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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SlapShot on November 03, 2006, 05:40:39 PM
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Thanks for the fights in EW ... the fight raged on after you left but a couple (especially one) of the rook griefer dudez felt the need to sink the CV.
Not 1 LVT in the water ... just planes fighting each other.
So here you have it Strat Boyz ... a bone fide case of few people who created a fight in an obscure part of the map (CV31 vs A28) which was going along just fine and what happens ... someone needs to sink the CV and squash the fight.
And the reason for sinking the CV ...
When asked why it was done because we were just having 1 v 1 , 2 v 2 and various other combinations of fights with no LVTs in the water ... the response was ...
"You do 1 v 1 ... I sink CVs" ... yup ... Strat griefer watermelon at its highest.
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Originally posted by SIM
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Nope .. this would !!!
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Originally posted by SIM
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what an idiotic thing to post. the man has posted a response to the oft heard mantra of the strat players that they don't interfere in furballs. we know that most strat players never allow the truth to get in the way of a good mantra. I think it appropriate for slipshod to post this salute to simaril and to also expose you limpwristed ganger/toolshedder types for what you are.
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never fails.......
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as dog who returns to his own vomit.......
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Strat griefer watermelon at its highest.
This is just a suggestion here and keep in mind i enjoy furballing, base capture, and Raping Bombers and i try to do all of those things when i log into an arena for the period of time i am there.
Did you ever think Slapshot that they do those things you mentioned just because they wanna hear you cry about it?I mean it's way obvious that someone will run to the BBs to chastise the players for doing it and maybe, just maybe that's what they want.
Here's an idea, you organized the first fighting area right? just go arrange another fight somewhere else.Go open a H2H room and furball in there where you can control the arena.
But no you'll prolly just post something Idioto to what i have typed and add a Gay little Emodcon.
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Slap,
Where do you get those crazy gif's?
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Did you ever think Slapshot that they do those things you mentioned just because they wanna hear you cry about it?
Then they are even more juvenile than we thought. I'm with Slap on this, it's pathetic if someone porks a base (of any sort) just to stop the fights. It's like the 12 year olds who get on an elevator, push the buttons for all the floors, and get off.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Did you ever think Slapshot that they do those things you mentioned just because they wanna hear you cry about it?I mean it's way obvious that someone will run to the BBs to chastise the players for doing it and maybe, just maybe that's what they want.
Here's an idea, you organized the first fighting area right? just go arrange another fight somewhere else.Go open a H2H room and furball in there where you can control the arena.
Nope ... posted it because just last week we were discussing the same thing in a thread and I was told that those things just don't happen.
I didn't organize the first fighting arena ... never even heard of one.
Go arrange a fight somewhere else ... why ? ... so some self-serving fool can come and grief that too ? ... nah ... you only get to do that once a night.
H2H sucks.
Here is one that reminds me of you ...
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Originally posted by uberhun
Slap,
Where do you get those crazy gif's?
FireFox ... Smiley Xtra Add-On
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H2H sucks.
You don't have 7 (squad mates ) friends that would just like to dog fite?
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Whot ?
They sunk the place you didn't defend ?
It's an infamy !
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Grief the griefers. You know how they cry if their ord get porked.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Did you ever think Slapshot that they do those things you mentioned just because they wanna hear you cry about it?I mean it's way obvious that someone will run to the BBs to chastise the players for doing it and maybe, just maybe that's what they want.
Here's an idea, you organized the first fighting area right? just go arrange another fight somewhere else.Go open a H2H room and furball in there where you can control the arena.
This is the problem with the toolshed vs furballers feud. Its not that damn hard to take a second and evaluate whats going on in game. More often than not its obvious if its a furball or an organized effort to regain or take territory. Im sure examples can be made of gray area or whatever but anyone who isnt throwing poop from a tree could probably grasp it. Knowingly sabotaging others gameplay because you dont agree with how they play this game perpetuates this constant bull****.
The follow up to the behavior is to come to the BBS and tell people if they dont like it to go some where else and play thier way. Toolshedder or furballer, it doesnt make you right. Why some of you cant get that both "factions" can exist here is amazing to me. I find I can do both, drive some tanks, and manage to still have fun.
Do I get a cookie?
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Calling someone a griefer just because they happened to enjoy playing their game their way is IMO over the top.
The fact remains is that if its in the game, and can be destroyed, it will be destroyed. Thats not griefing, thats playing the game your way. You really think that everyone that goes to kill a CV has the intent to tick you off? To do away with your furball?
If its a furball your looking for its really not that hard to start one. All it takes is a little bit of communication, and a few like minded players.
But complaining every time someone happens to interrupt YOUR fun with THEIR fun is simply wrong Talk about beating on a dead horse.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
This is just a suggestion here and keep in mind i enjoy furballing, base capture, and Raping Bombers and i try to do all of those things when i log into an arena for the period of time i am there.
Did you ever think Slapshot that they do those things you mentioned just because they wanna hear you cry about it?I mean it's way obvious that someone will run to the BBs to chastise the players for doing it and maybe, just maybe that's what they want.
Here's an idea, you organized the first fighting area right? just go arrange another fight somewhere else.Go open a H2H room and furball in there where you can control the arena.
But no you'll prolly just post something Idioto to what i have typed and add a Gay little Emodcon.
Here's an idea, this area doesn't affect H2H players. You have your own little forum. Be gone swine. You can't handle the bigger playground, so you just keep playing four-square and pink elephant.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Calling someone a griefer just because they happened to enjoy playing their game their way is IMO over the top.
The fact remains is that if its in the game, and can be destroyed, it will be destroyed. Thats not griefing, thats playing the game your way. You really think that everyone that goes to kill a CV has the intent to tick you off? To do away with your furball?
If its a furball your looking for its really not that hard to start one. All it takes is a little bit of communication, and a few like minded players.
But complaining every time someone happens to interrupt YOUR fun with THEIR fun is simply wrong Talk about beating on a dead horse.
If its a furball your looking for its really not that hard to start one.
That is exactly what Mars01 and I did. The EW had about 30 people in it and nothing was going on. We had a CV near a rook base, so we up and get on 200 and ask if anybody wanted to fight.
Simaril was on our side, but decided to switch so that he could fight Mars and I. We conversed over 200 saying that we will do 1 v 1s and not gang him. Then a couple of other guys joined us and we explained to them over range vox what the rules were ...
We were looking for 1 v 1 or 2 v 2.
No engaging a fight if there is already a 1 v 1 going on.
We were not here to take the base ... just have some fair fights.
Simaril did the same on the rooks side as rooks joined in the fight.
Things were going along just fine ... decent 1 v 1s ... some 2 v 2 s ... but all in all we had a controlled furball and everyone on both sides was having fun and mind you ... there were NO LVTs IN THE WATER and NO ONE WAS TAKING DOWN THE TOWN. Mars and I made sure of that. Had they started lauching LVTs ... then all bets are off ... sink the bloody CV for all I care.
Despite all the communications between all involved ... some decided that what we had set up was something that need to be ended and the rest is history and I will quote my first post which it appears that you didn't read.
And the reason for sinking the CV ...
When asked why it was done because we were just having 1 v 1 , 2 v 2 and various other combinations of fights with no LVTs in the water ... the response was ...
"You do 1 v 1 ... I sink CVs" ... yup ... Strat griefer watermelon at its highest.
If it quacks like a griefer ... it's a griefer.
Ghosth ... this was way beyond doing what one likes ... it was total disregard for what others had setup and arranged ... no finer case of griefing than this.
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Hate to hijack the thread back to its supposed topic...
