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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Chalenge on July 31, 2015, 12:33:10 AM
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Windows 10 really made a mess of things. I chose one machine that had three copies of Windows 7 on it for the update. I chose one installation that was the last to have Windows installed to it (the "freshest") and allowed Windows 10 to install. All along the installer assured me that I would be perfectly safe and that I could go back to Windows 7 any time in the first 30 days. The installer worked quickly and needed almost no input. It made use of the same password I had used for the Windows 7 installation, so no problem.
The first thing I noticed about things is that the sound card quit working. Creative will have an updated driver sometime in August. Then I discovered SLI was broken, but since then an update has corrected that problem. For some reason my network card was not identified, so I had to use the copy I had burned to CD before hand. Not a problem.
Then I tried to boot into Windows 7. It refused to do that, so I used a rescue disk that I had created before hand. No problem, I can boot into Windows 7. BUT, the network card has been modified somehow and Windows 7 cannot see the network. So, I pulled out the updated Windows 7 driver for the MB (which should already be on the system). No change. Turn off the system so it boots from a zero state. No change. Reboot the router. No change. Reboot into Windows 10. Internet is on immediately.
So, before I mount the MB on the skeet thrower, anyone have another suggestion?
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I guessing I will just trash my 7 copys of windows 10?
seems logical, from your ill fated install.....which was not your intentions but Microsucks
btw... I love skeet... was on the FFA Team back in high school.......I use a Whinchester model 101 made in the early 70's
TC
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FYI once you do the upgrade on Win10 you can format and do a clean reinstall using the Win10 iso. The upgrade will save your hardware id to MS servers and your next install will go through automagically. Just make sure you DONT format the original windows 7 or 8 drive because you will need that in the future if you have to reinstall windows on a new hardware.
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Chalenge, in Windows7 have you tried these two command prompt spells: "netsh int ip reset resetlog.txt" and "netsh winsock reset catalog" (obviously, remove the quotation marks)?
Another thing I've sometimes stumbled upon is that for some reason the network card has been turned off, but your should have noticed in the device manager.
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I will give that a go, Bizman.
@TC: Longfowler side-by-side in 12-gauge and Condor Competition also in 12-gauge.
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W10 would not load on my old computer from the very start. The reason w10 gave was the onboard video processor did not support w10.
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I've found that if 10 shares files with an older OS, it tends to make a mess of these files over time. I made a point of keeping separate drivers folders for each OS and didn't really have too much trouble.
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Windows 10 acts like Norton. It is both a worm and a virus at the same time. Long live Windows 7.
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Windows 10 acts like Norton. It is both a worm and a virus at the same time. Long live Windows 7.
Windows 8 touchscreen for life!!!
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I got the network back up and running, figured out how to shutoff the new "network sharing" that pushes Windows 10, shutdown the spying operations, but . . .
Now I have to figure out how to rebuild the BCD function so Windows 7 and Windows 10 can live together.
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The ZxR has started working. For the moment I have W10 set to auto-update, so if something goes wrong. . .
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Challenge, sorry to read of your issues with the move from Win7 to Win10.
Initially, I had that error code 80240020 failure when I tried to run the normal update. The suggestion I found online to fix it (empty out C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download and try again) had no effect. So I downloaded an ISO-format copy, burned a DVD, and updated from that: Win10 updated my box with no issues.
So far, I have had only very minor issues:
I had to go back into the Device Manager and once again turn off all the "power-off" options for all my USB stuff and the NIC.
I also twiddled with the Windows Update settings to prevent grabbing updates from "PCs on my local network, and PCs on the Internet". I do not want any background network transfers running without my knowledge and outside of my control. I'm old-fashioned that way. ;)
The only application I had any issue with was the "Corsair Link" utility for my CPU heatsink/fan unit. I just had to download and install an updated version. All my other apps - including Aces High - have required no changes and worked with no problems.
I guess that I'm just lucky that my particular set of apps does not require special driver support.
(To view my - plain, vanilla - hardware spec, click the link in my signature.)
