Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyro on September 13, 2006, 09:28:15 AM
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Thanks to your patronage Aces High has grown to the point where a single Main Arena is no longer a sufficient solution. It is time for us to move beyond a single main arena. Today during the weekly terrain change, we will be revamping our arena structure with an entirely new model. We’ve looked forward to this point because instead of just simply offering more duplicate arenas, we’ve planned to use this opportunity to diversify our offerings by making different arenas based on different time periods. So instead of having a single arena with all planes available (which naturally emphasizes late war planes), we’ll have 3 different types of Main Arenas- early-war planes, mid-war planes, and late-war planes. This will give us far more diversity.
We hope that through further growth we can add even more diverse offerings such as more time periods and perhaps even time periods outside of WWII such as WWI or the Korean War. This format will also provide more impetus for us to try and comprehensively develop the plane and vehicle set with stuff that would otherwise get swallowed up by the late-war monsters and see little use outside of special events.
Multiple Mains may seem like an oxymoron, but in fact it isn’t. It’s not just a matter of semantics because they are all connected through the same scoring, squad, and perk point databases. If your squad decides to spend the night in the Early MA, they don’t need to reform the squad there because it already exists. There are no separate scores or perk points for these different arenas- it’s all shared. In that regard, these Main Arenas are all one in the same. It neither harms nor benefits your score or perk points to change which Main Arena you fly in from day to day. Perk points earned in one MA count towards the same total as in any of the other Mains. The only difference is what planes and vehicles qualify as a perk ride varies from arena to arena.
Being in this business a long time, we understand that people are creatures of habit and old habits die-hard. Going through any major change is uncomfortable until people become acclimated to the change. This change is especially difficult because we cannot simply add these new arenas; we need to redistribute how the arenas are populated. To accomplish that, we’re going to be reducing arena caps so as to not have one arena dominate just by virtue of everybody following the herd. We’ll also be using small terrains exclusively for now, but that is not a permanent change. Once we’re comfortable that people have acclimated to the new format, we’ll begin to work those elements back in.
With players spreading out, we are aware of the need for better tools to find and communicate with your buddies. We will be working on some new tools to handle this but for now that can be accomplished with the squadron message of the day. (MOTD). The squad MOTD will reach across all the Main Arena’s so the squad leader can be sure that everybody knows where to go on a given night.
Once again, thanks for your support. We hope you will find these changes refreshing. We’ve waited a long time to get here and we’re very excited about the many development directions this opens.
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:aok
I do have one question though... are the ENY values going to scale in each arena? It's one thing to make perks by flying a 40 ENY early war against N1K's, Ponies, & La7s. That makes great perks. However, if the arena is all ENY 5 vs ENY 5 or ENY 40 vs ENY 40, the ability to make perks is going to get curbed quite a bit.
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This will be interesting...
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This is gonna be pretty cool! Now, can we get a list of what planes/gvs will be in each area?
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Each arena will have its own set of ENY values. Because of there's going to be a big change in the matchups and how planes are utilized from arena to arena, we've got some new ENY values roughed in and will adjust accordingly as soon as usage patterns emerge for each arena.
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SWEET !!!!
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To clarify:
1) Will early war planes even be available in the mid and late war arenas, for perk farming purposes?
2) Will planes from later time frames be available in earlier arenas as perk planes, or will perk planes only exist in the appropriate (and mostly late war) arena?
3) Is ther concern that this change limiting planesets may hurt the AvA?
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Hrm.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but this means no more C202 vs P51s in FT, right?
No more flying early war planes against late war planes, you'll only see early war vs early war.
Mind you from the other side it looks good (less early war planes ganged by late war) but there was a minority that liked mixing it up in "sub-par".
Having said that, this will be interesting for sure.
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the question I have for now is about the maps used.
you mention only small maps will be used, am I correct in guessing it will be:
BALTIC
MINDANAO
SFMA
NDISLES
are there any other small maps to use or in production?
would it be beneficial to work on a small (256x256) map for the MA
personally I stalled a bit on the MA map I was working on, it was a 512x512 map. it sounds as it would not be beneficial to continue work.
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I was wondering when you guys would take it to the next level.
I am especially pleased to read this: "We hope that through further growth we can add even more diverse offerings such as more time periods and perhaps even time periods outside of WWII such as WWI or the Korean War. "
Looks like HTC is coming alive again.
WTG guys
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BTW:
When is going to start? :confused:
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Wow this should make life in AH2 vewwy interesting!
Looking forward to what hopefully amounts to a more enjoyable flying experience!!
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Any way to sneak a Typhoon into the early war arena? :D
Sounds like fun HTC. I'm game.
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2 weeks
Zing! :lol
Sketch read it again, he said today during terrain change.
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Will early war be available in the late war arena?
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Originally posted by Engine
Will early war be available in the late war arena?
No, they are not!
No more 109F vs Spit 16... :cry
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I don't like the idea , this is going to kill the flavour of massive multiplayer gaming:mad:
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aww nuts, no killing 205's with Dora.... well been building up to this, good move I think, hope it works out for all of us...
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I like the apporach but Pyro thisa is going to break up squads and put people in planes that dont want to fly. I fly the Hurricane IIC and now I cant fly aginst Late war or Mid war aircraft. SO now since my squad flys mid war to Late War aircraft I cant really fly my aircraft with them. ONe of the big things seen in all post is no body wants someone to say how we should fly and what we should fly. Now we are! In the long run this may help but I think this might get people to leave the game. The greatest thing about this game is learning an aircraft and matching it up against people who fly different aircraft from mid early or late war years.
I had to edits this after checking out the arena. I have to admit after looking at I see the concept. Do I like it not really. But it will even out the numbers. This is something that we asked for one way or another. People complaining about La-7 well if you dont want to deal with them go to a different arena. Less chance for overwhelming numbers and having to sit back and try to deal with it. As long as HiTech adds some newer aircraft to the different arenas I am all for it then. But we shall see how things work out.
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*waits in anticipation for the player base to rename the late war Arena "the Dweeb Arena" and castigate all who inhabit afore mentioned arena....*
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Pyro - good idea, and with the growth in numbers in the MA it was bound to happen. A single server can only handle so much traffic.
The ENY and perk points lists in each arena will be interesting to figure out. The "best perk farmer" list is about to change a bit I think.
EagleDNY
$.02
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The changes have been made and are in effect.
Planes can be available in more than one arena. Some planes are available in all 3 arenas. So far the examples that have been given in this thread are all things that you can find under the new format.
Can 202's fight P-51s? Yes.
Can 205's fight 190Ds? Yes.
Can Hurricane II's fight late war planes? Yes.
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ur kidding right?
why wouls ah2 try to be like someone else? (warbirds) i have been flying here since 1999 and the reason i stay here is because of ah2 is the best out there. why change that? dont be like all the other sims. remember who brung yas.................
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DadRabit: I assure you other sims did not even enter into our thought process in this change, unless you call Civilzation 4 a sim.
HiTech
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Originally posted by Mustaine
the question I have for now is about the maps used.
you mention only small maps will be used, am I correct in guessing it will be:
BALTIC
MINDANAO
SFMA
NDISLES
are there any other small maps to use or in production?
would it be beneficial to work on a small (256x256) map for the MA
personally I stalled a bit on the MA map I was working on, it was a 512x512 map. it sounds as it would not be beneficial to continue work.
For now, we'll be using those terrains plus FRAC3 exclusively. Once we're established, we do plan to put big terrains back into the picture. However, small terrains will be back in vogue and there will be a lot of demand for new small terrains. That will be nice just because there's less work involved, they're easier to balance, and more detail can be put into them if desired.
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The way I'm reading this;
The "Main Arena" is unchanged, full plane set. There are in addition to this, 2 new arena's, 1 where Early - Mid War planes can be flown and 1 where only Early War planes can be flown.
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Bad idea...will lose more players than it will gain. AH2 was a great game...I guess all good things come to an end. Why fix something that isn't broke?
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Originally posted by Pyro
perhaps even time periods outside of WWII such as the Korean War.
Freakin SWEET!!!!!!! :)
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I'd like to take this opportunity to register the first "perk it!" whine of the new format.
In the early war arena, with the 190A5 and P-38G perked, the spitV is set up as an absolutely dominant and free plane. Shouldn't it be perked with the 190 and p38?
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Originally posted by TinmanX
The way I'm reading this;
The "Main Arena" is unchanged, full plane set. There are in addition to this, 2 new arena's, 1 where Early - Mid War planes can be flown and 1 where only Early War planes can be flown.
No, right now we have not.
I just jumped through arenas
We have Early War, Mid War and Late War 1 & 2
We currently seem to have no Arena with all the planes enabled.
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Be right back. Gotta run down to the Rx for some antiacid and some Kaopectate.
:rofl
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can honestly say I never thought I would se the day the P38G would be perked...of course I never thought of this.
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Before the wheels really start turning, HTC has to finish CT. Afterwards Most of their resources will head to ideas from this thread and the wishlist. That is when they will start listening to requests such as, "Along with the new arenas, make a "Original" arena of the MA where all planes are enabled and settings are as they once were in the original MA."
So for now let's sit patiently until HTC get's it going and can start figuring things out, only then will they be able to supply specifics to questions and answers.:aok
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just given my 2 cents dale. i think ita a bad ideal sir.
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Originally posted by Lusche
No, right now we have not.
I just jumped through arenas
We have Early War, Mid War and Late War 1 & 2
We currently seem to have no Arena with all the planes enabled.
Thanks for the Info Lusche. I have no way of seeing the changes for myself for at least another 4 hours. :aok
I have to say though, my way sounds better. ;)
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Thanks for the Info Lusche. I have no way of seeing the changes for myself for at least another 4 hours. :aok
You guys who can see the arenas....are there any perk planes in the earlier arenas? Are they our current perk planes, are they nonperked later war planes, or what?
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Originally posted by Pyro
For now, we'll be using those terrains plus FRAC3 exclusively. Once we're established, we do plan to put big terrains back into the picture. However, small terrains will be back in vogue and there will be a lot of demand for new small terrains. That will be nice just because there's less work involved, they're easier to balance, and more detail can be put into them if desired.
thanks for the reply.
that actually makes me much more interested in revisiting the map I was working on. you are right it will be alot less work setting up a small map of bases :aok
<> HiTechCreations folks. good luck with the change, and shame on you making me want to put off bills even more and get back into flying :lol
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MAGNIFICENT! :aok
Back to small maps and reasonable numbers + appropriate matchups.
This will be interesting:
Will the JU87 actually be a fearsom attack plane?
Will the mosquito actually be a fast ride now?
Attack planes actually carrying more bombs that the common fighter?
Originally posted by TinmanX
*waits in anticipation for the player base to rename the late war Arena "the Dweeb Arena" and castigate all who inhabit afore mentioned arena....*
lol :D
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Great Move HTC! Smaller arenas will enhance game pay and there will always be someplace to find a fight. Keep up the good work and ignore the cry babies.
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HT, Pyro:
Can you guys give a breakdown of the planes in the different categories - what's in early, what's in mid, what's in late?
Much appreciated. Thanks!
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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This is very exciting.
Keep up the good work HTC!
:aok :aok
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Originally posted by Simaril
You guys who can see the arenas....are there any perk planes in the earlier arenas? Are they our current perk planes, are they nonperked later war planes, or what?
There are perk planes in every arena, just like Pyro stated. For example, in early war arena FW190A-5 is a perk ride now. But unfortunately, Spit V is not - but I would guess the perk values will be adjusted after a short time
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Originally posted by dtango
HT, Pyro:
Can you guys give a breakdown of the planes in the different categories - what's in early, what's in mid, what's in late?
Much appreciated. Thanks!
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
well pony is in late ;)
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plane sets gv sets? all seems to be used now is 163 when nme goes to defend. the la7 replacement
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Are they our current perk planes, are they nonperked later war planes, or what?
190A5 and P38G are perked in early war arena.
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Originally posted by Wilbus
(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ATA/24805BP~The-Simpsons-Mr-Burns-Excellent-Posters.jpg)
:lol Nice to see you again wilbus cant wait to fly with ya ;)
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** Stirs Pot **
Why should the Spit V be perked?? The 190A5 can just extend away from it at will. and the V's wings are china doll fragile.
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Originally posted by RedDg
** Stirs Pot **
Why should the Spit V?? The 190A5 can just extend away from it at will. and the V's wings are china doll fragile.
Because the A-5 is fairly expensive, and the SpitV pretty well dominates all of the free planes. They shouldn't be perked on the same level, but the spitV should be a low cost perk.
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Keep in mind the only reason the spitV isn't the most dominant spit anymore is because it has 60rpg. The flight characteristics are still UFO-tastic! (TM)
I predict it will be a big player (50% of all kills) in the early war, but I can't see perking it. It will be interesting to fight, though.
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Early war arena, Spit V free vs heavy perked Fw190A5
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Late war arena, Why the me262, is perked soo heavy? should be cheaper than used to be in MA, cuz is fighting late war planes, Who's is going to fly it?
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in that arena is the fm2 free? what about the a6m5b? they both should be able to handle a spit 5
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I snuck a quick look.
I am worried that this will initially thin the player numbers across time (or arenas) far enough as to make the larger maps unfortunatly unplayable.
Was is just me or has the price of Perk Ride increased dramatically with no change given to the value of killing them?
And this ended up being a downer post, which was not meant. :aok HTC!
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The perks are way off.FW-190 A5 in early arena is 50 perks while P-38G is only 14.
Is FW-190A5 three times better then P-38G in AH?:eek:
Looks like Russia did not fight in early war. There's nothing Russian in early arena.
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FM2 is a 1944 plane, sorry.
As for the perks...
*spews drink on screen*
WhaddaHECK?!!?!?
50 perkies for a 190A-5?!?!?!!? 450 for a 262?!?!?!?!
"Inconcievable!"
EDIT: Might it have something to do with the perk multiplier? Is that pushing the cost up?
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Originally posted by JAWS2003
Looks like Russia did not fight in early war. There's nothing Russian in early arena.
We have no early war soviet planes. This is why VVS planes are the most requested for filling planeset holes.
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WOW THIS IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
i think im going to restart my account
now i can finly fly attack planes and them be useful!
:O :O :D
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Originally posted by TinmanX
...Was is just me or has the price of Perk Ride increased dramatically with no change given to the value of killing them?....
notice the perk multiplier in GHI's pics...
one fo them it is .44 :O of course the perk planes cost more than usual.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
notice the perk multiplier in GHI's pics...
one fo them it is .44 :O of course the perk planes cost more than usual.
Yeah, but not that much. Trust me, I'm Bish, I see that multiplyer daily.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
in that arena is the fm2 free? what about the a6m5b? they both should be able to handle a spit 5
Neither of those are early war planes.
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Does this mean ENY limiter will be turned off, if we're splitting the player base into 3 different server groups?
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Yeah, but not that much. Trust me, I'm Bish, I see that multiplyer daily.
a .50 multiplier makes a 200 perk plane cost 400.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
notice the perk multiplier in GHI's pics...
one fo them it is .44 :O of course the perk planes cost more than usual.
Correct, 262 prices didn't even change.
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I like the sound of this.
I've been getting the itch to fire up an AH account again--the itch is growing stronger. : )
Now if I can just find my joystick after the recent move...
anRky
aka Monday
aka Mark
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AAR - Early War Arena
Lovin it! No La7's diving in from 18K; no HO dweeb Niks.
My only befuddlement is the FW A5 being charged out at 40+ perkies while Hurri C's and Spit V's are freebies. Drop the A5 to 10 and raise the Brit rides to 5. Or, unperk 'em all.
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Pyro will the amount of damg and bombs required to destroy ground targets like a fighter hanger be changed so the early war bombers with there lighter bombloads can be useful in that role
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The biggest advantage AH had ove all other WW2 flying games was NUMBERS. You could allways find a fight in MA. There were three teams. were aleays enough players per team.
Now you have four arenas. Multiply that by three teams. You have to split the same numbers over twelve teams. I think will be really hard to get a good team fight going.
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Question, had object hardness been adjusted at all in the early war arenas?
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but 1on1 fights and small team fights will incress alot due to the cutback in numbers
and it seems alot of people on these boards whine about hords and lack of small even dogfights
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Originally posted by Innominate
... the SpitV pretty well dominates all of the free planes.
From experience in the AvA the 109F4 is more than a match for the thpit V.
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Early, mid and late war arenas. :aok :aok
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jaws, simshell, pyro mentioned that the maps will be the older (smaller) maps. Less sprawl, more concentrated action. I think it'll be great.
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Pyro,
Is there an arena that is exactly the same as the main arena was before this change? In other words, is there an arena with all planes available?
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a small suggestion. allow at least one text channel to be available across all arenas.
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What about squad channel? How about having it cross all servers? And tuning to a player (for messages)?
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I love this idea.. but one request
Could the vox channels (the tunable "V" channel and "Squad") operate over multiple main so that "finding your squadies" is made easier?
Tex
Edit: lol if I would bother to read the entire thread.. ;)
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I can't wait to get home and check it out for myself. Sounds very interesting... I do see a kind of re-org and splitting for the squads who primarily fly together in the MA... however for those of us who fly with our squads in events I think it's very beneficial for training and plane familiarity purposes... no more getting picked by uber planes when learning early plane behavior.
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Well I rejoined after a couple months off due to lack of time, and I have to admit I'm a little concened by the recent changes. I think HTC meant well, but the implementation maybe could have been better.
Originally posted by TinmanX
I am worried that this will initially thin the player numbers across time (or arenas) far enough as to make the larger maps unfortunatly unplayable.
This was my concern as well....hopefully.....it will all work out.....
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OK, this is Dumb. You've still got Germans fighting Japs. Mark my word, this will be the worst move HTC has ever made. I'm predicting you'll lose at least 200 players within the week. I'm totally serious about this.:mad:
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Great Idea! WTG HTC!:aok
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Can see iT now . squads going empty arenas to do easy captures. no to build score just take your second account go to arena where no one watching. or use 2nd account to steal bases lol...........Reminds of Fighter ops on aol only 1 squad flew late nights. they would take all bases but one and vulch it all day.. it will be same here............
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Answers to various questions-
There is no Main Arena in which all planes are enabled.
Object hardness has not yet been adjusted for the early war arena. This is something we are looking into.
Cross arena communication/player lookup is something we will be working on as mentioned in the first post in this thread.
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Just got back from touring all arenas. 1 arena has 1 nit 1 bish and 10 rooks slaughtering everything in sight. Another has 20 nits 5 rooks and 10 bish.
Euro and pacific I could understand. But this is STUPID!!!!!!
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Originally posted by SHawk
Just got back from touring all arenas. 1 arena has 1 nit 1 bish and 10 rooks slaughtering everything in sight. Another has 20 nits 5 rooks and 10 bish.
Euro and pacific I could understand. But this is STUPID!!!!!!
Ahhh. The Rook areana, Bish areana and the Nit areana.
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Originally posted by Solar10
Ahhh. The Rook areana, Bish areana and the Nit areana.
Yeah Good luck finding a descent fight.:mad:
Nothing but Milkrunners paradise now.
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As I play during the day (EST} most of the time and in Gv's, this has already destoryed any GV play, there will not be enough people. I can only see this as good for a few of the players who have alway run down Gv players about how we take away fron the game.
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Now I wish I'd saved my perk points.
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Nice to see a lot of people have the cool red button on their keyboard and that it works fine...
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Well damn. I was gonna get some work done this afternoon but it looks like I'll have to check out the new setup :D
WTG HTC!:aok
Cheers,
asw
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Predictions:
1) Everyone will try out the individual era arenas and then eventually settle on the one with the most people in it. 99% chance that will be the "late war" arena.
2) People will just log off if they can't get into the "main arena".
Seems to be ignoring the past to overlook these two possible outcomes. I see nothing in this plan that addresses either.
Oh well... it isn't my paycheck that's at risk. Good luck with that one.
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if this is the future of AH then look at only having two sides instead of the three now.
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Hmm. I'm a new player and i'm already not liking this new arena business.
Can't find anyone to shoot at !
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Useless game now...SHawk is right...players will leave in droves...including me. You've gotten your last $15 bucks from me if this is the future of AH. If this format persists AH will half its current subscription in 90 days...and probably be out of business all together in 6 months. Look at the arenas now...not enough players in any arena to make it worth logging on. It's a shame such a great game is going to go down in flames due to such an ill conceived idea...stop listening to your 'buddies' HiTech and pay attention to the subscribers who pay your bills.
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Just checked it out.
Horrible idea. I dislike almost everything about it.
Adding a a mid and late war arena = good idea.
Killing the Main, and splitting up the player base = bad idea.
I will wait for others to chime in before I give my full 2 cents.
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Looks like Math hit the nail on the head... I wonder how the mood of this thread would change if Pyro would have locked it for one week after his announcement then re-opened it.
Asuming of course that a million other alarmist threads wouldn't pop up in it's place.
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Originally posted by SHawk
OK, this is Dumb. You've still got Germans fighting Japs. Mark my word, this will be the worst move HTC has ever made. I'm predicting you'll lose at least 200 players within the week. I'm totally serious about this.:mad:
I agree,
I like both sides of the game, strat playing and furballing, the strat player has no logic anymore, Who's going to win the war? the team that reset all 4 arenas ?
Seems like HTC gave up to "pure furballers "crying on BB, but they are small % of the players,
this is not a massive multiplayer game anymore
The way is set up now, with 12 teams in 4 arenas, i can play free, other games with better grafic and FM
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Bah you're all freaking out. Give it a week for cod's sake!
The reason nobody's ON right now is because it's the middle of the day in the middle of the work week! Most of us have lives! (okay, not "lives" -- but we have "work" aka "that time during which we can't fly AH2")
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one tip:
Do not consider what happens in the first few days "the future" of AH. The dust has to settle and some fine tuning by HTC will surely follow.
I do have a slight fear that "mid war" might fall between the seats.
Why are there two "late war" areanas? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Bozon
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Originally posted by Krusty
Bah you're all freaking out. Give it a week for cod's sake!
The reason nobody's ON right now is because it's the middle of the day in the middle of the work week!
Unfortunately, many players in different time zones spend most of their time online when numbers are so "low". When I´m online, there are 90-140 Players on most of the time. And now that few players are spread across 2-4 Arenas...
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I'm guessing it's due to the small maps. Even if folks split off into the early and mid arenas, the late war will see the majority of the players. I think it's 1) to give people smaller maps but more servers (for the spillover), 2) to see if folks will in fact spill over to the other server and both will have regular following.
I'm guessing it's part of the plan for long-term expansion, should the player base grow even larger than it already has.
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krusty, for the early day so far, early war has most people in it, more the twice as many as late war arena's combined.
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if this is the plane, can it be made so i can be on different countries in each arena? what country may have a fight in one arena, doesnt have a fight in other arena...or get rid of the time before you can switch again.
I just switched to nits in early war, cuz there was a fight there...it evaporated...so went to other arenas...no fights to be found as nits.
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Have they posted anywhere which planes are available in which arenas? Won't be home until much later tonight and wondering how they split things up (what year range for each arena).
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Guys, if this turns out to be a bad idea, I'm sure Hitech and Pyro will revert back to the old arena and say "We screwed up, guys. We'll come up with another solution for our MA population issue."
As it is, give it a chance, it might work out.
Also, as someone said, the 109F-4 is more than capable of handling the Spit V. Of course, it leaves very little choice in that arena. Those two planes will probably dominate.
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But I like clubbing baby seals in thier la7s spits16's and p51 in my 109f
I guess I will have to club the baby seals in thier spit5 and p38gs now
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Personally i am thrilled by this idea. I think this is a great move that will enhance gameplay considerably. Both thumbs up the the HTC crew.
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Interesting!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I find it amusing to see the range of reactions....from "WTG! I love the idea!" all the way to "HTC will lose half its customers in 3 weeks and be dead in 6 months!"
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I was getting worried that HTC was moving away from what it was in AH1 and bringing too much "playing for points" into the MA. This, in my opinion, seems like a move back to the AH1 days.
One thing I do believe should happen, instead of having 2 late war arenas, have 1 late war arena and 1 MA style arena with everything enabled.
P38G perked... never thought I would hear that:lol
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Well done HTC! :aok
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Honestly, I have been on for 20 minutes. Gave each arena a test drive, and have considered suicide as an alternative to boredom. Am am NOT diss'ing the current set up. I applaud it. Now the early war fanatics dont have to be worried about 40 cherry pickin la's, and vise versa. But there are those of us who love our old AH, the 100 plane furballs etc etc. Please consider making the main arena an alternative to the early, mid, late war arenas.
Puck
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Originally posted by Baylor
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I just switched to nits in early war, cuz there was a fight there...it evaporated...so went to other arenas...no fights to be found as nits.
:aok
Excellent point.
Maybe track country PER ARENA, and require 6 hours in a country for each arena separately.
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I think this is a step in the right direction. Now I can't wait to get home and check out the new arenas.
I'm kind of surprised at all the whines so far seeing as this hasn't been in effect for more than a few hours. Give it some time and see how things shake out before you condem it.
A big :aok HTC
SIK1
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I fly early morning (0630- 0900) Pacific Coast USA time. It is difficult enough to find a fight in the MA when we have 90, or so, players online between 3 Countries; now you wish to further divide this player base by 4, and each arena by 3 again, and this math only assumes aircraft, not the divisions of PTs, GVs, Bombers, Fighters/Attack aircraft and expect us early morning fliers to find some kind of a fight in ANY mode? Whom are you kidding?
I left WarBirds because of this kind of thinking...
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Originally posted by Simaril
I find it amusing to see the range of reactions....from "WTG! I love the idea!" all the way to "HTC will lose half its customers in 3 weeks and be dead in 6 months!"
That is the history of every significant change(and some insignificant) in AH. Good thing we're used to it. :)
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Speaking as a still relative nooooooob .... I like the idea. I'm sure there are some wrinkles that are going to pop up but one of the more frustrating things is to take the early war birds up like you're supposed to and learning it in the MA. It's cartoon suicide. Now I can take a step back to the early war and get some realistic practice for both upcoming scenarios AND really learning all the SA, energy management, etc, the way a new guy should based on both my opinion and all of the reading of help, netaces, etc.
on the move Hitech... not to sound like I'm kissing up but this is twice in less than a week as a new customer it looks to me like they're trying to put a product out there that satisfies both the incoming masses and the oldtimers. And that they're actually LISTENING to the concerns of their customers.
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this gives more incentive to request planes like the russian biplane (can't think of the name at the moment).
Maybe make a channel 300 to which tunes to all arenas, and extend squad channel to all countries.
I don't think HTC should start adding other era planes just yet... I think it should focus on WW2. Atleast until there are sufficient numbers in all arenas again (and we get some more planes in the WW2 planeset filled;) )
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I-15 and I-16 is what you are talking about for early war Russian planes.
Also more incentive for early war bombers and attack aircraft for all countries not to mention midwar. Not to mention GVs.
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What is the significant change here...other than dividing the community?
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Plane listing, and if there is a * next to it, it is perked:
Early-WAR
A6M2, B5N2, 109E-4, 109F-4, 110C-4b, Boston III, C-47, C-202, D3A1, F4F-4, *190A-5, Hurri-I, Hurri-IIC, Jeep, JU-87, JU-88, *Lanc’s, LVT2 & 4, M-16, M-3, M-8, *P-38G, P-40B & E, SBD, Spit 1, 5, & *9, T-34, TBM
MID-WAR
A20, A6M2, A6M5, B-17, B-26, B5N2, 109F-4, 109G-2, 109G-6, 110C-4b, BOSTON, C-47, C-202, C-205, D3A1, F4F-4, F4U-1, F6F, FM2, 190A-5, HURRI C & D, IL2, JEEP, JU87, JU88, KI61, KI67, KI84, LA5, LANCS, LVT2 & 4, M16, M3, M8, MOSSIE, OSTWIND, P-38G & J, P-40B, P-40e, P-47d11, P-51B, PANZER, PT BOAT, SBD, SEAFIRE, SPIT 5, *8, & 9, T34, TBM, *TIGER, TIFFIE, YAK-9T
LATE-WAR 1
JEEP, LVT2 & 4, M-16, M-3, M-8, OSTWIND, PANZER, PT BOAT, T-34, *TIGER,
Might be available but am not sure: AR234, F4U-C, F4U-4, *ME163, *ME262, *SPIT 14, *TEMEPST
LATE-WAR 2
A20, A6M2, *AR234, B-17, B-24, B-26, B5N2, 109G-14, 109G-6, 109K-4, 110g-2, BOSTON, C-47, C-205, D3A1, F4U-1, *F4U-1C, F4U-1D, *F4U-4, F6F, FM2, 190A-5, 190A-8, 190D-9, 190F-8, GUN, HURRI IIC & IID, IL2, JEEP, JU87, JU88, KI61, KI67, KI84, LA-5, LA-7, LANCS, LVT2 & 4, M-16, M-3, M-8, *ME-163, *ME-262, MOSSIE, NIKI, OSTWIND, P-38J, P-38L, P-40E, P-47D-11, P-47D-25, P-47D-40, P-47N, P-51B, P-51D, PANZER, SBD, SEAFIRE, SPIT 5, 8, *9, 16, T-34, TA152, TBM, *TEMPEST, *TIGER, TIFFIE, YAK-9T, YAK-9U
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
I-15 and I-16 is what you are talking about for early war Russian planes.
