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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Lazerr on January 11, 2019, 11:04:27 AM
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I am at the very end of Centurylink DSL service range, it actually feels more like dialup. Ive had this service for a year after buying a home out in the sticks. Long story short, its slow. This 109 meg patch for the game is currently taking me 30+ minutes.
Ive got some quotes on a few satelitte providers, and the prices are pretty decent for the speed being offered. One was HughesNet Gen5, the other was Exceed or whatever the hell they call it now. Is it worth it the difference of 30bucks from what I pay now? Is it flat out garbage to game on? I currently cant stream or anything, and satelitte would allow this, but I also dont want to lose my ability to play AH smoothly, which my current provider does fine with.
Just looking for some feedback!
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For what has been told here through the years, satellite connections aren't good for a smooth AH experience. Supposedly the situation hasn't changed since the distance to the satellites and the speed of radio waves haven't changed.
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I’d stick with what you have. I’ve had sat. It’s not the best for gaming.
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Just my 2 cents. I have the best internet anyone could wish for and my download of the new game took half a day. Sometimes the HTC servers are not your friend. So it could be related to that.
DutchVII
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With Sats the weather will come into play. When you are stuck inside it will also mean you may have no net.
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Just my 2 cents. I have the best internet anyone could wish for and my download of the new game took half a day. Sometimes the HTC servers are not your friend. So it could be related to that.
DutchVII
This...AH needs stability more than anything. I'd say DSL is slower but more stable than Satellite.
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no to satellite your round trip time goes into space and back creating another blakjack. blackhole of rounds and planes.
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Once someone gets their low earth orbit internet (https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24032033-300-the-first-detailed-look-at-how-elon-musks-space-internet-could-work) going, it might be ok ping-wise. But geo-stationary sats are 1/10th of the way to the moon, ping is crazy high.
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The speed of the connection is irrelevant, it is the latency of the connection that makes satellite difficult for doing anything real time.
Satellite connections can have latencies up to 3 seconds, easily.
Just my 2 cents. I have the best internet anyone could wish for and my download of the new game took half a day. Sometimes the HTC servers are not your friend. So it could be related to that.
DutchVII
The servers have little to do with this. The maximum download speed, per download, is capped at 100MB/s. The server has little trouble delivering that speed to hundreds of connections at a a time.
It can be Internet related, especially for any overseas connections. It can also be that your particular computer just has a problem reaching maximum download speed when downloading the "stdshapes.res" file. We know some computers have trouble with that, but have no idea why. It bothers us enough to cause us to look to other methods of getting that file to the system. I have yet to find a computer which exhibits the issue, which makes it nearly impossible to debug.
Many have reported simply canceling the download and restarting the installation corrected the problem for them. The installation software is not something we created. It is the Nullsoft package, which is used by a number of applications. We just provide the script.
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Just my 2 cents. I have the best internet anyone could wish for and my download of the new game took half a day. Sometimes the HTC servers are not your friend. So it could be related to that.
DutchVII
Then you don't have the best internet anyone could wish for. I have Gbps fibre (1Gbps down, unlimited traffic, we use about 2Tb of data a month), what do you have?
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some thing to look at are:
location in your neighborhood, are you at the end?
Do you have a lot of squirrels, raccoons etc
Have you checked the condition of your wires in your attic/crawl space?
how does the connection to your utility pole look?
there are physical aspects that can crush your internet.
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Are the squirrels and raccoons armed?
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I am at the very end of Centurylink DSL service range, it actually feels more like dialup. Ive had this service for a year after buying a home out in the sticks. Long story short, its slow. This 109 meg patch for the game is currently taking me 30+ minutes.
Ive got some quotes on a few satelitte providers, and the prices are pretty decent for the speed being offered. One was HughesNet Gen5, the other was Exceed or whatever the hell they call it now. Is it worth it the difference of 30bucks from what I pay now? Is it flat out garbage to game on? I currently cant stream or anything, and satelitte would allow this, but I also dont want to lose my ability to play AH smoothly, which my current provider does fine with.
Just looking for some feedback!
ok my friend-I'm know a little bit about satellite internet-because I had Excede for 3 years-service is interrupted when it rains, it sometimes does a auto reset at 2 or 3 am, I had 25mb's per second download-my ping rate in the game was in the 600's stayed around 650-had latency in gv's{ Kilroy used to get so mad hehe}I had no problems flying at least nobody ever said anything. maybe once a month or 2 it would just cut off, and I would have to call in. installation is free, they supply the steel post approx. 6ft. (hvy duty) and the cement, u supply the 1/2 gallon of water maybe less, they have you under a 2 year contract, if you break the contract it's approx. $350.00 dollars. download speeds where pretty good, very little if any buffering. just had that latency with gv's. I don't know anything about Hughesnet, it's not available where I live. oh and Excede does not do Satellite tv. but you could get a digital antenna, Amazon has all kinds of kits. hope this helps <S>
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I used satellite internet for over a decade as a full time RVer. When we started out in 04 it was the only way to guaranty you had internet service as you traveled the country. I also became a hughesnet installer for other RVers and trained them how to find the bird when they parked and set up the dish each day. Long story short, the delay from transmission from the PC through the modem then uplink to the bird, which is NOT locked to your signal constantly, then down to the ground receive station which then routes it through their ground cable connection etc caused a latency of 2 seconds. I tried it on a couple of online games. I found that most often I was dead as soon as I "spawned", because to the others I sat there immobile for at least 2 seconds.
