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Help and Support Forums => All things VR => Topic started by: Clueso on July 31, 2021, 07:17:38 PM
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I messed up my options by installing AH in Oculus. I have a long running AH subscription that I don't really want to close. I didn't realize that I needed to start AH with the computer and choose run Oculus. Now my subscription is up and Oculus wants to get paid. What is the best way to move forward. Thanks for any ideas.
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cancel it, start oculus then start the old AH3 game on your computer. It will ask you if you want to run oculus and click yes. Should load your original account.
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Currently if I start Aces high from the normal desktop it doesn't ask me if I want to run oculus. I put the oculus head set on and click on library then AH. It tries to load a faded out AHII. I have tried uninstalling from Oculus and deleting AH from the software folder in Oculus on the hard drive but then I can't use Oculus to run AH. I've reinstalled it and now this is where I am.
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make sure you're running DX11 and not DX9 if you're using VR
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Thanks running dx 12
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I mean the aces high dx11 executable file
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When I look at the Oculus library the nice looking AH front page is there and then it starts loading a really faded looking AH11 that says it's an unknown app.
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When I look at the Oculus library the nice looking AH front page is there and then it starts loading a really faded looking AH11 that says it's an unknown app.
First, right click the icon you use to start AH, select properties and be sure it lists "aceshigh11.exe" as the executable file, there is an "aceshigh9.exe" that you dont want to use for VR.
If that is good double click on the "oculus" icon to start that. Dont put your headset on yet. Once that is loaded and you have the "Please buy these games!" page up :rolleyes: or the Oculus Home screen as they call it, double click on the AH icon to start that one. It will load the first splash screen and a small popup window will ask if you want to use your oculus, click yes and you should be good to go.
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I get a "you have a pending hardware issue that is preventing you from entering VR. Please check that your headset and sensor are connected." options to close or device settings. In settings I see my headset and controllers. So I uninstalled the Pretty AH in the library and left the faded AH11. Same result. I checked the properties and the proper AH is lined up to start.
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Tried to start it again and the faded AH11 has the spinning circle of time...
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So I closed down Oculus and there was the question do you want to use VR. Started the process over from scratch this time minusing Oculus and it started. I seems repeatable. Now if I can just get Oculus to remember the stick settings. Dang what a wrestling match.
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Look in your settings folder. VR AH has different files for the same controllers. I.E. CHfighterstick.cfg vs VRCHfighterstick.cfg. Back up you entire settings folder as insurance, then copy your plain controller .cfg file, and rename it with the VR prefix. That will save a lot of time.
You might also look for an Oculus version of the same settings folder if you've made changes you want to save.
All the .cfg files can be read in Notepad.
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Take Oculus out of the loop insofar as starting the game. You don't need to do that thru Oculus but it has to be running first to play in VR. AH DX11 version is aware you have an Oculus or Steam headset. Make a shortcut to the desktop for the DX11 version. Oculus running but headset off, double click the AH DX11 shortcut. You'll get the pop-up asking if you want to use your Oculus headset. Click yes to play in VR or no to play on the desktop.
FWIW I have AH in Oculus library and have no problem starting it there other than I'll have to lift the headset to deal with the dialog box. Without doing that it's gonna act like it's frozen in the headset. Reason being is waiting on you to react to the dialog box on your monitor.
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Yeah I peak under and click yes. It works.
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So issue resolved?
HOPE SO!!!!!! Dale, has set up AH, with BAR NONE, best integration of VR, into a Flight Sm.!!! Hat switch Views are supported!!! Would hate to see you suffer and not Experience what I do, in VR!!!
I click on Desk Top Icon, for Voice Attack-as Administrator....The Oculus Icon...NEXT AH Icon(all on Desktop shortcuts)...THEN put on Head Set! Center View..and click YES..at use your Vr headset...NO ISSUES. Going through Steam was a Pain..far worse than the Oculus Library...but BOTH are not needed! As Multiple Brothers have mentioned!
I love my AcesHigh...and it feels like cheating against NON VR USERS...Bless their hearts! All you need to see, is the DCS Community, VEHEMEATHLY AGAINST allowing TIR or Hat Switch Views, in conjunction with VR! Eh, talk about "Got it made"? All VR users ask for is, the same playing field as Hat Switch/Non TIR users have access too?! PROOF in MY EYEs...VR IS BOSS!!!! Dale, says, "Hold My Scotch"!