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That would have been a nightmare situation for a lot of people, Bino. Glad to hear you knew what to do. I finally created a rescue disk with Macrium Reflect and once booted into the Windows PE environment I could get the boot repaired.
I have one system on the network here that is supposed to act as a rendering server, sort of the end in the chain for pre-production workstations. It runs Linux and whether by coincidence, or design, the networking has completely failed and non of the (now) Windows 10 machines can communicate with it. I'm planning on replacing it with the new Quadro VCA soon, but so far nothing can get this thing up and running again.
Anyway, I still have WHS 2011, and one Windows 7 Ultimate machine working. Everything else is working except one machine (my gaming monster x99 system) that refuses the ZxR Windows 8 driver fix.
Yeah, Microsoft has added quite a bit of spyware to their host OS and the method of propagation for this latest version is really nasty business if you ask me. I'm going to buy into the stripped down Enterprise version just to be done with this nonsense.
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Everything else is working except one machine (my gaming monster x99 system) that refuses the ZxR Windows 8 driver fix.
I fixed this by forcing the slot for the ZxR to Gen2.
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If you want to read the marketing fluff about the update system, here is the link.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/windows-update-delivery-optimization-faq
It also tells you how to turn it off.
I found some of it funny.
If you go there and are running any other operating system than Windows 10, it will prompt you at the bottom of the page that you are not running Windows 10 and are going to die bald headed if you do not upgrade!
Well,...I might have exaggerated than last bit. :D
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If I had these issues when I first started using computers I probably would have become a field surveyor.
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If I had these issues when I first started using computers I probably would have become a field surveyor.
lol!
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If you go there and are running any other operating system than Windows 10, it will prompt you at the bottom of the page that you are not running Windows 10 and are going to die bald headed if you do not upgrade!
Well,...I might have exaggerated than last bit. :D
Are you sure that message doesn't only appear if you are reading on a version of Windows that is upgradable (ie Win 7, 8, or 8.1)? When I go there via Ubuntu it doesn't try to get me to get Windows 10.
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I have Windows 10, and it tells me that my free upgrade will be arriving soon.
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If I had these issues when I first started using computers I probably would have become a field surveyor.
Thats why I became a Paramedic I hate it when computers don't work my way
But after reading this I am wondering if I want to upgrade to 10 or wait til they fix the bugs I just reserved mine today
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I think if you want it for free you must update in the first 30 days.
The biggest problem I have with W10, is that Microsoft has changed the audio stack again.
EDIT: As of yesterday the Update path broke the ZxR Windows 8 fix, and Creative also released new drivers for the "Z," and "Zx". So, I will let you know. . .
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Here is the Win 10 FAQ: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq)
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how long does a neophyte like me, have to wait before I should go ahead with the install? As in the past with other upgrades I have relied on the wisdom and outright chest thumping available on this board to decide when to stick my toes in the water too. As I have been reading so far, wait is the definitive answer... is this looking like a long term wait or is there an event horizon that can be seen?
Am I correct in my reading so far... there will be problems for the word processor ability crowd? Guess where I fall in that category list....
Sitting back in the shadows and using the crap out of the computer savvy crowd...
NwBie
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I think if you want it for free you must update in the first 30 days.
I read the free upgrade is available for 12 months.
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I read the free upgrade is available for 12 months.
I have been in that belief, too.
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That is indeed correct, but once you install you have 30 days to decide if you want to keep W10 or return to your previous OS (according to the FAQ Bino linked to).
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how long does a neophyte like me, have to wait before I should go ahead with the install? --
It depends. If you have Windows 7, it will be supported until January 2020. Windows 8 until Jan 2023. If you're happy with either, there's no necessity to change. And although Windows 10 will be supported until 2025, I bet your current computer won't last that long. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle)
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It depends. If you have Windows 7, it will be supported until January 2020. Windows 8 until Jan 2023. If you're happy with either, there's no necessity to change. And although Windows 10 will be supported until 2025, I bet your current computer won't last that long. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle)
Fixed. :aok
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Fixed. :aok
Thanks
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I opened up 3DS Max and opened a race track scene that uses more than 16GB of memory. Windows 10 did not handle it well. It started off okay, but then W10 lost the program file-type associations, the Start Menu lost its appearance settings, and the rendering process slowed to about 10% of the initial speed. The system has 32GB, so this is a problem.
