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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: jamusta on April 05, 2008, 02:00:08 PM
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In the direction of the AvA. I can no longer switch sides when need be to even numbers. Fix this please.
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There have been problems with players who switch sides to sabotage, so I doubt your complaint can be assuaged. Also, I think we're expected to pick a side and stick with it, at least for a whole tour.
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In the direction of the AvA. I can no longer switch sides when need be to even numbers. Fix this please.
You pick a side and stay there. This is not the MA. That's why the 24 hour swap out was put in place.
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I dont need anyone to remind me its not the MA. It might as well be with the hordes flying around.
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AvA IS the MA just with a limited planeset.
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AvA IS the MA just with a limited planeset.
...and more troops to take a field. Otherwise, that's about right. :noid
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no jam, it is a lot different from the MA. it's a war there are two sides, each side picks a captian and then there are objectives that must be accomplished to determine who the winner is. since I have not played on the allied side I can only comment on what the axis objectives are and then speculate on the allied objectives.
the axis objectives have typically been assigned strategic targets the must be destroyed and bases which must be captured and held.
the allied ojectives seem to be that they must stay in the ack and not die, if they lose a certain number of players then they lose the war. they have attempted to not die with a blazing red passion but alas they have not been successful.
in the MAs people come up to fight much more than the ackllied players because they are not under contractual obligation to remain in the ack.
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(text almost pretending to be about defending the AvA, at first, but then it degrades to blinderbeechin' for attention it seems, as usual)
Doesn't matter where you whine, I've seen you do it all the time, done elegantly and so sublime ... well maybe not but you type just fine. Keep it where you live, sir. And don't bring it back with you when you return. :)
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Doesn't matter where you whine, I've seen you do it all the time, done elegantly and so sublime ... well maybe not but you type just fine. Keep it where you live, sir. And don't bring it back with you when you return. :)
please do not feed the troll
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please do not feed the troll
Not even to give him a biscuit?
:rofl :rofl
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Doesn't matter where you whine, I've seen you do it all the time, done elegantly and so sublime ... well maybe not but you type just fine. Keep it where you live, sir. And don't bring it back with you when you return. :)
just cant let someone else get in a opinion other then his own. its too bad we can sew his mouth shut. then we could watch his head pop like a zit!!
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just cant let someone else get in a opinion other then his own. its too bad we can sew his mouth shut. then we could watch his head pop like a zit!!
what?
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(And now back to the issue, after that short commercial break). Jam, I appreciate your comment. You think that sides are lopsided and that interferes with the quality of play. There is quite a bit different about today's AvA from a couple of month's ago. Maybe a sticky or two for this topic on how players are expected to play in this arena would be helpful.
Now, the upside of the new setup is that the numbers are at least playable during prime time. So, even if your side is outnumbered, you can still add your contribution. I just wouldn't up too often from a vulched field without some good support from fellow countrymen. It gets real ugly real fast. And BTW, if you can wade through the sometimes unsporting conduct that you may run into, you probably will eventually find one of the many opponents who feel the same as you do and obtain what I expect you entered the arena to find (good ole fashion dogfights).
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Maybe a sticky or two for this topic on how players are expected to play in this arena would be helpful.
Ill save you the trouble.
"Ill do what I want, its my $15"
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Ill save you the trouble.
"Ill do what I want, its my $15"
Now theres a team player! :aok
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Now theres a team player! :aok
Yeah... But he has a very valid point too. why should anyone feel the need to justify, how they play the 'game' when it's their dime after all? For that matter, why even whine about how the 'game' is going? If you don't like certain aspects of something you are paying for, you have the unalienable right to quit paying for the poor service. Same goes for RL, (music, TV, foods, etc)... If you don't like something there, then don't support it, and maybe if enough people share your dislike, it will fade away to bad memory.
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What this really depends on is if you think playing for a side, or team, obliges you to follow team-play etiquette. If so, then that you payed $15 matters less than you think. There are all sorts of group activities that you can pay for that don't let you do what you want because you payed money.
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i pay $100 every 4 years for my drivers license, i still have to follow rules of the road. just because someone pays money, doesnt mean its a free-for-all.
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:rofl
i pay $100 every 4 years for my drivers license, i still have to follow rules of the road. just because someone pays money, doesnt mean its a free-for-all.
Apparently you have never driven the D.C. metro highway traffic. That's from Martinsburg, WV to Blatimore, MD to Richmond, VA :O
Play styles! There ya have it. Find a bunch of like minded players and play merrily... either here or where ever. :aok
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i pay $100 every 4 years for my drivers license, i still have to follow rules of the road. just because someone pays money, doesnt mean its a free-for-all.