But thanks! I thoroughly enjoyed myself, though generally the sorties ended with my being handed a variety of body parts. And despite their BBS reputation, these BKs were a fun bunch to fly against (as long as you didnt care about dying to the patented aim-bot). Mars even shared a few tips.
I'd do it again in a hearbeat...but for the guys who measure themselves by scores, it would have been frustrating without an easy target in the sky. So, I wouldnt be surprised if the CV killer had been killed himself a few times.
And as for the rest:
Well, lets be honest. That fight environment lasted a good while. During the time it lasted, the guys around me worked to keep it alive -- asking bombers to not hit, asking ack guys to up a plane instead, reminding people to let 1v1s go. I imagine the CV side did the same, and kept the LVT people informed. Even die-hard strat players respected those requests for a good long while.
I'd consider that a rousing success, and even though the carrier eventually went down I'd argue that the episode shows less of a problem, and more that we CAN work together most of the time.
BTW -- it isnt as simple as "jsut organise another one." A CV near offshore is a unique dogfight environment because the flight times are so short.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Hate to hijack the thread back to its supposed topic...
But thanks! I thoroughly enjoyed myself, though generally the sorties ended with my being handed a variety of body parts. And despite their BBS reputation, these BKs were a fun bunch to fly against (as long as you didnt care about dying to the patented aim-bot). Mars even shared a few tips.
I'd do it again in a hearbeat...but for the guys who measure themselves by scores, it would have been frustrating without an easy target in the sky. So, I wouldnt be surprised if the CV killer had been killed himself a few times.
And as for the rest:
Well, lets be honest. That fight environment lasted a good while. During the time it lasted, the guys around me worked to keep it alive -- asking bombers to not hit, asking ack guys to up a plane instead, reminding people to let 1v1s go. I imagine the CV side did the same, and kept the LVT people informed. Even die-hard strat players respected those requests for a good long while.
I'd consider that a rousing success, and even though the carrier eventually went down I'd argue that the episode shows less of a problem, and more that we CAN work together most of the time.
BTW -- it isnt as simple as "jsut organise another one." A CV near offshore is a unique dogfight environment because the flight times are so short.
Yes it was a success ... just a shame that it had to end under those circumstances.
So, I wouldnt be surprised if the CV killer had been killed himself a few times.
As a matter of fact ... it was somone who was participating in the fight and probably didn't like getting killed as much as he was, so he knew all well and good what the intention of the fight was all about.
it isnt as simple as "jsut organise another one."
What ? ... to give him another chance to spoil it ... I don't think so ... at least not in the same night.
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Here's an idea, this area doesn't affect H2H players. You have your own little forum. Be gone swine. You can't handle the bigger playground, so you just keep playing four-square and pink elephant
I hate to tell you Mr.Knowitall, i do play in the MA's.You guys keep cryin , your furball's will keep dyin.
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Slappy sucks
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Hmm, yet another player trying to tell me and others how I should play the game. In short ... go suck an egg.
Now shut up and fly.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
I hate to tell you Mr.Knowitall, i do play in the MA's.You guys keep cryin , your furball's will keep dyin.
Download FireFox 2.0 or IE7, you need the spellchecker BAD. Wait, you're spelling the words correct, but are using them in the wrong context. Nevermind, you're beyond help.
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Originally posted by sax
Slappy sucks
Sax-ster ... where ya been buddy ?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Sax-ster ... where ya been buddy ?
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Sabatical--but I'm back up again with more enthusiasim than talent .
Glad to see a familiar name still in the game:)
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Originally posted by sax
Sabatical--but I'm back up again with more enthusiasim than talent .
Glad to see a familiar name still in the game:)
Heyas sax, welcome back.
I had some good fights with Rude in the EW, and Toad in the AvA a few weeks back. It was good to see them again.
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Originally posted by sax
Sabatical--but I'm back up again with more enthusiasim than talent .
Glad to see a familiar name still in the game:)
Well .... Toad and Rude started a new squad ... if your looking for a home, you know where you can rest your hat ... anytime ... just say the word.
Myself, Lazs, and xdak pretty much fly the F4F and FM2 exclusively ... so you wouldn't be alone.
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Originally posted by Slash27
This is the problem with the toolshed vs furballers feud. Its not that damn hard to take a second and evaluate whats going on in game. More often than not its obvious if its a furball or an organized effort to regain or take territory. Im sure examples can be made of gray area or whatever but anyone who isnt throwing poop from a tree could probably grasp it. Knowingly sabotaging others gameplay because you dont agree with how they play this game perpetuates this constant bull****.
The follow up to the behavior is to come to the BBS and tell people if they dont like it to go some where else and play thier way. Toolshedder or furballer, it doesnt make you right. Why some of you cant get that both "factions" can exist here is amazing to me. I find I can do both, drive some tanks, and manage to still have fun.
Do I get a cookie?
Well put
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Calling someone a griefer just because they happened to enjoy playing their game their way is IMO over the top.
The fact remains is that if its in the game, and can be destroyed, it will be destroyed. Thats not griefing, thats playing the game your way. You really think that everyone that goes to kill a CV has the intent to tick you off? To do away with your furball?
If its a furball your looking for its really not that hard to start one. All it takes is a little bit of communication, and a few like minded players.
But complaining every time someone happens to interrupt YOUR fun with THEIR fun is simply wrong Talk about beating on a dead horse.
Also well said
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Originally posted by straffo
Whot ?
They sunk the place you didn't defend ?
It's an infamy !
aye :cry :cry :cry
If a cv is right next to the base.... the base will often fall sooner or later.. even if YOU yourself wasnt "attacking the base" someone else will. Its a valid target.
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Originally posted by Overlag
aye :cry :cry :cry
If a cv is right next to the base.... the base will often fall sooner or later.. even if YOU yourself wasnt "attacking the base" someone else will. Its a valid target.
Geesh ... did you read what I wrote ... or are you playing stupid again to make a stupid point.
I said there were NO LVTs in the water ... NO ONE was taking the town down.
I also said that if someone had launched LVTs, despite Mars and I asking them not to ... all bets are off ... sink the bloody CV for all I care.
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well... the real point is that the griefers have all the advantages.
It takes no talent at all to sink a CV or bomb anything for that matter. One guy with a mouse can do damage to 30 guys gameplay... might take him a couple of runs but... it is easy modes so he will prevail I mean... one guy running three bombers and all their guns? and...
No stat girl ever "defends" they don't defend against these greifers... If, as overlag says... the CV is really that important because it will cause the fall of the city....
Where are the strat defenders and their high cap? Why aren't they there defending that furball? for one thing... they have even less chance against suicide porkers than furballers do... They aren't exactly "agressisve" on the fighting end.. and.. they are too busy milkrunning other fields... It is typical that strat girls let fields fall while they are milkrunning other fields... the strat in AH is simply a race of the milkrunners...
They can't defend... they allways say for us to defend the CV but... they don't... they can't and they don't. And... flying cap is boring even for them... even if they were capable.
So it's a two fold problem... it is too easy to grief with too little talent needed and... the real "strat" girls don't want to defend... they want to hide from each other.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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I would sink your CV just to hear you whine
wipass
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well sure... you could do that... anyone could.. but.... everyone knows that no matter what you say...
You simply can't defend it. you are not capable.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Until HT designates an arena as a furball arena and sets it up as such when are you guys going to realise even the EW is open to all forms of gameplay. (shock, horror, amazement).
Not just your own views on what it should be.
I'll put the situation in reverse -
When the split 1st happened some of us went to the EW to find out just how much more difficult it is to take bases in there unless you want to up perked Lancs for the town.
