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Title: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 01, 2024, 01:15:24 PM
I will not be in a lw plane for the entire month..bye bye k4

Anyone else want to make that pledge?

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Shuffler on April 01, 2024, 02:10:40 PM
I am almost always in a MW aircraft.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: GasTeddy on April 01, 2024, 02:18:56 PM
Would be nice if everyone did it. In my case, makes no big difference.  I've noticed flying faster late war kite I arrive faster to the spot where I die.

(https://media.tenor.com/4OKLc0k9hWAAAAAM/plummet-fall.gif)
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: whiteman on April 01, 2024, 02:28:44 PM
Sure, I'll trade in my F4U-1A on squad nights for the -1. I'll even do my attacks runs in Wildcats, so i guess I'll be on de-ack duty.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 01, 2024, 02:58:17 PM
No decent sticks in d9, spit16, p51, 152, k4, la9 would be a different experience for sure

..not an April fools  :cheers:

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Bopgun on April 01, 2024, 03:09:32 PM
No decent sticks in d9, spit16, p51, 152, k4, la9 would be a different experience for sure

..not an April fools  :cheers:

Eagler

I may be up for this
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Trav02 on April 01, 2024, 04:05:27 PM
Would be nice if everyone did it. In my case, makes no big difference.  I've noticed flying faster late war kite I arrive faster to the spot where I die.

(https://media.tenor.com/4OKLc0k9hWAAAAAM/plummet-fall.gif)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/this-gif-793-gif.756623/)

Good idea Eagler, I'm not a great stick but I'm in.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Banshee7 on April 01, 2024, 04:43:59 PM
I am almost always in a MW aircraft.

Same.  :cheers: 

I’m willing to bet 75% or more of my kills have been in MW or EW planes. Now I’ll have to go look.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: CptTrips on April 01, 2024, 04:53:26 PM
Would be nice if everyone did it. In my case, makes no big difference.  I've noticed flying faster late war kite I arrive faster to the spot where I die.

(https://media.tenor.com/4OKLc0k9hWAAAAAM/plummet-fall.gif)

Which is an important point.  Trying to get somewhere where there is a fight before it evaporates away is probably some portion of the choice of LW planes.  Maybe combining this with the Tiny Tuesday idea of a micro map would make sense.  ;)
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Professor_Fate on April 01, 2024, 05:14:01 PM
I will not be in a lw plane for the entire month..bye bye k4

Anyone else want to make that pledge?

Eagler

I can’t fly worth a damn in any plane but would a 110g2 meet the criteria? On top of that my marksmanship sucks so I need a plane like the 110 that comes supplied with a lot of potatoes.  Otherwise I’ll be in an 109 F4 for April.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: GasTeddy on April 01, 2024, 05:15:20 PM
Now, when it's already 2. April at this side of pond, I can tell my suspicion about the date Eagler made his post...   
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: hazmatt on April 01, 2024, 05:34:25 PM
I can think of two squads that are gonna pick the crap out of you guys.

Maybe you guys could put a couple 262s in there to run off the picker groups when they show up?
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: HollyWood750 on April 01, 2024, 06:40:29 PM
I read that lw as Luftwaffe planes, eagler.. lol.  I thought that would be a relief to not see eagler in a 109! :)

I'm in... for at least 90% of the time, I think. Either a -1 Corsair, or a Jug D11 (unfortunately, despite the 25 ENY factor, the -25 is LW), or maybe branch out to a 190A5 or Spit 9 or Ki61. That will help get the EW and MW acheivements.

 :rock :salute

HW
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Oldman731 on April 01, 2024, 08:25:25 PM
I will not be in a lw plane for the entire month..bye bye k4

Anyone else want to make that pledge?


Heh.

Well...OK...Seems harsh...

- oldman
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Bopgun on April 01, 2024, 09:29:34 PM
I read that lw as Luftwaffe planes, eagler.. lol.  I thought that would be a relief to not see eagler in a 109! :)

I'm in... for at least 90% of the time, I think. Either a -1 Corsair, or a Jug D11 (unfortunately, despite the 25 ENY factor, the -25 is LW), or maybe branch out to a 190A5 or Spit 9 or Ki61. That will help get the EW and MW acheivements.

 :rock :salute

HW

Think spit8 is also MW aswell as PonyB
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Lusche on April 01, 2024, 09:36:29 PM
Think spit8 is also MW aswell as PonyB

Spit 8 was perked in MW, along with the Typhoon.


