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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyro on June 13, 2005, 05:37:16 PM
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The O'club is closed pending further review. We've witnessed the complete degradation of that forum and will have to discuss what options are in the best interest of this game and company. We'll make a decision regarding the future of that forum soon. In the meantime, do not bring O'club traffic to this or other forums.
If you have any reasonable and civil suggestions, please feel free to express them in this thread.
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Whatever you decide to do Pyro, could the O-Club be archived as read only? It would be a shame to loose all of that BBS history.
Thanks,
eskimo
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If you tell us that it was because of the wacko jacko threads, we can self police that to a degree. But if it was because of the unsavory characters' posts in the aruba thread, there isn't much leverage the community can wield against the angrily stupids.
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Somehow this fails to surprise me.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Whatever you decide to do Pyro, could the O-Club be archived as read only? It would be a shame to loose all of that BBS history.
Thanks,
eskimo
that is a good idea
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I believe the OClub provides a valuable means of bringing traffic to this website which has considerable value to HTC. However, it has been run amok and would benefit from a few more moderators. How about crowning a few folks from the community with smite privileges and relieve that pressure from HTC staff?
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Originally posted by JB73
that is a good idea
Well... it would be if the search function was working properly. (or is it fixed?)
I'm not surprised... there was too much for one guy to moderate.
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oooo no I have no reason to live anymore!
I really like the O'Club, but I'm also for completely free discussions where everybody can say whatever they feel, even at the expense of some getting offended.
That's my take, but I don't think it agrees with the policies of this board.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Whatever you decide to do Pyro, could the O-Club be archived as read only? It would be a shame to loose all of that BBS history.
I'd like to second that too, I wrote up my whole 'getting my pilots license' in the O'Club, and I'd really like to grab a copy of it for my records. I think my kids might enjoy it when they get older, plus I'd really like to have it. It wasn't shakespeare, but it meant a lot to me.
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let's have the O'Club back.
the idea of setting up more mods for that area of the BB is a good one.
I'd volunteer but...no :)
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On all 5 counts...
"We" the STAFF find the whiners (including me)...
1- Posts are to be made in the relevant forum. Users are asked to read the forum descriptions before posting.
(Posting off-topic subjects in the General forum)...
GUILTY!
2- Threads should remain on topic, do not "hijack" topics.
(Deviating on subject)...
GUILTY!
3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
(Multiple duplicate thread offense)...
GUILTY!
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
(Disrespecting and just plain trolling)...
GUILTY!
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy
(Same as count 4)...
GUILTY!
(Sentencing will be held the next day or week)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I'd like to second that too, I wrote up my whole 'getting my pilots license' in the O'Club, and I'd really like to grab a copy of it for my records. I think my kids might enjoy it when they get older, plus I'd really like to have it. It wasn't shakespeare, but it meant a lot to me.
Yes, those were very good reads
As were the many BBQ ones.
Yes yes...please make readable!
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LePaul... could it be moved to your CheckSix site?
Pyro, please don't destroy it. If it can be archived, we'll find someone to take the data.
Thanks!
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how about just the aruba thread? i missed it.
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Then I guess this is good bye Pyro- I will discontinue my Aces High account and delete this site from my bookmarks. It's been nice knowing all of you, but if it's deemed by the powers that be we can't be a Community, but have to be a cash cow, then I don't want to give my money to you guys any longer.
Dale, you are so fugging off base on this one it's unbelievable. Whatever, kill your community.
Airhead, over and out.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
I'm also for completely free discussions where everybody can say whatever they feel, even at the expense of some getting offended.
I am for that too, but not as a component of the official HTC website, and not if playing babysitter takes away from the real work their staff has to do.
You want a free for all say anything website, start one up.
RIP O'Club. The demise was long overdue.
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what a shame
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Thats a tough one. HTC might be better served not supporting an O'Club forum. It was all non game-related discussion by definition anyway. Couldn't say for sure if it did a better job of creating hard feelings or building the community, though I feel richer for having read through many of the debate threads.
I was really impressed by the knowledge demostrated and high quality of many of the posts (momus and Charon esp). Quite a few very smart people here, and without the O'Club I really wouldn't have known that.
If it doesn't come back, to Laz, Toad, Nash, Gunslinger, Raider, Virgil Hilts, Steve, Wotan, and all others I've discussed things with on the board. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, ideas, and opinions. Sorry for not mentioning those names who for the moment have slipped my mind- you know who you are, though.
CYA round.
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Farewell Tribute to the O-Club Poem:
Where were you,… when the O-Club died?
Where were you,… when we all got spanked?
Do you remember when,… there were strippers among us?
Do you remember when,… Voss hit 2,000?
Whatever happened to,… all those “Caption This” threads?
Whatever happened to,… all those religious debates?
I already miss,… Ripsnort’s copy and paste.
I already miss,…Lazs and Beet1e goin at it.
It’s hard to believe,… that its already a legend.
It’s hard to believe,… that we did it in.
Farewell,… Objectionable Club.
Farewell,… I can’t believe you’re gone.
eskimo
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http://usmcsquad.com/bbs2/ (http://usmcsquad.com/bbs2/)
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"...Never was so much owed by so few to so many..."
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Originally posted by 1K3
On all 5 counts...
"We" the STAFF find the whiners...
1- Posts are to be made in the relevant forum. Users are asked to read the forum descriptions before posting.
(Posting off-topic subjects in the General forum)...
GUILTY!
2- Threads should remain on topic, do not "hijack" topics.
(Deviating on subject)...
GUILTY!
3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
(Multiple duplicate thread offense)...
GUILTY!
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
(Disrespecting and just plain trolling)...
GUILTY!
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy
(Same as count 4)...
GUILTY!
(Sentencing will be held the next day or week)
Sure hope your including yourself in count 5 and also among the condemned.
Cause thats what that post amounts to
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Well, could well have been because of the heat I got for offering up ideas on how a cross channel op "might" be done. I never said could or would be done, rather possible avenues to travel regarding such. & well, we know where that went.
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IMO, the O'club is a game away from Aces High. I mean some posters were starting *other* games around the O'club (like party poker). In my case ( and I speak for me only) it took some of my interest away from Aces High. Aces High is hard and requires work to play. The O'club just requires a lot of booze. After my melt down I started playing AH again. I forgot how fun it is, but it is still work to play. I think if you keep the o'club closed, some people might come back to AH.
Just my opinion derived from personal experience - ymmv
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huh? what? it was the Aruba thread!
Now I feel rather ashamed of having participated in that, but at the same time glad I was "there" for an event with such far reaching ramifications...
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It is just my opinion, so don't take it too close.
I have been participating in several forums for years, and I would like to tell you that you can't change the people's nature. If somebody wants to tell something he will find the way to do that.
I can remind at least two very similar cases when topics like O'club were closed. And it always ended with subjects from that topics went to other topics. If you want to have O'club subjects in the main discussion the closing of O'club is the best way to do that.
I understand why do you don't want to be responsible for all that crap which was published in O'club. One of the possible solution is to provide link from here to another server with BBS where some kind of O'club will be hosted. You will not be responsible for anything, and guys will be able to exchange their opinions about the best of the world among the worlds.
IMHO, of course.
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Originally posted by Toad
LePaul... could it be moved to your CheckSix site?
Pyro, please don't destroy it. If it can be archived, we'll find someone to take the data.
Thanks!
Unlikely, my system uses an Access database and will be upgrading to a SQL one soon.
Plus I dont want to step on any toes here. Im sure once they figure out what they want to do with the O'Club, it will reappear in some new form.
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Where will I get my daily dose of humor? Most of the opininons in there were so way out in left field, the authors had to be kidding.
Getting withdrawls already...hands shaking.........face twitching...oh Bog in heaven bring it baaaaaacckk!!!!
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LOL Sad part was I just downloaded AH yesterday, and flew in the MA last night- and now I have to cancel my account because the teasing and goading that used to be the O'Club are no longer allowed.
You guys are so wrong on this 1 it's unbelievable. I don't know if it's crank or paint huffing, but you Texicans need to get a fugging grip.
I'm at work now, I'll be home in an hour and you will get my cancellation via E-Mail. And I'm finished with you bunch of Texas dip chits, you're totally clueless and I'm tired of wasting my time with you guys.
Eat feces and die, idiots.
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Dang, I just told my wife that the O-Club has been shut down and she’s already adding things to my Honey-Do list!
eskimo
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Im a bit disappointed but not at all surprised.
Though I would have more expected it a couple months ago as I thought some of the antics then were worse then rather then now.
Lately I've found it more boring then inflaming LOL
I hope some sort of workaround can be reached because it did have its moments and I do occasionally enjoy a good debate/arguement
And I found the place even with all its BS went well with my morning cup of coffee. And it provided a nice distraction from the every day BS I get to deal with in RL.
I must say in my 20 years of communicating in this medium I have never found a place more pleasurable and infuriating (often in the same post) nor have had one I looked forward to visiting more for those specific reasons.
And like I said all in all it has/had its good points.
We got to converse, debate share in the joys, laughter and sorrows and insights to the daily lives of people from all over the world.
And speaking of daily lives might as well post the warning I as going to post there here.
My son turned 17 today and officially got his drivers licence.
Stay off the road
:eek:
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Originally posted by Airhead
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I don't know if it's crank or paint huffing, but you Texicans need to get a fugging grip.
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you bunch of Texas dip chits, you're totally clueless and I'm tired of wasting my time with you guys.
Eat feces and die, idiots.
Quoted just in case anyone wants to know why such action was taken. This is the kind of childish drivel that does not belong on the offical website of any for profit business, a parltry $15/month does NOT entitle one to behave as such.
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Blame Aruba!!!
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Originally posted by oboe
If it doesn't come back, to Laz, Toad, Nash, Gunslinger, Raider, Virgil Hilts, Steve, Wotan, and all others I've discussed things with on the board. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, ideas, and opinions. Sorry for not mentioning those names who for the moment have slipped my mind- you know who you are, though.
CYA round.
Ditto. Can even add Airhead and that russian commie to the list
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Damn....now where do I go to post my threads over the joy of the Spurs kicking the Pistons ass?
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I'd love to keep it. I'll miss it. O'Club definitely had its own personality, thats for sure. I think it provided a great outlet for that part of everyone that reaches out for contact with others, even if it did sometimes find more than expected. Families have to have a serious side, and a lighter side, to be a healty dynamic. What is a community but an extended family? What is Aces High without a community? I'm not quite so dramatic as our friend Airhead, but then isnt that part of what being a family or community is about? Accepting even the nutjobs? :)
Do as you like, I'm not going to quit or throw a hissy fit. I would like to see a way that it could stay.
Thanks
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Thanks for the forum for all these years, and for putting up with all of our crap. S! HTC!
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Invade Aruba!
sorry, could not resist.
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what do you guys miss about the o club?
for me:
1. spicy, hard substance topics
2. debating.
3. technical subjects - comparing products, military equipment, ect
4. trolling:D
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Originally posted by BTW
Aces High is hard and requires work to play. The O'club just requires a lot of booze.
You dont listen to range Vox very much do ya?
Few guys I catch regularly (whom will remain nameless) are usually so drunk I can smell the booze on their breaths through the computer LMAO
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My view:
There will always be "off topic" threads because people like to chat, kick back, BS and share things with people in their online community.
Lacking a dedicated outlet these threads will pop up in various forums regardless of HTC's warnings against it. And unless HTC quits the game business they wont hvae the time to police every forum for off topic threads.
If that starts to happend in any way people will get mad, annoyed nad a bad mood will break out. All of that is bad for business.
So basically if you keep the forums you will have to have to have an off topic forum.
Peronally I I would title this forum:
"Irrelevant Ramblings"
Give it a nice lawyer disclaimer:
The opions expressesd herin are not those of HTC and are not supported by HTC - enter at your own risk... etc...
And let it be, much less hassle that way becuse really everything said there is basically irrelevant - but somehow neccesary.
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Originally posted by Edbert
Quoted just in case anyone wants to know why such action was taken. This is the kind of childish drivel that does not belong on the offical website of any for profit business, a parltry $15/month does NOT entitle one to behave as such.
Unbunch your panties. The sad fact is you couldn't handle the O'Club because of your fiminine persuasion so you left for the much more heavily moderated General Discussion long ago.
If you wish to site me as an example of anything than site me as an example of Manliness. I can give, I can take and I can push and I can shove.
I'm a *****, I'm a lover I'm a Bulletin Board Mother Fugger.
Don't hate me for it.
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I've seen this on other BBSs:
set up a "rep" button where you can rate approval or disproval for a user's post. that way, the *******s will weed themselves out.
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Is there anyone here that DIDN'T see it coming?
Before anything is said, I accept all responsibility for what I said.
No doubt I'm guilty of several sins that helped bring about the end.
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I certainly understand the decision, probably the right business move given the lack of agressive, real time moderation (not busting on skuzzy, you can't really do it and do other things or have weekends off, etc.). Should have happend a long time ago probably - again from a business perspective not personal one. How many potential foreign players never bothered to give AH a shot at the height of "France Sucks."
There are boards with an off topic section that forbid any politics/religion etc. discussions. Nice boards but... so what. Check 6 probably serves the purpose best for all involved. Frankly though, IMO only, a lesser evil than the inability to squelch range VOX or have a permasquelch option.
Been fun. My productivity will likely increase and may even fly a bit more (except I expect Check 6 to eat into it instead).
Charon
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I believe the OClub provides a valuable means of bringing traffic to this website which has considerable value to HTC. However, it has been run amok and would benefit from a few more moderators. How about crowning a few folks from the community with smite privileges and relieve that pressure from HTC staff?
i think that it should be that way. definately. a few people who have demonstrated the ability to be moderate voices with the keys.
perhaps a new sn could be created that they all use so there wouldnt be arguements with individuals or yelps about favoritism.
needless to say, i am thoroughly disappointed.
it was like showing up at work and the doors were locked, the lights were off.
i have said in the past that one of the reasons that i have supported this company and have paid for the game is for the community, the o'club is a huge part of the community for me.
all.
88
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You gotta be kidding me?
The jerks showed their jerkness and the people who wanted to have some fun had some fun. That's what the O-club was all about. I have made friends and visited O-club aquiantences across the country. Not because of the stupid game! Because of the stupid O-club! I pay my 15 bucks and play the game and I enjoyed the comeradery and reparte' of the BBS. Limit the offering to just a simple game and it becomes less than palatable.
The community is the game!
Airhead is right on the money.
Oh wait...
shack!!!!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The jerks showed their jerkness and the people who wanted to have some fun had some fun. That's what the O-club was all about.
You just summed it up better than Pyro. It's just that you two seem to differ in oppinion as to this being a good thing or a bad thing.
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Sad. Very sad.
I've been out of the loop since the AH websight got blocked at work.
Still, HTC, understand that the O'club offered a very valuable resource. It was a great community filled with good natured, warm hearted guys.
You could pop in and for the price of typing a question, get answers on everything from RL flying, Quitting smoking, to dog grooming.
Of course, there were the idiots who did nothing but troll, and flamebait, but I have to say, even with them, this was the most mature BBS commmunity I ever saw.
Want to see a real train wreck..go to a Yahoo News Message Board.
HT, Pyro and the rest of HTC.
Please let us keep our O'club.
You created it. But we built it.
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Myyyyyyyyyyy precious....
On a serious note pyro, the OT is one of last reasons for keeping in touch with AH until ToD comes out.
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Since this is the only computer game I've ever played online, I'm curious as to whether the other flightsims have an "o forum"?
Did WB , AW and them allow the stuff that showed up in the "o club'? and what about the games today? Does WW2, Red Baron etc, have an "o forum" with the harsh stuff HTC allowed?
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I guess they looked at the demographics and decided Community means nothing...too bad, but Saturday several of us who have met because of the O'Club on Aces High got together for a bar b que and we had a great time, say whatever you want about my people skills;)
it's unfortunate Dale and Roy have lost focus on what makes a good flight sim- it's not killer graphics, it's not the best damage model but it's the Community that supports that Sim, and when you dump a portion of that Community then your Sim becomes just another sterilized combat sim where you log on, don't know your friends or enemies and log off.
Big mistake, even if your beancounters told you the people you're spitcanning are no-loads who bring nothing to the party.
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oh great, get rid of the one thing keeping me from actually doing stuff at school just before it finishes. and this does not bode well for my finals, first my gfx card borks after reinstalling direct X in an attempt to fix it, then i do something rediculously stupid, now the o'club is gone...what next?
then again its a perfect chance to try make a move with da ladies, theres only so much that can go wrong in the course of a week
bet it'll be back come fall...hitech is just doing his part to keep obesity down and outdoors summer enjoyment up
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Originally posted by JB88
i think that it should be that way. definately. a few people who have demonstrated the ability to be moderate voices with the keys.
perhaps a new sn could be created that they all use so there wouldnt be arguements with individuals or yelps about favoritism.
needless to say, i am thoroughly disappointed.
it was like showing up at work and the doors were locked, the lights were off.
i have said in the past that one of the reasons that i have supported this company and have paid for the game is for the community, the o'club is a huge part of the community for me.
all.
88
I would vote SEAGOON, Midnight Target, DREDIOCK and Laz as moderators. I never realised how much I read the O'club myself. Also I apologise for any of my contributions to the closing.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Give it a nice lawyer disclaimer:
The opions expressesd herin are not those of HTC and are not supported by HTC - enter at your own risk... etc...
you know this idea has some merit. One of our local talk radio stations plays the following
"The opinions expressed by the hosts, callers and guests are not those of New Jersey 101.5, Millenium Radio Group LLC or station advertisers."
Some of the stuff they come up with even during the daytime hours when kids would be and are listening make the O-club look like a formal English tea party hosted by ultra dainty proper victorian era old ladies.
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I'm just curious, Airhead. If its so wonderful why have you ignored "everybody but JB73" ?
I'm just kidding of course :)
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Originally posted by Airhead
If you wish to site me as an example of anything than site me as an example of Manliness.
and this from the person that for the longest time I honestly thought was a blond headed woman LMAO
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I have enjoyed the oclub since the beginning but I wont miss it.
I am surprised you guys let it run as long as it did.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I have enjoyed the oclub since the beginning but I wont miss it.
I am surprised you guys let it run as long as it did.
what he said
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I was scrolling through the forums, and I was like Huh?
Ive read and posted in the oclub for almost 5 years, some things good, some things bad.
I really dont know what to say, But Im sure HTC will figure something out. And if there is no return to the Oclub, Oh well IMO. It will give me something else to do.
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wow
I have not been posting much so I have no idea what led to this action.
