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Title: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: RotBaron on June 27, 2020, 05:32:54 PM
Preface: no intention of getting off topic into things forbidden in BBS. I’ve read the threads here and saw where they headed. However, I saw enough posts here downplaying it to raise my concern.
I’m a RN, I work primarily in medical surgical setting and skilled nursing. I have not had any patients with active infection, but I have had recovering/recovered patients. I do know many ICU nurses though that I trust their word on this. Also I’m in AZ where we’ve seen the biggest % increase recently. AZ lagged way behind in testing. In March and April our health services were screaming for more testing, so that was predictable. I can’t however speak for TX, CA and FL which have also had big increases when what I heard here was that those states had the testing AZ wanted.
It’s not behaving as a respiratory virus in a enough of cases and which begs should it really be Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome COV 2?
A good friend lost a 29 y/o to it, he did have underlying conditions, however he said it was the kidney failure that lead to demise. That’s the youngest case that I personally know of from another nurse I can trust. He sends me the ICU shift census updates. 2 weeks ago it was 19% in his ICU and about the same across the other 5 hospitals of that company network. At the moment it’s near double.
I know 4 people who have had moderate to severe symptoms, tested positive and recovered. They each had the well known symptoms, but each one had different chief complaint, i.e. one had severe fatigue “unlike any cold or flu he’d ever had,” another had considerable shortness of breath.
To sum up, lest I go on for pages, I see so many people out at stores and other places (unfortunately even on nursing units) that still don’t take it serious enough. At the same time I’m not saying to live in fear about going to the grocery store or your mail, I am saying that it does different things to different people. Please be as safe as you can and if you’re not worried about it for yourself, maybe be concerned enough for others that have known/unknown pre-existing conditions.
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Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Busher on June 27, 2020, 06:38:23 PM
Thank you for posting this. :salute
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: MORAY37 on June 28, 2020, 01:07:26 AM
Preface: no intention of getting off topic into things forbidden in BBS. I’ve read the threads here and saw where they headed. However, I saw enough posts here downplaying it to raise my concern.
I’m a RN, I work primarily in medical surgical setting and skilled nursing. I have not had any patients with active infection, but I have had recovering/recovered patients. I do know many ICU nurses though that I trust their word on this. Also I’m in AZ where we’ve seen the biggest % increase recently. AZ lagged way behind in testing. In March and April our health services were screaming for more testing, so that was predictable. I can’t however speak for TX, CA and FL which have also had big increases when what I heard here was that those states had the testing AZ wanted.
It’s not behaving as a respiratory virus in a enough of cases and which begs should it really be Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome COV 2?
A good friend lost a 29 y/o to it, he did have underlying conditions, however he said it was the kidney failure that lead to demise. That’s the youngest case that I personally know of from another nurse I can trust. He sends me the ICU shift census updates. 2 weeks ago it was 19% in his ICU and about the same across the other 5 hospitals of that company network. At the moment it’s near double.
I know 4 people who have had moderate to severe symptoms, tested positive and recovered. They each had the well known symptoms, but each one had different chief complaint, i.e. one had severe fatigue “unlike any cold or flu he’d ever had,” another had considerable shortness of breath.
To sum up, lest I go on for pages, I see so many people out at stores and other places (unfortunately even on nursing units) that still don’t take it serious enough. At the same time I’m not saying to live in fear about going to the grocery store or your mail, I am saying that it does different things to different people. Please be as safe as you can and if you’re not worried about it for yourself, maybe be concerned enough for others that have known/unknown pre-existing conditions.
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I know people actively studying it and they say the damage they are seeing in cells all over the body is scary. Heart muscle is being demolished in one patient. Lung tissue in another. A new scary thing that's popping up is that the virus has a particular new found affinity for attacking the cells that make insulin. My friend at Johns Hopkins is seeing people come out the other side of a "low grade" Covid-19 infection with a nice case of diabetes for life as a souvenir. Also, the list of what is considered a "pre-existing condition" with this virus is now so long that ~65% of the United States population has at least one.
I've personally had 5 friends go through it (and one of their infants who was hospitalized) and also had coworker pass away from it (5 are in their mid 30's and one in their 40's, all without pre-existing conditions). The lady three doors down from my home died three weeks ago from it. She was a healthy 67. My neighbor's mother AND father both died from it. It's not a joke.
But, people are going to say and do whatever they want, especially in America. Honestly, they don't believe it until it happens to them. There's also the false sense of bravado and machismo that pervades our society.
All you can do is try to educate them. It doesn't help that the observations by research doctors with multiple PHd's are considered equal to the opinion of the guy on youtube who graduated the bottom of his high school class in this current climate. It seems there isn't a particular cell this virus won't attack, currently. Heart, Lung, Liver, Nervous system, digestive system and even reproductive cells have been damaged. It's not really about the dying that is scary..... it's what you're likely to take with you for the rest of your life. My colleague told me about a patient that "survived" a bad infection..... with extreme heart muscle damage that will likely lead to surgical intervention at some point, and lung function reduced by 45%..both are likely permanent. The patient is 36 years old.