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surprised to see peeps being ms guinea pigs. I went thru this with w7, used it pre retail then got a 1st edition retail afterwards, however most hardware worked. I had to hold off on sp1 for a while tho. it borked me 1st time it tried for the update. now w7 so smooth that I could not accept the w10 upgrade offer. besides I still use only desktops, w8+ is for lappies and touch screens, none of which I use.
this thread just reminds me to wait and be patient. let others get mad at mS.
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surprised to see peeps being ms guinea pigs.
It's the magic word "free"...
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It's not really "free" when it costs you productivity.
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It's not really "free" when it costs you productivity.
That's why it was inside quotation marks.
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When are people going to figure out that free crap, is still just crap.
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That's why it was inside quotation marks.
I figured that, Biz, just spelling it out. There is an upside to W10, so once they get it sorted out it will be "okay," as long as you don't mind being spied upon. Part of our life already, really, but it shouldn't be part of Microsoft's business plan.
At least Creative finally released ZxR drivers today.
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When are people going to figure out that free crap, is still just crap.
A billion flies can't be wrong, crap must be good. Besides, this crap comes from Microsoft, whose boss is the well behaving neighborhood boy although he's a billionaire. Besides, the Government uses their products too, so that must be really good crap.
What bugs me the most is that Win10 has been launched as an important update. My customers have been surprised that their current operating systems will be supported for the next five or eight years without any need to upgrade. They seem to think it's the same thing as with XP only a year ago, this time with a backdoor.
For what I've seen and read, Win10 looks nice and smooth. Basically I have nothing against it apart of the privacy issues which I hope the European Union will take care of like they did with the browser choice. The teething troubles are something time will cure anyway.
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If you go there and are running any other operating system than Windows 10, it will prompt you at the bottom of the page that you are not running Windows 10 and are going to die bald headed if you do not upgrade!
Not much of a threat because that's what's going to happen anyway.
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Personally I always wait until first service pack get released from any Windows version.
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I can only speak to two versions. One is the Pro x64 (W10P) version, and the other is the Enterprise x64 version (W10E). W10E is a lot more stable for me, but I have heard of other complaints. The W10P version is much, much better for content creation with 3DS Max, Maya, and Mudbox (for me at least) and whether it is the extra memory or the OS itself I can break the 25 million poly limit (with 4k textures) and still hold with smooth scene rotations. With Windows 7 Ultimate x64 the poly limit was much lower. Obviously, this is not an apples to apples comparison, because of all the other programs installed, but the hardware is exactly the same.
In my case it's probably better that I didn't wait. Now that audio is working again (and following the patches that came in last night) I think all of the game breakers are fixed for me.
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Every time I get an update from MS (without fail) the SLI settings will be turned off and will need to be reactivated.
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I can't even install Windows 10, updates fail and it rolls itself back to Windows 7. Maybe I should take this as a sign and stay completely clear from Windows 10.
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I haven't even gotten the upgrade notification on my laptop so I went to see why. Evidently there's an update required but it requires me to turn on some MS sharing service. I don't want to share. That's why it's turned off in the first place.
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I finally broke down and built a new machine after I was able to get Windows 10 to act somewhat stable. I installed Windows 10 Pro x64 fresh. Without trimming any processes I have 79 background processes plus 30 Windows processes running. Without a whole lot of trying I was able to trim that down to 48. Something in there is still causing AH to minimize while I am playing, so there is something else I need to seek out. Otherwise, it seems pretty good already. So, my conclusion is along the lines of something we already know, which is to say updating in place is going to leave problems in the system. All of those updates and old hardware devices that you are not even using will probably influence the update poorly, so if you are going to try to update in place I would reinstall Windows before you do. Even better, just update in place and then install fresh on a newly wiped drive, or new hard drive.