Communitys are easy to kill and hard to build. People move on.
Later you spend time and money trying to get people to notice your game. Seems self defeating to me. But what do I know?
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I seriously doubt it will return in anything like its original form.
I don't think there will be volunteer moderators either. They
didn't like moderating the forum, I seriously doubt they'll want
to deal with the complaints about moderators they don't even
employ. I really don't see a way to bring it back, and I'm certainly not going to "demand" it's return, nor make any silly threats or
judgements. I honestly don't think the end of the OC will hurt
HTC, or the community. It was fun at times, it was a great time killer, and it was at times informative.
I thank HTC for hosting it, and tolerating it for as long as they did.
I thank them for being reasonable and fair. I understand their decision to close it, I'll understand if it never comes back, and I'll accept my part of the blame for its demise.
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well, this sucks. thanks to the guys who had a part in ruining a good thing.
in 5 years i havent posted one flame. i liked reading the more intelligent topics in the o'club, specifically ones regarding modern aviation and such. i can't even start to figure out how much random crap i learned just from reading in there.
its a damn shame that it came to this. i'd really like for there to be a solution that could bring the o club back. even if it meant putting up a huge 'NO FLAMING' sign and banning people on first offences.
this is a great case of a few bad apples ruining the whole bunch. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Originally posted by Airhead
LOL Sad part was I just downloaded AH yesterday, and flew in the MA last night- and now I have to cancel my account because the teasing and goading that used to be the O'Club are no longer allowed.
You guys are so wrong on this 1 it's unbelievable. I don't know if it's crank or paint huffing, but you Texicans need to get a fugging grip.
I'm at work now, I'll be home in an hour and you will get my cancellation via E-Mail. And I'm finished with you bunch of Texas dip chits, you're totally clueless and I'm tired of wasting my time with you guys.
Eat feces and die, idiots.
Good, you'll save 14.95 per month. Get hosting account and you can run your own "O'Club".
AH Forum is better off without post like yours and other resident trolls. People with so many issues should visit shrink not troll the net.
O'Club was misery for the past year or so, and HTC did the right thing getting rid off.
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I enjoyed the O'Club more then any other topic here. Mostly I like to read the stories or every once in the while take a linked poll somewhere for fun. I agree there has been some threads that were just plain retarded, but overall there have been a ton of great threads there. I myself like to read them and there are some that are pretty funny, which can cheer someone up if they are having a bad day.
I will miss having them if they do not come back.:(
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Employees of HTC can better spend their time then moderating the O’Club. If some want it to be “read only” to appraise their historic posts then do it for 6 months. After the forum stops getting hits, close it.
As for those that say it is the only reason they stay in contact with Aces High, then I say the employees of HTC can better spend their time then hosting a forum for people who don't even pay for an account.
:rolleyes:
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Simple fix.. only allow the O'Club to be used by those who have a registered account in AH and link them together.
It would fix all the morons that post under false names constantly, and would grant HTC ability to to keep repeat offenders in check. It would also encourage individuals to pay for an account.
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Originally posted by bustr
I would vote SEAGOON, Midnight Target, DREDIOCK and Laz as moderators. I never realised how much I read the O'club myself. Also I apologise for any of my contributions to the closing.
Me??
What the hell did I do?? LOL
Well thanks for the vote of confidence. Lord knows I spent enough time there.
Doubt it would ever happen but.
I'd do it if asked. I think I could do it fairly as I dont have any particular love or hate for anyone in particular. So it would be hard for anyone to make claims of me playing favorites.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Unbunch your panties. The sad fact is you couldn't handle the O'Club because of your fiminine persuasion so you left for the much more heavily moderated General Discussion long ago.
If you wish to site me as an example of anything than site me as an example of Manliness. I can give, I can take and I can push and I can shove.
I'm a *****, I'm a lover I'm a Bulletin Board Mother Fugger.
Don't hate me for it.
Perfect case in point. RIP o'club because of people like this. How about you guys just ban this dude, and bring the o'club back :D
3000+ posts, and I bet at least 2900 were degrading towards others, yet here he is... no ban, no nothin.
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It was just a matter of time.
Wont miss it!!
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Other forums are self moderated. It's clear that HTC should not be spending company time policing the forums. Select some good, fair members from the community, set rules, and then let them police.
TOAD is on quite a bit...always fair. I nominate him for one. Furball, Sandman and LePaul too.
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Such a wonderful idea! Let’s destroy what’s left of this community. Sigh. :rolleyes:
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Wow, all because of a few bad apples.
Maybe the "gotta be a current player to post " thing is the way to go.
If all the Boneheads could be civil and post without ... ahhh never mind:(
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Originally posted by crowMAW
Other forums are self moderated. It's clear that HTC should not be spending company time policing the forums. Select some good, fair members from the community, set rules, and then let them police.
TOAD is on quite a bit...always fair. I nominate him for one. Furball, Sandman and LePaul too.
we could try that and see what happens:cool:
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I agree with some of what Airhead is saying. I'll miss a lot of the people.
I often felt bad for Skuzzy though.....and I caused my share of headaches I'm sure. Too bad it has come to this though.
checksix.net will probably get a lot more action if the O'Club stays down.
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WOW, i thought i got banned for telling dirty jokes in the o'club. but i saw it coming with some people taking it way too far. it needed supermoderators like other bbs's
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Doctor, my eyes have seen the years
And the slow parade of fears without crying
Now I want to understand
I have done all that I could
To see the evil and the good without hiding
You must help me if you can
Doctor, my eyes
Tell me what is wrong
Was I unwise to leave them open for so long
Whether they allow it back or not, I just want to say thanks for those of you who made it interesting. I wont say fun. But interesting works.
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Originally posted by Vad
I can remind at least two very similar cases when topics like O'club were closed. And it always ended with subjects from that topics went to other topics. If you want to have O'club subjects in the main discussion the closing of O'club is the best way to do that.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ Lacking a dedicated outlet these threads will pop up in various forums regardless of HTC's warnings against it.
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I agree.
In fact, this is the exact reason the O'Club was started originally; there was way too much "non-game" discussion in General Discussion.
Will that happen again? Ummmmmmmmm.... use this very thread for your guide. ;)
Whatever they decide; it was a great place. BBQ, dogs, guns, cars, illness, grieving, .... oh yeah... a bit of politics and religion ;).... it was LIFE. It was a great part of this community.
It was great!
to all the participants. I enjoyed the debates and there are guys I'll never forget as a result.
But it's HT's board and he's gotta do what he's gotta do.
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I will mis the O'club quite a bit. I've met folks in this game as well as AH that are lifelong friends. That says something as I don't make close friends well at all. I have a few but they are very valued.
This forum gave me the oportunity to maintain contact with some folks who's opinions I valued and with whom I have had good contact with.
FWIW the idea about game participation kinda sounds good but remember, Airhead has (or had now) an active membership and look how he has acted in just this small thread.
HTC , Pyro and Skuzzy since you guys had the most time "moderating" this forum, thanks and I apologize if I have had a part in getting this clsed down. I respecfully ask that you reconsider it's existance.
For those who would like to manitain contact my email is valid from the forum. Please let me know. That includes Seagoon, Bodhi GTO and others. I was trying to meet folks from this BBS while I traveled around the country. I'd like to meet several more.
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RIP O Club. Now, GTFO.
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Without the community, AH is just another game. O club = community.
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Sure seems like a lot of the 'good riddance' people here are people who never posted there.
Too bad, I gotta say, this was the best online community I've been part of. I've laughed, cried, argued, and more over the past years, and it's been great. Personally, I really value the kind words and assistance from y'all when my brother was killed in the Tsunami, but we didn't know it yet. A lot of you helped my family a lot, and I really appreciated it.
Same thing for when I learned the fly. I got some great advice that helped a lot with my lessons, and I'm convinced it helped make me a better pilot.
The birth of my children, my marriage to my beautiful wife, business advice for our fledgling restaurants... it's been great.
I sure hope it comes back, but either way, I had a lot of great memories. If it's gone forever, I think the Internet is going to lose something special. As bad as things occasionally got, it's nothing compared to the wasteland that passes for conversation elsewhere.
I hope that it comes back, and I appreciate the time and effort that the fine folk at HTC put into maintaining it up to now and for even offering it in the first place. You're all good folk, and I know that whatever you decide, it'll be in the best interest of keeping the game a good, classy environment with a good community. Here's hoping that the O'Club is part of that future.
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niether do i.
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Ah the o'club will be back......................... ..
IN two weeks
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Wow. I always gave and took some heavy debates and flames in the o'club. I always assumed it was a goof, sort of like role playing. 88 and I went at it hard core some times but I did so for the spirit of the debate more than for the sake of disagreement. I can say this about a lot of folks... Oboe, MT, Dred, and other "left wing nutjobs." I misunderstood that it was really taken seriously, even when I was flame on. I missed the Aruba thread though.. dunno what the to do is about.
I'll miss the Oclub and it's spirited tete-e-tete. It was fun reading others' points of view and then trading opinions/barbs. I don't know any Nash's or Thrawns in RL. The guys always gave me pause to consider the opposite political viewpoint, even though I disagreed w/ every fiber of my large being.
I learned a lot there about what to do w/ my vette motor(thanks Virgil) and so many other things. Thanks to all those who helped me and educated me on so many subjects. Thanks to everyone who participated.
edit: I would be insincere if I didn't exclude Gscholz from my "Thanks". I disliked the guy and felt he posted almost exclusively to insult and enrage. I know this isn't PC, but it's honest.
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Didn't post much in it but read a lot, will miss it.
Any bets on Channel 200 next?
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yep steve.
yep.
but you are wrong about gsholtz.
(its understandable as you are a post democratic neo fascist bullyboy)
:D
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Well G, ya beat me soundly then. lol
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Originally posted by airbumba
Since this is the only computer game I've ever played online, I'm curious as to whether the other flightsims have an "o forum"?
Did WB , AW and them allow the stuff that showed up in the "o club'? and what about the games today? Does WW2, Red Baron etc, have an "o forum" with the harsh stuff HTC allowed?
i know AGW had a forum for a while, but i thiink it got hacked or something, people were getting trojan horses, and viruses form going there, and they shut the whole board down.
i know WWIIOOL had an oclub type thing, remember alizee? there was a 100 page thread about here there.
if anything i think the other "boards" were either not company owned / run, and there was ALOT of stuff they "got away with" in them
thats just from what i witnessed in quick browsing there
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What? you mean I can't get spanked by my many daddys on the O'club any more?
What about those who loose loved ones... Who need information on finding lost ones..
Etc. Etc..
?!
I mean remember the good things that happend?
We had a missing child reported on the O'Club and he was later found..
We lost a many WWII vets on the O'club and got to write letters to their familys or even to living WWII vets..
We shared our thoughts on Sept. 11th, our tears our anger, some of us stepped a little too far, but what of those who used the O'club for good?
Hiring someone who's job is to search the forums 15hrs a day, and closing down the O'club to read only when he's not on duty..
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lol '88.
Well G, you were misunderstood then. In truth, I was always interested in what folks from other nations thought. Mostly because I was always bewildered at the opposing views and I struggled(I have a narrow mind) to see how they came to their conclusions. If I'm guilty of pidgeon holing you, I apologize here before our O'Club peers.
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Let the O'Club stay down.
If you guys want a nice place to go that could easily replace the O'Club, CheckSix.net should cover it. LePaul and Mini-D do a great job running the place.
CheckSix (http://forums.checksix.net/forum_topics.asp?FID=17)
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I met MT and Saw through the O'Club. For those two events alone the O'Club should be closed!
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Steve, know what's real funny to me in a weird way...
GS was in my squad for a while, we got into it about politics once, and then we as a squad SQUASHED any politics being talked about in the squad.
anyway, GS and i are on complete opposite ends of the political spectrum, and some of the stuff he says infuriates me. though i dont ignore him, i just dont reply LOL
me and him have agreed to never reply to eachother with opposing views, and gte all bent out of shape because of it.
i respect him for the respect he has given me, and i respect some of what he has done in real life. i know some personal things that he hasn't posted here about his service time, and he has done things i could not do.
we value our friendship, and dont bother with the other stuff, because we both know we will never change each others mind. LOL
he's probably one of the most honest, and truthful guy in the oclub. he agreed to this, and held up his end for almost 3 years, as have i.
just a little side not that many probably didn't know.
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Disapointing, that it came to this.
I wonder if the recruiting moderators from the community can work. What criteria would be set? The mods would certainly not be popular. IIRC, Lepaul ran into many problems at check six when he was working out the standards over there.
On the other hand, I have seen community mods work great at other forums. Might be worth a try.
As for the comments that only active game accounts should be allowed on... I disagree. I played for a long time, but am not now. I liked the community, so I stuck around. Someday, I'll be back in the game getting shot down by most of you. (maybe when TOD is ready.) I'd like to stick around.
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The O'Club seems to be open....
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Originally posted by Steve
Wow. I always gave and took some heavy debates and flames in the o'club. I always assumed it was a goof, sort of like role playing. 88 and I went at it hard core some times but I did so for the spirit of the debate more than for the sake of disagreement. I can say this about a lot of folks... Oboe, MT, Dred, and other "left wing nutjobs." I misunderstood that it was really taken seriously, even when I was flame on. I missed the Aruba thread though.. dunno what the to do is about.
Me? Left wing?? :rofl
Thats ok left wingers call me right winged which puts me right around the area of the middle (common sence)
Noth'n ever taken personally here nor too seriously.
Loved the barbs and counter barbs. I took and I gave all for the sake of a good arguement. No offence ever really taken to heart.
Have enough of my own RL aggrivation to take anything here too seriously.
Got into and read some GREAT debates though
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Bummer.
I enjoyed the community.. I'll miss it. All of it. Good, bad, indiffferent.
I learned a lot.. about myself; others; what makes me tick. Tuff to have an intelligent conversation with a cat, a kid or my ex... tuffer yet to justify the hours of time I've spent in there haggling about everything from politics to religion and current events. The folks I hang with in 'RL' just don't cover the range of stereotypes found in the O'club.. Where else can I thrash out political diatribes with a real russian commie or a French frenchman?
Regardless of the hours lost, the data deep sixed forever by the closure, (I waked my old pal Hairball in there.. cripes; the guys actually had a memorial volcano flight for my gawdamned cat!) I figure it was time well spent... made good friends...
I'll miss the place.. so will my cats... since time in the O'club was time not spent punting felines that debate the quality of life by crapping in my sneakers..
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So; since this is farewell.. gents; I'll miss ya.. and I'll miss the community. Idiots and all.
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Ummmm......sort of petty in my opinion.
Put a disclaimer on it and let the good times roll.
No biggy.
Get up, grab a cup and go to the Oclub.
Have a cup or two, have some fun, then log on and fly a few.
A big part of the toatal experience that is hurting no one. If peeps don`t want to participate, so be it. They don`t have to.
Like I said, put a disclaimer on it and don`t worry about it.
Conform comrade BS down`t play well with me. Just my opinion.
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Now were in the hell am i gonna get my daily news from ???
You guys think i watch fox or cnn .. Hell no i just cruise the beloved O'club ..
Shure some guys get outta hand and need there heads checked but , its a world wide community and everyone is welcome to there point of view ..
(Figures i was at work and missed the blow out)
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Now were in the hell am i gonna get my daily news from ???
You guys think i watch fox or cnn .. Hell no i just cruise the beloved O'club ..
Funny, I'd do the same thing. If something big was going on, it'd surely show up there.
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I must tell you I am about as conservitive as Newt Gingichs house plants, But this even makes me go HUH? I really don't get why folks get so up tight about typed words, Its like when people in game or on the net use CAPS people come unhinged its flat amazing:rolleyes: If somebody is being a Tard with what they type so what, its just words it has no real impact on day to day living or dieing. I enjoyed the O-club, also found some of it annoying but life threating or life changing I think not. I must respectfully submit I think HTC over reacted in this situation, they asked for thoughts well there it is, the thoughts expressed are those of the author and not meant to represent any or all animal species thank you :D
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Dang, I feel like a kid whose puppy just got run over by a Mack truck.
The O'Club is/was a very interesting hangout. Even my most ardent foes during the most heated threads seemed like pretty good guys, just a bit misguided. I often got my news from the O'C and answers to questions that were non AH related. I understand there was too much flaming going on for HTC to spend time moderating it. You guys have more important things to do than babysit a forum. But to pull the plug seems a bit of an extreme sanction.
The idea of only REGISTERED PAYING CUSTOMERS being able to post there with some self moderation seems like an excellent solution to me, altho some of my favorite posters like Nilsen and Nash would be excluded. I feel like I've made friends with some of these guys from all over the world. To totally lose the O'Club because of a few morons would be a tragedy. Why not give us another chance with the self moderation technique. If that does not work, at least we can say that we tried.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Now were in the hell am i gonna get my daily news from ???
You guys think i watch fox or cnn .. Hell no i just cruise the beloved O'club ..
Shure some guys get outta hand and need there heads checked but , its a world wide community and everyone is welcome to there point of view ..
(Figures i was at work and missed the blow out)
That's what I did also. Never really read on into the arguements that broke out. But I will miss all the interesting stuff I read on there. Also was a good place to get questions answered. I will miss those aspects of it:(
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Monday, Monday.....can't trust that day.
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I never posted there very much, but I enjoyed watching others be goofy :D
To me, it was a fun time to visit the O Club. Like some others have suggested, just place a disclaimer as you enter and let whatever fly!! :) The OC is like 200, you dont have to go there if you don't like whats being said. Gonna miss it.
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I'll miss the O'Club. I'll miss it more than most. I'll miss the laughs, etc. Some know why it was closed and in what particular thread. They chose to be selfish and post inflammatory remarks, and ruining it for everyone else. Someone even reneged on the reason he posted "was to seem like billy bad ***". Now look at some of you? :rofl I saw this coming months ago.
Oh well, I'm sorry for posting what HAD to be posted in "The Thread".
Karaya
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Y'all think YOU feel bad?
How would you feel if, throughout 5+ years and who knows how many posts there, your very last post, evar, turns out to be: "Lazs wins."
I tell ya, someone upstairs has a sick sense of humor!
:D
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If HTC can't take the risk of keeping the OC under a lawyerese clause of liability, they could link to chk6, if chk6 doesn't mind taking charge of it. That way regulars (i.e. non-addicts) and less regulars aren't lost.
Only reason I can agree with is it being work for nothing on Skuzzy's part.
It'll be a shame if the threads aren't saved or given to Chk6 for open archiving.
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Originally posted by Nash
Y'all think YOU feel bad?