Also more incentive for early war bombers and attack aircraft for all countries not to mention midwar. Not to mention GVs.
add to this I-153 ,lagg-3,Mig-3, yak 1 & 7 and yak 3 (for late war arena)
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is the MA reaching the limits and this division is the only solution?
the highest number of players i ever seen in MA, monday sept 4th, Labor Day, around 9-10PM, ET.
But the game was stable, working ok, i didn't see players complayining
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one of the "Late war" Arena's should still have the "Full Planeset ..."
:( :( :(
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This hasnt even been in effect for 6 hours and everyone is crying about it. Give them a chance and lets see how it looks in a week. It looks pretty fun to me
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
one of the "Late war" Arena's should still have the "Full Planeset ..."
:( :( :(
But the other arenas would be empty after a few weeks. Just like old CT / now AvA
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I like the idea and think its a good thing to try even if they change it back later. However, I predict massive participation in the late war arena and the others nearly zero participation as soon as the "new" wears off, maybe sooner.
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sure been lots of complaining lately about numbers...and hordes. Pack too many dweebs into a MA and what do you get? a 90% increase in HOs.
Welcome to the solution.
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Originally posted by Lusche
But the other arenas would be empty after a few weeks. Just like old CT / now AvA
hint hint? :rolleyes:
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Give it a week.. Main was getting out of hand with the numbers.
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WTG! almost enough to make me ill at work and head home to check it out !
see you in my 109f in the early room in about 2 hours :)
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I got two words for this ideaIT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Sketch
Plane listing, and if there is a * next to it, it is perked:
Early-WAR
A6M2, B5N2, 109E-4, 109F-4, 110C-4b, Boston III, C-47, C-202, D3A1, F4F-4, *190A-5, Hurri-I, Hurri-IIC, Jeep, JU-87, JU-88, *Lanc’s, LVT2 & 4, M-16, M-3, M-8, *P-38G, P-40B & E, SBD, Spit 1, 5, & *9, T-34, TBM
MID-WAR
A20, A6M2, A6M5, B-17, B-26, B5N2, 109F-4, 109G-2, 109G-6, 110C-4b, BOSTON, C-47, C-202, C-205, D3A1, F4F-4, F4U-1, F6F, FM2, 190A-5, HURRI C & D, IL2, JEEP, JU87, JU88, KI61, KI67, KI84, LA5, LANCS, LVT2 & 4, M16, M3, M8, MOSSIE, OSTWIND, P-38G & J, P-40B, P-40e, P-47d11, P-51B, PANZER, PT BOAT, SBD, SEAFIRE, SPIT 5, *8, & 9, T34, TBM, *TIGER, TIFFIE, YAK-9T
LATE-WAR 1
JEEP, LVT2 & 4, M-16, M-3, M-8, OSTWIND, PANZER, PT BOAT, T-34, *TIGER,
Might be available but am not sure: AR234, F4U-C, F4U-4, *ME163, *ME262, *SPIT 14, *TEMEPST
LATE-WAR 2
A20, A6M2, *AR234, B-17, B-24, B-26, B5N2, 109G-14, 109G-6, 109K-4, 110g-2, BOSTON, C-47, C-205, D3A1, F4U-1, *F4U-1C, F4U-1D, *F4U-4, F6F, FM2, 190A-5, 190A-8, 190D-9, 190F-8, GUN, HURRI IIC & IID, IL2, JEEP, JU87, JU88, KI61, KI67, KI84, LA-5, LA-7, LANCS, LVT2 & 4, M-16, M-3, M-8, *ME-163, *ME-262, MOSSIE, NIKI, OSTWIND, P-38J, P-38L, P-40E, P-47D-11, P-47D-25, P-47D-40, P-47N, P-51B, P-51D, PANZER, SBD, SEAFIRE, SPIT 5, 8, *9, 16, T-34, TA152, TBM, *TEMPEST, *TIGER, TIFFIE, YAK-9T, YAK-9U
Is this actual?
HTC, can you post the official planesets for each arena?
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Not sure i will stay if this does I hate all the arenas too even. I'm sure even in real WW2 there were instances when a plane was jumped by a far superior aircraft!
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If you divide the community you will lose it. It's the community that makes a game like this. Fracture the community like warbirds did and the game falls apart.
Listening to a very vocal minority destroyed warbirds eventually, there ends the history lesson.
wipass
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Can we have a Fiat CR 42 for early war arena now?http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco.htm (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco.htm)
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Until this morning AHII was a WWII sim (and a damned good one)...now its just a game designed to meet the needs of a handful of elitist who want to tailor the game to their specific desires. I find it unlikely that the change is due to server issues...700 players would not tax a well built and well managed server...there are significantly larger multiplayer games out there hosting 3 times that number of players. If a game is what you want...you've made it. If a sim was the goal...you've gone off mark. I expect HiTech's revenues to diminish quickly.
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Anyone remembers what happened when Coke decided to change the original formula with out asking their customers, because they knew better?
I have a feeling this place is going to be really fun in the coming weeks :O
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I'm taking the rest of the day off to see what the early war is like. I suspect you'll find the better players in the early war arena, well with the exception of one player that is.
:D
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I don't think Hitech will lose as many customers as a lot of previous posters think. In fact I would take the arena a step further and put a time limit on it. New guys have to be here x number of months before they can move to mid war, mid war guys have to be here x number of months before they can move on to late war. Late war guys can fly all arenas.
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Originally posted by wipass
If you divide the community you will lose it. It's the community that makes a game like this. Fracture the community like warbirds did and the game falls apart.
Listening to a very vocal minority destroyed warbirds eventually, there ends the history lesson.
wipass
Not really sure waht vocal minority you're talking about. This change doesnt favor fighters, GV'ers, or capture fans particularly. The arena mechanics are unchanged...captures are the same, strats unchanged.
All thats different is that the total numbers per arena are less (like mornings EST anyway!) and that the entier planeset can be used by more people (not just reserved for the experts.)
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I like this idea so far. I think it would be better to simply have an early war area in every map in the mostly unused portions of the large maps but... this is probly a better solution for the long haul.
are the areas divided by strict year or is some performance and substitution allowed?
In my case, what comes to mind is the FM2 performance being early war and.. that the FM2 is a good sub for both the buffalo and the much better F4F-3 that actually outperformed the FM2 and is a very early war plane.
I agree that this new idea opens up the need for, and use for, many great planes that would otherwise have been wasted in the MA.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Sketch!!! Many thanks for taking the time to type that!!!
One thing, can you confirm the spit9 is perked in latewar 2? :huh
If anything you'd think the spixteen would be, not the 9.
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Echoing ideas originally posted by bunches of people
If you divide the community you will lose it. It's the community that makes a game like this. Fracture the community like warbirds did and the game falls apart.
Listening to a very vocal minority destroyed warbirds eventually, there ends the history lesson.
(http://furballunderground.com/gallery2/data/media/33/chicken-little.jpg)
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Originally posted by storch
I'm taking the rest of the day off to see what the early war is like. I suspect you'll find the better players in the early war arena, well with the exception of one player that is.
:D
Well I'm not *that* bad.... :D
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Originally posted by Krusty
Sketch!!! Many thanks for taking the time to type that!!!
One thing, can you confirm the spit9 is perked in latewar 2? :huh
If anything you'd think the spixteen would be, not the 9.
I think he kinda messed up while typing some of those, no Spit 14 in the Late War 2 list he made, for example.
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seems like the majority of the whiners are the la queens :)
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Oh My!,
This sounds intesesting......
I guarantee that during low numbers times, 1 arena will become favored. Thats not a bad thing. During Peak hours Things will get spread out.
Question: I havent seen the Arena Cap numbers, but lets say its 300, Does that mean only 100 Knights, 100 Bishops, and 100 Rooks could log on? Or does it mean you could have 299 Bishops and 1 Knight?
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Originally posted by lazs2
In my case, what comes to mind is the FM2 performance being early war and.. that the FM2 is a good sub for both the buffalo and the much better F4F-3 that actually outperformed the FM2 and is a very early war plane.
I agree that this new idea opens up the need for, and use for, many great planes that would otherwise have been wasted in the MA.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Uh... what now? :huh
First off, the FM2 was a bad sub for the Brewster. It was performed far better than the Brewster. Second, the performance of the FM2 is probably better than the hurricane2. It has a slow top speed but the rest is competitive. I regularly saw FM2s flying around fighting P51s and other late war planes the past week. Third, the F4F-3 is NOT better than the FM2. It is slower, has less speed and climb, and the FM2 has a much better engine. The only difference is the option for 6 guns in the F4F-3.
Just had to point this out. The FM2 in no way belongs in the "early war" crowd.
Cheers:aok
EDIT: Nifty I think you're right. That would make sense if he meant to type 14 instead of 9.
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does this mean there will be monthly "winners" in each of the 3 rooms like there is now in MA? no wonder Shawk doesn't like it :)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Well I'm not *that* bad.... :D
the original poster that you quoted sure does suck though.
:D
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Looks good to me. People can still charge about in the MA mark 2 with that plane set, will need new planes though to exploit the new areanas to the full but that seems what HTC have planned.
Plucky move though, hope it works out.
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my suckage > your suckage :cool:
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Simaril, forgive me if I am wrong but I am guessing that English isn't your first language ?
I have no idea what point you are attempting to make. Write it in your first language and I will translate it. I am typing this slowly so you can understand.
wipass
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I seem to recall something similar (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9237&highlight=19.95) to this with respect to the reaction (some would say overreaction) to a significant change. Before freaking out, you should see what actually happens with the new arenas.
As for me, you will be able to find me in the early and mid-war arenas.
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Originally posted by Gman8
Until this morning AHII was a WWII sim (and a damned good one)...now its just a game designed to meet the needs of a handful of elitist who want to tailor the game to their specific desires.
I Agree with you 100%. I also saw the caps on the arenas, they are set to 200 players. So what does prevent a particular country to control one arena? Imagine the odds! ( poor knights)
Everyone is so involved in figuring out what planes are available but not what the odds are going to be. " Oh Please, I don't care if I can't up, as long I can fly my favorite plane" duh...... ding, dong the fries are done!
This is BULL at its best!
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Originally posted by Grimm
Oh My!,
This sounds intesesting......
I guarantee that during low numbers times, 1 arena will become favored. Thats not a bad thing. During Peak hours Things will get spread out.
Question: I havent seen the Arena Cap numbers, but lets say its 300, Does that mean only 100 Knights, 100 Bishops, and 100 Rooks could log on? Or does it mean you could have 299 Bishops and 1 Knight?
sounds like a fair fight to me :lol
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Originally posted by lazs2
are the areas divided by strict year or is some performance and substitution allowed?
In my case, what comes to mind is the FM2 performance being early war and.. that the FM2 is a good sub for both the buffalo and the much better F4F-3 that actually outperformed the FM2 and is a very early war plane.
Oh, boy, now the "substitution whines" can be extended from the AvA to the MA . . . :(
"It says A-5 but is supposed to be A-3" . . .
"Spit XVI is really a '43 bird" . . .
The such-and-such whatever, although a '44 design, is close in performance to the whatsit whocares '42 ride so should be allowed early war . . .
Etc. etc. ad nausium.
There's enough whining as it is. It seems this will only cause more.
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Originally posted by Baylor
if this is the plane, can it be made so i can be on different countries in each arena? what country may have a fight in one arena, doesnt have a fight in other arena...or get rid of the time before you can switch again.
I just switched to nits in early war, cuz there was a fight there...it evaporated...so went to other arenas...no fights to be found as nits.
Good call...This should be adressed.
-Dano
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Originally posted by Simaril
Not really sure waht vocal minority you're talking about. This change doesnt favor fighters, GV'ers, or capture fans particularly. The arena mechanics are unchanged...captures are the same, strats unchanged.
All thats different is that the total numbers per arena are less (like mornings EST anyway!) and that the entier planeset can be used by more people (not just reserved for the experts.)
actually, wipass was spot on.
The community has now been fractured.
Setting up a early and late war arena would be a good idea, but keep the MA the way it is.
By doing so, one would soon see that everybody would rather fly in the MA as it is (proof of that would be the AvA arena), and a small, core group of pilots would fly in the early, mid arenas.
This has been proven time and again.
Why HTC would split up the community for the needs of a small core group is beyond me.
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Originally posted by wipass
Simaril, forgive me if I am wrong but I am guessing that English isn't your first language ?
I have no idea what point you are attempting to make. Write it in your first language and I will translate it. I am typing this slowly so you can understand.
wipass
was that necessary? The point was quite clear.
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pyro,
will you be considering additional models to add especially for the early war?
I'm hopeful that you will flesh out some important participants from:
france
italy
england
exported US
soviet union
romania
poland
japan
germany
i'm sure you guys have your hands full currently but if you would reply i'm sure many others are wondering the same thing.
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Originally posted by PuckHead
Honestly, I have been on for 20 minutes. Gave each arena a test drive, and have considered suicide as an alternative to boredom. Am am NOT diss'ing the current set up. I applaud it. Now the early war fanatics dont have to be worried about 40 cherry pickin la's, and vise versa. But there are those of us who love our old AH, the 100 plane furballs etc etc. Please consider making the main arena an alternative to the early, mid, late war arenas.
Puck
That is an excellent idea!!! HTC are you listening?
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Okay 200 players per arena? That CAP I think is a bit low and going to cause issues and break apart squads. The part of squads is flying together. I really don't car about scoring or the rank of my squad. I care about flying with them and seeing them off my wing.
200 pilot CAP reminds me of old Air Warrior days and my gut says way to low. 300 per arena would be a better number.
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Only, it doesn't work that way lute.
If we kept the MA as-is but made the cap 300 players, then the CT would be packed full most of the time.
Introducing new arenas is a nice touch, and the caps may be changed later, but nobody's moving from "Late War 2" unless it's full. I gaurantee that. If you put in new arenas but no incentive to go TO those arenas, they go unused.
I'm confident this will all play out to an equitable solution, given a bit of time to test things out.
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We hope that through further growth we can add even more diverse offerings such as more time periods and perhaps even time periods outside of WWII such as WWI or the Korean War.
These would be the Early Early War and Late Late War arenas?
I would love to see Biplanes. Low and slow is more fun than high and fast.
As to all the complaints, let's see how it shakes out.
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but nobody's moving from "Late War 2" unless it's full
from earlier in thread....
krusty, for the early day so far, early war has most people in it, more the twice as many as late war arena's combined.
and to state it again, just left arena again....150+ in early war, 11 in late 1 and 43 in late 2 with 12 in mid.
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I think you just got me interested enough to come back HTC.
WTG!
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Well, just spent the last hour and change playing the new setup and I like it. I had no trouble finding a fight, frame rates were higher (loading fewer aircraft models and skin I imagine) and the fights are far more interesting seeing as you're generally fighting aircraft that fall (fairly losely) within the same performance class. Closing the gap between the high performance and low performance rides in an arena is going to make for better game play IMO. The setup (ENY/Perks/planeset?) will likely need to be tweaked but I think this is going to work out very well.
my $0.02
asw
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Originally posted by Krusty
Only, it doesn't work that way lute.
If we kept the MA as-is but made the cap 300 players, then the CT would be packed full most of the time.
Introducing new arenas is a nice touch, and the caps may be changed later, but nobody's moving from "Late War 2" unless it's full. I gaurantee that. If you put in new arenas but no incentive to go TO those arenas, they go unused.
I'm confident this will all play out to an equitable solution, given a bit of time to test things out.
Bear something in mind. I LOVE the idea of early and mid war arenas.
I feel that would be tons of fun. I know i'm a niki dweeb, but i'm not dependant on that plane in any way, and I tend to fly, and be just as succesful in, many different rides. Like the other night I had a blast in Fighter Town in my D3A val shooting down spit, pony's and zekes.
My huge concern is side balance, the hoards, the score weenies, and the fact that people will have to cycle through 4 diff. arenas to find squaddies.
The person who mentioned arenas with 3 knits, 4 bish, and 20 rooks (countries randomly picked there) were spot on. There is no way to prevent, or balance that. We can't just switch sides to balance it out.
It wasn't broke. If they wanna ADD to the game with new arena's, brilliant! I am all for it.
Just look back at other flight sims and what made them special, and what killed them.
The major argument for not flying another sim like IL2 was the fact that we would have 5-700 players in one arena. This argument was just rendered moot.
I dunno, maybe after a month or three HTC will get all of the issues worked out, and it will all be golden. I just hope that enough players stick around to see it happen.
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Ghosth
I dare you
I double DOG dare you :aok
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Does anyone knows if HTC will pro-rate my subscription if I cancel now?
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I just logged out of the EA and had a blast. Great furballing A1 to A19.
I'm interested to see how the arena to arena communications challenge pans out. Until then check out teamspeak (http://www.goteamspeak.com/)
-Dano
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if HTC will pro-rate my subscription if I cancel now?
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cancel now and find out :rolleyes:
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That's better than seeing a 70 year old grandma in a bikini jumping in a pogo stick with rottweilers chasing her through heavy traffic in pouring rain ,on the interstate.
Finally KOREA TIME!!!! W00T!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't be so melodramatic, nexus
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Just a gut reaction from stopping in quick to look at the plane sets.
Only thing I'd consider is getting the Spit IX and 190A5 out of the Early war arena. And maybe even the Hurri IIc with those cannons considering the huge amout of use it was getting in the old MA as it was..
Other then that it all looks cool to me. Except my G is perked in the Early War arena! :)
Mid-war looks the most evenly balanced right now in terms of aircraft.
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Originally posted by WMLute
The major argument for not flying another sim like IL2 was the fact that we would have 5-700 players in one arena. This argument was just rendered moot.
The first thing I thought of. IL-2 does the same thing but you had fewer people in each server (I didn't care for that). At certain times the AH2 servers are going to be around IL-2 (free game) levels. Guess we will see.
PLEASE DON'T TOUCH THE DA HTC :lol
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Bring back the MA
if anyone wanted this they would have flown AvA and not in fighter town or tank town,
there was still room for the crappy planes in the ma thats mostly what i liked
Making flying like 3 special events all the time is gonna take from the game
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one thing im amazed at is how there was no warning from HTC about this massive change in gameplay
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Oh no not Change:O Not when I was getting so used to getting Hoed by newbs:mad: Please not that.......Anything but change. You go Hitech. It was getting pretty stale in the MA. I am actually looking forward to some flight time tonight
:aok
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Well, HTC did the right thing, now its in our hands how to manage it; give it some times to subside, no needs for early crying Cassandras.....
and remember Htc can give us the tools, how they are used its our (yes the players) discretion.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Mid-war looks the most evenly balanced right now in terms of aircraft.
I think the Mid-War arena will turn out to be the winner. So many good matchups you never really see, all very capable rides and the la7 jocks will stay out of there, vastly improving gameplay.
Love the gutsy decision to do this HTC, most important thing to take care of now is communication between the arenas I think.
:aok
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Man 1: Look out! You've grown goat's legs!
Man 2: No! These are my new invention! I call them "pants"! I no longer need to cover myself with harsh uncomfortable shrubs!
Man 1: Well I for one fear change, and will keep my shrubs!
(Taken from a Quizno's commercial)
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Man go figure.....major change that looks good and my video card died. Now I'm stuck with crappy onboard video that won't even support the game untill I can buy a new video card:cry
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wow... what a stunning PR blunder HTC..
So we should just disband our squads now since it will be nearly impossible to coordinate over 3 different arenas?
Have you ever considered using the perk system to regulate the usage of aircraft? all the late war aircraft cost perks , mid war get low eny early war get high eny? Look at the hanger queens once in a while and adjust from there?
You accomplish a very similar thing but without destroying the fabric of what putthe food on your table.
I can see leaving the MA alone and having a early and late war arenas but why break it up so those who just want to jump on and fly with their freinds get broken up? I'm all for improving gameplay and realism but ambushing the community isn't going to go over well.
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Originally posted by Domin
At certain times the AH2 servers are going to be around IL-2 (free game) levels. Guess we will see.
actually that is a valid point IMHO.
personally I have never flown that other sim, but if they have the same ammount of people in a free arena, and here it costs money, I can see where some people may decide it is not worth the cost.
nexus69 if you were to cancel today you should be able to play for the time you paid for. I have done that before, and the account did not end until the time of the next billing cycle.
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This change sounds promising, but it seems like there wont be enough players for 4 separate Main arenas.
My first impression is that maybe combining the early and mid arenas together and getting rid of Late1 migth be the solution.
The Late1 does not offer anything more than Late2. Why would it be necessary to exclude early planes from Late arena? Late1 will not likely be used as much as Late2.
Why not try it with just 2 arenas? Early+Mid and Late?
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OK, since thoughts are being solicited:
First (and most important!), the AvA will still be there. I think. It's there now, and it will still be the only place where you can actually have a generally historical fight. So that's good. In fact, that's great.
Second, 200 people in an arena is PLENTY. How do I know? I've spent the past four or five years flying in an arena that, on its most crowded night, had just over 100. Many of us spent years in Air Warrior, with population limits similar to those of these new arenas. On smaller maps the fights are just as good as, and probably much better than, those you used to find in the MA. You just have them on one or two fronts, instead of seven or eight.
Third, this gives us complain-about-the-perks topics, and that-plane-belongs-in-a-different-arena threads, for years to come. We don't have to spend all of our time whining about toolshedders anymore.
Already we can see Hurri II, FM2 and (my turn) 109F issues. There will be LOTS more as more people fly the pre-1945 planes, guaranteed!
Fourth, I'll bet we get lots of new maps. It isn't like building the pyramids anymore.
Fifth, no one is "fracturing the community." You'll still see the same people as you usually see, because you'll arrange to meet them, or you'll all naturally gravitate to the same places. This is a rejuvenation call for ailing squads. You'll end up with more community, not less.
What I don't know is whether I agree with Storch that the better pilots will gravitate to the early war arena. While there's no doubt that the early war arena will be the most fun to fly in, it will always be the hardest place to run up a big score. Human nature being what it is....we'll see, I guess.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Only, it doesn't work that way lute.
If we kept the MA as-is but made the cap 300 players, then the CT would be packed full most of the time.
Introducing new arenas is a nice touch, and the caps may be changed later, but nobody's moving from "Late War 2" unless it's full. I gaurantee that. If you put in new arenas but no incentive to go TO those arenas, they go unused.
I'm confident this will all play out to an equitable solution, given a bit of time to test things out.
ERR wrong.... I was home at lunch. Early war had 143 players and Late war 2 had 50.
Got 4 flights in in the early war areana and it excellent.
WTG HT!
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Mustaine,
I have played "that other game" -- and it's no fun. The flight model sucks horribly. The gunnery stinks. The views are terrible. Even if it's free (not counting cost of buying IL2, IL2 FB, AEP, PF, and all the updates upon updates and redundant multiple directories on the HD) it's still not worth it because the gameplay blows.
As for cancelling -- if you cancel you delete the account. No way to cancel without deleting. You can make another afterwards. However once it's deleted you can no longer play, so if you cancel mid-month your account is gone and even though you've paid for the month you can't get in.
You're paying a subscription. Not a per-day rate. The subscription stops whenever you want, but once you've paid you've paid.
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smaller numbers mean smaller maps - yeah!!
another plus to this way change!
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Alright. I see the same range of comments as with any other big change. I see the same vocal "I QUIT!!!!" posters stuck around to yell "I QUIT!!!!" again, and they'll be here for the next big change. :p
That said: I never cared what the planeset was - this game is about player interaction. As I mentioned in another thread, I really hope we don't see barren arenas - an empty arena equals offline mode. The setup may allow unused hangar queens to see the light of day, but it may also see players logging not being able to log into arena X due to a cap or aircraft availability. We shall see - I sincerely hope this works.
What I do hope for is that this change spurs much faster new additions to the planeset. I'll even toss out a rate: Two additions every 2-3 months.
Also: The squad MOTD is a neat idea, but I do agree an inter-arena text channel or some other faster form of communication is a better idea (if possible).
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
wow... what a stunning PR blunder HTC..
So we should just disband our squads now since it will be nearly impossible to coordinate over 3 different arenas?
Have you ever considered using the perk system to regulate the usage of aircraft? all the late war aircraft cost perks , mid war get low eny early war get high eny? Look at the hanger queens once in a while and adjust from there?
You accomplish a very similar thing but without destroying the fabric of what putthe food on your table.
I can see leaving the MA alone and having a early and late war arenas but why break it up so those who just want to jump on and fly with their freinds get broken up? I'm all for improving gameplay and realism but ambushing the community isn't going to go over well.
E-mail and squad forums are wonderful things aren't they :)
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Originally posted by BlauK
This change sounds promising, but it seems like there wont be enough players for 4 separate Main arenas.
Why not try it with just 2 arenas? Early+Mid and Late?
I like that suggestion. An additional arena could be added later if nessissary.
I've enjoyed the early arena more then I would have thought :)
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Originally posted by storch
I'm taking the rest of the day off to see what the early war is like. I suspect you'll find the better players in the early war arena, well with the exception of one player that is.
:D
My thoughts too. All the vets in the Early arena, Mid arena empty and the New Blood in the Late war arena.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Mustaine,
I have played "that other game" -- and it's no fun. The flight model sucks horribly. The gunnery stinks. The views are terrible. Even if it's free (not counting cost of buying IL2, IL2 FB, AEP, PF, and all the updates upon updates and redundant multiple directories on the HD) it's still not worth it because the gameplay blows.
Yea I have heard both ways. Some people say the same for AH2 and swear by IL2 (and it seems IL2 has a high percent of RL pilots so it can get a lil much). I prefer AH2. I'm sure HTC will figure it out.
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All I know when they put in Korea I'll re susbscribe in the meantime, I'm gonna see how this new arena set up works out from the sidelines. WW1/Korea Arena sounds exciting, alas! I hope they work on Korea before WW1 since it's IMO much easier to make, then again you'd need Catapult capable carriers, to launch Panthers. :D
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wow this thread is boaring allready tthppptttt!!!
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my 2 cents:)
i don't see how this will break up squads. if flying together is so important, which it is, than do it. organize your organization:)
i think this is a good idea. obviously it gives a reason to have early and mid-war planes. more importantly it provides a potentially more competitive atmosphere in which to fly these planes. how will numbers be, only time will tell, i would think mid-war will be quite popular. looking forward to logging on:aok
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Before we get other wars we need a GVing a areana w/o bombers!!!!:noid :noid :noid
Is this going to be permenit? Don't have time to look at 200 posts
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Originally posted by 68slayr
Before we get other wars we need a GVing a areana w/o bombers!!!!:noid :noid :noid
Is this going to be permenit? Don't have time to look at 200 posts
According to this it looks like Late War 1 has only gv's. Not sure about Sketch's "Might be available but am not sure:" part with the planes...still wating on official plansets for each arena from HTC.
Originally posted by Sketch
Plane listing, and if there is a * next to it, it is perked:
Early-WAR
A6M2, B5N2, 109E-4, 109F-4, 110C-4b, Boston III, C-47, C-202, D3A1, F4F-4, *190A-5, Hurri-I, Hurri-IIC, Jeep, JU-87, JU-88, *Lanc’s, LVT2 & 4, M-16, M-3, M-8, *P-38G, P-40B & E, SBD, Spit 1, 5, & *9, T-34, TBM
MID-WAR
A20, A6M2, A6M5, B-17, B-26, B5N2, 109F-4, 109G-2, 109G-6, 110C-4b, BOSTON, C-47, C-202, C-205, D3A1, F4F-4, F4U-1, F6F, FM2, 190A-5, HURRI C & D, IL2, JEEP, JU87, JU88, KI61, KI67, KI84, LA5, LANCS, LVT2 & 4, M16, M3, M8, MOSSIE, OSTWIND, P-38G & J, P-40B, P-40e, P-47d11, P-51B, PANZER, PT BOAT, SBD, SEAFIRE, SPIT 5, *8, & 9, T34, TBM, *TIGER, TIFFIE, YAK-9T
LATE-WAR 1
JEEP, LVT2 & 4, M-16, M-3, M-8, OSTWIND, PANZER, PT BOAT, T-34, *TIGER,
Might be available but am not sure: AR234, F4U-C, F4U-4, *ME163, *ME262, *SPIT 14, *TEMEPST
LATE-WAR 2
A20, A6M2, *AR234, B-17, B-24, B-26, B5N2, 109G-14, 109G-6, 109K-4, 110g-2, BOSTON, C-47, C-205, D3A1, F4U-1, *F4U-1C, F4U-1D, *F4U-4, F6F, FM2, 190A-5, 190A-8, 190D-9, 190F-8, GUN, HURRI IIC & IID, IL2, JEEP, JU87, JU88, KI61, KI67, KI84, LA-5, LA-7, LANCS, LVT2 & 4, M-16, M-3, M-8, *ME-163, *ME-262, MOSSIE, NIKI, OSTWIND, P-38J, P-38L, P-40E, P-47D-11, P-47D-25, P-47D-40, P-47N, P-51B, P-51D, PANZER, SBD, SEAFIRE, SPIT 5, 8, *9, 16, T-34, TA152, TBM, *TEMPEST, *TIGER, TIFFIE, YAK-9T, YAK-9U
If true it seems that all bases will require at least one GV spawn.