Under the old EW-MW-LW triad, these were the LW planes:

Ar 234
B-29
Mosquito Mk XVI
Tu-2S
Bf 109G-14
Bf 109K-4
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F4U-4
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Ki-84-Ia
La-7
Me 163B
Me 262
N1K2
P-38L
P-47-D25
P-47-D40
P-47M
P-47N
P-51D
Spitfire Mk XIV
Spitfire Mk XVI
Ta 152H
Tempest
Yak-3
Yak-9U


Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Lazerr on April 01, 2024, 10:35:00 PM
Spit 8 was perked in MW, along with the Typhoon.


Under the old EW-MW-LW triad, these were the LW planes:

Ar 234
B-29
Mosquito Mk XVI
Tu-2S
Bf 109G-14
Bf 109K-4
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F4U-4
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Ki-84-Ia
La-7
Me 163B
Me 262
N1K2
P-38L
P-47-D25
P-47-D40
P-47M
P-47N
P-51D
Spitfire Mk XIV
Spitfire Mk XVI
Ta 152H
Tempest
Yak-3
Yak-9U

109f8 a typo?
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Lusche on April 01, 2024, 10:37:34 PM
109f8 a typo?

109F-8? You mean the 190F-8? If so, no, it's been a late war ride just like its brother the A-8
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Bopgun on April 01, 2024, 11:05:46 PM
Ahh I forgot the G14 is,hmmm
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 02, 2024, 07:56:52 AM
Thanks for listing the lw birds!

Plenty of other great fun planes

Hoping the best pilots try this change as otherwise they will be picking the rest of us apart which is not the best way it could go..

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Lusche on April 02, 2024, 08:28:47 AM
Oops, found one error in my above list, which I can't edit any more: The Tu-2S was available in MW arena  :old:
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: popeye on April 02, 2024, 10:34:10 AM
Which vehicles are LW?
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Lusche on April 02, 2024, 12:40:21 PM
Which vehicles are LW?


EW: Jeep, LVTA2, LVTA4, M-16, M-3, M-8, Panzer IV F, PT Boat, SdKfz 251, T-34/76
MW: All EW+ M4A3(75), Ostwind, Panzer IV H, Tiger I, Wirbelwind . (Wirbelwind & Ostwind were oddities, as they were truly late war in real life)
LW: All above + Jagdpanther, Jagdpanzer 38 (t), Jagdpanzer IV/70, M-18, M4A3(76)W, Panther G, Sherman VC, T-34/85, Tiger 2


Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: BSB on April 02, 2024, 05:49:26 PM
HlyWd clued me into this thread.  Sounds like fun.  I will join you guys in flying nothing but Mid War rides.  I will be bringing back my glory days of flying the FW190-A5.  If dying continuously in my white 190-A5 could be considered my glory days.  I was mentioned in the Butcher Bird Mafia threads though...

 :rock

BSB
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: hazmatt on April 02, 2024, 11:28:10 PM
You brave souls are gonna get picked to death by two squads that come to mind. Seems the only squads with lots of numbers were/are pickin squads when I left. Maybe times have changed?
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: GasTeddy on April 03, 2024, 03:44:15 AM
You brave souls are gonna get picked to death by two squads that come to mind. Seems the only squads with lots of numbers were/are pickin squads when I left. Maybe times have changed?

I'm afraid they haven't but I still tried yesterday. Died pretty similar way. And noticed Fi 156 is no match for Skyyr flying 190D.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Trav02 on April 03, 2024, 07:45:07 AM
Fun can still be had. Pretty good furball near A1 last night.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: GasTeddy on April 03, 2024, 07:57:32 AM
Fun can still be had. Pretty good furball near A1 last night.

Oh yes, if ego can take being killed and revenge is not first priority. For some it is, I noticed about 1 h ago...    :D
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 03, 2024, 08:09:06 AM
Saw some d9 guys in a5's..wtg!

Had a blast in the g2!

Thanks to those trying to make a positive change in ma gameplay!

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: hazmatt on April 03, 2024, 10:38:06 AM
Those A5s are surprisingly fast going downhill. I remember I barely got away from once once when I was in a D9 hunting ponies.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Skyyr on April 03, 2024, 11:38:19 AM
I'm afraid they haven't but I still tried yesterday. Died pretty similar way. And noticed Fi 156 is no match for Skyyr flying 190D.