How would you feel if, throughout 5+ years and who knows how many posts there, your very last post, evar, turns out to be: "Lazs wins."
I tell ya, someone upstairs has a sick sense of humor!
:D
Ripsnort won the "Post Whoring Title".
Karaya
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Originally posted by Stringer
I met MT and Saw through the O'Club. For those two events alone the O'Club should be closed!
So... is it true what they say about MT? :D
You had all better get used to seeing these now:
(http://www.exzooberance.com/animal%20pictures/african%20birds%2001/Red%20Bishop%20Bird%20268049.jpg)
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LOL...WOW...8 closed topics on page one about the O'Club. That's got to be a record....LOL...I didn't visit it much so it won't effect me. To me you guys just need to open a new O'Club on a different site. Seen several guys offering it. Checksix.net and a couple others. Problem solved IMO. i am sure someone that doesn't agree with HT on his decision will have some arguement about going elsewhere and that's OK. But sitting here getting all bent over something the managment has decided on, probably won't change it. If I used it alot I probably would be a little upset, but there are different options out there you all can utilize. Well hope you all get yourselves an O'Club somewhere. Good Luck!!
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Bring Back the O
(please)
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This was sad news to wake up too.
Can't really blame them for closing it, but its still a shame. Gotten to know a few nice people there and even a few evil once :D, but nothing lasts forever.
HTC and users.
:)
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Originally posted by Pyro
We've witnessed the complete degradation of that forum and will have to discuss what options are in the best interest of this game and company.
The entire O'Club forum degragated? I don't see that at all. I see a thread or two ( really just a couple people) that became problems at the most.
No need to get all emotional about it. If you don't want the O'Club, so be it. But to say that it "completely" imploded is a vast overstatement.
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i sure am going to miss nuke's late night drinking episodes.
:aok
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Without the community, AH is just another game. O club = community.
The O'Club had ceased to be a "community" a long time ago. I long since stopped reading or posting in it because I didn't need the dogpile of venom directed at me that I was getting.
If people could have manged to be reasonable it would have been one thing, but too many choose to be frothing barbarians when the cloak of anonymity granted by the internet descends over them.
I enjoyed the O'Club when I first came here, but things turned a bit sour for me after Nov., 2000 and then tanked rapidly after Sept. 11, 2001. The stress of those events seemed, to me, to be taken as permission to take the gloves off of civility.
What I am saying is harsh, but it is what I saw. A bunch of grown men who wanted to act like hormone driven teenages in the locker room. To me it cast a shadow on the game due to what the "community" resource had become.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
The folks I hang with in 'RL' just don't cover the range of stereotypes found in the O'club.. Where else can I thrash out political diatribes with a real russian commie or a French frenchman?
ditto
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I cant remember the last time i was flying online (maybe 1-2 hours in the last 3 months) but I do check the O club daily. Its the link that keeps me coming back, its humor, its fun, its not PC, its the daily dweeb soap with bizarre stereotype characters (some of you guys are really good!) and it will be a big loss if you keep it closed.
Perfectly understandable why, but.. no O club anymore? ouch..
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oh dang, this bbs is like some soap opera
and now the oclub is like gone, that sucks
damaruba dammit to hell. I am in favor of nuking it now
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Originally posted by airbumba
Since this is the only computer game I've ever played online, I'm curious as to whether the other flightsims have an "o forum"?
Did WB , AW and them allow the stuff that showed up in the "o club'? and what about the games today? Does WW2, Red Baron etc, have an "o forum" with the harsh stuff HTC allowed?
IL2 doesn't and is very strict on topics allowed....
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the o'club was a place where you could slander and kid each other in good fun. I hope it wasn't personal attacks that closed it, as most of those IMHO were tongue in cheek. If someone was crossing the line w/ the content of the posts, well, then that's just a pity. I know that I for one have had some great debates in there, and a personal attack or 3. (sigh) good times......
I can't count how many hours I have spent reading those threads. Lota good info/debate/insight was found in that forum.
Hope HT brings it back soon.
O'Club peoples.
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It's sad because it looks like a knee-jerk reaction to a running thread.
If, as I think, HTC was planning to adapt or even drop the O'Club, it would have been better to inform the community beforehand and even ask for input/ideas.
i.e., I like the idea of supermoderators among the community.
Without OC, it won't be long for GD to be the next moderator nightmare...
I'll miss the OC.
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If I was made supermoderator yall would really hate me.. id give timeouts left and right.
:cool:
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If I was made supermoderator Id abuse the power vested in me for petty favors and to get in chicks pants
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Originally posted by Pooh21
If I was made supermoderator Id abuse the power vested in me for petty favors and to get in chicks pants
You wouldnt know what to look for when you got there. They dont have what you are used to finding :p
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We may not have the O'Club anymore, but at least we have the O'Thread! :D
Compressing all the vast quantity of trolls, jokes, pics, and blabber of the O'Club in this thread may make it reach critical mass and implode into a massive Black O'le!
Daniel
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Originally posted by Nilsen
You wouldnt know what to look for when you got there. They dont have what you are used to finding :p
i still remember that stuka mish we flew together, after we blew the vh up I landed looking for some sheep, I can still hear your gunners screams when I close my eyes though..:eek:
:p :p
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well, we should at least be comforted by the fact that we have formed a sort of an o'club refugee camp here in the GD area.
but still, it feels much like a ghetto.
its not the same.
it felt like a knee jerk reaction to me. a powerplay. i just dont feel that most of us deserve that kind of treatment. ban people who cause trouble, fine. in fact that is suggestion #1. have a banning scale. 1st offense, off for a week. 2nd a month. third. sianara.
you could even have a temporary closure for a day when it gets out of hand with a note that says so...but to just pull the plug?
i can understand HTC's desire to maintain order, but my first instinct was that it was
just somebody having a bad day and it got taken out on us. granted, we all have them, so i cant be too hard on it really can i?
i just think that many of us feel a bit let down by the lack of notice and the noninclusion of the community in the decision. you have no problem letting us do skins and sounds and maps for you...
hitech, skuzzy, pyro et al....i cannot stress to you enough how much these little spats and contacts and notes and discussions and general comradery have added to my daily life.
that you would take it away in such a way leaves me cold and i hate to admit it but i am taking it all a bit personally. granted, i was not present for any of the threads that took place that may have caused this (today) so i cannot be sure that it really wasnt warranted...but somehow i think it could have been handled differently.
i know that my 15 bucks isnt much, but i am probably going to close out my account at the end of this tour. not out of spite, but because as a consumer i will only be getting half of the value of my dollar.
i dont fly that much these days anyway. much less than i did, i will probably miss my friends more than i would miss the game.
if the oclub returns in another form before then, well, by golly ill be glad to shell my dollars your way and follow the rules to a reasonable degree.
the supermoderator idea is a good one, but it has been kicked around before so its not like you didnt have ideas heading your way or the means at your disposal to find an alternate solution.
id say that you should try that.
but please remember...
we are not the enemy. we are your customer base.
good people. the lot of us.
respectfully,
88
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Originally posted by Pooh21
i still remember that stuka mish we flew together, after we blew the vh up I landed looking for some sheep, I can still hear your gunners screams when I close my eyes though..:eek:
:p :p
you have a filthy imagination pooh :o
i like it. :p
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In memoriam, I present:
The Top ten amazing things I learnt from the O Club
1. That Taiwan was a bastion of freedom for over 50 years after 1949 despite spending most of that time under martial law with no elections and no political parties allowed.
2. That Europe has a single homogenous culture with no real ethnic or racial tensions, despite the war that AH simulates or the one right before that suggesting otherwise.
3. That pollution produced by a country has no correlation to the number of people that country has, and it would just be arguing semantics to think so.
4. That there are American servicemen prepared to fight and die to keep communist China safe from her enemies.
5. That Iraq's WMDs all got moved to Syria, a country with such close ties to Iraq that they had severed all diplomatic relations since 1982.
6. That it was Saddam's mismanagement of the Iraqi infrastructure that he built that caused the problems: the bombing of most of Iraq's infrastructure and sanctions preventing the sale of replacement parts had no effect on it at all.
7. That it was Hong Kong's democracy under British colonial rule that lead to its economic success. A truly revolutionary type of democracy, too: one unfettered with all that tedious mucking about with political parties or having to vote.
8. That John Meredith, CEO of HPH is in fact a nefarious agent of the PLA, despite his British, caucasian and outrageously capitalist exterior, and that he had captured the Panama Canal for them to further communism. [When I asked their PR officer about this and gave him the link, I knew he was hiding something by the way he laughed hysterically.]
9. That there really are people who will go out of their way to argue that they are totally unevolved life forms.
10. Many if not most right-wing pro-war pro-establishment Americans worship and try to emulate a pinko socialist liberal peacenik anti-establishment hippy. I suspect that this may be the chief reason they seem to be so angry about things.
I shall miss finding out stuff like this. :(
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dead you need to stop sniffin glue its bad for yer thinker
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Originally posted by Pooh21
dead you need to stop sniffin glue its bad for yer thinker
Never did see the attraction in glue sniffing. I tried it once: didn't get high, but my nostrils stuck together.
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some of you really worry me if the closing of an internet bulletin board moves you to post as if you have lost a sibling....get a life
Airhead, if your posts in this thread are for real, which I assume they are as you have made similar psycho posts at check6, you sir need professional help - I hope you find it - soon
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well yeah the closing of this intardnet bbs affects me. If I was a girl I'd cry, but if I was a girl I wouldnt be posting here Id be in front of a mirror all day playing with my boobies.
oh damn I need a walk on the beach
you bastards you blew it up!
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GOOD, however it means the crap is going to come here...... thats not a GOOD thing:o
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So, I am getting my basement done and have the flight gear put away. I still have the account open as it has been since the day we had to start paying.
In the interim all I can do is read the boards. If a topic is out of hand 99.9 percent of the time I ignore it. I would like HTC to know that I too am in favor of having the o'club back.
Don't waste time having an employee of yours moderate it. Give mod powers to several responsible players who post regularily. Another good idea that your competitor (ww2online) does is require a subscription to post.
What better way to get rid of half of the O'Club than to require they pay a monthly fee. Make the fee for the O'Club the same as the game. And of course the rules are clearly posted so that if they try the 'I pay for this and can do what I want' crap, you can ban them and keep their money
So, start charging, get some mods and re-open the O'club please....
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Originally posted by Nash
Y'all think YOU feel bad?
How would you feel if, throughout 5+ years and who knows how many posts there, your very last post, evar, turns out to be: "Lazs wins."
I tell ya, someone upstairs has a sick sense of humor!
:D
The Horror
The Horror
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Originally posted by Nilsen
This was sad news to wake up too.
Can't really blame them for closing it, but its still a shame. Gotten to know a few nice people there and even a few evil once :D, but nothing lasts forever.
HTC and users.
:)
Gotta say Nilsen,
You always seemed like the kind of guy one could sit down and have a few dozen beers with and just know one would end up pissing their pants from laughter.
to the most used and abused face in AH
You take a joke very well.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Gotta say Nilsen,
You always seemed like the kind of guy one could sit down and have a few dozen beers with and just know one would end up pissing their pants from laughter.
to the most used and abused face in AH
You take a joke very well.
ditto drediock :)
As long as you keep the piss in your own pants and dont spray me then who knows, maybe some day i'll jump the pond and buy you a beer.
Some day at a convention yall will here a racket at the door and some screems from the chicks in the lobby. If that ever happens you know a drunk norwegian viking is fighting security to get in. ;)
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In my experience a permanent shutdown of a "out of topic" forum hurts the entire community and the entire forum.
By forbidding a "out of topic" forum one forbidds out of topic discussions on the entire forums. This causes a problem because the communit is more then just flying. Suddenly you will see "Happy Birthday" posts in the general discussions where they really dont belong and a line has to be drawn what is out of topic and what isnt.
Drawing that line too tight will cause a huge uproar in the community while too loose will cause the forum in question to loose its focus and hence degenerate.
Personally I do think out of topic forums are needed but they should be moderated. This way the on topic forums will stay on topic and there will be swinging room for out of topic discussions but its possible to keep it in check.
The problem is time and resources for the moderation. Nothing is worse then inconsistent moderation. If the moderator doesnt spend enough time moderating the posters wount know what is a acceptable level.
Knid of like a inconsistent ref in a hockey game. If the players dont know what rules apply because they fluctuate the game always turns into a brawl.
Using community members as moderators can be tricky as well because the risk is imminent that they will play favorites with their friends and squadies. Plus that if community members are to moderate you will need at least 4-5 of them so that the moderation level can be constantly high. This causes another problem which is that each moderator will possibly set his own standard.
THough I still recommend that you select community members that do moderator work in the o'club but give them directives which they must comply to. But please dont do it the way many complanies do "Its not allowed to say " but instead do it based on content.
Purely moderation based on usage of words is totally meaning less as its possible to insult someone to the point of suicide with use of biblically clean and well formulated english. While at the other hand saying pooop in a post can be totally harmless. Ofcourse rude language and flames often go hand in hand but still the root problem is always the content of the post not the words.
Tex
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In the 5 years of posting in here I've grown close to many in the O'Club Community.
It came to realization when I lost my Brother, the O'Club Community helped me keep it together. When I fractured my back last July the O'Club Community helped me bare the pain.
And just recently the death of my Niece, the O'Club Community has helped not only myself but also my Sister-in-Law.
Learned alot, laughed until I was in tears, prayed for others Family members whom I never met but felt as tho they were Family.
Dale, Doug and Roy please don't kill the O'Club Community. The idea of having a few of us as Moderators sounds good.
Mac
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Community moderators should be elected by the BBS community. Of course HTC could reject anyone who is elected. This will take the perceived accountability off of HTC. Appointing mods will most likely come back to bite you.
The closing of the O-Club is a huge loss to our community, and will indirectly lower your customer base by at least a tad. You need the O-Club, we need the O-Club, let us police it.
eskimo (not a Skuzzy-wanna-be)
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In the meantime I'm at a bar stool over at 6Gun's place.
http://www.usmcsquad.com/bbs2/ (http://www.usmcsquad.com/bbs2/)
No different than having a favorite bar close and finding a new place to hang out. I see eskimo's been there.
Give HTC time to decide whatever it is they're gonna do. Took me less than 5 minutes to activate an account at 6Gun's. The camo wallpaper is cool. Makes me feel like a hardprettythang already.
Thanks 6Gun for going to the trouble to set it up.
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LOL, have any of you guys gone back over and looked at the O'Club? Its been open for a while now.
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Originally posted by Grits
LOL, have any of you guys gone back over and looked at the O'Club? Its been open for a while now.
You did not get anyone with the first cast so you throw the stinky bait back in?
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That's a shame, I've had some good discussions in there over the years. But it is not the place it was back in 2000, and neither is the crowd to a large extent.
Vulcan summed it up quite well - I was only hanging around for ToD.
all
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Man.. You mean I could have been contributing to the debilitation of the O'club's final days?? lol Damn the things you miss out on.. lol
lol Hope the OC comes back but I am happy I had no part in it's demise.. lol
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Sometimes I just dont understand the logic at HTC.
Shut down what is probably the biggest draw to your site? For what?
Off topic is off topic. Add a disclaimer to the top of it, restrict read access to registered members and be done with it.
If you chaps honestly think that all of our garbage wont filter out into GD in one form or another youre off your collective rocker. Just wait until the first thread pops up, examining the benifits of boobies when compared to 500 lbs eggs.
OT forums are created so that the juvenile delinquents (us) can verbally abuse eachother and laugh like semi-retarded school children whilst never bothering the lads posting in the 500th "Bring the B29 to AH!" thread.
Give us back our sandbox or we're gonna start walking in the house with our shoes on, damnit!
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w00t! page 4 pwnage!!!11111
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(See, I told you)
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Originally posted by straffo
ditto
Sorry about the 190 run, I'm no "Carl Lewis". Had a great time in MA tonight. Dragging you and SAds to your deaths was a riot.
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So you ran from them untill they died ?
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Your handle is "ck1212" on the main ?
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Yes. Well, I ran after a ping or 2 until they were so mad they wouldn't leave me alone, and then they got pounced and were still so mad they wouldn't fight, they just kept on and were then killed. It was terrific.
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Yes, I told you that on 200. Took me forever to finger out that channel stuff.
In the old days you could just talk on a open channel, I'm learning. And admit it, it was fun Straf.
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Ok... I posted there as much or more than anyone but... Before you read farther let me say that I NEVER seen anything in the oclub that offended me... No one in the oclub ever offended me soooo... For a lot of you hand wringing little girls that ran to the moderators crying... My opinion won't sit well with you... I doubt it ever did.
nash... I told ya.. just agree with everything I say because... in the end you will anyway so why go through all the agony of fighting it...
Like a lot of guys here... I got my news from the Oclub... both prejudiced sides of every topic and some fence sitting ones. I met a lot of guys there... went shooting with one last weekend. Knew I could get an answer to any question I ever asked there... not just one but a dozen or more... Drink my morning coffee with the o and eat lunch with it. Best damn forum I ever seen... even the boring stuff was less boring than the nightly news.
I have allways had an account. I used to play many hours but have all but stopped for one reason or another.. In the past...I used to have a lot of fun in the general forum but... at a con HT and I were talking and he told me that I was allways "skirting the edge" making the hyper sensitive "guys" cry... that sort of thing.
Moved to the oclub. never looked back. kept my account and left the "sensitive" guys alone in general... if they came to the oclub... well... what did they expect?
Great community I thought. In all the years I never got offended and never felt the need to put anyone on ignore. I was banned one time in all those years. Only know of one person who ever put me on ignore. Man... it was a lot of fun and it was a lot of info. Nothing else like it... But then I guess they used to say that about Deadwood and Tombstone.... Too bad those have been sissified too.
It feels about the same as if California were to pass a handgun ban.. Lot of people who never shot handguns and/or were afraid of em will be relieved... some will just grin and bear it and others will move on to wilder more open spaces where they don't have to fit so well.
As you can see... the suggestion that I be a moderator is not one of the better ones. email to lazs the moderator.... "lazs.. the mean men are making me feel less than with all their insensitive comments about me (or my country or dog or whatever)" my reply.. "quit being a baby and give it back to em sissy boy... what are you some kind of a socialist?"
Well.... I had fun. hope you guys did too. I had some great laughs. learned a lot and met some neat people... Pretty darn good for a BB.. Too good I guess.
lazs
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You're perhaps not Fat.
You're perhaps not Drunk
But sure you are a B* :D
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Sometimes I just dont understand the logic at HTC.
Shut down what is probably the biggest draw to your site? For what?