I'll take the science. The people I speak with are former colleagues that went into medicine while I stayed in ecology....and they know what they are talking about. But again, I live in what was an initial Covid hot spot.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: whiteman on June 28, 2020, 02:11:46 AM
My wife’s an RRT just south of Houston. The first couple months were smooth and manageable, last week things started getting busy. First cases were older folks, 50 to 90 and most went home in a couple days. The didn’t vent anyone, they’ve had great success with just going basic. Now she’s seeing 17 to 32 and they aren’t doing good.
Opened up to fast, people didn’t respect it and acted like it was over since memorial weekend. She’s head of the department and said their Houston medical center hospital was asking for vents, could only spare one.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: FESS67 on June 28, 2020, 02:55:00 AM
I have heart disease and I have left the house only 5 times in the last 3 months. If I get it I am in trouble. It saddens me that human beings cannot adhere to pretty basic rules to stop something like this. Most are too selfish and do not want to put themselves out for the better of others. A sad difference from the Greatest Generation who lived this game for real and put others first.
Modern society has become too focused on possessions and position. We have even seen cases of 'influencers' doing dumb things just so they can get the next post on some social media platform.
Having said that, dealing with this situation is a difficult choice that no matter which way people go they will be judged poorly. Open up and people die = bad choice. Stay closed and society collapses = bad choice. I do not know the answer however I think I prefer the open up scenario. We may lose 2 million people to it but the other hundreds of millions get to go on in some sort of normality. Harsh call but I feel the bunker down option hurts more people for longer.
Either way, do what you can to stay safe and try to not put others at risk.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Shuffler on June 28, 2020, 05:52:21 AM
Until this past Thursday, I did not know anyone who has it or has had it. I found out our company insurance broker had it. It said it hit him like a cold and never got any worse.
My brother went to his doctor to get his physical. When he entered the doc just reached out and shook his hand. My brother laughed and said he thought he would get a fist or elbow bump with all that is going on. His doc just laughed.
We have been through this many times before.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Eagler on June 28, 2020, 06:46:34 AM
They say everyone will have to catch it for us to be safe as no vaccine will be available before that happens
They say once you have it you have " a pre existing condition" going forward as far as health insurance goes
Currently the only place you can get any kind of coverage once you have one is obamacare and that is crap insurance at best
This event will lead to national heathcare reform
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Eagler
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Shuffler on June 28, 2020, 08:58:32 AM
They say everyone will have to catch it for us to be safe as no vaccine will be available before that happens
I think we better hope that is not the case. It certainly shouldn't be taken cavalierly with a nihilistic "Oh lets all just hurry up and get it to get herd immunity." That's suicide-bomber thinking in my opinion.
This is not the flu. It is not a cold. They are starting to see a wide range of second order effect of this disease even if the patient thought they had a "mild" version. This thing can damage organs through out the body. Heart, lungs, blood vessels. The damage may not be detected immediately, but may lead to long term health problems and shortened life spans.
A lot of gassed soldiers in WWI didn't die immediately in 1918. They died in 1922, 1925, 1928. With damaged lungs, just one more bad cold was all it took.
What I fear, is a mass nation-wide health problem of a million COVID damaged survivors, ruining and shortening lives and putting incredible long term pressure on our health system for decades to come.
No one should want to hurry up and "get" this to get it over with. I've had friends express this sentiment to me and frankly I think they are ignorant, uninformed or just crazy. For one thing they are getting better every day in even learning how to treat this disease. Your odds of survival are much better now than the first few months when they had no experience on how to fight this. It will get better. They will find pharma treatments. They will develop serum antibody treatments before a vaccine. A certain percentage of the population will never get this before the vaccine arrives. You want you and your family to stay in that golden percentage. That will require intelligence, discipline and a little luck.
Hope you all make it.
:salute
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Maverick on June 28, 2020, 10:16:50 AM
I have pre existing conditions as a two time cancer survivor down to one kidney. I don't go out much at all. I had to take the car in for service and wore a mask. Was the only one in the dealership with one. Now my county is seeing a doubling in covid cases. We do go out to eat or have take out twice a week to give the wife a break from the kitchen. but that is pretty much it. The wife does her grocery shopping by internet and has curbside delivery so she doesn't have to go in the store. Hoping this crap slows down in the next month or so.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: save on June 28, 2020, 10:21:21 AM
The problem we have in many western countries lately is than the younger generation do not respect distance to other young and contract it, and in turn give it to relatives and friends.
I'm scheduled for test for antibodies against corona in 2 days, the reason is that I might have antibodies, I flew from Bangkok, with a flight from Wuhan leaving just less than an hour before my flight in February, and I shared passport and security control with them.
If have I have antibodies, they can use my blood to give corona patients in the hospitals, if they prove it to be effective.
I caught a fever one week after coming home, but that was very brief, and could be, or not an Corona infection. My friend I flew with was home from work 2 weeks, and had bad coughs for another 4 weeks . Fortunately we both work from home 100% of the time, so no other could be infected from what we had, whatever type of infection we got.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: CptTrips on June 28, 2020, 10:32:57 AM
Hoping this crap slows down in the next month or so.
Yeah, me too. But I don't believe it will.
I think we haven't seen anything yet. I think the orchestra has just been warming up in the pit. The curtain doesn't open until Fall. Then the show really begins.