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Looks good to me. I am particularly keen on the early and mid war arenas.
I will definately be on to try it tonight.
And o' how many chicken littles we have. So, so many....
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9/13
Never Forget!:noid
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
9/13
Never Forget!:noid
:rofl :aok :lol :cry :D
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
9/13
Never Forget!:noid
Now that's funny.
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been on early war had 160 players midwar had 36 late 1 had 19 and late 2 had 46
if i wanted to fly against 9 other players id go back to combat flight simulater.
2 aerns would have been better a early and a all 4 is just not gona work
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Originally posted by rogerdee
been on early war had 160 players midwar had 36 late 1 had 19 and late 2 had 46
Still confused about how the change catered to small vocal minority....
Seems to me that so far the vocal minority has consisted of those who like late war planes, but I can't imagine that's what you guys meant!
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Originally posted by Krusty
Introducing new arenas is a nice touch, and the caps may be changed later, but nobody's moving from "Late War 2" unless it's full. I gaurantee that. If you put in new arenas but no incentive to go TO those arenas, they go unused.
HiTech now gives use 3 choices to play (an OK idea), but then screws the pooch as it were by (possilbly) restricting people's ability to utilize that choice with too low total arena numbers for the late periods. It might or might not happen, we'll just have to see.
But if it does, the first time, I can't get into the arena where my squad is having squad night or other action, and HiTech and I are really gonna have a discussion. This is one area where I see people willing to close accounts. If I can't go where I want to play, why should I play at all? And if I find I don't play that much anymore because of that, then why should I pay HiTech?
The ONLY type of behavior modification HiTech should EVER be involved in (and very, very carefully and very rarily at that) is the prevention of bad individual behavior. PERIOD. Behavior manipulation is otherwise very dangerous to the bottom line.
I have no incentive to go to the Early Arena (it's just not me). I don't mind dropping in there occaisionly when I decide I want to, but I generally don't want to play there, and certainly don't want to be forced there (which won't happen, I'll quit first). I pay my money to play the full meal deal as I perceive it (which is the Late Arena at the moment),l whenever I want to (you should hear me scream when my connection gets porked).
Take that away, even partially and people will find other games to play.
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its an... erm interesting concept, cant say i ove it but i dnt hate it, will be and end to LA-7 dweebs, but will ruin killing em in p40's! lol i will miss the larger numbers communitly side, got to know many top guys, everything seems to be split up and well theyve took apart the lego model, shaken the box,.. but not put it back together... yet tho, hope things will turn up ok, hope to see alll you guys in the air soon
.... and the part about old planes on old planes,,,,,,, isnt that what scenarios are for.. along with the real situations, i think it will shake of the more social players, but grip the historians by the neck and not let go, anyway,
must dayou will now me by hulse2 in game :( :huh :mad:
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I like this idea but its going to really fragment the population. It already has. There needs to be some fundemental programming changes in order for this to work.
We need more than ever to have a buddy list! A way to see who is on and what arena they are in.
We also need a way to communicate between the arenas.
Dont underestimate the importance of flying with our friends! We shouldnt have to plan ahead or search through 4 arenas everytime we log in.
I personally think that a rotating plane set would be the best solution but if were going to be stuck with this, we really need a way to communicate!!
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I like it.
People were complaining about hordes. Now this should thin it out. Less targets for pickers Id think too. Whatever you meet will likely be a good match now. Im looking forward to the forums for the next couple weeks.
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I dont see this beeing done due to a vocal minority.
Reason I see this beeing implement is...
To make more planes viable!
Why because soon CT is gonna result in new planes beeing made and planes beeing remade as tours of earlier periods get added.
What happens with these planes?
Do they sit on the side lines and only get usage in special events now and then and in that certain CT Campaing.
Imho that seems like a crap load of wasted man hours by the art department.
Tex
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I don't see this as a good idea. That's just my opinion though, I may be wrong. With a lower size limit on the main arenas, the most popular one will fill up fast. I that happens to be the one I like and I can't get on, I just will not play. If that happens on a frequent basis I'll just drop my account. I really don't want to be told what planes I can fly and how.
With the large numbers of players on at any givin time in the last year I was hoping that the small arenas would go away. No such luck I guess. In stead we get this. I'm bummed :(
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i know that pyro wants things kept in his post, but i don't want this being lost in a huge number of complaints...
i think the idea, in concept is great, but there are a few changes i'd make to improve it, otherwise i can see this splitting the community.
what i'd suggest is that HTC gets rid of one of the late war arenas, it's a bit of a waste of space IMHO. second, i think it might be a much better idea to enable all planes in the late war MA, so that we can still have it as it was, for those resistant to change, while the mid-war contains all planes, apart from the later variants, and then that the early war contains just the early war.
it means that each arena isn't totally different, just that the earlier ones are slightly more limited.
as most people have probably noticed, people are happy in concept, but fear that it's too different to how it was.
just thought i'd drop my thoughts in. it's a great idea, but limiting the planeset so much is already irritating people, which, while inevitable, is still not a good sign...
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Originally posted by Gman8
Until this morning AHII was a WWII sim (and a damned good one)...now its just a game designed to meet the needs of a handful of elitist who want to tailor the game to their specific desires.
Holy n00bie batman!
The AHII main arena was never a WWII sim, it was a strategy game that uses WWII equipment.
Rooks/knights/bishops, does that sound like WWII to you?
P51s fighing against P51s?
Late war planes vs early war planes?
At least now the last element has been removed, so it is actually closer to being a WWII sim now than before.
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as a previous poster pointed out
something new to gripe about... now I'm waiting for people to choose up sides and start calling each other names. By the way I want the patent on 'strat rats'.
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If it's not broke dont fix it! I hate the new set-up. Now people are gonna float from one arena to the next so they can have numbers. This is gonna create a huge imbalance. People getting beat in one arena will run off to another and vice versa. Its gonna create a 3 arena score potato frenzy. I have made this game my hobby for almost five years, but i think this is gonna prove to be the selling point for saving $14.95 a month.
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Their only needs to be two sides not three. Our numbers cant support three sides to three different areas.
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Whatever floats your boat Gryffin...but if you think this will improve the game you're sadly mistaken. It will go back to an MA stlye format or HTC will go out of business (or at least move to cheaper digs) within 90 days. Either way, they've lost my business as well as many others if you judge by the posts here. But hey bud, you keep sending them your pennies...maybe it will all work out.
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Funny I don't feel fractured...:huh
Can't wait to jump in the Early War Arena after work.:aok
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Hitech how about a dev update on CT. This is like the first I've heard in 4 or 5 months.
The faithful await man!
Valkyrie
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Originally posted by Gman8
Whatever floats your boat Gryffin...but if you think this will improve the game you're sadly mistaken.
You're right, each to their own. Sorry I called you a newb.
I still think this will be a positive change, and we should all play in the new arenas for a few weeks before passing judgement.
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I have given it a try. Preliminary vote.. don't like it. Great concept, but I enjoy the numbers and the plane varieties. Two late war arenas are virtually empty. It is like flying at 6:00am, not 6:00pm. The early war arena has the numbers, but not the plane sets. The late war has the choice plane sets, but few people are flying there.
I agree with a previous post, cut one of the late war Arenas and combine them. Or maybe cut the arenas to two... early-mid war, and mid to late war.
Just my opinion though.
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I never understood why squad size limits weren't enough for the players. When you squad fills up, just start another and call it XXXXX Deux. Some squads have entire Wings with a bomber squad, attack squad, fighter squad etc etc etc.
Imo, that affected the horde mentality more than anything else.
This new arena setup addresses that issue quite nicely with the lower limits on arena populations.
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Are the squad rosters going to pass over, or do we have to re-invite everyone?
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Originally posted by Elfie
I never understood why squad size limits weren't enough for the players. When you squad fills up, just start another and call it XXXXX Deux. Some squads have entire Wings with a bomber squad, attack squad, fighter squad etc etc etc.
Imo, that affected the horde mentality more than anything else.
This new arena setup addresses that issue quite nicely with the lower limits on arena populations.
Thats us! ;) We are a bomber GROUP (4 squads)
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i know its been said before, but i think this is gonna turn alot of people off to this game. There is issues with my squad already. Some guyz like the early stuff, some like late stuff. We sholdnt have to jump arena's to fly the planes we like. You know the reset geeks are gonna jump to the areana where they have numbers. Ihavent even flown one sortie i the new setup and already hate it. Gonna have to jump from arena to arena to find squaddies. This wasnt a good idea and i hope HT changes it back. As far as other war arena's, thats great. I say bring'em on, but leave the Main the way it was. I have seen the number of players grow alot in five years so the old way must not have been to bad.
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Squads are the same across the arenas. No need for re-invites. The squad MOTD also carries across the arenas.
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Originally posted by Gary26
Ihavent even flown one sortie i the new setup and already hate it.
Give it a try at least. I spent about 2 hrs in the Early War arena today, enjoyed it. Haven't had that much fun in MA for ages, in fact.
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Turn 1 late war arena to a GVing arena with a rotaition of a few TT maps!:D :D
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Since I'm new to this, and have no commitment to "the way things were in AHII", I like the concept.
I've always had a fondness for the early to mid WWII planes anyways, so the idea of going into the MA with a P40E while others were flying the later (and better) rides kept me out of the MA. Going to the better planes really didn't make sense to me because I lack the skills to take advantage of the higher perfomance (I liken this to being a new shooter and buying a $1500 - $3000 race gun because that's what the top shooters use; they have the skill to use the extra little extra nuances the race gun brings, but the new shooter would be better off with a more basic gun to just gain firearm handling and shooting basics with - as skill rises, then get the [slightly] better gun).
I was just in the new arena areas and noticed an awful lot of the flying was being done in the "Early" arena - what joy, flying a P40E without worrying about the '45 propeller driven race and turn wagons!
But I think the short answer is "Give some time and we'll see".
In Pursuit,
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To be frank I dont like it :mad: now i will however give it a week or two tro adjust. lets hope it all works out
Skuzzy pryo Hitech...ext
P.S. I do like that HTC is taking some anisitve.:aok
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complain all u want do u think hi tek will change anything now we got 4 arenas and only 1 where anyone was fighting and that ws almost full,i personaly dont want to go and fight against 14 rooks and 10 knights like in the arena i just went to mainly because i couldnt find them,as for gvs t34s in early war are useless fighting against each other,and in late war no one was in thgvs at all.
shooting self in foots seems to be the order of the day
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I dont like this idea its almost as bad as turning KS on in the DA.:furious I was hoping for more new planes and gv's. I dont feel like going into why i dont like the arena change because i know my opinion means nothing. I havent been playing as much as I use to and now ill probably play even less.
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Im quiting after a week of this I HATE this idea.
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With that 200 player arena cap. Everytime a TT map comes up, that arena is going to be swamped with players. With people sitting in line on the loggin screen clicking every 30 seconds. Just imagine how pissed someone is going to be when they get disco'd, and can't log back into the arena cause it's full.
JMFJ
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Originally posted by Patches1
I fly early morning (0630- 0900) Pacific Coast USA time. It is difficult enough to find a fight in the MA when we have 90, or so, players online between 3 Countries; now you wish to further divide this player base by 4, and each arena by 3 again, and this math only assumes aircraft, not the divisions of PTs, GVs, Bombers, Fighters/Attack aircraft and expect us early morning fliers to find some kind of a fight in ANY mode? Whom are you kidding?
I left WarBirds because of this kind of thinking...
Well think of it like this, you will have your own arena to pad them scores and get lots of perk points! yes indeed, you'll be able to bomb strat targets, take gv/air bases with little to no opposition. Why heck in a month you could go from an average score of oh say 1500 right down to single and double digits! Simply look for the arena with the fewest players (this shouldn't be hard to do during the hours you play) and pad your score!!! When your done padding your score in the empty arena go find a arena that has someone in it to work on your fighter perks.
Geez :furious :furious :furious
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You know, as negative as I feel about the idea and the impact it may make on the game, the Early War furball @ A1 is a lot of good clean ACM fun!
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EM and about all the other knights HATE IT. So could u please put it back how it was.
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Holy crap!
Dales done it to me again....I could have lost an entire paycheck or two if Id been offered a bet on this a few days ago. As with all things AH, I will try it, and only after giving it a very fair opportunity to make me happy, will I come back here and scream and curse all in caps about how much this sucks........all we have to find out now is if I need to use the tag or not:D
On another note...its clear we did not get Dale drunk enough at the con....this sort of info should have easily been discovered by our Pilates spy....I knew putting the recording microphone in Dales shoe was a bad idea.:O
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I find it odd that the Early War Arena is the one with the big numbers...
Lambo
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this is totally messed up, why fix something if it isn't broken... IMO the game is ruined... and I am considering handing in my subscription...
:(
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To say that the MA was fine as it was is a total joke.
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Regardless of the fact that it was our 14.95 that got HT to this point i think we are gonna be stuck with this multi-arena crap. Or go spend 14.95 else where.
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Originally posted by lambo31
I find it odd that the Early War Arena is the one with the big numbers...
Lambo
Its default when u log in!
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Originally posted by Stang
To say that the MA was fine as it was is a total joke.
OMG I agree with stang.
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You know the concept of this dosn't really bother me but for a company who has so often said it dosn't want to split the community I must admit I'm astounded.
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Originally posted by wipass
If you divide the community you will lose it. It's the community that makes a game like this. Fracture the community like warbirds did and the game falls apart.
Listening to a very vocal minority destroyed warbirds eventually, there ends the history lesson.
wipass
Well put Wipass you hit the nail square on the head
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Don't like it .
i've been hopping between the arena's all night and in every arena there
seem's to be a dominant country in each arena
and come on WHO is gonna pay 529 Perks for a ride in a 262
(late war 2 @ 9pm cet)
IMHO this is gonna kill a few squads as everyone will want to
stay in there own favorite time zone
i can understand 2 MA's early & late
but 4 then DA & AvA ?:noid
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Originally posted by Stang
To say that the MA was fine as it was is a total joke.
We agree on that.....not sure this is the way to go....ahh who knows...maybe 4 arenas with a cap of 700 someday.:eek:
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How many flew AW? If this turns out to be anything like that, I'm all for it. What is this really going to affect? All those talking about the community being split, I ain't buying it. Let's face it, the community hates each other. Now those who like the early stuff and those the late can fly happily. And if the horde is on the roll in one arena, now you have other options besides logging.
The only thing I liked that was mentioned was the keeping of the old early planes throughout the other arenas. So that if you choose to, you can fly a hurri1 in the late war arena.
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So we lose most the maps & can't find our squaddies just so we can have "fair" fights? This sucks.
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Cheers, was a PHUCK'n AWESOME game,
Cheers
Last thread, last bill:furious unless the MA comes back, this blows,
just so you understand how hard it is to get people into a mission, when your not in a squad, then take a base, try it now. Im sorry I ordered pedals
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To quote the guy in Robocop,
"Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii LIKE it!"
Bring on teh new planes! I'm seeing some Oscars, some early Kis, an I-16 or two, a Mossie II (hell, the external model is the same, just no drop tanks).
Yumminess.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
9/13
Never Forget!:noid
As much as Waffle blows, this is the funniest watermelon Ive seen in a long time! :rofl :lol :rofl
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Okay here's a novel thought..
Now bear with me and think this through for a minute or two before you start typing and telling me how stupid I am. Are you ready? Maybe you should smoke a cigarette or whatever you do to calm yourself down.
Are you SURE you're ready?
Okay here goes. Nobody will ever know if this is a good thing or a bad thing until EVERYBODY gives it a chance to see what happens. Geez you guys expect Hitech to be able to satisfy EVERYBODY with EVERY decision he makes? Get past your prepubescent selves (even if you're way over 15) and give it a chance to work or not work.
We are being offered choices here ladies and gentlemen. If you don't like a certain arena or you can't log on to play in the arena you want or whateEVER bothers you feel free to cancel your account but please for the love of GOD don't leave a freaking suicide note about it on the boards. Email Hitech and tell him why you're leaving. You never know if enough people leave over the change he might change it back. Now here's the flip side to that argument. What if it works? Did you ever think about that? I mean really. What if, and I'm taking a bit of a stretch here, everything evens out and the landgrabbers gravitate to one era and the furballers gravitate to another? OH MY GOD WE'VE SETTLED TWO GRIPES WITH ONE STONE!!!!!
You know in all seriousness some of the posts I read on this board make me wonder if I'm interacting with someone who is 12 and has great writing skills or a really immature 40 year old.
Bottom line is if you hate the new set up then just quit. Don't post about it, don't tell us about it, just cancel your account. Idle threats are boring and really waste a lot of everybodys time. Or try to make constructive suggestions about how to make things better instead of throwing a tantrum.
Everything in ANY business is a work in progress with fluid customer desires and 'needs'. The businesses that address those desires and needs the best and most economical ways are the ones that succeed. AT LEAST HTC IS FREAKING TRYING INSTEAD OF SAYING 'HERE'S YOUR PLACE TO PLAY DEAL WITH IT'.
Geez... some of you people are just amazing. It's SIXTEEN DOLLARS AND TWO CENTS A MONTH!!! If that breaks your bank then perhaps you should save your money for raman noodles or something.
Yes.. congratulations... the whining, griping, sniping, personal attacks on each other, and revisiting the same subject over and over and over and over and over and over again have pushed me over my diplomatic edge.
Either offer constructive criticism as to what you think in your own expert opinion from owning your own company that offers a similar product or for the love of all that is good and holy..... SHUT UP.
And by the way for everybody that wants to flame me after this post... look at the ceiling... I'm pointing at it, with one finger, figure out which one.
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After all you guys quit gameplay should improve. :D
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Good post Dichotomy:aok
Superdud "All those talking about the community being split, I ain't buying it. Let's face it, the community hates each other."
:rofl
Although I don't think that's completely true. It's pretty close.
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Very interesting and appealing. I've got a sudden itch to get the old rusty, dusty hotas working.
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If there is one thing to change, it would be to put the Late War 2 arena first on the arena list and go ahead and activate the old planes... but, there could be a good reason for that ( vulching perk point bonusus, maybe? )
Anyway..
Why I like the new setup...
Suddenly, a formation of JU88s with 109 and 190 escorts is something to be feared.
Suddenly a whole lot of other planes.. SBD, TBM, JU87 become useful because there are no late-war JABOs around that do the job faster and better.
You can play land-grab and not be subjected to goon-killing LA7s and 262s.
I do think that now there are some holes in plane sets that will become apparent.. ( We can use the B17 E and F now!! ) so maybe those will be filled eventually.
I could go on and on..
At least something has been done to attempt to change the current environment.
HTC!!
Thank you!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Its default when u log in!
So if AvA was default then it would have the numbers?? How about the Training Arena if it was default??
Lambo
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Originally posted by SuperDud
How many flew AW? If this turns out to be anything like that, I'm all for it. What is this really going to affect? All those talking about the community being split, I ain't buying it. Let's face it, the community hates each other. Now those who like the early stuff and those the late can fly happily. And if the horde is on the roll in one arena, now you have other options besides logging.
Amen. I seem to recall those old AW arenas developed their own styles and personalities based on the squads that haunted each of them. Being able to bounce around when it got stale was a good thing too.
So quitcher*****en and lets make these suckers work :)
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i would also like to put forward the notion to trim the arena's down to
early-mid
mid-late
and one for the gv freaks
at the moment its just overkill
at the end of the day its up to you HTC and your finance board, i really enjoyed the original setup, maybe in turn ill enjoy the new setup, after a few tweaks here and there, but then again maybe i wont, there are always other games i suppose
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Gentlemen, how about reserving opinions until after the new set-up is running for a week or so.
Geez, the knee-jerk whining is rediculous.... Any arena is what the players make it.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by lambo31
So if AvA was default then it would have the numbers?? How about the Training Arena if it was default??
Lambo
I'm just saying out of the new arenas, EWA is what pops up when logging in. And right now you are going to see higher #'s because of that. This will change in my opinion as peeps investigate and make their choices! :aok
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Originally posted by Widewing
Gentlemen, how about reserving opinions until after the new set-up is running for a week or so.
Geez, the knee-jerk whining is rediculous.... Any arena is what the players make it.
My regards,
Widewing
Obviously I concur
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Originally posted by bozon
MAGNIFICENT! :aok
Back to small maps and reasonable numbers + appropriate matchups.
This will be interesting:
Will the JU87 actually be a fearsom attack plane?
Will the mosquito actually be a fast ride now?
Attack planes actually carrying more bombs that the common fighter?
lol :D
A contradiction? The complaint of the large maps was that the fights were far and few between. Removing large maps and keeping one arena would make a very populated furballing environment that you are kind of eluding to. Removing the large maps and reducing the numbers by over 60% would benifit your idea of what?
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a poem by Simshell
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_____________________________ ____
as skys
fill
of pilots who knew of no duty then to there Lgays
and Tiffs
a moment in time has happen
when the God of HTC rose from the sun
and sent thunder from his CODE BOX
into the arena's of time and space
never have so many whined
for so long
nor have any heard so many
in the history of our game
for our day comes to a end
and as
screams go into the air for changes thought amazingly dweebish
and sad
screams of 15 dollers
screams of mustangs from the fields of fighter squads
and bomber streams
to unleash there HO's on the aces and beyond
in there Niks of hell
o never have a Community stand so spilt over somthing so trivial as a video game
of ours.
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Will this sell?
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They just need some time to get it figured out. I do HOPE they bring back MAIN other wise I'll have a AH2 subscription for my squad and a warbirds subscription for MA as I was told they have a main arena LOL. Just kidding I'll wait and see. I'll be happy in the DA for now hehe.
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Why should it be surprising to anyone that the early war arena is the most popular? The only thing anyone does in the late war rides is cruise around looking for early war birds they can bounce and run away from. Now that we removed all their targets, the late war guys have nothing left to shoot at, except other planes just as fast as they are, and that cant be any fun can it?
Bah.
Sure the concept needs a bit of tweaking, but I think its the best idea they've had since AH1.
*Edit
Oh, and Krusty, the F4F-3 did NOT have a 6-gun option. That was one of the biggest complaints of guys switching to the F4F-4, that even though it had 6 MGs, it had less ammo available.
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I would like to commend HTC and their staff for actually trying somethign different, when they knew how resistant many of the AH community members would be.
I think its a nice, fresh spin on a great game, and I have confidence that after a week or two of tweaking and the community feeling eveything out, this new setup will be better than before.
The onlyt wish I would have is that some sort of squad tracker utility be created and merged with the game so squaddies/buddies can keep track of one another throughout the various arenas.
I am thoroughly enjoying this new setup so far!!! GREAT fights in the EWA (all I have been able to get into).
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dont like the idea......
since we are splitting the numbers, are we going back to simple 100 base maps?
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Argh! Ok ... I don't care what it takes .... my timeline for getting back in the game has just accelerated.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
what i'd suggest is that HTC gets rid of one of the late war arenas, it's a bit of a waste of space IMHO. second, i think it might be a much better idea to enable all planes in the late war MA, so that we can still have it as it was, for those resistant to change, while the mid-war contains all planes, apart from the later variants, and then that the early war contains just the early war.
I agree completely.. Maybe limit the late war MA to 350-400 players, but one of them has to go..
Right now we have too many options and they are all restricting in one form or another.. The community needs a place where all options and aspects of the game are available..
I also think this is going to be detrimental to the squad format.. Most squads do not plan on where they are going to play from night to night, nor do I believe anyone will.
For myself, I log on just hoping to see some of my squad mates, let alone worry about which arena they might be in.
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IMHO, This stinks. I've never really had any probs with the changes HTC has made to the game, until now.
I rarely fly the uber planes (LA-7, 262, 51-D, Tempest) but enjoy shooting them down with the lesser aircraft (LA-5, 109-F, Mossie). Looks like all that is going to come to a stop.
Rather than install new aircraft (B-29, PBY, A-26) and perk them, they perk the Lancaster. Yes those deadly, .303 plinking, slow climbing Lanks are perk birds.:huh
I think somebody has spiked the HTC coffee pot.:furious
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I am in LOVE with the Early War Arena.
Some great duels going on in there and quality, ACM based fights. And you all thought all I could do was BnZ.
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ok guys let's look at it from this angle. It's the weekend and your logging on planning to join your Squadies for a few hours of entertainment only to find out your squadies are in Late Arena 2 and since this is the weekend when most players are on, both late arenas are full since each of the Late arena's only hold 200 peeps. Now your forced into a arena you don't want to be in (now mind you this could be any of the arenas that are full).
Here's a little scenario I can see happening a lot also, The most popular arena's which ever they might be, let's just say the early arena, headcount as follows 110 Bish, 60 knits and 80 Rooks, No way to even out numbers because Arena is full and in this scenario guess who will be dominating in that arena?
Just some food for thought as it seems this whole thing was not thought out that well.
And as for you Hind end smoochers Flame on!
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I haven't logged onto the new arena format yet, so I can't weigh in with a love it or hate it (that'll have to wait a couple of days until I get a feel for how things work).But I do wonder why, when making such large changes, HTC doesn't ask its community for suggestions on how to address problems it is facing.
I know they would have to wade through five or so pages of whines, complaints, etc., but they also might get some ideas for alternatives that might work better at reducing levels in the MA, if that's the point (such as maybe starting a theater aimed mostly at gvs, or maybe a pacific theater for guys who like pretty blue planes and a europe theater for those who have no taste).
There are a lot of smart people out there who really want what's best for the game. It would probably be best for the game (and good pr too) to put that braintrust to use considering the problem and offering alternatives.
Now I know it's Hitech's baby and he can do whatever he wants with it, but I know most businesses don't institute major changes without first doing some market tests. This might turn out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread or it could turn out to be as popular as the new Coke. To me, it just would have made sense to consider as many alternatives as possible before making such a drastic change
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ditto - thanks HT
just need smaller maps to match the smaller numbers and it will be perfect
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A P-47 D25 would be nice to have, even perked, in the mid-war arena.
As a member of a Jug squad, 56th FG, I hear alot of our guys annoyed that we are basicly pushed to the late war arena by haveing 3 of the 4 P47's only avaliable there.
It just doesn't make sense to some of us when we see a spit-9 in the 'early' war arena.
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:O :O :O :O
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
operation "Get my oscar back to the MA" must kicked into high gear!
but can it get even better?
WWI or the Korean War
-Pyro
:O :O :O :D
Dee Dee Dee!
<<<<<>>>>>>
*faints*....thud:aok
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Originally posted by simshell
a poem by Simshell
_
_____________________________ ____
as skys
fill
of pilots who knew of no duty then to there Lgays
and Tiffs
a moment in time has happen
when the God of HTC rose from the sun
and sent thunder from his CODE BOX
into the arena's of time and space
never have so many whined
for so long
nor have any heard so many
in the history of our game
for our day comes to a end
and as
screams go into the air for changes thought amazingly dweebish
and sad
screams of 15 dollers
screams of mustangs from the fields of fighter squads
and bomber streams
to unleash there HO's on the aces and beyond
in there Niks of hell
o never have a Community stand so spilt over somthing so trivial as a video game
of ours.
Thiss belongs i a book.
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Me too! The early war arena requires new tatcicas and is great for experimenting. Jabos are less effective and the early war bombers (JU-88s and JU-87s) become more important.
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Originally posted by BluKitty
A P-47 D25 would be nice to have, even perked, in the mid-war arena.
SNIP
this i have to agree with as a guy that has found true enjoyment in the jug series but doesn't really care for the caged feeling of the d-11 this would give me a reason to do something other then log off when the numbers made flight time too boring or just plan stoped me from logging into the late war main.
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Awesome!
Just need a P39, P61 and B29 then we are set. Oh, and a P80...maybe a Ki43 and a Ki100...and some other stuff too. An M4A3 and a M24 and a M26. Mebbe a Panther D and some stuff.....
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Pollling the community would result in B-29s dropping atomic weapons and exploding dogs running underneath tigers to blow them up.
Just, off the top of me head.
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I like it.:aok
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
ok guys let's look at it from this angle. It's the weekend and your logging on planning to join your Squadies for a few hours of entertainment only to find out your squadies are in Late Arena 2 and since this is the weekend when most players are on, both late arenas are full since each of the Late arena's only hold 200 peeps. Now your forced into a arena you don't want to be in (now mind you this could be any of the arenas that are full).
Here's a little scenario I can see happening a lot also, The most popular arena's which ever they might be, let's just say the early arena, headcount as follows 110 Bish, 60 knits and 80 Rooks, No way to even out numbers because Arena is full and in this scenario guess who will be dominating in that arena?
Just some food for thought as it seems this whole thing was not thought out that well.
And as for you Hind end smoochers Flame on!
Good points sir
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Even in early WW2, there were biplanes. The Sopwith Camel was a fearsome plane in WW1, and extemely dangerous to fly; As many RAF pilots were killed by the planes alone than by the Germans. I can't wait for the wood and canvas planes. (along w/B25)
I also sense this change is a large step towards CT.
to HTC!!!! No reward has ever been made without risk.
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I jumped to a late arena earlier to find NO Knights even in the arena. So just to try it out I took 2 bases SOLO. Now if anyone wants to get HUGE rank and perk bonuses I guess this is ok.
