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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: -ammo- on March 19, 2000, 08:19:00 AM
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"steal killing"
I heard this statement along with some heated and belittling words last night in the MA. It was aimed at a squadie of mine--he is of good character as long as Ive known him. The person with the remarks wouldn't stop with the chiding and the "explanation" of why this is not tolerated. Hmmmmm. He definately wasnt trying to steal a kill from this guy---the con was still flying--so he shot at him. Pretty historical if you ask me.
Dont get me wrong here. I dont want to infringe on anyones "game" here. I fly to have fun and I love to excell at it too. What is the big deal with seeing your name in the kill buffer? You know you got a piece of the guy--right? Ok so it does bother you--are you really that anal to take the person to task with it? I doubt he really wants to ruin your game. ( thats not the reason I give my $30 to HTC)
My squad is new here. We were 37 strong in WB's and it looks like we are bringing 25+ to AH. I am excited about it for one and I speak for several people.
Yes I guess I am ranting a little. My squadie logged off after this and he was a little upset. Sorry guys--just wanted to get it off my chest.
ammo
332nd Flying Mongrels
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mmm...ammo I guess you talk about me. Yes I was somewhat abrupt at first I told him literally :"thankyou for trying to kill my target...now I know for who I'll never dive to clear his 6"...He answered that he thought he was helping and as I saw he was a newbie I told him calmly that when a con is going down in flames and without a wing, then you dont have to shoot at him.
I came here at Aces High with no previous experience online in this kind of simulators, but from the start I understood what was a steal and what no. I guess he didnt know, so I calmed down and explained it to him.
Maybe I was abrupt. From here I want to apologize. I'm not in my best times in the MA, if fact i am thinking seriously in quitting at all...and when I kill a con and I see someone diving vertical on it and firing the flaming plane...well hope you understand.
I usually shut up and comment it with my squadmates. Yesterday at first I lost my nerve, but then I tried to make it good.
Again, my apologizes. This is getting hard to me lately.
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Ram, out
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/Ram.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 03-19-2000).]
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I will give you a very good reason to do what he did.
Last night, I was tracking a Spitfire North of F1. He saw my 109 above him and decided that was a bad option, so he dove. He dove directly towards my countrymen, and sure enough, one picked him up. RAM attached himself to the spit post haste, and within a short time had removed a wing. I was in the follow-up position by this point, but as a wing was gone I didn't fire. I watched the Spit tumble end-over-end on the turf, and waited for the kill.
There was none.
I was trying to clear another pilot from a Spit. I was a bit high and it took me some time to work down. The countryman gets killed, I make 3 tight guns passes on the Spit, he was good, spoofed every pass enough to live. I figured no prob, he would soon be out of alt. He was. He ditched that sucker in a blink of an eye.
After liftoff, I'm just climbing off F1 when I see countrymen zooming low my 3 to 9. I roll left in time to see the 109. I decide I have a pretty good position, so I dive. Now, I got as close as 1.1, but couldn't quite close the range. I decide, since two others are right there, to climb a bit and cut off the 109's egress. It was a great plan, and would have worked, except, yup, he ditched with a 51 and a 38 right on his tail. This one I don't clearly understand, as they rode him to the ground. I was too far away at that point to get the particulars, but that one is hard to understand. I don't see how he could have extended enough in the time I watched to have set down.
On the other side of the coin, I rolled an F4U end-over-end the other night and walked away.
My point? No kill is certain until you see the puff of smoke. Anyone who is riding my wing should feel free to put a burst into anything I shoot, I won't say a word. I would much rather someone kill it than to have that wingless bird whip around and kill me later (which has happened). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Here is something.
Hit a spit pretty hard as he dove over top of me. Knocked a few pieces off. I continued to go after him but was not closing range. The con was opening.
Bullzi came from a higher alt and caught the guy and finished him off. Bullzi did exactly what he should of done. That cons would of made it home if he didnt shoot him down. Weird thing was I got credit for the kill and Bullzi only got the assist. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) He deserved the kill, not me!
Sometime ya never know!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Swager
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/swager.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 03-19-2000).]
