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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dobrmn on February 25, 2001, 11:40:00 PM
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I signed up for a 2 week free trial after flying Warbirds for a year and 1/2 and I gotta tell ya Aces High sucks!. The reason I left Warbirds was due to connection issues but the WB's FM and conx rules over Aces High. How and why do you put up with it??? In the tower..walk to the map room.. back in the tower, etc, etc, blah blah blah! Graphics suck, sounds suck and worse than that... the MAP sucks!. It's a miserable sim altogether...
Dob
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If ya dont like it, dont pay for it, but making a song and dance about in some vein hope that someone here might agree with you is pathetic.
Cya (much) later.
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Yeah get a new puter the 486 won't run AH properly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
btw u can't jugde this game over some hours playing
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The walk to the map room can be disabled.
AKDejaVu
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It still sucks and any vain hope for YOU to say otherwise is pathetic. The sim sucks..
What a crummy FM...I think the only reason you have people flying this sim is because they started with Aces High instead of Warbirds........Donwload the full version of Warbirds including Roboto sounds and and this sim will be left in the dust! It's just a pathetic attempt at a true WW2 flight sim.
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Funny, I left WBs after playing for a year when their service when down the sh^tt*r. I flew this game offline for around a week before actually heading for the arenas. I've held a H2H account ever since she went pay-to-play. With occasional jaunts into the arena when Pyro decides to be a nice guy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Dobrmn, if you actually WANT to give AH a try then spend some actual TIME playing offline. Get used to the system, then raid a H2H game and try things out. If you don't like it after that, THEN you have a REASON to come here and squeak about it.
Let's see here....
1) We've got guys who actually give a rip about the people here.
2) They don't get fussy when we suggest things
3) We have manable guns on carriers
4) We have planes WBs only dreams about
5) We have ground vehicles
6) We have a sim that's only 1/4 the size of WBs, and only 5 times better in quality
Let's see your whining change any of that. When it does I'll eat the spare tire from my truck.
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and
through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
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[This message has been edited by flakbait (edited 02-26-2001).]
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Roboto sounds? *CHORTLE*
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Yeah the default Aces High sounds are authentic lol.
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You're absolutely right Dobrmn, Aces High does suck! Tell ya what, I'll race ya back to WarBirds and even give ya a head start. three...two...one...GO! See ya there buddy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
SOB
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LOL SOB thanks for the head start. Dang.. gettin a smily face from an Aces High "Ace" is an honor!<S> Sorry for bad mouthing your game but I just can't how anyone can deal with the sorry flight model. Sorry if I insulted anyone...
Dob
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Funny thing is.. half the people responding in this thread probably have more experience with Warbirds than "Dobrmn" does.
Sounds like someone thought that because they were "really good at flight sims" they could come over and kick everyone's bellybutton in the arena. Its always such a letdown when that doesn't happen.
Dobrmn, don't let the fact that you've only managed to kill 2 fighters bring you down. We have a really good training core that is more than willing to teach you to fly.
AKDejaVu
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Hey wait a sec...wait a minute..what the F.... How did you know I killed two fighters tonight??? I have feeling you checked my score somewhere?? I had a rough time in combat my 2nd night and for some reason the lags were terrible and damn if I couldn't hold a cons 6 without my nose jerkin up and down. My stick is right and the way I like it but when I squeezed the trigger the delay was terrible and it took 3 or 4 seconds to recover from the bounce. Hmmm......I have a top of the line pc,vid card, stick etc...
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sounds like you might need some fine tuning , oh yeah , and a bong hit or 2 . hehe
we've had guys from aw3 say the same stuff your saying . its hard to be a newbee all over again .
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Dont agree with Dobrmn's post but....
Did you ever actually have a WB's account Flakbait?