Other than that I think this stinks. It WAYYY to much divides us. I like flying with my squad, this makes it a TOTAL PITA!!!! Is there at least a way to communicate with your squad mates between arenas other than MOTD. I am sorry if thats been addressed but I don't have time to read every post right now. I love flying certain planes and saying that I can't get my perkies in a P40 because my mates are in the late arena is BS. Here's my 2 cents
"FTS"
PS Sounds like "truck this sheet"
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i can't even get into the arenas.....i get an instant "host connection lost" message :furious
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I can't believe no one had brought this up yet, so I must have just missed it . . .
Without changing when ENY kicks in, this setup is unworkable. 85 to 76 to 28 in the late war 2 arena, no eny limit. In fact, an ENY limit is IMPOSSIBLE unless the arena is completely full.
This in no way "limits hording by spreading them out" as some have claimed. This makes hording far worse. Change when ENY kicks in and/or make it a 2 sided war, or else these arenas are just too small to self-balance.
Also, 2 arenas are near their limit, and 2 less than 25%. If the server capacity is now 900 (assumed since 250+250+200+200=900), is there any way to make the capacity "float" to arenas that are almost full from those that have plenty of room?
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I like this move,but early arena is full and I cant get in, tried several times.Must be where the afore mentioned herd is.
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for the same reason that nothing happens in a condo commitee.
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Originally posted by baine1
snip
There are a lot of smart people out there who really want what's best for the game.
There might be a few of those smart people on the HTC staff, too....with insider information and stuff, even.
Just a thought :)
culero
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You've officially screwed up Aces High the same way Warbirds screwed up their arenas, now look at Warbirds, maybe 100 people in there right now. So congratulations, I'm taking my $15 elsewhere.
oldcro
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You can´t run a company by polls.
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First of all let me add my "This Sucks" to the list.
Secondly, the MOTD for squads won't work. Who sets the MOTD? The CO? Wonder if he doesn't fly? Ok say he does, the MOTD works for a specific time, not the entire day. So someone gets on late and they are waiting for people to show up, but everyone has moved the the fuller arena. MOTD wasted.
What you need to do, (if junking this whole thing is not an option) is set up a display that shows up how many of your squadron is in each arena.
You might want to expand this to include the a readout on sides as well.
The ultimate would tell you what squadies are in each arena but lets not push our luck.
And yes this is going to break squadrons up and fracture the community. Already people who like flying "late war" aircraft such are going to get seperated from their mates who end up in the other arenas.
What this appears to be is an attempt to appease the complainers who want to do nothing other than take off and fly straight into a fight and go around in circles without worrying that a faster BnZ plane is going to bounce them.
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Just do somrthing for the people who play GV's. 34 on 34 is not it and forget the other aerna's, not good maps for any GV play
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I wonder if they relize that this is based on WW2. Not the late 50's,60's,70's, or 80's, 90's / Korea / Vietnam / Cold War programs. Later wars had less planes doing more work for one aircraft - multi-tasking. But modern planes could haul more bombs or weapons. And deal with more electronics / radar equipment. WW2 invasions deal with hundreds and thousands of planes in the air at one time. Some with less amounts of aircraft for recon support, etc. Amazing that I stood in county outside of Germany in a cementary in Lexumburg were 40,000 allied troops (34,000 Americans) fell in an invasion. 34,000 Germany troops fell. WW2 dealed with alot of invasion forces and multiple of planes because they could not haul the amount of ordance to drop alot of equipment and buildings.That is why its called an invasion or Invasion force. Look up Omaha Beach or the Battle of Britian, etc.
They finally listen to the tree huggers! They - (the tree huggers & cry baby's) - don't understand what WW2 invasion force is. The dumb prettythang need to get a clue and read some history books. Quite looking at the pictures. Has ACES HIGH ever talk to a WW2, Korea & Vietnam pilots. I have many times. I also work and restore WW2 , Korea & Vietnam war flying and nonflying aircraft in a museum.
I think the new arena changes stink. I joined and findly get use to some of the planes I like to fly and then you change the thing with us being able to fly with your squadron. You limit space & take away aircraft I enjoy flying. I don't like paying to be a ginnie pig! Not for any software producer! It would maybe be ok if you still have the main arena available. I see one plane I really enjoyed flying. That just sucks! I am going to give it a try. But I still may look at some other web sites
- GGhost :furious
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I say we all STFU and play nice in hope that if we're really really gud we might get Korea :)
culero (Sabres vs MiGs = mad fun!)
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The announcement said:
Thanks to your patronage Aces High has grown to the point where a single Main Arena is no longer a sufficient solution. It is time for us to move beyond a single main arena.
Can we get some more info as to why this particular change was necessary?
I've been flying in here five years this week. I have never encountered a full arena. I don't haunt the forums, but I've never seen rampant complaints about service that would appear to be numbers related.
I can't understand why my patronage has suddenly decreased the capacity of HTs servers?
Lately, (the last two weeks) I have encountered problems with FT. such as warping, etc. But in other bases I've seen no problems.
I can't understand how a server that used to be able to handle 500+ folks a night can now only handle theaters divided up into 200 fliers per night.
I can't imagine HTC would willingly fragment its customer base _ a base that I think everyone would agree would list camaraderie and community as the main reasons they continue to fly year after year.
I also can't imagine that this was done on a whim or as some sort of an experiment.
I also wonder why we couldn't have waited until CT debuted to see what effect it had on reducing numbers in the main arena. If, as we have been told, CT is coming soon, won't that reduce the numbers in the main arena that our patronage have created?
So. can someone explain why this change was needed? I would be much more willing to accept change if I was given good reason other than some vague feel-good press release type info. I've always thought that HTC had great respect for their customers and their needs, I'm disappointed that such a big change was announced with the same type of "1984" type rhetoric.
What were the problems that led to this? Why is this the best solution possible? What other solutions were considered and why were they rejected?
I think those are all valid questions. And, as I am sure there were valid reasons for the decision being made, I like to hear them.
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Originally posted by Nifty
Guys, if this turns out to be a bad idea, I'm sure Hitech and Pyro will revert back to the old arena and say "We screwed up, guys. We'll come up with another solution for our MA population issue."
As it is, give it a chance, it might work out.
Also, as someone said, the 109F-4 is more than capable of handling the Spit V. Of course, it leaves very little choice in that arena. Those two planes will probably dominate.
Dude....this isn't about a solution to an over populated main. If so, they coulda capped the MA1 at 275 and the MA2 (remember that one?) at 275 players, left the full planeset in both MA's and the over populated main arena problem would have been solved. No, given what we do know, this is about being forced into someone elses idea of what is "Enjoyable" or what we should consider to be enjoyable and so on and so on.... Its a bad idea...and "I" will tell my entertainment provider what i like...not the reverse. I dont like it for several reasons..mainly because of its potential to cause division within squads due to Arena Caps. But mostly because it looks like an attempt to force some players to choose between flying what they dont like, be forced into a "Learning curve" (Different planes) or cancling their account. But i have more think about besides my "self" as a Squad CO don't I?
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LOL now i cant even fly all areas are full some have like 4 people in it wow.. just WOW i didn pay 15$ to sit and wait for room..
I love the idea HT just need to up the numbers 100 or 50 more
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Then you'd better tell all those companies who pay for market research they are being ripped off. They'd probably like to hear it.
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Squad? Oh, yeah, I'm a member of one of the big ones. Pity I can't FIND any of them, so I'm playing in an empty arena.
Time to catch up on my reading.
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Originally posted by NCLawman
... cut one of the late war Arenas and combine them. Or maybe cut the arenas to two... early-mid war, and mid to late war...
makes sense to me.
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The announcement said:
Thanks to your patronage Aces High has grown to the point where a single Main Arena is no longer a sufficient solution. It is time for us to move beyond a single main arena.
Can we get some more info as to why this particular change was necessary?
I've been flying in here five years this week. I have never encountered a full arena. I don't haunt the forums, but I've never seen rampant complaints about service that would appear to be numbers related.
I can't understand why my patronage has suddenly decreased the capacity of HTs servers?
Lately, (the last two weeks) I have encountered problems with FT. such as warping, etc. But in other bases I've seen no problems.
I can't understand how a server that used to be able to handle 500+ folks a night can now only handle theaters divided up into 200 fliers per night.
I can't imagine HTC would willingly fragment its customer base _ a base that I think everyone would agree would list camaraderie and community as the main reasons they continue to fly year after year.
I also can't imagine that this was done on a whim or as some sort of an experiment.
I also wonder why we couldn't have waited until CT debuted to see what effect it had on reducing numbers in the main arena. If, as we have been told, CT is coming soon, won't that reduce the numbers in the main arena that our patronage have created?
So. can someone explain why this change was needed? I would be much more willing to accept change if I was given good reason other than some vague feel-good press release type info. I've always thought that HTC had great respect for their customers and their needs, I'm disappointed that such a big change was announced with the same type of "1984" type rhetoric.
What were the problems that led to this? Why is this the best solution possible? What other solutions were considered and why were they rejected?
I think those are all valid questions. And, as I am sure there were valid reasons for the decision being made, I like to hear them.
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Originally posted by uberhun
Oh no not Change:O Not when I was getting so used to getting Hoed by newbs:mad: Please not that.......Anything but change. You go Hitech. It was getting pretty stale in the MA. I am actually looking forward to some flight time tonight :aok
You dont think you will get hoed now?:rolleyes:
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I was wondering why all posts critical of the change are being closed?
I thought this was the AH general discussion area? If you can't discuss a change as big as this, what's the point of a forum?
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No sir, I don't like it
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Mr_Horse_GI.gif)
I'm starting to lean toward using my 14.95 a month to get a bunch of 8-bit nintendo games a month...........
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Originally posted by baine1
I was wondering why all posts critical of the change are being closed?
I thought this was the AH general discussion area? If you can't discuss a change as big as this, what's the point of a forum?
You're free to discuss it all you want, that's why I opened this thread. That doesn't mean you can open unlimited threads that duplicate the subject of this one or start flame-wars between each other.
You've opened two or three threads on this topic, just post to this one. We'll read it. Your previous ones are have been merged into here.
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had to leave for awhile and now the only aerna open only has 38 people. You are treating people wrong HT, people who have been paying customer for years.
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Originally posted by aztec
You know the concept of this dosn't really bother me but for a company who has so often said it dosn't want to split the community I must admit I'm astounded.
;)
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The new areana isnt bad i completly see why they did it. I would have taken difrent steps towords it though..
Hiteach Skuzzy Pryo.....a few things not complaining just wondering/ questions. The 613th SOS JG44 and 68 lighting lancers we were all in the Mid war areana becouse both late and early war where full. SO the 3 of our squads joined up rolled over the whole map we won the war and were "awward perk points" and we were all looking fowarad to a new map... but heres the thing we log back on to fine the same map we were on Baltic jsut rotated sides and that only some of the guys who were on recivied perk points.......thats pretty much it...
P.S. the new areana set up isnt that bad has a lot of flaus in it but over time i hope they will work out. Its jsut going to take some corraporation from the HTC comunity and some patcience to get use to things...like pyro said old habbits die hard...
all lets jsut try this new areana set up and hope it works for the best i mean what harm could it do to give it a shoot:aok
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Perfect example of why this is stupid. Got a good war going on in the Late war2 arena. Even numbers. yada yada yada. Rooks decide they are getting picked on and log. Now bish and nits have an ENY penalty of 39.9. So we pay the 14.95 a month so why should we have to jump from arena to arena to keep a fight going. We have worked all evening on a battle and now we cant even up planes or a dam ostwind to finish the job. Way to go! Looks like my 14.95 is becoming a worthless investment.
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Here my 2 cents worth: The overall concept of dividing the main arena into several separate arenas based on time periods to improve the quality of game play is a good one. Cliché – It levels the playing field and allows for one’s survival to rely more on skill and team work than hardware alone. However the lack of connections to all of the arenas may be detrimental to certain squads over long periods of time. I was surprised that I had to wait almost 45 minutes tonight just to log into the early war arena where my squad was due to the fact that the arena was full. Fortunate for me I had the time to kill tonight. In doing so I also noticed that in each arena, certain countries were heavily outnumbered. This too may tend to cause a lack of interest. Changing the strategies and the concepts of the initial game play in order to maintain a fresh gaming environment is one thing but if individual squads and player relationships are affected by the changes that that’s another. I would have no problem with the divided arenas if there were sufficient numbers allowed to log into each one. I have never had a problem logging into the old main arena, why should I have one now? If I wanted to wait on line for a ride I'll go to a six flags amusement park.
Edit: P.S. It is going to be wierd watching WHELS defend a GV base in a T34 instead of a tiger. Just not quite the same.
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Just tried to log in. It's 10 pm EST. The EWA & LWA are totally full. Waited 15 looong min. to get into the LWA to see plane sets. I finally got in as the #200 player. Looked at roster. 34 total Rooks on & they can have no more because of the dumb cap. I normally hate the Rooks, but come on. Then I tried to up a plane. I'm informed planes with ENY less than 41 not allowed. How retarded. Saw a flight of 5 goons orbiting over the field. I asked what they were doing. They said it's about the only plane they could up. LMAO!!!!! This sux!!!! True AHers unite!! Chant aloud "Bring back the MA!!!!!!!!!" Pleeeeze for the love of all that is good, dump this crap, give us our beloved game back!!
My 27 cents
P.S My squad is around 90 members. There is almost always 20 or more peeps on my sqd ch. Tonight there were 3! LMAO Did I mention this sux?
Rant over
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaa:huh :( :furious
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Since it has been said in past...that the community wouldnt be split up..and that there would be no WW1 or Korean era arenas....can we have a RR arena now?:cool:
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For the record, If more connections cannot be allowed to individual arenas then I say bring back the old MA!
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Well I must say my hats off to Hitech and crew for trying new things to make game play better but i don't think this is the right direction. Splits up squads and friends. In the late war 2 arena there was 90 bish and 66 knits and 34 rooks and Arena was full. Bring back the MA PLEASE!!!!
The feed back from my squad is the same this blows.
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
ok guys let's look at it from this angle. It's the weekend and your logging on planning to join your Squadies for a few hours of entertainment only to find out your squadies are in Late Arena 2 and since this is the weekend when most players are on, both late arenas are full since each of the Late arena's only hold 200 peeps. Now your forced into a arena you don't want to be in (now mind you this could be any of the arenas that are full).
Here's a little scenario I can see happening a lot also, The most popular arena's which ever they might be, let's just say the early arena, headcount as follows 110 Bish, 60 knits and 80 Rooks, No way to even out numbers because Arena is full and in this scenario guess who will be dominating in that arena?
Just some food for thought as it seems this whole thing was not thought out that well.
And as for you Hind end smoochers Flame on!
Ok I'm in Late arena now, numbers Bish 97 knits 79 and rooks 34 and the early arena was full also and it's not even the weekend. Guess I called that one right
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I for one am not pleased. How do I know where VMF213 is flying so I can kill them?
I really enjoyed mixing up the aircraft, the perkies were great.
Instead of going this route, the AvA arena should have been pushed a little harder and maybe another specialty arena added. Maybe a GV arena. What was so wrong about 500 people being in the same arena at the same time?
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I think HTC has a better product today then they had yesterday. But thats just my opinion :D
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I haven't played this game for awhile but is it true that there's early-mid-late war areas?:D This looks exciting :D
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Sux more than a Dyson
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i had a lot of fun for the last few hours in the early war arena. at first i thought it would be bad. after a few fights, it was actually cool to be able to break away from a fight to land and reload without being chased or pounced on by an LA7 or a ponyD. actually takes a little work to win a fight. i like it for now. i think the squad aspect is going to need a little work though.
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how will squaddies know which arena to goto to fly with your squad? this has good points but i dont like it for others
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oh, one more thing, the arena fill up to capacity pretty quick, i think the cap needs to be raised a lil.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Obviously I concur
So youve said. :rolleyes: again
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You have to put it back HT this is the WORST idea ever.
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Originally posted by Nightshift82
No sir, I don't like it
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Mr_Horse_GI.gif)
LOL!!!!!!
Ren and Stimpy is awesome dude, thanks for making my day
:rofl
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That's IF you can even get into the arena they are in.
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agree with viper
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Originally posted by jon
how will squaddies know which arena to goto to fly with your squad? this has good points but i dont like it for others
You don't have e-mail or a squad forum? Seems fairly simple to pass the word.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
You don't have e-mail or a squad forum? Seems fairly simple to pass the word.
Sure Guppy... everyone wants to fly the same birds all the time in each squad...
There is nothing good for squads in this change.
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Hmm
The biggest issue seems to me the inter arena coms., but that could be something solved . There will be a problem methinks on the squad quantity.
From my view and a quick discussion with some of the members of our squadwe see that it has potential.
From what I saw the 4 arenas correspond to late 41, late 42, early-mid 44 and mid 45., with 44 being about the same as the old MA.
From a balance view of perkies for AC it makes sense. Now we can run our F4U4's against those pesky LA7's in 45 without blowing a lot of points.
According to what I saw tonight 41 was near full , 45 was pretty full with 44 a bit lower and 42 the least, but that may take some adjustment as time goes on.
I suppose the perkies/scoring can be adjusted as it goes along though and maybe open up the quantity of fliers in each arena.
Among my experiences tonight was
Ju 87's are good
Zekes are a real scary plane in the early war
The Val,SBD and TBF are worth trying out.
Over all
:aok
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You don't have e-mail or a squad forum? Seems fairly simple to pass the word.
You gonna do it everyday?! That's a whole lotta time & effort just to fly with your squad. You shouldn't have to prep to play.
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Best thing that's happened to AH ever.
The early war arena's turning out to be quite a blast. The cannon birds are rarer, relative speeds are slower, fights are longer, and porking stuff is harder.
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Originally posted by simshell
one thing im amazed at is how there was no warning from HTC about this massive change in gameplay
I agree
it suposed to be a discusion and notice, not just bill us for fresh pizza and deliver cold mashed potatoes
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Originally posted by USRanger
You gonna do it everyday?! That's a whole lotta time & effort just to fly with your squad. You shouldn't have to prep to play.
My thoughts exactly on the squad issue.. Why is HT making this more difficult for us to fly with our buddies?
Yes we CAN send e-mails, yes we CAN use the MOTD.. buy why should we have to.. It's unneccessary and will cause many squads to fall apart.. End of story..
I don't even want to play right now.. I logged in for about 10 minutes this afternoon, checked out all of the arenas, and left dissapointed..
I've been playing this game for about 3 years solid, and quite honestly it may not be much longer..
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If gameplay has changed (and it has, regardless of what HT might feel), and nothing in the game has changed but the numbers in the arenas, perhaps reverting to smaller arenas with different time frames will appeal to some of the customers he's lost, and provide some variety for those he's kept, while at the same time not directly encouraging the change in gameplay that has soured for many.
Or, more likely, he's just doing it to piss you guys off. Obviously, he's pretty new to this type of game, and he probably made all of these changes without any thought as to ramifications and issues that might arise. In fact, he probably did this late last night while violently drunk, and I'm sure if he gets another few "**** this, this is BS, I'm cancelling my account" emails, he'll change it back to the way it's been, so that he can continue to receive those emails from other customers who like the change.
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LOL wow, what a reaction!
I can't wait to give something new a try for a few weeks, see how it goes.
I bought up a few extra shares of bengay this afternoon, I figure with all the knees jerking around there's gonna be some pain, might as well cash in.
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Is it just me or did the flight models change. None of the planes seem to have realistic stall characteristics now. What happened? :(
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Well Roc that's why I'm surprised that this was just sprung on the community without any warning or asking for ideas. Did anyone out there think that things had gotten to such dire straights that such draconian changes were in order?
You make sudden, drastic changes that suddenly shut customers out of things that they are paying for because they enjoy and I guess you can expect some Pele-like kicks as the knees start jerking.
Going from one arena where you could always find one good furball and could usually also find an offensive rolling against an enemy base and a spirited defense against an enemy attack, to an arena where you might be only one of 20 or so people from your country is a real degradation in gameplay.
Add to that the fact that you might be shut out of an arena where most of your squaddies are happily battling the badguys and you can see why people are pissed.
This evenign I tried the new setup and couldn't find a good fight.
Early war arena, rooks swarming one base, no enemy coming up. Somebody parked his buffs in the middle of runway so anybody vulching runs the serious risk of being a killshoot victim. Lot of flying around in circles hoping one guy in his sbd will try to launch so he could get vulched by the rook horde.
Did manage 4 kills in a P38G during one flight, but not much fun
Late war arena. One rook base with any action going on, go to the tower and see the sky is lousy with red nikis. Where's everybody else, where's the opportunity for a coordinated offensive or a coordinated defense?
Why is gameplay a lot worse and finding a fight a lot more difficult then when I first signed up back in 2001?
I'd be a lot more willing to accept change if we'd received an explanation as to why the change was necessary, other than some vague "your continued patronage" thing.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
So youve said. :rolleyes: again
And yet you obviously missed the premise. Go back, read slowly, and see if you get the point. If you don't I'll be happy to discuss it with you in pm's.
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It will be disaster tomorrow morning!
Usually we have about 80-100 players early morning EST. 20 per arena, 6-7 per country, 3 in flight.... nice!
But even now it is absolutely terrible. Disbalance on all arenas is so huge that it makes almost impossible to play. Early war arena - 50% rooks and 20-30% knights and bish. Late war - 50% knights... It is obvious that ENY limits had to be adjusted, and turned on with much low values.
In general, I like this idea. But I think that as the first step it would be better to have 2 arenas for early and late war planes, and ENY limiter should be adjusted.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
.....snip....
Or, more likely, he's just doing it to piss you guys off. Obviously, he's pretty new to this type of game, and he probably made all of these changes without any thought as to ramifications and issues that might arise. In fact, he probably did this late last night while violently drunk, and I'm sure if he gets another few "**** this, this is BS, I'm cancelling my account" emails, he'll change it back to the way it's been, so that he can continue to receive those emails from other customers who like the change.
:lol :lol
You competeing for Lazs' job?
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I whish someone could explain the "upside" to these changes because I have a firm grasp of the obvious and the "down side" is significant and damaging.
This will have a dramatic impact on game play.....mostly in a negative manner!
What really bothers me is that the players could and have come up with many really cool neat ideas that have been share about how the game could be better....but we get this.........almost a suicidal act!
I really can't explain how disturb I find this change! I play the game to get away from all the stupid stuff in the real world...only to find someone left the back door open!
Put what ever spin you want on it.... but your going to be busier that a herd of cats in a cat box!
Thanks For what WAS the best game.
999000
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You aren't stick stirring to get away from a/an anymore.
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Just tried getting on. I have to say that one of the main reasons I fly is to fly with my squad mates. Some of us have spent the last 5 years together while others have come and gone. The ones that have remained are bonded by core common values and interests - mainly P-51's and close teamplay working very tightly as wingman in the air. We've spent the last 5 years forging both our skills and esprit de corps as a band of brothers.
The current arena setup really creates several critical dilemmas for squads like the one I'm in. (1) Because of our interest in the Mustang the cap limits on the late war arenas are forcing a split of the squad since one of the late war arenas is completely filled while the other isn't. (2) We need a way to find each other - a) to be able to see if any squad mates are logged on and which arena they are in, b) we need to be able to message each other in real time so that we can move from a maxed out arena to a non-maxed out arena to bring the squad together. Under the current setup a Squad MOTD message will not be enough.
Will HTC consider ways of solving these issues a priority?
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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SIMARIL IS DEAD RIGHT...HITECH PYRO READ WHAT HE'S SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!
"If you divide the community ..you destroy it!"
999000
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Sure Guppy... everyone wants to fly the same birds all the time in each squad...
There is nothing good for squads in this change.
Why is there nothing good? And how is it you speak for all squads? There are lots of planes to fly. Why does it have to be the same?
Why not rotate arenas for the change?
What I don't get is that all this whining isn't going to do any good. Why not make the best of it and try something different.
It's like a bunch of addicts who can't get their fix of LA7s and Spit XVIs and they're freaking out.
As far as the contacting the squad thing goes.
The 80th has a squad forum on these boards. I assume most other squads do to.
My question to the guys was what arena do you prefer? General consensus was the mid-war but the bottom line is guys said the fun was flying with the squad so they'd go wherever. So we went mid-war. We also decided to stick it out for a bit to see how things played out. The potential for the positive from this far outweighs the negative in my mind.
Bottom line is this is just a game. You spend all of 15 bucks a month on it. Not a whole lot. If it ticks you off that much, pocket your 15 bucks and do something else.
But I'd suggest remembering it's all about having fun and there are many ways to have fun in the game. Folks just need to relax and let things settle a bit.
No one really died that I can see :)
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I am putting forth a Federal endictment on High Tech for this Criminal behavior. :D
I am pretty sure that they are feeling this way like it is making the evening news.
If anybody has seen the Passion of the Christ, all the disgruntled players in this game crucifying HT remind me of the high Jewish Priest in the movie saying "crucify him...." to Jesus in the film.
I like the idea for equality. But it is not working out because of the reasons of what everyone else has posted.
HT for trying something different.
:aok
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Grumpy if you don't learn from history it will repeat itself...the game could die!
999000
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Would people have been happier with this?:
The good ol' MA
A GV only tanktown arena
A fighter-only furball arena
AvA
Training
DA
Since we weren't asked prior to this crap, I thought I'd throw it out. I'd love a TT arena, and I know a lot of you boisterous (BK) players would love a permanent FT arena. MA ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!This sux:(
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okay explain to me why my CC bill says $16.02 every month and the rest of you are paying $15? Is it because I'm a horrible stick or what?
*vain attempt to lighten the mood
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But if there is a suggestion, I still nominate 999000 as AHII announcer with Bboop and Shawk the color commentators. Now THAT"S entertainment:aok
SEraider
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Originally posted by plasticman1973
I am putting forth a Federal endictment on High Tech for this Criminal behavior. :D
I am pretty sure that they are feeling this way like it is making the evening news.
If anybody has seen the Passion of the Christ, all the disgruntled players in this game crucifying HT remind me of the high Jewish Priest in the movie saying "crucify him...." to Jesus in the film.
I like the idea for equality. But it is not working out because of the reasons of what everyone else has posted.
HT for trying something different.
:aok
don't you realize that declaring a jihad is en vogue these days? .. sheesh ;)
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If I'd wanted a fair fight, I'd have bought a friggin' checkers board
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dan..
In the big picture this is no big deal. Its just a game and it just got a lot lamer. Here is another example... I was just on the late war arena flying my uber 51b with the other 21 rooks. The other 200 players were mostly knits. I don't fly the planes you say I'm whining about. I don't really care about planes. For me this is a break up of the community that takes away from what made the game good and for waht reason? No real reason was given was there? Basically the Gv guys are porked. Whats the benefit to this set up as opposed to the traditional MA and maybe an early one?
The fact of the matter was everyone went to the MA and not the AvA for a reason. There are many ways to encourage benefitial behavior other than shoving it down your customers throat. So far, the arenas are porked. Maybe it will sort out and maybe it won't. If it stays like this I doubt I will stay on simply because it is so out of balance with the numbers.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Bah you're all freaking out. Give it a week for cod's sake!
The reason nobody's ON right now is because it's the middle of the day in the middle of the work week! Most of us have lives! (okay, not "lives" -- but we have "work" aka "that time during which we can't fly AH2")
Krusty,
The only counterpoint I would make to this is... AH is a 24 hour operation with 24 hour clientelle world wide. If the product degenerates to unplayable (for whatever reason) then the portion of the AH clientelle that fly during that time of day have every reason to be upset.
I toured the arenas tonite and found severe number missmatches in every arena.
We went through the big painful ENY fiasco to try and keep equitable numbers. Now we have 4 arenas across which flyers migrate seeking to achieve advantage.
I always thought a rolling plane set in a single arena would allow a nice variance, but my initial impressions of this change are not positive.
Perhaps it will all shake out in the wash, with players reforming squads or deciding to willingly swap countries frequently....
I will say... if I log on too many times and am capped out of the arena I want to fly in... I won't remain a customer.
Waiting to see where this goes...
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Originally Posted by 1cemanVS
snip...... and your finance board
Wouldn't that be us? Those who pay for this game? I never got to vote. That would be a Dictatorship, right? Oh well. Like you said, there's other games out there.
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I want to personally thank HTC from the bottom of my heart. Even if they change this back to the old setup, the whines generated by this are comedy gold!
BTW, anyone who is going to cancel their account please contact me by email and I will give you the address to send your joysticks.
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i am so disgusted...i can't remember being this mad for along time...
i am not joking when i say that my fingers are shaking as i type!
didnt you guys learn anything from air warrior????
each arena is being dominated by one coutrny...waiting to log on becuase other arenas are full....2 knits vs 80 combined bish/rooks in late war2. and i cant evenimagine what the morning will look like....hunting for fights or milkrunning empty maps....this is what made awc suck!
aaaaaarrrgggh!
CHANGE IT BACK NOW...i have never seriously considered quitting this game but as i logged tonite it is a real possibility. the level of absolute disrespect this demonstrates to the community is mindboggling...hitech creations does not get it!!! i play because of the community...my squad...the other bishops...and the other players met in the virtual skies...you have compromised all the above with absolutely no input or warning.
