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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nefarious on November 21, 2022, 11:32:32 AM
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I've always wanted a cool flight jacket, with period patches and such. But always thought they were a little much for me to wear in public. I'm not a pilot or a veteran.
Today at Sams Club, I saw a guy next to me in line wearing a leather flight jacket with Navy patches. The patches all seemed legit, some were easily recognizable, like a VA-12 patch from Attack Squadron 12 - Flying Ubangi's.
It's an old A-7 Corsair II Squadron and the guy was older, probably late 60s-early 70s - and seemed like he could have served with VA-12.
I asked him if he flew with the Flying Ubangi's and he says, "no, it's my cousins jacket"
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Guys, what's the etiquette here? It seems a little too extreme to call it stolen valor? But, I feel like it's kind of silly.
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Years ago, I was standing in line at Barnes and Nobles' bookstore when I noticed the man in front of me was wearing a 442nd BCT hat. He was an oriental gentleman and I asked him was he in that unit. He said he was, and he even knew the current senator of Hawaii who'd received the congressional Medal of Honor. He told me that he had also received the medal. I told him what an honor it was to meet him and shook his hand. When I got home, I checked on the computer and guess what he was a liar. :neener: :neener:
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Not stolen Valor if making no claims and just wearing a jacket. The second story where the guy in the hat makes claim is stolen Valor.
I sometimes wear an A&M football hat, I never went to A&M or played football there.
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I sometimes wear an A&M football hat, I never went to A&M or played football there.
I get that, and I like Army Rangers and US Navy Seals too, but I don't wear their hats or shirts.
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I suppose you could limit yourself to purely vintage unit patches and mix-and-match Air Corps and Navy squadron patches just to emphasize the fact that it's a enthusiast's jacket.
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Sounds like flight jacket manufacturing isn’t a good idea.
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I think its ok to wear, especially if when asked if you serveres you reply with "No, I wear it to honor ALL veterans". The same goes for hats. As long as your honest and up front and say you honor and respect those that have been part of that unit.
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I've always wanted a cool flight jacket, with period patches and such. But always thought they were a little much for me to wear in public. I'm not a pilot or a veteran.
Today at Sams Club, I saw a guy next to me in line wearing a leather flight jacket with Navy patches. The patches all seemed legit, some were easily recognizable, like a VA-12 patch from Attack Squadron 12 - Flying Ubangi's.
It's an old A-7 Corsair II Squadron and the guy was older, probably late 60s-early 70s - and seemed like he could have served with VA-12.
I asked him if he flew with the Flying Ubangi's and he says, "no, it's my cousins jacket"
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Guys, what's the etiquette here? It seems a little too extreme to call it stolen valor? But, I feel like it's kind of silly.
Nothing wrong with this. Nothing wrong with wearing a Seals shirt, either. If you do not want to based on some perception you are afraid of, that makes sense. I wore a hammer and sickle all day last Saturday and was on Cloud 9 the entire time.
I wear a US Navy G-1 or a USAF A-2 in the winter time with no patches and feel no shame about it. It is a great jacket and I love aviation. Even a flight jacket with multiple patches from different units is fine, just odd. He has a cool piece of family history and a cool piece of history that he enjoys wearing. If that kind of thing is not your style, then don't do that thing. That's how I see it, anyway.
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Lots of people wear flight jackets, from ones that are very good reproductions to ones that are just themed on a particular type. And there are lots of vendors that sell them.
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Not stolen Valor if making no claims and just wearing a jacket. The second story where the guy in the hat makes claim is stolen Valor.
I sometimes wear an A&M football hat, I never went to A&M or played football there.
But one makes you feel super sorry for yourself and the other is wearing military related stuff.
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I sometimes go out dressed as an admiral.
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I love to wear Miltary clothes out if respect. I have patches war torn from my Grandfather from the 191st and they are sitting in my chest box. I also have his dress uniform in a protective pristine cover that he wore during The WW 2 . I do not see it being a wrong to wear certain Patches Nef as long as you’re not claiming to have been there and just showing respect to our forefathers who have served. There are to many morons out there claiming stolen valor and have been busted. I know you will choose the correct path. Just ashame box stores sell this stuff and do not know the true meaning behind these patches
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I sometimes go out dressed as an admiral.
A rear admiral?
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A rear admiral?