It would be a good idea to use this lull to get restocked, purchase a freezer if you don't have one, based on the first trial run, is there anything you wish you had prep'ed better the first time, now is the time to correct that. Battery charger for vehicles? (Hadn't moved my truck for a month and found my battery dead! :bhead) You've had a warning shot. Don't waste the opportunity to prepare.
Oh, how about just grilling and taking meal duties from your wife for the evening instead of going to a restaurant? Personally, there is no way I'd eat in a restaurant, or even get take out. You have no idea who is breathing on your food in that kitchen. But you can guess they are a low wage worker, who probably doesn't get sick pay so just tough out a shift even if they are feeling sick. Shudder. But hey, if you feel comfortable with that... :aok
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Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Scared on June 28, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
Yeah its coming back strong. I know we have to re-open our economy to keep from collapse, but people are gonna die. stay safe folks. take your vitamin D!!!!
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Spikes on June 28, 2020, 10:56:18 AM
In.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Wolfala on June 28, 2020, 11:01:08 AM
Preface: no intention of getting off topic into things forbidden in BBS. I’ve read the threads here and saw where they headed. However, I saw enough posts here downplaying it to raise my concern.
I’m a RN, I work primarily in medical surgical setting and skilled nursing. I have not had any patients with active infection, but I have had recovering/recovered patients. I do know many ICU nurses though that I trust their word on this. Also I’m in AZ where we’ve seen the biggest % increase recently. AZ lagged way behind in testing. In March and April our health services were screaming for more testing, so that was predictable. I can’t however speak for TX, CA and FL which have also had big increases when what I heard here was that those states had the testing AZ wanted.
It’s not behaving as a respiratory virus in a enough of cases and which begs should it really be Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome COV 2?
A good friend lost a 29 y/o to it, he did have underlying conditions, however he said it was the kidney failure that lead to demise. That’s the youngest case that I personally know of from another nurse I can trust. He sends me the ICU shift census updates. 2 weeks ago it was 19% in his ICU and about the same across the other 5 hospitals of that company network. At the moment it’s near double.
I know 4 people who have had moderate to severe symptoms, tested positive and recovered. They each had the well known symptoms, but each one had different chief complaint, i.e. one had severe fatigue “unlike any cold or flu he’d ever had,” another had considerable shortness of breath.
To sum up, lest I go on for pages, I see so many people out at stores and other places (unfortunately even on nursing units) that still don’t take it serious enough. At the same time I’m not saying to live in fear about going to the grocery store or your mail, I am saying that it does different things to different people. Please be as safe as you can and if you’re not worried about it for yourself, maybe be concerned enough for others that have known/unknown pre-existing conditions.
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That is some bad ARDS with necrosis, fibrosis, and cystic changes. Not many hospitals would have the resources to take her through mechanical ventilator failure, ECMO and then transplant. Amazing job.
That is some bad ARDS with necrosis, fibrosis, and cystic changes. Not many hospitals would have the resources to take her through mechanical ventilator failure, ECMO and then transplant. Amazing job.
There have been reports of some people who thought they had recovered fine, but lung analysis showed bad scaring and damage they didn't even realize they had. There are other reports of long term neurological damage. Damage to heart muscle. It might take years for the full damage of this disease to become fully apparent.
I think we better hope that is not the case. It certainly shouldn't be taken cavalierly with a nihilistic "Oh lets all just hurry up and get it to get herd immunity." That's suicide-bomber thinking in my opinion.
This is not the flu. It is not a cold. They are starting to see a wide range of second order effect of this disease even if the patient thought they had a "mild" version. This thing can damage organs through out the body. Heart, lungs, blood vessels. The damage may not be detected immediately, but may lead to long term health problems and shortened life spans.
A lot of gassed soldiers in WWI didn't die immediately in 1918. They died in 1922, 1925, 1928. With damaged lungs, just one more bad cold was all it took.
What I fear, is a mass nation-wide health problem of a million COVID damaged survivors, ruining and shortening lives and putting incredible long term pressure on our health system for decades to come.
No one should want to hurry up and "get" this to get it over with. I've had friends express this sentiment to me and frankly I think they are ignorant, uninformed or just crazy. For one thing they are getting better every day in even learning how to treat this disease. Your odds of survival are much better now than the first few months when they had no experience on how to fight this. It will get better. They will find pharma treatments. They will develop serum antibody treatments before a vaccine. A certain percentage of the population will never get this before the vaccine arrives. You want you and your family to stay in that golden percentage. That will require intelligence, discipline and a little luck.
Hope you all make it.
:salute
This is not the only thing with possible ongoing issues. Some will have them, some will not. Medicines we take can cause more issues and even death. This is nothing new.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Arlo on June 28, 2020, 01:11:36 PM
This is not the only thing with possible ongoing issues. Some will have them, some will not. Medicines we take can cause more issues and even death. This is nothing new.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: guncrasher on June 28, 2020, 01:33:17 PM
a guy came into the legion with a cough. they took his temperature but was still turned away and encouraged to isolate himself. he posted on Facebook that he was in another bar. he believes that is a hoax. I'm pretty sure he was sent home from work due to that cough. there's a few legionaires that think it's a hoax too.