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I dunno kier, sounds like you're making more of an argument for ditch=kill than kill stealing. Frankly, I'd rather a ditch go unawarded than be scored a kill to someone who destroyed an already-departed A/C.
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I usually shut up and comment it with my squadmates. Yesterday at first I lost my nerve, but then I tried to make it good.
Right! Ram, what DON'T you complain about?
I was going to explain my position on why I didn't give you a 6 call. But after you went on and on, squeaking and moaning, I decided you don't even deserve an explaination.
I do give 6 calls if I see the opportunity and the situation permits. Personally I consider them as "gifts" and don't expect them often. Nothing can replace SA.
In your case I'll make it a point NOT to give 6 calls.
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In your case I'll make it a point NOT to give 6 calls.
I think that's quite alright.. he has a load of squadmates who will. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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BaneX
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2)
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It's a judgement call in many cases whether you should help out or you think you friend has got it under control. If you have time you could ask if he needed help. I get positively suprised when tht happens to me.
I try to hold fire when I see my target is mortally wounded, and therefor I have had some kills "stolen". I don't take that too bad. Often my friend just couldn't see from distance that the bad guy maybe had lost his elevators or likewise.
So its not these single events where the "steal" is often a mistake that's annoying to me, but more when pilots dive down on an enemy target where there is plenty of friendlies around it allready. They will soon be the hunted because they have given up all their advantage. Boelckes Dicta warns against this:
"Attack on principle groups of four or six. When the fight breaks up into a series of single combats, take care that several do not go for one opponent."
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Ltn. Snefens
RO, Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
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Kieren:
Yup i remember it well... was a spit to wich I ripped his wing at an altitude of 200 feet or so...the plane went right down and somehow he survived...
The 190 I killed and was nearly stolen, had a ripped wing and was going down in flames from 15K, going vertical. The guy went after it firing as crazy...no way such a wounded con can survive the hit with the land...and as someone said it before I'd rather see a plane ded as a ditch nor as a stolen kill.
BTW we, Kieren and me, both were on same spit from the very start...if you'd have killed him It'd have been ok...when I saw the con ditched on the deck, and no kill awarded I turned as fast as I could to finish it, but was too late...I knew what was going on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) if someone would've killed it then I would't have complained because that wasnt going to be my kill anyway...so that example is not the best (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Swager, I agree...but is not the same thing to finish a glider plane trying to ditch that try to make explode a wingless burning plane going down fast as a meteor...I never complain when someone kills a con thats gliding and I've been unable to kill it before. All I use to say is "ok, but I could've done by myself" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) but never in an angry way...
Rock...I guess you are the rockster that saw a 109 going in my six and you wanted to put yourself in his 6 before warning me. I guess you imagined that If you warned me I'd maneouver and the kill would be more difficult isnt it?...and you still dont want me to get angry with yah...man I really dont want your 6 calls, take them to yourself. you wanted a con's life before mine. You put me on danger to kill an enemy. And you still have arguments?...
Its sad to see people like these on the arena...
Snefens: yes it has happened to me too...and its curious i believe was with ammo... he fired a 109 and I saw it smoking (possible radiator gone)...Ammo then had to break cuz he was too near and as I came after him i put a full burst on the 109 and killed it. I got the kill...I was trying to avoid him ditching, If someone does it with me is ok, as I said before. Then talking with the killed guy, he said he had engine ded...and ripped tail!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) I felt like a burglar (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) I never saw the tail going off...so In a private I apologized...he answered in a nice way, that was teamwork and was OK. <S> ammo...but the kill was yours and I stolen it...w/o wanting it,but was stolen.
Said that you see what is my point. I get very angry when someone steals my kills, and I try to never do it. Sometimes has happened...but not with me wanting it.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 03-19-2000).]
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 03-19-2000).]
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Actually guys this is a good thread. Let me tell you why I think so.
First off, part of the reason is no one likes to have a kill stolen. After thinking about this last night I realised that if "Kills" were represented directly by points instead we probably wouldn't have this problem.
Say a plane is worth 100 points. Plane explodes someone gets all possible points.
Pro rate them out according to hits & damage done, and your assist may actually mean something.
Say you light a guy up but he manages to ditch. Plane is 65% destroyed, plus he didn't return it to base. Award 65 points again pro rated out by hits & damage.
