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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fulcrum on January 09, 2014, 08:02:21 AM
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I'm curious to see which fighters / bombers and vehicles make it in based on forum opinion. When stating your opinion please also explain your reasoning i.e. fastest plane, best climb, easy to pilot, etc etc etc.
I'm sure several will be no surprise / nothing new.
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I probably should have placed this under the Aircraft / Vehicles forum...my bad. I'm sure Skuzzy will move it if he feels that's the best location for it.
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Spits always come to mind. Turn like the devil, solid acceleration, climb, etc.
The PonyD is a fan favorite for many reasons. I'm sure most new sticks climb into it because it's possibly thee iconic ride of WW2. Then they discover 'speed is life' and learn to runaway.
The La-7 seems to be the ride of preference for journeymen fliers. They have the basic idea of ACM down but not good enough to thrive though they take the training wheels off and climb into the La-7. Likely, they know how to kill lots of PonyDs and are tired of the PonyD getting on the deck and outrunning their Spit. So they climb out of the Spit and into the PonyD.
At some point they seem to migrate into the Brew (AKA F/A-18 Superhornet.) Has a zoom climb rate of deck to 7k in under 3 seconds, dives without losing control surfaces up to speeds in excess of 650mph and has a sustained climb rate of around 5,000/fpm. Or, something like that.
Then they get sophisticated, and exotic. This is where the Ki-84 shows up. Great climb rate, turns better than the Spit they flew just two months ago. Fast enough in a dive to catch any unsuspecting PonyD. Out fights the La-7 (which they deny they ever flew) and is almost good enough to handle the dreaded Superhornet. Because Jap twirlybirds have a reputation of turning into Roman candles they feel manly, like a base jumper or something, pretending the Ki-84 is a risky proposition. Forgetting that it actual has both self-sealing fuel tanks and Skuzzy did the damage modeling like the the Jug family of armored aerocars. They feel its almost like a Zero with training wheels and bigger aleirons.
I think I covered all of the major violators of faith and trust. Now if you'll forgive me. I'm getting my bag of potato chips, my scarf, about to strap on my Fw-190A5, climb to 35,000 feet with my drop tank on and begin looking for birds on autoclimb while the noob is AFK changing their diapers.
boo
:airplane:
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Spits really are good planes to learn in when you're new to the game because they are simply good at everything. They are just a Jack of all trades, but master of none. I find them pretty easy to kill in just about any plane. (Unless Bruv is flying it! :uhoh )
Brewster is the single ugliest fighter ever! I don't need to provide any information to back this opinion up as it is a fact! :P
P-51s and La7s are just a slight annoyance. Very few people fly them to their full potential. You can easy avoid them with a simple flat turn and they go flying past at 400+ mph. I'm finding I'm just ignoring these plane more and more in furballs lately. I just avoid their shot and they pretty much give up after that.
109's are kind of like spitfire, they are pretty good at everything. The difference is the 109 is a Jack of all trades, master of some! :devil
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Spitfires 5 through 16, for reasons everyone but Spit pilots recognize.
I regret that I think the Yak-3 now fits in this class, at least in my opinion. I've been able to beat people I have no right to beat, ever, by flying it.
Other than those, I believe that every plane in AH offers at least some challenges to a pilot. And I'm glad we have the Spits and Yak-3 for people who can't put a lot of time into the game; to allow our Brits to fly their mystical ride of history; and to give people like me the reason to occasionally bray about something.
- oldman
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No matter what, the Yak-3 will never be a "noobish" ride simply because of its armament. You need to have above-average gunnery skill to make something out of one of the lighter gun packages with a very short total firing time.
Unlike a Spit 8/9/16, I would not recommend it for a total beginner to start his career with.
And for the record, my own career started with this progression: La-7 / Ki-84 / Tempest (which is really one of the easiest planes to rack up a lot of kills with)
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Easy ride-whatever you are good in. Noobish-whatever you are good in that irritates other players. :aok
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I call any ride easy mode that when I don't even fly it I can up and land 5+ kills with substantial frequency.
Brewster is the ride I have a pet peeve with because the guys who fly it defend it by saying you can't escape from a fight and go home. Hell if your at a fight more then half way to another base you should be in a different ride anyway.
Also if you make training films while flying a brewster (And HOing in those films) you should slap yourself because that's not helping the overall community, your just breeding bad habits. Hashtag Vudu15 Hashtag Shots fired (Disclaimer, some of his films are good for new guys, he's just showing bad habits in parts is all)
At least a Spit has some nasty stall characteristics... only thing a brew can't do is accelerate in level flight.
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Yet the Brewster is among the top 10 victims of the LW arena 2013 ... few fighters have that much more deaths than kills, and most of them are mainly used as bomb trucks ;)
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Easy rides. 109E. A6m3. A6m5. Spits. I love these rides dearly especially the spit 1
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Spit 8/9/16. Noob.
La7. Dweeb.
Pony. Picktard.
190D. Dora'hore.
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Ki84 although it is not perceived as such by the majority, great all round plane and angles fighter, but its biggest strength is its ability to take damage, everytime you take a shot that fails to inflict serious damage in a fight you are losing angles, something that a Ki84 gobbles up.
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Ki84 although it is not perceived as such by the majority, great all round plane and angles fighter, but its biggest strength is its ability to take damage, everytime you take a shot that fails to inflict serious damage in a fight you are losing angles, something that a Ki84 gobbles up.
That's two for the Ki84....and I for one generally agree with the assessment for the reasons noted above. I'd also add it has good armament and quite a bit of ammo.
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all of them,
The pilot is the only person that makes a difference.
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This topic is a giant troll. :aok
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Yet the Brewster is among the top 10 victims of the LW arena 2013 ... few fighters have that much more deaths than kills, and most of them are mainly used as bomb trucks ;)
I think people give the Brewster the noob nod because if it has energy or position, few planes are easier to get kills with. IMO, the fact that it's killed more than it kills, to me, just means that lots of folks up it under a capped field.
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I think people give the Brewster the noob nod because if it has energy or position, few planes are easier to get kills with. IMO, the fact that it's killed more than it kills, to me, just means that lots of folks up it under a capped field.
Which is where it should be used but the dedicated Brew pilots take it to fights where the enemy either have to try to turn with the brew or give an easier shot to a BNZer.
The plane is easy...I got the "you couldn't land kills in it" speech on 200....up it next sortie got 6 kills over center isle on ozkansas.
Ki84 is very easy...wouldn't put it above a spit 8 or 16 though.
K4 has easy moves but nobody can say the mk108 is an easy gun platform.
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I think the F4U1c and the -4 are pretty easy to learn and fly planes. The ki84 is rather easy but I don't consider it too newbish only because of the dive rate.