Heh. Spot on. :D
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I maybe over reacting, but I served in the USAF from 1971 to 1976, this makes me a Vietnam Veteran. However I never served in country, my entire 5 years (minus basic and tech school) in Alaska. With that in mind I do not wear a Vietnam Veterans hat or patch, out of respect for those that did. :salute
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wrong topic
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I maybe over reacting, but I served in the USAF from 1971 to 1976, this makes me a Vietnam Veteran. However I never served in country, my entire 5 years (minus basic and tech school) in Alaska. With that in mind I do not wear a Vietnam Veterans hat or patch, out of respect for those that did. :salute
I think that's exactly how I'd feel too.
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I maybe over reacting, but I served in the USAF from 1971 to 1976, this makes me a Vietnam Veteran. However I never served in country, my entire 5 years (minus basic and tech school) in Alaska. With that in mind I do not wear a Vietnam Veterans hat or patch, out of respect for those that did. :salute
elmendorf afb?
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I don't think there is anything wrong with wearing the flight jacket in public. In my opinion, it's cool to show your interest.
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Very close friend of mine wears something similar with lots of unit patches etc. He's an engineer and has worked closely with a lot of different airframes and units over the years and is big into aviation/military history. I have never once questioned or thought him wearing his jacket was "stolen valor".
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Walked into a store to buy beer the other day. I was wearing a WWII Museum hat, the one in New Orleans. Clerk looked at me and said, "Thank you for your service."
I was glad I wasn't wearing my Fort Ticonderoga hat. Would have completely ruined my day.
- oldman
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But one makes you feel super sorry for yourself and the other is wearing military related stuff.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl well this year for sure.....
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elmendorf afb?
Yes sir, 1931st. Comm Group.
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If someone goes that route in an attempt to get missing attention I would pity them more than condemn them
Eagler
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I maybe over reacting, but I served in the USAF from 1971 to 1976, this makes me a Vietnam Veteran. However I never served in country, my entire 5 years (minus basic and tech school) in Alaska. With that in mind I do not wear a Vietnam Veterans hat or patch, out of respect for those that did. :salute
I think technically that's called a Vietnam era veteran. I was in then also and later during Desert Storm but served in neither war zone. I did finish up in Arkansas but no ribbon for that war zone. ;)
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Very close friend of mine wears something similar with lots of unit patches etc. He's an engineer and has worked closely with a lot of different airframes and units over the years and is big into aviation/military history. I have never once questioned or thought him wearing his jacket was "stolen valor".
I feel like that is a decent enough reason.
I understand that my opinion doesn't really matter to that guy or anyone else, but if the guy had responded he was a LTV engineer/advisor and worked with VA-12 in the 70s, I would have found that interesting and maybe talked with him for a minute.
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Nothing wrong with this. Nothing wrong with wearing a Seals shirt, either. If you do not want to based on some perception you are afraid of, that makes sense. I wore a hammer and sickle all day last Saturday and was on Cloud 9 the entire time.
I collect Communist Firearms and Militaria and have an extensive collection of Eastern Bloc Camoflauge, I wear that when I'm out doing outdoor stuff because it's unique and sticks out.
I don't consider that to be quite on the same level though as a flight jacket or unit hats though.
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I don't wear shirts with WW2 German planes on them out and about as some are offended by the swastika shown plainly on the tails
Some don't understand my collection of luftwaffe gear for the same reason..
Ppl are thin skinned enough these days that some want to make an issue of everything
Eagler
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Yes sir, 1931st. Comm Group.
My Dad flew C130s there 75-79
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In 1990 I went to the Airwarrior convention in Houston, bought a huge Confederate airforce bloodchit. You know, psuedo flying tigeresque "this is a caf aviator, if found feed him mint julips and hide him from yankees.." with the non battle confederate flag. Wore it on a Jean jacket along with my WarHawks and4th FG patches.. for 6 or so years to airshows and around town.. then had a guy at work get hinkey over it.. still have it just do not wear it.
I do have a great flight jacket but never put any patches on it. Heck I am wearing a VFA-103 Jolly Roger's shirt right now.
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I wear my flight jackets with scenario patches on them. :aok
(https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200808_rangoon42/pics/rangoon08PatchScan200.jpg) (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/stalins_fourth/pics/stalinsPatchScan200.jpg) (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2006/pics/bob06PatchScan200.jpg) (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/coral_sea/pics/coralSeaPatchScan200.jpg) (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201008_philippinePhandango/patchScan200.png) (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/stalins_fourth/pics/stalinsPatchScan200.jpg) (https://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200910_redStormKruppSteel/redStorm_PatchScan200.png)
and so on
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The old man's
(https://i.postimg.cc/DwDFxHY4/20221126-131339.jpg)
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That is super awesome! :aok