I wasn't in a D9. I've been in an A5 almost entirely since the tour began.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: LCADolby on April 03, 2024, 12:00:54 PM
Those A5s are surprisingly fast going downhill. I remember I barely got away from once once when I was in a D9 hunting ponies.

They were perk rides way back when.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: GasTeddy on April 03, 2024, 12:02:48 PM
I wasn't in a D9. I've been in an A5 almost entirely since the tour began.

Well, makes no big difference against Fi 156, even I have 1 kill with it. Some overeager picker from stratosphere didn't use vator trim up. Forgotten who it was, not you anyway.   :D
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: HollyWood750 on April 06, 2024, 08:31:45 PM
Trying out the A5 mainly.  It's no jug, but watching Skyyr fly it, it looks like poetry in motion.  He has 328 kills in the FW190A-5, at the time of this post, so I'm not sure flying in the MA is materially any less deadly than normal. lol.

But thanks Eagler, for suggesting this.   :rock Maybe we can make this a traditional April "thing"?

 :salute

HlyWd
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Morpheus on April 06, 2024, 10:53:58 PM
what about early KI67v's P-40. Rest of you La7 dweebs stay home and Give the La-5 to those who want them!
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Lusche on April 07, 2024, 12:15:12 AM
what about early KI67v's P-40.


It's very hard for any P-40 to intercept any well flown Ki-67, especially at optimum altitude, and the 20mm top turret ain't no fun to face with such a little speed difference.  :old:

But I guess you actually meant the Ki-61?  :)
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 07, 2024, 07:48:59 AM
Suggested this to help the lesser skilled pilots by putting the best pilots in less powerful planes...

Skyyr is showing the late birds are not required if you know what you are doing

Thanks to those that are giving this a go!  :airplane:

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: LCADolby on April 07, 2024, 08:54:01 AM
Skyyr is showing the late birds are not required if you know what you are doing

Eagler

There are players throughout the years who proved this, it's nothing new, you may remember some;
Irishone - 190A5
Paleoguy - 109F
Levi - SpitV
Joachim - 109F
Shane - La5
and just because I want to be included Dolby - 109E
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Skyyr on April 07, 2024, 09:25:20 AM
There are players throughout the years who proved this, it's nothing new, you may remember some;
Irishone - 190A5
Paleoguy - 109F
Levi - SpitV
Joachim - 109F
Shane - La5
and just because I want to be included Dolby - 109E

The only really effective player in that list was JOACH1M. And you left out Krupnski.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 07, 2024, 10:38:42 AM
There are players throughout the years who proved this, it's nothing new, you may remember some;
Irishone - 190A5
Paleoguy - 109F
Levi - SpitV
Joachim - 109F
Shane - La5
and just because I want to be included Dolby - 109E

It's a different ma today then back then

The late war birds should be for those that need the advantage..not the best in ma

I'd be all for limiting the best pilots to early war only and see if it allows newbies to stick around a bit longer

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: LCADolby on April 07, 2024, 12:14:05 PM
The only really effective player in that list was JOACH1M. And you left out Krupnski.

"You may remember some".. Some..

Krupcakes, while effective, spent most of his time fighting in K$ tossing taters like a boss, I didn't cross him in any midwar era aircraft that I remember.

It's a different ma today then back then


Indeed it was F£$^ing hard flying Midwar planes back then.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Shane on April 08, 2024, 08:50:45 PM
You weren't around to opine about others in such a specific way; dolby was.     :aok

I wonder how effective you might have been back then.   :headscratch:



The only really effective player in that list was JOACH1M. And you left out Krupnski.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Skyyr on April 08, 2024, 09:24:10 PM
You weren't around to opine about others in such a specific way; dolby was.     :aok

I wonder how effective you might have been back then.   :headscratch:

I flew against all of them, except for Levi. Every single one was a pushover except JOACH1M. To date, JOACH1M is the best pilot I've ever encountered and who'd I consider the best pilot in the game during the time he played.

Let me guess your reply: "well, they used to be good, before you came here..."
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Shane on April 08, 2024, 10:23:51 PM
I flew against all of them, except for Levi. Every single one was a pushover except JOACH1M. To date, JOACH1M is the best pilot I've ever encountered and who'd I consider the best pilot in the game during the time he played. Let me guess your reply: "well, they used to be good, before you came here..."


According to your logic, I'm better than Joachim because I play now and he doesn't.    :rofl   I had my share of encounters with him - fun fights.