Off topic is off topic. Add a disclaimer to the top of it, restrict read access to registered members and be done with it.
If you chaps honestly think that all of our garbage wont filter out into GD in one form or another youre off your collective rocker. Just wait until the first thread pops up, examining the benifits of boobies when compared to 500 lbs eggs.
OT forums are created so that the juvenile delinquents (us) can verbally abuse eachother and laugh like semi-retarded school children whilst never bothering the lads posting in the 500th "Bring the B29 to AH!" thread.
Give us back our sandbox or we're gonna start walking in the house with our shoes on, damnit!
oh dammit tequila in the nasel passages burns!!!
this is such an eloquent post
Saur hits it on the nose
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Was a good couple of fights Straffo, but it's the MA. Bottom line is landing, or it would be the DA. I enjoyed it, I bet you did too. Got my $15 in one nights session. :0)
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Sure :)
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straffo is a frenchman who rams friendlys
all I have to say
:D
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Now where is SAds? He's in the thick of the late night scraps, wonder what his BBS handle is.
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Creamo - take it to the General Forum, will ya?
oh wait...
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was anyone ever forced to read the oclub? you younger guys... did your teachers make it a mandatory homework thing or what?
lazs
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no idea
but I was born in late 1978 you are all geezers
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Well there is always bigweek, one of the original hangouts of dweebs like us.
I wonder if Tilt would kill me if I posted the link to bigweek LOL.
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Since I don't have broadband at home I can no longer play online games so all I have is the interaction with you yahoos in the OT.
If it stays gone then I will have no choice but to go away and be a pathetic loser somewhere else.
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Just go to the Checksix forums Mighty. It's basically the O'Club, and will be moreso if everyone joins. Not a big deal unless the bandwidth gets mauled.
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Well
For what its worth I think it a shame. If I had a role in it I apologise , though if I'm honest I can't realy see that some of the very tounge in cheek stuff I posted and some of the slightly controversial stuff was in any way any worse than what others posted. I read some real off the wall and at times pretty harsh stuff in there but it was always entertaining and sometimes interesting . I guess that I got barred more for being an " annoying Englishman" than anything else. Can't help that its what I am I guess ;):D Anyhow sorry bout that. I guess I might have to take my annoying English pounds to another game if it keeps happening!
Oh well Pity it had to go but all good things must come to an end.
I will miss the endless Gun threads, debating exactly what makes a Biker and just why Bush is an Idiot and England is such a great place! All good fun, and hopefully taken with plenty of salt. I'll miss you interesting folks too. Pity but there ya go.
Now where's my winnebago!?
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Didn't someone once have a theory that there was a direct correlation between the O'Club getting crappy and the length of time between AH version releases?
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Originally posted by Edbert
You did not get anyone with the first cast so you throw the stinky bait back in?
He might be telling the truth. They've made mistakes with user accounts before. A few years ago, I got banned. Found that I couldn't post anything, but the entire BBS was open to me. Hidden forums, squad forums, all of it.
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do away with it.
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Well this sucks. There's only 2 places I really bothered to keep up on current events with, news.google & the o'club. I'd enjoyed getting different perspectives on well... any topic from a mixed bag of foaming at the mouth good ol' boys, arrogant socialists, various sociopaths, gun nuts, anti-gun nuts, anti-kitchen knife nuts, and f-16 flying cia agents. No anchorman reading a teleprompter can hold a candle to that. You can't buy that kind of entertainment.
That, and any question I ever asked had an answer. There's no way I would be playing with a gps enabled oopic if it weren't for this forum.
Oh well, nothing lasts forever.
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I'll just post all the stupid off topic stuff in the GD area then.
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And the wheel turns full circle.
Any old farts might remember AGW -- well, it's still on the go (at least the Off Topic section is).
If the O Club IS to remain dead, then might I sugest http://agw.bombs-away.net as an alternative?
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Originally posted by Pyro
The O'club is closed pending further review. We've witnessed the complete degradation of that forum and will have to discuss what options are in the best interest of this game and company. We'll make a decision regarding the future of that forum soon. In the meantime, do not bring O'club traffic to this or other forums.
If you have any reasonable and civil suggestions, please feel free to express them in this thread.
Guys c'mon, He's trying to get our help in salvaging the OC, but what I've seen mostly in this thread are flames. So far, the best suggestion I've seen is the one about archiving the old OC material so we don't lose everything.
In my opinion, this community is like a party: when a "guest" gets too far out of line a good host steps in and addresses the situation with whatever action is appropriate. That action should be made known to the party-goers ahead of time, such as it is in here. So, simply-put: HT, enforce the rules and the whiners be-damned. This is your house, after all. To those who find this too irksome, I say stay out of the BBS if it bothers you that much. But if you do come in, act nice (sort of).
Having said all that, however, I can see where it's an impossible task for one person to monitor this board, or even one forum, when it gets inundated with inappropriate material as it apparently did yesterday evening.
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I didn't say the O'club was being shut down permanently, I said it was shut down while we decide what to do about it. I opened up this topic soliciting for suggestions to make it work and ironically, the strongest arguments for just keeping it closed are being presented by those who think they're making the opposite point. On the positive side, community moderation has been suggested and we're open to that idea, but I think that's only a piece of it.
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Originally posted by Pyro
I didn't say the O'club was being shut down permanently, I said it was shut down while we decide what to do about it. I opened up this topic soliciting for suggestions to make it work and ironically, the strongest arguments for just keeping it closed are being presented by those who think they're making the opposite point. On the positive side, community moderation has been suggested and we're open to that idea, but I think that's only a piece of it.
Community moderators should be elected by the BBS community. Of course HTC could reject anyone who is elected. This will take the perceived accountability off of HTC. Appointing mods will most likely come back to bite you.
The closing of the O-Club is a huge loss to our community, and will indirectly lower your customer base by at least a tad. You need the O-Club, we need the O-Club, let us police it.
eskimo
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I think the best reason for keeping it open is to provide a place for all the off topic posts.
As far as coming down of people here for being immature or rude or whatever I found over time the O Club had a way of ignoring or driving away people who were really out to lunch regarding what is acceptable.
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Thanks Pyro. I'll check back in a few days to see if there's been any progress.
Thanks fer the party.. longest running toga bash in history. Sorry we crapped on the floor.
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i am sure many will laugh, but i'll offer to be a moderator. i know i have not been the billboard of moral stature or control always, but i know when someone is being inflamatory and needs to calm down.
oh well, the offer is on the table
another idea....
place the o'club in a totally different location, like it's onw whole forum.
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Well the O'club needed an electrochock anyway.
Who is this Mr Hat guy ?
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OMG !1!1!!!! HAHAHAHAH :rofl
I think you'd do good JB, dont think I seen you lose it once in there.
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Nothing wrong with moderating the forum. But at risk of getting dumped again. There is something wrong if you allow some people a very long rope to slander inflame incite and use foul insulting language and yet you barr others with no explanation. Sadly I think the forum was being moderated by a vocal few who could say almost what they liked because it fitted with the moderators view whilst others were virtualy hounded off .
Enough. I'm in danger of griping too much. Moderate by all means but moderate fairly and impartialy. And most of all make the OC a forum for people who actualy have an Aces High Membership Account. Its real annoying to be told to "****" off by people who probably don't even play the game or pay for the privelidge to be on the board. Should be easily checkable not by the handle they use but by the email address or other stuff.
all
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Yeah, someone with an ignore list that has it on display to show everyone the people's posts he can't read because he is incapable of just skipping the post should be a moderator.
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lazs,
That's all fine and dandy. Nothing I ever saw you post offended me either, but you're not at all whom I would hold up as a problem example. We disagree on a lot of things, but I like you and your posts were amusing in most cases, and educational in others.
Too much the O'Club was used to attack others rather than to talk about whatever people felt like talking about. There should not be a forum wherein it is just fine and dandy to attack the other posters, I don't mean their ideas, I mean the posters themselves. That is a blunt ad homme attack and conveys a "community" full of vitrol and loathing for its own members. That is why I stopped reading and went to a site that was more mature in it's conduct. I did miss some of the posters here though.
I would like the O'Club to return, but I would also like to see the community be more mature and adult in its conduct towards members of the community. Ad homme attacks and strawman arguments are not effective ways to convey ideas or to build a community. In particular a diverse community as is going to be found in a game's forum with an international subscriber base needs to be inclusive rather than exclusive. That doesn't mean that serious subjects can't be discussed, but it does mean that the discussion should be about the subject and not ad hommes about the members involved, nor should it be about tearing apart made up extremist postions that the members never advanced.
I do hope this can be resolved in the communities favor and bring the O'Club back.
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MiniPeePee has done a good job over at c6, hell... he even banned me once :)
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#1. Put a disclaimer at the top of the forum.
#2. Turn off the moderator notification so you guys aren't hassled when people get their panties in a wad.
#3. NO moderators, they can't help but project their own perspective into discussion, (or lack thereof) and you end up with a stilted and boring forum.
#4. Delete the list of banned persons and allow the free exchange of thoughts and ideas, flames and all, a diverse community is a healthy community, and a MUCH more interesting one. ;)
AGW is unmoderated and at times gets hot, but in the end it all gets sorted out by the participants.
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Originally posted by Pyro
I didn't say the O'club was being shut down permanently, I said it was shut down while we decide what to do about it. I opened up this topic soliciting for suggestions to make it work and ironically, the strongest arguments for just keeping it closed are being presented by those who think they're making the opposite point. On the positive side, community moderation has been suggested and we're open to that idea, but I think that's only a piece of it.
I'm not sure community moderation is a good idea.
As an aside, I'd suggest that AH BBS "membership" require an AH account, and the account email address etc be used as documentation. Then when offenses are committed, simply lock the offender off the boards. There'll no longer be trolls wandering in, and there'll be no "whack the mole" games. It does have its drawbacks, you'd have to lock 2 week trial accounts out, and those who don't play and don't pay would be gone. Maybe its harsh, but it is obvious that the O' Club was taking WAY too much time and effort to moderate. The frustration in the posts of those who were trying to moderate it was beyond obvious.
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Karnak I whole heartedly agree.
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73 as a moderator...It might work.
Father(HTC): Ok kids, me and your mother are going away for the weekend...I've left the keys to the liquor cabinet hanging next to the keys to the corvette. Now don't drive my car and don't get into any trouble.
Kids(73): ...on the phone to friends...and they left me the corvette and told me to have a party while they were away...
I am kidding...I never really did see a problem with the o'club, it was listed as off topic and everyone who posted there knew that. Sometimes things would get carried away, but like someone said...we're all adults here.
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Seagoon would be Teh Uber Evar MoodeyRadar!
:aok
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Originally posted by straffo
Well the O'club needed an electrochock anyway.
Who is this Mr Hat guy ?
LOL Straffo.. it's from a very off-the-wall irrevrent and at time incredibly funny animated (poorly) TV show called 'South Park'.
I guess you guys don't get it in Yeroupe.
;)
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Yea, put Seagoon in as Mod. We will cure him of that one or two dram limit in a week or less. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Yea, put Seagoon in as Mod. We will cure him of that one or two dram limit in a week or less. :)
hed be a full blown alcoholic within 3 days.
Thats why we need someone who already has about 50% permanent alcoholic content in his veins from the day he/they start the "job"
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Somebody mentioned me as a mod?
LOL...
I would be the worst moderator evar! I think idiots best show their idiotness by being allowed to be idiots. Like lazs, I am not troubled by words, and would allow much more than HT would like. Please count me out.
Use the disclaimers, leave the language filter on and get someone to screen for porn links.. then disassociate HT from the OT.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
LOL Straffo.. it's from a very off-the-wall irrevrent and at time incredibly funny animated (poorly) TV show called 'South Park'.
I guess you guys don't get it in Yeroupe.
;)
got it :)
"monsieur Toc" in the version fr !
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Anyone who actually WANTS to be a moderator should be banned from taking on the job.
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I don't see HTC sponsoring or hosting some sort of "free for all' forum. History shows that they find such to be distasteful and for the most part intolerable.
Anyone looking to see the O'Club return would probably be better off coming up with ways to PREVENT it from being a "free for all".
It seems pretty obvious, there are PLENTY of "free for all" forums all over the net, and within the flight sim/war sim community. If HTC wanted one here, they'd have done it already. Remember, disclaimers don't mean squat. No matter what, they still have THEIR NAME on it if it is here. You can put whatever disclaimer on it you want, by hosting it they're still condoning it. They did not do that before, I don't expect them to do it now.
Disclaimers and waivers "aren't worth the paper they're printed on" so to speak. People sign them every day and night at race tracks all over the country. And they still sue and they still win, often.
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Originally posted by Schaden
Anyone who actually WANTS to be a moderator should be banned from taking on the job.
THAT is the smartest thing I've seen posted here.
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Virgil you don't get it and your ideas are not going to work.
Fighter Ace banned all posters from their forums unless they have an account and now that game is limping along on O2.
The O Club had a couple of problem posters. The best way to deal with that is not to ban them or limit the club membership to a few people with paid subscriptions and signed waivers (you should work for the government).
It is simply to delete the offending post. If someone cannot read what you posted then the excitment of pissing off the whole place is gone. After a person has had a number of posts deleted with no fanfair they begin to get the point.
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Originally posted by Schaden
Anyone who actually WANTS to be a moderator should be banned from taking on the job.
I don't want to moderate !
does the opposite work ? :D
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Originally posted by Schaden
Anyone who actually WANTS to be a moderator should be banned from taking on the job.
i would have to ask who would eb "stuck" with it then? if for example JB42 was made a mod he would not like it at all. he barely ever goes into the o'club.
everyone is "nominating" seagoon. what if he doesn't want it? if he does want it and accepts, your statment says he shoudln't be.
it is a kind of paradox.
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How about an additional $14.95 a month for access to an unmoderated O'club forum. :) You know - subscibers only allowed....lol
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Originally posted by Habu
Virgil you don't get it and your ideas are not going to work.
Fighter Ace banned all posters from their forums unless they have an account and now that game is limping along on O2.
The O Club had a couple of problem posters. The best way to deal with that is not to ban them or limit the club membership to a few people with paid subscriptions and signed waivers (you should work for the government).
It is simply to delete the offending post. If someone cannot read what you posted then the excitment of pissing off the whole place is gone. After a person has had a number of posts deleted with no fanfair they begin to get the point.
I don't think you get it. The O' Club is NOT the game, and it is NOT the reason people play. I doubt more than a few who post in the O'Club fly, I see VERY few of them at all. And I DO post and I DO fly, often. I fly all hours of the day and night. If you think closing the O'Club is going to run off all the customers you are sadly mistaken. The vast majority of the people I know who DO fly don't even go into the O'Club, ever, some don't even go to the BBS in general that often. And remember, I DO go to the O'Club, and often. Or maybe that should read "I DID". Oh yeah, I get it, I've been here for years, I was at WWIIOL for a couple years as well, and I was at AW for years before that. I have been a member of the communities for years, this ain't my first rodeo.
People PAY for the GAME, the BBS is only part of it, but the O'Club is secondary at best. Hell, half the people who threaten to leave over the O'Club being closed ADMIT they don't play anymore. If you are here because you love to play, the O'Club will only be a small blip on your screen.
I don't need to work for the government, I own my own business, and know a little something about business in general, having run several. I know plenty about people and customer service.
The O'Club had more than one or two, or even a few problem posters. They've played "whack the mole" for years.
I've listened to Skuzzy, HiTech, and Pyro. I've seen the frustration, and I've seen what makes them angry. I've done it myself. Read carefully and you'll see they don't WANT the sort of thing that has been going on in the O'Club on their site.
It really is that simple. They don't want people trashing up their house, and they don't want to waste an absurd amount of time and resources (especially as limited as they are) trying to police a bunch of fools who can't behave (myself sometimes included).
The reason I say disclaimers and waivers don't work is because people still read what is posted, and associate it with the site and the game. They'd need to hire a full time moderator to stand over the place and keep it cleaned up. They closed it on a temporary basis because they WILL NOT do that. When ALL THREE people from HTC who DO moderate the boards say the same thing when they lock and delete in the O'Club, you have to think they really mean it.
Your idea that deleting offending posts will drive the offenders away simply doesn't hold water. SOMEBODY will see the offending posts, often WELL before they are deleted. Attention potatos get off on being deleted. They LOVE playing "dodge the moderator' while the moderator plays "whack the mole". Only the good members of the community behave on a regular basis and respond to "moderation". The bad ones crave the attention. From the company, and from the community. You can delete and lock with zero fanfair all you want. They still KNOW they got to someone, because it had to be deleted or locked. That's all they wanted. When that thrill wears off, they'll be back, new name, same name, the game is still the same. They get the point alright, and they LOVE IT. Who has the time to fool with it? HTC says they DO NOT.
I liked the O'Club as much as anyone, more than many. But I also see what went wrong. I generally behaved well, but was sometimes part of the problem. ESPECIALLY if the Aruba thread was part of the problem that became the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Originally posted by straffo
I don't want to moderate !
does the opposite work ? :D
We're on to you mister. We ain't fallin fer no reevers sicologee tricks from no silly frogs. :D
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Originally posted by JB73
i would have to ask who would eb "stuck" with it then? if for example JB42 was made a mod he would not like it at all. he barely ever goes into the o'club.
everyone is "nominating" seagoon. what if he doesn't want it? if he does want it and accepts, your statment says he shoudln't be.
it is a kind of paradox.
You have a valid point, and that is part of what makes community moderation a difficult and iffy proposition at best.
The best solution is to have HTC approach people they see as having the skill set to do the job and asking them if they will. Having the community "elect'' moderators likely won't work,
as it is likely to just be a popularity contest.
Having volunteer "community moderators", if it works, could reduce the load on HTC staff. So long as everyone behaves relatively well and they are forced to "moderate the moderators",
it will work to an extent. It requires HTC to trust and sign off on 3 or more people, and give them the power to warn, lock, and delete. It still requires HTC to play "whack the mole" when required, and to deal with complaints on the moderators. It becomes a serious problem when the moderators get accused of playing favorites. That creates nasty issues for HTC, because they have to back the moderators to a great degree, or the moderators become useless, and feel handcuffed.
It still leaves HTC to handle the nastiest of issues and individuals, and those individuals can still make a mess of the O'Club. Leaving us back where we were (or are now). How often it happens, IF it happens, and how long it takes, depends on the people in the O'Club. If truly nasty things go on, as has happened more and more often over the last couple of years, it might not take too long. If people clean up their act, it might never happen.
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Seagoon? NO WAY! We need a Youropean Socialist Baby Eating mod.