Found two fields that would normally be our sides way off the other side of the map, away from the furballers.
Took one with the CV.
Went onto the other which was a more likely scenario without a CV being present.
What happened? The furballers who had obviously ran out of targets decided to turn up and 'try' and stop us.
Funny how it only goes one way, isn't it?
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so you admit that your "strat" is to attack undefended fields? I think that most people look to CV's as good places for a furball... Like getting a close field.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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You need to visit EW or MW in off-time. Its milkrunner's paradise. They attack country with zero players and if you change side and try to defend attacked field, they just drop everything and sneak to another.
Speaking about CV... Hell, bombs must not damage ships unless direct hit. Even if they do in RL (very minor, actually), its only way to make level bombers ineffective against ships.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Thanks for the fights in EW ... the fight raged on after you left but a couple (especially one) of the rook griefer dudez felt the need to sink the CV.
Not 1 LVT in the water ... just planes fighting each other.
So here you have it Strat Boyz ... a bone fide case of few people who created a fight in an obscure part of the map (CV31 vs A28) which was going along just fine and what happens ... someone needs to sink the CV and squash the fight.
And the reason for sinking the CV ...
When asked why it was done because we were just having 1 v 1 , 2 v 2 and various other combinations of fights with no LVTs in the water ... the response was ...
"You do 1 v 1 ... I sink CVs" ... yup ... Strat griefer watermelon at its highest.
I wasn't there but the question that bears to mind is were any of the 5 inch guns being used or the base being shelled during the furball? If so, the CV and BB become legit targets. Otherwise I see no need to ruin the fun by killing the Cv.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Hey simaril
and thanks for the great pickup baseball game we had in the middle of the road!!!!
was tons of fun!!!
too bad that griefer car had to ruin it for everyone by using the road...what a freaking loser...unbelievable!!!! we even had detour signs up to tell them to stay "out of our game"...some people....
im gonna find a bulletin board and tell them how much they suck!!!
hey, mom says we should use the baseball field iinstead next time but i told her it sucks and no way...not enough people look at us when we use the baseball field...moms just dont get it...
well meet ya at the road...hope no selfish cars and trucks want to use it when we clearly tell them to STAY OFF!!!:D
(and "no" i didnt pretend to ya just to use it as a cover to flame the cars who used the road...im way above that!)
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yes folks, idiocy knows no bounds.
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Originally posted by storch
yes folks, idiocy knows no bounds.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
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I'm confused are you the pot or is that other guy the pot? you both remind me of potty.
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Originally posted by doc1kelley
I wasn't there but the question that bears to mind is were any of the 5 inch guns being used or the base being shelled during the furball? If so, the CV and BB become legit targets. Otherwise I see no need to ruin the fun by killing the Cv.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
Nope .. CV was kept far enough away so the the 5 inches were not a problem for those that were fighting. Can't answer to the 8 inches ... I never really went near the town to see, but I know that no one was bombing the town.
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A guy logs into an arena and notices not that many are on. He commences to milkrunning until even he gets bored with it. He is about to log off when he notices a dar bar at base A#. He checks from the tower and sees it's a cv. He also notices on 200 that people are talking about the fight here and have asked to please allow the cv fight to continue as it is an immediate source of action. He remembers back to his old squadmate who trained him and told him that it is soooooo much fun to hear all the whines when you take a cv down that is supporting a furball. He ready's his lancs and off he goes. His first attempt fails, and he reads the text on 200 asking again to please not ruin the close furball as it is late and not many people are on. He will show them! This time his suicide lanc bombs find their mark and the CV is lost! He boasts on 200, "Rumor has it rooks just lost a cv!" He logs off a happy person. The other 18 people from both sides that were truly enjoying the quick action now have to fly over a sector to engage each other! Because the flight is now 5 minutes in between action, many of the 18 just log off instead! :(
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Hey simaril and thanks for the great pickup baseball game we had in the middle of the road!!!!
was tons of fun!!!
too bad that griefer car had to ruin it for everyone by using the road...what a freaking loser...unbelievable!!!! we even had detour signs up to tell them to stay "out of our game"...some people....
im gonna find a bulletin board and tell them how much they suck!!!
hey, mom says we should use the baseball field iinstead next time but i told her it sucks and no way...not enough people look at us when we use the baseball field...moms just dont get it...
well meet ya at the road...hope no selfish cars and trucks want to use it when we clearly tell them to STAY OFF!!!:D
(and "no" i didnt pretend to ya just to use it as a cover to flame the cars who used the road...im way above that!)
Nice try Falcon ... wrong analogy ... I guess I gave you more credit than you deserved ... I won't make the same mistake again.
It was more like we were having a great baseball game and some griefer who wasn't playing in the game for whatever reason, got his hands on the the ball and threw it down a storm drain only because he wanted to ruin the fun that we were having.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Nice try Falcon ... wrong analogy ... I guess I gave you more credit than you deserved ... I won't make the same mistake again.
It was more like we were having a great baseball game and some griefer who wasn't playing in the game for whatever reason, got his hands on the the ball and threw it down a storm drain only because he wanted to ruin the fun that we were having.
and then purchases all the balls for sale in the adjacent areas to the game while proclaiming loudly that he has more balls than anyone. (see my idiocy comment above)
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Originally posted by SIM
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* Only if you are the rat bastage that sank the CV !!!:mad:
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Hey simaril and thanks for the great pickup baseball game we had in the middle of the road!!!!
was tons of fun!!!
too bad that griefer car had to ruin it for everyone by using the road...what a freaking loser...unbelievable!!!! we even had detour signs up to tell them to stay "out of our game"...some people....
im gonna find a bulletin board and tell them how much they suck!!!
hey, mom says we should use the baseball field iinstead next time but i told her it sucks and no way...not enough people look at us when we use the baseball field...moms just dont get it...
well meet ya at the road...hope no selfish cars and trucks want to use it when we clearly tell them to STAY OFF!!!:D
(and "no" i didnt pretend to ya just to use it as a cover to flame the cars who used the road...im way above that!)
Funny you use this analogy. As kids, we used to set up street hockey games all the time. Cars would come by on occasion, but they never once raced through, knocking over the goals and destroying the game. It was never their goal to ruin the game. They'd slow while we moved things to the side so they could pass, but they never wrecked the game and this went on many many times in the course of my growing up.
Seems to me that Slap's point was everyone knew what was going on. Neither side wanted the 'game' they were playing to end, and a single person decided to race through and destroy it just because they could.
That has nothing to do with folks playing the game the way they want. That's just to be a jerk.
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Originally posted by sax
Sabatical--but I'm back up again with more enthusiasim than talent .
Glad to see a familiar name still in the game:)
H Ya's SAX...
Good to see ya back at it
Bob / CHECKERS
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Originally posted by lazs2
so you admit that your "strat" is to attack undefended fields? I think that most people look to CV's as good places for a furball... Like getting a close field.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
No I was giving an example of how whats wanted by one side is not respected by that side when the reverse happens.
I.e. don't disrupt our furballs, but we'll disrupt you whenever we feel like it.
It also points out the absurdity of the "please leave our CV alone".
When/if HT ever decides to rename or set it up as a furball only arena then fair enough, wouldn't hold your breath though..
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Thanks for the fights in EW ... the fight raged on after you left but a couple (especially one) of the rook griefer dudez felt the need to sink the CV.
Not 1 LVT in the water ... just planes fighting each other.
So here you have it Strat Boyz ... a bone fide case of few people who created a fight in an obscure part of the map (CV31 vs A28) which was going along just fine and what happens ... someone needs to sink the CV and squash the fight.