The spit 16 and the brew are definitely right up there.
And the temp for BNZ style is almost like taking candy from a baby its so easy.
Those are my picks. :old:
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The plane is easy...I got the "you couldn't land kills in it" speech on 200....up it next sortie got 6 kills over center isle on ozkansas.
I've never understood that argument with the brew...its very survivable with nearby support. However I can understand the argument being made for one of the A6Ms due to their unfortunate habit of turning into a bonfire.
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Yeah but the a6m doesn't have the dive, accel, or climb ability of the Brew, I swear I don't know how the hell the brew can climb vert so well. It annoys the crap out of me when I am trying to go for a rope.
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Yeah but the a6m doesn't have the dive, accel, or climb ability of the Brew, I swear I don't know how the hell the brew can climb vert so well. It annoys the crap out of me when I am trying to go for a rope.
Thus my argument in the past that the a6m is not an easy plane to fly and land kills with in the MA.
FYI - the late model a6m (i.e. 3 and 5) have pretty decent climb below 5K and are very controllable up to a dead stop. I've killed several 109Ks trying to rope me who are surprised to find I can climb just fine with them from the deck in a A6M3. :devil I usually die right after this from a pick...but we will not talk about that. :cry
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And another of these threads why?
There never has been, nor will there ever be consensus on this subject.
Waystin has the right path to enlightenment...it's not about what you're good in, it's about what someone else beats you in while you're busy killing his buddy.
It's about sick survivability, not gunnery thus removing Lusches tard explanation that the guns package make the Yak-3 not noobish. Please. It can set the combat tempo of the fight easily increasing its survivability, thus making it a noob ride. Compounding this fact is that it has few handling quirks which allows the virtual pilot easy handling, easy egress and easy landings. Low ammo loads? Hot pad it and you'll land 5-6 every flight, lol.
Noob central=Yak3
Edit: every night on 200 someone says,"hey! I just tried the Yak3 and it's awesomesauce! My new ride!!" I've never heard anyone say that about:
k4, 202, 205, F6F, etc etc.
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Yeah but the a6m doesn't have the dive, accel, or climb ability of the Brew, I swear I don't know how the hell the brew can climb vert so well. It annoys the crap out of me when I am trying to go for a rope.
The A6M3 and A6M5 both out climb and out accelerate the Brewster by wide margins. This is why nobody who thinks about stuff instead of going on what they feel takes any of the whines about the Brewster seriously. The people who whine about it blatantly and repeatedly exaggerate its capabilities.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=115&p2=101&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=25&p2=101&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
The A6M2 is slightly better above 5000ft, but fairly parable to the Brewster overall.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=71&p2=101&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
And just for fun, the Ki-43-II vs Brewster:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=127&p2=101&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
The A6M2 and Ki-43-II both handily out turn the Brewster. The Brewster narrowly out turns the A6M5b. Not sure about the A6M3.
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Zekes, brews and 43 are noob scavengers which are completely reliant on other players forcing cons to slow down so they can cockroach them to death.
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And another of these threads why?
Why not? It beats the usual tossing of personal insults, accusations of "spiz" and other silliness.
.... not gunnery thus removing Lusches tard explanation that the guns package make the Yak-3 not noobish.
Aaaannndd then we have this...ah well.
There never has been, nor will there ever be consensus on this subject.
It's odd then that we seem, in general, to have the same planes appearing in each post. How strange.
Thanks for the input. :salute
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Zekes, brews and 43 are noob scavengers which are completely reliant on other players forcing cons to slow down so they can cockroach them to death.
I call em bottom feeders.
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Zekes, brews and 43 are noob scavengers which are completely reliant on other players forcing cons to slow down so they can cockroach them to death.
And the Brewster is any different? Not that you're correct in the first place, mind you. They can operate that way, but saying that is all they are is no different or more accurate than saying that all P-51s or Fw190s do is find a furball already in progress and then just pick up otherwise occupied fighters. I've had many, many kills where nothing made my victim slow down so that my A6M could nail him. It is pretty insulting to be told that all of my kills in the A6M are at the expense of a faster fighter that slowed the enemy down for me when that is in fact a small minority of said kills.
Yeesh. The cognitive dissonance about the Brewster is mind boggling.
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Why not? It beats the usual tossing of personal insults, accusations of "spiz" and other silliness.
Aaaannndd then we have this...ah well.
It's odd then that we seem, in general, to have the same planes appearing in each post. How strange.
Thanks for the input. :salute
It's not odd...do you really expect these folks to show up and defend them as uber? Lol. Hence my statement and question why.
But it was a nice attempt at rephrasing the question for 1,344,398th time :salute
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And the Brewster is any different? Not that you're correct in the first place, mind you. They can operate that way, but saying that is all they are is no different or more accurate than saying that all P-51s or Fw190s do is find a furball already in progress and then just pick up otherwise occupied fighters. I've had many, many kills where nothing made my victim slow down so that my A6M could nail him. It is pretty insulting to be told that all of my kills in the A6M are at the expense of a faster fighter that slowed the enemy down for me when that is in fact a small minority of said kills.
Yeesh. The cognitive dissonance about the Brewster is mind boggling.
The Brewster was included and the only real diff for the Brewster is that it has super warp diving capabilities
Then you've been insulted. Do you still fly?
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I've had many, many kills where nothing made my victim slow down so that my A6M could nail him. It is pretty insulting to be told that all of my kills in the A6M are at the expense of a faster fighter that slowed the enemy down for me when that is in fact a small minority of said kills.
Same here.
I'm pretty sure there are a few others out there who fly the Zeke who have done the same thing i.e. slowly trick their opponents into bleeding off their E without assistance in order to kill them. Nishi comes readily to mind as one who I've seen do it repeatedly.
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It's not odd...do you really expect these folks to show up and defend them as uber? Lol. Hence my statement and question why.
But it was a nice attempt at rephrasing the question for 1,344,398th time :salute
I find reading and comparing the reasons why each member selected the rides they did interesting. I never expected any consensus to be reached....too many different viewpoints of what is and is not important from a gameplay perspective, different fighting styles, etc to ever expect such a thing to occur. I do think there will always be general consensus on Spits / LA7 etc.
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Same here.
I'm pretty sure there are a few others out there who fly the Zeke who have done the same thing i.e. slowly trick their opponents into bleeding off their E without assistance in order to kill them. Nishi comes readily to mind as one who I've seen do it repeatedly.