Excellent point. :salute
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:roflApparently you have never driven the D.C. metro highway traffic. That's from Martinsburg, WV to Blatimore, MD to Richmond, VA :O
Play styles! There ya have it. Find a bunch of like minded players and play merrily... either here or where ever. :aok
worse, i live just outside of boston!! :) and actually, i used to live in Laurel, MD. can vividly remember traffic. Too vividly......
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:roflApparently you have never driven the D.C. metro highway traffic. That's from Martinsburg, WV to Blatimore, MD to Richmond, VA :O
Play styles! There ya have it. Find a bunch of like minded players and play merrily... either here or where ever. :aok
I have. Got nuthin' on the DFW crowd (though I'll admit, with all the Texas plates going up and down that road, as of late .... ).
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What this really depends on is if you think playing for a side, or team, obliges you to follow team-play etiquette. If so, then that you payed $15 matters less than you think.
or you and a lot of other people that think the way that you do, go and do what you want , for after all it is your FIFteen dollars that you spent.no one can tell you any different either way. :rock
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it's crap the way it is now
was on the other day and it was 19 to 3 with no one EVEN wanting to switch sides.
it's a joke - possibly worse than it ever has been
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But you stayed and helped the underdog, anyway, right? I know you, Eagler ... you actually love a challenge. :D
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its 24 hours if you switch. no one wants to wait that long.
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You can switch the first time you log in, if it's been awhile. If Eagler chose a side THEN the numbers went wonky on him .... well ....
But yeah, it's hard to yield to a request when the door's bolted.
As far as side-switching goes. I've made suggestions elsewhere. :D
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i'm not a fan of uneven numbers either. The axis were outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1 when i logged on, but couldn't change until later on in the evening. I know a lot of people are very loyal to their side, but like jamusta i have no affiliation with either side. Even though i know that upsets some people, i routinely switch sides to which ever has the lowest numbers.
I simply get little enjoyment from having overwhelming numbers, it's boring.
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But you stayed and helped the underdog, anyway, right? I know you, Eagler ... you actually love a challenge. :D
I switched to the 3 side (allied) and stayed as long as I could stomach the HOing vulching 190 gangs
the room is still best with a handful of decent pilots vs what I saw the other day .. zero skill, gangs and HOs
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or you and a lot of other people that think the way that you do, go and do what you want , for after all it is your FIFteen dollars that you spent.no one can tell you any different either way. :rock
Wow, talk about begging the question. :huh
It's a good thing that no one thinks this way about organized sports, clubs and other social groups that require a membership fee. Only on the internet... :rolleyes:
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So, from what I see here, the old AvA is dead and reserected in the form
of a mini-MA. Too bad...seems there is no use for ACM in AH any longer
and the only place worth putting any effort is from within a scenario.
And in AH, those are too short and too far between...
Although I rarely fly AH these days, I used to enjoy dropping
into the AvA from time to time. I usually always flew as "Allied"
but again, enjoyed the freedom of switching sides when conditions
dictated. Apparently THAT is no longer `an option in mini-MA.
The whole base capture mentality is just not my cup of tea but it seems
it has been so pervasive that that is all these is to AH any longer :(
=GB= ( moving on.... )
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Now theres a team player! :aok
I was quoting what you would see if you tryed to put some sort of rules up.
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I was quoting what you would see if you tryed to put some sort of rules up.
Yeah Larry, I got that. Seeing as it was in response to my suggestion of placing a couple of stickies so that folks have an understanding of what is expected when choosing this arena, I feel miffed that you think so little of our player base.
The person who takes the time to post on BBS, I assume is also able to read. I agree the rule system for BBS use Sticky has prompted a number of see rule #x posts. But a Sticky explaining the concept of what AvA play will be like, is what I meant when I said..."what is expected of them (the gamer)".
After reading Fork's latest post, I think that the expectations will be a little different, at least for a little bit. So, I guess the Sticky thing would include more than one Scenario. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,232616.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,232616.0.html)
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edit I hit the quote button, meant to modify,my bad :huh
No way to delete :O
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Well you all have your own private clubhouse now, and have even put up the "no girls allowed" sign on the door (aka no team switching) despite the fact that the AvA has always needed this very function.
Well, your private playground, you don't want others in, don't gripe when you get lonely. Oh, and if ya shoot yerself inna foot, don't complain about how it hurts, either.
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I think the AvA is just in it's awkward teenage years, it'll get better. I think right now it's the worst it's ever been so....no way to go but up! :)
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Well you all have your own private clubhouse now, and have even put up the "no girls allowed" sign on the door (aka no team switching) despite the fact that the AvA has always needed this very function.
Well, your private playground, you don't want others in, don't gripe when you get lonely. Oh, and if ya shoot yerself inna foot, don't complain about how it hurts, either.
Perhaps, Krusty, you could share with us your ideas on how to improve the arena to make it attractive - on a regular basis - to people such as yourself?