I forget what happened in this - we had a disputed result, but I gave to him and he went up vs dr spek for the final. (I even have those films of him/drspek.

We were also in the DFC brackets.

You came in after my time and based on what I currently see from you and put it up against my experience with numerous really good sticks... you're nothing particularly special, possessing a limited skillset which you have currently maximized and against a much diluted player base.

Oh yeah... the picture. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

(https://i.postimg.cc/15vZWSfW/Bracket-16-2019-05-26-21-46-39-UTC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnL5JfyR)

Have your fanbois bray some more stats of yours so we can see how you really stack up... how's that k/t coming along?  :neener:



Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Bopgun on April 08, 2024, 10:37:57 PM
I bet a lot of old sticks would come back for a Goood ol fashion dueling bracket. What better way to determine who’s truly better?
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Skyyr on April 08, 2024, 11:43:27 PM
I wasn't impressed with DrSpek either. He quit the game after he lost his duel to me. I still have his expletive-laden post saved that he made after quitting, along with the duel he rage quit from immediately beforehand.

But yeah, cool story.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: hazmatt on April 09, 2024, 12:02:27 AM
DrSpek literally quit the game after I killed him like 20x in the MA. I still have his expletive-laden post saved that he made after quitting, along with the duel he rage quit from immediately beforehand.

But yeah, cool story.
Sounds almost that you're gloating that you had a hand in him leaving and you saved his post to remind yourself of how well you did...

Care to share any other players you helped run off?
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Skyyr on April 09, 2024, 12:21:29 AM
Sounds almost that you're gloating that you had a hand in him leaving and you saved his post to remind yourself of how well you did...

Care to share any other players you helped run off?

I didn't "run him off." We had a series of MA fights, followed by him calling me out for a duel after he lost all but like 1 or 2 fights. He came after me equally; but, apparently, he never learned how not to telegraph his turns and I kept killing him in 1 pass.

He was so mad about front-quarter shots that he quit over them. His reaction was so unexpected that I genuinely thought he was trolling.

Click (https://imgur.com/a/uuRkQyz)
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 09, 2024, 08:10:41 AM
Missed you guys in MNM last night

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Shane on April 09, 2024, 10:08:55 AM
Yeah, Dr. Spek wasn't all that... no one is - not even you - but that's not who we were talking about.

Cool deflection, bro  :aok

The point is, in a long line of good sticks, you don't particularly stand out beyond your aim and set moves.



 
I wasn't impressed with DrSpek either. He quit the game after he lost his duel to me. I still have his expletive-laden post saved that he made after quitting, along with the duel he rage quit from immediately beforehand.

But yeah, cool story.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Skyyr on April 09, 2024, 10:13:28 AM

The point is, in a long line of good sticks, you don't particularly stand out beyond your aim and set moves.


Which is sad, because apparently that was all that was needed to beat them consistently.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 09, 2024, 10:36:17 AM
I bet a lot of old sticks would come back for a Goood ol fashion dueling bracket. What better way to determine who’s truly better?

I'd be down, but I doubt we get enough people to join and most of the older sticks have disappeared. Wish it could be sponsored and put all over Twitch with huge competitions like some of these games  😞

The New air spawns make things a bit more fair from the start.

It use to he check 6s back in the day to fight in the DA. Man that was fun.

Surprised I wasn't in that dueling bracket, must have been in college.

Never did get to fight Levi or Drex, but 2bighorn was beast a long time ago. Latrobe was also a very good stick no matter what he flew.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Shane on April 09, 2024, 10:36:48 AM
Was at an eclipse event (awesome) and didn't make it back in time.  Next week!

Missed you guys in MNM last night
Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Shane on April 09, 2024, 10:54:38 AM
Which is sad, because apparently that was all that was needed to beat them consistently.

This is more amusing than you may think. You're equating your "ownage" with your inner legacy, as well could be expected, but failing to grasp that 'legacy" is about how others perceive you  - and well, kind of record it. This is where you'll constantly lose; your ego is not a legacy.

This is sampling of what (my) legacy looks like: (thanks for the flight down memory lane.)

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,198897.msg2342121.html#msg2342121
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,198897.msg2341404.html#msg2341404
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,281610.msg3555193.html#msg3555193
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343775.msg4539349.html#msg4539349
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343775.msg4538456.html#msg4538456
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,136155.msg1475348.html#msg1475348
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,331328.msg4347437.html#msg4347437
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,234298.msg2858128.html#msg2858128
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,343717.msg4537021.html#msg4537021

 :cheers: :neener:
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: hazmatt on April 09, 2024, 11:32:23 AM
Wow Shane! What a guy.