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Shuffler on June 28, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
I don't know anyone personally that thinks it is a hoax. These happen ever so often, always have.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Scared on June 28, 2020, 05:19:12 PM
I predict that by the time it is over there will be more deaths in the USA from this than the rest of the world together. We are about 5% of the population of the world and we have about 25% of the cases of Covid-19. That will be a testimony to the F'ed up nature of our nation and our national priorities. I am just glad I live in small town America where the craziness hasn't yet migrated. Stay safe guys.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: save on June 28, 2020, 06:12:57 PM
I doubt many nations statistics, death rate etc. outside the western-oriented nations. Many have an agenda and are pressing down their numbers heavily.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Shuffler on June 28, 2020, 06:18:19 PM
I doubt many nations statistics, death rate etc. outside the western-oriented nations. Many have an agenda and are pressing down their numbers heavily.
Yes and since the numbers are skewed already, no one will ever know how many actually died of covid.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: guncrasher on June 28, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
I doubt many nations statistics, death rate etc. outside the western-oriented nations. Many have an agenda and are pressing down their numbers heavily.
it isn't so much an agenda but more about money. you don't have the money you can't test. it's that simple.
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Arlo on June 28, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Also, that argument suggests more deaths from Covid-19, since it cannot be effectively used to suggest fewer.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: BoilerDown on June 29, 2020, 12:13:44 AM
Yes and since the numbers are skewed already, no one will ever know how many actually died of covid.
Its quite easy to have a very good idea of how many died of Covid. Just look at the death rate of ordinary years, and compare to this year. Statistics will tell you with X certainty that Covid increased the death rate by Y amount. There will be no denying it by anyone who doesn't also deny the roundness of the earth, etc.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: BoilerDown on June 29, 2020, 12:16:34 AM
I am just glad I live in small town America where the craziness hasn't yet migrated.
Hopefully you have a hospital system that doesn't easily get overwhelmed when it does migrate to your area. Being in a small town isn't a good thing when things get bad.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: atlau on June 29, 2020, 12:30:08 AM
Its quite easy to have a very good idea of how many died of Covid. Just look at the death rate of ordinary years, and compare to this year. Statistics will tell you with X certainty that Covid increased the death rate by Y amount. There will be no denying it by anyone who doesn't also deny the roundness of the earth, etc.
Still a rough estimate. Sadly there may be more suicides as people lose jobs. On the other hand, fewer people driving to work has lowered vehicular deaths. How do you best account for those?
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 29, 2020, 01:27:15 AM
it isn't so much an agenda but more about money. you don't have the money you can't test. it's that simple.
semp
In LA County, there are numerous free testing sites set up.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Scared on June 29, 2020, 01:34:53 AM
Yeah I get ya. No situation is perfect. I was going to pull down the statue of the guy who ran Wheeling-Pittsburgh steel but figured...whats the point? I had to settle for writing graffiti on the parking garage. lol. j/k. Good old West Virginia...no teeth...is having teeth a prerequisite for catching covid? If so...that might be the solution. Oh well...insomnia and cannibus kicking in. good night guys. Also, do you think generations of us mating with our cousins could have built some sort of immunity? :x
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Shuffler on June 29, 2020, 06:22:17 AM
Still a rough estimate. Sadly there may be more suicides as people lose jobs. On the other hand, fewer people driving to work has lowered vehicular deaths. How do you best account for those?
Yes several have killed their whole family. A lot of mentally unstable people out too.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: CptTrips on June 29, 2020, 08:45:53 AM
Meh. I admit it took me a few years on the internet to finally realize it, but there is just no point in arguing with Flat-Earthers, QAnon Nutters, Moon-Landing Deniers, Covid Skeptics, or Religious Whacks.
I don't argue with them for the same reason I don't bother arguing with small children or senile elders. There is simply no point.
:salute
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Arlo on June 29, 2020, 10:57:08 AM
Shouldn't 'Flat Earthers' want to flatten the curve?
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: CptTrips on June 29, 2020, 11:16:05 AM
What I'm really curious about is how this will eventually effect private health insurance companies if this continues to drag on or get worse. (I expect both.)
No way they could have sufficient reserves for this kind of extended Black-Swan event. What happens when the private insurance system begins to collapse?
Imagine being in the ICU and the hospital administrator comes in with paper work and tells you you insurance company has filed Chapter 11 and they'll need you to sign for your $300,000 month long hospital stay.
How will the public react when these companies, who have milked them dry for decades, suddenly decide this sector is unprofitable and decide to close up shop and move in to other more profitable fields. You're on your own. Good luck. So long, and thanks for all the fish.
I had something similar happen to me with car insurance years ago. I had car insurance with State Farm here in Texas. After a series of bad hail storms, they sent me a letter saying they just decided to get out of the car insurance business. I had 3 months to find coverage elsewhere. I don't know if that was all of State Farm in Texas or just my agent. It certainly felt like a right FU. Especially since I never filed any hail damage claim.