STRAFFO 2006!!!
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Originally posted by Meatwad
OMG !1!1!!!! HAHAHAHAH :rofl
I think you'd do good JB, dont think I seen you lose it once in there.
:rofl
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Originally posted by straffo
I don't want to moderate !
does the opposite work ? :D
Don't try those cunning French mind tricks with us!!!
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Btw when are we all going for a drunken excessive lunch in Brussels?
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It does seem that most , if not all of the problem poster's did'nt play anyway.
Current members + community mods might be a step in the right direction
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Originally posted by Flit
It does seem that most , if not all of the problem poster's did'nt play anyway.
Current members + community mods might be a step in the right direction
HeHe, you don't get it. At least that's what I was told. I think you do, but that's just me.
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Shaden, whenever you want... needs to be the week-end, as I'm still in Lululand. I think Stringer's planning to come down here as well soon.
Also, we were talking about an A'dam trip with Swoop... Swoop, you there?
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Isnt one of the biggest problems that you have repeat offenders?
Why not give a warning, then a one week/month ban and then a permanent ban? Of course the offenders would just sign up with a new account again you say?
Then make the registration to the forum a "manual" one instead of autmatic? That would take up too much time you say? Then give the administrators a list of sertain IP adress ranges that the problem people use and let the adminisrtartors take care of the approving the registration.
Cumbersome perhaps, but maybe it could work. Its not like there is a thousand new members to this bbs every day is there?
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I don't think you get it. The O' Club is NOT the game, and it is NOT the reason people play. I doubt more than a few who post in the O'Club fly, I see VERY few of them at all. And I DO post and I DO fly, often. I fly all hours of the day and night. If you think closing the O'Club is going to run off all the customers you are sadly mistaken. The vast majority of the people I know who DO fly don't even go into the O'Club, ever, some don't even go to the BBS in general that often. And remember, I DO go to the O'Club, and often. Or maybe that should read "I DID". Oh yeah, I get it, I've been here for years, I was at WWIIOL for a couple years as well, and I was at AW for years before that. I have been a member of the communities for years, this ain't my first rodeo.
People PAY for the GAME, the BBS is only part of it, but the O'Club is secondary at best. Hell, half the people who threaten to leave over the O'Club being closed ADMIT they don't play anymore. If you are here because you love to play, the O'Club will only be a small blip on your screen.
I don't need to work for the government, I own my own business, and know a little something about business in general, having run several. I know plenty about people and customer service.
The O'Club had more than one or two, or even a few problem posters. They've played "whack the mole" for years.
I've listened to Skuzzy, HiTech, and Pyro. I've seen the frustration, and I've seen what makes them angry. I've done it myself. Read carefully and you'll see they don't WANT the sort of thing that has been going on in the O'Club on their site.
It really is that simple. They don't want people trashing up their house, and they don't want to waste an absurd amount of time and resources (especially as limited as they are) trying to police a bunch of fools who can't behave (myself sometimes included).
The reason I say disclaimers and waivers don't work is because people still read what is posted, and associate it with the site and the game. They'd need to hire a full time moderator to stand over the place and keep it cleaned up. They closed it on a temporary basis because they WILL NOT do that. When ALL THREE people from HTC who DO moderate the boards say the same thing when they lock and delete in the O'Club, you have to think they really mean it.
Your idea that deleting offending posts will drive the offenders away simply doesn't hold water. SOMEBODY will see the offending posts, often WELL before they are deleted. Attention potatos get off on being deleted. They LOVE playing "dodge the moderator' while the moderator plays "whack the mole". Only the good members of the community behave on a regular basis and respond to "moderation". The bad ones crave the attention. From the company, and from the community. You can delete and lock with zero fanfair all you want. They still KNOW they got to someone, because it had to be deleted or locked. That's all they wanted. When that thrill wears off, they'll be back, new name, same name, the game is still the same. They get the point alright, and they LOVE IT. Who has the time to fool with it? HTC says they DO NOT.
I liked the O'Club as much as anyone, more than many. But I also see what went wrong. I generally behaved well, but was sometimes part of the problem. ESPECIALLY if the Aruba thread was part of the problem that became the straw that broke the camel's back.
You don't get it. The O Club is the place to allow people to discuss things other than the game. Take it away and those discussions migrate to the other forums.
Banning everyone but people who have active subscriptions removes something that is very important to this game. The Community. Without a communtiy this game dies. You read it here. People come to the O'Club to catch up on everything in the news and to see what is up. It makes people want to hang out here.
Deleteing offending posts will work. Even if a few people see them first.
BTW you are not the only person to own your own business here. How many million a year are you doing in sales?
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Originally posted by Schaden
Btw when are we all going for a drunken excessive lunch in Brussels?
can do that somthime between 2th of august and 5th. :D
problem is to find a plane able to carry me down there, and a taxi driver able to understand my babbling when drinking has been overdue for 2 days.
I need to find Saw, he said he would buy me a couple of beers.
But he is prolly in lux and trying to find nonexisting babes.
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Sadly, I am not a current member. I'm on hiatus, waiting for ToD. I'd like to think that I've contributed and am not part of the problem. I think that the person that ignited the fire that burned our house down was a paying member, so it's not exactly a silver bullet solution.
I sure hope that it re-opens, and I respect the difficult decision that HTC needs to make. I hope to see y'all back on the board.
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i want to be a modaratar
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Originally posted by Habu
You don't get it. The O Club is the place to allow people to discuss things other than the game. Take it away and those discussions migrate to the other forums.
Banning everyone but people who have active subscriptions removes something that is very important to this game. The Community. Without a communtiy this game dies. You read it here. People come to the O'Club to catch up on everything in the news and to see what is up. It makes people want to hang out here.
Deleteing offending posts will work. Even if a few people see them first.
BTW you are not the only person to own your own business here. How many million a year are you doing in sales?
I do get it. I never disputed that the O'Club COULD be an asset. Agreed, off topic stuff migrates in more often without the O'Club.
People who want to play the game, and be involved with the community, will be here, regardless of the O'Club. You read it here first. The people who make the game and the community ARE NOT in the O'Club only, many are not in there AT ALL. People who love the game and the other people will hang out here, regardless of the O'Club. They'll be in the other community forums, the O'Club is NOT the only community forum, nor is it the back bone or foundation of the community.
Deleting the offending posts hasn't been working. If it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion, and the O'Club would still be up. THAT IS A FACT. They've been deleting posts, locking threads, and banning people, and it has been getting worse for quite some time. They were FORCED by SOME of what you call "the community" (not the community in general, but some who feel they should be allowed "free reign")to close it. VERY few, if any, regular posters in the O'Club were NOT guilty of trolling, baiting, flaming, or other bad behavior at one tyime or another. Just about every one of us has done one or more recently.
Exactly what does the gross sales of my business have to do with ANY of this? How sad, you think you have to measure yourself against someone you disagree with by profit. Next it will be K/D ratio.:rolleyes:
By the way, the two of us, in a small shop building racing products, grossed plenty last year.
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This is easy..
I tried to help HTC moderate many moons ago...
You know what happened?..I got banned
everyone on my "Hanoi" lists..Yes ban those pedophiles
we will be much safer.
btw..I as a moderator would virtually stab anyone who gets out of line...
We would need current pictures of all memebers wanting to join the Olcub.
this is ghey
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Will there be a designated moderator on weekends?
Daniel
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Sadly, I am not a current member. I'm on hiatus, waiting for ToD. I'd like to think that I've contributed and am not part of the problem. I think that the person that ignited the fire that burned our house down was a paying member, so it's not exactly a silver bullet solution.
I sure hope that it re-opens, and I respect the difficult decision that HTC needs to make. I hope to see y'all back on the board.
My suggestion was not directed at anyone in particular. I don't see you as having been any worse than anyone else. I certainly would not choose to see you excluded from the BBS.
I never thought it would be a perfect solution. Perfect solutions don't exist. It isn't even a great solution. It is just a solution to allow HTC to have more control, easier. The work load and frustration was far more than we the community have the right to expect them to bear.
I too hope to see it reopen, and I hope you are there. Agree or not, you are a stand up guy.
I wish everyone would have the same respect and consideration for the decision they had to make, and those they'll have to make, as you show. I find it funny that there are those who "DEMAND":rolleyes: that the O'Club be here and be a "free for all".
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I do get it. I never disputed that the O'Club COULD be an asset. Agreed, off topic stuff migrates in more often without the O'Club.
People who want to play the game, and be involved with the community, will be here, regardless of the O'Club. You read it here first. The people who make the game and the community ARE NOT in the O'Club only, many are not in there AT ALL. people who love the game and the other people will hang out here, regardless of the O'Club. They'll be in the other community forums, the O'Club is NOT the only community forum, nor is it the back bone or foundation of the community.
Deleting the offending posts hasn't been working. If it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion, and the O'Club would still be up. THAT IS A FACT. They've been deleting posts, locking threads, and banning people, and it has been getting worse for quite some time. They were FORCED by what you call "the community" to close it. VERY few, if any, regular posters in the O'Club were NOT guilty of trolling, baiting, flaming, or other bad behavior. Just about every one of us has done one or more recently.
Exactly what does the gross sales of my business have to do with ANY of this? How sad, you think you have to measure yourself against someone you disagree with by profit. Next it will be K/D ratio.:rolleyes:
By the way, the two of us, in a small shop building racing products, grossed plenty last year.
You brought it up. Just as you assumed that your customer service experience makes you more qualified to speak on those issues, you assume that everyone here is some sort of child who needs a school master with a big stick standing by or they will get out of line.
I know people from the O Club who own multi million dollar businesses, who restore WW2 aircraft, who work for the British War Museum, who own smaller business, who fly for a living, who have advanced university degrees and many other exceptional ithings.
We do not need to be treated like kids because of the actions of a couple of misfits. Misfits will always be around. Set some guidlines and deleate their posts that break the rules. After they get no attention they go away, or better yet grow up and contribute usefully to the place.
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
Will there be a designated moderator on weekends?
Daniel
I know someone who should NOT have that job :D
<---he is recovering over there
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"I wish everyone would have the same respect and consideration for the decision they had to make"
Wouldn't that be sort of like you showing "respect and consideration?"
No offense but you are responsible for a share of the antipathy in the O'Club, in fact, respectful and considerate are not two words I associate with your BBS persona.
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I keep clicking on the costum sounds and skins thinking it's the oclub lol. Get in there and think why is mitsu's sound pack in here:p
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Only about ,what, 20% of the paying players ever come to any of the boards. And of that, maybe a third can withstand the abuse recieved when posting on the O club. So to threaten HYTC, or say the Oclub is the AH community is a stretch, to say the least.
I know if someone was checking out the BBS before joining, most people you'd want in the AH community would leave after reading the O club as of late. It's just gotten to 'attack the poster' orientated lately.
As far as paying customers. Well if HTC staff have to waste time moderating it, then u pay. I pay for the time HT staff put into the game, why shouldn't u pay for the time they put into moderating?
Community moderaters, different story. I have no prob with that idea.
Maybe a system where the posters themselves can post a 'strike' against a poster in a given thread, and enough people post that guy 'strikes' he's outta the thread. If that person, doesn't get the point and moves to start a new negative thread, posters can vote a 'ban', and enough 'bans' and the guys outta the O club, for a period. If the offender comes back, after his time out and starts all over again, then the posters vote for a 'permanent ban'.
to expand a bit. Say you have a 'strike post' button, it takes say ten strikes then the poster gets message'community has struck you from this thread'. The offender should get the point, if they don't you have second button,'ban' offender, same thing, maybe ten votes offender gets message'community has banned u'. First ban, 1 day gone, second one week gone, third permanent ban. The votes sre not seen by the offender, to avoid personal attacks, but are logged for review in case of protest. This way it's the community whose decided what to allow, and if the community decided to allow too much crap still, then the community will have been responsible for the permanent closure of the O club.
Just a thought.
I too enjoyed some of the O club, but as of late, dared not post, due to the unneeded attacks that were sure to follow. We do need a civil place to discuss off topics tho, specially BBQing.
my 2 cents.
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I wouldn’t want to be a moderator. However, if someone else wanted to be a moderator and didn’t want to take the flack that goes with the job, they could do it under my name (as an alias). I wouldn’t mind having a few folks raving mad at me for deleting their posts; I just don’t want to go through the effort myself.
eskimo
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Originally posted by dirtbag
"I wish everyone would have the same respect and consideration for the decision they had to make"
Wouldn't that be sort of like you showing "respect and consideration?"
No offense but you are responsible for a share of the antipathy in the O'Club, in fact, respectful and considerate are not two words I associate with your BBS persona.
I have already stated that at times I am as guilty as anyone. I took responsibility for it publicly, when this all began.
I show respect and consideration to those who show it to me.
No offense taken. I never said I was perfect, I said I was far from it.
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How about this...
Make the o'club hidden like the squad forums are?
Out of sight to those that does not activly seek it or know of it and causual people stopping by wont be "offended"
There would have to be normal modertation tho, but nothing extreme.
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Excuse me for asking but whats the point if its on this board or on another one? Checksix.net has always seen alot of traffic from the oclub users here. Now it'll just see more.
Seems to me that HT tried it. Everyone got warned there but it still kept up. So they killed it.
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The hand wringing reminds me of a Grateful Dead concert I went to in Berkeley.
I don't like the GD and didn't have tickets, but it was fun as hell to wander around the hills above the campus watching all the folks.
...anyway, at one point I witnessed a group of hippies (maybe 15 in all) surrounded by 3 security dudes. The hippies wanted in, but had no tickets. This group was on their 2nd or 3rd attempt at crashing the gates and their leader, a 5'11" guy weighing maybe 98 pounds was trying to rally his troops for another assault on the stadium. His tearful plea, he was actually crying, went like this, "if we all hold hands and walk down there together, they just have to let us in".
All the, "your community and your game will wither and die without us o'clubbers", reminds me of that hippie.
ps. when you buy the "magic" cookies from a chick with a beard, you know you are in for a good time.
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Originally posted by Habu
You brought it up. Just as you assumed that your customer service experience makes you more qualified to speak on those issues, you assume that everyone here is some sort of child who needs a school master with a big stick standing by or they will get out of line.
I know people from the O Club who own multi million dollar businesses, who restore WW2 aircraft, who work for the British War Museum, who own smaller business, who fly for a living, who have advanced university degrees and many other exceptional ithings.
We do not need to be treated like kids because of the actions of a couple of misfits. Misfits will always be around. Set some guidlines and deleate their posts that break the rules. After they get no attention they go away, or better yet grow up and contribute usefully to the place.
You are the one who decided I needed a job with the government. YOU brought it up, I didn't, I just commented on it.
I didn't say I was more qualified, you ATTEMPTED to say I was NOT qualified at all. Big difference. YOU assumed I had no idea what I was talking about because I didn't see it your way. Too bad.
No, I do NOT assume everyone here needs anything. I commented on what I saw. I never said EVERYONE get's out of line ALL the time. I said I've seen 90% of the people who regularly post on the O'Club, especially some of the frequent posters, INCLUDING myself, get out of line to some extent, some more than others, and cause the grief that got the O'Club where it is today.
In case you missed it, a while back, they DID set some guide lines.
They were posted at the top of EVERY forum. And AGAIN, they have been deleting posts, locking threads, and banning people, for quite some time. Guess what, it kept getting ugly, and they closed the O'Club, DESPITE posting guide lines, deleting posts, locking threads, and banning people. Isn't that what you keep saying? Delete posts! It fixes everything! NOT! If it worked, the O'Club would be open. It isn't. They are asking for suggestions. You are saying "delete posts of the offenders, it solves all the problems". Well, it didn't solve them.
Your solution (delete posts) didn't work, offer another one.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
How about this...
Make the o'club hidden like the squad forums are?
Out of sight to those that does not activly seek it or know of it and causual people stopping by wont be "offended"...
...or we could just change the name of the O'Club to "ch200".
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I'm pretty sure the O-club got nuked because I was fast approaching 20k of posts (not counting the 7,000 that Skuzzy lost in the BBS change over in 2002). :D
j/k.:D
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Anyone who actually WANTS to be a moderator should be banned from taking on the job.
This would be a good rule for political candidates also.
Sure will miss all the biscuits and gravy.
Thanks for the many hours of amusement HTC. < S >
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'm pretty sure the O-club got nuked because I was fast approaching 20k of posts (not counting the 7,000 that Skuzzy lost in the BBS change over in 2002). :D
j/k.:D
Oh, so it was YOU!:D
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Originally posted by Furious
The hand wringing reminds me of a Grateful Dead concert I went to in Berkeley.
I don't like the GD and didn't have tickets, but it was fun as hell to wander around the hills above the campus watching all the folks.
...anyway, at one point I witnessed a group of hippies (maybe 15 in all) surrounded by 3 security dudes. The hippies wanted in, but had no tickets. This group was on their 2nd or 3rd attempt at crashing the gates and their leader, a 5'11" guy weighing maybe 98 pounds was trying to rally his troops for another assault on the stadium. His tearful plea, he was actually crying, went like this, "if we all hold hands and walk down there together, they just have to let us in".
All the, "your community and your game will wither and die without us o'clubbers", reminds me of that hippie.
ps. when you buy the "magic" cookies from a chick with a beard, you know you are in for a good time.
:rofl
You never cease to amaze me, and always amuse me ... you are a classic.
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Give to all BBS member moderation right in the O'club.
According to Laz when all people have weapon all people are more polite , let see if it work IRL :)
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Originally posted by Furious
I don't like the GD and didn't have tickets, but it was fun as hell to wander around the hills above the campus watching all the folks.
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When reading these things watching people beeotch slap each other over absolutely nothing, it is worth it when someone actually posts something funny as hellll!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Salute Furious, that is, in the imortal words of Tommy Boy, AWESOME!
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Originally posted by straffo
Give to all BBS member moderation right in the O'club.
According to Laz when all people have weapon all people are more polite , let see if it work IRL :)
The O'Club was real life??????????:eek:
No one told me.:(
LOL Straffo.:D
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The O'Club was the ONLY reason I was still regularly visiting the HTC website. Which in turn, got me to check out the news and updates on AcesHigh. Without the O-Club, I will probably rarely if ever visit here. I guess it's a business decision that has to be made on HTC's part.
Sorry to see thing go ....
Terror
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
20k7,000 2002
:D
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gee skyprancer... You agree with karnak that nothing I ever said offended you? Glad to hear it.
MT... I will miss the banter with your wife.
I guess what it amounts to is that I really don't have any suggestions because....