And the reason for sinking the CV ...
When asked why it was done because we were just having 1 v 1 , 2 v 2 and various other combinations of fights with no LVTs in the water ... the response was ...
"You do 1 v 1 ... I sink CVs" ... yup ... Strat griefer watermelon at its highest.
Pot - Kettle and the colour black springs to mind here somehow :noid
Nice to see one of the vocal few getting a taste of his own medicine for once.
WHAAAAAAAAMMMMMBBBUUUULLLAAAAAAAAAAANCE IS ON ITS WAY :rofl
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Originally posted by Kev367th
No I was giving an example of how whats wanted by one side is not respected by that side when the reverse happens.
I.e. don't disrupt our furballs, but we'll disrupt you whenever we feel like it.
It also points out the absurdity of the "please leave our CV alone".
When/if HT ever decides to rename or set it up as a furball only arena then fair enough, wouldn't hold your breath though..
Originally posted by Hammy
Pot - Kettle and the colour black springs to mind here somehow :noid
Nice to see one of the vocal few getting a taste of his own medicine for once.
WHAAAAAAAAMMMMMBBBUUUULLLAAAAAAAAAAANCE IS ON ITS WAY :rofl
I have accused people of ACTING stupid in order to get a point across ... but I don't think that is the case here.
Kev is actually admitting that he likes to take bases un-opposed.
and ...
Hammy can't fight the urge to post on a game that he doesn't play anymore which has driven him to the point of not knowing the difference between pots and kettles and medication.
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truth kinda hurts huh?
keep crying my friend you are making my day :rofl :aok
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Geesh ... did you read what I wrote ... or are you playing stupid again to make a stupid point.
I said there were NO LVTs in the water ... NO ONE was taking the town down.
I also said that if someone had launched LVTs, despite Mars and I asking them not to ... all bets are off ... sink the bloody CV for all I care.
once LVT's are in the water its often TOO late. Killing the CV now leads to almost everyone spawning LVT's and, with just a few in the sky to defend them the base will fall. And what the guy said isnt griefing, its being honest.. you want to furball, he wants to win. He defended his base, you didnt.
Now this forum is all about mockin the person whos whining, and you, laz storch do love doing that, but then you are whining too? Defend the dam CV if you want to use it to fight. And as Kev said, these maps have like 50 bases on them and you are whining about the cv sinking?
Originally posted by lazs2
No stat girl ever "defends" they don't defend against these greifers... If, as overlag says... the CV is really that important because it will cause the fall of the city....
Where are the strat defenders and their high cap? Why aren't they there defending that furball?
errr he did defend the base, he sunk the CV..... and if furballers do all the defending like you said in another thread, then why did the CV go down? ;)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I have accused people of ACTING stupid in order to get a point across ... but I don't think that is the case here.
Kev is actually admitting that he likes to take bases un-opposed.
and ...
Hammy can't fight the urge to post on a game that he doesn't play anymore which has driven him to the point of not knowing the difference between pots and kettles and medication.
Didn't admit that at all.
I said we had popped into the EW arena to see how much harder it was to take down a town etc without upping perked Lancs.
To avoid upsetting the furballers we chose two fields opposite side of the map.
Wasn't near a reset and the two fields chosen would have by default been 'ours' anyway, but had been captured.
It was a one-time experiment.
What I WAS pointing out was that you expect us to leave you alone, but you don't have the courtesy to do the same.
In other words stay out of our playground, but we feel free to invade yours anytime we choose to, does hypocrite spring to mind, it should.
Funny how certain 'rules' are all one way.
Understand now, or are some words still too long?
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nice points kev....they dont want us taking undefended bases, but they dont want us taking defended bases either..... hmmmmm
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Originally posted by Hammy
truth kinda hurts huh?
keep crying my friend you are making my day :rofl :aok
And you keep playing ... ummm ... being stupid cause you sure are making my day.
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Originally posted by Overlag
once LVT's are in the water its often TOO late. Killing the CV now leads to almost everyone spawning LVT's and, with just a few in the sky to defend them the base will fall. And what the guy said isnt griefing, its being honest.. you want to furball, he wants to win. He defended his base, you didnt.
Now this forum is all about mockin the person whos whining, and you, laz storch do love doing that, but then you are whining too? Defend the dam CV if you want to use it to fight. And as Kev said, these maps have like 50 bases on them and you are whining about the cv sinking?
errr he did defend the base, he sunk the CV..... and if furballers do all the defending like you said in another thread, then why did the CV go down? ;)
Oh for christmas's sakes ... you too ... read what I wrote ... geeeesh. I guess you need to play dumb again to try and prove a point.
Mars01, myself, and Simaril were keeping things in check and if I couldn't, then I would have left the area and they could bomb the CV to Kingdom come ... but that wasn't the case ... there was no intent to capture ... there was no action to capture ... just fight.
I have not mocked anyone ... I post my agreement or dis-agreement depending upon any subject ... if that is mocking my friend, then you just as guilty as me.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Didn't admit that at all.
I said we had popped into the EW arena to see how much harder it was to take down a town etc without upping perked Lancs.
To avoid upsetting the furballers we chose two fields opposite side of the map.
Wasn't near a reset and the two fields chosen would have by default been 'ours' anyway, but had been captured.
It was a one-time experiment.
What I WAS pointing out was that you expect us to leave you alone, but you don't have the courtesy to do the same.
In other words stay out of our playground, but we feel free to invade yours anytime we choose to, does hypocrite spring to mind, it should.
Funny how certain 'rules' are all one way.
Understand now, or are some words still too long?
Keep playing dumb Kev ... you wear it well.
There is a difference between myself, you, Hammy, and Overlag.
I have posted in many threads that I have been participating in base captures since the arena split and said that I have enjoyed it ... ask Cooley and Company. I participated in 3 last night carrying ord and the works trying to help. Thats me playing your game ... the so-called big died in the wool furballer ... what does that tell ya ... I am trying to get back into understanding the feel for base taking again.
Along with that, I have also tried to come up with an idea to help try and alleviate the pain that people in squads along with those who play off US prime time hour.
The idea that I came up with was due to the fact that I finally understood what Overlag was "whining" about and apologized for being hard-headed about it and thought hard on how to help him and others ... yet he still finds the need to play dumb in order to dump on me when he fully understand my position ... fine Overlag ... go for it ... I should have know better. As soon as you got a couple of other monkeys throwin poop ... feel free to join in and feel safe in the crowd.
As for the other two ... I have yet to see anything positive or constructive comes from either of your keyboards but pissin' and moanin'.
I may have a position, we all do, but at least I try to see the other position and see if there may be a solution for all of us.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Funny you use this analogy. As kids, we used to set up street hockey games all the time. Cars would come by on occasion, but they never once raced through, knocking over the goals and destroying the game. It was never their goal to ruin the game. They'd slow while we moved things to the side so they could pass, but they never wrecked the game and this went on many many times in the course of my growing up.
Seems to me that Slap's point was everyone knew what was going on. Neither side wanted the 'game' they were playing to end, and a single person decided to race through and destroy it just because they could.