Don't think that private insurance won't just fold and dump people if they feel there is not enough profit in it to stay and payout. They'll do it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: whiteman on June 29, 2020, 12:39:05 PM
I had something similar happen to me with car insurance years ago. I had car insurance with State Farm here in Texas. After a series of bad hail storms, they sent me a letter saying they just decided to get out of the car insurance business. I had 3 months to find coverage elsewhere. I don't know if that was all of State Farm in Texas or just my agent. It certainly felt like a right FU. Especially since I never filed any hail damage claim
That was your agent that was the salamander. Haven’t been dropped for anything in Houston.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Shuffler on June 29, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
State Farm is poor insurance. Had been for decades. Farmers took a dump about four years back when it got rid of all the brokers with experience. They brought in completely clueless brokers with little if any knowledge.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: guncrasher on June 29, 2020, 12:50:13 PM
What I'm really curious about is how this will eventually effect private health insurance companies if this continues to drag on or get worse. (I expect both.)
No way they could have sufficient reserves for this kind of extended Black-Swan event. What happens when the private insurance system begins to collapse?
Imagine being in the ICU and the hospital administrator comes in with paper work and tells you you insurance company has filed Chapter 11 and they'll need you to sign for your $300,000 month long hospital stay.
How will the public react when these companies, who have milked them dry for decades, suddenly decide this sector is unprofitable and decide to close up shop and move in to other more profitable fields. You're on your own. Good luck. So long, and thanks for all the fish.
I had something similar happen to me with car insurance years ago. I had car insurance with State Farm here in Texas. After a series of bad hail storms, they sent me a letter saying they just decided to get out of the car insurance business. I had 3 months to find coverage elsewhere. I don't know if that was all of State Farm in Texas or just my agent. It certainly felt like a right FU. Especially since I never filed any hail damage claim.
Don't think that private insurance won't just fold and dump people if they feel there is not enough profit in it to stay and payout. They'll do it in a heartbeat.
just talking about what i see in my neighborhood.
all elective surgery are canceled, really hard to get an appointment to see a doctor. you get screened while making an appointment and if you do not meet whatever standards they have you only get a phone appointment. i got rear-ended 2 weeks ago, not serious enough to go to the hospital, so i got a phone appointment. thought it was funny having a doctor ask you to move this way or that way over the phone. right now i have a mass in my left elbow, about 2 inches in diameter, i took a picture and you guess right, another phone appointment.
insurance companies are saving money, less people are going to the doctor. and some hospitals are laying off personnel. while ers are as packed as always.
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Shuffler on June 29, 2020, 02:59:30 PM
Hopefully they are not packed with the usual folks that have colds and such. They should not treat anyone that is not an emergency.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: guncrasher on June 29, 2020, 03:18:18 PM
Hopefully they are not packed with the usual folks that have colds and such. They should not treat anyone that is not an emergency.
normal flu like symptoms without a fever or difficulty in breathing are sent home after getting a swab and told to go home and isolated and only return with a fever or difficulty breathing. body aches like i hurt my back but no broken bones are also sent home.
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Shuffler on June 29, 2020, 03:30:00 PM
normal flu like symptoms without a fever or difficulty in breathing are sent home after getting a swab and told to go home and isolated and only return with a fever or difficulty breathing. body aches like i hurt my back but no broken bones are also sent home.
semp
I am referring to before covid actually. I had to meet my Mother in law at the emergency room as she was removed from the ambulance. The place was full of folks who could not speak English.
The nurse said they come there for colds and such.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: guncrasher on June 29, 2020, 04:03:51 PM
I am referring to before covid actually. I had to meet my Mother in law at the emergency room as she was removed from the ambulance. The place was full of folks who could not speak English.
The nurse said they come there for colds and such.
just asked my wife that question as she worked in the er. she said unless it was a slow day which she never had one, flu or flu like symptoms are made to wait till there was space, they would get checked in but without fever or difficulty breathing, English or no English they would be there for hours if they declined to go to urgent care.
i myself have taken my wife to urgent care outside of hospital because it was cheaper and we had great insurance. er visits are 250, urgent care at hospital was 30 but you had to go in wait in line at 12 make appointment and come back after 5pm and again wait 1 or 2 hours. urgent care outside of hospital is 60-80, was more convenient and same level of care.
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Vulcan on June 29, 2020, 05:37:34 PM
I doubt many nations statistics, death rate etc. outside the western-oriented nations. Many have an agenda and are pressing down their numbers heavily.
An agenda? nah. Most poor nations have very poor healthcare or cash operated healthcare.
Take Cambodia for example, you need cash to see a doctor or get into hospital. Run out of cash and you're out on your backside. And a lot of doctors appear to be fake, we hear a lot of stories from family (wife is cambodian) about stuff which makes no sense. So many cambodians don't trust doctors.
The outcome is a lot of sick people there simply don't see a doctor, either they don't have cash or are afraid. So you know that the 140 cases there represent a tiny subset of the population (rich people who can afford genuine doctors).
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: RotBaron on June 29, 2020, 09:23:30 PM
In LA County, there are numerous free testing sites set up.
In Phoenix metro and the valley the wait times/lines to get the test is reportedly taking up to 8 even 10 hours. Saw a man interviewed in line said he’d been in line with his mother (who had a fever and cough) for 8 hours and they were about to run out of gas (it was well over 100 for a good part of that day). He was thankful that they were finally close to the front.
Announced today, our bars, gyms and gatherings of 50+ people have been shut down again. Foreseeable, but late to the game (again) IMO as our steep incline started occurring 2+ weeks ago.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Shuffler on June 29, 2020, 11:03:00 PM
Difference being.... you are paying, they are not.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Eagler on June 30, 2020, 06:24:18 AM
Opened a huge testing site here yesterday at 8am and closed an hour later when all 300 and something available tests had been assigned.