I never seen anything on the board that offended me... I guess some of the pics might have come close but they had allready been deleted before I seen em I guess.
lazs
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Originally posted by Furious
The hand wringing reminds me of a Grateful Dead concert I went to in Berkeley.
I don't like the GD and didn't have tickets, but it was fun as hell to wander around the hills above the campus watching all the folks.
...anyway, at one point I witnessed a group of hippies (maybe 15 in all) surrounded by 3 security dudes. The hippies wanted in, but had no tickets. This group was on their 2nd or 3rd attempt at crashing the gates and their leader, a 5'11" guy weighing maybe 98 pounds was trying to rally his troops for another assault on the stadium. His tearful plea, he was actually crying, went like this, "if we all hold hands and walk down there together, they just have to let us in".
All the, "your community and your game will wither and die without us o'clubbers", reminds me of that hippie.
ps. when you buy the "magic" cookies from a chick with a beard, you know you are in for a good time.
hehe
Last GD concert I went to I was surrounded by about 200 Hells Angels. NOt a wimper among 'em.
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Originally posted by Schaden
Anyone who actually WANTS to be a moderator should be banned from taking on the job.
IMHO moderation is a job and responsibility, and noone can make you or me to take a responsibility we don't want.
Look at the oldest "remote human communication" rules, FIDO policy. I wish there was a way to sum up all possible solutions to problems that can happen on public forums like this one :( Fido is a "strange combination of anarchy and totalitarism", and that's why it's still alive, regardless to new problems that appeared when gating "echoes" to Usenet.
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What does it REALLY consist of?
The players, the people who really play the game?
The people who design terrain?
The people who create skins?
The people who design scenarios?
The people who host scenarios?
HTC?
The people who organize other events?
The people who organize official or semi official RL gatherings?
The people who volunteer to train or otherwise help out?
How many of the above regularly, or even rarely, inhabit the O'Club?
How many of them will just leave because the O'Club is not there if HTC doesn't reopen it?
I'm not saying the O'Club is totally irrelevant. It serves some valuable purposes. I was there, I enjoyed it, I learned, I was part of both the good and the bad. I would miss it if it never returned. But I wouldn't leave the game over it. It has its merits, it has its place, but I don't think it is the community, or the tie that binds the community.
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Virgil why don't you let other people say what they think on the topic? Posting page of page of the same one thought over and over really isn't enlightening anyone.
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Warning opinion alert... But HTC asked for feedback and this post is still unlocked, so here goes.
Community does make the game, but the O-Club was not the game. There was more "community" in the H2H forums than there was in the HTC O-club. In my worthless opinion, most of the o-club posters were ex-players who liked trolling, arguing, being tards, and enjoyed the place as a generic, fairly rowdy chat room. The O-club had almost nothing to do with the game.
The O-club quit being "the community" when toad quit posting his toad stories, when the last ah cartoon was posted, and when the book of dweeb quit being updated with o-club posts. After that, it was a mixture of interesting but completely off-topic discussions and outright idiocy. That isn't the AH community, that's a lateral displacement from an AOL chat room.
Anyone who wants to spend time as part of the AH community needs to give something back to the community, something more than trolls and retarded "my schlong is bigger than yours" posts. Come up with a scenario, or volunteer to run one. Too big of a project? Volunteer to make ads for the scenario. Or just volunteer to help with the scoring. Or anything. Make a skin, terrain tile, or ground object. You can do all of those things and never pay a dime because of the H2H arenas and forum. That's "community", not a bunch of guys who used to play the game sitting around at work or at home drinking beer in their dirty underwear, wondering how retarded they can make their posts before people really get mad or skuzzy has to lock the post (or kill the forum). Don't gripe about the o-club forum being the "community", because it hasn't been about the game or the game community for several years.
If you don't contribute something to "the community", then frankly you're a leech and ought to be happy with what you're given. I wrote a couple articles a few years ago and back then I felt like a fully contributing community participant, but in the last years I'm just another low-time player. I found the o-club entertaining but it's over the top to pretend that it represented more than a wart on "the community's" butt. I haven't seen a positive community contribution from the HTC o-club forum in years. The community avoided that place and posted in the real community forums like the screenshot/films forum, the gameplay/feedback forum, even the H2H forum where the unfunded part of the community hangs out.
I'll caveat that by saying some of the "real AH community" (ie. current players who contribute more than just idiotic forum threads) DID hang out in the O-Club, but they were the exception, not the rule. If you need help identifying who these people are, just search for posts by them on the whole BBS. If they are regular posters in other forums, chances are they actually contribute to the game and community. If they have 5000 O-club posts and almost nothing elsewhere, then the community and the game probably won't miss them much. And if they are non-subscribers that still consider themselves part of the community and are upset that the o-club is gone, prove it by showing up in H2H occasionally and contributing a bit. If you're too lazy to play a little H2H or even participate in the dueling ladder, then you're not really here for the game eh?
In my opinion.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
:D
LOL!!!:lol
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The O'Club just needs a disclaimer:
"Personal attacks will be tolerated and complaints of personal attacks will be ignored by HTC. Enter at your own risk"
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Originally posted by Habu
We do not need to be treated like kids because of the actions of a couple of misfits. Misfits will always be around. Set some guidlines and deleate their posts that break the rules. After they get no attention they go away, or better yet grow up and contribute usefully to the place.
Habu nailed it.
No need to ban.. just delete. Banning is a 'badge'.. some folks like to collect 'em.
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Originally posted by Habu
Virgil why don't you let other people say what they think on the topic? Posting page of page of the same one thought over and over really isn't enlightening anyone.
You know, I think I will. After all, it might be fun to see you post over and over again "delete the offending posts, and it fixes everything", and knowing that it didn't.
I was just countering your points because I disagreed with you. Sorry if you couldn't handle it.
I'll stop repeating myself if you will stop repeating yourself. Goes both ways. Try it. I'll stop replying to you anyway.
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Anyone who wants to spend time as part of the AH community needs to give something back to the community, something more than trolls and retarded "my schlong is bigger than yours" posts.
Eagl!
But but, I make movies for players who want em. They are super uber movie stars when they're released!:D
Btw, you have mail!:)
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Even though this will get me banned, (again) I'll take a stab at your list:
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
What does it REALLY consist of?
The players, the people who really play the game?
The people who design terrain?
The people who create skins?
The people who design scenarios?
The people who host scenarios?
HTC?
The people who organize other events?
The people who organize official or semi official RL gatherings?
The people who volunteer to train or otherwise help out?
How many of the above regularly, or even rarely, inhabit the O'Club?
How many of them will just leave because the O'Club is not there if HTC doesn't reopen it?
I played from day one of beta until I was banned (2nd time) for making a joke about WMD, Bush, and space aliens.
I was in the 1st group of trainers.
I was the 1st Terrain Team leader, and stayed on the team until the 2nd banning after which I resigned.
I created one terrain from scratch and contributed on several others.
I spent many hours on terrain tiles and aircraft skins for maps I was developing.
I wrote up a few Snapshots as well as hosted them.
I contributed several ideas that were included in Aces High and felt honored that my contributions were accepted by HTC.
My downfall was a combination of errors on mine and others parts in how we related to each other in the O'Club.
Skuzzy, I'm sure you are a nice guy and have tried to do the best you could with the O'Club problems but you didn't show a whole lot of objectivity or even handed moderation.
I am sorry for my contribution to the problem.
If you guys decide to use community moderators may I suggest Toad, Nash, Sandman, and Tumor with a 5th person of your choice as a panel to police that forum...balance is the key to making it viable.
weazel
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Originally posted by dirtbag
Even though this will get me banned, (again) I'll take a stab at your list:
I played from day one of beta until I was banned (2nd time) for making a joke about WMD, Bush, and space aliens.
I was in the 1st group of trainers.
I was the 1st Terrain Team leader, and stayed on the team until the 2nd banning after which I resigned.
I created one terrain from scratch and contributed on several others.
I spent many hours on terrain tiles and aircraft skins for maps I was developing.
I wrote up a few Snapshots as well as hosted them.
I contributed several ideas that were included in Aces High and felt honored that my contributions were accepted by HTC.
My downfall was a combination of errors on mine and others parts in how we related to each other in the O'Club.
Skuzzy, I'm sure you are a nice guy and have tried to do the best you could with the O'Club problems but you didn't show a whole lot of objectivity or even handed moderation.
I am sorry for my contribution to the problem.
If you guys decide to use community moderators may I suggest Toad, Nash, Sandman, and Tumor with a 5th person of your choice as a panel to police that forum...balance is the key to making it viable.
weazel
Well, I would hope that your reply would not get you banned, I see nothing in it to get you banned unless it stems from a previous permanent ban. In any event, thanks for the reply.
It seems you contributed a great deal at one time.
I think that sometimes the subject matter accepted in the O'Club can sometimes elicit strong enough opinions to cause even nice people to get carried away.
When I was warned by Skuzzy, I tried to look at it from his vantage point. Moderating the O'Club was just plain tough. I can easily see where it can become too much of a drain. It is easy to only see it from your own vantage point, and feel "put upon". It is sometimes hard to see where something you said may have elicited a response, and he/they chose to take issue with a post because of the response it elicited. I look at that as being human.
It is their house, and their rules. They are burdened with enforcing them. I figure if I got "moderated", in their view, I broke their rule in their house. I may not understand it, but I have to respect it.
I'm pretty sure we have gone at it in the past. In any event, I respect your honesty and willingness to share the responsibility, regardless of whether or not I agree with some of your positions.
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Too funny ... delete offending posts ... ban the bad apples.
I think what most fail to see or understand is that HiTech, Pyro, and more so ... Skuzzy are probably sick and tired of trying to babysit - ride herd over the O'Club. The O'Club is not a revenue generating operation for them ... it is more than likely overhead entry that is felt somewhat on their bottom line.
I don't know or care what HT pays Skuzzy, but I would imagine that it is way more than what the going rate of pay that one would get for babysitting a forum or BBS. HTC has limited resources and what resources they have are all needed in their specific areas of expertise.
With all the problems that they have been having with Savvis I am sure that Skuzzy and HT are up to their collective arses in alligators trying to quell the tide and when they have to divert their attention from something like that to go into the O'Club to spank/ban people and/or delete threads ... that has gotta piss someone off in a big way.
Skuzzy is an expert in his field and its gotta be like a thorn under his skin to have the task of babysitting take precendence over what he really likes and wants to do. If I were him, I would have brought HT and Pyro to the table long ago and said enuff is enuff and the O'Club would have gone bye-bye long before this.
Its human nature to always push the envelope and the "Aruba" thread broke thru the envelope. Those who paricipate regularly in the O'Club and always felt the need to push the envelope are the ones screaming the most ... you brought it upon yourself.
Bottom line here, IMO, is that HTC and company don't want to waste their time having to babysit ... so deleting post and banning people is not going to solve the problem ... they would need to waste their time deleteing and banning ... you need to dig deeper.
Here are the rules that were stickied in every forum not too long ago because things started to get out of hand. They were summarily ignored by most in the O'Club and now you wonder why. Pay particluar attention to #4 and #7.
1- Posts are to be made in the relevant forum. Users are asked to read the forum descriptions before posting.
2- Threads should remain on topic, do not "hijack" topics.
3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.
7- Members should remember this board is aimed at a general audience. Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to bypass the profanity filter.
8- Cheating allegations or descriptions are not allowed. Email support@hitechcreations.com to report any issues regarding this. HTC permanently bans anyone caught cheating in Aces High. We take cheating and allegations of cheating very seriously.
9- Complaints about a player's behavior online should be emailed to support@hitechcreations.com rather than posted to this board.
10- Spam is not tolerated here under any circumstance.
11- Do not use overly large signatures. Signatures should not take up more than 5 normal sized text lines in height. Do not use images in your signature.
12 - Users are permitted to upload one of their own avatars. Avatars must be in good taste and consistent with the other rules of this board.
13- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list.
14- Members should post in a way which is consistent with "normal writing". That is users should not post excessive numbers of emoticons, large, small or coloured text, etc. Similarly users should not SHOUT or use excessive punctuation (e.g. ! and ?) in topic titles or posts.
Posts and threads may be edited, deleted, or locked for violations of these rules. Continued or blatant violation of these rules may result in a temporary or permanent ban.
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As far as new moderators go...
1) JB73 would be the worst choice. He has how many zillion of us on ignore? I mean, c'mon. I'd rather let kids play in Lazs armory ;)
2) Let HTC select their own and allow said persons to remain anonymous. This would do a lot to avoid bias, etc etc
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Morph,
Your email didn't show up. If you used a cute subject line, it may have gotten filtered to spam (oops!) if I didn't recognize your email address since I let my spam filter have it's way and only browse subject lines and senders before deleting suspected spam.
If you used a reasonable subject line, then I guess it hasn't gotten here yet or I accidentally deleted it anyhow :) Either way, resend please and I'll look for it more carefully.
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Sooo what was the joke about George Dubya, WMD and Space Aliens? Was it any good?
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Originally posted by LePaul
As far as new moderators go...
2) Let HTC select their own and allow said persons to remain anonymous. This would do a lot to avoid bias, etc etc
doesn't HT have a new chick on staff? maybe she should get the extra task of moderating the BSS. She could even cutify it with pink backgrounds and msilies and mandatory online purity tests and quizzes and post things like: What kind of dog would you be?
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Originally posted by LePaul
As far as new moderators go...
1) JB73 would be the worst choice. He has how many zillion of us on ignore? I mean, c'mon. I'd rather let kids play in Lazs armory ;)
2) Let HTC select their own and allow said persons to remain anonymous. This would do a lot to avoid bias, etc etc
Said the man who let a once-banned-from-HTC FDB moderate his website...:rofl
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Said the man who let a once-banned-from-HTC FDB moderate his website...:rofl
As usual, you lack a point.
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I see you let MrFish come back to Check6, do I get a 2nd chance? :lol
Schaden...no dice.
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I never visited the O' Club.
I feel like I missed something now.
Dang.
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Originally posted by kj714
I never visited the O' Club.
I feel like I missed something now.
Dang.
it wasnt anything special, just the users
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And they were REALLY special. Some still are.
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I agree with eagl and SlapShot's great posts.
In my opinion, the O'club was fine when people talked about good food and drink, fast cars, fast planes, fights with pets, generally fun stuff. Made me want to visit the midwest for some real barbecue, actually consider a car with more than 4 cylinders for my next ride, and be wary around cats among other things. However anytime current events or politics got involved, it was usually an inevitable train wreck. Add in the ones that seem to be born to push the envelope on the user agreements just to show how clever they are and well...
Looking back at posts from the early years, people used to discuss different aspects of the war a lot more than they do now. History, tech, flight models... it seems to be limited to the A&V section for the most part now, which sees very little traffic. What happened? Now it's all about what other people do with their time online.
I guess it'll be a matter of how HTC decides where to spend their resources. Taking responsibility for your own actions would have helped a lot though...
mauser
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Jesus, Allah and Cows everywhere this hasnt been locked yet?
O'Club Resurrection or BAN!
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Well just my take - personal situation has meant I haven't flown for maybe 18 months but still keep paying to keep my ID and keep in touch. I travel a lot and the O'club has been a point of reference for years - like going in to a pub anywhere in the world and finding the same folks. If I ever get a situation where I would be able to play again the O'club has kept me here.
I think killing it is a bad idea.
I'm with Airbumba - put a button on the post header "Kill Post" - when X number of people have hit the button the post is wiped - moderation by all.
Also make it so only paid subscriptions can post or even have a reduced subscription just for BBS access that gives no game access - 15.95 for game and BBS, 6.95 for BBS only. When killed posts for a person hits XX then flag is shown on stats and Skuzmeister can decide on course of action - no live moderation by paid staff required.
The talk won't go away it will just move.
MHO
Sparks
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Adding a kill button is a cool idea, but I doubt that HTC is going to expend any effort to modify vBulletin.
There are a number of posts about limiting access to subscribers. This seems to assume that non-subscribers are a bigger problem on this BBS than subscribers. Any data to prove this point?
Second, I'm not an expert on web based bulletin boards, but I have played with a few of them and as near as I can tell there isn't a fast and easy way to compare a subscriber roster to the member list and then exclude non-members. Unless there is software solution for this, it will require a warm body. Hell, even if there is a software solution, it's going to take some time to verify. Many (if not most) of the members here on the BBS have different handles in the game and they also may not have used the same email address in both locations (among other things).
Good luck.
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My idea of the "strike poster" button, shouldn't take much modifying. i'm no programmer, but I think the Private messaging feature could be modified for this purpose. As well, since the BBS keeps track of all posters in any given thread, you could easily see if someone is abusing the "strike poster' button by his voting history.
I mean, everyone said, let us moderate ourselves, this way everyone is a moderator and evryone is resposible of the final content in the O club.
We need sumtin, or it's gone.
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I think this debate is missing the mark.
We've been given a time out. Lets use it wisely.
This is about more than any free speech issues, or business considerations, or off topics posts spilling over into other places, or matters of appearance, or political sensitivities, or registered vs unregistered posters, or anything like that.
If we care about the OC, a good starting point is to ask ourselves why. And I don't mean "It's goofy fun with a cup of coffee" why, but really... why is the OC important?
When it comes right down to it, the OC's demise is because we didn't recognize, or we forgot, the answer to that question - long before it ever came to this extreme.
Let me give you my perspective.
That is, the OC is invaluable because of the community, the folklore, and the history of flight sims.
Period.
In the flight-sim world, that's not a small thing. It needs to be considered, especially now when it is threatened.
The flight-sim community goes back far longer than any other on-line community's history. 15+ years. 1989. The guys at HTC were there at the start. AW, WB, AH. Through it all - through all those years.
As players, active membership will abate and re-emerge. Folks will take an active role, then recede, only to show up again a few years later.
For many of us, the community is the string that connects us, as it has done for more than a decade. And we happen to connect through the OC.
Take the Voss thread, for an obvious example. All of a sudden these, lets be frank, legendary people.... people who most of us had long thought had vanished completely, reappeared. It was bigger than some old-timers merely showing up to dog-pile. Because it showed that despite their absence - they had never left. And they probably never will.
I don't envy HTC's job. Because unlike a company such as EA, they have a bigger responsibility than to just the bottom line. In a very real sense, they are the caretakers of our history. This rich community, our connection, these ties that bind. Yet in another sense, HTC's role is enviable, because no other company can boast this kind of community, this kind of history. Like Hotel California - people check out, but they never really leave.
So I guess this leads to finger pointing time. Why the failure of the OC? Why did it get so out of hand? What went wrong?