Whoa there Aces of Japan. Let's investigate this a bit, shall we? There is an enormous difference between me in a K4 finding you in a zeke and fighting you because there is no other, or not very many fights going on vs. you or anyone else "tricking" anyone outside of their 2 week sub into slowing down to turn with a zeke. Having some alt on your prey? Ok but my experience with watching you is you're sky high above the fights and slowly wind your little self down to a non-compression alt and then doing your "trick" or whatever you'd like to call it.
Or, you zeke guys just fly against noobs who don't know how to handle a zeke with alt...either way it's still a noob scavenger ride.
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I like Yaks. They look pretty flying around streaming gas from their wings after they've been shot up. This is a silly thread. :cheers:
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I like Yaks. They look pretty flying around streaming gas from their wings after they've been shot up. This is a silly thread. :cheers:
It's only a put down if being a noob or flying a noob ride regularly is a bad thing. Is it?
I didn't catch your edit....good one
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Whoa there Aces of Japan. Let's investigate this a bit, shall we? There is an enormous difference between me in a K4 finding you in a zeke and fighting you because there is no other, or not very many fights going on vs. you or anyone else "tricking" anyone outside of their 2 week sub into slowing down to turn with a zeke. Having some alt on your prey? Ok but my experience with watching you is you're sky high above the fights and slowly wind your little self down to a non-compression alt and then doing your "trick" or whatever you'd like to call it.
Or, you zeke guys just fly against noobs who don't know how to handle a zeke with alt...either way it's still a noob scavenger ride.
at the end of the fight if your the one sitting in the tower I still one in my a6m5. Any people don't realize how fast that plane can dive
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at the end of the fight if your the one sitting in the tower I still one in my a6m5. Any people don't realize how fast that plane can dive
I do. And I also understand how poorly it rolls above 340 kts. Let a zeke get good and cooking on ya from above and when it's 1000 out, roll away. Do it too early and you'll die...patience solves the riddle of the diving zeke.
But don't try that with the F-18 Super Brewster. It can dive with the 51Ds and 47s, lmao
Edit: if I'm the one in the tower against a zeke, it ain't cuz the zeke is uber, lol
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Whoa there Aces of Japan. Let's investigate this a bit, shall we? There is an enormous difference between me in a K4 finding you in a zeke and fighting you because there is no other, or not very many fights going on vs. you or anyone else "tricking" anyone outside of their 2 week sub into slowing down to turn with a zeke. Having some alt on your prey? Ok but my experience with watching you is you're sky high above the fights and slowly wind your little self down to a non-compression alt and then doing your "trick" or whatever you'd like to call it.
Or, you zeke guys just fly against noobs who don't know how to handle a zeke with alt...either way it's still a noob scavenger ride.
I did not claim every kill I've made in a zeke was done that way. If I did, it would be just as disenginous as you stating you've never picked someone or vulched a field in your K4. Nor have I ever claimed to be the "Aces of Japan" or even that I am even a great stick.
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I did not claim every kill I've made in a zeke was done that way. If I did, it would be just as disenginous as you stating you've never picked someone or vulched a field in your K4. Nor have I ever claimed to be the "Aces of Japan" or even that I am even a great stick.
You supported the Karnak zeke paradox. His claim or yours that it isn't a scavenger is self-serving but not accurate.
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How things have changed. Ten years ago most people's first answer would've been n1k2. The noob ride now imo is the 109k4.
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You supported the Karnak zeke paradox. His claim or yours that it isn't a scavenger is self-serving but not accurate.
I see then. Ok, whatever!
Moving along....
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This topic is a giant troll. :aok
Honestly it wasn't intended to be but, yes, it likely will devolve into one. :frown:
How things have changed. Ten years ago most people's first answer would've been n1k2. The noob ride now imo is the 109k4.
I'm surprised the N1K2 hasn't shown up as well.
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How things have changed. Ten years ago most people's first answer would've been n1k2. The noob ride now imo is the 109k4.
LMAO
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For a fighter I have to throw in the F4U1A. Its fast for the big birds. Climbs okay but when you got the E it hangs on to it like a first spring hound after his first squeak. It furbals better than a lot of planes.
Best SA training plane the P38. Its the squeak. Enough said about that.
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The noob ride now imo is the 109k4.
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But don't try that with the F-18 Super Brewster. It can dive with the 51Ds and 47s, lmao
If the B-239 is incapable of matching the P-38 (any of the Lightnings in this game), how can one expect the B-239 to match the P-51D or P-47 in a dive? The simple answer is it can't. I had a B-239 bounce me with over a 5k alt advantage, I went into a shallow dive and watched as I maintained my lead over the B-239 and slightly increased my dive to build more seperation as he dove steeper and steeper in a vain attempt to catch me. Then he made the mistake to try and catch me in the vertical when I pulled into a zoom climb and easily roped him when he stalled out.
ack-ack
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The A6M3 and A6M5 both out climb and out accelerate the Brewster by wide margins. This is why nobody who thinks about stuff instead of going on what they feel takes any of the whines about the Brewster seriously. The people who whine about it blatantly and repeatedly exaggerate its capabilities.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=115&p2=101&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=25&p2=101&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
The A6M2 is slightly better above 5000ft, but fairly parable to the Brewster overall.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=71&p2=101&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
And just for fun, the Ki-43-II vs Brewster:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=127&p2=101&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
The A6M2 and Ki-43-II both handily out turn the Brewster. The Brewster narrowly out turns the A6M5b. Not sure about the A6M3.
I was talking about vert climb rate as in going straight up or spiral climbing. I know from years of experience how these planes fly. BTW, the Brewster almost weighs twice as much. The Brewster can out dive or dive on most planes. The a6m cannot. The Brewster is a much better and easier plane to fly than than the a6m in aceshigh.
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Without ever having taken a Brewster from 20k to the deck, I'd be shocked if it compressed at an equal or lower speed than the 38. Starting early enough, using a shallow dive to get a away from a Brewster doesn't mean your plane dives better, it means your SA was better than his positional advantage.
I don't think the Brewster is some super climber, but it seems to zoom well while hiding it's energy better than a lot of planes. Whether that has something to do with it's modeling, shape, or the fact we know in our heads the Brewster is supposed to be slow, it seems to be the plane people misjudge E states of the most.
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How ca any one consider a K4 to be a "newb" plane?
It can't dive, it has a small ammo load out with hard to hit guns, it can turn well only if you really know what you are doing. It will lose to any vet stick in a nik, ki84, spit, f6f, f4u, and so on. You don't see it out run many p51s, typhs, or 190s,
Its a fun plane to fly but by no means is it even close to being a "newb" ride
Actually I strongly consider most newb players to learn the N1K. It is a great all around fighter with awesome cannons and a bunch of them. Turns and dives great. Only bad thing about it is it is kinda slow so you cant run away, which again is great for newbs who want to learn how to fight.