Now we have a sim where it doesn't hurt so much if someone ditchs. Where someone "Helping" may pick up a few points, but you picked up more!
We can even now easily penilize score for planes not returned to base. A score which will reward the pilot who can engage the enemy, do some damage & return to base.
Throw in a good landing bonus, and we work harder to set up correct landings (instead of crashing our plane any which way).
We also have a sim where chivelry can exist.
Where fair play is the theme of the day. Last where you can truly measure how good you are by your score, because it will reward good flying, & penilize poor flying.
Last, while the mongrels may be new to AH, we are not new to air combat. Any plane still in the air is a threat.Period.
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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels
[This message has been edited by Ghosth (edited 03-19-2000).]
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While I'm sure RAM over reacted and maybe was a little harsh (but he did apologize, and I don't know a single pilot who hasn't over reacted at least once) I can honestly say I can feel his pain, without endorsing his methods.
Right now I fly the P-51. And yes while it is possible to get kills with the .50 cals, its a slow and tedious process. Usually you don't get the quick and easy, one pass or snapshot kills.
You stalk the enemy, make several passes and wear him down thru attrition, with long bursts from convergence.
I don't know how many times I have engaged an enemy, shot off his tail, seen him tumbling out of the sky (straight down) totally disabled, and then see a cannon bird sweep in , take a momentary burst, and then they get the kill.
Cannons and Machine Guns are in totally seperate magnitudes of damage, and it wasn't like this in most of the beta.
Its totally disheartening.
Especially since assists, don't count for anything at all. Just like Ghosth said, its not equitable in the least. Assists should at least count for 1/3, or even better 1/2, in the scoring formulas.
Anyways, RAM .... bad boy bad boy! But at least you were man enought to apologize (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mongrels, welcome to AH! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) From my point of view, I would suggest accepting RAM's apology and writting it off to a bad night, we all have them and I'm sure it wasn't meant as a personal insult.
{Vermillion of the 25 kills to 20 assists ratio clan, and crappy rankings because of it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) }
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Desperately trying to figure out why Kamikaze Pilots wore helmets"
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Originally posted by RAM:
mmm...ammo I guess you talk about me. Yes I was somewhat abrupt at first I told him literally :"thankyou for trying to kill my target...now I know for who I'll never dive to clear his 6"...He answered that he thought he was helping and as I saw he was a newbie I told him calmly that when a con is going down in flames and without a wing, then you dont have to shoot at him.
People IQ must have drop in the past couple years when they don't know that planes without wing and smoke coming out of it, doesn't fly really well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(and graphics have even improved in last couple years, so that can't be a problem either)
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Last, while the mongrels may be new to AH, we are not new to air combat. Any plane still in the air is a threat.Period.
IMO this sums it up and goes paralell to how I feel about this. The issue "Stealing of Kills" really seems trivial, at least to me.
However; I can see how it might matter to some players interested in score. For those players, keep in mind the that the MA is a "Stirred Cauldron of Confusing Manipulations". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
There is no way things ever go exactly the way you want them to go. You are going to lose kills to other players and sometimes get free ones. For the most part it evens out. Lighten up, it will be more fun.
Mongrels welcome to AH. Good Luck! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 03-19-2000).]
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On many, many occasions in WB's and now in AH, I have dove on an enemy that was chasing a country mate. Typically I am left with 2 choices because there is not enough time to do both. Here they are:
1) Take my hands off the controls and type a 6 call to my countrymate and then do my best to recover control and get to the con. All the while I must hope my country mate sees the 6 call and has very good defensives to avoid death.
2) Dive on the con, hope my countrymate's SA is high and try to kill the con before the con kills him. If my country mate makes a nice drag then it is over quickly and hopefully my country mate survives.
So which would you rather have? Personally I'd prefer you dive in on the guy as quickly as possible. My SA is my responsibility and hopefully I can give you a decent drag so you can kill the bastige. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hobo
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I have felt the pain of speading a ton of time to set a con up for the kill and stip them down to a wingless fuselage and have someone follow it clear down to the ground. I fly on and think oh well look at him blow his E. I have cursed to myself as I am 200 out shooting and a friendly crosses and I take kill shooter hits. I am sure at some point in time that I have accidently done the same.