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I fly both AH and WB... flown WB since Mac beta came out. I still like WB a lot, but mainly for scenarios. When I came to AH, I found that adapting to the flight model was very challenging, even more so back in AH version 1.00 with it's higher E-bleed model. But once I got used to it, I found that AH offers a much more precise control of my plane in AH... it feels better to me. Tactics I read about in books that were used in real life can actually be used here. Of course, I'm not a pilot so I'm essentially talking out my bellybutton when it comes to flight model matters. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
As far as the connections go, have you played WB *recently*?? They got their bandwidth throttled at the ISP to a third of what it was (not that it ever was that great of a connection). Ping times are now frequently in excess of 2000ms for many players--two whole seconds!! My connect went from 50ms to 200ms but I'm still seeing huge warps and delayed kills and deaths. WB is completely unplayable right now. AH in comparison has had rock solid connections from day one, with only occasional short warpy periods when new versions come out. There are sometimes freak discoes, but traceroutes usually show a problem somewhere in Sprint-land (damn crappy backbone provider!!).
What kind of connection you playing on Dobrmn? Why don't you take up this issue in the Internet Connectivity forum, post some traceroutes. If you're actually interested in fixing your problems I think Skuzzy and crew can help you out.
As far as the flight model goes, give it some time. It is challenging, but it will grow on you. If you're looking to jump in a cockpit and start racking up kills from day one, you're setting yourself up for bigtime disappointment, dude.
BTW, you can turn off that walk to map room, walk to plane roadkill. Click on GUI and reduce the move time all the way to zero. I think that sucks too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Oh, and to address the graphics issue, after seeing the GeForce3 demo with John Carmack showing Doom3, I'll agree with you that AH graphics suck in comparison, but it's gonna be a while before you will see photorealistic graphics like that here or in any sim. And as with WB, the graphics weren't what drew me into this game... it's the action.
As usual... my US$0.02, YMMV, etc.
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Originally posted by Dobrmn:
LOL SOB thanks for the head start. Dang.. gettin a smily face from an Aces High "Ace" is an honor!<S> Sorry for bad mouthing your game but I just can't how anyone can deal with the sorry flight model. Sorry if I insulted anyone...
hmmm...well, I touched a WWII fighter once at an airshow. I flew WarBirds into '97 and loved it, and now I fly Aces High and love it even more - mainly due to the features this sim has over WarBirds (head movement, ground vehicles, really big pizzas, etc.)
Every once and a while HT or Pyro will chime into a post here about gyroscopic this and inverse thinga-ma-jobber that and that's about the time I decide they probably know what they're talking about, have another drink and go shooting things.
heh, "Ace"...now I feel special. Here's another one for that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I`ve flown more than 4 years in Warbirds before I quitted, have not looked back since.
AH rules in all aspects, I actually dont see a single thing WB does better.
Just give it some time, and you will love it, I promise.
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[This message has been edited by lasse (edited 02-26-2001).]
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I'm with Flakbait. I left warbirds for exactly the same reasons.
Aces High Rocks.
From a Warbirds "Vet" - since CK Beta.
So is MG getting his relations to post now?
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lol I dont know why you idiots even reply to him
he isnt even a good troll.
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S!
I have only tested WB for the free 1 month trial some time ago.I didn't like it.Aces High is better,but not perfect.Even with it's small faults AH rules.
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Kersantti DB603
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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Yeah, I played online for about 4 hours once. Soured me on the entire arena concept since it was nothing but a gaggle of P-51s vs some Me 262s. I mostly stuck to offline and the occasional H2H play. Got flamed to Hell for it too.
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and
through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
(http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/htbin/delta6.jpg)
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Dude, Aces High is the best WWII flight sim/game out there.
"Whatchu talking about willis"?
-- senna
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The only thing that Warbirds has over AH is the plane set. No early or mid war planes here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Originally posted by Dobrmn:
I just can't how anyone can deal with the sorry flight model.
Dob
LOL i'm Sure that you fly WB in easy mode...
so don't say AH flight model sux...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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"Sheesh! what a lousy game.."
This from someone who never tried a bomber, vehicle, or PT/gunner sortie and only had a little over 4 hours in the MA. I have to agree with AKDejaVu.
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Dopeyman? Go figure, Hellen Keller said the same thing!
Curly
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Man o' man!
Dobey's fish locker must be overflowing by now.
Obvious troll and he's landed a load.
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3 full years of WarBirds. I'll be back there only to check WB3.
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(as for the original post) suck suck suck man if I hear any more sucking I'm going to get turned on!!!!