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Without ever having taken a Brewster from 20k to the deck, I'd be shocked if it compressed at an equal or lower speed than the 38. Starting early enough, using a shallow dive to get a away from a Brewster doesn't mean your plane dives better, it means your SA was better than his positional advantage.
I don't think the Brewster is some super climber, but it seems to zoom well while hiding it's energy better than a lot of planes. Whether that has something to do with it's modeling, shape, or the fact we know in our heads the Brewster is supposed to be slow, it seems to be the plane people misjudge E states of the most.
The reason AKAK was in a shallow dive was so his plane experiences less drag over the long run, thats why he escaped.
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Without ever having taken a Brewster from 20k to the deck, I'd be shocked if it compressed at an equal or lower speed than the 38. Starting early enough, using a shallow dive to get a away from a Brewster doesn't mean your plane dives better, it means your SA was better than his positional advantage.
I don't think the Brewster is some super climber, but it seems to zoom well while hiding it's energy better than a lot of planes. Whether that has something to do with it's modeling, shape, or the fact we know in our heads the Brewster is supposed to be slow, it seems to be the plane people misjudge E states of the most.
I think that hits the nail on the head with the brew. It looks like it is going slow but somehow manages to hold E flawlessly
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In all actuality the spit16, f4u4, F4u1c, and temp are the newb easiest planes to fly and get kills in the game.
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You supported the Karnak zeke paradox. His claim or yours that it isn't a scavenger is self-serving but not accurate.
Changeup,
What do you fly and how do you fly it?
If you fly a fast aircraft smartly and do not yourself spend significant time in things like the A6M then what you see, A6Ms and such only being scavengers, is more due to how you fly and how they relate to your flying than a representation of the full range of fights they have. You're making blanket statements based on your personal experience when your experience is narrow.
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I think that hits the nail on the head with the brew. It looks like it is going slow but somehow manages to hold E flawlessly
It drains E like a stuck pig in comparison to the Fw190D-9, power on and power off, in actual comparison tests. It is horrible at holding E.
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The reason AKAK was in a shallow dive was so his plane experiences less drag over the long run, thats why he escaped.
The shallow dive in that situation was best because it forced the Brewster to give up more of his advantage than he should have, which allowed him to equalize E states and rope him with a superior climbing plane. That doesn't mean the Brewster can't out dive the 38, it just means AKAK was smarter and more aware than the Brewster pilot.
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It drains E like a stuck pig in comparison to the Fw190D-9, power on and power off, in actual comparison tests. It is horrible at holding E.
It doesn't have to hold it's E better than a D9. All it has to do is hold it's E better than you think it can, which it seems to do a lot.
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The shallow dive in that situation was best because it forced the Brewster to give up more of his advantage than he should have, which allowed him to equalize E states and rope him with a superior climbing plane. That doesn't mean the Brewster can't out dive the 38, it just means AKAK was smarter and more aware than the Brewster pilot.
Do the tests yourself and you'll see that the supposed B-239's diving ability is nothing more than another AH myth. The only time a B-239 is deadly in a 1v1 fight is if you're stupid enough to get into a flat turn fight with one.
ack-ack
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noob or dweeb?
Noob - Spit16
Dweeb - p51, LA7, 190d9, Tempest
Do the tests yourself and you'll see that the supposed B-239's diving ability is nothing more than another AH myth. The only time a B-239 is deadly in a 1v1 fight is if you're stupid enough to get into a flat turn fight with one.
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That pretty much sums it up.
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spit16....does everything great...most responsive of all planes
Ki84....is tougher then a sherman tank.....and does all great except dive but is still fast enough to get away.
spit9/8....very responsive...great climb...easy recovery...weak though....
temp....speed = life...try to Tnb in it though its a whole new ball game....
P51...if used in the Bnz roll only...if used to TnB becomes very much a NON noob ride.....
Hurri2C...slow so you must fight...but extremely deadly...Best guns in game....if it was faster it would be up around #1
A6m's....way to easy to catch fire.....but turns awesome...good SA and you can kill the best..(I love killing 262 in it :-)
P47's...used only in BnZ mode.....TnB again she is way to heavy to turn with the true fighters.
brew is to slow to be on the list.
but any plane can be a Noob ride to someone who knows that plane.....to AKAK the 38 is a noob ride...to a noob the 38 is anything but a noob ride......
the K4 is not a noob ride in general until you get good with the tater.....
I don't think any of the 109's are "noob" rides...the views suck..the guns arnt great except the obvious 30mm which is not an easy gun to land with......hard stalls....gets heavy at the controls at high speeds....
once known the 262 is the deadliest plane there is.....
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Do the tests yourself and you'll see that the supposed B-239's diving ability is nothing more than another AH myth. The only time a B-239 is deadly in a 1v1 fight is if you're stupid enough to get into a flat turn fight with one.
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I probably will if I get bored enough. I would expect the 38 to accelerate faster in the dive, but compress long before the Brewster does.
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When I was a noob I flew the k4 in aw and the g10 in ah because all one has to do is dive up, stay above your target all day, rope a dope and bnz. Most noobs go through a 109 phase at about the 1 year mark when they learn to fight in the vertical, that's why we see so many in k4s in AH now. And with the 30mm cannon you don't have to worry about dogfighting and saddling up. As far as diving, if someone is diving away from you you've already won, he's retreating and ceding the airspace.
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Most noobs go through a 109 phase at about the 1 year mark
:rofl
How sure are you of that?
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Of all these easy mode rides, during a spiral climb. Which is the best and most forgiving for the newb to keep his nose up longest to hail Mary hose the vet trying to stall him out. I leave strategies for the evasive recovery to the trainers, DA practitioners and the new player.
The A6m, Ki43 and Brewster in the hands of vets have been very successful in defeating this tactic and the recovery. But, I'm asking for the new kids when they first catch on they are being setup by other players to become targets with the spiral climb, and begin thinking about how to win from the bottom. Which one is going to be the kindest at the beginning of their attempt's to defeat the spiral climb with a long nose up hosing at the vet before they stall out? Everyone goes through this stage. Some a shorter time than others.
Sometimes they have E going into it like a big furball between two bases, sometimes like during a CV attack everyone is 3k and below.
I know, don't be there in the first place at the bottom of the spiral climb. Still, every newbie reaches this stage as a rite of passage for playing Aces High and pads vets kill strings over and over every day.
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Using Ranger's bombrang offline map, dropping from his N airspawn (15k) to the deck, the 38J is in full on locked up compression in the low 400`s IAS. The Brewster just starts to make noise at the 460 mark and has enough authority left to not auger.
What did I do wrong?
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:rofl
How sure are you of that?