- oldman
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Well you all have your own private clubhouse now, and have even put up the "no girls allowed" sign on the door (aka no team switching) despite the fact that the AvA has always needed this very function.
Well, your private playground, you don't want others in, don't gripe when you get lonely. Oh, and if ya shoot yerself inna foot, don't complain about how it hurts, either.
I worried about that myself, but what you describe is exactly what the old AvA became. The results of the last few weeks has shown that side switching wasn't so critical to it's success after all. The arena is different now, yes, but most of it's loudest criticts have come to admit they're finding fun in the new setup.
Oldman asked what you'd change, so how would you build a viable setup for the long haul Krusty?
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I've expressed some opinions before, and have been told (in not such unkind terms, mind you) that they didn't matter.
First and formost, IMO, is the going overboard with the scenario-copying of late. The over-paranoia of sabotage and the over-restricting of free-flowing gameplay. I would switch teams whenever needed to balance them out, for example, but not now (can't!).
Overall the recent atmosphere is one of control, is stiffling.
Perhaps you don't agree, and that's fine. It's not a member of the club.
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You feel stifled and excluded from the club? Can you give something more concrete than perception to back that up or would you like to try again?
Let's you and I give something a go. I'll answer from my perch and if you wanna followup then fire back. I'll start with this one:
"First and formost, IMO, is the going overboard with the scenario-copying of late."
The problem with this being? Isn't AvA supposed to offer more than MA with a segregated and limited planeset? Isn't that the chief complaint from visiting critics no matter what the current setup/system being tried? From my experiences back when it was CT, staff has always striven toward a goal of immersiveness. Maybe it's a difference in what appeals to you versus me but I've always longed to see CT/AvA eventually evolve to something along the lines of a persistant scenario-feel arena. From discussions on this and other forums, I'm not alone. If the vision and mission of the AvA is unclear .... or interpreted differently by different individuals .... then perhaps one will be presented shortly and all can compare notes and decide if the AvA is their cup of tea or not. But it won't be due to exclusion by others. It'll be because a player does or doesn't like what the AvA really is all about.
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I always thought the initial concept of AvA was a continuous FSO. I think that's the definition of a scenario.
How to make it perfect:
1. We get the F4U. All of them.
2. They get anything with a rising sun on it
2. We get lots and lots of CVs
4. They get lots and lots of malaria infested jungle
5. We get unlimited numbers of young, buxom babes who are infinitley grateful for their liberation
6. They get beat about the head and shoulders with canes for no readily apparent reason
Any questions?
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I always thought the initial concept of AvA was a continuous FSO. I think that's the definition of a scenario.
How to make it perfect:
1. We get the F4U. All of them.
2. They get anything with a rising sun on it
2. We get lots and lots of CVs
4. They get lots and lots of malaria infested jungle
5. We get unlimited numbers of young, buxom babes who are infinitley grateful for their liberation
6. They get beat about the head and shoulders with canes for no readily apparent reason
Any questions?
works for me.
The time I've spent in there since the change I've enjoyed myself.
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LOL :aok :D
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:lol...I get a kick out of some of your responses guys :lol. Some of you get it some of you dont and some of you dont want to. There is the MA for those that want to have a free for all. In there you can furball, plan a mission, attack a quadrant, take a base, fly any ride you want, do anything you want. Be a Jap in a wildcat or be a yankee in a zeke. You can shoot over the shoulder of 10 friendly's on one con or sit on the runway and get free kills for every con that augers. In the Duelling arena you can pick your fight, make your own agreed upon rules, brag how good you are (and people will listen) or talk trash about how bad your opponent is and he too will listen. In the practice arena you can do whatever you want as long as it is practicing. Then there is our beloved AvA..Axis vs. Allied. Hmmm......using a 190 while escorting a
B-24......shooting down a JU88 with a 109. Sounds like it is no longer axis vs. Allies.....switching sides to even the numbers....hmmmm...sounds like a noble idea.....but what about the long term objectives? Don't you want to enjoy the feeling of accomplishment? Having an early war plane up against a 262? I dont know....just doesnt seem normal. The guys have set up the AvA so that those that want to "play war" get to have some fun. Heck...I am a 50 year old guy that likes to play war. If I just want to fight, off to the duelling arena...if I want to fly a zeke and then a hellcat off to the main. When I want to practice...well you get the point. Numbers lopsided? Sure it happens. Both ways. I dont go on hoping to see lopsided numbers...but I go on when my squad is on...and we fly missions with objectives. The other night when we started, we had numbers 4 to 1 in our favor. By the time we reached our target, the numbers were even. By the time our squad night ended, it was lopsided 2 to 1 the other way. Hmmmm......I wonder if that small little Japanese squadron of 5 planes on some small little island in the middle of the pacific complained that the allies had the numbers up advantage when they were taken out back in the real war. Better yet, I wonder if many missions were scrapped because intel showed that the mission would be a lopsided unfair attack seeing as the opposition will be light. I wont even get into the question of whether or not some squadron leader heard on his radio "Boss, I know you told me to supress the opposition before they get off the ground, but I dont weant to be accused of vulching".....