And I thought I might have been the only person that thought you were an ok guy.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: LCADolby on April 09, 2024, 12:01:56 PM
I flew against all of them, except for Levi. Every single one was a pushover except JOACH1M. To date, JOACH1M is the best pilot I've ever encountered and who'd I consider the best pilot in the game during the time he played.

Let me guess your reply: "well, they used to be good, before you came here..."
Obvious Troll is Obvious
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 09, 2024, 12:29:26 PM
There are a lot of variables over time that impact a players performance over the years.

AH2 was a lot easier to read E differentials. I have a much more difficult time reading peoples E in AH3. It seems they come at me so slow, yet climb 5k straight up.

AH2, the spitV and 109f weren't "fixed" when Levi and Drex played. The spit5 is a totally different plane, albeit still fun to fight in.

Merging now is more unbiased in terms of the Air spawns relative to taking off and meeting in the middle. I'd like to see a lot of past fights redone with the airspawns to have closer merge speeds.

Getting older, having families, new sticks, not the same setups as before, not being able to practice as much, less people in the game, and AH3 conversion also create variables that make some players probably less as good as they use to be. Not all of us get to practice for dozens of hours straight which does help with stick control and other things.

However back then, rope merges and shooting in certain crossing shots weren't the goal. So, many people who fought skyyr weren't expecting to be roped on every merge or expecting a close HO shot to put them out of the fight. I'd like to see some of those fights with the airspawns though just to see if they could match Skyyrs E on the merge and the then go from there.

I do see a lot folks go nose down first before entering the merge and I think that is a crucial mistake.




Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: LCADolby on April 09, 2024, 12:40:06 PM
There are a lot of variables over time that impact a players performance over the years.

AH2 was a lot easier to read E differentials. I have a much more difficult time reading peoples E in AH3. It seems they come at me so slow, yet climb 5k straight up.

AH2, the spitV and 109f weren't "fixed" when Levi and Drex played. The spit5 is a totally different plane, albeit still fun to fight in.

Merging now is more unbiased in terms of the Air spawns relative to taking off and meeting in the middle. I'd like to see a lot of past fights redone with the airspawns to have closer merge speeds.

Getting older, having families, new sticks, not the same setups as before, not being able to practice as much, less people in the game, and AH3 conversion also create variables that make some players probably less as good as they use to be. Not all of us get to practice for dozens of hours straight which does help with stick control and other things.

However back then, rope merges and shooting in certain crossing shots weren't the goal. So, many people who fought skyyr weren't expecting to be roped on every merge or expecting a close HO shot to put them out of the fight. I'd like to see some of those fights with the airspawns though just to see if they could match Skyyrs E on the merge and the then go from there.

I do see a lot folks go nose down first before entering the merge and I think that is a crucial mistake.

Some valid points, but as Grizz once said "old legends are just that, old".
Beating an old legend in a 1v1 now would be a lose lose situation.
You haven't proven anything except that the other guy got older, slower and checked his priorities in life..

That ol' get behind the 3-9 line. I remember PEZ shouting at me "BE a man and shoot me in the back"   :rofl
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: hazmatt on April 09, 2024, 12:54:26 PM
I do see a lot folks go nose down first before entering the merge and I think that is a crucial mistake.

This is an interesting comment as I recall in the A4 dogfighting film that somebody posted recently that it said specifically to go nose down before the merge to build up as much speed as possible and then to pull into the vertical where you could watch your opponents next move and react accordingly.

I'm interested in hearing your reasoning behind how it is a "crucial mistake"?
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: LCADolby on April 09, 2024, 12:55:29 PM
I wasn't impressed with DrSpek either. He quit the game after he lost his duel to me. I still have his expletive-laden post saved that he made after quitting, along with the duel he rage quit from immediately beforehand.

But yeah, cool story.

To be fair to Spek, he had stopped flying regularly by the time you got to him.. I'd imagine he'd been gone for a year pretty much.
Returns can be a hard thing when you leave at the top of your game and expect to go right back in and conquer without so much as a warm up.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: hazmatt on April 09, 2024, 01:03:31 PM
To be fair to Spek, he had stopped flying regularly by the time you got to him.. I'd imagine he'd been gone for a year pretty much.
Returns can be a hard thing when you leave at the top of your game and expect to go right back in and conquer without so much as a warm up.