Well maybe through was the wrong word.
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Well maybe through was the wrong word.
Got into the 109 phase after 2 weeks of Spit16 and 2 months of La7. My ride of choice was the G6. Wasnt rope-a-doping in it.
Oddly enough, after 3 years, found something else. Dancing with her is extremely difficult, yet so satisfying.
Over 99% of the population will never understand this kind of insane thinking.
Deliberately addressed this to one certain celebrated spitdweeb.
Bragging over false awesomeness is all he can do.
I can only pity him.
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If the B-239 is incapable of matching the P-38 (any of the Lightnings in this game), how can one expect the B-239 to match the P-51D or P-47 in a dive? The simple answer is it can't. I had a B-239 bounce me with over a 5k alt advantage, I went into a shallow dive and watched as I maintained my lead over the B-239 and slightly increased my dive to build more seperation as he dove steeper and steeper in a vain attempt to catch me. Then he made the mistake to try and catch me in the vertical when I pulled into a zoom climb and easily roped him when he stalled out.
ack-ack
I wasn't talking about the 51 having much alt....I was referencing the scavengerish behavior.
38 on the deck or 3K or less after a pass..........a Brewster with 5K alt advantage will catch you dood. I've seen it too many times. But I would like a film of your encounter...for the sake of humor.
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Changeup,
What do you fly and how do you fly it?
If you fly a fast aircraft smartly and do not yourself spend significant time in things like the A6M then what you see, A6Ms and such only being scavengers, is more due to how you fly and how they relate to your flying than a representation of the full range of fights they have. You're making blanket statements based on your personal experience when your experience is narrow.
But wait? You said you've caught lots of 51's in your zeke. That's what we're arguing...that the DOMINANT way zekes in the MA get 95% of their kills. You said I wasn't correct. You said your kills in a zeke were obtained by not having others slow the faster plane down (do I need to quote you on this or can you look back one page?) Now you're telling me not to slow down cuz that would be dumb...against you in a zeke, apparently I should just avoid you! I get keeled going fast or slow!!! LMAO!
You don't know me. The only thing that's narrow in here is your opinion and your head. Get in a zeke, send me a PM and well see if you can kill me without me getting slow. You said you could. You said you've done it many many times. I think you're full of BS. Hell, I'm even willing to watch thousands of your zeke-kills-faster-plane videos while the faster plane stays fast if you have any of them.
Geezus...this guy is funny.
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I guess an intellegent discussion bereft of personal attacks was a bit to much to hope for. :(
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Using Ranger's bombrang offline map, dropping from his N airspawn (15k) to the deck, the 38J is in full on locked up compression in the low 400`s IAS. The Brewster just starts to make noise at the 460 mark and has enough authority left to not auger.
What did I do wrong?
Nothing. You are correct. I just did it too with the same results. Someone doesn't know as much as they think they do
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I guess an intellegent discussion bereft of personal attacks was a bit to much to hope for. :(
Surely you didn't think this topic for the 1,344,589th time would go smoothly did you? But your snarky sarcasm is ok though,lmao!!
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Surely you didn't think this topic for the 1,344,589th time would go smoothly did you? That would be dumb (token personal attack)
One can always hope. It was doing quite well for a while. Oh well.
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I used to enjoy flying the brew because I was on a break from the game when it was added, however I never found a 38 I couldn't match / out do in a dive. I felt comfortable putting the brew 450+ often, knowing I had ease of control still.
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I used to enjoy flying the brew because I was on a break from the game when it was added, however I never found a 38 I couldn't match / out do in a dive. I felt comfortable putting the brew 450+ often, knowing I had ease of control still.
I've had brews stay with me in a dive while flying many different plane types, both in the DA and MA. That being said, in general I normally don't have problems with Brews...as others have stated, don't turn with it, go virt and it's just a matter of time.
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Agreed, also LWMA brewsters tend to be flown for close fights, I can't remember the last time I found a brewster better then 10k. I know they are out there, I just never see them lol.
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Agreed, also LWMA brewsters tend to be flown for close fights, I can't remember the last time I found a brewster better then 10k. I know they are out there, I just never see them lol.
Saw one above me a last week at what looked like 18 to 20K. I remember thinking to myself "What the heck are you doing up there, little fella?" :lol
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Surely you didn't think this topic for the 1,344,589th time would go smoothly did you? But your snarky sarcasm is ok though,lmao!!
I was not being sarcastic. I was honestly sad to see what started as a very good conversation be turned towards the usual drivel, and by the usual suspects.
Slightly off topic - I find it interesting that your post changed since I first quoted it. I almost didn't notice that. See my post at 6:24:11PM intially quoting your posting. Strange how it went from "That would be dumb (token personal attack)" to "But your snarky sarcasm is ok though,lmao!!" and yet the post shows no indication it was edited. How odd.
Now I'm being sarcastic...but thanks for the thought provoking revelation.
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I was not being sarcastic. I was honestly sad to see what started as a very good conversation be turned towards the usual drivel, and by the usual suspects.
Slightly off topic - I find it interesting that your post changed since I first quoted it. I almost didn't notice that. See my post at 6:24:11PM intially quoting your posting. Strange how it went from "That would be dumb (token personal attack)" to "But your snarky sarcasm is ok though,lmao!!" and yet the post shows no indication it was edited. How odd.
Now I'm being sarcastic...but thanks for the thought provoking revelation.
I have a hack for the BBS and no patience for retreads I guess...especially when the F-18 Super Brewster is being back-patted for notta
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I never made any accusations. I simply said it was thought provoking and thanked you.
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Slightly off topic - I find it interesting that your post changed since I first quoted it. I almost didn't notice that. See my post at 6:24:11PM intially quoting your posting. Strange how it went from "That would be dumb (token personal attack)" to "But your snarky sarcasm is ok though,lmao!!" and yet the post shows no indication it was edited. How odd.
I think you have up to a minute to edit after you make a post and it won't show that the post had been edited.
ack-ack
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I believe you are correct. Still...interesting. :)
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Ponies, K4, all 190's, P47's, Spit 16, La7, Tempest, Typhoons, and F4U's.
All super easy noob rides to the 10th power.
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I guess Brewsters are good planes but I don't remember having all that much trouble with them.
I once held four at bay at about 15K starting from an alt disadvantage and killed three of them. I also got into a slow T'n'B fight with one one day and beat him using verticle obliques. Both these were while flying a Spit of course.
Not sure why people think they're so awsome. Zeke's are much harder to beat in a pure T'n'B fight almost regardless of the pilot.