Come on guys.....this is now an arena that can be a blast....and it has been as the numbers show....not too many and not too little. Get into the objectives and be part of it. You will find it a different experience every time you fly. Can you say the same about the main?
On a side note....yes, this posting of mine is all over the place. I guess I am ranting....Second side note....Trukill is a heck of a commander...allied should take advantage of his skill thius ToD...finally...go ahead..punch holes in what I am saying. Pull an Obama and take my words and spin them to be used against me....bottom line...open your mind and get off the "I am right" kick and I bet you find it a heck of a good time in there.
Raptor33, 1st Lt.
~Avengers~
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I'm pretty disappointed I have to sleep at night.
Had a blast last night, stayed up way too late.
Damn that AvA!
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Look. I can care less about what set up that you guys put up. I dont care if its a free for all. I dont care if im in a furball flying a f6f v a tiger tank. I just want to have the ability to give a good fight. I say this because most of you can not or if you can will not. If what I just said angers you then you are who I am talking about. 19 v 6 is not a good fight for those 6. Sure I get mad when I am being ganged 5 v 1 but that is only when the 5 are "VETS". Once again if you are angered by this comment I'm talking about you. Give me the ability to go to whoever has the least numbers so I can attempt to give the horde a good fight. 24 hours is just plain crazy. I can settle with a time limit of a few hours but 24? COME ON
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Off numbers on sides can be frustrating, but even more frustrating was some of the tremendously juvenile behavior that was taking place when persons could swap sides at will.
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Off numbers on sides can be frustrating, but even more frustrating was some of the tremendously juvenile behavior that was taking place when persons could swap sides at will.
please elaborate for me?
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I think the AvA is just in it's awkward teenage years, it'll get better. I think right now it's the worst it's ever been so....no way to go but up! :)
I've been playing for 2 years now [took a break for a month or so, then came back]. In the time that I've been playing I have sen more players in the AvA room since they started these wars. Its far better than what it was before.
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please elaborate for me?
Browse the forum topics around the time the first war was released.
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Look. I can care less about what set up that you guys put up. I dont care if its a free for all. I dont care if im in a furball flying a f6f v a tiger tank. I just want to have the ability to give a good fight. I say this because most of you can not or if you can will not. If what I just said angers you then you are who I am talking about. 19 v 6 is not a good fight for those 6. Sure I get mad when I am being ganged 5 v 1 but that is only when the 5 are "VETS". Once again if you are angered by this comment I'm talking about you. Give me the ability to go to whoever has the least numbers so I can attempt to give the horde a good fight. 24 hours is just plain crazy. I can settle with a time limit of a few hours but 24? COME ON
It's WAR man!!! Can't switch sides in a WAR!!!
LOL
Yes the ganging is silly. What's the use of having numbers when they are so lopsided you can't get a good fight and are ganged and Hoed repeatedly or you are stuck on the side with overwhelming numbers and you are part of the unskilled horde ...
The over extended switch time and the silly medals have made the problem worse imo. If the target audience are 15 year old MA rejects, I think you have cornered the market ...
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Look. I can care less about what set up that you guys put up. I dont care if its a free for all. I dont care if im in a furball flying a f6f v a tiger tank. I just want to have the ability to give a good fight. I say this because most of you can not or if you can will not. If what I just said angers you then you are who I am talking about. 19 v 6 is not a good fight for those 6. Sure I get mad when I am being ganged 5 v 1 but that is only when the 5 are "VETS". Once again if you are angered by this comment I'm talking about you. Give me the ability to go to whoever has the least numbers so I can attempt to give the horde a good fight. 24 hours is just plain crazy. I can settle with a time limit of a few hours but 24? COME ON
Your quote does not anger me at all. It is a valid complaint if, in fact, certain gamers are using this particular arena strictly for furballing. As for the Avengers, and many other squads, it is used strictly for missions and long term objectives, as AH has recently designated it for....
Speaking for the Avengers.....we do not intentionally gang up on anyone for the sake of a kill. If there is opposition to our objective, be it one con or many, we do what is necessary to eliminate it. When escorting bombers, we will NEVER leave them unprotected to chase a lonely con....but we will dispatch 2 fighters to get rid of it if it is a perceived threat. Many times we have seen a con very low and did not allow a single fighter to give up its alt for the kill as it was not a threat to the mission. When trying to get troops into a town, we will hover over the airfield and ensure no one will interfere with out objective. Call it vulching if you want...and yes, by definition it is vulching....but by no means should it be compared to those that vulch without attempting to take a field. Sure, we can take out the fighter hangars and GV hangars....but if possible, we would like to use the field without having to wait for a rebuild. If you are looking for a fight only...and prefer a one on one, why come into an arena that is mission based when you have the duelling arena and the Main arena? Last night, we had 3 110's jumped by a large handful of cons. When two of us were dead, the third was left alone....with about 5 spits around him. No complaint here about the final gang bang on the lone 110...it is a consequence of the war.