That has nothing to do with folks playing the game the way they want. That's just to be a jerk.
dan maybe i missed something here....
did the buff pilot taunt or say something to the effect of "hey i want to ruin your game"?
or did a guy playing the game as it is designed decide to sink a sinkable target that some guys were using outside of its designed function? Maybe he didnt fully believe the "we promise we wont take the base" on ch 200. i guess we could ask hitech if cvs were supposed to be furball platforms...im guessing they are designed to be offensive weapons used to capture bases. in my experience..the best fights are between cv and fields when there IS a capture attempt going on..adds some spice!
and i guess im missing something else...its EW....buffs suck there...why didnt the cv guys kill them and reap tons of kills?? that would be within the game's design and allow plenty of action. ...or.....why didnt they first kill ord at nearby fields and not worry at all???? no..they want a instant DA in a main arena...and that remains their problem...i again pose the question...why dont the like minded individuals go to the da where there are no cvs...there are close bases etc?
i hate to suggest folks work within the realm of the game...i guess we should rely on telling others what to do and what not to do...and then call them names and post on the bbs to try and humiliate them into stopping their legitimate actions...is that the behavior you are condoning dan?
dont get me wrong....i would not have sunk the cv...but i also wouldnt be crying on the bbs when something didnt work out as i planned it under the pretense of someone...i believe i overestimated you as well sir slapshot.:rolleyes:
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did the buff pilot taunt or say something to the effect of "hey i want to ruin your game"?
or did a guy playing the game as it is designed decide to sink a sinkable target that some guys were using outside of its designed function? Maybe he didnt fully believe the "we promise we wont take the base" on ch 200.
He was an active participant in the fighting at the onset and knew full well the intent of what we were doing ... he flew fighters for at least 15 minutes ... everybody involved knew the intent and that is why it lasted as long as it did ... it was just him being a griefer ... just because.
My post was far from crying ... just making note and bringing to light something that I was told "doesn't happen" ... strat guys don't wreck furballs.
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well then he was a dork...but still cant grasp why this is on the bbs? do people refuse to filter what threads they start???
imagine if everytime someone got ho'd, vulched, spawncamped, picked they started a thread...yeesh...:eek:
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thing is slap, you take the piss out of "whiners" all the time, but now you whine its different? thats what i mean by you mocking people. and yes im guilty... you mocked me for being annoyed at something that upset me..... so now im mocking you for something that upsets you... what comes around, goes around. what you are seeing is the game, and the way it works... yes, im glad we worked out our differences on the split, and yes you've come up with some good ideas to fix these issues. But this issue/whine you have is virtually invalid. Bases can be captured or sunk, thats not a issue, bug, or gameplay change, its been that way for donkeys years.
lazs says you are the only defenders in the game, yet you cant/wont defend a cv.
and anyway, you dont make the rules on what people can or cannot do. Who says you cant sink the CV unless theres LVT's in the water?
seeing as you was in EW, he must have upped Ju88s, or Lancs to sink the cv. both slow bombers and they would have needed to up from a sector away to not get attacked by you "on the deck" hardcore furballmentalists.
Surely if you furballers are the only defenders in this game (lazs words, not mine as its totally untrue) then you would have seen this threat and delt with it. Instead, your one sided idea of the game ment you couldnt adapt and gain a bit of alt to defend from the bomber ready to kill your cv.... He defended his base, you did not. And here you are whining about it. You say people dont fight each other, but YOU DIDNT fight HIM. so he won. end of story.
However, if im wrong, and he upped from the BASE itself, then why the hell did he even manage to get near the water?
if you want to "furball" (i wont call it fight) without this distraction, go to a arena where you cant loose a base/cv... that would be DA... nothing can be porked in there and you can fight all day long without issues from base porkers and alike.
and you keep saying we play dumb..... well look in the mirror.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
well then he was a dork...but still cant grasp why this is on the bbs? do people refuse to filter what threads they start???
imagine if everytime someone got ho'd, vulched, spawncamped, picked they started a thread...yeesh...:eek:
I tell ya what ... you start filtering your threads and posts and I will do the same.
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Originally posted by Overlag
thing is, you take the piss out of "whiners" all the time, but now you whine its different?
lazs says you are the only defenders in the game, yet you cant/wont defend a cv.
and anyway, you dont make the rules on what people can or cannot do. Who says you cant sink the CV unless theres LVT's in the water?
seeing as you was in EW, he must have upped Ju88s, or Lancs to sink the cv. both slow bombers and they would have needed to up from a sector away to not get attacked by you "on the deck" hardcore furballmentalists.
Surely if you furballers are the only defenders in this game (lazs words, not mine as its totally untrue) then you would have seen this threat and delt with it. Instead, your one sided idea of the game ment you couldnt adapt and gain a bit of alt to defend from the bomber ready to kill your cv.... He defended his base, you did not. And here you are whining about it. You say people dont fight each other, but YOU DIDNT fight HIM. so he won. end of story.
However, if im wrong, and he upped from the BASE itself, then why the hell did he even manage to get near the water?
if you want to "furball" (i wont call it fight) without this distraction, go to a arena where you cant loose a base/cv... that would be DA... nothing can be porked in there and you can fight all day long without issues from base porkers and alike.
and you keep saying we play dumb..... well look in the mirror.
Nevermind ... not worth it.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Nevermind ... not worth it.
see edit of first paragraph.
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Originally posted by Overlag
see edit of first paragraph.
Still not worth wasting my time trying to explain to you. You aren't big enough to say they you might just be wrong ... I am not surprised.
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I'm going to have to go with Slap on this one. If you are involved and know your fellow players are using the cv as a fun platform to induce some quick fights and then decide to take it away just to be an arse then that is lame.
Arguing that it is right seems silly to me but to each his own I guess.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Still not worth wasting my time trying to explain to you. You aren't big enough to say they you might just be wrong ... I am not surprised.
nor are you... as soon as a base flashes, i take it as an attack on that base. thats my rule... just the same as your rule that if theres no LVT's then its not an attack and you arnt ment to sink my cv...
my rules, and your rules are both the same, they mean nothing to anyone but ourselfs. if you want people to play your way, then pay for the game for them.
or, if you dont want to be botherd by toolsheders, goto DA where you CANT toolshed.
How hard is this not to understand?
I perfectly understand your issue, you failed to defend a base, and lost it... that is ALL the issues i see.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
well then he was a dork
Falconwing, thank you for finally recognizing the obvious. I can't believe how many people who are obviously very bright, and who represent a bona fide perspective, are trying to defend something that is utterly defenseless. "Play the game as it was designed" is not what happened here.
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oldman...you are a good pilot and a fun adversary.
my issue here is why the bbs is used to point out isolated occurrences in obvious attempts to troll for responses to flame...
if every night i was to post a " to guys that flew the way i want them to" thread and also slam someone whose gameplay i found lacking wouldnt that seem obvious and self-serving???
how about every time im in the da and some newbie or griefer jumps into a duel and kills me?
how about when two groups are playing the strat/capture aspect of the game in LW/MW and some furball types hop in and vulch or pick guys (horde followers if you will)....would that justify me posting a thread to suggest that all furballers do this?
since i was not there...i cant comment on the specific incident...but if someone sank the cv just to annoy others then i find it wrong...but i also found it wrong when guys took tanktowns/fitertowns and furball island...this happens nightly btw..but thank goodness we dont have to see a post about it each time it happens...
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Personally, I saw the demise of the MA when I started the "Truce" to get FT back. The mentality had already changed by then, I said it a few times on channel and to WMLute via PM. "The MA will never be the same", and it was true.
"Strating" was already LONG part of the game. Some get off by doing this all of the time, but if I see it's working, I'll continue, if not, I stop.
If I see a country getting gangbanged like Jenna Jameson, I'll switch. It's a chess piece to me, I have friends in all 3 countries. I can careless who "I'm flying for", because after all, I am flying for myself, not "someone else" or "country pride". Heck tonight I logged in as a Rook, saw 120 Bish, 110 Rooks, and 45 Knights. Rooks and Bish WERE NOT hitting each other AT ALL. Big fun there, I'm sorry, staying a Rook would not have been fun for me. That's not for me.
