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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: HaHa on January 27, 2000, 04:07:00 PM
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I've been flying online sims for years now. CK first and then WB. I have never been nearly as frustrated EVER in those games as I am often in AH.
- are the quality of pilots better?
- do these people somehow have an edge ? (better stick, faster comp. what??
- is my joystick breaking down?
All I know is around 70% of the time I dive on somebody (with E), they start turning I either 1) follow them - then they somehow twist on me and accelerate fast enough to catch me!! (I'm in a c.205 they in a bf109/f4u whatever) 2) go past them and then climb, they then proceed to outclimb me and get me on my turn back 3) OR I turn, get a bead on them then the blackouts start happening and I can't see anything
Now if somebodies got E on me I lose every single time.. no matter what move I do (unless a split S), they always get the deflection shot on me.. what the @#%# is happening here??
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Just a guess...
I don't mean to be a flight instructor here, so bear with me if you know this already:
If a con is diving on me, I will dive shallow to gain a little E. When he gets 1.2 I will pull up in a 2-3G climb. If the enemy seems to be pulling lead I pull a little tighter until he is forced into overshoot or levels out. The moment that happens I roll my cockpit toward the enemy, pull back, roll upright for the shot. You would be surprised how easy this is to do.
Having too much smash on a bounce can be used against you if you aren't using it right. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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HaHA,
If its any consolation, I know exactly how you feel.
It is my opinion that the average caliber of pilot here is higher than in any single other sim. Why? Because the cream of the crop from all the other places is concentrating here. As I've told my squadmates: This is where the big dawgs are gathering.
I was flying agianst a hog pilot today and he was simply awsome. I've always considered the hawg a real pig. But this guys made the thing sing. Win, lose, or draw it made you just want to jump up out of your chair and applaude. Sad to say I didn't catch his handle or take the time to complement him online because there were other cons to address.
Its like playing high school ball. In high school, its easy to end up being a big fish in a small pond. Then you go to college and see that there all the other big fish have gathered from their local ponds and you realize its a whole different ball game.
The bad news is that its going to get worse. At least now you get the occational casual player who wanders in and you can pound mercilessly until he runs back to quake shreeking in horror. Once it goes pay, every swinging stick in there is going to be a natural born killer. All the freebies will be gone.
The good news is thats the way you'd want it right? I mean I want to fight the biggest, badest MoFo's I can find. Otherwise, when ever you were whacking some dweeb, you'd always be wondering if you could have hacked it in the show. And its got to be making you a better pilot right? No easy on your ego, but do you want to strut or do you want to start from scratch and learn how to be a fighter pilot? If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere. ;>
Grab you a ball and glove, and welcome to the bigs.
Regards,
Wab
[This message has been edited by AKWabbit (edited 01-27-2000).]
[This message has been edited by AKWabbit (edited 01-27-2000).]
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HaHa,
What Dolomite said above is one of the better defenses to a hi alt bounce. It's a good way to turn a defensive move into an offensive move (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for being outclimbed, of course some planes climb better than others. Another factor is how you start your climb. If you pull too many G's in the initial climb you'll burn off E faster. If your angle is too steep you'll burn E faster. This could be a problem. Or the con could have more speed than you think also.
So many factors to instantly calculate (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) hehehehe I love it. I cant even do regular geometry, but I can cut precise angles across moving circles on the fly. Gotta love this hobby (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
udie
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"Once it goes pay, every swinging stick in there is going to be a natural born killer."
Wabbit; you sure hit THAT nail square on the head. Never have I seen so MANY superb pilots in one place as I have here.
Ever hear of the term "Ace Factor"? Consider that most of the guys in here have more 'combat time' under the guns of an enemy than ANYBODY in WWII..
Scary concept..
Hang
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"Once it goes pay, every swinging stick in there is going to be a natural born killer. All the freebies will be gone."
Um. Not really guys. See.....
I'll be in there.
-BigFatTarget
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The maneuvering after blackout is a bit annoying. If you're having trouble, remember to zoom when in doubt. If they make a move and you think you might miss, call off the pass before you overshoot and give them a shot. Zoom, get over them, and try again. Eventually you'll figure out their move (most guys repeat too much) or you'll get lucky. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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>Ever hear of the term "Ace Factor"?
>Consider that most of the guys in here have
>more 'combat time' under the guns of an
>enemy than ANYBODY in WWII..