If you are going to "real time" game you must have a wire connection or use WIFI to a dedicated wired connection locally. Satellite will simply not cut it. Physics and the design of the system is not going to allow it.
I dropped satellite when the phone system, especially 4G, became very available where we traveled. using the phone as a modem (called tethering by the cell folks) by plugging in the USB charge cable to the PC USB connection, especially a 3.0 style USB connection made online gaming a viable option. I still had lags of 125 ms but that was far more playable than 2+ seconds. I was also limited by the data limits of the cell company. I bit the bullet and got 25 gigs a month through Verizon. It was still cheaper than Hughesnet with only a 270 Meg daily download limit except for the times of 2 AM to 5 AM Eastern time. Hughesnet has changed their system somewhat and not is all spot beamed so not viable for RVers.
If you have 4G cell phone signal but it's weak, you might want to invest in a cell signal booster that also supports data transmission to make it a viable option for you.
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When i first moved in, I played using my cell phone as a hot spot. It was okay, download speeds on any large file were my only complaint. I think ill stick with my Centurylink after reading you guys' replies. Maybe ill get lucky and spectrum will end up out here some day. Or maybe they will upgrade the speed of my DSL. I cant complain about the playability of aces high on it, i rarely see warping.
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When i first moved in, I played using my cell phone as a hot spot. It was okay, download speeds on any large file were my only complaint. I think ill stick with my Centurylink after reading you guys' replies. Maybe ill get lucky and spectrum will end up out here some day. Or maybe they will upgrade the speed of my DSL. I cant complain about the playability of aces high on it, i rarely see warping.
I'm in the same boat as you... I'm stuck with CenturyLink, because Spectrum doesn't reach my town yet. About 20 miles away from it... :angry:
Coogan
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Lazerr, if you still can use the cell phone as a hot spot and if the rated speed is higher than in your DSL, using the cell phone for faster downloads and the DSL for a stable gaming experience might be a workaround. That's two if's there...
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@Skuzzy
That makes sense.
Then you don't have the best internet anyone could wish for. I have Gbps fibre (1Gbps down, unlimited traffic, we use about 2Tb of data a month), what do you have?
The town I live in used to be the testing village in the Netherlands for fiberglass connections. I got pretty much the same.. although the profiler (lijbrant/Kadaka) switched hands which originally set it up and servers where moved. There server park used to be less than 2km away from my house. The company(KPN) that owns it now is notably less interested in expanding there fiberglass network. And is working to fall back on there old network and improve that. (It's cheaper for them and they got a monopoly)
Out of pure spite I actually moved to another provider this weekend. At the time I was downloading the game I still had the old connection. But so far this connection doesn't seem to be half bad and latency's seem to be low.
Vulcan the issue I have with your reply here is that it looks like your trying to talk down on me while I was only trying to point out a cause. Something I struggle only with HTC servers.
DutchVII
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Lazerr, if you still can use the cell phone as a hot spot and if the rated speed is higher than in your DSL, using the cell phone for faster downloads and the DSL for a stable gaming experience might be a workaround. That's two if's there...
I think im going to give that a try.. good idea.
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Where I live my current choices are wireless, satellite and dial-up. The satellite is unusable for AH due to the high latency, which at times exceeded 10 seconds! About 10 years ago I wanted to jump back into AH after some years absence, and bought a modem and used a dial-up account because it was the best available gaming connection for me at the time. Now I use Verizon 4G. At my home in the mountains I need an antenna on my room connected to a signal booster inside the house. It is generally pretty good, with latency most often < 100 ms. But sometimes it's bad with lag and causes discos. I use a dedicated MiFi to provide a wifi internet connection in our home.
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Vulcan the issue I have with your reply here is that it looks like your trying to talk down on me while I was only trying to point out a cause. Something I struggle only with HTC servers.
DutchVII
The point is it doesn't matter how good your connection is, it matters how good your ISP connections are. I don't have any significant issues with HTC, haven't had for the last 20 odd years. And I'm in NZ, about as far as you can get from HTC. Take mine for example, Skuzzy says up to a 100Mbps, but I only get 12Mbps. I know for sure thats a bottleneck in the many hops from NZ to the USA. Nothing HTC can do about that.