Personally, if someone gets off by attacking and taking undefended bases, more power to em. That's not for me.
If someone wants to act the "Desktop General" from a tower while griping about "the furballers who are ruining the game", more power to him. Maybe he'd have a leg to stand on if he was actually flying though. That's not for me.
If someone wants to (http://www.smiley-channel.de/grafiken/smiley/camping/smiley-channel.de_camping001.gif) at a spawnpoint for an hour and garner 45 kills in a Tiger, more power to em. That's not for me.
If someone wants to grab to 25k over a field where the nearest con is 15k below him, more power to him. That's not for me.
However, to deliberately sink a CV to end a good fight is "the way of the chode". All in the name of "being a jerk". That's not for me.
I don't come in here and post threads about this crap, there ARE some who play to be a jerk, and that is fine. They get away with it and act smug about it. It's ok, that's how they wish to present themselves.
Flame away folks, I can careless, because tomorrow I'll log on and do the same things as yesterday, shoot down La7's in a Tony in the LWA. Maybe I'll fly a Spit 1 in the EWA (I was one of the few who flew it in the old MA regularly). I am now at the stage of my AH'dom where I NEED a challenge. I enjoy getting myself into 5 on 1's, because it makes me better in the long run. I enjoy flying a slow plane because I enjoy turnfighting.
But what I WON'T, and HAVEN'T DONE is post a thread whining like a baby, about "How I fought on the short stack" and "how we need to do something about the numbers in the Arenas."
I don't GAF about numbers. To me flying Knights tonight gave me 230 potential targets when I logged on. THAT is me.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
(http://www.smiley-channel.de/grafiken/smiley/camping/smiley-channel.de_camping001.gif)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
And you keep playing ... ummm ... being stupid cause you sure are making my day.
roflmao, u really are a tard, i always thought it but know i KNOW it.
I have yet to see anything positive or constructive comes from either of your keyboards but pissin' and moanin
Says the guy who stated this whining thread lol:rofl
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Ok..let's get some points straight here...
The strat girls may be defending the base but... where are the strat girls defending the oh so important and dangerous CV? That was my point.. I never see them defend these "assets". If the CV is such a bona fide base killing machine then the strat girls should be using it to capture and defending it with a bulldog grip... high cap and all that rot eh whot?
They not only don't but... they can't.. they are incapable.. it is not only too easy to kill but beyond the skill level of the strat girls to defend anyway...They can't defend anyting unless the attackers are as skilless as them or... furballers happen to be there thinking it is a fight.
As for furballers ruining the fight for the strat girls.... puuulees... not possible... even if it were... we aren't griefers like you.. we wouldn't do it.
Point is that the mouse weilders are not defending... only hitting easy targets that either are griefer targets or attention grabbers or... milkrunning... The game does allow em to do it. the so called strat even rewards it to some extent (I fail to see the reward in such a simplistic daisy chain but,).
The game is set up so that even the most spastic mouse wielder can "make a difference" some squads are gaming this by gathering whole clumps of said spastic mouse weilders and griefing and milkrunning... even if the greifer isn't in a squad...
The squads influence him... he sees them doing it and them defending their actions and believes that he has every right to do the same. It is not the furballers who are the bad influence on the game and the new people who join... It is not the furballers doing the griefing.
The griefers think it is allright because of the strat squads all acting like timid gamers and griefers.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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not so lazs. the furballers will easily ruin the strat game play. yesterday I upped from 51 seeing a large red dar bar coupled to a bitty green one. I upped from 51. I found swillie up and defensive against 5 cons and a few GVs. we dispatched the cons easily and pounded the GVs into dust. this cycle continued until I logged off for supper one hour later. the result was the Bops were frustrated in their attempt to capture a base by basically three guys. sadly the only good fight was against nobaddy who was also in a 109. the stratters are just so much 109 cannon fodder even in woobiecanes. but the thing is we ruined their game play, we fought.
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I don't know if you are kidding or not... but...
What you did is defend.. this is what the mouse weilders claim to be good gameplay... they constantly go on about how much fun it would be if the furballers would defend.
If you took out GV hangers or ord... you would be a strat player... not a furballer ruining their gameplay.
Are you saying that any resistace to the milkrun is considered griefing the strat girls gameplay?
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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gauging the 200 text buffer taunts from the Bops the answer is yes. but you are correct it was basically being defensive as there was no fight to speak of except two against nobaddy. the rest were pretty much shooting drones.
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When furballers fight the horde....
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhU8PQ5ojo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhU8PQ5ojo)
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LOL...I forgot about that one Soda, I'll have to go back and look at the raw AH film, but I think there were something like 27-28 Knights there and I was the only friendly airborne. I dragged about 20 Knights out over the water because I thought the barge was a goon low on the water. :rofl
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Just checked the film...26 Knights and one Rook (Me).
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Originally posted by Grits
Just checked the film...26 Knights and one Rook (Me).
Yeah, was checking old film footage and ran into that one...
it was hilarious,
:)
[edit] there were so many red icons, it looks like a blob on film chasing you...
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Awww yes
A fallin Angel
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LOL Storch is SOOOOOOO full of **** his eyes are turning brown!!! LOL:rofl :rofl
To hear him talk you would think he was the savior!! This is great!
As far as taunts went he started taunting the 3 maybe 4 of us BOP's that were on at the time (warning BOPS are now so good at what we do that 3 or 4 of us is now a horde) LOL. We think he is upset cause we said he can't join us :)
Really for a FURBALLER Storch pays waaaaaay to much attention to the strat game and is constantly whining over it and taunting those people who are playing it.
Anyway we started by fending off an attack on one of our bases and that seemed to work. Then we started hiting the Vbase to the south. A panzer was there and he smoked my T34's turret and began chasing me around the forest..
The panzer (I think his name was Wet) and I were having a good conversation on 200 wile he tried to hunt me down and at the same time KCboom I think it was snuck a goon in and snaged the Vbase.. Wet and I had a good laugh at this :)
some time during this the Rooks had managed to sneak the airbase away from Bish to the north and while I was defending the freshly taken vbase some other Bish snaged the Rooks airbase just to the east..
Then the fun began and Storch started going off on what he called milk runners and BOP's. I don't see how this aplied as the bases were defended and we were having a good lil fight with the rook strat players.
Then rooks managed to get the Vbase back and I uped an M3 to try geting it back and another bish had a M8 roling in and deacked the base. A 109 was circling around and started passing over head trying to get a shot at me. Finally I ended up trying to run through a clearing and he came in. I smoked his engine but my lil old 50cal was no mach and poof I was dead. And what did the death message say?? Storch has shot you down LOL :rofl Then he got himself shot down by the M8.
Sorry but I had to make some comment about his oh so UBER fighter SKILZZ after that lol.
After that I took a tiger out at the airbase to the east and started defending the base. Went out to the town and Cofncrnr's Osty took 2 good hits from my tiger befor he finally died and we ed each other and made some friendly comments.. All the wile interspersed with the not so friendly but kinda funny comments by storch... Then he laughed that our bases troops had been hit and that he was going to come over to kill the ord and there was nothing we could do about it LOL. Yup he needs thos awsome fighter skills to hit the ord.