There's no shortage of targets. We can blame a highly charged political atmosphere. One-upmanship. The testing of boundaries. The complete lack of respect for those boundries.
That would be wrong. Because that's finger pointing at finger pointing. No. Ultimately, the blame is ours. Yours and mine. Us in this community.
And definitely not HTC's.
Because it's those of us who should have set an example, that didn't. It's those of us who should have said "dude - you are way out of line"- that didn't.
We appreciate what the OC means, yet we didn't defend it. And now it's gone.
And now those of us who are shocked by the removal of the OC need to ask ourselves why that happened. And what the OC really means. Why is it that we really care?
Once you figure that out, it would go a long way in appreciating what it does mean. It would go a long way in respecting and preserving what it actually offers.
But this is only the first step. Recognizing its importance. Understanding it. Respecting its place. And only then can we figure out how to preserve it.
I suggest that the OC remain closed until we do. I suggest that it remain closed until we - this community that it serves - figures out how to take care of it.
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i love PAYING COSTUMERS ONLY...just for O club
we may lose a few guys with good input....
but atleast would could hunt the hanoi down and kill him...in AH ; )
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but you have to bring the o bak....i have a submarine thread that had names off books i still havent read
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Originally posted by straffo
Give to all BBS member moderation right in the O'club.
According to Laz when all people have weapon all people are more polite , let see if it work IRL :)
From an entertainment standpoint its a no loose situation
You just know that no matter which way it went it would be funny as hell to watch
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The ideal solution would be make the O'C liberals moderators. Nobody likes us anyway and we already know what's best for you. :aok
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The O'Club was crap. Lets face it. It had good threads, but they were few and far between. Most were crap, pure and simple.
Even the good threads had tards fighting back and forth. Doesn't matter, the tards found sides to pick and fought for it. Wrong or right, they kept at it until one gave up or it was locked.
But essence of the O'club is that it was a place to be a tard. You won't do that in the General Dis... wait... nevermind, it DOES happen in the General Discussion, but there it happens in topics that don't have anything to do with the game.
The one and only redeeming factor about the O'Club for HTC is that it keeps us tards, who haven't had subscriptions in a while, around to start an account again when we see something we like about AH2. Personally, my tarded self is waiting for something thats been said to come down the pipe. And I will wait.
BUT, I may not find out for long after its been released because I'd have very little reason to visit the forums here if there is no O'club.
In the end, the O'Club is for us tards that enjoyed, or still do enjoy, AH (well, for the most part I presume) and are waiting around for something to lure us back in. In the meantime, however, we give each other (cirumventing language filter) and shoot the (circumventing language filter) because its something to do. And we enjoy it, because afterall, we just a bunch of air combat gaming tards.
And if that doesn't bring a tear to your eye, well you suck.
-SW
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Six pages of posts in one day. That ought to be an Aces High Bulletin Board record. If nothing else, it indicates a nerve has been hit.
Officers' Clubs or similar social/venting outlets, official or unofficial, are common to all vital organizations. And ... in all there are rules, the main one being Don't Antagonize the Management -- and the second, If You Do, Be Prepared To Go Elsewhere.
Too many people in the O'club forum have violated Rule No. 1.
Play like you're in the Aces High executive room. It's easy to imagine a discussion that might have reached the following conclusions:
(1) The O'club is taking up a disproportionate amount of time.
(2) Some of the postings could be grounds for legal action and thus expensive and counterproductive penalties either directly in the courts or indirectly by bad publicity and alienating current and potential customers.
(3) Loyal customers deserve a last chance to propose fixes to the O'club, but barring a miracle, there is no apparent satisfactory fix to the continuing trend of the O'club detracting from the game's primary focus and thus being detrimental to Aces High's long-term success.
(4) Few other forums anywhere, in Aces High or anywhere else on the Internet, allow the range of beliefs, attitudes, and opinions expressed in the Aces High O'club forum. Consequently, a main problem in deleting the O'club is that O'club postings undoubtedly will spring up in other Aces High forums, and thus could ultimately bring on the demise of the entire bulletin board.
(5) Free speech is a wonderful ideal, but it is only that -- an ideal. Inflammatory talk that offends community standards (i.e., world, national, Aces High, whatever) ultimately cannot be not tolerated (e.g., can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire). Similarly, personal insults and slander are not acceptable and increasingly require excessive company time to monitor and control.
I personally will greatly mourn any permanent loss of the Aces High O'club forum.
But if I were running Aces High, I would never have had the guts to offer the O'club forum in the first place. It's too risky. It's a miracle it lasted as long as it did.
Permanently deleting the O'club will disappoint many current members, but new members won't miss what they never had.
I want the O'club to continue, but I'll reluctantly understand if it doesn't.
Without the O'club, the Aces High community will not be the same. But it will be much more like most other communities that concentrate on their specialities and rarely invite or tolerate the candid and deep wide-ranging discussions that distinguished the Aces High Bulletin Board.
That will be a tremendous loss.
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Originally posted by LePaul
As far as new moderators go...
2) Let HTC select their own and allow said persons to remain anonymous. This would do a lot to avoid bias, etc etc
Personally I think this is the best choice.
IF HTC goes around asking people then folks that may not want it might ..run off at the mouth about it (for lack of a better term) that they were asked
So rather then HTC just nominate someone I think that HTC should request that those that are interested in the duty Send them an Email stating as such and then they could pick whom they want out of the bunch. And reply with a pleasant "no thank you" for those they decide against.
Then it truly can remain anonymous.
And I think it SHOULD be anonymous
Obviously all Mod should have to work under some sort of rules and guidelines.
Remaining anonymous being one of them.
Others might include not being overzealous with their powers.(letting it get to your head) and abusing your position.
Violation of either should be subject to immediate and permanent loss of MOD status
Any mod will have to keep in mind that your not going to be able to please everyone. Some people will always find something to complain about.
But they cant be too permissive either.
It would be a delicate job to find the right balance. Not putting the kabash on every little thing that might bother someone yet not letting things get too out of hand either.
Since nobody can be monitor everything 24/7 Mods should also be required to notify each other of potential problem threads to specifically keep an eye on to make sure things dont get out of hand
Mods should have editing & thread killing powers only.
A mod could possibly recommend a banning or submit a poster for review to HTC but.
Any Banning should remain the sole power of Hitech,Skuzzy etc.
And even submitting a poster for such action should not be taken lightly or on a whim.
I dont think users should be limited only to paying customers.
IMO there are too many worthy posters that even though I may have strongly disagreed with them at times, deserve to be here. And do contribute to the forum.
Again IMO it makes poor business sense to make the boards exclusive to paying members only. The idea is to attract people so they might be interested in the game and not shut them out of an exclusive club.
Disclaimers might not be a bad idea in several forms.
A disclaimer for the board itself. With so many people from so many countries, widely varying cultures and backgrounds from literally all over the world it would be both impossible and foolish to think that everyone is going to be on the same page all the time. And quite honestly I think it would become pretty boring if they were.
Disclaimers used by the posters themselves such as "Warning not work safe" or "Warning contains disturbing images," , etc., for things such as links that probably wouldnt go over well in the workplace.
Not to say that would make it ok to post pornography. It still wouldn't be.
But there are some things that one might call "fringe". Not really kosher for the workplace but too good not to share.
This would also put the power of choice in the readers of the forum that there might be something there they may not wish to see and thus take away any complaint they may have about what they did see. If you dont like horror or gory movies you dont go see Friday the 13th then complain it was scary or gory.
It would also give these same people a legitimate complaint if a warning is not given.
This allows users a bit of lattitude(within reason) in their posts which is needed IMO
And also allows to not look at something they dont like if they choose. Which is also needed and makes it fair to everyone.
If a mod has any questions on such posts he/she should simply submit it to Skuzzy, Hitech, or Pyro for a final thumbs up/down.
On reading through this thread I've made a few observations.
Some that actually surprised me.
By and large the people that frequented the OClub want it to stick around even with it faults.
The (and Im using a word I normally dont like to use in reference to this game or boards) "Majority" of people that did frequent the boards were far less bothered or offended by and are far more tolerant of what was sometimes said to them then they often let on.
There are people here who on first look one would think are mortal enemies. Yet they truly like each other of not each others opinions.
Some but not all of the naysayers. That is those saying good riddance to the OClub probably wouldnt be happy no matter what way it was worked out even if total peace broke out and people all took a make love and not war stance.
The people that complain about the boards numerically are in a very small minority. Not that some of the complaints arent valid. Its just that there are so few who actually do.
Most people here really do want free speech to a certain extent. Even if they are vehemently against what is being said. But the majority of people agree there are certain lines that shouldn't be crossed.
Those lines are made pretty obvious. Not by any forum rules but by the users themselves as to what is tolerable and what isnt. though they sometimes dont voice it in a way that makes themselves look any better.
And not so suprising there are some, but really very few who will never learn no matter what. They seem to thrive on becoming a problem for everyone like a child that feels they are not getting enough attention.
Well, those are my suggestions,ideas,thoughts, observations & ramblings.
I am sure I could come up with more and probably spend a few days writing a bill of rights of sorts but I at some point tonight would like to actually play this game.
That point is now .
sorry for the wall of text
and for those that made it this far.
Thank you for donating the time you wont get back LOL
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We should become an anarcho-syndicalist commune and take it in turns to act as a sort of moderator for the week.
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(4) Few other forums anywhere, in Aces High or anywhere else on the Internet, allow the range of beliefs, attitudes, and opinions expressed in the Aces High O'club forum. Consequently, a main problem in deleting the O'club is that O'club postings undoubtedly will spring up in other Aces High forums, and thus could ultimately bring on the demise of the entire bulletin board. "
most forums ive been to allow the range of beleifs, its just that because of the global nature and interst of/in flight, few other boards HAVE the range of beleifs etc.
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there is a problem though with keeping the moderators "anonymous"
if the edit someone's post, it will say "last edited by XXXX"
just like when you see skuzzy edit someone's post.
i don't know enough about bulletin boards to know if there is a work around for that.
if the moderators are anonymous, they would have to sumbit for review any mod's they have done, for due process, in case of a complaint about them. if there is no proof who did the mod, then there will be un-trust by the regular members. there will be complaints of "phantom" modifications to posts, with no way to track the truth.
if member moderators become a reality, and the "edited by" is turned off, my suggestion is there has to be a hidden forum for moderators, where they must show what the did, when, and why. without a way to track and moniter the moderators, i only see problems.
of course if this hidden mod forum is voluntary there is a chance someone could secertly mod a post / thread with no way to track them.
quite a pandora's box. anonymous moderators, how do you control them?
oh well hopefully a helpful thought
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Or the moderators could be assigned moderating accounts named "Skuzzy2, Skuzzy3, Skuzzy4, Skuzzy5, ;)
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Originally posted by Toad
Or the moderators could be assigned moderating accounts named "Skuzzy2, Skuzzy3, Skuzzy4, Skuzzy5, ;)
lol true
also thought of a "rule" for the moderators.
if one of their own posts gets "moderated" they get a warning.
second offense, they are banned from being a moderator. you can not have mod's going off the handle, and doing / enciting the very thing they are there to stop
sorry man i type incoherent sometimes. i had to re-write that sentence 4 times LMAO
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You would want to have a frontal lobotomy first before volunteering to become a moderator in that O'Club.
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I feel dirty for posting in this thread but I felt it necessary.
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I'd like to see it come back or have a way to access it for looking back at some things.
There is a test there that berkely did about what looks good to a person and I was looking for the link to it for somebody here at work.
It wasnt all bad. There was useful things that would pop up in there from time to time.
:(
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hello my name is joowen and I am an alcoholic.
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I'd say with more moderators it can be salvaged.
More moderators and more SELF-MODERATION.
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No Moderators.
We'll self police. Everybody's physical address is on file... if yer sig included a link to yer real name, address and phone number I betcha the atmoshere would be real civil. :D
We can raise the bounty fer a hit if (when) necessary.. tho I suspect some would do it fer free.
*wallah*
Problem solved.
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Originally posted by Drunky
I feel dirty for posting in this thread but I felt it necessary.
Heh, I never noticed in the tiny sig typing. That's pretty neat, I've always wanted to be on a list. Now I'm somebody!
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Hello all,
Logged in today for the first time in three days and found I couldn't access the O'Club posts - I thought at first that I'd be banned and immediately pannicked that I finally said something so over the top that Skuzzy decided Seagoon had to go. So in one sense finding this thread was a relief...
I don't have time to post much, as I'm away on business at our denoms GA, but, let me say that I really enjoyed the O'Club, it was a place where I could meet individuals I'd never normally bump into and get answers and input to questions on any number of topics. While I hadn't been posting for long, I was also pleasantly surprised at the willingness of many of the members to show real comraderie. The O'Club was the one forum that really wasn't anonymous and impersonal. Good or bad, you really got the feeling you were getting to meet and converse with real people with their hopes, worldviews, aspirations, struggles, and so on. They ceased to simply be icons, and became real people with jobs, families, successes, failures, and heartaches.
Plus, I seldom end up snorting coffee through my nose because of something I read in the other forums, the O'Club - for all of its failings and irritations, was some of the funniest and just plain old entertaining reading I've encountered. I hope it comes back if only because I'll miss the interaction, even with the people I disagreed with.
There are some great people playing this game, and to tell the truth, I would never have found that out without the O'Club.
I hope that nothing I've posted contributed to the suspension, if I did, then HTC, please accept my sincere apologies, and please feel free to give me direction, public or private in how I can improve my participation in future.
BTW - as to being a mod, I am honored by your votes of confidence, but I already (im)moderate one list, and I must confess I wouldn't have a clue how to deal with this one. There have GOT to be better choices out there.
I'd send out a general salute and thank you to the people I've enjoyed reading and typing to, but it would take too long. I want to thank Storch and Toad for their particular kindness in assisting me directly and to all of you. Please keep in touch via email, especially if we are already talking, and if I can ever help anyone else out from the community, get in touch. I hope HTC figures out a way to put the O'Club back.
Gotta get back to reading for tomorrow.
to you all.
- SEAGOON
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So I fly 2500km, be w/out a computer for 5 days and when I get next to one I find out that o'club is closed?
damn... :(
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Originally posted by Staga
So I fly 2500km, be w/out a computer for 5 days and when I get next to one I find out that o'club is closed?
damn... :(
you are probably one of the reasons it's closed.
I think HTC should open a sissy'Club for such people.
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Originally posted by Dowding
That's a shame, I've had some good discussions in there over the years. But it is not the place it was back in 2000, and neither is the crowd to a large extent.
Vulcan summed it up quite well - I was only hanging around for ToD.
all
What Dowding, and Vulcan said... I always went to a new News, Announcements, & Information post first before even opening the O'Club....
Tronsky
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Originally posted by NUKE
you are probably one of the reasons it's closed.
I think HTC should open a sissy'Club for such people.
LOL Nuke you're a classic. If Staga was one of the reason, you're responsible for a double share...
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People Who PAY..Get to go into O club
Why do we allow outsiders into the O club?..
This O club is on BASE...You have to be a member to Be ON BASE......unless your on ur 2 week Bootcamp
How many losers who dont play this game ruin the O club?
If a member gets in trouble....He Shows up in a diffent color in thh MA..and we hunt his dirty carcuss down
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Nice post earlier nash,
Now that's what I call a moderators CV, now go wipe that brown off your nose
wipass
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Originally posted by rpm
The ideal solution would be make the O'C liberals moderators. Nobody likes us anyway and we already know what's best for you. :aok
Now that would be funny!!
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Originally posted by rpm
The ideal solution would be make the O'C liberals moderators. Nobody likes us anyway and we already know what's best for you. :aok
brilliant :D
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It's pretty simple.
HTC are running a business, not a friend's locals-only tavern with nothing but regulars where in-jokes are no risk.
the best interest of this game and company
but... at a con HT and I were talking and he told me that I was allways "skirting the edge" making the hyper sensitive "guys" cry... that sort of thing.
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This happens quite often on other forums. I remember something similar on PPRuNe where the Jetblast forum was pulled several times. It came back with the strict proviso that religions and politics were banned. Which I suspect is where most of the trouble comes from. That's eased up a bit now but they swoop in anytime someone gets out of hand.
Maybe that's it. Ban religion and politics?
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Originally posted by joowenn
hello my name is joowen and I am an alcoholic.
hello, my name is nuke and i really am an alchoholic.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Sandman
We should become an anarcho-syndicalist commune and take it in turns to act as a sort of moderator for the week.
you are being repressed dennis.
:)
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Originally posted by cpxxx
This happens quite often on other forums. I remember something similar on PPRuNe where the Jetblast forum was pulled several times. It came back with the strict proviso that religions and politics were banned. Which I suspect is where most of the trouble comes from. That's eased up a bit now but they swoop in anytime someone gets out of hand.
Maybe that's it. Ban religion and politics?
Would we be required to goose step into the forum and immediately assume the "hile" position before posting?
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I stand by my sugggestion.
make the o'club "invisible" to non members like the squad forums are. you have to seek it out activly (all welcome ofcourse) and you can have a few "squad" mods that can boot offenders.
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Ok.. my take...
I liked it just the way it was. I didn't see anything wrong with it at all. The language was filtered and so were the pictures and that was probly a good thing..
there were some really bright boys posting to the oclub. Some of em didn't even agree with me.
Anyone who was wound too tight... a psycopath or a liar or self promoter was generally slapped down hard anyway (unlike the general discussion which is protected preserve for the lame and the braggarts and bizzare)
If the oclub comes back as lame as the general discussion board there will be no point... it would gag most of the guys with any brains or sense of humor.
In short... If it is moderated much more than it was... don't bother to bring it back for my sake.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Anyone who was wound too tight... a psycopath or a liar or self promoter
so . . . that leaves how many?
hap
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Hold on Hap. The numbers are being tallied up as we speak....................in Florida. :)
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Let's put this in perspective... Seagoon thinks it might have been him that closed it down or at least that he got banned..
It is perhaps the most pertenent thing of this whole thread to note that he enjoyed reading the posts and was never offended....
We are talking about a preacher here who is one of the most level headed and kind people I have ever seen post and never uttered a mean word... And even he doesn't know what was acceptable.
weazel didn't "joke" he went of on pure hissy fits of rage and self destructed.
AKwolfie didn't like the competition and nobody appreciated him there so... the BB was crap.
nash wan't it to stick to flight sim subjects.... yeah... nobody ever gets worked up or angry or mean over that stuff right?