AH was my crack and my dealer just sold me soap!!! I will not pay for soap!! give us back a complete arena and let the other arenas exist if you wish.
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I'm rather certain this will get lost in the horde, but the new setup is not impressive.
* The fields in the early war arena are spread too far for planes that rarely see the sweet side of 300 KIAS.
* It would also be nice to have some sort of squad/buddy locator.
* Oh, and if an arena is full, don't kick me back to the desktop. A simple "Sorry, that arena is full right now" message would be much less frustrating. Even add a "Would you like to be put on the waiting list?" with a counter for how many are in front of you.
You my need to rethink this split. 200 is much too small for three countries, although I'm not sure where the line should be. At least allow 100 per side. That's about 7-10 average size squads.
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Originally posted by Pyro
That is the history of every significant change(and some insignificant) in AH. Good thing we're used to it. :)
Pyro,
But in a business where you have the email address of EVERY customer, why don't we ever get a survey that asks opinons for different options?
Why do we just get saddled with a change, accompanied with an edict upon (aces) high and then told to suck it up?
I know it certainly doesn't make me feel like part of any "community" or process. Cattle comes to mind.....
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Here's a little experiment. Keep these crappy mini-arenas, but put the MA back in. Let's see how many players will still use them. I think they'll be as devoid of life as the AvA. MA! MA! MA!
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My €
To me old MA have been a dead horse for long long time. Same old years after years.....Zzzzzz.
The new arena setup is something really interesting.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
okay explain to me why my CC bill says $16.02 every month and the rest of you are paying $15? Is it because I'm a horrible stick or what?
Texas residents pay sales tax.
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Comedy GOLD I say!!
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Originally posted by USRanger
Would people have been happier with this?:
The good ol' MA
A GV only tanktown arena
A fighter-only furball arena
AvA
Training
DA
Since we weren't asked prior to this crap, I thought I'd throw it out. I'd love a TT arena, and I know a lot of you boisterous (BK) players would love a permanent FT arena. MA ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!This sux:(
i definently would, i love the MA as it was.
This sucks terribly
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
AH was my crack and my dealer just sold me soap!!! I will not pay for soap!! .
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Quoting Pyro "it's a moral quandry"
this seems the same, the late war arenas just like the MA only missin a couple of planes.
already had better fights and more in fight respect, no ho on the merge, and when I went bingo fuel went 200 and told him and he broke off a good fight. Reminded me alot of AW fights which were great.
Same game different package.
cant wait for CT release so we can hear the first day whinage then.
To quote Sgt Hulka "lighten up Francis"
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Originally posted by rpm
Texas residents pay sales tax.
That's UNFAIR!!! everybody else gets away with paying $15. Well then I'm cancelling my account until this is made what I want it to be!!!!!. This game obviously sucks!!! Geez...
(does anybody but me sense the sarcasm?)
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Originally posted by BIGJ
Thiss belongs i a book.
thought i would reply to this
i write poetry as one of my main life hobbies and iv made about 92 poems in a year and half of writing
and i just thought to have some fun and write a poem about all this whining
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Actually, on further thought, I think they should take this farther. HTC should break it down into an arena for each year of the war with a cap of 50 players in each one.
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Originally posted by simshell
thought i would reply to this
i write poetry as one of my main life hobbies and iv made about 92 poems in a year and half of writing
and i just thought to have some fun and write a poem about all this whining
and well done sir
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This reminds me of another great idea and how well it worked...
(http://www2.coca-cola.com/heritage/img/cokelore_left_newcoke.jpg)
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Originally posted by Grits
Actually, on further thought, I think they should take this farther. HTC should break it down into an arena for each year of the war with a cap of 50 players in each one.
might be a little too low I remember when arenas were 150 and ya just waited and clicked waited and clicked hopin to get the next open slot.
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Originally posted by Krusty
If you put in new arenas but no incentive to go TO those arenas, they go unused.
If you have to have an incentive... then you are trying to create a desire that doesn't exist.
If the idea appeals to the customer base, then the customer base will support it. If they don't support it... the idea was a Turkey.
Put the limits on all arenas up around 600 and see where the customers go.
Then you will know what the customer base wants... not what someone supposes they want.
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Guppy -
My livelihood is based on making sweeping changes in global businesses. Here's a simple formula regarding managing change...
current 0 / new + = high probability of successful change
current + / new + = high probability of successful change
current 0 / new 0 = good probability of successful change
current + / new - = high probability that change will be unsuccessful
current + / new 0 = good probability that change will be unsuccessful
In essence, anytime the new is less positive than the old, the success of a change is in jeopardy.
For squads like the 412th FS the current arena settings are a double whammy. There are two negatives in the new setup that we have to overcome - 1) a love for the Mustang which is at odds with switching arenas, 2) flying together which is at odds with the way the arena capping works right now and the inability to find and message each other in real time to move to the same arena.
To make #1 a positive for me and others like me - HTC needs to give me some incentive that makes it a positive to fly other planes. Simply stating that other planes exist so go fly them isn't enough of a tangible incentive. I love the Mustang. There's a reason I love the Mustang and choose that over other planes. Give me a good, worthwhile, tangible incentive to fly something else besides the Mustang.
To make #2 a positive HTC needs to come up with some way to overcome either the cap limit issue and/or a way to figure out in realtime which squadmates are online, which arena they are in, and ways to communicate to them in realtime to go to the same arenas. A squad MOTD message is not enough of a mechanism to do this with the current cap limits.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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I think it's TERRIBLE. The numbers restrictions virtually ensure that someone's going to have a horde. And why do we need TWO late and early-war arenas?
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Ive been here since 99 beta ...early on ,AH was much more satisfying than it has become in the last 2 years. Why even have early war planes unless you keep the late war monsters away? Its so tiring to try to fly early war planes only to be chased down and killed by 3 or 4 LA7s (usually a HO shot at that).
I think HT has made an exellent move that will give may of us much more 1v1 fights where ACM and SA actually mean something. I think the new set-up is the only way he could go for future growth,the MA as it was is really getting old and I say thank God for a change.
WTG HT. From a continuous 6+ year subscriber I am glad you had the courage to change. :aok
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Ummm....I just had a really great time in the early arena, outnumbered, defending a base, and without radar.
I actually got HO'd by an f4f -- made me laugh out loud!
Thanks for something different. Though there are some legitimate issues to be worked out, this was a lot of fun.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled complaining.
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LMFAO if it's a HTC support post it stays on if you disagree with Hitech they delete your thread.
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From what I saw tonight, I'd say no.... there, usually...is not enough population online to populate 4 arenas at the same time.
Now... I really LIKE being limited to certain era planes, (part of why i fly in the SEA) but I'm worried there will not be enough players and variety of maps to keep eveyone interested.
A possible solution would be a Late Era Map...with all rides available (traditional MA) if you want to fly and early warbird against late war planes, why not?
.... and rotate on a weekly basis the Early and Mid War arenas.
Should increase the population among 2 arenas rather than 4.... and possible allow a few more medium sized maps for variety.
Just a thought......
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Originally posted by tedrbr
From what I saw tonight, I'd say no.... there, usually...is not enough population online to populate 4 arenas at the same time.
Now... I really LIKE being limited to certain era planes, (part of why i fly in the SEA) but I'm worried there will not be enough players and variety of maps to keep eveyone interested.
A possible solution would be a Late Era Map...with all rides available (traditional MA) if you want to fly and early warbird against late war planes, why not?
.... and rotate on a weekly basis the Early and Mid War arenas.
Should increase the population among 2 arenas rather than 4.... and possible allow a few more medium sized maps for variety.
Just a thought......
There are 2 late war arenas
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For the last 3 nights I have logged into the (now old) MA, got bored just looking at the map, what with the hordes (La7s, Spitup 16s, Nikis) milkrunning undefended bases, and it was so depressing thinking about yet another sortie in that sorry mess that I went to fighter town in desperation. I took one sortie in FT, and ran into a form of B17s, another of B26s and 2 forms of B24s low trying to destroy our field. IN FT! This is in addition to 2 A20s and a host of Jabos strafing our (Rooks) field. For our part, I saw 3 or 4 Rooks bombers taking off to pork the enemy fields in FT. Disgusted at the dweebery everywhere and on all sides, I logged, and seriously thought of giving up AH Arena play for Scenarios, and signing up for Warbirds scenarios also. That way, I could play every Sat and Sun flying WW2 Aircraft in simulated historical recreations.
Today I see we have three different Main Arenas corresponding to early- mid- and late-war. I love the idea. For those who threaten to quit, and who have MSFFPro joysticks, drop me a PM with a price. As a dear Arab friend always says: "There is never an ill wind that doesn't blow SOMEONE some good!"
BTW this is NOT what killed Air Warrior. I was there to the last night when they turned the lights out. What killed it was the avarice of EA.COM, incredibly bad arena management within Air Warrior, a laughable FR flight model, and code so old that no one who worked for AW could modify it or advance its development much.
Try the new AH Arenas for at least a week, gents. It has got to be an improvement over the stinking game play in the MA.
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you guys are being too quick to jump the gun. I'm having fun with it. Sure it would be better wih more numbers but overall it's fun. 200 sure has cleaned up, it's a lot more friendly online imo. More encouraging for me to sticka round
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Everything in ANY business is a work in progress with fluid customer desires and 'needs'. The businesses that address those desires and needs the best and most economical ways are the ones that succeed. AT LEAST HTC IS FREAKING TRYING INSTEAD OF SAYING 'HERE'S YOUR PLACE TO PLAY DEAL WITH IT'.
You must have been one of the few folks that got a survey and asked what you might think about a change like this?
See, I'm on the outside of that inner circle, they have my money, and I'm handed a different product that what I am used to.
You are right, we can't please everybody, but in this game it doesn't seem we bother to ASK the customers first. We just do it and then label everyone who doesn't like the change as being a whiner or unwilling to change.
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Prop, Sim, wrong thread. This is the "I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL BLOW MY HEAD OFF IF I CAN'T FLY IN A HUGE PACK OF LA7S WITH MY SQUAD OF 400 PEOPLE WHO ARE MY CLOSEST REAL LIFE FRIENDS BECAUSE I DONT WANT FAIR FIGHTS I WANT IRC WITH AIRPLANES" thread.
You should put that happy fuzzy **** in another thread.
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Originally posted by baine1
I can't imagine HTC would willingly fragment its customer base _ a base that I think everyone would agree would list camaraderie and community as the main reasons they continue to fly year after year.
I also can't imagine that this was done on a whim or as some sort of an experiment.
At some point the community, any community actually, can become too big to remain "a community". It fragments itself with conflicting priorities and intrests.
Airwarrior had 1200 players online nightly, with 3 duplicate arenas of the most popular setup, and a number of other arenas. Yet, former AW players here today consider themselves all from the same community, whether they were "FR" or "RR", "euro", or "pac". They just had more options of where to hang out. And in groups sized where you could get to know people, instead of being a face in the croud.
Frankly any fracturing isn't being done by HTC. Its being done by a player base too difused and populace to put on any kind of unified front for community standards. Just read the incesent whining on the message boards. One group wants a small corner of the map for their prefered game play, and another group can't help themselves to grief that corner of the map. I for one am optimistic about the change.
The MA at peak times has become like the biggest loudest hot nightclub. The nightclub can be fun, but its not always condusive to things you'd like to do (shoot pool with friends, watch a game on the big screen with friends, actually carry a conversation without having to yell in the other persons ear). Think of it as a rennovation of the night club to a disco/sports bar/deck and beach club. I can't believe being given more options is so terrible.
They'll figure out the tweeks needed to make things work smoothly.
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Originally posted by Lusche
You can´t run a company by polls.
But you better make the right decision...
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simaril
the newness fun will wear off and the truth that it sucks will remain...
yes...they have accomplished an arcade style game...but i already had "tribes" for that.....
again... if you didnt begin like some of us with Air Warrior you have no idea of the "Fun" that awaits you. be prepared for the JOY of full arenas where your friends are.....the AWESOMENESS of unbalanced arenas....the WHOOP-TEE-DOO of eny limiters....the EXCITEMENT of one squad dominating an arena...AND learn terms like "milkrunner" and "B-n-Zer"
Hey...guess what? Air Warrior freaking died!!!! it became obsolete!!! im astounded that we have decided to go backwards in our game design...
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Originally posted by ghi
I agree
it suposed to be a discusion and notice, not just bill us for fresh pizza and deliver cold mashed potatoes
:rofl
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At this point I have no opinion either way. Flew in the Early war most of the time, was very fun....still had to deal with the Hoicane2c.
Decided to try the Mid-war, encountered the hoin la5's. :confused:
Tried one flight in the Late war, got vulched by a N1k.
Guess it didn't change all that much
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Originally posted by Murdr
Frankly any fracturing isn't being done by HTC. Its being done by a player base too difused and populace to put on any kind of unified front for community standards. Just read the incesent whining on the message boards. One group wants a small corner of the map for their prefered game play, and another group can't help themselves to grief that corner of the map. I for one am optimistic about the change.
Everyone that is now on suicide watch over this change needs to read this paragraph. Then when you are done read it again.
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What Murdr said.
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Wow...Hubs made a snide comment....how wierd is that?:rolleyes:
You are so right hubs and grits...i have seen the light!!!
Thanks for the input!!! please continue to use ch 200 and this forum as your squad channel!!! we really cant wait to hear the crap that falls out of your mouths next!!! and if you used your own text ch or vox, you might discover we never cared and would never ask!
:aok
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Originally posted by 4510
If you have to have an incentive... then you are trying to create a desire that doesn't exist.
If the idea appeals to the customer base, then the customer base will support it. If they don't support it... the idea was a Turkey.
Put the limits on all arenas up around 600 and see where the customers go.
Then you will know what the customer base wants... not what someone supposes they want.
Most intelligent post I have read on these boards in several weeks.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Comedy Gold
:aok
SWEET!!
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i agree with 4510..turn up the limits and see where poeple gravitate
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Hopefully, this will create a place, and a reason, to introduce some well needed and desired earlier and middle war planes.
If AH remained as is then there really would be no use in putting any effort into modeling new planes except the very late ones. Even then the number of late war planes left not modeled is limited. No matter what plane gets introduced in the future the old AH main had reached its 'peak' and no new plane could make it 'better' [read as different].
I am not sure about the whole separate arena thing, why not just separate areas on one large map for late, mid, early, etc..?
I am sure they have their reasons for the separate arenas but in the end it doesn't much matter to me. Anything to change AH at this point is 'good' at least insofar as it provides something new, even if it's just for a short period...
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....just sayin.
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So far it dosent seem to bad. Guys actually have to fight for the most part. Not much running away either as the planes in each areana are on a some what level playing field.
Dont like having to pay perks for a spit 8 in mid war though
Didnt see much hordeing either.
Wish the 2 late war areanas where just one though.
Found fights were more evenly balenced and Cherry picking, Hordeing were cut down.
Didnt like having to search for squadmates.
Have to give it a few more days to make an opinion, but so far its not that bad
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Originally posted by USRanger
Here's a little experiment. Keep these crappy mini-arenas, but put the MA back in. Let's see how many players will still use them. I think they'll be as devoid of life as the AvA. MA! MA! MA!
This may be interesting. However, I can't help but notice the large attendance in the AVA arena (NOT).
I bet this does not go over very well.
I would rather suffer through a single MA restricted to Early/Mid/Late on a rotating basis or better yet, random basis.
Here is what I see happening. My squad night, 2 of us get into arena 1, it is full now, so the others get arena 3, and a few can only get into arena 2.
Squad falls apart ****Pooof**** subscriptions get canceled.
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You guys already know the answer to "what would happen if you put it back like it was", which is why you're asking that. The answer is that all of the guys like you who are threatening to quit and screaming about how it's going to destroy gameplay would rejoin and reform your hordes, and you'd run your missions, and milkrun, and vulch, but mostly just waste bandwidth running IRC with airplanes. It's funny; you guys all know exactly how HT should run his company once he makes a change (which, I might add, seems pretty successful, especially considering he's run it without your advice for the last 7 or 8 years now?), yet you guys weren't exactly falling over yourselves trying to solve the issues of gameplay and balance before the change.
Your glorious golden age of 100 person squads and lopsided 10 to 1 fights represents the death of this game, not HT's decision to try to appeal to his other few thousand customers.
And Falcnwing, you'll notice the first snide remark comes from one of your horde mongers, directed at us, so you and 999 can get stuffed playing checkers with 200 of your closest friends for all I care- as long as you guys all quit, this change represents a tremendous leap for HTC.
Hell, to help offset the tremendous financial loss that the departure of your squad represents, I will open an account, as I'm sure will a few more folks who have already quit because gameplay sucked, but didn't bother threatening repeatedly in an attempt to revive a dreadfully dull style of gameplay.
Good day, sirs. Hope you enjoy checkers.
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i thought he left.
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Went to the early arena, and I did have a lot of fun. I also logged on a while later and flew mid-war in some of my favorite rides. I about fell asleep with the lack of people there, but I did enjoy some of my favorite rides.
I'm waiting for it all to settle out, especially after some of the nostalgia of the once little-used early birds wears off. Then I may have a basis for an opinion.
I am extremely concerned about how this is affecting the larger squads. While we may want to conduct squad-nights as we usually do, any arena is going to be packed to the cap so that no other squaddies can get in. I feel sorry for those that have or will experience this on thier squad nights. If this system is to continue, I hope that (along with the other kinks in the works) the number cap can be adjusted to accomidate somehow. If I find that I consistantly cannot log in to fly with my friends, some of which I've known for two years so far, then the motivation to play this game is greatly diminished.
I admit I have only skimmed the majority of these replies, so apologies to all if I repeated a lot of concerns.
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What happens to those that fly the 'off hours' where there aint that many in th main arean to start with, and its hard enough to find good scraps without resorting to Furball Town?
Seriously numbers when i fly would easily be 5-6 time less than at peak times, now with 3 arenas that may well dilute what little competition there is by 3.
I understand the rationale behind it, but i fear it will dilute the numbers to a nearly unplayable state during the off-hours when i, and my type, fly.
What about only switching on the other two arenas after the numbers meet a threshold or, during certain (eg US prime-time) hours.
We dont all play during US prime-time hours.
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Ok, this is gonna be a longer one, and of course a a bit redundant...
I can´t tell whats wrong or right for the game, or HTC. I´m not all customers,I am not one tof that vocal guys telling all others how to play & have fun. I am just me and can only say what I like, and what I don´t. Im not a furballer, nor a strat girl. Like many (most?) players, I´m a mix of both. I used to fool around in early-midwar planes in FT, then switching to "win-teh-war mode". I picked when I could, I was huntin bombers to protect bases, and I was getting kicked my bellybutton in my Tempest during dogfights with Hurri2C´s, and half of my time you could find me in tanks.
The biggest appeal to me, and the main reason to sign on, was the freedom, versatility and the huge numbers in the old MA. I could decide flying a C205, then a Tempest, then a A6m2 or Il2. All according to mood and situation.
Because of this, I have to say: I have trouble with the new setup.
I don´t have real problems with gameplay within the arenas themself. Sure, there are minor problems, for example what planes belong to wich arena, and what planes to perk how much, but these are the usual problems you really have to track over a few days / weeks to find out the best setting. I would never complain about such things on the first day. I am a bit irritated by the fact that the communication problem is not solved before launching the new setup. But as I am not in a squad, I probably don´t suffer as much as other people, but I can understand their whines. Of course, I´m sure that problem will be adressed, hopefully very soon.
But I have a real big problem with splitting up the old MA the way it is done now:
Like many non-US players, I used to fly a lot of my sorties at times when only few players where on, between 90-140 people. Now we have 4 different arenas, maybe 3 if you don´t count the "double" Late Arena. Now the few people will either spread out between those 3 Arenas, or, more likely, most of them will settle down in one arena, with some occasional milk runs in other arenas. Either way don´t suits me much.
While I really do like fighting in early planes (Most fun I ever had was probably during the recent server moves, when Backup MA was early planes only), I don´t like being "forced" to do it. If I want to repel a big GV raid, I can´t up my trusty IL2. I have to switch to another arena to fly it. Chances are, that this won´t help much. And if people would aggravate in Late Arena, I would still miss the opportunity to drive La7 pilots crazy with a A6m2. To find a decend ground battle, I might to hop arenas too. Tonight I did not find any...
Once there was the word: "Fly what you like, and when you like. Don´t worry about what the other guy is flying". This may hold true during late US times, when there are enough people online in all arenas, but I can´t stay online all night to 5 AM ;) The freedom and versatility I loved to have in a single arena seems to be gone for me.
Maybe I´m just out of luck not being neither US player (suffering from low numbers) nor a furballing purist...
While I would like to see all planes being enabled in one of the Late Arenas, I am aware that this would be most probably crippling to the whole concept. The Early & Mid Arena might then die slowly after a few weeks, just like the old CT / now AvA Arena.
And I would just like to comment on two sentences I heard more than once tonight:
"Now people will learn to get some skill"
I really don´t believe in it. You can´t force people to "learn" or to get skills. People who only Hoed or vulched in La7 will do the same with HurriC or 110Cs in early war arena. And the "hording" won´t stop, but right now you can´t counter real big hordes with a real superior plane in Early 6 Mid Arenas. The playground is more even, wich may give the vets maybe an even bigger advantage, for a noob now can´t fly a superior plane vs a vet in a "lowly" early ride who´s looking for a real challenge.
"HTC will lose half of it´s players "
And I don´t believe that too. Some will leave, perhaps a bit more than usual after major changes. But I´m sure more than one furball-oriented player, who left out of boredom/frustration will come back. And after all, there is currently no real alternative on the market. Some might be sorry about that... ;)
Sorry for boring you to death...
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WTG HTC! I had an absolute blast in the early war arena tonight. Lots of great furballs! I have a few possible suggestions though:
1. Perk the Hurri IIC in the early war arena. It is the new CHog!
2. The map in the early war arena shouldn't be the one with the bases so far apart. I always thought the bases on lake uterus were too far apart in the old main, but with the slow early war planes it is a lot worse.
3. Give us a way to squelch the country channel. Or limit the minimum age for all players!
But I give this experiment a big thumbs up!
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
I never got to vote. That would be a Dictatorship, right?
This is not a democracy, HT has the one and only vote.
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I don't hate it. Except for one thing. I am a member of a VERY large squad, of people I like to interact with (wink,wink). The effect of this will be to break us up into smaller groups. That, I hate. I enjoy being a BoP, and enjoy taking over the arena on Monday nights when we all get together.
IMHO, breaking us (and the other large squads) up is exactly what HTC is trying to do. They have had BIG problems with lag, etc. in the last few months--we have all seen it. A server can only get so big, and so powerful. Splitting it up is probably a response more to technical issues than to gameplay issues. Yes, they could put up a server with a 500 player limit, but then there would be 500 players there, and 50 players in the others. They want to "balance" the numbers, so that nobody can complain that "their" arena is not getting enough attention from the player base.
Let's all sit back, take a deep breath, and see what the effects of this change are. Right now, I am enjoying the early war arena--simply because it is something different.
all,
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The coolest thing about AH up to now, and the reason I got so deeply into it, was the simple joy of entering a supermax arena of ~600 pilots all duking it out for territory. With that many flying around, I really had the sense of tension even when flying in "safe" territory, I was never actually safe.
Better yet, strong alliances of like-minded squads formed up to run nightly missions. These were the absolute highlight of gameplay in AH for me... 15-30 pilots going on base rampages, or HUGE bomber formations with fighter escorts that brought the movies right to my computer screen.
I'll make a prediction. The whole community will be fragmented, split up into 4 shards for a while. Until eventually, people begin to miss the old days of fighting that put the "massive" in MMO, and they will .... have your thinking caps on? .... yes, agree to migrate to one of the servers. My magic 8 ball says the end result will be 600 players on one of the 4 new servers, with oh, 10-35 on the other 4 each.
The loss will be choice of aircraft of course. If the community migrates to late war, for example, there goes the option of trying a little doggin in a P40b. Or Zero. Whatever else. In the end, the result will be a much less robust experience.
But I hear the cries from the P40 lovers too! I'm one of them, I've been fascinated with the plane since childhood. Maybe it was the tiger-tooth paint jobs that started that. But let's be honest, fighting LA-7's and Spit14's in a P40 is about as fun as going to the dentist. So I FULLY understand the desire to segrate the planes by time period, and I love the thought.
Here's an idea. Think about this:
One grand server again. The maps rotate as always. Simultaneous with the map rotations, come aircraft period rotations. One set, it's early war planes only. One side wins, the map changes and the planes change to middle-war planes only. Another win, another map change and now it's on to Late War planes. On and on. 1 server, 1 journey through time in WWII.
This way, everybody is on the same server (this is SO important for alliance/squads/general mayhem), yet all the aircraft are balanced for the time period and nobody is at a serious advantage for flying their favorite ride even if that plane is completely unviable in the old setup.
Cake and eat it too.
69Amigo
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This is a sad sad day to see this kind of change without any notice or consideration to US the "customer".
Here's a little experiment. Keep these crappy mini-arenas, but put the MA back in. Let's see how many players will still use them. I think they'll be as devoid of life as the AvA. MA! MA! MA!
WOW why didnt you think of that HT?????????????????????
How about you leave the MA alone as it was, because thats what "US" loyal customers have been paying you for, for ALL these years.
Keep these new arena's up and LET the customer decide which one they want to use. !!!
50cals :furious
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I played for about 2 hours tonight. I visited the Late war 2 arena and bounced around from base to base simply watching who was flying what. I was able to get into the early war arena and flew a 110C for a while. Rather than fly with the mobs, I remained at the forward bases and defended.
A view observations...
The guys who enjoy furabbling seemed to gravitate to the early war and mid war arenas. I think that the bomber guys were generally spread out fairly evenly, with bomber formations active in all arenas.
The limited maximum arena numbers certainly prevented many players from flying where the preferred to fly, except in the mid war arena which was well below maximum. This will need adjusting. I can see no reason not to increase the arena max to at least 500 and let people play where they are most comfortable.
Hurricane IIC and Spitfire Mk.V seemed to be the most common fighters in the early war arena. The Jabo of choice was the P-38G, with the Bf 110C and Hurricane IIC also being used for attack missions. Few 190A-5s were seen. I didn't see more than one or two Spit Mk.IXs.
So far, I like the new set-up, but the low number cap on arena capacity needs adjusting. I like the idea that I can fly an older fighter and know that my enemy isn't much better equipped than I am. I like the idea that I can choose where I want to fly and change my mind and go fight in a different environment.
I'm certain that people will adjust to the new format, but the arena limits probably should be increased so that everyone gets to fly where they wish.
My regards,
Widewing
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WOW!! Hubs made another snide remark!!!:rolleyes:
What were the odds!!!:lol
Hubs im sorry you and your washed out buds have to make this game into an arcade. It has truly been a joy to have you guys not in the arena whining like the girls you are...if this change has brought you back then im doubly against it...honestly would never know where you idiots are except you cant stay off ch 200 or the BBS...
when hitech pawned lazs and mars with his "stages of gameplay" post i thought i would piss my pants...
if you think upping planes and turnfiting is realistic at all then you are nuts...fitertown is nothiing but a melee of death..and it helps pad some guys scores.
now lets suppose i could actually persuade 97 BoPs to unsubscribe...that would be ~100 x $15 x 12 months = $18,000/year..how many subscriptions were you going to add?
but dont sweat it sweetheart..instead look forward to 50 BoPs logging in at 5pm (tying up slots because we want to make sure we get on) and waiting for squad night and then rolling any arena we want...see that doesnt sound too fun for us either but i guess your too moronic to understand the ramifications of this new improved gameplay...big squads should adore this...they can dominate anywhere they want...thing is we actually like each other and the comradery is what is important...that is hwat we feelis threatened here...the new arenas actually work to our advantage you big silly:lol
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Originally posted by REP0MAN
I never got to vote. That would be a Dictatorship, right?
More like a monarchy. The king does hold court, and may grant pettitions from the citizens...but he doesnt have to grant them.
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I'll bet a buck that it has nothing to do with the server, and that HT couldn't find you guys in a list.
I will say that you've become very representative of the type and style of gameplay that I personally hate, but that's just me.
Kudos to you, Shubie, for encouraging moderation. Many of your comrades are already freaking out.
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i want to agree, and disagree. tonight was my squad night. by the time we formed up the 2 main servers, early war, ans late war 2 were full, so we went to late war 1, 60 people. Now thats not a great experience. Ithink the 1 server was a better concept, because we built a community of squads, made alliances, and formed friendships with other players which are now dissaranged. yes i think this sucks. Now will this kill the game, i doub it. we will ***** for a while, then go about our business. if we miss our friends we will say stuff like "remeber when we used to run missions with jujubees90" and sigh, then go about our business. i asked tonigh what made AH2 a great game to play. and not 2 people had the same answer. so, it is what it is now. lets see what happens.
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Seems like the only ones complaining are those lgay7 drivers that I see bang the older birds all the time.
Vlkyrie1
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Originally posted by Valkyrie
Seems like the only ones complaining are those lgay7 drivers that I see bang the older birds all the time.
Vlkyrie1
Sorry, thats complete & utter nonsense
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Thank you HTC!
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I agree with ya on this one. Rolling time periods would solve most of the probs, except some people who only want to fly late war planes would have to wait several days till they can, and thats no good for business.