>Scary concept..
Heheh.
Gives me a stiff carrot just thinking about all the great fights to come. And maybe I'll even win one of them. :>
LoL,
Wab
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Rgr that Wab.. Just one at a time.. the rest just mess with my frame rates. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Welcome to the shark pond. See, they are all happy to see you. There smiling. See all the teeth
[This message has been edited by TT (edited 01-27-2000).]
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HaHa;
I might suggest that you always attack your target from below, following a dive. This is called a "Swoop Dive" attack.
After diving in, level off slightly below the targets altitude. Pull into a guns firing pass using a low G pull up.
Try not to get caught with your nose pointed down and the NME's nose pointed up or level. Unless you have tons of smash or you guns solution is very good.
"Roll into a rolling scissor, not away"
"Turn to Kill, not to Engage"
My 2 cents. Good Luck! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Westy comment about his flying was to lead us into a false sense of security.
We have all seen you fly, and have seen your name in the kill zone of the scroll.
Nice try Westy but it won't work here! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yes it is true "things are nasty here"
Once the squads start getting more organized and fly together more often it is going to get down right nastier!
I don't watch a boomim and zoomin F4U too long, I get out of Dodge! Same with the P-51. I seen a N1K1 maneuver my pants off at low alt once! There are C205 masters that make your eyes bleed. A finely piloted 109 can cause you nightmares! I know, I've had them! Laying in bed later, wondering what the hell happened!
This is a no toejamter! Once taking off from a semi vulched field. One ack up! I was leveling out, two P-51s went zooming over my head at about 400 MPH. Quickly caught up to Sourkrau and dusted him with a short burst and then zoomed up. They were right next to each other. It was beautiful! Sour told me later he never knew what hit him! True Masters!
Oh Yea, Baby!!!!
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
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Isn't this place grand!! I've had so many good dogfights.....woohoo! I love it!!
Thorns_Musketeer
CO Musketeer Escadrille
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What everyone has said!!!
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Member of the Flying Elvis's...AH's most elite parachute team...
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What Dolomite said. Also, bear in mind that 109 can use rudder to slice into your yoyo turns. I think you have seen it at work against your 205.
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Man, this reminds me of when I started playing WarBirds for the first time. I didn't actually hit anybody for about a day. I never actually shot somebody down for a damn week.
Currently the only way that I am able to be successfull is with my brother Franz and work as a team using team based tactics.
Together we killed about three to five guys before one of us gets shot down.
When I tried this game without his help I got stomped. Last run solo I was 0-5 and logged off.
Hans.
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"Once it goes pay, every swinging stick in there is going to be a natural born killer. All the freebies will be gone."
Not a chance ! Mr Target will still be there for you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I usualy manage to get 1/1 kill death for the moment, wnen flying Solo (not a choice) and get some much better results when i fly with a wingie, or if I just follow someone...
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Saint
DCO 186th Wardogs (Falcon4 Squad)
http://www.wardogs.org/ (http://www.wardogs.org/)
"Firepower Mate, that is what separates the men from the boys..."
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HaHa,
One other thing to keep in mind: lateral separation. In that BnZ scenario where the target breaks upwards, forcing you to overshoot under him, the key to that situation is don't follow. Instead, keep speed up, put a little distance between you (1.5k is good), then pull up into a good, strong climb, ending in an 180 immelmann. No aircraft that breaks that hard on you will be able to follow, resulting in either the target diving away, or the target ending up right below you (1.0-2.0k). Either way, you retain superior position.
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leonid
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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Originally posted by Westy:
"Once it goes pay, every swinging stick in there is going to be a natural born killer. All the freebies will be gone."
Um. Not really guys. See.....
I'll be in there.
-BigFatTarget
And I am his wingman! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
KKEN
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HaHa I'm one of the guys that will get you to miss me then kill you right after. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just like Dolomite said I will wait till you are close then roll and when I come around I will have a quick shot on you.
If I don't kill you I will at least hurt you bad enough you won't be able to do much.
As far as the quality of the players in here getting better..well I hope so. I learn something new everytime I fly and I hope the other pilots do to.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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i just wish there was a place to see some of the thing that these aces are using against me so i can get the kill for a change !
i know i know use the film. but you dont get to see all the controls ajustment the other pilot makes. another thing i cant under stand is how a plane can break right as you come by at 400 ias then break back left in behind you and still have enuff time to get a shot off.