The real problem is probably taking on the combination of a T'n'B plane flying in tandem with a fast B'n'Z plane who, together, can force the fight whatever direction they want it to go. Inevitably the B'n'Zer will get the opposition to turn and the T'n'B plane will saddle up for the kill and thus, this thread is filled with T'n'Bers being listed as EZ mode.
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I guess Brewsters are good planes but I don't remember having all that much trouble with them.
I once held four at bay at about 15K starting from an alt disadvantage and killed three of them. I also got into a slow T'n'B fight with one one day and beat him using verticle obliques. Both these were while flying a Spit of course.
Not sure why people think they're so awsome. Zeke's are much harder to beat in a pure T'n'B fight almost regardless of the pilot.
The real problem is probably taking on the combination of a T'n'B plane flying in tandem with a fast B'n'Z plane who, together, can force the fight whatever direction they want it to go. Inevitably the B'n'Zer will get the opposition to turn and the T'n'B plane will saddle up for the kill and thus, this thread is filled with T'n'Bers being listed as EZ mode.
True that. But I think what happens more often is that the TnB planes gets the target all busied up for the BnZ plane to get a nice, big aspect shot.
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The A6M3 and A6M5 both out climb and out accelerate the Brewster by wide margins. This is why nobody who thinks about stuff instead of going on what they feel takes any of the whines about the Brewster seriously. The people who whine about it blatantly and repeatedly exaggerate its capabilities.
Cool your charts show climb rate and sustained turns...
I have thousands of hours in the MA and have had hundreds of 1v1s in the last 3 months.(not a thousand hours flying last 3 months of course) I understand all of your arguments completely even Ack Ack about flat turning a brew is stupid :rolleyes: ....tracking got that.
Triton already showed the 460 mph....that compares to a 152s diving ability not anything of its own class except maybe a hurricane 2c (both of which should have the 2Cs any).
It has great stall characteristics... because it doesn't have them it fly's like an RV8 in the stall.
This is one of the planes in the game where I can up a be very close to positive that I can score 5+ kills. Literally got into a brew discussion on 200 then landed 6 in it...then the next day beat WMaker up in it in the DA.
The plane doesn't need any practice to fly it...other then it's a little slower then most planes but it's turn rate and it's "flying whirble" ability make up for that ten fold....at least zeaks have crap guns.(wait for the it only has 4 50 argument.. that gun package is good for 6-8 A2A kills easily with how easy it is to saddle up on people in the MA.)
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then the next day beat WMaker up in it in the DA.
Actually you didn't "beat up" anything.
Yeh, I did auger few times indeed while being drunk as skunk. :) What you forget is you got shot down as well. Since you insist on taking this up time and again and gloating and bragging on nothing I guess I should dig the films up.
I must say I don't really feel like going through many gigabytes worth of compressed folders to find it though.
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Done got us an ego dust up a brewing.
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The shallow dive in that situation was best because it forced the Brewster to give up more of his advantage than he should have, which allowed him to equalize E states and rope him with a superior climbing plane. That doesn't mean the Brewster can't out dive the 38, it just means AKAK was smarter and more aware than the Brewster pilot.
If your looking for performance attributes that the brewster has over whatever plane you were flying its probably more than likely acceleration over a certain speed, or it could be the performance of the plane you are trying to escape in? I wouldn't take anything as a given in any plane regardless of its supposed performance the pilot is always the defining factor, leave the film running and watch it back for when the brewster gets you.
Personally I find brewsters a non issue, there are planes like an f4u4 or ki84 where it will be a close run thing in the vert vs a D9, but a Brewster in a rope like AKAK says is easy once its energy is gone.
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Same here.
I'm pretty sure there are a few others out there who fly the Zeke who have done the same thing i.e. slowly trick their opponents into bleeding off their E without assistance in order to kill them. Nishi comes readily to mind as one who I've seen do it repeatedly.
Fulcrum, thanks for the kind words here and in another thread that I can't recall the name of. :salute
Rather than take issue with or disparage other's opinions of my beloved Zeke, I will just offer up the reasons that I, a 15+ year vet of the genre.... Have chosen it as my favorite bird. I love to turn fight..... period. No nefarious nor sinister reason behind it. It just suits my preferred fighting style better than any other.... period. Do I get plenty of scavengerish type kills in it? Yes... Do those make up a majority of my kills in it?.... I honestly couldn't tell you, but I can definitively say that that is NOT the reason I fly it.
The adrenaline rush that comes with engaging another Zeke, brew, Oscar.... (Insert uber turny bird name here) and emerging the victor (While dodging countless pick attempts I might add)..... IS the reason I fly the paper mache Zippo.
My mindset may very well be the minority mindset among Zeke drivers and I don't presume to know how many Zeke drivers are of the scavenger mentality. It may be that an overwhelming majority of Zeke drivers possess that mentality to acknowledge Changeup's position.
I also gain a great deal of satisfaction from successfully evading numerous passes from a advantageously positioned (Insert uber BnZ bird name here) all while somewhat equalizing E states.... (Karnak and Fulcrum's "trick", which I prefer to liken to a chess match)... At the very least narrowing the E states gap enough to get that momentary lucky fatal snapshot that has garnered me more than a few haxxor pm's.
Food for thought..... Who is more invested in the "fight" (that increasingly elusive utopia that so many of us old timers seek) down and dirty in a furball?? Is it that dastardly, scavenging, bottom feeder Zeke, or the speedy Pony zooming repeatedly through the furball picking off whatever stalled red guys he can find? I submit the Pony is more of a "scavenger" than the Zeke is. Furthermore I can guarantee which one of the two is statistically more likely to survive the furball.
:salute Nishizwa
Frequent "noob" Zeke driver, and dang proud of it! :aok:
Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post do not necessarily represent the views held by my squad or a majority of fellow oldtimers. :old:
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This has MOAT potential. We shall wait.
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Ponies, K4, all 190's, P47's, Spit 16, La7, Tempest, Typhoons, and F4U's.
All super easy noob rides to the 10th power.
I disagree. With the exception of the Spit 16. I find the more manueverable plans much easier to fight. Especially from a disadvantaged postition.
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Fulcrum, thanks for the kind words here and in another thread that I can't recall the name of. :salute
Rather than take issue with or disparage other's opinions of my beloved Zeke, I will just offer up the reasons that I, a 15+ year vet of the genre.... Have chosen it as my favorite bird. I love to turn fight..... period. No nefarious nor sinister reason behind it. It just suits my preferred fighting style better than any other.... period. Do I get plenty of scavengerish type kills in it? Yes... Do those make up a majority of my kills in it?.... I honestly couldn't tell you, but I can definitively say that that is NOT the reason I fly it.
The adrenaline rush that comes with engaging another Zeke, brew, Oscar.... (Insert uber turny bird name here) and emerging the victor (While dodging countless pick attempts I might add)..... IS the reason I fly the paper mache Zippo.