Things that are still bugging me include the fact that all other browsers are sluggish on startup. Edge, and IE are the fastest even on fresh installs of Pale Moon, so you know somethings going on there! BitLocker. Maybe it's good, but I don't like anything that isn't easy to turn off, and so far if there is an easy way I haven't found it.
Autodesk got my 3DS Max problems sorted out on Aug 11, so no more issues there either.
Even SLI is holding at this point, so I'm going to call it all good! It only took two weeks (hehe).
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Whats that old saying? Never drive or fly the model "A" of anything?
You kiddies can work all the bugs out with the latest greatest MS boondoggle. I'll get the windows that known to mostly work and wait for the newer version they finally get right. Which based on MS history should be around Windows 14 or something
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I think Creative labs had an upgrade for windows 10. Yep just checked. Thought I had upgraded. I didn't see an upgrade for my video card.
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Windows 10 acts like Norton. It is both a worm and a virus at the same time. Long live Windows 7.
^100% correct.
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There's been so much talk about built in spyware its crazy, I have friends who say the PC got faster with 10..... I on the other hand I've seen it slow down, and this thing should run it just fine. Oh and Creative or ASUS needs a patch to fin the onboard sound for the Asus crossfire formula IV.
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There's been so much talk about built in spyware its crazy
If you read the Microsoft Privacy Statement thoroughly, you should be either scared or illiterate. The first chapter (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx#) says they collect your first and last name, email address, postal address, phone number, passwords, password hints, age, gender, country and preferred language, interests and favorites, payment data (such as a credit card number), and the security code, the features you use, the items you purchase, the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter, IP address, device identifiers, regional and language settings, data about the network, operating system, browser, contacts and relationships, location, the content of your documents, photos, music or video, the subject line and body of an email, text or other content of an instant message, audio and video recording of a video message, and audio recording and transcript of a voice message you receive or a text message you dictate, phone conversations or chat sessions with our representatives... This all is a direct quote from the first chapter.
The second chapter (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx#) is even more frightening: They'll use the data mentioned above (1) to operate their business and provide (including improving and personalizing) the services we offer, (2) to send communications, including promotional communications, and (3) to display advertising. The two first ones are fairly acceptable, but the third one includes help selecting the ads Microsoft delivers - whether on our own services or on services offered by third parties. Who are they? Do I/you want them to know all the information mentioned above?
Then again, you're right about the craziness about the hype for spyware/adware. There's so much talk about all kinds of malware lurking everywhere that people really don't know what to think or do. They either get neurotic or unconcerned about it. The first group usually behaves in a way they'll most likely never catch anything, the latter group providing a free playground for all kind of foes.
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I'm curious: what does "3) display advertising" mean in this context? Where will MS display targeted advertising? Why would an OS be displaying advertising? This kind of annoys me. I even consider the live tiles of Windows 8 (by necessity on my wife's laptop) to be advertising. I mean why on Earth is there a tile on her desktop trying to get her interested in travel to Bali when she's just trying to get her stuff done? Why do people not care about this? Do you all consider it normal and proper for an Operating System (that I'd pay for since I'm coming from XP) to display advertising? I must be strange or paranoid or something, but it just seems to me things are going in ugly directions.
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Yes, very ugly. MS is advertising upgrades to products you have installed, Xbox games, and things like that on the start meny, which now has the tiles appearance. I consider the start menu to be a place I should never have to visit. I have the shortcuts to all my production software on the taskbar and AH shortcuts on the desktop. So,. . . what ads? If they start popping up on the desktop then MS is going to get fired.
I strongly suspect that there is commercial space available for a program to defeat the spyware and change the way the OS works, altogether. Someone had done that with the W8 kernel to make it more like the Star Trek LCARS system, which is great for touch screens (though it never was completely without a keyboard). I would love to see something like that for W10 that also gets rid of the spyware.
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was a bit annoyed windows defender was set to auto run in the background but guess what it can be turned off...
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To turn off the Win 10 advertising I navigated to Settings... Privacy... General.
And then shut it all down.