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In my opinion, no. The population is not large enough for this.
I'll cite one of the most ludicrously successful MMO's on the planet...World of Warcraft. Servers are added as population can support. The idea is to keep communities TOGETHER. This move has split them up.
But I'm not just b|tching about it. I have an idea too to preserve 2 key desires from AH players: (1) large, cohesive community, and (2) balanced aircraft, appropriate for the time period they served.
See my other post... Amigo in the Author column.
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Especially the population which flies during the off-hours - eg non-US people.
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Do you think it's worse for business to have to wait a few days to fly your trusty LA-7, or have your tight-knit alliance of 4 squads broken apart?
Heck, think of it this way. You LOVE that Spit14 and don't want to fly anything else. You now have a whole new incentive to (1) win the Early War and Middle War rotations, (2) get to the Late War rotation, and (3) keep from losing.
I just absolutely loved the massive wars and big alliances formed with squads. To me, this is far more important than being able to fly the 1 or 2 planes that I'm uber in. Any of us can adapt to new aircraft, especially if those aircraft are on an equal playing field. So yes, I love the idea of segregation the aircraft by time period, but not at the expense of losing my brotherhood. A rotation on time periods on one supermax server would provide (1) better balance, (2) the opportunity to try new planes like old craptastic ones without being raped by late-war dominators, and (3) still keep 500-700 pilots going strong together with their Squad/Alliance Ops., squad recruiting, newbie help, you know...the "little" things that help a game grow expontentially in subscribers.
A step further. The maps and plane sets rotate through time. Each time, there's a winner. First side to get 3 wins (and the maps progress to then stay on Late War until that happens), wins WWII. Could be exciting. :)
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Can we do old main & new split arenas alternating every 2 nights, perhaps? That would allow those, like me, who alternate rides frequently to test matchups with the new adrenaline hit of a more balanced arena.
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Pissed off enough to post for the first time in months!
Change is rarely a bad thing but I am not liking this to much...
I too have logged into the MA on many a night and groaned at the same old map with the same old pattern of warfare but I still stayed on and flew.
I think the community would have been better served by a Main arena with four sections protected by fighter town like uber mountains with these plane sets available in the different sections...or greatly expanding the plane and vehicle models available.
This will fracture squads and the sense of community that comes with a "Mega" arena and that is my main concern along with a lot of other posters. My favorite way to end the day was to log on to MA join up with a dozen or more friends and go looking for the s**t, looks like those days may be numbered. I had to go to all four arenas to scrounge up 6 pilots and half of them were mad about the changes.
I, like anyone else hated getting jumped by two or three or four or more Laffers and Spit 16s when I took up an early model plane for some fun but hey alls fair in war, you roll the dice you take your chances.....
I think a good old fashioned poll to see if this is what the community wants is in order but I doubt we will see one...We should at least still have a mega anything goes arena as an option.
I will give it some time but I sure am not happy about the changes so far.
Everyone!
RacrX
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Originally posted by Grits
This is not a democracy, HT has the one and only vote.
I beg to differ. My vote is $15 a month.
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Air Warrior supported multiple arenas, The Shills were mostly a "relaxed reality Pacific" squad there and squads will work out what they do here too.
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If you want to spread out the numbers more evenly then how about this then. Limiting the number of peopl a certain country cane have. Tonight in the Early aren both Bish and knit were way outnhumbered by at least 60+. The Bish outnumbered the Knits on average about 10-20.
OK a night comes up where the total number of one country outnumbers the other by around 100 but the arena is full. Which every countries are outnumbered can not expect help of any kind. They are stuck. So many will log off or switch arena then you will have the Mid Era Arena like tonight where the KNit outnumbered everyone picked the weakest side and had a reset in about 30 minutes. So even out the numbers in such a way that people wont walk into an arena and find themselves completely outnumbered in such a way that gameplay is no longer fun or entertaining. Other then that I still had a great deal of fun. Was able to join up with my squad.
Big oir even medium size squads now face a new problem. If they want to go to a certain arena but it is full what should they do. Go to arean where barely any one is on and have no fun what so every. I know my squad likes to take on people. Makes alot more fun when you take a base and all people can do is sit in the tower and complain on 200 about it.
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Prime example of my earlier point.
Originally posted by FALCONWING
WOW!! Hubs made another snide remark!!!:rolleyes:
Hubs im sorry you and your washed out buds have to make this game into an arcade. It has truly been a joy to have you guys not in the arena whining like the girls you are...if this change has brought you back then im doubly against it...
Originally posted by hubsonfire
I'll bet a buck that it has nothing to do with the server, and that HT couldn't find you guys in a list.
I will say that you've become very representative of the type and style of gameplay that I personally hate, but that's just me.
"At some point the community, any community actually, can become too big to remain 'a community'. It fragments itself with conflicting priorities and intrests...Frankly any fracturing isn't being done by HTC. Its being done by a player base too difused and populace to put on any kind of unified front for community standards. "
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LOL murdr...you are actually comparing someone arguing with a BK as being an example?
puhleease...these morons do nothing but snipe others for the sake of "fun".
Hub has even gotten 999000 (the absolutely freaking nicest guy in the game) upset with him.
:lol :p :lol
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i am a JB i am used to restrictions. heh.
one more week and my system will be in my hands, ready to try out this new format. i will suspend judgement until then. it has been a good long time since i have been a regular participant.
i am concerned about how this will break up the community but i am not yet ready to believe that HTC doesnt have some sort of master plan that they are following.
i'll wait and see how it works when i play. if i hate it, i just wont have the urge to play.
i liked the old system enought to order a vid card and select a computer that i dont need, just to play it.
mostly it is the people. it takes a long time to get those.
i have been around here for almost 2 years i think, and i have met some amazing souls.
if it doesnt work, we'll see each other at the next table, with the next big thing happening.
while i am not one to think of change as a bad thing; change is neccessary on all levels. if it is new coke the numbers will show it and they will have a choice in the matter then...bring back the classic or stand firm in a smaller market.
the choice, ultimately, is ours. we can either indulge or not, but threats do us a disservice. the numbers will speak for themselves.
if you want to leave, leave. tell us where it is better and we will try it...maybe even follow.
when things get made by commitee they can take an unbearably long time to get things moving. this makes a move like this a good thing. i would like to see more. i would like to see graphics become a major part of the experience. i would like to be part of a thing that grows better with age.
i like the fact that i still see hitech answer questions on the boards from time to time. it shows a connection with a community that is rare and an accessability that is uncommon on a global market. i can call skuzzy. that is awesome.
i believe that HTC will listen carefully to your input and adjust accordingly, and i also believe that there are times when a change must be, even if it is a bad one, and so long as it is fixed for the betterment of the product.
i love this game. have since i started.
the possibilities which exist in my mind are massive. you would hate them.
so let's see how it pans out.
hitech, if i come back and leave, you know my vote.
if i stay....well there it is.
good luck gents.
88
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the most fun I've had in AH in a while. the early war arena was full of great fights and even better whines from the late war pre pubescent whiners complaining the tha La7 arena was empty. great stuff, if nothing else the comedic value of the whines due to the change will give me the sporadic chuckles for weeks on end. good job HTC.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Hubs im sorry you and your washed out buds have to make this game into an arcade.
I hate to break it too you, but "our" type of gameplay was around long before yours was.
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I used to play a game that would make arbitrary changes and have the attitude of take it or leave it. What was its name? Air Warrior.
I hope this new system works. I doubt that it will.
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I don't want to derail this fine discussion, but maybe if you guys could, check out the thread I started (author = Amigo ... it's my only one) and give some feedback? I seriously think it's a good idea to satisfy all.
Would love for people to just soak it in, mull it over, and ponder the possibilities. Then, probably flame my prettythang off as usual. :)
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That is not a vote, that is rent. You are a guest in HT's house.
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Originally posted by Grits
I hate to break it too you, but "our" type of gameplay was around long before yours was.
yep..and it died
and then they made the DA and Ava and it remained empty
whats it like being a dinosaur?
:lol :lol :lol
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Leave the early war arena for Hub and the boyz i want the old ma back.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
LOL murdr...you are actually comparing someone arguing with a BK as being an example?
puhleease...these morons do nothing but snipe others for the sake of "fun".
Exactly. Replace "a BK" in that sentence with an ethnic group of your choice, and read it back. Either way it's a stereotype of a distained group. Looks like a fracture to me.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
whats it like being a dinosaur?
:lol :lol :lol
I'm still here 14 years later, how many of the "win the war" crowd can say that?
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
yep..and it died
and then they made the DA and Ava and it remained empty
whats it like being a dinosaur?
:lol :lol :lol
Good point, empty DA and AVA. Hey lets split everything up! Look how well AVA and the DA has been doing....DOINK
my absolute last word on the matter "MISTAKE"
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I'll bet a buck that it has nothing to do with the server
I edited out the usual snide comments, hub...so that I can reply to the only sensible part of that post.
I will take that bet. I would bet large bucks that one of the biggest factors is server and communications capacity. Over the last several months, HTC has tried new servers, and a new network provider. None has fixed the connection problems we have all witnessed.
Now, HTC will not ever admit that. Dale seems to play his cards pretty close to the chest, and why not? It's his business. And he is ARROGANT, like most good, creative software developers. It's his way or the highway. Consult the community?? Why?? They don't know what they need--Hitech does!
As I posted in another venue, IMO they had two choices--somehow develop a faster, more robust and higher capacity communications engine, or split us up into smaller groups on multiple servers. Guess which answer is cheaper?
Servers are cheaper. Much cheaper. Software development is expensive, and time consuming. Not to mention the fact that there is a great big wall they run into, called the internet. You can only push so much data through a router so fast. Adding routers helps, but only up to a point. Soon, a practical limit is reached. I think they reached it. Now we have to pay the piper.
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I found:
- the early-war arena was refreshingly fun. You never got to land kills in those airplanes in the old MA.
- the mid-war arena plane set to be about what I expected before logging in and not disappointing at all.
- the late-war arenas to be less interesting, probably because of the freshness of the other two arenas.
Change is good. I'm still a youngster (mid fifties), so I'm not as stuck in my ways as some of the really old geezers here... :D
(Note: latency was about 40% higher than normal today for me with large latency spikes (over 500 ms) ocurring at the final router before 206.16.60.39.)
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[size=8]B[/size]ig [size=8]A[/size]rse [size=8]T[/size]hread!
However ... back to the beginning .....
Caught my eye
posted by Pyro!and perhaps even time periods outside of WWII such as WWI or the Korean War.
Spanish Civil War
My evil plan is working - mwahahaha![/size]
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At first I was pissed and hated it. After playing in each arena for a few hours tonight, I am starting to like it as far as the plane sets go. It's the numbers that I guess I am having a problem with. If each arena had the numbers like the old MA it would be perfect.
Wonder what the chances would be to have 1 week EW setup, 1 week MW setup, 1 week LW setup, then the final week of the camp have the old MA setup. Utilizing 1 Arena. This way each week offers something different and we still have good numbers in the arena. IMO that would be the way to go.
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Originally posted by Grits
That is not a vote, that is rent. You are a guest in HT's house.
as he is in ours. not to press the point, but it is as true as your statement.
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At first I was pissed and hated it. After playing in each arena for a few hours tonight, I am starting to like it as far as the plane sets go. It's the numbers that I guess I am having a problem with. If each arena had the numbers like the old MA it would be perfect.
Wonder what the chances would be to have 1 week EW setup, 1 week MW setup, 1 week LW setup, then the final week of the camp have the old MA setup. Utilizing 1 Arena. This way each week offers something different and we still have good numbers in the arena. IMO that would be the way to go.
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I would like to see 1 week EW setup, 1 week MW setup, 1 week LW setup, then the final week of the camp have the old MA setup. Utilizing 1 Arena. This way each week offers something different and we still have good numbers in the arena. If the map gets reset the setup stays the same. It wouldn't change or start over just because a map changed. IMO that would be the way to go. I personnally don't think the strickly LA7 or Spit 16 drivers would whine for very long once they got used to learning how to fly harder planes, besides each era has some sort of spit or the LA5 which is extremely close to the LA7.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Wonder what the chances would be to have 1 week EW setup, 1 week MW setup, 1 week LW setup, then the final week of the camp have the old MA setup. Utilizing 1 Arena. This way each week offers something different and we still have good numbers in the arena. IMO that would be the way to go.
This is EXACTLY what I proposed in my other thread. With added possible bonus of actually re-creating WWI through time. For all 700 pilots in one arena.
Check it out and reply with your opinion please. Thread is "How is breaking up community into 4 servers good again?" Thread starter = Amigo.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
I would like to see 1 week EW setup, 1 week MW setup, 1 week LW setup, then the final week of the camp have the old MA setup. Utilizing 1 Arena. This way each week offers something different and we still have good numbers in the arena. If the map gets reset the setup stays the same. It wouldn't change or start over just because a map changed. IMO that would be the way to go. I personnally don't think the strickly LA7 or Spit 16 drivers would whine for very long once they got used to learning how to fly harder planes, besides each era has some sort of spit or the LA5 which is extremely close to the LA7.
Agreed. The details of how the rotation changes is not important to me, nearly as much as KEEPING 700 PEOPLE TOGETHER ON ONE SERVER, yet still providing a good and fair challenge no matter what era the aircraft.
:)
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nah...friggen single MA was just a clusterph*k with any more than 400 people onboard and the maps were so big the left hand had no idea what the right foot was doing. It was simply a matter of there being too much of everything for any real sense of community.
Since Im on autoclimb Ill just leave it at that for now. Ive had some great fights in the last few hours (far better than the usual) and have really enjoyed my time online. Its all good for now.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Dale seems to play his cards pretty close to the chest, and why not? It's his business. And he is ARROGANT,
Met the Man far from arrogant, drunk yes arrogant no.
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Originally posted by doobs
Met the Man far from arrogant, drunk yes arrogant no.
A memory I will cherish for all time. But I'm not sure how I got home. And somebody threw up beside my car, dammit.
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Please Tell me this is a BAD JOKE. I agree whole heartily Amigo. The comradierie and squad play has always been what spending time online playing is about for me.
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Originally posted by Grits
I'm still here 14 years later, how many of the "win the war" crowd can say that?
since 1994 for me...same squad whole time...already did the furball..score thing...decided i like the comraderie....
how many hours did you play over last 6 months??? hhehehe :huh
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Well I spent the entire day from reset to 10:30pm in the early war arena. I had a blast, very even fights for fighters. Bombers were great, I could fly 88's and actually not worry all that much about getting banged by 10 LA-7's lol and with only T-34's and M8's as tank options the gv fights were exceptional, I actually had to manuver around my oponents to get to the sweet spots instead of the usuall sit and fire meathod.
I would have flown in the mid war arena, it looks to have a nice plane set and has my KI-61 and YAK9T in it but #'s were low. I'm guessing that they may increas after the new has worn off of the early war.
Problems I see....
First is the cap on the arenas, it should be bigger and not just because I belong to a large squad and this makes for any squad activity to be extreamly hard to plan or even exicute although this is a biggi. But tonight for example I was driving along in my T-34 and my system crashed and after I rebooted and went to get back into the early war arena it was full. :cry The mid war like I said didn't have many in it and I really didn't want to fly late war with all the LA's and such not to mention it sounds like they had problems with side balencing...this brings me to the next point.
While I see all these reports that Late war had only 30 some odd rooks and mass bish and nits the early war on the other hand had over 100 total rooks and 60 some bish and nits.... Just a tad unbalanced don't ya think??
Over all I think it could be ok but I think we need more room in each arena.
Just my thoughts.
Oh and should I put the map I'm biulding on the back burner and start trying to make a small one?
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I just dont see how the squad life and community is going to be destroyed here. Its going to change, it has to in order to adjust but jeeze man, kick it up some. Give it a chance. Most of the squads Ive watched play tonight seem to be functioning well.
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I fail to understand how 40 people fighting for 130 bases is interesting.
It's an economic scale. You want to do a hairy mission that needs 20 pilots? Ok, you need at LEAST 100 pilots online on your side to hopefully get a 20% participation. With 100, you'll be lucky to get 12 people join.
Honestly, the most people I've seen on even in US primetime is about 600 players (maybe spiking up to 700 briefly). That's 200 each side, for a few hours, if there's one server. Now multiply servers by 4.
50 players on each side and server, primetime, if things perfectly balance out. But they won't, because playing with 50 friendlies to try to take 130 bases against 50 enemies on your target bases is ... *yawn*. That's what happens on MA at 3am and it's time to log.
So they won't balance out. Everybody will pack into one of the 4 servers regularly within a few weeks, and the other 3 will be left to wither on the vine.
Sorry, but you can't take a player primetime base # of 600 players tops, and fragment it into 4 servers and still retain any sense of community and scale. About a week ago, I saw the Bishops launch a raid of at least 30 bombers (90 with wingmen), and it was the most glorious thing I'd ever seen. Certainly it took great coordination across several squads and even across alliances. That is history, unless everyone packs into one server again.
They will. And then you'll have only a handful of planes to choose from most of the time, instead of a regular ROTATION of time-period appropriate planes to choose from and learn.
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I CANNOT SEE HOW SPLITTING UP THE COMMUNITY COULD POSSIBLY BE GOOD FOR BUSSINESS. when we had 600 people in 1 arena the game play was great, the only times it was porked was when there was a massive furball going on, but with 600 people online there was always womewhere to go to have a good fight, without having the server pork the framerates. Now, with only50 - 150 people in an arena, everyone will gravitate to where the action is, so we have mega furballs resulting in porked game and pisspoor frame rates, and oh by the way,. there isnt anywhere else to go in the arena to find a fight, so we are forced to fight in crappin gameplay mega furball, or go fly by yourself .
But, i can see an upside to having an arena with 27 knights, 17 rooks and 13 bishops( as there was when i logged into late war arena)-DURING PRIME TIME PLAY HOURS; i can now go an milk run perk points without worrying about enemy . I guess though it ill only be a matter of time till HT does something to remove that option, untill then , i'm gonna stock up on perks, or fly in mega furballs with UFO darting through the air.
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"Sky is falling .... sqwad's gonna die" generally accompanies every change made to the game to date, doesn't it? `Course, I've not been active for awhile ... but my squad still lives. Go figure. And I plan to rejoin them ASAP. What I've read about the changes is only inspiring me to do so quicker.
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well you have a valid point there. But I stayed away from those missions so I dont feel the loss as you do. Might want to consider adapting, changing. Who knows...things might revert back to the old way but HTC rarely goes backwards after making a gameplay change.
Change we must.
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seconded.
asw
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The reason they cant have a MA with all the plane sets enabled is because it wouldnt work. No one would go into any of the other arenas. They tried this with the combat arena which was later changed to the allied-vs-axis arena and no body played there. As for the other aspects of this new change I prefere to keep my comments to my self cuz they wont be positive concerning the community. But I wasnt having fun in the old syle of arena play so maybe this will change things for the better.
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Im pleased as well, but I understand alot of peoples hesitation and frustration.
Just let some time pass and I think most everyone will settle in.
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Originally posted by KaK3
I CANNOT SEE HOW SPLITTING UP THE COMMUNITY COULD POSSIBLY BE GOOD FOR BUSSINESS.
"Splitting up the community?"
Originally posted by KaK3
when we had 600 people in 1 arena the game play was great
A horde isn't a "community." And you may be surprised how much a community benefits from:
A: A smaller/more intimate server enviroment.
B: Experiencing more of the planeset that makes for actually having fun in such a planeset.
My cents. And again, looking forward. My best memories come from the CT.
:aok
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Originally posted by Yeager
well you have a valid point there. But I stayed away from those missions so I dont feel the loss as you do. Might want to consider adapting, changing. Who knows...things might revert back to the old way but HTC rarely goes backwards after making a gameplay change.
Change we must.
Change we must? We pay the bills every month. The customers ALWAYS have the power, don't forget that.
I, just like the people that applaud the arena change, want to fly aircraft that are appropriate for the time period that those aircraft were used. I don't want to be raped in my beloved P40b by an LA7, pretending I'm re-living the heroism of the Flying Tigers in China just to have my little fantasy destroyed by a late war dominator. It's not fair, it's not historical, and it's not realistic. I love the idea of time-period segregation. I just think this is an astonishingly bad attempt at such.
Historical era segregation of aircraft can be accomplished without segregating the COMMUNITY of AH pilots onto different servers. Does nobody get this?
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At first I was pissed and hated it. After playing in each arena for a few hours tonight, I am starting to like it as far as the plane sets go. It's the numbers that I guess I am having a problem with. If each arena had the numbers like the old MA it would be perfect.
Wonder what the chances would be to have 1 week EW setup, 1 week MW setup, 1 week LW setup, then the final week of the camp have the old MA setup. Utilizing 1 Arena. This way each week offers something different and we still have good numbers in the arena. IMO that would be the way to go.
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WHAT fights? There was almost nothing happening in the midwar arena except for a few small and scattered furballs.
Late-war #2 was just a pure horde fest. Rooks couldn't go ANYWHERE to find a fight without being outnumbered about 4 or 5 to 1. How does shrinking the max cap of the arena discourage hordes? If anything it ENCOURAGES it by one country arranging to fill up all the spots to block out players by the other two.
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HTC!!!! Been here 8 months and by far this afternoon/tonight had the best time. Early era is excellent. Have a thing about a hurri1 and spit1 and its very nice not get HO'd, Cherry picked but uber planes (Although I do like the la7 but fly it low and slow and turn and burn). Being in a squad that primarily flies spits, I found them no problem.....sorry RedTop about my voice problems.
All and all I think this is going to work and if it does thin out "some" people then so be it.
as with everyone else just my .02
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its called RPS and HT state thats never going to happend
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Too bad many have yet to realize that the best plane matchup and choices isn't the early war arena but the mid war arena.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Arlo
"Splitting up the community?"
A horde isn't a "community."
Look up the definitoin of Community, i certainly isnt 10 or 15 people. Just use SA if you dont like large numbers, myself,I always love attacking hordes, I get more for my money and am not afraid of a lot of bad men coming at me.
Hordes are looked down by those that have no sucess against them, I have been frustrated many times by bigger numbers, but I'm not gonna whine if someone wants to organize a mission and bring 20-30 targets to one of my bases,
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OK, I'm daring HTC to put back the regular MA and still have the 3 seperate arenas with higher caps on players allowed. If at least 75% of the customers don't end up back in the old MA I'll cut my Mullet:D
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Too bad many have yet to realize that the best plane matchup and choices isn't the early war arena but the mid war arena.
ack-ack
well, it´s just first day. lets wait and see...
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That's the one I was looking at ack-ack.
SIK1
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Idea? Good. Execution? Bad.
Why such a limited max cap? Why MULTIPLE of the late-war arenas as a result?
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Originally posted by Arlo
"Splitting up the community?"
A horde isn't a "community." And you may be surprised how much a community benefits from:
A: A smaller/more intimate server enviroment.
B: Experiencing more of the planeset that makes for actually having fun in such a planeset.
My cents. And again, looking forward. My best memories come from the CT.
:aok
A robust community consists of hundreds of players, aligned within squads, which are aligned within Alliances of squads. That's "horde" to you? My friend, that is the structure of war.
Experiencing the planeset that makes for fun. I agree, it is needed. And it can be accomplished. Just not like this. Put everybody back on one server, have the server rotate through the planesets. Easy as pie, and everybody gets what they want. I assume you didn't actually read my proposal.
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If 600 people in one arena isnt an "option" for the server any longer, ..get a new server? I havn't found any degredation to game play with 600 people in one arena, unless there are more than 30 or so players in a furball, then gameplay quality isn't an option, so I just go somewhere else in the arena where the numbers are more manageable, but with the new set up, thereisn't anyewhere else to go because the numbers are so low and everyone gravitates to where the action is so we Still have poor game quality and FR., so how has this made it better.
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you speek a ot of sense amigo
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and i have to agree as my thoughts are the same,
rolling time perios would be sweet,
and i shall miss all the community side to the game,
sadly i think after the novelty wears off,
AH will lose bussiness,
isnt the reality of same era planes what that new game thier making is for....?
i think rolling time periods and rolling maps with 600 players is the best way however you look at it,
1, you can still perk farm on late eras even if you prefer earlier eras (me!)
2, the la 7 dweebs can juts suck on thier bottles during early war periods, they cant have what they want all the time can they... it might even un hook them off the addiction with la's,
3, the whole AH community wil be restored :)
4, ah will be likely to gain bussiness, isnt this an online game,, not some ps2 fighter game, isnt the commmunity side what sets this apart from normal sims.....
5,the community and new online freinds ive made/ top guys ive met on the game, are what have me so continusly playting the game, hope you guys get it right.
6, and jug missions of 30 ppl forever! :aok lmao
see ya
hulse2/ laurie hulse:furious :aok
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Originally posted by 50cals
This is a sad sad day to see this kind of change without any notice or consideration to US the "customer".
50cals, in my 6+ years in AH, "consideration of customer" hasn't been the main focus of AH it seems sometime. At times HT's attitude seems more " this is my ballgame- I'll do what i want when I want- if you dont like it play somehwere else".... I've never played warbirds...........but......
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Thank you for the support and voice of reason, Laurie.
Break up a 700 player community into 4 fragments= bad. Period. Anybody that argues this, well...I guess you don't fully understand the dynamics of online communities, or the value they add to the company's bottom line.
Align the planes to the time-period in which they served = GREAT. I love it. No more SpitXIV beating up (unrealistically and unhistorically) on the P40b driver.
How to combine the 2 needs? Uh, don't break the players apart and onto different worlds, HTC. Just rotate the war periods on the big 700 player server. Heck, make a great big re-enactment of all phases of WWII out of it for extra fun! Everyone is together still, fighting the big fights, but finally on the level playing field they want.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Wonder what the chances would be to have 1 week EW setup, 1 week MW setup, 1 week LW setup, then the final week of the camp have the old MA setup. Utilizing 1 Arena. This way each week offers something different and we still have good numbers in the arena. IMO that would be the way to go.
First idea ive liked besides mine..........
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Never say never, times change and there old opinion of that could also change. Least we could always hope. Maybe after this change and seeing all the responces from people who like the different plane sets, but hate the numbers disparity, they may rethink the idea. :)
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
WOW!! Hubs made another snide remark!!!:rolleyes:
What were the odds!!!:lol
Hubs im sorry you and your washed out buds have to make this game into an arcade. It has truly been a joy to have you guys not in the arena whining like the girls you are...if this change has brought you back then im doubly against it...honestly would never know where you idiots are except you cant stay off ch 200 or the BBS...
What snide remark? where can I enjoy it? Hubs has always been a passionate sportsman, sometimes antagonistic, rarely though does he go beyond Sportsmanship, and often a very good sport.
Your insultingly personal drivel will gladly be missed when Pyro or HT gets around to deleting your post. Sad when someones pumps himself up by trying to put someone else down. Stand on you actions and not you juvenile opinion.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
WOW!! Hubs made another snide remark!!!:rolleyes:
What were the odds!!!:lol
Hubs im sorry you and your washed out buds have to make this game into an arcade. It has truly been a joy to have you guys not in the arena whining like the girls you are...if this change has brought you back then im doubly against it...honestly would never know where you idiots are except you cant stay off ch 200 or the BBS...
What snide remark? where can I enjoy it? Hubs has always been a passionate sportsman, sometimes antagonistic, rarely though does he go beyond Sportsmanship, and often a very good sport.
Your insultingly personal drivel will gladly be missed when Pyro or HT gets around to deleting your post. Sad when someones pumps himself up by trying to put someone else down. Stand on you actions and not you juvenile opinion.
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Originally posted by KaK3
Originally posted by 50cals
This is a sad sad day to see this kind of change without any notice or consideration to US the "customer".
50cals, in my 6+ years in AH, "consideration of customer" hasn't been the main focus of AH it seems sometime. At times HT's attitude seems more " this is my ballgame- I'll do what i want when I want- if you dont like it play somehwere else".... I've never played warbirds...........but......
Aint that the truth
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Bravo Amigo, It's a sad day when writing in this stupid BB is more fun than flying
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Bring back the old Main arena, what 's another "main" arena anyway, we have 4 now with two late war arena? what's that about.. how about a late late war arena..
Seriously though, have 5 arenas, the old MA and the 4 new MA's and let the community decide where to play, I'll bet $100 bucks the old MA will have over 75% of the players at any one time, and those that dont like large numbers of targets can go to one of the 4 new arenas.
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Originally posted by doobs
Met the Man far from arrogant, drunk yes arrogant no.
It's funny how two people can meet the same person and get a completely different opinion of him.
I still say "arrogant", it's an occupational standard in the software business.
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Originally posted by KaK3
If 600 people in one arena isnt an "option" for the server any longer, ..get a new server? I havn't found any degredation to game play with 600 people in one arena, unless there are more than 30 or so players in a furball, then gameplay quality isn't an option, so I just go somewhere else in the arena where the numbers are more manageable, but with the new set up, thereisn't anyewhere else to go because the numbers are so low and everyone gravitates to where the action is so we Still have poor game quality and FR., so how has this made it better.