Can someone please tell me what testing anyone not sick enough to see a doctor actually does?
You drive through and get swabbed or poked for your sample..
You leave testing and go fill up with gas..
You accidentally infect yourself as you rub your eye after using the gas pump within minutes after someone who gas infected had filled his truck..
You are now infected though your sample will come back negative and the cycle continues...
Other than an incomplete picture of an infection percentage at a moment in time these tests are useless unless you can continually test everyone to get an accurate picture of an ever changing scene which is not possible.
From what I can gather the age of the infected has dropped as has the strength of the virus but old ppl and the obese which sadly now a days seems to be the majority of the population in the US need to be careful.
Stay safe as I predict this should pass by 2nd week in Nov at the lastest :)
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: icepac on June 30, 2020, 07:39:31 AM
My mom recently contracted covid19.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Arlo on June 30, 2020, 07:41:24 AM
Opened a huge testing site here yesterday at 8am and closed an hour later when all 300 and something available tests had been assigned.
Can someone please tell me what testing anyone not sick enough to see a doctor actually does?
You drive through and get swabbed or poked for your sample..
You leave testing and go fill up with gas..
You accidentally infect yourself as you rub your eye after using the gas pump within minutes after someone who gas infected had filled his truck..
You are now infected though your sample will come back negative and the cycle continues...
Other than an incomplete picture of an infection percentage at a moment in time these tests are useless unless you can continually test everyone to get an accurate picture of an ever changing scene which is not possible.
From what I can gather the age of the infected has dropped as has the strength of the virus but old ppl and the obese which sadly now a days seems to be the majority of the population in the US need to be careful.
Stay safe as I predict this should pass by 2nd week in Nov at the lastest :)
Eagler
Exactly. If you feel you need to be tested, then you should quarantine. It makes little sense otherwise. We have talked about this at the shop.
I am aware of a family that took their daughter to baseball practice. She is a new player. One of their sons was sick but they all went to ball practice except that son. Two days later they are texting folks that their son has covid and they are all getting test. Well now the whole family is testing positive. They are still waiting on the little girls test.
They will probably not quarantine as they did not do it when the kid was sick and they knew he might have it.
This is not just going away. You are going to have to face it sometime. You can't hide behind your mask and stay closed forever. We can already see that is becoming just as deadly. More people to riot, more to kill their families, more to commit crimes......
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Arlo on June 30, 2020, 07:45:28 AM
You can't fix stupid. Especially when it's deliberate.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Eagler on June 30, 2020, 10:51:23 AM
As I sit in my cable lab at work with my mask on watching my glasses fog up with each exhale, I follow the rules...
If I could not work and this affected me financially, it would have to be another story.
I hope I am wrong with my prediction as if it were to come true many folks would be rightly outraged.
Hope your mom has the lighter version some say this thing has become
<S>
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: guncrasher on June 30, 2020, 11:42:49 AM
i believe masks won't stop me from catching the virus but it lowers the risk. the dumb guy that was turned away at the legion came back yesterday and tried to get it during a new bartender. i walked in and mention to the bartender that he has a cough and wasn't allowed in on Saturday. he got all upset saying he had already been served. i gave him 10 bucks told him to go home. he got banned for two months.
it seems a little extreme and he probably only has a cough and not covid19 but is the risk worth it?
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Mister Fork on June 30, 2020, 11:58:35 AM
i believe masks won't stop me from catching the virus but it lowers the risk. the dumb guy that was turned away at the legion came back yesterday and tried to get it during a new bartender. i walked in and mention to the bartender that he has a cough and wasn't allowed in on Saturday. he got all upset saying he had already been served. i gave him 10 bucks told him to go home. he got banned for two months.
it seems a little extreme and he probably only has a cough and not covid19 but is the risk worth it?
semp
@semp/@guncrasher - yeah, it won't stop us from catching it, but masks will slow those who have it, don't know, and stop them from spreading it than without a mask.
My legion hasn't met since because most of us are older and are scared sheitless of catching 'the vid'. So, I'm going to propose we meet virtually - most of us have a smart phone and being a CIO at a local college, I'm going to host our meeting because I want to make sure our senior veterans and members are getting the help they need and use to rely on from us pre-covid.
Stay safe everyone. :salute
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: RotBaron on July 01, 2020, 10:08:40 AM
My old neighbor is quite involved in treating these pts. It’s interesting because he’s a co-director for the state poison control, but he has always moonlighted in county ER. We’re seeing him interviewed on the news nightly. He’s a great Dr, although kinda seems like he’s loving the attention...not really his personality as he goes by first name outside of work setting. Anyhow he said last night he’s been looking at 20-30somethings lungs and remarked how much fibrosis exists. Even stated with one pt who was not on O2, with those lungs he’s surprised they’re alive.
Also, my ICU buddy said his whole unit is now all Covid and other non-Covid were transferred to an auxiliary ICU.
We have an old hospital that had the medical side closed a year ago, in March they were preparing to open it back up, then didn’t need to and now are planning to open it again - all pts there will be Covid...things keep evolving.