My mindset may very well be the minority mindset among Zeke drivers and I don't presume to know how many Zeke drivers are of the scavenger mentality. It may be that an overwhelming majority of Zeke drivers possess that mentality to acknowledge Changeup's position.
I also gain a great deal of satisfaction from successfully evading numerous passes from a advantageously positioned (Insert uber BnZ bird name here) all while somewhat equalizing E states.... (Karnak and Fulcrum's "trick", which I prefer to liken to a chess match)... At the very least narrowing the E states gap enough to get that momentary lucky fatal snapshot that has garnered me more than a few haxxor pm's.
Food for thought..... Who is more invested in the "fight" (that increasingly elusive utopia that so many of us old timers seek) down and dirty in a furball?? Is it that dastardly, scavenging, bottom feeder Zeke, or the speedy Pony zooming repeatedly through the furball picking off whatever stalled red guys he can find? I submit the Pony is more of a "scavenger" than the Zeke is. Furthermore I can guarantee which one of the two is statistically more likely to survive the furball.
:salute Nishizwa
Frequent "noob" Zeke driver, and dang proud of it! :aok:
Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post do not necessarily represent the views held by my squad or a majority of fellow oldtimers. :old:
Well put, Nishi. The points you make are exactly mirror my own thoughts. :salute to the Mighty Mitsubishi Mounted Muppet. :aok
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Food for thought..... Who is more invested in the "fight" (that increasingly elusive utopia that so many of us old timers seek) down and dirty in a furball?? Is it that dastardly, scavenging, bottom feeder Zeke, or the speedy Pony zooming repeatedly through the furball picking off whatever stalled red guys he can find? I submit the Pony is more of a "scavenger" than the Zeke is. Furthermore I can guarantee which one of the two is statistically more likely to survive the furball.
I think this is 100% accurate. Certainly since AW ended and my beloved Yak 9 went away I've historically been a B&Z driver and it is, by its nature, far more of a savenger type roll. Stallfighting is much more risky and takes more skill and talent to be successful (hence why I DON'T do it anymore, I suck). When the B&Z'r is in a fight, he feeds best when he can scavenge off the efforts of his stallfighting companions. That's just the nature of the furball.
That's why I tend to view the faster B&Z rides as the more newbie friendly as that type of flying is simply a shorter path to success. Thus the LA7, P51, P47M (if I can get kills in it, its a newb ride!), Dora, and the B&Z Spits would be on my list.
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That's why I tend to view the faster B&Z rides as the more newbie friendly as that type of flying is simply a shorter path to success. Thus the LA7, P51, P47M (if I can get kills in it, its a newb ride!), Dora, and the B&Z Spits would be on my list.
Those are the 2nd stage noob rides - I think someone early in this thread called them "journeymen". These planes require some basic understanding of tactics and some SA, but otherwise ACM requirements can be kept to a minimum. In the hands of a veteran though, these planes makes you want to get into a maneuvering fight because they allow you to exit the fight if you recognize early enough that it is not going your way. I tend to be a lot more daring in a P-51D or P-47M than I do in an F6F or Mosquito. In the former I tulips the situation: "slim chance of winning, good chance of escape - worth a try", while the same situation in the latter: "Hmmm, slim chance of winning, very likely to end up being ganged - better try a different approach".
A Brew or KI43 can only do one thing and can never exit a fight without friendly help, in that sense they are more invested in the fight. However to get a kill, unless they catch a speed demon at a significant disadvantage to begin with, they will need friendly help in order to prevent it from escaping.
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A Brew or KI43 can only do one thing and can never exit a fight without friendly help, in that sense they are more invested in the fight. However to get a kill, unless they catch a speed demon at a significant disadvantage to begin with, they will need friendly help in order to prevent it from escaping.
Same argument that keeps coming up...yes it's harder then say a Dora but if you get trapped at a fight it's not the plane...it's your SA failing you just like y'all are saying toward getting killed by it.
Certain planes make certain dweebery very easy... brew is one.....so is Dora.
WMaker I do remember you being intoxicated... maybe its different for me but intoxication doesn't effect my flying as much as it does my aim.
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WMaker I do remember you being intoxicated... maybe its different for me but intoxication doesn't effect my flying as much as it does my aim.
LOL
Did you actually read what I wrote/remember what actually happened in those fights (~3 years ago) you need to mention again and again?
...truly not the sharpest tool in the shed...
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Go, Maker, you can do it :aok
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Go, Maker, you can do it :aok
Considering how you bring your PMS frequently all over this BBS, you really don't have much leverage on anything.
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PM sent :devil
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LOL
Did you actually read what I wrote/remember what actually happened in those fights (~3 years ago) you need to mention again and again?
...truly not the sharpest tool in the shed...
Hmmm I don't remember you saying you were drunk until after first fight where I was still alive and you weren't....
Hey bud your a good stick but flying a Brew is easy...my point on the argument is that you can jump right in and not have to worry about crap...like a 152 stall...bouncing nose in a spit 14....compression in a P38. Sorry I used our DA time as an example but you being probably the best known brew pilot in the game it is a good example. The brew is a plug and play...no practice required.
Yes I have an ego and I might come off cocky, in my line of work it's about being better then the other guy...just the way I am if you don't like it I could care less...just like I could care less that you post films. Please threaten me over the internet some more, your really gettin my adrenaline going.
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Yes I have an ego and I might come off cocky,
Indeed, the problem is that you are also a liar and very few people like being lied about. I certainly don't. We both went down roughly the same amount while I was piss drunk. So saying that "you beat me up" is straight up lying. I'm not a big fan of compulsive liars.
I really don't care what you think about the Brewster. Bragging about beating some one on the BBS I consider rather childish and stupid in general...even if you actually beat someone, it's a video game for crying out laud. Lying about it is even more idiotic.
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Yet the Brewster is among the top 10 victims of the LW arena 2013 ... few fighters have that much more deaths than kills, and most of them are mainly used as bomb trucks ;)
But But people will continue to believe the Brewster climbs 5,000fpm and flies at 680 mph, how can it have more deaths then kills!?
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But wait? You said you've caught lots of 51's in your zeke. That's what we're arguing...that the DOMINANT way zekes in the MA get 95% of their kills. You said I wasn't correct. You said your kills in a zeke were obtained by not having others slow the faster plane down (do I need to quote you on this or can you look back one page?) Now you're telling me not to slow down cuz that would be dumb...against you in a zeke, apparently I should just avoid you! I get keeled going fast or slow!!! LMAO!