Ahhhh Monday Moaning and the weather is fine!
Fury
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LOL!
A very entertaining thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yeager
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Toad,
He's gonna have trouble bringing this huge load back in from the Grand Banks....He'll also bring down the price for fish with as many as he is catching.
Cobra
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Just in case your serious (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Your handling "Bounce" problem can be altered by going into setup, Joysticks, there are loads of options to adjust.
Personally i have damping and dead zone on zero as i hate the damping effect.
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Damn! Your right! This sim does suck. I cant believe i actually paid for this crap, and enjoyed myself. I thank you for pointing out that I really wasnt haveing fun the last year. Hitech really pulled the wool over my eyes. I eagerly await seeing you in WBs. Maby we should exchange icq numbers so we can chat between discoes. <S>
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When I first started playing AH, from leaving Fighter Ops which was a Warbirds mini clone on AOL, run by Warbirds staff. I thought AH was much Harder,but with awesome grafics,far better than FO. So I opened an account with Warbirds and flew over there when I got frustrated with AH, but I never gave up on learning how to enjoy this the game. It took sometime, but well worth it. I closed my account with Warbirds 2 months ago and don't regret it. Give this game a chance before you judge it. I'm possitive you will change your mind with in 6 months
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NHFoxtro
-XO-NightHawks
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NightHawks "WE BAD"
[This message has been edited by NHFoxtro (edited 02-26-2001).]
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Yeah, surely you all can see that the person who started this topic is not qualified to talk about flight sims.. His evaluation is way off.
On Sprint issue.. Couldn't agree with you more.. it plain sucks.
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I fooled with WB a while, never opened an account but played with it offline on and off since about 2 years ago. Compared to AH WB looks....cartoonish..? Thats the best way I can put it..and the FM feels like it void of atmosphere, I doubt anyone but me can understand what I mean but oh well...
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LOL Rosco! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Dobrmn, yer killing me, man. Must be the connection on your end, because for this 4+ year Warbirder, the connections to AH are sweet compared to the crappy connections I had to Warbirds. You're either a very good troller, or you haven't spent much time in getting things setup to your liking.
Thanks for all the fish! <S>
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Originally posted by Dobrmn:
Graphics suck, sounds suck and worse than that... the MAP sucks!. It's a miserable sim altogether...
Dob
LOL! I thought the same thing when I wandered over to the IEN site on Saturday to check out the progress of Vaporbirds III. I saw the Pic of the Week, and I thought "WTF, Fighter Duel Pro is still on the web?" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) You're using these graphics as a frame of reference? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://www.iencentral.com/warbirds/new_images/screenshots/wb45_lg.jpg)
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Well Dob..
Ive been flying Aces High since open beta, Ive been flying Warbirds since 94/95 when it was beta. I still have my WB account but dont fly it. Im keeping it open until WB3 is out so i can take a look at it. Why am i flying Aces High instead of my WBs account. Hmmm, better FM better graphics manable gun positions on Ships, PT boat, Typhoon 3D cockpit that is very useable, can move my head around like in a real plane. Convergence settings for each set of guns. Ammo load out inclunding Ord and guns.
The list is endless. As you have only been flying online for a year and a half, ill take your post as being an ignorant newbie.
I started flying in 1989 in AW-DOS moved to Warbirds in 94/95 and Aces High in open beta.. I have enjoyed flying all 3 of these Sims over the last 12 years. I have not belittled any of them for any reason. As i still fly WBs to keep in touch with a lota guys i know, ill never put it down as you have done to Aces High. Both have something to offer and both differ enough for people to select a prefered Sim.
Because the FM in Aces High is beyond your current flying skills (It needs time to get used to) doesnt mean you should go off 1/2 cocked. Instead, do what i did coming outa Warbirds. Adjusted Jstick settings, deadbands, dampening ect.. to get the best out of each fighter. Spend a good bit of time in one, then move to another.
If ya wana whine and give up, do so and leave quietly knowing you cant master a different FM. If you wana stay and learn, there are many guys here that will be glad to help you out. Myself included.
Dog out.......
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Hey good thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Feel I should comment as I am one of those Dobrmn was referring to who has only ever flown AH for any length online. (Plenty of offline WB and the odd "free Weekend").