Any way that is pretty much how it happened. I really think Storch has a hard on for the BOP's or would have after he gets his sex change... He really wants to be a BOP but we just can't let him in as he is now. ;)
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/Flaydone/storchy.jpg)
Storch I really don't have a problem with you playing the base capture/strat game with us. I just wish you would not be so hypocritical and just do what Lazs seems to be doing for the most part and just ignore the war and fly your lil fighter plane in what ever furball you find and stop having a cow about people who are playing the war game. Also learn what a milkrun is and isn't.
Oh and one last point I looked at the Arena #'s at the time and they were almost = all the way around with 30 or so per side.
EDIT: I also find it funny that Storch was calling the Bish/BOP's milk runners but the rooks were taking the same bases we were fighting over. To hear him talk we were in some distant uninhabited land rolling over every thing in our path LOL.
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flayed. as I stated in game I decline to join your squad. thank you for the invitations but I don't like any of your members and I don't like the way you guys play the game.
with regard to the post you just made, you confuse that fight where I repeatedly killed you and your members with the an earlier fight in the EW where I repeatedly killed your members. I know it must be confusing for you since whenever I log on Bops die and their undefended base capturing attempts go sour. try to keep your defeats in order.
If logging on and finding you guys to squash is strat then I'm a strat player.
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Ummm repeatedly killed me??? I can only recall 2 times now in the last few months where we have actually encountered each other where you have killed me and in this last example it was my M3 VS your 109 LOL.. Get over yourself...
Also you don't KNOW any of our members... You are assuming you don't like any of us. You may not like the way we play but don't go saying you don't like us personally untill you have actually met us.. I don't really like the way you play or post but I'm not gonna go saying I don't like you personally untill I have actually met you.. For all I know you and Lazs and others that I have had issues with on this forum might be good people with a not so nice forum personna.
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flayed... I have never said that I don't like any of your squad guys on a personal level... I believe that falc and viper are wound way too tight maybe and waaaaay to pompous but...
I have had some good interaction with some guys I later found out were bop's when we furballed together... I simply don't like the way most of you play and the rule that you have about switching sides which I think is bad for the game.
If I interact with a field capture it is not on purpose and I have no interest in ruining your time in the game except to lobby for some of the more easier elements to grief to be changed.
I think the way you play the game is bad for the game but... not my call.
I think the recent changes were good for the game and improved the enjoyment for a lot of people by lessening the effect you and your squad and their ilk had on being able to ruin the experiance for me and my ilk.
In general... the less the two styles interact the better for my crowd.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Welll Ummm just let me say WOW:eek:.. Lazs that has to be the nicest post twards any of my posts or me that I have ever seen you do.
Really I think we could all coexsist to some degree in the ew arena.. I think the best furballs and base takes are there but nobody seems to want to play in EW.. I spent all day in EW today from around maybe 8am to 1am mountain time. I know it's sad that I have this time but I do so :p ) and the arena didn't get much over 30 people alllll day..... Sigh......
In EW it takes more people to take a base when there are enough people defending... I'm talking abour bombers fighters and GV's all working togeather..
It could be fun for all but there are so few that it either becomes a lil furball or a milkrun.. :(. I had a few good furballs while trying to take a base tonight and a real hard time taking the base because we were short of people to take the base while we were fighing or the other way around.
In EW I think the furballers could find fun even if it was defending against a take because there are more actual fighers there instead of the oh so common Jabo.... Furballers could fight with the fighers that come in trying to clear the air for bombers to hit town rather than the LW standard of fly in heavy hit town and vulch....
I'm not saying you would want to do this all the time I just think EW could provide a better mix than the cruddy LW arena.
Problem is how to get more people in EW???? New planes?? I don't know but all I remember is when the change first came about everyone was in EW and there were huge fights and strat play going on all at the same time. Then everyone trickled over to LW and it went back to mini MA again... :(
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Originally posted by Flayed1
In EW I think the furballers could find fun even if it was defending against a take because there are more actual fighers there instead of the oh so common Jabo.... Furballers could fight with the fighers that come in trying to clear the air for bombers to hit town rather than the LW standard of fly in heavy hit town and vulch....
in a dream world that would be.....i keep wishing.
i kinda wish MA towns had 2x as much buildings.... but to be fair, in MA that would only lead to suicide lancs...... :(
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This entire problem stems from the fact that early war maps have too much separation between bases. When you're lucky to squeeze out 300mph, it takes too long to get anywhere.
That's why CV fights have risen in popularity. There's relative parity between the fighters, and it only takes 2 minutes to be in the fight. Sinking it on a non-cap attempt crushes it. It's not always easy to relocate. Many times you can enter early war and find the closest bases have at least 25 miles between them, and the only convenient fights are when CVs show up off shore.
If a map was really built for just early war, then it wouldn't be an issue, and furballs could quickly relocate.
Unfortunately they can't, and it's way too easy for griefers to take a giant dump on the fun of a dozen others.
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ok... let me explain because I don't think you really do understand... I will go where the action is... when you kill the action I will leave. I have no interest in attacking a field that has no fighters or the fighters are so capped that they can't get their wheels up.
If I am part of a "field capture" I only stay so long as it is a good fite... when it degenerates into a steamroller.. I finish the sortie and go somewhere else while they milkrun the field and "capture" it... The capture guys can circle around the now useless field and give each other orders and drop bombs on toolsheeds to their hearts content but... I have no interest in participating at that point.
And there is the rub.. the field/cv is only useful and interesting to me so long as red planes come up from it in about equal numbers... I don't get a think out of capturing it... I seriously don't even want it captured... with one exception.
If capturing a field makes it so there are now two closer fields then I am glad... but.. if another good fight is going on somewhere else... I am leaving... I won't join the whorde on their next missunzzzz.
As for what could get more people in the early war? new planes and maps with fields at 3/4 of a sector.
What could ruin the EW? organized field capture...or.... whordes... the numbers you want and need to capture are the numbers that ruin every good fight in any arena.
5 or more planes against 5 or more is the best fights for me in early war... don't need more than 10 or 20 players or so for that... what you want is 100-300 players all steamrolling... same old same old. and... not the least bit fun for me.
Close fields? you can steamroll and the rest of us can allways find a fight (away from you) at another set of close fields.
in short... we can only get along so long as the fight is a fight... when you turn it into a gangbang field capture... we lose interest.
don't you get it? when you get the advantage you want and need in a fight/field capture....
it no longer becomes a place we want to be. How are you gonna have us all get along with those two mindsets? one that wants a good fight and the other that want's to supress a good fight...
Our goal is to find a fight with a bunch of planes... yours is to kill the ability for the other side to launch planes so that you can circle around killing buildings and the odd moron who tries to take off.
just as you are disgusted that we didn't bring a bomb to what you think is a field capture.... we are disgusted that you bombed the horn of plenty that is spitting out red planes for what we thought was a good place for air combat.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
ok... let me explain because I don't think you really do understand... I will go where the action is... when you kill the action I will leave. I have no interest in attacking a field that has no fighters or the fighters are so capped that they can't get their wheels up.
If I am part of a "field capture" I only stay so long as it is a good fite... when it degenerates into a steamroller.. I finish the sortie and go somewhere else while they milkrun the field and "capture" it... The capture guys can circle around the now useless field and give each other orders and drop bombs on toolsheeds to their hearts content but... I have no interest in participating at that point.
And there is the rub.. the field/cv is only useful and interesting to me so long as red planes come up from it in about equal numbers... I don't get a think out of capturing it... I seriously don't even want it captured... with one exception.
If capturing a field makes it so there are now two closer fields then I am glad... but.. if another good fight is going on somewhere else... I am leaving... I won't join the whorde on their next missunzzzz.
As for what could get more people in the early war? new planes and maps with fields at 3/4 of a sector.