I don't play for score I play for the team. I have been on fumes for fuel and turned to try to help a friendly. I have jumped into 2vs10 to try to help a friendly outta a bad spot.
I don't know how many times a single wing or 1 1/2 wing plane has ditched or shot back. If someone else as the angle before I can get around then kill em. I have many times ditched with not much plane left, figure if he didnt' finish the job tough luck. The other day I had a 4 kill sortie with 2 of em comin with only 1/2 wing on the right side of my 1D.
My long winded point is a kill is a kill no matter who gets it. I value assists just as much as kills. Matter of fact a good assist feels better than a kill alot of times. I will always look at helping the teammates and always welcome someone finishing off anything that has 1/2 a chance of ditching or shooting back. Now if they don't have any wings I tend to mutter to myself here at home but without drones offline I guess these make good practice targets (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Rocket
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[This message has been edited by Rocket (edited 03-19-2000).]
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BTW, RAM lived after that incident.
Since RAM has already made up his mind, this is for everyone else.
RAM was below me and a little ahead. I look down and see him fire. About that time he is out of icon range and all I have is his dot.
I start to descend to see what he's shooting at. I think it was a 109 I spot and dive on his 6 for the kill. I did not see RAM or any other cons till I level out. I think RAM killed another con while I was on the 109 but, I'm not sure.
From what showed on my monitor, there was no 6 call to make or not make.
[This message has been edited by Rock (edited 03-19-2000).]
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LOL...
the people who take the time to scam a wingless smoking fuselage from the guy who made it that way say the other guy is too worried about score. My all time favorite is when you dump all your alt and E to save a guy who is calling for help and he makes sure to finshish of that fuselage for ya. Usually while someone else is on your six...
BUT.
Some times that wing you see rip off during your snap shot is only an outer wing section.. some of these planes are still very dangourous in that condition or at least can still ditch. I think most of us can tell the difference by what happens. Some people ya want to fly with some you dont.
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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RAM---THX <S>
I guess it bothered me only becuase I knew it bothereed my squadie. He was new and he didn't know. To your credit you turned civil very quickly.
I am like this---if I am engaged on a con--I welcome the help--the wing--the 6 call-- and I dont care who gets credit for the Kill. WE got him. WE had fun.
[This message has been edited by -ammo- (edited 03-19-2000).]
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AMMO
332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm)
without us the Air Force is just another scheduled Airlines
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Ammo: Thanks for accepting my apologies. When I fly I know I get very hot blooded, and sometimes over react...<S> and sorry again to your squaddie (I cant recall his callsign sorry)
Ghosht:
Your idea is good, but sadly I think that it would made things much worser...right now is usual to see 4 or 5 planes after a single running con...and that knowing that only one will get the kill. If the kill is given in equal parts, then we'll se real hunts... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
But I agree in something...Give a BUNCH of points (say a x3 modifier) if you land your kills. Right now I keep on being killed while avoid Headons. I doubt a lot that people will risk their points in suicide attacs such as a headon. Right now very few people cares to die as long as he gets the enemy too. THAT would be an improvement...
Rock: I was on another con, I bounced it and killed it. I Zoomed then, checked 3,9, and 6...no cons visual. Then I started typing an asnwer to a wtg of my squaddies while zooming. Then I saw the tracers all alround me, some pings ...I dived as fast as I could while rolling, looked back and I saw the 109 with you on his six. YOu killed it. YOu'll excuse me if I dont believe your explanation, because I was going level and straight up while the 109 got into my 6 (in a blind spot, for sure.I checked for cons as I ussually do after a kill). You must have seen me going straight up in a F4U with a 109 near me. That is a clear unaware situation. Its your choice to call my 6 or not to call it. You didnt so please dont try to make me think that you "thought" I was aware. Its a book situation of a surprise attack. I evaded death by a few. If you'd have called my six (easy to write "RAM 6") I would've tried to evade or drag or...
But you choose to say nothing. Its okay with me is your choice. But I pay with same coin.
Anyway I wont say more about this, rock. Enough flames for today.
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Hi all
I agree with you entirely Rocket...