Finally...as for uneven numbers....like I said in an earlier post....those numbers sway back and forth all night. If we attempt to stabilize them, it will be next to impossible without it being computer generated....each person that logs on is automatically assigned to the side that is one down....but that scenario will eliminate the whole idea of long term objectives and squads will be ripped apart. We have a good alternative in this arena that is not offered in any other arena....yet the complaints I am seeing (albeit valid) can easily be eliminated by flying in any other arena. Why must we worry about it in this arena?
Raptor33
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well said Raptor
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You could have squads that represent one side and always (almost always) fight for that side for the duration of a war. The Avengers is a good example. This is the war aspect, the squads stick to their side. The people not associated with the squads could switch around to balance the numbers. Call them mercenaries if you will. They balance the fight. As of now, it seems side switching for anyone is discouraged which can lead to some unbalanced play. The time restriction on switching would have to be reduced as numbers can swap during one night.
Venom
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You could have squads that represent one side and always (almost always) fight for that side for the duration of a war. The Avengers is a good example. This is the war aspect, the squads stick to their side. The people not associated with the squads could switch around to balance the numbers. Call them mercenaries if you will. They balance the fight. As of now, it seems side switching for anyone is discouraged which can lead to some unbalanced play. The time restriction on switching would have to be reduced as numbers can swap during one night.
Venom
Not a bad solution except for the fact that many times, a mission precedes a following mission or several missions....so if one leaves one side to go to the other, he already knows what our plans are for the evening .....and the whole idea of "blinding" the enemy is useless....and blinding the enemy is one of the fun "pre mission" things that we do. Like I said, the numbers go back and forth.....and many times are within 10% of being even......I willl say one thing...the arena and most of the community in it is great.....I think most of us can work this out by allowing the kinks to work themselves out as time goes on....but to make mandatory changes right now, I believe, will be a mistake...
Raptor33
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well said Raptor
Thanks
Raptor33
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24 hours is way to long. If I get on 7pm and switch to even sides and the next day I get on at 12pm and I cant switch to even sides then that leaves me with another 7 hours....Yeah that makes sense. I think 5 hours would be enough. I do not come to AvA to furball because there isnt any furballs. Come to think of it why do I show up besides to run into some good folks that flew in here 5 or 6 years ago.
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i like biscuits
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with mustard
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I've been playing for 2 years now [took a break for a month or so, then came back]. In the time that I've been playing I have sen more players in the AvA room since they started these wars. Its far better than what it was before.
More numbers equals crappier game play. AvA was a lot better place when there was only ten-fifteen people on a night.
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I hear that TK. it wasusually 1 or 2 squads vs another 1 or 2 squads. This meant small controlled fights.
Those we the good ole days of the AvA, let us pray they might come back. :pray
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And dem french fried taters
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I hear that TK. it wasusually 1 or 2 squads vs another 1 or 2 squads. This meant small controlled fights.
Those we the good ole days of the AvA, let us pray they might come back. :pray
I doubt the makers of the game want to have a room for just a few guys to duel in when the dueling arean is available. I like that they are doing something to encourage historical battles and apparently so do the others that are now showing up in there.
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More numbers equals crappier game play. AvA was a lot better place when there was only ten-fifteen people on a night.
I'm sure that 10-15 accounts is enough to pay the bills for running the AvA room. :rolleyes:
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I doubt the makers of the game want to have a room for just a few guys to duel in when the dueling arean is available. I like that they are doing something to encourage historical battles and apparently so do the others that are now showing up in there.
Have you met the EW and MW? BTW the old AvA wasnt about dueling its was about good clean fights. WTF do you think they were doing in the old setups, me163 vs hurri1s?
I'm sure that 10-15 accounts is enough to pay the bills for running the AvA room. :rolleyes:
It is where there were 800 a night in the MAs. :rolleyes:
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It was never about "good clean fights." It was about Axis vs. Allied equipment and historical terrains (though even the latter's been sacrificed quite a bit). Pretty simple, really. Then some players began to promote it to the MA crowd that it was about "good clean fights" and less gamey play than the MA (seeing some irony in you waving that banner, btw). And those who bought into it came in to see. Some saw it. Some didn't. Some stayed. More didn't. Because sometimes it happens .... sometimes it doesn't. But that's what happens when it really isn't about something we claim it is. And that's what feeds the hypocricy slap back from visiting critics.
And there's been some rather unique setups *cough* Second Wind *cough* - though I wouldn't go so far as to exaggerate them.