Dunno about you Kak3 but I found an extra 30% or so in frame rates and was able to up my screen resolution 1024x768 to 1280x960 and texture size from 256 to 512 and still see a moderate frame rate increase. Fights weren't hard to find either, I managed to get into a couple of really fun 1v1's, a couple of me vs a flock and a couple of massive furballs (all in the EWA/MWA). I took a quick peek in each of the two LWA's, saw nothing but MA standard game-play and ch200 "banter" before I logged off tonight and decided that I'll give those a miss for awhile.
But that's just what I saw.
asw
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Originally posted by Amigo
Change we must? We pay the bills every month. The customers ALWAYS have the power, don't forget that.
I, just like the people that applaud the arena change, want to fly aircraft that are appropriate for the time period that those aircraft were used. I don't want to be raped in my beloved P40b by an LA7, pretending I'm re-living the heroism of the Flying Tigers in China just to have my little fantasy destroyed by a late war dominator. It's not fair, it's not historical, and it's not realistic. I love the idea of time-period segregation. I just think this is an astonishingly bad attempt at such.
Historical era segregation of aircraft can be accomplished without segregating the COMMUNITY of AH pilots onto different servers. Does nobody get this?
My squad found eachother, and we had a blast(as usual). I had fun in the early and late war arenas, there really isn't that much differance...just the planes, not the people that fly em. Yeah change sucks when you don't know it's coming, but please give it a chance, I have had better fights tonight than I ever had in the MA....well maybe not that much better, but more fun, because I wasn't defending against much better planes in my not much better plane.. The fact is, I think this will work in the long run(I do want the old MA back though) Yeah I've been drinkin.
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Originally posted by 4510
If you have to have an incentive... then you are trying to create a desire that doesn't exist.
If the idea appeals to the customer base, then the customer base will support it. If they don't support it... the idea was a Turkey.
Put the limits on all arenas up around 600 and see where the customers go.
Then you will know what the customer base wants... not what someone supposes they want.
I think you are missing the point..they dont actually want you to choose...with the caps...they are choosing for us. Plain and simple...they dont want is ALL in one arena...this i understand...but why the hell should we be forced to fly a particular planeset if that other arena (the one with the planes we like) is full?
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Originally posted by detch01
Dunno about you Kak3 but I found an extra 30% or so in frame rates and was able to up my screen resolution 1024x768 to 1280x960 and texture size from 256 to 512 and still see a moderate frame rate increase. Fights weren't hard to find either, I managed to get into a couple of really fun 1v1's, a couple of me vs a flock and a couple of massive furballs (all in the EWA/MWA). I took a quick peek in each of the two LWA's, saw nothing but MA standard game-play and ch200 "banter" before I logged off tonight and decided that I'll give those a miss for awhile.
But that's just what I saw.
asw
I am happy for anyone who has a better lot in life, wether playing games or in RL. I have my Res to 1280x960 texture 512 and get 44-70 FR , nothing has changed from old MA, including UFO's when in a massive furball, but now I couldn't go somewhere else to find a mid size furball where game play quality isnt compromised beacuse the arena only had enough players for 2 huge furballs, one on each country front, so I was forced to fly in a jerky mega furball. Evenwhen we had 600 player main arena I was always able to find 1v1's or 1v3or more( the kind I like with me being the 1)
Bring back the old MA, keep the 4 new ones and let the community decide where to play
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I love the new setup... and while some say this is against multiplayer gaming i dont think so, i think the player base will grow and soon we have all four arenas filled up with a lot of people.
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This whole thing isn't permanent yet.
I like the whole set up though, I love the early war arena since it levels the playing field for those who want to fly early warplanes without fear of a performance-hog plane tearing them up. It was an absolute blast flying Zeros against F4Fs, Spit V's against some 109E's or P-38Gs and such.
My framerates are great too!
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Originally posted by Schutt
I love the new setup... and while some say this is against multiplayer gaming i dont think so, i think the player base will grow and soon we have all four arenas filled up with a lot of people.
If this happens, HT is a genius and I will eat my whiny words, and all will be well in time space continuem.
I don't see how we will get more than 700 players, if half of the people that say they are gonna pay/play somewhere else do so.
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The number of MA's isn't a problem for HT, so why not bring back the Old MA, keep the 4 new ones, and let the community decide which one to fly in, I will bet $100 that the Old M.A. has %75 or more of the total players, even if you put it ant the bottom of the List of MA's
( I'll only pay the $100 oncet if I lose though, so HT, take my bet please)
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are you saying 75% of AH players have no skill at all?
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OK, I've flown in early arena a couple of times now in a P-40E.
I'll agree that the "caps" need to be higher, that maybe four arenas is probably one too many (should probably combine the two late arenas into one), and that there needs to be a better way for squads to locate/contact each other (though I recall that HT said something about they were working on this); but
I had only flown in the previous MA twice (got clobbered early both times in six flights), so I avoided it (hoping to come back when I had more experience to take advantage of the better planes), and I'll tell you this - as a new flyer I had a h*** of a lot more fun these two times in the early arena than I had had in the MA. I not only stayed alive longer, I was able to land with my first four victories ever - and for me, a new flyer, that was extremely satisfying :) (oh, I did die twice before I was able to achieve this success :( , and yes I know I recieved those victories through the efforts of others [I salute you, whoever you are] :aok - but it felt so good).
I'll for now stick with "give it time". I expect that HT will tweak it in a couple of weeks and answer many (but not all) of the complaints.
In Pursuit,
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It's terrible. 200 people max? that's only 66 a side if evenly balanced. Huge Missions are gone. No more huge bomber and escort runs. I just am utterly amazed that HTC would do this. I could see adding an early war arena, but the Cap limits on these arena's are going to kill this game. How you didn't ask the community about this change is beyond me....
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Originally posted by KaK3
If this happens, HT is a genius and I will eat my whiny words, and all will be well in time space continuem.
I don't see how we will get more than 700 players, if half of the people that say they are gonna pay/play somewhere else do so.
Well...the average life span of the Online gammer will also dictate turnover rate...so there is a built in apex of sorts. I happen to think its is much lower than 700+ players. That isnt to say less than 700 subscriptions.
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There are times, sure, the 4 arenas should have enough players. After say 10:00 - 11:00PM PST, there were 5 or 6 dudes trying to defend an entire map against 30+, but in another arena those same dudes enjoy the big majority.
I like the idea, but if the arenas are not full enough to have fun like they are right this very minute, oh well I suppose. Americas Army & BF2 are still fun.
Those who proclaim they're going to un subscribe are fooling themselves, after 24 hours of no AH you'll be on the free trial "just to check it out", after a few fun twists you'll curse the new set up and call HT begging for you old name back.
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it supposed to be a discussion and notice, not just bill us for fresh pizza and deliver cold mashed potatoes perfectly put!
Someone mentioned the best furbal ever! That’s it we have created four furball maps. This sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok well I must admit I enjoyed early war it did provide good furballs. Now should we change the whole game to furball arenas with old planes and an arena with new planes? ~~The Unforgiven~~ have Pony pilots and I like to fly F4F but I can't because two different arena's. What was wrong with the MA too many players make it unstable? I suggest we add early war arena and keep the MA the same. I do believe early war arena will pull a good amount of players there to help stabilize MA.
:O :huh :t :furious
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Just logged in, and exactly what i suspected is true:
LateWar 1: 7 people
LateWar 2: 2 people
MidWar 9: people.
EarlyWar 50 odd people.
Now, when you divide each arena by the 3 countries, all but the Early war arena is just a waste of time - may as well just host a H2H room for free.
Why dont i go Early war?? Seems everyone else is. Because i like to fly P51s, always have, always will. I really dont like to fly too much else.
With this set up, i basically can no longer fly the aircraft i want to AND find someone to fight.
Logged off in total disillisionment for the first time EVER.
Something has to be done...
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it IS 4am.
Plus I think its best if you don't make threads and reply to Pyro's original stickied thread.
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Originally posted by RTSigma
it IS 4am.
There are other parts in the world except for the US...
Originally posted by RTSigma
Plus I think its best if you don't make threads and reply to Pyro's original stickied thread.
I have, making my point clearer.
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I think that all this *****ing is a little over-the-top as it is just the first day of the change.... Obviously there will be teething issues with caps and perks.
I would reply in the other thread... but it's such a mess that there's no point with it.
I would consider this a thread for those who are in off-peak time zones.
I am yet to play with this new set-up as I'm working a 12 hour shift today, so I've been watching this unfold here at work.
From what I've gathered, my only gripes are as follows:
-The cap limits will have an impact on missions, which are great fun.
-The segregation will have a serious impact on those who are in countries like Australia and NZ like myself and Spatula.... I fear we may have to say good-bye to missions due to the lower patronage at our ours of play.
I like this game but I don't want to have to play at ridiculous hours of the day or times when I have to work.
-The Perk price of the 190A-5 in the EA...
Obviously the perk and cap issues will need some teething, so that's not an urgent problem.
My only real concern here is the impact on non-peak players.
[edit] Oh, I also have concerns about the 3 countries thing... perhaps merging people to two would be better for balance's sake.
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The average medium-low number of players (between 100 and 300) during my euro time play now will be divided in 3, too bad .... Is this better than a classic rollin plane set in a single Main? Hmmmm ... :huh
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Originally posted by Spatula
Just logged in, and exactly what i suspected is true:
LateWar 1: 7 people
LateWar 2: 2 people
MidWar 9: people.
EarlyWar 50 odd people.
Now, when you divide each arena by the 3 countries, all but the Early war arena is just a waste of time - may as well just host a H2H room for free.
Why dont i go Early war?? Seems everyone else is. Because i like to fly P51s, always have, always will. I really dont like to fly too much else.
With this set up, i basically can no longer fly the aircraft i want to AND find someone to fight.
Logged off in total disillisionment for the first time EVER.
Something has to be done...
I'm going to give it a chance.
Look on the bright side, at least we don't have to chase La7s any more.
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I can't wrap my head around this decision. Wouldn't CT of helped take pressure off the MA? What is at all appealing about fighting in thinned out arenas? This game is fun because of the big numbers. If I wanted to fly around with me and myself, I would fly in AvA or go back to WB. Pay attention and believe me when I say I genuinely think this is a very bad idea and I may end up canceling my account because of it.
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I totally agree, I'm 100% willing to give it a chance and I'm actually looking forward to doing so!
Not having to deal with La queens Niki dweebs will be good. I do like my 109 G14....but early war sounds good.
I was just getting out a couple of time-zone concerns.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Im pleased as well, but I understand alot of peoples hesitation and frustration.
Just let some time pass and I think most everyone will settle in.
Yes, I'll second these comments.
I've always liked RPS since my WB days but appreciate it's not everyone's cup of tea.
Like chondo says numbers could be an issue, but maybe new format will increase subscribers. I can't believe HT made a big change like this without some market research.
Interesting that most heavily populated arena (at least when I was on) was early war.
Regards.:)
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Change will do you good. :aok
-C+
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Originally posted by Pyro
That is the history of every significant change(and some insignificant) in AH. Good thing we're used to it. :)
could we maybe to a public poll next week to see what the final outcome will be..... or are you keeping this no mater what?
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im not saying demolish the idea, i enjoy my time in the late war arena, i seem to stay alive alot longer in my 51d, and there was almost 200 people in it. but that still wasnt enough, by cutting out a few arenas we could see a boost to a more healthy number in the remaining arenas which i think is the only thing lacking at this moment
im willing to give it a shot, and i have told others to do the same on 200 and country, just needs fine tuning, definately a time HTC should be capitolising on their mature player-base for their opinions and critique
so lets not dissapoint, and not turn this into a mmo forum :aok
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From what can be gleamed from Pyros writeup, I doubt this will be changed since they've been waiting to do it for some time.
What if we had the normal MA with a rolling planeset arena as opposed to the multi-arena squad destroyer we have now? I'd imagine an arena with a rolling planeset would be appealing and serve the same goal of spreading out the player load.
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I have no problem with the concept. It just the time zones and the limited numbers of people at those times which make the parts of the game i like, untenable. We got 4 new MAs, with 3 countries per side = 12 seperate camps. Divide the all ready low patronage during the off hours by 12 and you'll start to have problems.
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instead of having 4 arena's why not have 2. 1 arena like you all had it before and other arena roll setting arena. and what i mean by roll setting is have early war at the beg. of the TOD and add new planes as the tod goes on. atleast it would be better than having four arena's and trying to find ur squad mates and what not. cuase what u got going now is some none sence, you should have 1 arena to where you can fly whatever you want. And the other 1 roll setting or do ur 4 arena's. in the early war arena it was reseted to the same dam map, plus it became boring now. i use to fly warbirds for 8.5 years and found out about AH and like'd it because it was more challenging, now its boring sence i have to log out of 1 arena just to fly different planes in different earas of the war, wtf. But i understand the you guys want a change, thats cool and all, but atleast have 1 arena like you had before the change. my personal note i cant stand the change, if anything if u did do a change like this and had it stick, do a roll setting, to where the 1st week we get early war planes/gv's, 2nd week some early mid war planes/gv's, 3rd week late mid planes/gv's and 4th week late war plane/gv's. something like that atleast. and something like that atleast we would have something to look forward to on week end and week out.
I really dont want to go back to flying warbirds....i made my new home here.
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I'm with Spatula on this one. AH goes in cycles of change, granted, but for those of us living in any time zone outside the continental US, getting a fight during non-peak hours has always been diffcult.
Until recently it could be downright boring and I quit AH because of that boredom.
I can see this current setup bringning back the boredom.
Voch5.
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MA! MA! MA! MA! MA! MA! This really, really, really sux!!:(
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and I'll tell you this - as a new flyer I had a h*** of a lot more fun these two times in the early arena than I had had in the MA. I not only stayed alive longer, I was able to land with my first four victories ever
That's because there is no one there to kill you, yippppeeee
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HTC will lose half of it´s players "
And I don´t believe that too. Some will leave, perhaps a bit more than usual after major changes. But I´m sure more than one furball-oriented player, who left out of boredom/frustration will come back. And after all, there is currently no real alternative on the market. Some might be sorry about that...
There is another game on the market, its called Warbirds 2007 which alot of ppl have come to HTC from and might have gone back to. and some have heard of and might go check out. I heard lots saying they gonna go check out warbirds. Just had to reply on that matter of u saying theres no real alt. on the market thing.
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I know this makes for three posts in rather short order but I have to keep coming back to it. Fine, you guys have to spread the player base out a bit due to server strain I would guess. But you must provide an arena like the old MA. If I want to fly a Hurri1 against a blob of Rooks in FT then I should be able to. Also four arenas is too many. The most I've ever seen online was a little over 700 players. So evenly spread out to all the MAs we have about 175 per arena or 60ish per side. Wow that's fun, it's like flying in the middle of the night. The biggest mistake you guys could make right now would be to do nothing. I'm not going after the need to spread things out, you have to do what you have to do. But in the attempt to spread the load, you have ruined the game. Right now, people in the game are commenting how the game now sucks without anybody even having to ask them. I still feel like I lack the words to properly express just how bad the current setup is. You didn't provide choice with the new arenas, you totally changed the game and blasted it to pieces. If you don't understand my reaction then maybe you're not playing your own game enough. I know for a fact that a lot of people have fun with this game because of the high number of people in it. Now the game feels more like Warbirds. And you know what Warbirds is, boring. And you know what I did when Warbirds showed itself to be boring, I left.
*Steps off soapbox*
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I LOVE the early war. Nice to have a chance in a 109E. I think we need more early war bombers though. Dont understand two late-wars. Dont understand mid and late war. They are roughly the same, with a difference of only about two or three planes. I say a mid- late- war arena, and an early. I like the division, I just had a hell of a time getting big BUFF missions together before this, and now I know they are dead and burried for sure with this change. It isnt too bad, theres still no way in hell I am leaving AH, I just wish they could have split it in only two, as those are the only REAL differences. I think we also need a B-17F for the early war. I would want an F even for the MA (I think its more beutiful than the G, and so I would fly it more than the G) and now that we have this its great. I dont know about what time, but I know the RAF operated the as Fortress-somethings (dont remember whether it was I II or III, but I have a book on the bird somewhere...) but yeah. Dont add a WWI or Korea though. Too many arenas already. I liked this game because I had come from games where the most that were ever on was 8. Coming from that into 500 was like heaven. Adding the Fortress to that was better than the whole 72 virgins could EVER be... so if we could condense things that would be great. Otherwise, I guess I just have to get used to it.
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I have the same concerns as Spatula about this new layout.
But i think well need to give it a few days and let the dust settle a bit before judging.
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Thanks to your patronage Aces High has grown to the point where a single Main Arena is no longer a sufficient solution. It is time for us to move beyond a single main arena.
You are very welcome to my patronage and it will continue. So, what your saying is the player numbers are getting to large for 1 arena, hence the change. If I am correct in this assumption (schools back now so player numbers will drop) will you have to take on an aggressive adverting campain to fill all arenas. May I respectfully remind you there are other time zones to be targetted.
This format will also provide more impetus for us to try and comprehensively develop the plane and vehicle set with stuff that would otherwise get swallowed up by the late-war monsters and see little use outside of special events.
This my friends is fantastic. More planes and stuff. Pitty you hadn't had 1 or 2 added to keep "die hards" happy with this new format. I love that new perk system. Lancs in early war perked...muhahaha.
Once again, thanks for your support. We hope you will find these changes refreshing. We’ve waited a long time to get here and we’re very excited about the many development directions this opens.
As above, you are welcome and I look forward to your developements of new terrains, planes, tanks and other stuff. My only concern is lack of players in my time zone. I fear that spreading the player base over 4 arenas is spreading things a little thin, for now. Perhaps the community will gravitate to just 1 arena in off peek periods. I do hope this will be addressed with recruiting players from around the WORLD.
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Once again, thanks for your support. We hope you will find these changes refreshing. We’ve waited a long time to get here and we’re very excited about the many development directions this opens.
As above, you are welcome and I look forward to your developements of new terrains, planes, tanks and other stuff. My only concern is lack of players in my time zone. I fear that spreading the player base over 4 arenas is spreading things a little thin, for now. Perhaps the community will gravitate to just 1 arena in off peek periods. I do hope this will be addressed with recruiting players from around the WORLD.
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If the vehicle guys get an arena, we should have a fighter town too.
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Once again, thanks for your support. We hope you will find these changes refreshing. We’ve waited a long time to get here and we’re very excited about the many development directions this opens.
As above, you are welcome and I look forward to your developements of new terrains, planes, tanks and other stuff. My only concern is lack of players in my time zone. I fear that spreading the player base over 4 arenas is spreading things a little thin, for now. Perhaps the community will gravitate to just 1 arena in off peek periods. I do hope this will be addressed with recruiting players from around the WORLD
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Originally posted by KaK3
Originally posted by Arlo
"Splitting up the community?"
A horde isn't a "community."
Look up the definitoin of Community
I get more for my money and am not afraid of a lot of bad men coming at me.
Maybe you should look up the word reality............ A lot of computer sprites are not a lot of bad men. Come up for air hero.:lol
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Originally posted by Amigo
A robust community consists of hundreds of players, aligned within squads, which are aligned within Alliances of squads. That's "horde" to you? My friend, that is the structure of war.
Heh. Could be. Makes for a pretty sad GAME, though.
- oldman
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Spatula, mate, I agree with you.
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I actually like the Early War, since the only non-early-war planes I like are the B-17, and the Me-262 (Which I have never had enough perks to fly)
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It just sucks, not having acces to the planes i like to fly, no ppl on arena, and not to play with the ppl i like to.
I havent played for long this time, but i have played AH on and off for many years, and never have an seen arene even close to full, not even last months.
So in my eyes this is just an excuse to make ppl give upp teamplay on thoose small maps and make AH into a booring dogfight game.
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Geez some people get all up in arms over things without thinking them through.
No I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, but let's think about this...
This is the first major change to AH in a couple of years. Do you think that they changed it just for the sake of change?
This HAS to be a precursor to the release of CT. Again, think about it. You need to develope your character in CT. To do it properly you need the time periods and plane sets of the war split close to what they are now. You wouldn't want ME262's in the early war because they weren't there. And, they would need time to work out the plane set and any bugs in other changes before the release of CT.
While I don't particularly like the current arrangement, all I'm saying is slow down, take a deep breath and think of what good may come of this.
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just move to the US, problem solved :)
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Originally posted by Schutt
I love the new setup... and while some say this is against multiplayer gaming i dont think so, i think the player base will grow and soon we have all four arenas filled up with a lot of people.
It would have to grow very soon and very rapid.
And still style of play & choice of planes would be restricted in various ways.
Right now we have 65 players in Early, 8 in Medium, 8 In Late War One and 22 players in late War to. And sides are more imbalanced I had ever seen:
58% of players in Early Arena are rooks, 57% in Medium are Knights, and in late war Bish make up a whopping 65% of all players
Is that supposed to be fun?
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Originally posted by Eagler
just move to the US, problem solved :)
There isn´t money enough to get me to move there.
The point is, how often have the arena hit maximum capacity?
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The 13th was my birthday, got a big honkin 22" flat panel, and got to fight in early war for HOURS. This is frikkin awesome. I'm a P47N guy, normally get 150-200 kills in it every camp, but I STILL like early war-- ya NEVER get 1 ping deaths there from ho'n hizooka/La7 tards--- a minimal amount of fighting must ensue before a plane falls from the sky. T34 fights are fluff'n funny too......15 seconds later... ....15 seconds later.. .....:lol
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Originally posted by Lusche
and in late war Bish make up a whopping 65% of all players
Is that supposed to be fun? [/B]
And yet us Knights STILL won Late War Two!!! HAH!!! BURNED BIATCH!!! lol. sorry. my first map win, and I did it in a TBM.
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Originally posted by NHawk
This HAS to be a precursor to the release of CT. Again, think about it. You need to develope your character in CT. To do it properly you need the time periods and plane sets of the war split close to what they are now. You wouldn't want ME262's in the early war because they weren't there.
That may be. But because of the upcoming CT (which I did & still do await eagerly) they have to take away MA?
But from various postings on this BBS I got the impression that CT would be an addition:
Originally posted by Pyro
TOD does not replace any current offerings. It is an addition, not a replacement. It doesn't replace the various arenas
( http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=157903 )
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thanks again HT!! Great fun in early war.
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OHHHHHHH THE HUMANITY!#!@!@
All you BOPs are whining like a bunch of BKs. Why don't you just take your 200+ members, pick an arena, and fight each other. Sorta like the ultimate king of the hill thingy.
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I am mostly online when europeans and north americans are not.Numbers are really low.But i still think this is a nice change.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
OHHHHHHH THE HUMANITY!#!@!@
All you BOPs are whining like a bunch of BKs. Why don't you just take your 200+ members, pick an arena, and fight each other. Sorta like the ultimate king of the hill thingy.
:D :D
(http://www.geaonline.org/images/Who%20Moved%20My%20Cheese.gif)
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I think that there needs to be limits on how many to a side.... some kind of side balancing so that you can't have 100 of one and then 20 of each of the others.... There also maybe needs to be the ability to change sides more often in order to even things up.
I can see why this whole arena thing is so abhorent to the mega squads.... Imagine if you will... they all sign on in an arena as say... rooks... the whole rook country is say BOP's.... the entire country full of guys who....
If they meet another plane they are about three times more likely to die than to win.
no place for the whordes to hide... everyone sees how much they suck. The best planes won't let em run away with impunity... in fact... there will be guys with bundles of perk points to chase em down and slaughter em in fast perked rides. They can't fight and they can't run and... on the small maps.. they really can't "sneak" as effectively.. Their members will look around and......
Any BOP's with CH gear..... I could use some spares. ten cents on the dollar... best offer you are gonna get.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
I think that there needs to be limits on how many to a side.... some kind of side balancing so that you can't have 100 of one and then 20 of each of the others.... There also maybe needs to be the ability to change sides more often in order to even things up.
I can see why this whole arena thing is so abhorent to the mega squads.... Imagine if you will... they all sign on in an arena as say... rooks... the whole rook country is say BOP's.... the entire country full of guys who....
If they meet another plane they are about three times more likely to die than to win.
no place for the whordes to hide... everyone sees how much they suck. The best planes won't let em run away with impunity... in fact... there will be guys with bundles of perk points to chase em down and slaughter em in fast perked rides. They can't fight and they can't run and... on the small maps.. they really can't "sneak" as effectively.. Their members will look around and......
Any BOP's with CH gear..... I could use some spares. ten cents on the dollar... best offer you are gonna get.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Lol Lazs, U calling out a whole squad? :rofl
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Originally posted by SuperDud
OHHHHHHH THE HUMANITY!#!@!@
All you BOPs are whining like a bunch of BKs. Why don't you just take your 200+ members, pick an arena, and fight each other. Sorta like the ultimate king of the hill thingy.
Love you too baby ;)
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for those of you who think this is so much better and want people to quit...why do you feel that way? game play hasnt changed at all, ,its not forcing people to play a certain way...there is still HOicanes, hi alt picking monkies, gang banging hordes and every other crap thing that many complained about happening in the MA. except now you have to worry about getting into an arena during primetime, is your squad gonna be in taht one you get into, or are you going to be one of 10 bish going up against 60 nits and 40 rooks.
only thing good i can see is, you get picked by hi alt 190s vice la7s...whoopee...different plane, result the same.
so, what are your reasons for telling people who dont share your opinion to leave? what is that they dont see that you do? in all this drivel I havent seen to much of that, just alot of people thinking its funny others are upset.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Sure Guppy... everyone wants to fly the same birds all the time in each squad...
There is nothing good for squads in this change.
Maybe HTC is trying to break up squads with this change????
IIRC, CT will not have squads.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I think that there needs to be limits on how many to a side.... some kind of side balancing so that you can't have 100 of one and then 20 of each of the others.... There also maybe needs to be the ability to change sides more often in order to even things up.
I can see why this whole arena thing is so abhorent to the mega squads.... Imagine if you will... they all sign on in an arena as say... rooks... the whole rook country is say BOP's.... the entire country full of guys who....
If they meet another plane they are about three times more likely to die than to win.
no place for the whordes to hide... everyone sees how much they suck. The best planes won't let em run away with impunity... in fact... there will be guys with bundles of perk points to chase em down and slaughter em in fast perked rides. They can't fight and they can't run and... on the small maps.. they really can't "sneak" as effectively.. Their members will look around and......
Any BOP's with CH gear..... I could use some spares. ten cents on the dollar... best offer you are gonna get.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
:rofl
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Originally posted by lazs2
I think that there needs to be limits on how many to a side.... some kind of side balancing so that you can't have 100 of one and then 20 of each of the others.... There also maybe needs to be the ability to change sides more often in order to even things up.
I can see why this whole arena thing is so abhorent to the mega squads.... Imagine if you will... they all sign on in an arena as say... rooks... the whole rook country is say BOP's.... the entire country full of guys who....
If they meet another plane they are about three times more likely to die than to win.
no place for the whordes to hide... everyone sees how much they suck. The best planes won't let em run away with impunity... in fact... there will be guys with bundles of perk points to chase em down and slaughter em in fast perked rides. They can't fight and they can't run and... on the small maps.. they really can't "sneak" as effectively.. Their members will look around and......
Any BOP's with CH gear..... I could use some spares. ten cents on the dollar... best offer you are gonna get.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Laz just admit that you're in love with us so we can get the wedding over with.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
OHHHHHHH THE HUMANITY!#!@!@
All you BOPs are whining like a bunch of BKs. Why don't you just take your 200+ members, pick an arena, and fight each other. Sorta like the ultimate king of the hill thingy.
Umm you must not have read shubie, Thndr or my post sir....
While we all have concerns about how our squad will operate not all of us think this is totally a bad change just that it needs some tweeking.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
how many hours did you play over last 6 months??? hhehehe :huh
Probably less than 10 hrs in the last 6 months. I have a life outside of this game.
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eh Grits :)
Just remember you're arguing with an intardnet type who "can't remember being this mad" and whose "fingers are shaking" (this alone rings the bell calling for a therapist) as he types about a video game.
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LOL, true.
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I think they should make only 2 arenas. 1 being from 1941-1943 up to june of that month. 2nd arena have it from july of 1943-1945 plane sets. The actual dates when planes were entered into war. 4 arenas is to much.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Second, 200 people in an arena is PLENTY. How do I know? I've spent the past four or five years flying in an arena that, on its most crowded night, had just over 100.
WRONG
Some of us couldn't even get in all night.
200 is not plenty. Try 300 or 400.
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I feel it was a bad idea, concived in a hasty manner. satisfy the "I want to furball "crys. Majority of ppl have said they dislikeit including myself. I hope HTC hears the consumer before the room falls silent.
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I just find it funny that the mega squad guys and the la7 and peeee 51 guys who all told everyone else to quit whining about the old cherry picking, head on, late war centric whorde MA...
Are now not only boooooo hoooooing like little girls but threatening to quit and having for reall hisssy fits! so much angst that their fingers are shaking as they type!!!
Not only that but.....
The most ironic thing is that now they are talking about "comprimise"... they are suggesting ideas that, if suggested by opponents even a week ago.... would have gotten accusations of whining from them.
They have proved themselves to not only be timid and skilless but now.... hypocrites.