I completely agree with this. When was at the top of my game, back in the AW days, I found that even taking a couple days off would blow my timing and small stuff like that which is what usually determines the winner between closely matched opponents in my experience.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: LilMak on April 09, 2024, 01:46:26 PM
I completely agree with this. When was at the top of my game, back in the AW days, I found that even taking a couple days off would blow my timing and small stuff like that which is what usually determines the winner between closely matched opponents in my experience.
True. Style can play a part too. I’ve wrecked guys in the past that were hot sticks only to be clobbered by the guy the original adversary would trounce regularly. Kind of a rock, paper, scissors thing.

Not anymore. I’m only slightly above average these days for a multitude of reasons.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 09, 2024, 02:28:20 PM
MNM now has an air start

It expedites things..

If the stats page is correct I got 44 kills in about 54 minutes...Can't get action like that anywhere else!

Not one of them in a late warbird  though some were proxies from nearby crashes :aok

MA would benefit from airstarts on most maps with our current numbers imo

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 10, 2024, 11:22:49 AM
This is an interesting comment as I recall in the A4 dogfighting film that somebody posted recently that it said specifically to go nose down before the merge to build up as much speed as possible and then to pull into the vertical where you could watch your opponents next move and react accordingly.

I'm interested in hearing your reasoning behind how it is a "crucial mistake"?

Generally in WW2 planes, going nose down before the merge may give you the inside loop advantage against an unsuspecting opponent, however vs someone who catches on, your nose dive may give you more speed, but pulling up into an emmilman you may actually lose more speed by being too jerky on the stick pulling up than you would have had just flying straight into the merge. So when you cross the same plane before nose diving you are actually going slower than you would have flying straight. This gives the person with the initial alt advantage who didn't dive the ability to be able to use their stored E more effectively and gain the rope.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Shane on April 10, 2024, 11:59:11 AM
This gives the person with the initial alt advantage who didn't dive the ability to be able to use their stored E more effectively and gain the rope.


and if both do the same level merge it becomes a gentle circling rate fight that ends up being HO (or front quarter) joust/collision matches...  boring. 

if both dive (or immediately reverse on a level merge) the vertical aspect is more in play with additional variables where it could become a spiraling (up/dwn) fight or a looping fight - basically more about outflying than out shooting - which is what the above leads to, best (or decides to shoot) shot, not best flyer.

that's the two schools in a nutshell - fun vs ego
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 10, 2024, 03:00:30 PM


and if both do the same level merge it becomes a gentle circling rate fight that ends up being HO (or front quarter) joust/collision matches...  boring. 

if both dive (or immediately reverse on a level merge) the vertical aspect is more in play with additional variables where it could become a spiraling (up/dwn) fight or a looping fight - basically more about outflying than out shooting - which is what the above leads to, best (or decides to shoot) shot, not best flyer.

that's the two schools in a nutshell - fun vs ego

In a perfect world, both planes being the same, they would always come to a HO position after their turns. In most professional duels, who ever gets the shot before the other points the nose at them is the winner. That being said, I agree it's not fun, especially HOing if both planes are clearly pointed nose at each other when the player shoots. The goal is who can get the shot solution first before the other guy gets his nose on you. That being said, it certainly ain't much fun to duel like that. Which is why I had did have sympathy for you during your duels with Skyyr since I knew you were going off nose to avoid the HO and set up an angle on purpose. Nornally if you can avoid the HO and set up the angle while they try to shoot you are going to come out ahead because it takes more E for them to go for the shot. It's usually always been understood in AH duels that you don't shoot nose on after the first merge even if the player turns their nose away so I can see why you were upset about those duels. I do completely understand where you are coming from regarding having to actually out maneuver your opponent vs getting the quick nose on snap shot. The former being much more fun and what AH duels use to be about.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Baloo on April 11, 2024, 08:56:52 PM
I'm down! I love the J as much as the L  :rock  :salute
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 22, 2024, 06:44:03 AM
Skyyr

Thanks for proving my point this last week..

A superior pilot in ma in a late war plane ruins gameplay these days..

If you are going to be Knight to see where I am so you can then switch countries to hunt me down for the next hour...can you at least do it in a midwar plane so I have at least a snowballs chance in my g2 ...your la7 isn't fair at all..