Originally posted by Rocket:
My long winded point is a kill is a kill no matter who gets it. I value assists just as much as kills. Matter of fact a good assist feels better than a kill alot of times. I will always look at helping the teammates and always welcome someone finishing off anything that has 1/2 a chance of ditching or shooting back. Now if they don't have any wings I tend to mutter to myself here at home but without drones offline I guess these make good practice targets (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Rocket
If the bandit has lost a wing and is in a flat spin and is still emptying his ammo then he could easily get a lucky shot on one of your team mates... it's happened to me (lucky shot to a P51 rad doesn't take much to stop ya), so unless the bandit is in a vertical dive then i'd sooner someone finish him/her (P/C!!) off! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Regards all
'Nexx'
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And what, sir, were you doing so close to a broken-wing con?
"Honest, I was just escorting him to the ground. I wasn't planning on shootin' or nothin'"
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I have been shot down a few times by f4u's and niks with 1/2 a wing gone and have gotten kills while in the same condition. I dont figure a guy is dead unless an entire wing is gone or all the aft control surfaces are missing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Shamus
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Maybe I didnt explained it well...the plane had the ENTIRE left wing destroyed and was falling out of control at all, in flames.
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No one is dead until there is a puff of smoke. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I have seen Shamus get kills while having half a wing no engine and flaming (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
imho even if the plane is going strait down he may still be deadly. lots of times while cons are folowing and if take damage i will go strait down and even get into spins to convince cons that i am dean. Then when i am clear i level out and go back to hunting. With the abilty of players in this game if a plane has any chances at all no mater how small they can be deadly.
Btw with 6 calls not every one can type well.
if the friendly is close i will try to clear his 6 or even fire a burst past him to make him look back
Its just the way i do it
Trell
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As long as the bastiage is dead!
I stole one of Bloom's kills once! Remember that Bloom????
Sourkrau stole one of mine, I didn't get upset because I cannot shoot worth crap!! He saved me the embarrasment of the con reversing on me and shooting me down!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) People I'm not joking, I'm a terrible shot!!
I had Sharky dead to nuts last week and he did that damn back and forth stuff with a P-51 and blew me out of the air!
Rocket was right on!! IMHO! As long as the bastiage is DEAD!!! If I can knock off an aierlon and that helps someone else get that kill, that is super! Frankly I don't give a rats butt! Even though I did pick on Sour for awhile. He told me if I would quit messin around he wouldn't have to finish up my kills for me. Ya know what? He was right!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I do have a hard time saddling up!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
This is all my opinion, what I believe. Noone is right or wrong! Things like this will happen so ya have to learn to deal with it. Just like the impossible turns I seen a particular Spit do tonite. Again! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Someday I will get a film of it!
I'm gona start stealing some of Ripsnort's kills. Just follow him around. Yea! Both him and Weazel! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Swager
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/swager.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 03-19-2000).]
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LOL! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Swager, you're too much! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I was on when Ram got angry but after we discussed what had happened on private he apologized for blowing up. <S> to him for that.
Now for the Kill stealing that goes on well I must say that it bugs the crap outta me.
You work and work to take a guys wings off then pull up to save ammo and/or alt only to see a teammate fly down and blow him up before he hits the ground.
I even got to a point were I was telling everyone the guy is dead so they won't go after them but to no avail.
The bad part is that it's not just the newbies who do it. I've seen some of the so called Vets follow behind people so they can get the easy kills.
I'm not big on scores but it really gets me when I have to waste ammo on a dead plane just so I don't pad someone else's score.
I try not to say anything about kill stealing on open channel because all you get is the old comment "If he is in the air he is fair game".
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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Originally posted by Swager:
I'm gona start stealing some of Ripsnort's kills. Just follow him around. Yea! Both him and Weazel! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The way I've been flying lately, you might qualify for food stamps after following me around!
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Ripsnort(-rip1-)
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
Aces High Training Corps
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/190srip.gif)
"Some people are only alive because it is illegal to shoot them."
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*Saw opens the Valium box, pics 4 out and hands them over to RAM*........
"Here, this should be enough for the hour..."