There was nothing wrong with the BB unless it was a legal thing... Anything you do to "fix" it would kill it... it would be as bland and boring as the general discussion. If the BB never offended a preacher then what kinda self doubting, fragile wussies were doing the complaining?
lazs
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on behalf of all those who cannot find the words
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail#Quotes (http://)
drat. i probably wonked that up.
hap
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E Gads! But somehow this seems funny to me.
Arthur: I am your king!
Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you.
Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well, how did you become King, then?
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake,... [Angel chorus begins singing in background] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [Angel chorus ends] That is why I am your king!
Dennis: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis: —but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
Arthur: Shut up, will you? Shut up!
Dennis: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?
hap (i lack the techy-ness to make it REAL funny
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Maybe that's it. Ban religion and politics?
And you turn the O Club into a ghost town.
Well maybe not that bad but you would certainly loose alot of the flavor of what made it so special.
Yes there were alot of debates that got out of hand in both subjects. And needed to be closed down.
But by and large they werent any worse then you see in even the general discussion forums on any number of other subjects.
People are going to argue reguardless of subject.
The problem comes with the arguements getting out of hand and people, often the same people repeatedly going bonkers and going completely over the top.
I dont think subjects should be limited and I commentd HTC for allowing them.
The world would probably be a far better place if more people had such open discussions rather then avoiding them and making beleive they dont exist
The trick is in knowing when things are about to get out of hand and squelching them before they do
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mi dos centavos:
1) active game subscribers only (rationale: its a club, clubs ain't public)
2) require clicking "accept" on a disclaimer (rationale: company asks clicker to disculp them from whatever happens next, avoids liability)
3) no moderation (allow a community to be a community)
culero
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seagoon.. the check six forums seem to be filling up with all the people you enjoyed interacting with.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
nash wan't it to stick to flight sim subjects.... yeah... nobody ever gets worked up or angry or mean over that stuff right? - lazs
Not sure where you got that idea.
Anyways, it's kind of become clear to me that Skuzzy's job was doomed to failure from the start. That there's no way community moderators could have any more success. There's no way to squelch things "before they get out of hand" because everyone's idea about what that means is different. Everyone's interpretation of the rules is different.
How can they be possibly be enforced without it reflecting just the sole interpretation of the moderator and therefore under attack by a whole ton of people who either never understood or who will never agree to them?
Two choices for HTC, basically. Leave it open and let it be, or just tank it permanently.
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What competition Lazs?
-SW
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If I were HTC ... here is what I would do.
I would bring back the O'Club but in READ-ONLY mode for a period of 3 to 6 months. This would allow those to peruse the forum to get any information off of it that they might need.
I would then solicit non-HTC moderators. Give them ids like HTC_MOD1, HTC_MOD2, ... They would have the abilities to edit, delete, and lock threads ... no banning privs ... that would be left to HTC Staff with recommendations from the Moderators if needed.
Their main objective would be to slam the lock down on any possible O'Club type post that might pop up in any of the other forums during the "cooling off" period. At the same time, they would also moderate threads and posters that might be going over the top in the other threads throughout the forums. Kinda of like a training ground prior to the re-opening of the O'Club.
I was a lurker in the O'Club. Yes there was alot of good stuff in there and some very intelligent posters. I too was never offended by what I read in there (and I am not a preacher), but I am not the one that has to worry about the appearence of what my corporation is allowing to be published on the net. Thats a whole 'nother ball of wax.
The main reason that I was a lurker was due to the fact that most of the threads contained the same cast of characters that loved to poke each other in the eye, and if anyone other than that cast were to post, they were for the most part ignored. It was nothing more than a bunch of cackling old ladies playing bridge, and if you weren't part of the inner circle ... you were on the outs. It got to the point that they really didn't want to discuss, but rather use the thread to see how hard they could poke each other in the eye, or see what nuclear explosion they could cause by dropping some sort of igniter in the thread.
For the most part, any thread in there that had anything to do with politics, religion, current events such as the war in Iraq quickly denegrated to trashs talking and the notion of a "discussion/debate" was no where to be found. The consistent animosity that grew out of these threads between poster became quite evident, and anytime they reared their ugly head in a thread, the discussion was over.
I am sure there are more, I just can't recall the names, but if most posted in there with the style and attitude that the likes of Toad and Lazs brought to a thread, it would truly be an enjoyable O'Club. These two can debate like Pit Bulls, but I can't ever recall them getting downright nasty and mean spirited and take a discussion to the "personal attack" level.
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nash... the reason most of us ended up in the oclub was because we hurt the feelings of the guys posting about flight sims.... we were mean to em.
yeah ak... they weren't all kicking your verbal butt... they just didn't "understand" you.
lazs
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Who?
-SW
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Originally posted by lazs2
Let's put this in perspective... Seagoon thinks it might have been him that closed it down or at least that he got banned..
It is perhaps the most pertenent thing of this whole thread to note that he enjoyed reading the posts and was never offended....
We are talking about a preacher here who is one of the most level headed and kind people I have ever seen post and never uttered a mean word... And even he doesn't know what was acceptable.
lazs
I found that both interesting and amusing.
Seagoon,
I think all would agree you weren not the problem. Or even anywhere nearly close to it.
Hell..ummm I mean heck I think many of us here kinda view you as the company chaplin so's to speak.
I know for myself I've payed attention to what you had to say far far FAR more then any church preacher or any other kind of preacher ever said. But your also far more interesting then any other preacher I've heard.
Now myself I view as being more spiritual then regileous.
but I've always found what you had to say interesting even if I couldnt completely buy into what it was you said.
You were not nor ever were even close to being the or a problem
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oops.. slap.. thanks but..
Not sure everyone really got me or toads style and..
I did get mean and nasty once.. to jb88 in his "quitting smoking" thread and he put me on ignore for it..
I will bet anyone here tho that I had/have more to do with him staying off the studmuffins ... than 30 well wishers.... It was I alone that recognized that he was an effeminate liberal unable to muster any real willpower so I helped him...
That is the kind of thing that made the oclub great.
lazs
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I found that both interesting and amusing.
Seagoon,
...Hell..ummm I mean heck I think many of us here kinda view you as the company chaplin so's to speak...
...You were not nor ever were even close to being the or a problem
Seconded. Spot on.
Slap, thanks... but I'm a sinner too. I can recall calling two folks idiots and it happened in the last 8 weeks or so. I hate "ad hominen" and yet I'm guilty. I should have just quietly put them on ignore but the ego triumphed (once again) and I'm as guilty as the next guy.
Always something to work on. ;)
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Damm i probably missed some important event :D
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Is there a possibility the O'Club can be made read-only, if only for a few days? I understand it's within your rights to close it down, and that you really don't owe those of us who posted there any consideration because we were all leeches, but there are one or two Seagoon posts I'd like to have access to if that's at all possible.
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Toad ... Lazs
Notice I descibed you as Pit Bulls and not Angels.
Well, if all you can recall is 3 incidents between the two of you, then my statement and observations still holds true.
My overall point was to bring to light the style in which you debate/discuss.
When in a dicussion, if you begin to taste the bile in your mouth, its time to step back and re-look at what your typing/saying.
From what I could see in that forum ... some, if not most, thrived on that taste of bile like a junkie to crack.
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all that wisdom I have imparted to the ignorant masses over the years lost forever!?!? Say it ain't so!!
what is this world coming to??
LOL LOL LOL
seriously, we will need the OC up and running three years from now, say 06/2008 - to give us 5 months of dem/rep "discussions" :)
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Most business decisions are based on the PIA:reward index. People will take a fun job at relatively low pay. On the other hand, if the work is a huge PIA, you have to pay someone a lot of money to do it.
The PIA:reward index of the O’club has finally reached HTC’s threshold of Johnny Paychecking the whole thing.
I' guessing the reward value of the O’club is fairly low for HTC but includes things like increasing traffic, keeping off-topic posts from the other areas, and giving Nate and Superfly something to do instead of surf for porn when they are supposed to be working. As long as the PIA factor was pretty low, the O-club was worth keeping.
But there are two problems. Number one is a group of drive-by trolls who get their chuckles by behaving like the south end of a north-bound horse. They have to constantly one-up the other trolls, which increases the PIA: reward index because HTC has to constantly watch for and remove this silliness from their board
Letter B is a group of overhyped moralists who seem to think the have an inborn right to never be offended by someone who disagrees with them. This further increases the PIA:reward index because they email and phone HTC to complain that their feelings are hurt by something they saw on the internt.
I don’t think volunteer moderators are the answer. I worry HTC will just have to constantly oversee the moderators, not to mention dealing with all the complaints regarding how the board is moderated. This will just drive the PIA:reward index higher than Skuzzy’s blood pressure.
I think the only workable option is for the users to moderate themselves. Anyone with any sense understands the rules. Either we can follow them or we can’t.
Pyro’s just threatened to pull this car over. If we can’t take the hint and get our feces collated, they should just pull the plug for good.
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my god.. myelo just made sense.
Liquor stores closed today?
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Hell I liked the OC.
I got a lot of flack for my pasty faced English views but it was a Larf. Yeah occasionaly some things got me a little riled but I think I saw that happen to quite a few people. No Harm done its only a BBs. The only thing that I think is realy a bit rich is the fact that I can only post from work nowas Skuzzy banned my home PC IP address. I don't recall ever intentionaly personaly insulting people ( well OK one ) and generaly tried to be pretty civil. The great thing about the OC was that it was like a good pub discussion. Things got heated people outed some wacky views some wierd stuff got talked about and some people got support and help. I never posted on a BBs until I found the OC. Through joining AH and paying my subs I might add so I think it a bit harsh to shut it and arbitrarily ban people. Hell I was just getting to have some fun.
Make it a Forum for AH players and recruit some OC members as moderators oh and how about unblocking my IP. I'm not that bloody bad you know and I dutifully pay HT every month and therefore am helping keep that particular virtual sky open! Pasty faced English lefty views or not, OPh and Bush is still a Pratt !
;) :lol
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I think closing OC is just a diversion tactic. No one now saying hey where is TOD? Been couple years since first announced.:)
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Ehh.. It wasn't a flame it is true..but I will rephrase. TOD was announced back in the summer of 2003. It is now the summer of 2005. So far the only thing "I" have seen change is 200 foot tall maple trees, lag, server crashes and some new paint on the airplanes. Of course some of you here see things differently..this is just how I currently view the differences made to AH since the announcement of TOD in the summer of 2003.
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Originally posted by BigGun
I think closing OC is just a diversion tactic. No one now saying hey where is TOD? Been couple years since first announced.:)
It's not a diversion tactic. I'm surprised the O club lasted as long as it did.
If you owned a business such as this would you like to have a section of a forum that got so out of control and disgraceful as the one on this forum?
As far as TOD, it's a HUGE undertaking (especially since they're adding AI controlled planes and such not to mention a whole new way of gamming), so give them a break.
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Originally posted by jpeg
If you owned a business would you like to have a section of a forum that got so out of control and disgraceful as the one on this forum?
no i would not.
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Comment said in Jest with Sarcasm. Personnally don't frequent the OC. Only plus I see to bringing it back for me personnally is to keep that stuff over there & out of the General AH discussion threads.
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Pyro:
For me, I see a lot of guys in the O'Club who are not even playing AH and causing a stir.
Perhaps by limiting membership to these forums for PLAYERS ONLY we can limit the banter and issues that come up time to time.
I mean, if you link banning on forums to banning playing the game, pilots would think twice before acting like tards.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Pyro:
For me, I see a lot of guys in the O'Club who are not even playing AH and causing a stir.
Perhaps by limiting membership to these forums for PLAYERS ONLY we can limit the banter and issues that come up time to time.
I mean, if you link banning on forums to banning playing the game, pilots would think twice before acting like tards.
What he said!!! :aok :aok :aok
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i did not find anything wrong with the OC, but i am very broad minded and tolerant, yes there were different view points and sometimes things got a little heated, but thats life, some times it is good to hear other views even if they are wrong (LOL).
also, i would not ban anyone, not even that crazy commi Boroda.
if everyone agrees with what you say whats the point of saying it?
44MAG
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Originally posted by john9001
if everyone agrees with what you say whats the point of saying it?
It seems to work for Dubya. He won't let anyone but loyal party members attend his "Town Meetings".
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There ya go RPM!
Inject a bit of BushBash into this thread of sackcloth and lamentation.
sir!
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I believe I have just witnessed the birth of the NEW O-CLUB
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Originally posted by culero
mi dos centavos:
1) active game subscribers only (rationale: its a club, clubs ain't public)
2) require clicking "accept" on a disclaimer (rationale: company asks clicker to disculp them from whatever happens next, avoids liability)
3) no moderation (allow a community to be a community)
culero
Can we vote in Culero as moderator !
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Originally posted by Toad
Seconded. Spot on.
Slap, thanks... but I'm a sinner too. I can recall calling two folks idiots and it happened in the last 8 weeks or so. I hate "ad hominen" and yet I'm guilty. I should have just quietly put them on ignore but the ego triumphed (once again) and I'm as guilty as the next guy.
Always something to work on. ;)
Toad, at least one of this two folks isn't offended at all. I pity people who take this issues seriously.
My invitation to drink something if you'll be somewhere around European Russia or Ukraine is valid at least until i'll get my cirrhosis ;)
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LOL! If you make it to the US again, look me up... we'll barbecue some brisket and ribs!
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Originally posted by rpm
It seems to work for Dubya. He won't let anyone but loyal party members attend his "Town Meetings".
The Dems do the same thing :p
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C'mon guys, let's keep this on topic.
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The idea that only paying members in the OC would keep it civil is just stupid. How civil is ch200? Those are all paying customers.
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Originally posted by NUKE
you are probably one of the reasons it's closed.
I think HTC should open a sissy'Club for such people.
Pot to kettle, come in kettle.
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The guys who want to limit access to the board do not seem to understand the value of a BBS to the game.
The more people on the BBS the more interesting a place it is. The more interesting a place it is the more new people check it out.
There are many dead discussion groups on the internet. Just go to newsgroups and type in the names of many games and flight sims from the past. Most of the NG are dead, as are most of the games and flight sims.
Once a game and its BBS stops attracting new people around the community is in decline. And once in decline it begins to die.
A vibrant online communtiy that has interesting discussions is a big part of any online game.
You need an off topic forum or the other forums get wrecked with discussions that have nothing to do with the forum's topic.
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For once I agree fully with Habu.
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:( sniff sniff ...
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Agree with Habu.
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I also agree with Habu.
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Disagree with Habu.
If you think that the suspension or removal of the OC will start the demise of AH and HTC ... I have got a bridge for sale in NYC for ya ... real cheap.
For some reason, you guys think that the whole of HTC and AH revolved around the existence of the OC and that it generated interest and income ... hardly.
I guess those that see it that way, really never looked or participated in the other forums that are available on this BBS. They are just as active as the OC ever was ... sans the massive eye poking and prodding.
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Havent played the game in years but the O'club was my homepage. I kept up to date on the game and every now and then think of coming back. No reason for me to come to the site now and stay up to date on the game.
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Originally posted by Dnil
Havent played the game in years but the O'club was my homepage. I kept up to date on the game and every now and then think of coming back. No reason for me to come to the site now and stay up to date on the game.
Sorry but wasn't the O'Club by definition an off topic board? If you truly wanted to keep up with the game itself wouldn't the other boards really be the place for that?
DaPup
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I don't think it'll signal the immediate demise of HTC, not at all. I DO think it'll be a blow to the community, though. History has shown that the more active a community is, the better off the subject matter is.
Either way, there's hardly a magic bullet that'll solve everything. HTC has a legit concern about maintaining what can be a time-sink (OC moderation), and at the same time, they wouldn't have created it in the first place if they didn't see the value of a venting room where people can be silly.
If the O'Club disapears, I suspect the signal/noise ratio in the rest of the board will get a little worse. Nothing crazy, but just something to be aware of. You'll have a lot more off-topic stuff leaking into General and whatnot. That might not be a bad thing, but it'll definately be a real thing.
Again, I sincerely hope that a solution can be found that'll bring this vibrant community back to life, but if it can't, I hope that the posts are made available for at least a little bit so I can archive some of the things that I valued deeply, like my learning to fly thread, the help I got during the Tsunami aftermath, congrats for the birth of my kids, advice for business, and more.
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Originally posted by Habu
Once a game and its BBS stops attracting new people around the community is in decline. And once in decline it begins to die.
You need an off topic forum or the other forums get wrecked with discussions that have nothing to do with the forum's topic.
I did not join AH for the O'club or the BBs in general.
However, I do agree that we need a forum where all the malcontents :) can go. Just look at the number of locked threads in the Gen. Forum in the past few days.
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Guys I hate to say this, but if HTC feels that they cannot keep the O'Club on the boards then I think everyone is better off letting it go and forming up at someplace like check6. Is it the same? I doubt it, but then again I havent been there yet. But if the addition of some volunteers to help with the moderating isnt enough (and Pyro himself said it was only a small piece of the puzzle), then is anyone really going to be happy with whatever they COULD live with? Given the outspoken nature of most of the folks I've seen in the O'Club over the last year or so, I doubt it. Let them take it away, or let them reinstate it. I'd kinda bet whatever rules they want to impose are already written down. None of the folks at HTC seem to be lacking in the decision making department.
I have some serious issues with it, but in the end its a private board and they have the right to do as they wish with it. I'll express my problems with it in email and not here.
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I wonder if this will run long enough to beat out the Voss thread in # of posts for a single thread.
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WHats the Voss count # ?
I think this single thread has become the new O'Club.
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Voss count was over 1k wasnt it?
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Originally posted by Slash27
Voss count was over 1k wasnt it?
2007 replies
HT got the last one before the lock
OMFG i have no life.
i just realised i know the exact post count of a thread from over a year ago. i can also tell you that the stripper thread was 780 some posts long, and my "song name game" was over 1200 posts.
heck i can remember what HT said in the last post either "lets" or "time to" close the door on this 2000 post monster
egad what have i become?
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I didnt bother to read through this, because i really dont care :)
Id think the solution to o'c would be similar to the solution to ch1.
Make it a private forum. Make an agreement/auto sign-up page to get access to it. Give a list of rules to volenteer mods, and send it on its merry way.
Or just chuck it....Im not bothered either way.
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My last words on the subject then I'll go back to lurking.
Close it down permanently, this thread is proof that some people just don't get it, specifically you Lazs.
You are abrasive and insulting, (as usual) you color the truth, (lie) and are so busy playing internet "tough guy" that you can't see your own faults and culpability in the O'Clubs closing.
To compare Toads eloquence and intelligence to yours is insulting to him.
Your misogynistic posts alone should be enough to either get you banned or at least warned but for some reason they allow it.
weazel out. (for good this time)
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153098