If it takes ramping things up to a scenario style 24/7 war to get this train back on track, I'm all for it. I always saw potential in that. From most of the feedback to date, I'm not alone. :aok :D
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So 23 vs 6 a night is "good clean fights"?
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So 23 vs 6 a night is "good clean fights"?
You're almost there. Stretch just a little further to the light of reality. :)
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How about when allies took all those fields by pas de calais 11 vs 1-2.
Every time I go in there numbers are 5-10:1.
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How about when allies took all those fields by pas de calais 11 vs 1-2.
Every time I go in there numbers are 5-10:1.
How about when you led the charge? Besides ... you're beside the point (and it's painfully obvious you don't get this). You're still expecting everyone to believe the AvA was designed to be the segregated planeset fair fight arena (and waving that rally flag from a very fragile glass castle). It wasn't. It never has been. Best it can be is a persistant scenario enviroment with settings designed to give both sides the same advantages and disadvantages. Everything else will always be dictated by the players and the community should be realistic in what to expect (and willing to help players develop the tools to deal with it other than complaining and petitioning and making childish points in and out of the arena). I know you and Storch and JG54 aren't that much a part of the interesting developments as of late and you feel resentful and left out. But if you're not a part of it, you've really nobody to blame but yourselves. No sense complaining others aren't getting things right when you're really afraid they may be. ;)
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How about when you led the charge?
When I was axis CO we were outnumbered 2-3:1 almost every night.
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I am always amazed by some of the stuff I read in here, most is quite entertaining. I have been playing AH for a long time (used to fly as HiJacker) and the CT was the place to be. Never did much posting, others much better at it than I am, but is always the best arena to play in. There has always been disagreements on how to play and what is real scenerio and vulching etc-etc-etc, but the fact of the matter is its still the best arena. We have always had players who like to kind of rub it in (Shane comes to mind of times ago, and storch nowadays) but all in all it was fun, and they were good. I agree with some that the old arena was better, 1or2 squads against a couple of others there were some great duels. We all seem to enjoy this arena, there is always gonna be things we dont like (in my case I stink and get killed alot) but hey its only a game, and if the game is not fun for you I cant understand why you would play. There it is pretty simple. So lets just play and have fun, and be nice, its really much easier.
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<S>Hijacker good to see ya.
What's your in game handle now?
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When I was axis CO we were outnumbered 2-3:1 almost every night.
*cough, cough* BS
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*cough, cough* BS
Yea you would know. I spend more time on the craper then you spend in the AvA.
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The truth comes out. Larry aka "Truekill" was really "Goaly" in disguise:
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Yea you would know. I spend more time on the craper then you spend in the AvA.
Probably shows that I have a life and have to work for a living. You should try it some time.
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Probably shows that I have a life and have to work for a living. You should try it some time.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
:rock :rofl :rock :rofl :rock :D
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Hi Bug, fly as Eldo74 now, still with VF27 still stink and die alot lol!
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<S> Good to see you you back.
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Sure turned into a long thread. My whine got lost in here some where.
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Sure turned into a long thread. My whine got lost in here some where.
How are you anyway Jam? :D
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Probably shows that I have a life and have to work for a living. You should try it some time.
Oh I do six and sometimes seven days a week. Maybe because I get paid good I dont have to work long hours I get to play more.
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just cant let someone else get in a opinion other then his own. its too bad we can sew his mouth shut. then we could watch his head pop like a zit!!
Aren't you the CO of one of the sides? I see leadership doesn't imply tact then. I am disappointed. I would have thought even a pretend position of authority would be accompanied by some form of civility, regardless of the parties involved in the purse fight. I have been interested in trying AvA, but since listening to all the drivel concerning it I won't be playing over there any time soon so there is one less dweeb to be shot down I guess, probably not much of a loss though. Have more fun guys, that is what I (evidently errroniously) thought it is supposed to be about.
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WAAA the bad men are being mean. Im not ganna pway wit u bad, bad people. Im ganna go play in the MAs were noone talks bad things and everyone are really nice to each other.
Fixed.
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Fixed.
Nice to meet you too. Hope you are well. Heard your pretty good at shooting down planes sometimes, cool. Congrats.
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Nice to meet you too. Hope you are well. Heard your pretty good at shooting down planes sometimes, cool. Congrats.
sometimes....pfff
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sometimes....pfff
Sorry, didn't mean to offend you, I thought you may have been shot down at least once, so I was trying to avoid a faulty generalization. I appologize. You would certainly blow me away anytime no doubt, so again, congrats.
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Oh I do six and sometimes seven days a week. Maybe because I get paid good I dont have to work long hours I get to play more.
Well, then, maybe you should work on the "having a life" part then. You seem to have everything revolving around this game and get bent out of shape about it alot. Shows you spend WAY to much time in game and in the forums.