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There's a guy over on the IL-2 forums that has developed a mod aptly called NeckSafer. It works for IL-2 and DCS. Needs SteamVR to work. The goal is to be able to increase the rate of change as with TIR in your VR headset so you're not breaking your neck trying to check your 6. The vast majority of players there are using TIR so none of this is a problem for them. I tried suggesting simply allowing the hat views back when I started messing with IL-2 and was mercilessly pounded by the "reality" crowd. But VR at 1:1 seated in a flight sim is just about painful after a while. Checking your 6 is almost impossible at best. This guy fixed that, much to their chagrin. Now looking around in VR is much easier and the playing field is a bit more level because of it.
His earlier versions worked great in IL-2 and needed a little tweaking for DCS. He keeps improving it. The latest version is a beta that actually uses curves to adjust like TIR. Earlier versions you had to put in values where if you moved this many degrees it'd move that many degrees as you like. You can use the hat switches as well assigning ammount of travel as you like. I haven't tried the beta myself but it sounds great. It only works in the horizontal plane tho. Not in the vertical, so that plane is still 1:1. Says he could do it but it's apparently a limitation of SteamVR. He's working on it tho. This isn't for AH, BTW.
Link:
https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/67985-simple-tool-to-check-your-six/
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That's their loss..they allow mods/hacks like this but don't want to code hat views into their "game" in the name of "realism"
Very pretty games, too bad game play isn't on the same level as the graphics
Eagler
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This isn't so much a mod of the game itself as it is to SteamVR. If it were a direct mod of the game, in almost all of the servers it wouldn't be allowed. If you're using mods there's a big red warning when you start the game telling you to turn them off before playing online. Oh you can still play online with them, it's just the servers that allow them are few and generally unpopulated.
Some of the mods I'd used were actually so well done they incorporated them into the game. One was a guy created 4k cockpit art for every plane including everything from buttons on the upholstery to the instruments. Man that one was like eyesight to the blind. One of the ones I use now (offline only) that gives far superior clouds than the game does, I think is about to be another one. They've announced an update to the clouds and I've seen no traffic in the thread about that mod in months so I'm just assuming here.
Some mods aren't really "mods" that CAN be used and are really handy. All the planes can have a girlie pic displayed on the instrument panel. Somebody created an image pack to swap those out that has notes for the engine settings for each plane. With the extra engine management you have to do this is great when you're switching from plane to plane as they're all different.
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That's their loss..they allow mods/hacks like this but don't want to code hat views into their "game" in the name of "realism"
Very pretty games, too bad game play isn't on the same level as the graphics
Eagler
I feel ya!!! It IS a Start, is it not? Either way DCS,Nor IL-2, can NEVER :rofl CLAIM SIM AUTHORITY...as far as TOTAL IMERSSION! Dont have Hat Views...can use TIR Views "GAME THE GAME(as Drano has observed) CURVES"....Whats the difference? Can use View Commands, if you dont use TIR, you can "Scale" view curves, if you do... and Mimics" same control mappings, as using HAT VIEWS? FU!VR is an advantage..but if you can use TIR Scaling.. why not have an AH like Hat Switch Integration? Not to mention the # of players supported on HT's Server...SUPPORTS WAY MORE Players, in comparison to DCS's/IL-2' Servers :uhoh I wish I could let EVERY ONE, experience ACESHIGH like I SEE/PLAY it!!! HANDS DOWN #1
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I am still having problems. I think it's the order I originally set this up. I know just enough about computers to be dangerous. I installed oculus software. If I start the oculus software I'm taken to kind of a waiting room. Originally I searched for found and installed Aces High thinking I would just run it from there. Wrong. I've an account that's ran continuously for 15 years. Then the trial period ran out and they wanted a credit card to keep going. I already pay. So I uninstalled the app and marked it hidden. Then I worked around trying find the sweet spot to get AH to start and ask if I want VR. (It did that in the beginning, but I was to dumb to know that was it.) Now I start oculus and it takes me to a waiting room kind of a place. I have to peak under and click on a "do you want to run Oculus" button (kind of a see through screen). It's not anything like what you guys describe. So now I'm wondering if I should bag this Oculus and sign up for Steam. I tried to fly today for about 3 hours and it keeps forgetting stick settings and all that. I think it's just the screwy way I have to load it. If someone had some time to walk me through it maybe I could get somewhere. I'm willing and I want too, but it's a steep mountain.
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So today's problems were constantly having to remap the controls and I never could get the rudder to work. I can see it working on the screen because I've checked see controls, but the rudder doesn't move. This time I loaded AH with the mouse by looking at the desktop through the goggles and clicking on AH and yes to use VR.
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So today's problems were constantly having to remap the controls and I never could get the rudder to work. I can see it working on the screen because I've checked see controls, but the rudder doesn't move. This time I loaded AH with the mouse by looking at the desktop through the goggles and clicking on AH and yes to use VR.