The general public had some false hope that our “heat” would “kill”it...most viruses can tolerate up to 140-160 before becoming denatured...UV rays, yes that will, but not 115 degree heat.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Maverick on July 01, 2020, 10:34:59 AM
In TX there has been a resurgence, big surprise. It's highest in the big city areas where the "woke" decided to protest a few weeks ago. My rural county has finally topped 100 total cases and 2 fatalities There are 60 active cases now where the other month it was only about 35. The local grocery chain announced if you want inside you must be masked. HEB offers curb side delivery just like wally world does, no mask required which is good because masks, sanitizer and other stuff are all but impossible to find still.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: RotBaron on July 01, 2020, 10:55:33 AM
Maverick, Phoenix area has completely caught up to the point of massive surplus on all the stuff there was major runs on: tp, hand sanitizer, bleach, masks etc...
If you’re in need PM me and I’d be happy to send you any of that. The masks though aren’t N95s in quantity, but can be found at strange places like smoke/vape shops.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: guncrasher on July 01, 2020, 11:38:40 AM
In TX there has been a resurgence, big surprise. It's highest in the big city areas where the "woke" decided to protest a few weeks ago. My rural county has finally topped 100 total cases and 2 fatalities There are 60 active cases now where the other month it was only about 35. The local grocery chain announced if you want inside you must be masked. HEB offers curb side delivery just like wally world does, no mask required which is good because masks, sanitizer and other stuff are all but impossible to find still.
just did a quick search on eventbright or whatever is called. pretty sure this events won't spread anything. i read also an article of a county in texas that closed early and only had a few cases which increased to the hundreds when the county was forced to reopen based on governor's orders.
around here there's somebody selling masks in just about every parking lot in stores. liquor stores also have plenty of masks. early in March masks were hard to find, so a neighbor that had a sawing machine made masks for everybody in the complex with donated materials, no charge. i think around 100 masks.
we have plenty of hand sanitizer as you can find it in every store. and yes we have plenty of people who refuse to wear masks, they are refused service. they always start with "... you violating my rights.." clerks always point to the sign "we reserve the right.."
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: zack1234 on July 02, 2020, 04:08:03 AM
I had it in December, 2 other people had.
Its been around longing than they make out.
One of the guys i work with is Chinese and he never gets ill.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Bruv119 on July 02, 2020, 05:59:32 AM
did you actually have it though or just one of those I think I've had it?
Glad your still kicking Zack but if you un-intentionally transmitted it all over Northern England I hope you can sleep at night.
#coronaPies
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: guncrasher on July 02, 2020, 03:13:18 PM
well we are shut down again. so many people did not listen.
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: CptTrips on July 02, 2020, 03:35:39 PM
Texas added 8240 new cases yesterday. The most NY ever added in a day was 11,661. Some 4th July parties, some riots, a couple of rallies and I bet we've will have beaten them by Nov. Texas #1! Oh yeah. I'm sure it's all because we've been testing more. We need to slow down those tests so our number can look better.
On the good side, they have learned more about how to treat this in the hospitals. It's not the flu, it's not behaving like the flu. Things they'd do for a bad flu like early ventilator intervention looks like were counter productive. Steroids look better than they thought. I'm hoping additional pharma proves effective before long. Which are why the nutters that say we should all hurry up and get it to get it over with are insane. Your odds of survival are better now than they were two months ago. Hopefully they will be better two months from now than they are now.
On the bad side they are seeing young people are not as immune as they'd like to think. Their risk of outright death may be lower, but many are ending up with long term organ and neurological damage. Possibly shortened life spans. If you have kids and care about them, take this crap seriously. I can't believe people are still seriously considering packing their kids into schools come Fall. I bet that changes over the next couple of months.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: MORAY37 on July 02, 2020, 04:58:35 PM
It's just a bad cold. These things happen from time to time. Aspirin kills more people every year. It's all a MSM hysteria anyway.
You missed sarcasm-font usage class. :)
Literally the only thing that is somewhat "good news" is that the death rate is currently lagging the new case rate, although there is no clear reason as to why, yet. It may be that the current influx of cases are generally younger, or it may simply be that the timing is slightly miscalculated and that the deaths are coming.
The bad news is the surge in life-altering conditions that survivors are being diagnosed with, which is seriously concerning. It will likely become standard that surviving Covid-19 infection will become a pre-existing condition in the near future. As it is right now, if you survive Covid-19, you will be stopped from in-processing to any military MOS due to the risk of complications, per the Department of Defense.
Literally the only thing that is somewhat "good news" is that the death rate is currently lagging the new case rate, although there is no clear reason as to why, yet. It may be that the current influx of cases are generally younger, or it may simply be that the timing is slightly miscalculated and that the deaths are coming.
The bad news is the surge in life-altering conditions that survivors are being diagnosed with, which is seriously concerning. It will likely become standard that surviving Covid-19 infection will become a pre-existing condition in the near future. As it is right now, if you survive Covid-19, you will be stopped from in-processing to any military MOS due to the risk of complications, per the Department of Defense.
I've found some of my fellow citizens capacity for self-delusion awe-inspiring.