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Well, then, maybe you should work on the "having a life" part then.
Snickers... At some point you'll realize we're all nerds...else we wouldn't be trying to pretend we're living in the 1940's sitting in front of computer screens, and when we're not doing that...we're in here posting about sitting in front of a computer.
For someone in this forum to tell someone else on the forum they need to get a life...is the very definition of irony.
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Snickers... At some point you'll realize we're all nerds...else we wouldn't be trying to pretend we're living in the 1940's sitting in front of computer screens, and when we're not doing that...we're in here posting about sitting in front of a computer.
For someone in this forum to tell someone else on the forum they need to get a life...is the very definition of irony.
Poping in and posting a couple of times a day and flying for an hour or two is one thing. Spending hours and hours just shows you need to get out more. I have yet to hit 24 hours spent in these new forums. How much do you and TK have?
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:uhoh I have way more than 24 hours. Then again, sometimes I leave the window open while I'm doing other stuff.
I have a FT job and still see friends and family, so it can't be that bad. :D
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He is just mad because people have a job and life but can still play AH.
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I was vaguely aquainted with a guy in warbirds who was always on flying the axis side. I was flying allied at the time in a different squad and didn't know much about him so I made assumptions to fill in the blank spots. As time went by things changed that resulted in my switching over to the axis side. I began workng and talking with this individual and later I applied for and joined his squad. It was only then that I learned that he had nerve damage in his legs and was partially imobile. He was and is a great friend. My assumptions about his life, or lack of one, almost made me look like the first 3 letters of the word.
Perhaps this alone is a good enough reason to encourage some side swapping from time to time. I'm sure a lot of you would probably sit down next to each other in a different setting and have a good conversation, even a laugh, over a beer.
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i dont believe all allieds are slimeballs, the axis has its share of slimeballs too. i think its getting to know someone that makes a difference. there are people who would say that certain members of my squad are slimeballs. by their definitions, they're probably right. but i know the guys i fly with and they are a great bunch! all of them. now some are a bit more vocal then others. some have something to say when then probably shouldnt. but thats called personality. get to know your mates, get to know the enemy. we're not all bad people. we people of different walks of life. we're doctors, lawyers, bankers, computer geeks, miners, construction workers, even invalids. the point is we're all people and should treat each other with respect.
yes there are always those people that will hide behind a name and a computer screen. we have to deal with them and there probably isnt any need for their actions. but even they can be made the object of our affections, until they get tired of us or conform.
side-switching is only bad if someone is spying. if they are truly fighting for the other side, wheres the problem. i did for awhile and had some great combats with my squaddies. i also managed to piss one of them off and apologized for it and all was forgotten. but i got to play with some of the opposite players. it was fun. again they're not all bad people, just a few bad personalities.
get to know your enemies. its not the worst thing in the world and you might learn something
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I was vaguely aquainted with a guy in warbirds who was always on flying the axis side. I was flying allied at the time in a different squad and didn't know much about him so I made assumptions to fill in the blank spots. As time went by things changed that resulted in my switching over to the axis side. I began workng and talking with this individual and later I applied for and joined his squad. It was only then that I learned that he had nerve damage in his legs and was partially imobile. He was and is a great friend. My assumptions about his life, or lack of one, almost made me look like the first 3 letters of the word.
Perhaps this alone is a good enough reason to encourage some side swapping from time to time. I'm sure a lot of you would probably sit down next to each other in a different setting and have a good conversation, even a laugh, over a beer.
we tried that during the first war ,found the best fights as Allied so we stayed allied ,well that well has dried up so to speak , so again ,at least myself personaly will not be comminting to either side for sake of balance and more importantly so i can find a fight because my enjoyment of my limited flight time is most important thing to me ;)
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group hug
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we tried that during the first war ,found the best fights as Allied so we stayed allied ,well that well has dried up so to speak , so again ,at least myself personaly will not be comminting to either side for sake of balance and more importantly so i can find a fight because my enjoyment of my limited flight time is most important thing to me ;)
thats because JG54 and JG11 was your opposition.
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group hug
Im not falling for that trick again. :uhoh
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I'm sure a lot of you would probably sit down next to each other in a different setting and have a good conversation, even a laugh, over a beer.
One of the nicest features of AvA is that it has a small enough population that you get to know each other pretty well. I think we're seeing that already with the "new" influx of people.
- oldman
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good maybe now you fellows will come up with something other than a haven for the toolshedders and ackhuggers who didn't quite hack it in the MAs.
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thats because JG54 and JG11 was your opposition.
jager why do you think i was so disappointed when they left ,it wasn't cause i missed their smashing good looks and rapier Witt, or the home brewed swill , like the JG or not they are still a quality enemy for the most part could they be a lot better sports or a little more humble ,of course but they do have some skilled pilots ,which is way more fun than clubbing baby seals ,although therein lies a quality all it's own .... :aok
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I'm the one with the smashing good looks aren't I? Oh come one...I won't tell.