As I won't be in ma tonight..you should join us tonight in MNM for something different

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Shane on April 22, 2024, 08:07:13 AM
Skyyr Thanks for proving my point this last week.. A superior pilot in ma in a late war plane ruins gameplay these days..
If you are going to be Knight to see where I am so you can then switch countries to hunt me down for the next hour...can you at least do it in a midwar plane so I have at least a snowballs chance in my g2 ...your la7 isn't fair at all.. As I won't be in ma tonight..you should join us tonight in MNM for something different.
Eagler


I actually witnessed this, skyyr switching to rook while his skwaddies stayed knit.  As skyyr was camp-vulching you off base, his skwaddies (snakeiis and silendt) conveniently left the immediate area.  Silendt seemed to be afk, tho', Snakeiis not so much.

Quite sus to say the least.



Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Skyyr on April 22, 2024, 08:18:48 AM
If you are going to be Knight to see where I am

I have zero interest in placating your requests nor do I give a damn about where you are. There is nothing that even requires "seeing" where you are when the kill feed shows exactly where you are. I literally did nothing but avoid you two nights ago, because you made these retarded accusations that I was hunting you in a previous post, when you were the one coming at me. So, I decided to film and purposely avoid you the entire night.

What did you do? You came at me, repeatedly, every night, like you always do. I never sought you out nor fired a single round at you until you did (on purpose, to prove a point, because I knew you'd post something stupid like this), both sorties. I even passed you on purpose to engage someone else, while filming, to prove you are the one who comes at me, and you did it predictably and beautifully.

I filmed all of it too, so please, save your lame accusations of "hunting" you. I have zero interest in you or wasting time. And stop with the fake outrage and surprise. I am done being sporting with you or trying to give you a chance (which I regrettably have done before). I'm not even going to give you the decency of a reply any longer. Consider this my last-ever acknowledgement of you.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 22, 2024, 08:29:27 AM
Just asking for you to handicap yourself for the benefit of the game..

Some egos are just too inflated I guess..

I enjoy the challenge your fights add to the game but to deny hunting some of us is ridiculous on your part..as is your LA7 speedster

See you in MNM?

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Banshee7 on April 22, 2024, 09:00:19 AM
Just asking for you to handicap yourself for the benefit of the game..

Eagler, I truly respect you, but I don't think this is going to have the effect you and several others think it will.  Trying to handicap a small percentage of the playerbase is not going to change how the MAJORITY of the players actually play.  A handful of good pilots flying midwar planes is not going to prevent the ganging, HOing, running, hording bases, timidness, and general piss poor gameplay that a larger percentage of the players partake in.  It's just not. 
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 22, 2024, 09:04:33 AM
Eagler, I truly respect you, but I don't think this is going to have the effect you and several others think it will.  Trying to handicap a small percentage of the playerbase is not going to change how the MAJORITY of the players actually play.  A handful of good pilots flying midwar planes is not going to prevent the ganging, HOing, running, hording bases, timidness, and general piss poor gameplay that a larger percentage of the players partake in.  It's just not.

When a pilot is as good as Skyyr I don't see the big deal asking them to use inferior planes for a month to see if that could change ma gameplay...

Of course all decent pilots would have to participate but as this is the 22nd and it hasn't happened yet I am not expecting it..

But I see zero harm calling it out

I would like to have Skyyr kill me in an la5 instead of an la7..is that too much to ask? Lol

<S>

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: CptTrips on April 22, 2024, 09:41:35 AM
Just asking for you to handicap yourself for the benefit of the game..

Alternatively, couldn't you just practice until you are as good as he is?

Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Shane on April 22, 2024, 09:43:25 AM
I would like to have Skyyr kill me in an la5 instead of an la7..is that too much to ask? Lol
<S>
Eagler


Yes. Fun vs ego.  He seems to have returned with a huge chip on his shoulder.

Doubt you'll ever see him in MNM more than once, if even that.

But... he has also been in some mid war rides, just not consistently.

Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Banshee7 on April 22, 2024, 09:46:42 AM
Alternatively, couldn't you just practice until you are as good as he is?

This is what I just said in the "integrity" thread!!

Yeah, that's the problem.  Most players now want to spend more time complaining and blaming instead of actually spending the time to learn anything. 
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 22, 2024, 09:49:33 AM
Alternatively, couldn't you just practice until you are as good as he is?

Actually no, I don't have the hours it would take if possible at all..I was just hoping for a fairer fight than a g2 against a la7...

The call to hangar all lw planes for a month was to provide relief from superior pilots in superior planes..

Too big an ask obviously

When can we see you again in ma CptTrips?