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Greetings gents
I am no good at flying figther I am a bomber guy but even so I do have the same minding then ROCKET TEAMWORK IS MUCH BETER
THAN A totally tubular KILL instead of crying its my kill no its not is mine yac yac yac yac and
have a bad temper will never arrenge nothing
cause by your attitude other poeple will think twice befor saluting you when they see you in the air.
Remember guys its a GAMEfew times
I heard(on RW)one of my teamate telling another one that he did earase from the map
the ennemy's headquarters or another bldg
even if I was there befor and did that job
I didn't say a dam thing why should I its
a gameand we have funn as long as a
teamate is happy I am and will always be there for each one of you no mater if I know
you or not.
I love getting mad at the ennemy but I will never have this minding about
KNIGHTScause they are my teammates.
RAMit is not the first time you lost your temper good fellow and I thing (as you
are a studant) you should study your attitude towerds others if I have a bad day
and feel grumpy I dont go to play agame on Aces High cause I know myself well anough
and surely will squeak at one of my teamate
that is a gross stupidity to be earase from
any kind of game.
You are a very good figther (I have seen your work in the air) and lot of people seems to like you so cmon man......
keep your smileand enjoy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://www.greenforce.net/air/ranker/ranker3.gif)
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Best regards gents :)
Ranker...out!!!
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I don't purposely swoop in to steal anyone's kills. But I do believe in tagging a few into an enemy if he presents himself to me. Enough to help kill or give the advantage to my teammate.
The problem that I have run across is what to do when I see a 1v1. I don't want to infringe on the dogfight, but then again I figure this is a team game and the other team must die, so do I join the fight and make it a 2v1, possibly stealing a kill? More often than not, I hold back and try to keep an eye on the situation. And that's where I run into trouble. I keep an eye on the situation as best as possible, but miss a few key seconds, and suddenly my teammate is the one who is in trouble! Since I've decided to stay back, and lost sight of the fight for some key seconds, I am no longer in a position to intervene and clear six.
I have lost 3 or 4 teammates this way in the last week. While I don't want to be accused of being a kill-stealer, I may become more aggresive and not stay out of the fight. I think I would rather help the team and down the enemy rather than be afraid of being accused of being a kill-stealer and end up with a dead teammate.
Fury
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Ranker: the basic of my flying is that I always do all by pure instinct. And doing so,the temper goes up. I look the situation and dont think, I do or dont do...But I dont think. I see whats around me, the cons, the friendlies...and then I choose to run away or go in, to call a 6 or clear a mate's 6...all by instinct. You can say that when I fly I am a hole different guy...and I am!! Thats why I get hot blooded, and to ask me to stop doing it is to ask me to kill my flying way...What I can do and I try to do is to calm down...sometimes I still lose my nerve, but I'm working hard in this. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) and I try always to shut up...except on HO dweeb attacks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Sometimes, as with Ammo's teammate I really get angry and explode. I dont think in it I simply say what its on my mind...as soon as I think on it I see what is wrong and what is right...I know, I know. I promise I'm working hard on controlling these things...
and BTW if you knew me in person you wont recognize me. In "air" i am a complete different guy, as I said. In "land" I am a calm guy...believe me cuz is like that.
Fury, the situation you say is a perfect example of a NO kill steal what you do is PERFECT!. I NEVER complain when someone helps me. I DO complain if you see a wingless (no wingtip-less WINGLESS) burning plane falling down and you try to shoot it. They are quite different things, so <S> to you and keep on helping people.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 03-20-2000).]
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I agree Fury, when does holding back endanger your team mate (who loses control of the situation) or swooping in consitute a steal? Thank God its a game, hey (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) For my mind, I might momentarily resent losing a kill (that I was prolly taking to long with)but the only "Steals" that really chap me are the ones where the guy screams in over my shoulder WHILE I am saddled up from 300yrds out and I shoot my own arse off.....grrrrrr
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Kill them All,
let God, er HiTech sort them out.
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Milo
"A MiG on your 6 is better than no MiG at all"
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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Just an FYI. I am taking notes here.
I'll do anything to move upwards from being the pilot who's score puts him in position 358 on the list.
-Westy
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Welcome Mongrels to Aces High!
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[This message has been edited by NineZ (edited 03-20-2000).]