What has killed the community and the MA was the mega squad... they recruited the poor newbie who didn't know any better and made him feel that learning to fight was overrated... heck..... the guy running the whold mess couldn't win a fair fight even once in a blue moon and lost a third of the time when he was holding all the cards..
Hopefully... the mega squads will break up and the new guys will get around a little to experiance and gain skill. This will be the real community... Look at the AVA... or CT... bad idea allied vs axis but... good idea to focus on the fight... great guys for the most part... new guys learn more there than 5 years in a mega squad...
5 years in a mega squad and you probly won't be any more able to defend yourself than the Co of that squad....
oh.... can we get the F4f-3 modeled and maybe a allison powered peee 51?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
but dont sweat it sweetheart..instead look forward to 50 BoPs logging in at 5pm (tying up slots because we want to make sure we get on) and waiting for squad night and then rolling any arena we want...see that doesnt sound too fun for us either...
Too bad...sounds like a target rich enviroment to me.
ack-ack
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Juding by #'s on at various times I've been checking...
I'd say the people who want tough, even fights are the silent majority. At any given time early war has led both late war arenas combined by 33%.
I fought my bellybutton off in a 109f vs p40s, spits, 109s, 110s... it was freakin' fantastic. Only HO encounter of the night was in the middle of a break, accidently ramming somebody nose to nose. People actually turned and rolled instead of blowing through with a 150mph speed advantage. Less people alt-whoring because it takes too long to get there :lol
Mid-war is hurting though. Seems like it may be a wiser plan to either fold them into early war as perk planes, or fold them into late war as high ENY rides. That, and combine late war arenas and raise the cap a bit. Right now the player density there is sucking.
Great change so far though. Should get even better with alittle tuning. :aok :aok
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Originally posted by Amigo
I fail to understand how 40 people fighting for 130 bases is interesting.
Make it a lot easier to find a 1v1 fight with those numbers. Was nice in the mid-war arena last night, no more than 30 on and each fight was a 1v1. Paradise.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Amigo
Experiencing the planeset that makes for fun. I agree, it is needed. And it can be accomplished. Just not like this. Put everybody back on one server, have the server rotate through the planesets. Easy as pie, and everybody gets what they want. I assume you didn't actually read my proposal.
No, you're wrong...everyone will not get what they want. Those that fly late war planes will have to wait until the planeset rotates and enables those planes, so basically you're either forcing a player not to play until their ride of choice becomes available or forcing them to fly something they don't want to.
But here's a hint from someone that has been around for a lot longer than you have...it's just a game and the sky is not falling.
ack-ack
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it's simple. take one of the late war arenas and enable all of the planes, calling it the MA again, and raise the numbers a bit.
that way people who don't want it changing have the old MA back, while those that love the early war are still happy. thankyou HTC :) (hint hint)
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Originally posted by lazs2
I just find it funny that the mega squad guys and the la7 and peeee 51 guys who all told everyone else to quit whining about the old cherry picking, head on, late war centric whorde MA...
Are now not only boooooo hoooooing like little girls but threatening to quit and having for reall hisssy fits! so much angst that their fingers are shaking as they type!!!
Not only that but.....
The most ironic thing is that now they are talking about "comprimise"... they are suggesting ideas that, if suggested by opponents even a week ago.... would have gotten accusations of whining from them.
They have proved themselves to not only be timid and skilless but now.... hypocrites.
What has killed the community and the MA was the mega squad... they recruited the poor newbie who didn't know any better and made him feel that learning to fight was overrated... heck..... the guy running the whold mess couldn't win a fair fight even once in a blue moon and lost a third of the time when he was holding all the cards..
Hopefully... the mega squads will break up and the new guys will get around a little to experiance and gain skill. This will be the real community... Look at the AVA... or CT... bad idea allied vs axis but... good idea to focus on the fight... great guys for the most part... new guys learn more there than 5 years in a mega squad...
5 years in a mega squad and you probly won't be any more able to defend yourself than the Co of that squad....
oh.... can we get the F4f-3 modeled and maybe a allison powered peee 51?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Since you clearly missed the whole point, I'll type more slowly for you. We told you to stop whining because you were telling everyone else how to play, while we are responding to a major change in the structure of the game which has nothing to do with how people play. It would of been like if HT turned AH into a card battle game. We went from big maps packed with action where you could do anything to 4 little maps where there is nothing but huge mismatches in numbers. For gods sake, this morning a 262 cost over 750 perks because Bish made up over 65% of the players in Late War 2. Hitech will have to change the name of the game to something other than Aces High because there are so few people on there will never be an ace again. And I greatly enjoyed being able to take my Hurri1 into FT to shoot down spit16s and la7s. Now not only do we not have FT, but a Hurri1 can't fly in such a mismatch anymore. If what we've seen so far is any indication, we'll be seeing a lot more hordes now which I know is just what you wanted.
Bring back the old MA and have another arena with a rolling planeset, mission accomplished. At the very least, merge the two late war arenas into one and make the cap 400.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
didnt you guys learn anything from air warrior????
???????? :rolleyes:
I`m sure a lot was learned from AW. #1 Would be that AW had the best online community of any sim so far. #2 Would be that AW was the Grandpappy of em all and loved by those who played it. #3 Would be that EA blows chunks the size of basketballs. Never sell the rights to a game to EA if you wish it to survive. EA buys and shuts down all competition it can get it`s paws on.
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AW was dead many years before EA ever came into the picture.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Reynolds
I think we need more early war bombers though. Dont understand two late-wars.
I have been advocating for the B-25C, Wellington Mk III, TB-2 and G4M2 for that very reason.
And the Ju188A-2 for the later war Germans.
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Originally posted by MwDogg
I think they should make only 2 arenas. 1 being from 1941-1943 up to june of that month. 2nd arena have it from july of 1943-1945 plane sets. The actual dates when planes were entered into war. 4 arenas is to much.
You know, you might have something there...
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
Okay 200 players per arena? That CAP I think is a bit low and going to cause issues and break apart squads. The part of squads is flying together. I really don't car about scoring or the rank of my squad. I care about flying with them and seeing them off my wing.
200 pilot CAP reminds me of old Air Warrior days and my gut says way to low. 300 per arena would be a better number.
Exactly! The 200 player cap is not going to work. If our squad were to have all squadies fly at the same time it would take more than half the entire arena player capacity. I would suggest making the capacity in the 400-500 area. Overall I like the multiple arena approach as it has been tried and proven in the past in a game long long ago in a galaxy far far away.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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"Hey Dale - What happens if we shake it?"
"I don't know Pyro - try it!"
(http://www.aboyd.com/images/ant_farm.gif)
:rofl
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Originally posted by MwDogg
I think they should make only 2 arenas. 1 being from 1941-1943 up to june of that month. 2nd arena have it from july of 1943-1945 plane sets. The actual dates when planes were entered into war. 4 arenas is to much.
erm what about 1939 till 1941?
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
"Hey Dale - What happens if we shake it?"
"I don't know Pyro - try it!"
(http://www.aboyd.com/images/ant_farm.gif)
:rofl
That the best you could do, Wofl?
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these would be nice to see
P36C
P39D
P38E/F
P40F/k
P400
F4F3
G Gladiator
HurriIIb
Brewster B299
CA12
D520
MS406
VG33
C714
MB152
Fokker DXXI
La3
Yak1
MiG1
PZL P24
Bf109C/D
Bf109E7
FW190A3
He112
Cr42
G50
Mc200
Re2000/2001
Avia B.534
IAR80/90
IK3
A5M4
Ki27
Ki43
I know i know wishful thinking, but just saying.
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My 2 cents:
After reading the twelve pages of discussions on the new format:
I have to agree about wanting the old MA back and raising the caps on the arenas. I couldn't logg into some of the arenas last night because they were full, this has never happened before. The problems of finding your squad members are on point, I also since flying in this game I have come to
make a lot of new flying buddies which now can not be located in other arenas. I really enjoyed the way AH used to be and will give the new formatt a try but as of now I don't like it one bit.
Also why the new change without letting your paying customers know about it? If something isn't broke you don't fix it!!!!
I only hope that the new changes don't chase away a lot of your paying customers that really enjoyed the old way of AH.
If possible please give us back the old MA with larger maps a long with your new formatt with larger caps and give the paying customers a choice of where they want to fly.......
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Originally posted by sullie363
Since you clearly missed the whole point, I'll type more slowly for you. We told you to stop whining because you were telling everyone else how to play, while we are responding to a major change in the structure of the game which has nothing to do with how people play.
Wrong. The change has everything to do with how people play the game since it has clearly affected the ability of your squad to engage freely in the sorts of activities it once enjoyed. It limits the types of planes and vehicles players use based on the type of arena, and this impacts the sorts of fights and the sort of "war" we encounter. The change is fundamental, and you cannot change the structure of the game without changing how people play it. The lower arena number limits, for example, dictate the size of the maps each arena uses.
The problem is that you do not like how this new structure influences the way you play. The old structure suited the way you played very well, so you had few complaints about it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Hate to say this, but I think the change will be good for the future of AH. I'm sort of surprised this type of changed happened since HiTech was sure it was the players that had changed, and not the game in another thread.
What this new idea will affect the most is the large squads like the 'Birds of PrAy', it will slice and dice them until they numbers will more closely resemble the rest of the MA squads. Not surprisingly, they are also the ones that are most vocal right now.
Take a look at some of the quotes below...
Originally posted by rshubert
I am a member of a VERY large squad, of people I like to interact with (wink,wink). The effect of this will be to break us up into smaller groups. That, I hate. I enjoy being a BoP, and enjoy taking over the arena on Monday nights when we all get together.
Originally posted by viper215
You have to put it back HT this is the WORST idea ever.
Originally posted by FALCONWING
each arena is being dominated by one coutrny...waiting to log on becuase other arenas are full....2 knits vs 80 combined bish/rooks in late war2. and i cant evenimagine what the morning will look like....hunting for fights or milkrunning empty maps....this is what made awc suck!
Originally posted by FALCONWING
the EXCITEMENT of one squad dominating an arena...AND learn terms like "milkrunner" and "B-n-Zer"
Originally posted by sullie363
We went from big maps packed with action where you could do anything to 4 little maps where there is nothing but huge mismatches in numbers. For gods sake, this morning a 262 cost over 750 perks because Bish made up over 65% of the players in Late War 2.
They enjoy dominating the arena with numbers, but don't like it when it bites them.
Some of the best fights I've ever had are against current and previous squadmates, split up your squad and have some fun. :)
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but then they'll die :)
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why are the Gun at airfields and carrier not working all the times, makes them easy pickings. so far i'm disappointed, got sdome bugs to work out.
TalonII
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Originally posted by BugsBunny
Anyone remembers what happened when Coke decided to change the original formula with out asking their customers, because they knew better?
I have a feeling this place is going to be really fun in the coming weeks :O
Actually Bugs, that was probaly the most ingenious marketing strategy of all time. pepsi and coke were locked in a stagnant cola war. coke comes out with an obvious inferior product. coke fans go beserk. pepsi fans curious.coke fans demand the reinstatement of their beloved product. coke apologises and with great fanfare brings back the oriinal. who's the hero? coke. who got all the free press? coke. who is numero uno? coke. brilliant. btw, havent seen new map yet. but, everyday there was a complaint about something. these people have tried to address that complaint.maybe this isn't the finished product. maybe it will be some mutated version of both. give these people a doggone standing O for at least doing something fresh.
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and btw, i still havent figured out yet how to make a new paragragh on this dam thing. i need some smartas to give me a pointer. and dont say hit enter 3 times.lol.
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Originally posted by COBA94
and btw, i still havent figured out yet how to make a new paragragh on this dam thing. i need some smartas to give me a pointer. and dont say hit enter 3 times.lol.
Hit ENTER twice
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Originally posted by COBA94
and btw, i still havent figured out yet how to make a new paragragh on this dam thing. i need some smartas to give me a pointer. and dont say hit enter 3 times.lol.
Hit
enter
three
times.
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One of the most irritating things about the new arenas is that is difficult, if not impossible, to find a good gv battle. Not only are the maps much smaller with less bases, there are almost no vbases at all. And in the early war arena, T-34 vs T-34, lets face it, it's not that interesting. Also now that we have 4 arenas, the players are split up, making it hard to find a good furball.
On the positive side, it is nice to have something to spend bomber perks on other than a Ar 234, and its kinda neat having a Lancaster perked.
However, the arena that I probably would be most likely frequent is the mid-war arena, just because I like those sort of planes, but since there isn't even half the players that are in the other arena, it doesn't interest me that much. Again, it's too hard to find a decent fight.
So anyway, I'll wait and see how this works out, my subscription will need to be renewed in a week or two, but now I'm not sure whether I'll renew it or not. It's too bad, I was starting to really like this game, but it seems like its messed up now.
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Originally posted by Overlag
erm what about 1939 till 1941?
Don't be silly overlag!
Everyone knows the war only started in 1941, when America entered it. Did you know America also won the Battle of Britain???
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Originally posted by pluck
i don't see how this will break up squads. if flying together is so important, which it is, than do it. organize your organization:)
Yeah, but HOW? With 90 people, and say 50-60 of them on for a squad night, where is you think we're going to fit with a cap as low as they are? What's going to happen is a good number will make it in an arena until it fills. The rest will have no way to let those inside they are outside waiting to get in, something that might make those inside leave to find another arena where we can all fly together in.
At that point, what will the arena look like we're all going to fit into? It's going to likely be very low-populated, such that when 60 or guys show up that alone will throw the entire arena out of balance - BADLY out of balance.
I realize some don't like the idea of many people flying together because they view it as hording, but it isn't like that usually. Probably half our previous squad nights were spent defending bases from OTHER hordes, which made the fights MORE fair, not less. The way it is now, you could have 130 of one side, and only manage to get 35 of so opponents on the opposite sides, making it a huge imbalance. Nor is this a problem solved with ENY; some guys have THOUSANDS of ENY points, and spending 12 or 25 here and there is no big deal, even with ENY multipliers.
Some parts of this change are really good, really admirable, with terriffic potential, like having all the early planes off in one arena. It's just these dang cap limits that present an obstacle for enjoying them with friends.
HT and Pyro, PLEASE reconsider them and jack them up a bit. Maybe even think about capping each country to a maximum, so you don't have 150 vs. 25 vs. 25. What would be wrong with each country maxing out at say, 100-125 people, and when that limit is reached, only members of opponent countries could get in until they too reached their limit?
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I was hoping that the mid war arena would not have the Tiger tank available, so the panzers and T34's could have good gv battles without interfearance from the dominating tigers. But maybe this does not line up correctly cronalogically with the arena eras.
If the Tiger can not be removed from the mid war arena, maybe we can perk it heavier in the mid war arena then in the late war arena. For example:
When Perk point bonus is even (1.0) a Tiger costs 50 points in the late war arena, But that same tiger will cost 200 points in the Mid war arena when the perk point bonus is even (1.0). This should make Tigers more scarce in the mid war arena's so their could be better even battles between panzers/T34's.
I have another idea for perk points that will probably get alot of negative feedback, but that i think will make the game better. The idea of perkies carring over month to month is good, but it is rediculous that some player have 25,000 perkies saved up so they can up Tigers and 262 any time they like. Most of these players with the carzy numbers of 25,000+ perkies are carry over from the AH1 days when their were exploits in the game that allowed them to accumulate so many perkies. I think perk points should be carried over each month, but only at a 90% rate. This way over the course of a year the people with the 25,000-50,000 perk totals will be gradually brought on par with the rest of the comunity. And if they really are that good that they can acheive that type of perk numbers then a 90% carry over each month should not effect them that much. Bottom line, this will even out the perkies for all but the elite players who may be able to overcome the 10% monthly carry over penalty.
For eample i usually average betweeen having 500-1000 perk points in the 3 catagories at the end of the month, so lets say i finished this tour with :
Fighter perks = 600
Bomber Perks = 1000
GV Perks = 400
At the end of the month my new total would be:
Fighter perks = 600 - 60 = 540
Bomber Perks = 1000 -100 = 900
GV Perks = 400 - 40 = 360
Still more then enough to let me use some ubber rides the next tour and try to maintain these perk numbers for carry over to the next month.
But the guy with 25,000 Perks will be loosing 2.500 perks to penalty, so unless he is really that good of an ace, eventually over the cource of a year or two his perk numbers will come down and be more on par with the rest of the community.
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Your going to see the arenas become control by one country in each one.
You log in and find, your country out numbers everyone else in mid war, you go to that one because, you like the odds. Or in an arena where your becoming out number by the other side, you leave because you don't like getting kill before you get off the ground.
or 5 squad leaders, with 25 members each, plan to enter the same arena at the same time. Now with 125 more players from the same side, the other sides start to leave to avoid a loosing fight.
So to avoid the trouble let just set things up now.
Bishop can have the mid war, Knights can have the late war 1, Rooks can have the late war2. Early war is for solo players.
No more HOs or Cherry picking and your side wins the war every night.
At least with only one MA, everyone was in it and yes some times things got one sided. But that was just a matter of numbers and every side had more player from time to time.
Now just five players can control it.
Have fun.
Jolly
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Originally posted by dtango
Guppy -
My livelihood is based on making sweeping changes in global businesses. Here's a simple formula regarding managing change...
current 0 / new + = high probability of successful change
current + / new + = high probability of successful change
current 0 / new 0 = good probability of successful change
current + / new - = high probability that change will be unsuccessful
current + / new 0 = good probability that change will be unsuccessful
In essence, anytime the new is less positive than the old, the success of a change is in jeopardy.
For squads like the 412th FS the current arena settings are a double whammy. There are two negatives in the new setup that we have to overcome - 1) a love for the Mustang which is at odds with switching arenas, 2) flying together which is at odds with the way the arena capping works right now and the inability to find and message each other in real time to move to the same arena.
To make #1 a positive for me and others like me - HTC needs to give me some incentive that makes it a positive to fly other planes. Simply stating that other planes exist so go fly them isn't enough of a tangible incentive. I love the Mustang. There's a reason I love the Mustang and choose that over other planes. Give me a good, worthwhile, tangible incentive to fly something else besides the Mustang.
To make #2 a positive HTC needs to come up with some way to overcome either the cap limit issue and/or a way to figure out in realtime which squadmates are online, which arena they are in, and ways to communicate to them in realtime to go to the same arenas. A squad MOTD message is not enough of a mechanism to do this with the current cap limits.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
So take the crowd to midwar and hunt 80th 38Gs and Js in P51Bs :) OK so you have to do it with 4 50s instad of 6, but that Malcom hooded B is a nice liking kite and still a Mustang. The majority of the great 51 Aces made their names in Bs during the Spring of 44 so it's not like it's a dog of a 51.
We're sticking with the 38s since that's our ride of choice. The L drivers are now flying Js, so it's no power assisted ailerons or dive flaps. As a 38G driver it just doesn't matter to me with none of that and no wep too :)
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My biggest gripe is that world, squads and planes are split over 3 arenas.
One of the good points of this game was everyone in 1 world. This helped build the community as well.
Its understandable that MA got a little too crowded, but i thought thats why CT was in development.
I dont mind being forced to fly a certain plane, but i do mind the way that HTC forced us to use diffrent planes in diffrent worlds in MA.
If you experimenting with arenas couldnt you add 1 arena with rolling plane set?
Everything is cool, i just cant digest population/squads/action being split in 3 worlds.
You split your main AH product(MA), into 3 smaller products. It divides the communities, squads and players.
Oh yea i think, people will flock to where the numbers are, not where the planes are.
there is always going to be 1 dominant arena, and since now pop cap is lower, people will not be able to fly join a certain arena and fly the plane they want.
But i guess time will tell.
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Guppy - that could be a solution except they have the P-51B's available only in the late war arenas last time I checked.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by SuperDud
OHHHHHHH THE HUMANITY!#!@!@
All you BOPs are whining like a bunch of BKs.
I beg to differ.
Please reconsider the use of the word "All" in your accusations.
Thank you. :)
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yeah i always join the arena with more players, who wants to play when there are only 60 people in an areana?
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Wrong. The change has everything to do with how people play the game since it has clearly affected the ability of your squad to engage freely in the sorts of activities it once enjoyed. It limits the types of planes and vehicles players use based on the type of arena, and this impacts the sorts of fights and the sort of "war" we encounter. The change is fundamental, and you cannot change the structure of the game without changing how people play it. The lower arena number limits, for example, dictate the size of the maps each arena uses.
The problem is that you do not like how this new structure influences the way you play. The old structure suited the way you played very well, so you had few complaints about it.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Uh, you boys were whining about how other people played and nothing else. We are whining about how we do not like how HT changed the entire look and structure of the game overnight. What mattered in the original point was the source of the complaint. For the furball stuff it was other players, for this it's HT. And I just crashed on my bike in a big cloud of dust and am not in a good mood so I'll stop there. Otherwise I'd go after hubs for various things.
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Originally posted by Birddogg
Oh yea i think, people will flock to where the numbers are, not where the planes are.
But of course...thats has happened already. Which is exactly the point most sensable ppl are trying to make. Its all about "Mass" that made AH great for the vast majority. Oh sure you get a few BBS potatos that will try to make is sound different..but the proff is in the pudding. We had 2 MA's already...some have stated the only one of them got used...but that was because the CAp on the MA was so high that it never reaced copacity...Take the full planeset, divide into 2 MA's with a Cap of say 300 players or so...and watch em both get used very reagularly...and this will also set a cap high enough to keep squads together. Instead we get this gwad awfull disection of planeset and community.
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Originally posted by Cable
Yeah, but HOW? With 90 people, and say 50-60 of them on for a squad night, where is you think we're going to fit with a cap as low as they are?
This can be a bona fide problem, and HTC should address it. I have always believed it was one of the main factors in keepin AvA numbers low. One (comparatively) large squad would come into the arena and would consequently dominate the place. Unless another large squad came in on the other side, the imbalance drove others out, because only really patient people could stand being ganged all night.
I think the ability to readily switch sides is key here. When the big squad comes in, if people can't move to the other side to offset the imbalance, then you can expect the arena to empty out soon.
You would think that big squads would recognize this, and would form themselves into sub-groups that could enter on another side. But it never seems that they do.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Birddogg
If you experimenting with arenas couldnt you add 1 arena with rolling plane set?
Heh. Sorry, this has been done. Several times. First time it attracted large numbers, it was hailed as The Second Coming. Next time, no one came. Third time, people complained that the RPS took too long.
Nope, I'm with HTC here, RPS doesn't work for very long.
- oldman
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sorry, repost
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Originally posted by sullie363
Uh, you boys were whining about how other people played and nothing else. We are whining about how we do not like how HT changed the entire look and structure of the game overnight. What mattered in the original point was the source of the complaint. For the furball stuff it was other players, for this it's HT.
First, I wasn't whining about anything.
Second, what you fail to understand is that the structure of the game drives the way in which people play. Thus the complaints that some of the BKs and many of the older players voiced centered around how the large arena, huge player numbers, capture-oriented gameplay, and long base distances encouraged side imbalances, hording, and an overemphasis on land grab over air combat. In addition, they argued that the MA setup led to generally lower air combat skill levels overall because "skill" became a relatively unimportant variable in achieving "success."
If you change the structure, you change the way people play. You right now face a dilemma where the new structure reduces the importance of large squads and splits them apart across arenas. Do you think this is unintentional? If the new structure increases the emphasis on air combat over zerged land grabbing, do you think you might become frustrated at those who won't fly the way you enjoy the most?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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If a squad is that large and refuses to split up to even the sides, then they should be forced to for the enjoyment of others
squads are over-rated, except for a couple of them the term "gang" is more appropriate. once they lose their 3 to 1, 4 to1 advantage, the real skills or lack of them become clear
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Here is an idea. Maybe Hitech should shut the game down for a week to teach you dweebs who owns this game. He has the right to make what ever changes he sees fit and you have two choices here either play the game in the format inwhich it is designed or find another game, it's that simple. either way I dont care. I dont know if this change is good, bad or indiffernet, it's too soon to tell and i'm willing to give HiTech ample time to sort out the bugs. I'm sure Hitech will welcome any suggestions or constructive critisism that the community may have but the attitude that some of you seem to have that some how paying $15 a month gives you some sort of right to tell Hitech how to run his business, the old "do it my way or i'm taking my toys and going home" routine takes some audacaciouse set of Kahoonas nor did I see any thing that remotely resembled mandating that HiTech confer with its membership or certain players within before any changes are implemented when I signed up for my membership.:mad: If it were me, ide tell you to go to hell and take your $15 with you and dont let the door hit you on the butt on the way out. Like I said if you have something constructive to say thats great but if all your going to do is ***** and complain than i sugget you shut your pie hole and/or leave. And no i dont beleive in political correctness so if I hurt your feelings or offended you, TOUGH.
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I do like how the planes are matched, like in the early arena, you wont get eatin by an La7. But i think like said mainy times above why not just have this in 1 main arena like before, and run it like early , then when that war is won go to mid and so on. I understand this is also about the size and numbers of players who are on but, seems a lot of us liked it with the massive arena.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Nope, I'm with HTC here, RPS doesn't work for very long.
- oldman
Time will tell if this latest solution works...
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One good thing I've found is frame rates stay high. TT in late arena will be the same once you get 70+ people in arena as happen today about noon time. Till then boreing.
Still think a MA and a CT like in AHI would have been better. I'm going to wait and see what happens
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Originally posted by Delirium
Hate to say this, but I think the change will be good for the future of AH. I'm sort of surprised this type of changed happened since HiTech was sure it was the players that had changed, and not the game in another thread.
What this new idea will affect the most is the large squads like the 'Birds of PrAy', it will slice and dice them until they numbers will more closely resemble the rest of the MA squads. Not surprisingly, they are also the ones that are most vocal right now.
Take a look at some of the quotes below...
They enjoy dominating the arena with numbers, but don't like it when it bites them.
Some of the best fights I've ever had are against current and previous squadmates, split up your squad and have some fun. :)
It sounds to me like "THEY" were having fun...you imply they were not. I noted that you spelled prey... "PrAy". A play on words? You see...i find your post as flamable as any i have seen...yet you play yourself off as a happy go lucky have funner guy. All the while you try to inflame someone else that has concerns of being pryed apart from fellas that have been enjoying each others Camaraderie (in game) for many many years. :rolleyes:
No HTC didnt make the Human Rules that apply...But he will certainly have to abide them if he want's these players to stay. HTC knows this...it seem most of you Nomad's dont. But then again...Thats what makes a loner a loner isnt it?
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So everyone in my squad that i have talked to loves that changes and has even brought some of our guys who don't fly as much back for more flying time. I found myself so engrossed that i couldnt quit playing last night till i was falling asleep at the stick and its been awhile since that has happened. I hope and have to believe that after we have ct out that HTC will continue to impliment new rides to the planeset. These arenas will open up planes that before would have been worthless can now be viable rides to use.
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I'll gladly pay an extra 10 bucks a month if all the whiners threatening to quit will do it right now and not come back. Thats more than worth a extra 120 bucks a year. Amazing how many folks on this BBS know how to run a company like this, even though they have 0 experience.
Bah.
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Re: Wow! 4 NEW Arenas!
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Originally posted by Patches1
I fly early morning (0630- 0900) Pacific Coast USA time. It is difficult enough to find a fight in the MA when we have 90, or so, players online between 3 Countries; now you wish to further divide this player base by 4, and each arena by 3 again, and this math only assumes aircraft, not the divisions of PTs, GVs, Bombers, Fighters/Attack aircraft and expect us early morning fliers to find some kind of a fight in ANY mode? Whom are you kidding?
I left WarBirds because of this kind of thinking...
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Well think of it like this, you will have your own arena to pad them scores and get lots of perk points! yes indeed, you'll be able to bomb strat targets, take gv/air bases with little to no opposition. Why heck in a month you could go from an average score of oh say 1500 right down to single and double digits! Simply look for the arena with the fewest players (this shouldn't be hard to do during the hours you play) and pad your score!!! When your done padding your score in the empty arena go find a arena that has someone in it to work on your fighter perks.
Geez
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Ironic
Dang! Ironic! I never thought of this change in that manner! I could jump from arena to arena and "fly" fairly unopposed in GVs, Bombers, PTs, Attack aircraft, C47s...and capture a bunch of fields unopposed and the only Humans I would have to worry about would probably be in the Early War Arena trying to find other Humans to fly against! You're right! I could really rack up quite a personal score!
And, hey! So could you! And, so could the rest of us who fly non-USA Prime Time...unless we are too preoccupied trying to find other Humans to fight in 4 arenas, divided into 3 countries, each country divided into 4 modes of play (5 if you count PTs)...and we keep missing each other because we are changing arenas so much that we can't find each other.
I'm not against change...change can be good. I am against change that ignores Global impact versus Prime Time USA. And, I'm against the kind of change to which WarBirds succumbed.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
Don't be silly overlag!
Everyone knows the war only started in 1941, when America entered it. Did you know America also won the Battle of Britain???
America did win the battle of britain. Don't you know anything? Actually, why do you think the Germans lost the Battle of Britain?
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
America did win the battle of britain. Don't you know anything? Actually, why do you think the Germans lost the Battle of Britain?
Because their strategy, when it existed, sucked.
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Originally posted by VgasX
LMFAO if it's a HTC support post it stays on if you disagree with Hitech they delete your thread.
I have to agree, my thread got closed, this one didn't.