What could ruin the EW? organized field capture...or.... whordes... the numbers you want and need to capture are the numbers that ruin every good fight in any arena.
5 or more planes against 5 or more is the best fights for me in early war... don't need more than 10 or 20 players or so for that... what you want is 100-300 players all steamrolling... same old same old. and... not the least bit fun for me.
Close fields? you can steamroll and the rest of us can allways find a fight (away from you) at another set of close fields.
in short... we can only get along so long as the fight is a fight... when you turn it into a gangbang field capture... we lose interest.
don't you get it? when you get the advantage you want and need in a fight/field capture....
it no longer becomes a place we want to be. How are you gonna have us all get along with those two mindsets? one that wants a good fight and the other that want's to supress a good fight...
Our goal is to find a fight with a bunch of planes... yours is to kill the ability for the other side to launch planes so that you can circle around killing buildings and the odd moron who tries to take off.
just as you are disgusted that we didn't bring a bomb to what you think is a field capture.... we are disgusted that you bombed the horn of plenty that is spitting out red planes for what we thought was a good place for air combat.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
I can,t believe i,m actually saying this but here it goes!!!!
well said lazs!!!!
the reasons you stated above were the reason i started my "why not a fighter only arena" post.
the post wasn,t meant to cause trouble, but to address the problems that both playing styles encounter. i still think it would be a good idea!!
respectfully yours,
Boner
public relations officer for Boner
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and I still think it wouldn't be a good idea.
I think a lot better idea would be to (at least in early war) have closer fields in all the maps.... 3/4 sector. I also think that CV's with two or more carriers would be good as would a lot more manned ack at the fields.
I could then "participate" in the field capture untill it became a milkrun with nothing to do but cap and bomb and at that point.... move to another field where there was action... idealy... there would be 3 or more fields all having fights..
even if the generals and missunzzz guys decided to "help" at one by killing the fight.. the furballers could stay till the thing became a steamroller of the FH's or CV was killed and then leave for better fields.. the milkrunners could stay and give each other orders and kill buildings unopossed followed by troops and capture and high fives all around.
everyone would be getting what they wanted... anyone could switch from one style to another....
I do realize that my no bombs ever and furball only is not for everyone but... you have to realize that the take the field no matter how boring the gameplay results in is not the way all the field capture guys want.. they might want to jump over and furball for an evening... furballers migh want to steamroll for an evening.
In my opinion the two ridgid types can't coexist except for breif... often more than brief times... the way to make it work is to allow each to go their seperate ways when they want and.....
more important... allow a place for them to go. on the same map.
I am sure that others could explain it better.. I admit that I don't care one bit about making my side sound attractive or pandering to anyone and sensitive people simply amuse or bore me... stupid rules are made to ridicule in my opinion too.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
and I still think it wouldn't be a good idea.
I think a lot better idea would be to (at least in early war) have closer fields in all the maps.... 3/4 sector. I also think that CV's with two or more carriers would be good as would a lot more manned ack at the fields.
I could then "participate" in the field capture untill it became a milkrun with nothing to do but cap and bomb and at that point.... move to another field where there was action... idealy... there would be 3 or more fields all having fights..
even if the generals and missunzzz guys decided to "help" at one by killing the fight.. the furballers could stay till the thing became a steamroller of the FH's or CV was killed and then leave for better fields.. the milkrunners could stay and give each other orders and kill buildings unopossed followed by troops and capture and high fives all around.
everyone would be getting what they wanted... anyone could switch from one style to another....
I do realize that my no bombs ever and furball only is not for everyone but... you have to realize that the take the field no matter how boring the gameplay results in is not the way all the field capture guys want.. they might want to jump over and furball for an evening... furballers migh want to steamroll for an evening.
In my opinion the two ridgid types can't coexist except for breif... often more than brief times... the way to make it work is to allow each to go their seperate ways when they want and.....
more important... allow a place for them to go. on the same map.
I am sure that others could explain it better.. I admit that I don't care one bit about making my side sound attractive or pandering to anyone and sensitive people simply amuse or bore me... stupid rules are made to ridicule in my opinion too.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
Easy solution Lazs, download the terrain editor and make a map.
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Originally posted by lazs2
In my opinion the two ridgid types can't coexist except for breif... often more than brief times... the way to make it work is to allow each to go their seperate ways when they want and.....
exactly.... I'm neither a furballer or a hardened toolsheder, and i see no problem with either parts of the game play.
you have to realise there's very few "rigid" furballers, and very few "rigid" toolsheders. and yes when you meet its ugly.... especially on this forum.
you keep telling us you furball only... and i will say my point again. defend against the toolsheder and the furball can last forever. helll a furball lasted 5hours in LW earlier today (A2 to A5), yet its something you claim doesnt happen in LW arena.
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overlag.. wouldn't it make sense that the toolshed types would be the logical ones to "defend" against the whorde?
Why is it that they never do? I will tell you why.
It is not possible to defend against suicide porkers.. if they are willing to die over and over they can take out the FH's or CV.
The furballers can't kill em and they are way more skilled than the toolshed guys at pure plane killing I am sure you would agree...
nope.. the defense is worse than the disease of the suicide griefer... who is gonna circle high alt and try to kill the suicide porker while everyone else has fun? you? not me.
How do you kill the low level bomber type who suicides time and again at the CV when the numbers are fairly even... as a furballer I can tell you it is all I can do to kill the fighters trying for the skilless CV bomber is not possible every single time... he will get lucky on one attempt eventually..
And... if you try... the fight is dragged down low and furious.... the guy just goes to the next field and comes in high over the cv and dives into it... no defense for that.
Look at the radar... it is allways out... some guy in a late war plane hits every one he can find on the map... even it it kills him. Mostly it doesn't thos cause the ack is pretty worthless against a fast plane.
I am saying that killing FH's or CV's can't be defended against... I can't do it and you certainly can't... not if the guy is a dedicated griefer.
In short... if you try to relax and enjoy the fight... someone will kill it... the toolshedders on your side won't be any good to you because they really can't kill em... they are worse at killing red planes than the furballers.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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the suicide griefer...
So does that make you a furball griefer?
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
So does that make you a furball griefer?
i agree with most (maybe all) of lazs points but yes.....i agree with this point too.
Personally i never try and "suicide" a cv or whatever.... but it often ends up the case if someone is manning those 5inchers. My runs on Cv's include
1: dive on CV, and blow up before i release
2: dive on CV, release bombs, then blow up from ack and only get a few guns on the cv
3: dive on cv, release, and miss...... and ack misses too.....LOL
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Originally posted by Overlag
1: dive on CV, and blow up before i release
2: dive on CV, release bombs, then blow up from ack and only get a few guns on the cv
3: dive on cv, release, and miss...... and ack misses too.....LOL
1.You had FUN
2.You had FUN
3.You had FUN
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
1.You had FUN
2.You had FUN
3.You had FUN
exactly
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A furball griefer? Let's see....
What would that be? If I kill a red plane then he is dead.. he has been killed by a plane that is about equal to his and at about the same alt or... he got caught outnumbered some or... not paying attention...
In any case.. I kill one plane at a time.. I "grief" only one plane but in order to do it... I take a more or less equal chance that I will be killed.
Nothing I can do to ruin the game for dozens of players at one time... certainly not using nothing but a mouse.
If I up over and over from a CV or base I still can only kill one red plane at a time... I can only "grief" one red guy at a time and.... 99% of the time... he got the fight he was there for... he was glad I was there. He is of course more glad if he is the one who shot me down but... he either way... he got a fight out of it and it affected no one but us.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's