Graphics?? What Graphics has WB got? Cool lighting effects? Moving control surfaces, Undercarraige? I don't think so. And the Flight Model? Wasn't Most of HTC responsible for the WB flight model anyway? Don't they think they have progressed somewhat. I don't mean to knock WB and I don't think anyone should. I've never flown a WWII fighter but think AH feels so much more immersive (or is it just the community)?
Nice Troll Dobrmn If you don't like it leave (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but don't make comments about the interface until you have explored/tailored it as best you can, and I've seen enough "This Flight Model Sucks" by people who have about as much flying time in WWII iron as myself to realise just how stupid you sound.
Have a nice one (Somewhere else)...
TTFN
snafu
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[This message has been edited by snafu (edited 02-26-2001).]
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Just got my AH account yesterday Flew the two week trial before the FM change, have to say this is a big improvement. Other than the much better responisivness of AH planes (donno if this is exactly accurate, i dont know if i could apply 40+ pounds of force in 1/3 of a second) the FMs seem pretty much the same. The tactics and moves in one game work almost the same as in the other.
Then there is guns. It really does seem to me like in AH the bullets have a 5 foot radius. With 5 shells remaining in my 30mm of 109G i knocked out a P47 from 400 yards just after coming into a hard turn and way out of trim. 1000 yard shots in F4u also seem very easy to pull off.
Graphics are better in AH than WB, and obviously the tanks and ships add a lot more to the game then the uncontrollable fleets in WB.
For now im keeping both accounts. I still like WB air combat over the AH air combat, but the ground and sea element of AH a really fantastic.
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Ahhh... The siren call of vaporbirds 111.
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Dobrmn, in a few more weeks, and with a few more tweeks, you'll be doing just fine. It's a 12 step process and your only on step 2. Here are the next 12 steps you will go through, just be patient:
1. Install game and learn where guns and throttle are
2. Suffer from "Lawn Dart" syndrome
3. Complain that CHOG is "Overmodled"
4. Complain that N1K2 is "Super Uber Dweeb"
5. Complain that Ostwind is overmodled
6. Complain that Ack and Flak guns are too accurate
7. Accuse Mitsu of cheating (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
8. Finally kill Mitsu and feel REALLY good (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
9. Kill 3 CHOGS and 2 N1K2's in a single mission
10. Successfully de-ack an entire base
11. Save 5 teammates butts in a single mission and live to tell about it.
12. Post advice for "newbies" on the Message Board
We've all been there but it's worth the trip (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Flown both and prefer AH.
Doberman - you aren't Hotseat in disguise are you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Is WB III going to be another "2 weeks" late?
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
[This message has been edited by PakRat (edited 02-26-2001).]
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Dobrmn, please stick around and try to get past the learning curve.
Just like in WB, there are custom sound files that really improve the experience. Just go ask in the sound forum and those guys will set you up nicely.
Yes the FM is different. It's more detailed and generally more accurate. The reason your P-47 kept stalling in level flight last night is not because the FM is "crummy". It's because unlike WB, the weight and drag of 2000 pounds of external ordnance is factored into the flight model.
Just stick with it and you will get used to it, and you will find a lot of things that are way beyond anything in WB.
I wouldn't worry about the less-friendly responses to this post. You posted something fairly inflammatory after logging off in frustration. We all have done that and I'm pretty sure you'll find this crowd a forgiving one.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-26-2001).]
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My post wasn't a troll.. I'll give it another shot and I apologize once again if i insulted anyone.
Dob
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I am an ex-Warbirds player too. I would rather play and pay Aces High/Hitech creations instead of IMOL.
Pyro, HiTech, Natedog, Superfly. These people made Warbirds for you. Don't beleave me? Go watch the credits of WarBirds, specifically the part called "A game by:", "Original Producer:", and "Adittional programming and art by:" and tell me who's names those are.
It might have something to do with Aces High adding content every month or two, and WarBirds has only added a single aircraft in the last two years. Note, this is after you know who had quit to come here and start a new buisness instead of being forced to move to a different state by the parent company.
Hans.
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suckers...
SKurj