The best news I see is the resolved cases Fatality:Recovered ratio. For the longest time it was hovering around 27% which was terrifying. We are now hovering around %10 which is merely heart-breaking. Especially when "recovered" could include people with shortened life-spans, damaged organs and permanent neurological damage, or merely pulmonary cripples if they are lucky. Some may recover relatively unscathed, but they are finding people who even thought they were fine afterwards are showing extensive lung and sometimes heart damage. Some damage may take years to finally have its full effect.
If we end up with 5 mil infected before this thing is over, imaging the national health system time-bomb that represents even if we can keep most of them from ending up fatalities.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: MORAY37 on July 02, 2020, 07:31:52 PM
The worst case I recently was made aware of shed light upon the biggest issue, IMO.
A 41-year old diabetic man spent 3 months in literal isolation because his doctor said directly to him that he "can not get this virus, or it will lead to serious outcomes". So, he spent the the time from that point, a literal prisoner in his home.
Because of the loosening of restrictions, and the seeming decline in cases, he deemed it somewhat safe to attend his own mother's birthday party a couple weeks ago. Attending that same party was a younger cousin in his 20's, who had KNOWINGLY tested positive 5 days prior, but had not developed any symptoms, and basically just figured "whatever, not a big deal". Otherwise known as a "Covidiot".
I think you can figure out what happened.
The diabetic man started feeling off, and went to the doctor, and tested positive. He was admitted to hospital within 48 hours and suffered multiple organ failure within days. He died a few days ago, 24 hours after he posted his last "Gonna fight this" Facebook message.
People simply saying "meh, whatever." . If America has proven one thing in the past 5 months, it is this: We have proven we don't truly care about anyone or anything other than ourselves. And by "ourselves" I mean each individual in a literal sense; it has become abundantly obvious that Americans don't even care about the welfare of other Americans. Our fierce individuality has manifested itself as a handicap to this threat.
Some will simply dismiss it out of hand, some don't have the mental capacity to understand.... and some still think that they can't die. Some will even point to his diabetes, and disgustingly say "well there's the reason, he had a co-morbidity", like having a livable condition somehow should mark you for death today. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is coming out of it, due to a reasoned, research-backed response that dealt with what the virus needed at a basal level.... human bodies. Without bodies, any virus cannot replicate and therefore won't survive. We are about to go straight back into a full lockdown because half our population refuses to believe science, while the rest of the Western World are having celebrations for beating it.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: BoilerDown on July 03, 2020, 02:26:06 AM
The real problem is that the Buck Doesn't Stop Anywhere. The failure of leadership is getting people killed. If you (the gentle reader of this post) can't agree we need new leadership after everything that's happened, I hope you go auger yourself into a mountain somewhere.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Bruv119 on July 03, 2020, 02:28:50 AM
I did raise an eyebrow when you hogged all of the remedesvir for yourselves. :banana:
More positive news about the 2x vaccines Pfizer and the Oxford one. Hopefully Germany and the UK can make it available to all regardless of nationality, ethnicity and wealth position. :D
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Eagler on July 03, 2020, 07:23:06 AM
The real problem is that the Buck Doesn't Stop Anywhere. The failure of leadership is getting people killed. If you (the gentle reader of this post) can't agree we need new leadership after everything that's happened, I hope you go auger yourself into a mountain somewhere.
Careful...very close to political....
Any "leader" would have been caught with their pants down and the outcome would be no better
And please look around as America has been out of leaders for decades...only jokers left now.
Without a law stating wear a nask many will not.
And then who and how are you goinh to enforce it?
In America numerous lawyers are lined up waiting to fight such an order...they are all ready doing it at the local levels.
When kids have covid parties what else can you expect?
America is not self disciplined like Asia and we are the most diverse population compared to the rest of the world.
Many groups are out of anyones control these days...
Heard yesterday that the virus has muted and has become easier to catch but a weaker strain.
Sometimes it seems you don't know what to believe or why it is being stated...
Eagler
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Arlo on July 03, 2020, 09:04:28 AM
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Maverick on July 03, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
As to merchants being the enforcers. Remember their stores are private property and they can deny service and permission to be on the grounds at their discretion. TX has just announced a mandatory mask in public the other day due to the recent upsurge in cases and hospitalizations.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: Tilt on July 03, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
Now they want to make the store merchant the enforcing agent
Lawyers say that wont fly
Eagler
around here, no mask, no service. some stores will give you one upon request.
haven't really seen more than a couple of people trying to walk in without a mask and make a big deal of it. most are just politely asked to wear one by either customers or clerks.
as for people going to jail? nope, a ticket is enough. why put the people at more risk.
semp
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: RotBaron on July 03, 2020, 11:44:38 AM
I'd start with $1000 fines. The municipalities need the cash anyway. If the fine isn't paid in 10 days, it's a felony. Issue a warrant.
If anyone tries to push their way into a business unmasked, it is felony assault on top of the fine.
Let them fester in the Covid petri dish of a country jail cell for 180 days.
We have a $50 fine here for not wearing a mask. I’ve not heard of a single citation given as of yet. More importantly, not one person I have ever met would be dissuaded over a $50 fine - they’d either follow it because it’s law (EO), and/or to protect themselves and others.
I said make it $500 and start giving tickets immediately, but $1000 sounds even better.
Title: Re: Covid19 things I’m seeing & hearing
Post by: CptTrips on July 03, 2020, 11:51:43 AM