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Title: just wondering
Post by: bagrat on February 05, 2006, 12:28:06 AM

20mm are bullets that have a small charge in them causing them to be explosive, rite?

could someone expalin how much of an exlosion it creates in comparrision to something, and how much of the bullet is explosive?

TY

Title: just wondering
Post by: B@tfinkV on February 05, 2006, 12:40:01 AM

in comparison to a flash bang stun grenade i would say, but with more flames/shrapnel and less area concusion.

if one blew while you were holding it you would be dead.


the rounds hold a small warhead in the projectile fused to detonate on impact in some cases.

Title: just wondering
Post by: bagrat on February 05, 2006, 12:44:18 AM

thanks batfink, so its not just a gunpowder explosive but a mixture of potent chemicals then. or something to that effect

Title: just wondering
Post by: RTR on February 05, 2006, 12:54:29 AM

Hi bagrat,
 the 20mm round is considerably bigger than the  rounds that you normally see out of the american or british planes (altough the later spits, hurricanes tec have them too, British planes), The Americans at that time favoured the  .50 calibre round (in itself a fair sized bb).

The difference though, is in the size of the round. A  .303 is precisley .303 of an inch.  A .50 Cal is .50- of an inch.  20 mil is  . pretty close to 3/4 of a inch in diameter. It was a pretty devastating round, even then with no explosive charge.

So, In answer to your question, There are no "explosive" bullets here in AH. Only different Calibers (and by weight and type different trajectories).

Hope this makes sense to you. (I'm a bit beebled tonight, but welcome to the BBSa and Acesd HIgh
cheers,

RTR

Title: just wondering
Post by: DipStick on February 05, 2006, 12:58:21 AM

Quote

Originally posted by RTR
Hi bagrat,
 the 20mm round is considerably bigger than the  rounds that you normally see out of the american or british planes (altough the later spits, hurricanes tec have them too, British planes), The Americans at that time favoured the  .50 calibre round (in itself a fair sized bb).

The difference though, is in the size of the round. A  .303 is precisley .303 of an inch.  A .50 Cal is .50- of an inch.  20 mil is  . pretty close to 3/4 of a inch in diameter. It was a pretty devastating round, even then with no explosive charge.

So, In answer to your question, There are no "explosive" bullets here in AH. Only different Calibers (and by weight and type different trajectories).

Hope this makes sense to you. (I'm a bit beebled tonight, but welcome to the BBSa and Acesd HIgh
cheers,

RTR

Wrong. ;)

Title: just wondering
Post by: B@tfinkV on February 05, 2006, 01:06:57 AM

enlighten us then.

Title: just wondering
Post by: RTR on February 05, 2006, 01:17:34 AM

oooh!

I can hardly wait!

RTR

Title: just wondering
Post by: ColdKill on February 05, 2006, 02:02:58 AM

Quote

Originally posted by RTR
Hi bagrat,
 the 20mm round is considerably bigger than the  rounds that you normally see out of the american or british planes (altough the later spits, hurricanes tec have them too, British planes), The Americans at that time favoured the  .50 calibre round (in itself a fair sized bb).

The difference though, is in the size of the round. A  .303 is precisley .303 of an inch.  A .50 Cal is .50- of an inch.  20 mil is  . pretty close to 3/4 of a inch in diameter. It was a pretty devastating round, even then with no explosive charge.

So, In answer to your question, There are no "explosive" bullets here in AH. Only different Calibers (and by weight and type different trajectories).

Hope this makes sense to you. (I'm a bit beebled tonight, but welcome to the BBSa and Acesd HIgh
cheers,

RTR

Wrong

Title: just wondering
Post by: B@tfinkV on February 05, 2006, 03:49:51 AM

holy crap will one of you dweebs tell us why its wrong? I'm not doubting its wrong, but simply typing 'wrong' instaed of explaning why its wrong is just kinda wrong.

Title: just wondering
Post by: zorstorer on February 05, 2006, 04:10:51 AM

I'll try to Bat....

The Tony Williams site is great btw  :)

The typical 20mm round contains about 6-22% of its total weight in explosive material.

The high end of that percentage is for the german minengeschoss round.

So the 20mm Mine round would contain about 36 grams of explosive material.

The M67 hand grenade holds about 184 grams of explosive.

So while the hand grenade hold much more explosive material you need to remember that you also have to factor in the kinetic potential of the round also.

Then again Tony goes into all of this on his site.  Here is the main page...

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/

Also here is the page in question if you don't want to hunt around

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

Hope this helps :)

Title: just wondering
Post by: viper215 on February 05, 2006, 11:14:59 AM

303s are way better

Title: just wondering
Post by: reeb on February 05, 2006, 11:18:18 AM

303's FTW!

Title: just wondering
Post by: viper215 on February 05, 2006, 11:31:09 AM

:huh

Title: just wondering
Post by: zorstorer on February 05, 2006, 11:57:02 AM

RTR you guys listen to Ian Tyson up there much?

Title: just wondering
Post by: RTR on February 05, 2006, 02:23:24 PM

LOL Ian who??

Thanks for pointing out the error btw


RTR

Title: just wondering
Post by: zorstorer on February 05, 2006, 02:24:34 PM

Folk singer has a big ranch up there in northern Alberta.

Cowboy poetry.....not like Brokeback Mountain though ;)

Title: just wondering
Post by: Schatzi on February 05, 2006, 03:53:29 PM

303s rule! :)