The B5N is yet less survivable. I've flown those a lot in scenarios and done OK -- the thing being to get to target without getting attacked first. But I rarely survived in them back to base.
Anyway, I would much rather have the B-25J for scenarios.
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: KCDitto on November 04, 2018, 09:49:14 PM
I remember that
It was EPIC!
Got a safe landing while on FIRE!
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: KillyJim on November 06, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
reposting again, because my first post not visible for some reason.
+5, ideal map size for team sizes. very enjoyable for bombers and lots of action. it felt like a real battle with progression. Thanks!
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: TheKenzer on November 16, 2018, 03:10:50 PM
I would rate it a 5.
Title: Re: Please rate the Pantelleria scenario
Post by: bangsbox on November 19, 2018, 10:41:21 AM