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and i thought we were in this for the seal clubbing!! damn!! i know, i miss having the whole gang together at night beating the snot out of someone Allied. and trust me, ive asked them to come back a few times. they just want a break and for the time being, ill respect their wishes. i have no pull over where they decide to land and right now its the midwar arena.
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He is just mad because people have a job and life but can still play AH.
I have a job and find time to play AH as well. However I don't base my life around the game as you and some others do. An hour or two a day and a few minutes on the forum is more than enough for me, but just because you spend every free minute in game or on the forums doesn't mean you have anymore say about whats right or wrong with the game than those that don't.
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I have a job and find time to play AH as well. However I don't base my life around the game as you and some others do. An hour or two a day and a few minutes on the forum is more than enough for me, but just because you spend every free minute in game or on the forums doesn't mean you have anymore say about whats right or wrong with the game than those that don't.
sure he does. now pipe down and go to your tree fitty an hour job, quit wasting time posting on the forum.
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sure he does. now pipe down and go to your tree fitty an hour job, quit wasting time posting on the forum.
Ah yes, one of the "others".
Actually when I had my first job, minimum wage was $3.25 an hour.
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Storch are you sure you weren't Shane a few years ago? You know I like ya bro! :aok :rofl
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Ah yes, one of the "others".
Actually when I had my first job, minimum wage was $3.25 an hour.
all this time and you still don't merit a raise? vote for obama he'll help ya
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Storch are you sure you weren't Shane a few years ago? You know I like ya bro! :aok :rofl
shane is my hero, come back shane, come back
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vote for obama he'll help ya
He doesn't like me, I'm bitter and clinging to religion and guns. :cry
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desperately clings to his guns and faith
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Rocky Road effing rocks now with the almonds and all.
Edit: This is a topic of discussion. Discuss!
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Plank you dweeb when are you coming back we all miss you. :D
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all this time and you still don't merit a raise? vote for obama he'll help ya
I'll let you waste your vote on him. I'm not wasting mine on a Dem.
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I'll let you waste your vote on him. I'm not wasting mine on a Dem.
Tango from the 412th???
MUGADAI from the MUNGADAI WARRIORS
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Storch are you sure you weren't Shane a few years ago? You know I like ya bro! :aok :rofl
no, Shane backed up his smack
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no, Shane backed up his smack
ya ok 25% eagler
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ya ok 25% eagler
lol shane used to eat you and me for lunch - I did not like his smack as I find smack childish but he could fly unlike many others in here who just like to hear the sound of their lips smacking..
any plane, any loadout, anytime storch
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Me109F-4 , 100% fuel , March 17, 2045 12PM EST.....
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:rofl
We should all live that long. :aok
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Tango from the 412th???
MUGADAI from the MUNGADAI WARRIORS
Nope, been with the 78th for about 7 years now. We came over from WW2Ol after they screwed up the air war.
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actually the last fight I had with shane I beat him though I had about a 3k alt advantage. that was also the last time I ever saw him online. name a marquis player and I have beaten them, name a noob and he has beaten me, no big deal really. I have beaten you enough times as well eagler. however if you see me on and feel froggy we can leap into the DA for a few rounds. in the meantime keep upping your 25% 109F I'll still refer to you as 25% eagler.
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actually the last fight I had with shane I beat him though I had about a 3k alt advantage. that was also the last time I ever saw him online. name a marquis player and I have beaten them, name a noob and he has beaten me, no big deal really. I have beaten you enough times as well eagler. however if you see me on and feel froggy we can leap into the DA for a few rounds. in the meantime keep upping your 25% 109F I'll still refer to you as 25% eagler.
actually it is 50% with a dt, why load anymore than that in ava with its burnrate
though u have gotta better, your mouth to skill ratio is still out of sorts
any plane, any loadout, anytime I'm online ... cu then
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Eag, sorch if you guys go at it post it, there is alot of guys in here that would love to watch that fite! :salute to both of ya!
If I were only half as good Id take ya both on--Ya hooooooo! :O
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I've never beaten 25%eagler without some sort of slight advantage and he's always a good fight but then again I always up at least 75% fuel and yet somehow manage to run out of gas having to ditch. now quit sandbagging you hijacker you are every bit my equal and slightly better than 25%eagler.
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Storch under your name it say Parolee? Storch were you BAD?......... :rock
BT
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actually the last fight I had with shane I beat him though I had about a 3k alt advantage. that was also the last time I ever saw him online. name a marquis player and I have beaten them, name a noob and he has beaten me, no big deal really. I have beaten you enough times as well eagler. however if you see me on and feel froggy we can leap into the DA for a few rounds. in the meantime keep upping your 25% 109F I'll still refer to you as 25% eagler.
:rofl