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TWCAxew just an afterthought, if you are far away from HTC like me - try dropping your MTU size to 1420 or 1308. Your issue sounds like a black hole router is somewhere upstream of you where packet size and fragmentation causes intermittent packet loss.
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Getting the most speed out of any connection that may traverse the undersea cables is difficult. Those cables are hard limiting on how much data they can carry.
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After ditching Dish in 2013, I started using my ATT wifi or if its in use...I'll use my cell phone...either way my ping is in between 70 and 100 and I really don't see any lag
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Getting the most speed out of any connection that may traverse the undersea cables is difficult. Those cables are hard limiting on how much data they can carry.
Ummmm... Southern Cross (our main cable) carries 5.4Tbps, and we just got a new cable (Hawaiki) that can do 43Tbps. We often find the US is the choke point with poor capacity once we hit landfall. Those cables killed off the market for caching/accelerator products in NZ.
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Always sounds like a lot when you talk about the bandwidth available, but then factor a couple hundred million connections and the number shrinks pretty fast.
Yes, the routers do bottleneck things.
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Always sounds like a lot when you talk about the bandwidth available, but then factor a couple hundred million connections and the number shrinks pretty fast.
Yes, the routers do bottleneck things.
Well that's 12Mbps of raw international bandwidth for every man woman and child in NZ (including babies) :devil . Plus we have CDN pops so content like youtube and facebook don't use that bandwidth much. My Steam updates come down at around 300-400Mbps, and NNTP downloads from Europe at around the same (I switched to European NNTP servers as the US ones are the bottleneck, even though Europe is further away).
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Yes, we know the U.S. Internet infrastructure sucks. The amount of money it is going to take to upgrade the entire U.S. infrastructure could buy New Zealand and still have quite a bit of chance left over to fix our dang bridges.
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Thank you i will consider that. I don't feel like dragging this on and i will fade away *i hope*. I didn't ment to hijack the tread..
DutchVII
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Yes, we know the U.S. Internet infrastructure sucks. The amount of money it is going to take to upgrade the entire U.S. infrastructure could buy New Zealand and still have quite a bit of chance left over to fix our dang bridges.
I thought between your chinese debts and the new wall you guys were about broke? Isn't everything close over there?
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See Rule #14
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I thought between your chinese debts and the new wall you guys were about broke? Isn't everything close over there?
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Who said we had the money to fix it?
That said, tread lightly folks as this is right on the line of a rule 14 violation.
Vulcan, please stop taking the cheap shots. They are walking all over rule #4 and not helping move the discussion forward. Thank you.
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Sorry was just kidding.
TWCAxew please make sure you look into the MTU size, it can make a big difference when you are many hops from your destination.
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I forget about the MTU size. For a while there was this wildly propagated rumor about how increasing the size would help speed the connection. Utilities sprung up that did it for you as well.
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I forget about the MTU size. For a while there was this wildly propagated rumor about how increasing the size would help speed the connection. Utilities sprung up that did it for you as well.
Yeah in my previous job (I've moved on from that firewall company) we had a project that used uftp (ftp over UDP) to upload data to a DC in the USA. I was in the alpha testing, and in Australia/NZ we had a huge problem with it failing. I noticed they were use packet sizes of 1500. I tried to get them to drop the size but the devs wouldn't, I got on well with the product manager and he just told the devs to build a firmware with adjustable packet sizes for uftp, and guess what - it fixed the problem. They blamed it on crappy internet in A/NZ but once we went live the problem replicated in other parts of Asia and Europe, there we even some US states exhibiting it. Then they dropped the default MTU from 1500 to 1024.
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Yeah in my previous job (I've moved on from that firewall company) we had a project that used uftp (ftp over UDP) to upload data to a DC in the USA. I was in the alpha testing, and in Australia/NZ we had a huge problem with it failing. I noticed they were use packet sizes of 1500. I tried to get them to drop the size but the devs wouldn't, I got on well with the product manager and he just told the devs to build a firmware with adjustable packet sizes for uftp, and guess what - it fixed the problem. They blamed it on crappy internet in A/NZ but once we went live the problem replicated in other parts of Asia and Europe, there we even some US states exhibiting it. Then they dropped the default MTU from 1500 to 1024.
Sometimes they have to learn on their own. :aok
Later after setting the default lower they were probably patting each other on the back saying, "yup we fixed it". :rofl
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Hell no, I emailed them all tell them with a I told you so, and at the next tech summit we had I reminded them again :devil
I also followed up with the UDP reference docs that recommend maximum UDP packet sizes of 256 bytes.
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Hell no, I emailed them all tell them with a I told you so, and at the next tech summit we had I reminded them again :devil
I also followed up with the UDP reference docs that recommend maximum UDP packet sizes of 256 bytes.
Bazinga
:rofl