You don't know me. The only thing that's narrow in here is your opinion and your head. Get in a zeke, send me a PM and well see if you can kill me without me getting slow. You said you could. You said you've done it many many times. I think you're full of BS. Hell, I'm even willing to watch thousands of your zeke-kills-faster-plane videos while the faster plane stays fast if you have any of them.
Geezus...this guy is funny.
Point out where I said I caught, or killed, many P-51s in the A6M.
Before you accuse me of nonsense, make sure you're not putting words in my mouth.
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For the record, the fastest kill I got in an A6M that I recall was about 410-425mph and I was maneuvering like a broken B-17, but the enemy Spit IX was flying straight and level while running from some other fighters. Altitude was about 20,000ft. I dove down to overtake as much as I could, speed was forcing my nose up and I pulled the trigger as my gunsight passed over the Spit, blowing one of its wings off.
The majority of my A6M kills were in brawls where the enemy and friendlies were all, of their own accord, going well below top speeds or by suckering a faster fighter into slowing down to make angles on me and then making them pay for it.
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the brew is not the easy plane people make it out out be....it dives "pseudo" fast and turns good...that is all......
to get kills in it you need good SA and ACM to set up the shot opportunity....or just gang/vulch everyone :confused:
TnB is harder to master then BnZ..... you die far more often and will most often have to fight a lot more cons........but BnZ has its own issues that are difficult to master....setting up that shot while staying fast is not easy....Steve was a master at it......
they both take AIM....SA....timing....TnB has more ACM......unless someone is an aggressive BnZer then of course more ACM will come into play...that is rare in the MA though.
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But But people will continue to believe the Brewster climbs 5,000fpm and flies at 680 mph, how can it have more deaths then kills!?
The answer is it can't. It can soak up damage fairly well for such a small plane, but you can say that about the FM2 or F4F as well. It can dive well but it's not a 47.
Personally I've never had an issue with Brews....but I'm fairly smart enough to not try to turn with it. When I do get killed by one it's almost always because I got too slow in a fight and am likely to low to build E quickly....and who's fault is that?
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they both take AIM....SA....timing....TnB has more ACM......unless someone is an aggressive BnZer then of course more ACM will come into play...that is rare in the MA though.
I don't feel it's as rare as you think....and in my mind the higher speed ACM is a lot of fun. It's not as common as the low speed stuff seen in low furballs I will grant you.
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I don't feel it's as rare as you think....and in my mind the higher speed ACM is a lot of fun. It's not as common as the low speed stuff seen in low furballs I will grant you.
an "aggressive" Bnzer...is most definitely rare in the MA.....I am not saying there are none....by any means....but far more often you will get guys who take a pass go 3-4k away and then make another HO pass rinse and repeat ad nauseam.....that is most prevalent BnZer you will find....
I very much enjoy fighting an aggressive BnZer....I know right away if that 190 or 51 is gonna be a good fight or not....I enjoy when they do it aggressively....when I see him go inverted and turn back into me at 2k....I know it will be a good fight.....win or lose.....and damn that is all I want.
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Aggressive BnZ is the only way to do BnZ. Timid BnZ never bleeds the enemy's E out as they just rebuild it during the long egress and ingress. Timid BnZ relies on catching somebody doing something else.
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Aggressive BnZ is the only way to do BnZ. Timid BnZ never bleeds the enemy's E out as they just rebuild it during the long egress and ingress. Timid BnZ relies on catching somebody doing something else.
and we have a winner...... :salute
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an "aggressive" Bnzer...is most definitely rare in the MA.....I am not saying there are none....by any means....but far more often you will get guys who take a pass go 3-4k away and then make another HO pass rinse and repeat ad nauseam.....that is most prevalent BnZer you will find....
I very much enjoy fighting an aggressive BnZer....I know right away if that 190 or 51 is gonna be a good fight or not....I enjoy when they do it aggressively....when I see him go inverted and turn back into me at 2k....I know it will be a good fight.....win or lose.....and damn that is all I want.
Ahhh. My mistake. I misread and misinterpreted your post. My bad.
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Aggressive BnZ is the only way to do BnZ. Timid BnZ never bleeds the enemy's E out as they just rebuild it during the long egress and ingress. Timid BnZ relies on catching somebody doing something else.
Yeah, that style should be called "drive by shootings". It's a valid tactic for many-on-many fights, but it's not the art of energy fighting.
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A20G/Boston III
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There are no easy planes - just easy pie-lets. And all of you are noobs!
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I'm getting tempted to learn this soldering crap so I can fix about 4 joysticks and get back in the air. Brews are food, the yak-3 (or whatever) will be too. :joystick:
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Brews are food, the yak-3 (or whatever) will be too.
Oh, sure, for someone flying a noob ride like the La7!
- oldman (Hurry up and figure out your soldering iron. Ask Ack-Ack if you're having trouble.)
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Oh, sure, for someone flying a noob ride like the La7!
- oldman (Hurry up and figure out your soldering iron. Ask Ack-Ack if you're having trouble.)
Howdy - where did BW disappear to? Did I miss an addy change? If it's still up can you pm me details? Thx.
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Aggressive BnZ is the only way to do BnZ. Timid BnZ never bleeds the enemy's E out as they just rebuild it during the long egress and ingress. Timid BnZ relies on catching somebody doing something else.
I would say I am an aggressive BnZ'er, but rarely do I find them when the tables are turned.
My normal profile (in my nooish P-47M) is to come in high, 18K normally, to scare off all the Pee-51's, and Run-90's (they hit the deck when anything co-alt/E arrives). Then I work my way down trying to keep my M in the performance wheel house till all the red guys are gone. Rinse-repeat...
I have been trying to branch out though. I have kills in 18 different fighters this month so far, only 4 or so that have made this list...
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There are no easy planes - just easy pie-lets. And all of you are noobs!
:old:
I'm getting tempted to learn this soldering crap so I can fix about 4 joysticks and get back in the air. Brews are food, the yak-3 (or whatever) will be too. :joystick:
I shot Shane down a couple days ago.....
said hey, but he never responded.... :noid
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I defend capped bases and die alot
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I shot Shane down a couple days ago.....
said hey, but he never responded.... :noid
Ain't me... someone has a big rep to live up to now, lol.
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Ain't me... someone has a big rep to live up to now, lol.
I shot you down once old man. You shot me down alot more. Come on back to the game, it needs you.
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I shot Shane down a couple days ago.....
said hey, but he never responded.... :noid
Theres a Bish SHANE flying around. I've seen him a few times lately and he's definately not Shane.
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Ain't me... someone has a big rep to live up to now, lol.
I knew that..within 8 seconds......he was in tower..... :t
and yes I agree...The game needs more Shane...the real one that is :salute