There are two sets of controls, VR and NON VR. They are completely separate.
If you setup controls with out the head set on you are setting up NON-VR controls. You must setup the controls with the headset on to set up VR controls.
A work around I did was set up everything with out the VR. Once saved.... and save often.... you will have files in the settings folder like "joystickhotaswarthog.jsm" and "chprothrottle.jsm". Copy and paste these files, rename them "VR_joystickhotaswarthog.jsm" and drop them into the same settings folder. (just add VR_ to the front of each controller file you have)
I created a desktop icon for the DX11 version of the game. I double click this icon it opens a white square with a small popup window in the center that say "do you want to start VR?". I click yes and it starts oculus and then the game. At this point I can click through the buttons on a smaller version of the game screen to login, and select my arena. I then put my headset on , fly and die often. I can get screen shots for you tomorrow if you think that will help.
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Saving stick settings should help. When I start AH11 it doesn't do for me what it does for you. It just starts AH as normal. That's where the trouble starts. I have to start Oculus to get the white window with do you want to us VR. I installed steam just now to see what that looked like. Then I tried AH again in VR and it worked, but not the normal way you guys do it. I started it from the VR goggles looking at my desktop. I didn't even know I could do that. It remembered most of the settings so I only had to tweak 3 buttons. I'm going to try it again right now just for the heck of it.
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Going to desktop seems to work today. I've done it twice. If it continues I might be able to work it. It seems day to day it acts different. I hope to get a system. Certainly awesome when it does work.
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Saving stick settings should help. When I start AH11 it doesn't do for me what it does for you. It just starts AH as normal. That's where the trouble starts. I have to start Oculus to get the white window with do you want to us VR. I installed steam just now to see what that looked like. Then I tried AH again in VR and it worked, but not the normal way you guys do it. I started it from the VR goggles looking at my desktop. I didn't even know I could do that. It remembered most of the settings so I only had to tweak 3 buttons. I'm going to try it again right now just for the heck of it.
Are you sure the icon you click to start really does point to the aceshigh11.exe file? Right click the icon and select properties to see the target file
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Saving stick settings should help. When I start AH11 it doesn't do for me what it does for you. It just starts AH as normal. That's where the trouble starts. I have to start Oculus to get the white window with do you want to us VR. I installed steam just now to see what that looked like. Then I tried AH again in VR and it worked, but not the normal way you guys do it. I started it from the VR goggles looking at my desktop. I didn't even know I could do that. It remembered most of the settings so I only had to tweak 3 buttons. I'm going to try it again right now just for the heck of it.
If your Oculus is plugged in when you start Aceshigh11.exe you should get a dialog box asking if you want to use Oculus. If you don't see that then check the properties on your shortcut as Fugi suggested.
To run the regular install of AH from Oculus go to settings and make sure 'run from unknown sources' is enabled, (but you don't need to run from Oculus. It's just an option)
You need to be in VR when you set up your controls for VR.
If your rudder doesn't work check if you assigned rudder trim by mistake instead of yaw.
Let us know if you still have issues.
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Going to desktop seems to work today. I've done it twice. If it continues I might be able to work it. It seems day to day it acts different. I hope to get a system. Certainly awesome when it does work.
Simply call me 817-431-8840 I'm sure in a minute or 2 we can find out he step you are missing.
Dale
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My son runs AH via his Oculus Quest with no issues. You do need a Steam account - with it up and running. This is what he does:
1. Start and log into STEAM. Ensure all steam components are updated (including Steam VR)
2. Start the Oculus app.
3. Power on your Oculus headset
4. Start Aces High - when prompted, say yes.
5. Oculus will connect to Aces High through SteamVR.
6. Main menu will come up in the headset - you're in.
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I did get steam going. No idea what it does exactly, but I can now start AH and it's working. I'm very thankful to everyone that has patiently helped me. It's working properly with no weird wep on wep off and forgetting settings. YAY!!
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Glad to hear Clueso - Oculus uses SteamVR to connect Aces High VR framework - kind of a middleware to Oculus. It's also why you can use your Oculus to play Steam VR games! See you up in the skies!
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... Oculus uses SteamVR to connect Aces High VR framework - kind of a middleware to Oculus....
Steam VR and Oculus VR are two different VR systems. You can use either one with the Oculus.
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True. I have both installed. I run Oculus for AH (actually opencomposite VR) and SteamVR for IL-2. When I start AH it asks me if I want to run my Oculus headset first, if I select no it asks if I want to run my SteamVR headset. If I select no again it starts AH on the desktop.
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