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Why should I PAY for an operating system that spams me and steals all my info for the express purpose of spamming me? I'm PAYING for it, so that I DON'T get spamware. Has MS given up entirely on the corporate market? No business in the world worth 2 dimes is going to move to Windows 10.
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To turn off the Win 10 advertising I navigated to Settings... Privacy... General.
And then shut it all down.
A recent article on arstechnica.com claims that even when you turn off the settings, Windows 10 keeps sending data to MS. Now it might not be your search terms or personal data, but there is no way to know as it is encrypted.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
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A recent article on arstechnica.com claims that even when you turn off the settings, Windows 10 keeps sending data to MS. Now it might not be your search terms or personal data, but there is no way to know as it is encrypted.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
MS openly says when you install the OS that some data about your computer is sent to them. They don't say what kind or what it's specifically for, but that it will "help improve you widows experience" or something like that. If I remember, it's from doing a clean install that it says this... or rather has it as an option with certain presets. You can go through and manually control what programs have access during instillation, but I'm sure that there is some data still being sent.
For me personally, it doesn't bother me that much. I've never kept any of my personal data on the computer anyway. I've even allowed certain apps to have access to personal data (namely the search function).
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(including improving and personalizing)
God I hate this more than almost anything technology has ever delivered and I'm a marketing guy.
First of all variety is the spice of life. Why would I ever want to be continually pigeon holed into the things I already like (until I hate them) with no broader exposure to things I might like?
Second if I'm doing a search for something out of curiosity (or even need) it doesn't suddenly make that one thing the only thing I ever want to see or know about again.
Marketers took a good idea and made it stupid. Evidently they're dragging MS to their level.
Why should I PAY for an operating system that spams me and steals all my info for the express purpose of spamming me? I'm PAYING for it, so that I DON'T get spamware.
Really? It seems everyone else in this thread got it free.
It's really hard to want MS to go is with an ad sponsored business model but if they become the kings of personal information gathering they'll control the purse strings of the world.
Napoleon, meet Bill Gates (legacy).
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Another Windows 10 experience: The family had bit the bullet and everything seemed to work fine until a couple of days ago the input devices didn't work at login. Note that they both were original Asus USB devices having come with the computer some three years ago, so no compatibility issue there.
So I thought there was something in the Windows USB drivers since I could reach the EFI without issues and plugged in a PS-2 keyboard - luckily there was one combi-port for that, too! But again, no joy.
What to do? I started the computer three times, shutting it down right after the 10 logo appeared. After such violence the computer thought it would need some repairing and opened the Repair Screen. To my pleasure the input devices all worked there. I then navigated to the Troubleshoot->Advanced Options and chose to roll back to the previous system. Fine. I got stuck at the Restart screen, which stayed there about half an hour until I forced the computer to shut down. After starting it again the rollback procedure then ran through without issues.
I love Windows10, it brings me lots of money! :t
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God I hate this more than almost anything technology has ever delivered and I'm a marketing guy.
Napoleon, meet Bill Gates (legacy).
Keep in mind Google makes their big money by selling information. MS just wants a bigger piece of that cheese.
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I love Windows10, it brings me lots of money! :t
lol! Well, someone found an upside to Windows 10 after all.
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I still haven't tried it, and after this thread, I'm not going to. Building a new system this week, the only component I hadn't bought or decided on was the OS. Win7 again I guess. If/when the new DX comes out and if it's a MUST to have Win10 to use it, I'll address that issue then, but I'm not going to install a super spy ware POS if there are other options out there. I think every day there is some new nonsense being discovered, and the TOS are complete nonsense IMO. Credit card info, network passwords...wtf does Microsoft think they are?
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Really? It seems everyone else in this thread got it free.
I'm not playing MS's game. I'm not upgrading to a crappy system when Win7 is more than capable for years to come. There is no draw and there is every reason to avoid it. I pay for my OS's, and IF I ever go to Win10 it'll be paid. Especially if MS starts an annual subscription type of pay scale. If I'm using Win10, I paid for it. One way or another.
It seems the currency MS wants is no longer cold hard cash. They want YOU (but not in that Uncle Sam kinda way).