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: CptTrips on April 22, 2024, 09:53:12 AM
When can we see you again in ma CptTrips?

When the numbers are back above 300.

Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: CptTrips on April 22, 2024, 09:55:23 AM
Actually no, I don't have the hours it would take if possible at all..I was just hoping for a fairer fight than a g2 against a la7...

Why should he change his plane rather than you change yours?

Why doesn't AvA area run mid-war setups anymore?  Would that make more sense?


Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 22, 2024, 10:13:52 AM
Why should he change his plane rather than you change yours?

Why doesn't AvA area run mid-war setups anymore?  Would that make more sense?

It was for a month...much too long for those fragile egos lol

Guess your ma days are done as it will never see 300 again without major code changes if at all..but you know that

I will be in MNM tonight..thank goodness for Jaeger1 who tries to keep ah interesting!

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: CptTrips on April 22, 2024, 10:25:00 AM
It was for a month...much too long for those fragile egos lol

I can see where it would be fun for a group of guys to voluntarily agree amongst themselves to stick to a set of planes for a challenge.  Like a Sober October challenge.  But no one else has any obligation to join you.

The same with people who think bomber pilots should refrain from bombing anything vital.

No one has any obligation to abide by anyone else's arbitrary rules. 


So why not setup a Mid-War plane-set in the AvA?  All those wish a mid-war plane-set without getting picked on by LW rides can go fly there.



Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Kruel on April 22, 2024, 10:26:56 AM
It was for a month...much too long for those fragile egos lol

I've seen videos of skyyr flying circles around you in an A5. He has almost 1000 kills and a 4.5:1 in a midwar plane, what do you have? You bring this topic up so much that I'm beginning to believe you're a try-hard who's just tired of getting killed.

You really believe he switched back because of ego? No he's bored of killing easy, whiney players like yourself.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 22, 2024, 10:52:26 AM
I've seen videos of skyyr flying circles around you in an A5. He has almost 1000 kills and a 4.5:1 in a midwar plane, what do you have? You bring this topic up so much that I'm beginning to believe you're a try-hard who's just tired of getting killed.

You really believe he switched back because of ego? No he's bored of killing easy, whiney players like yourself.

I die daily in AH lol..always have always will

I will point out the facts as I see them

Hope too see all you aces in ma soon..even in lw planes..

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 22, 2024, 10:59:18 AM
I'd love to see skyyr fly any midwar plane that can't dive faster than 500 for a tour.

Why should he change his plane rather than you change yours?

Why doesn't AvA area run mid-war setups anymore?  Would that make more sense?


I mean it's one thing to change sides knowing eagler or someone is fighting over there and then roll a La7. Which is a 5 eny super plane. We all know that good sticks flying in super speedsters picking on a bunch of regular guys is just... sigh.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Kruel on April 22, 2024, 11:05:52 AM
I'd love to see skyyr fly any midwar plane that can't dive faster than 500 for a tour.

So suddenly, now that Skyyr is flying an A5, the A5 is no longer "a real man's plane"? Youre so predictable that it's cute.

I mean it's one thing to change sides knowing eagler or someone is fighting over there and then roll a La7. Which is a 5 eny super plane. We all know that good sticks flying in super speedsters picking on a bunch of regular guys is just... sigh.

Skyyr killed Eagler in a K4 while flying a K4 vs 4 others at the same time. I saw the clip. It wouldnt matter what Eagler was flying. Its not like we're talking about him fighting someone else good like Judge or Krupnski, the plane choice doesnt matter much here lol.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: CptTrips on April 22, 2024, 11:11:25 AM
I'd love to see skyyr fly any midwar plane that can't dive faster than 500 for a tour.

I mean it's one thing to change sides knowing eagler or someone is fighting over there and then roll a La7. Which is a 5 eny super plane. We all know that good sticks flying in super speedsters picking on a bunch of regular guys is just... sigh.

I've watch videos of 5-6 guys stumbling over themselves to try and be the one to get him.  My guess is he is also being hunted nightly, whether people admit it or not.

If I were Skyyr, I'd stay in a fast plane too.  That allows him more room to control the engagements.

Seems he is willing to fly whatever plane you want if you are meeting him in the DA.  I've seen him duel in all kinds of stuff.

Again, why not setup a mid-ware plane-set scenario in the AvA?  If you are determined to fly mid-war in the MA, accept that no one else is obligated to join you.  If you want to fly mid-war with only other mid-war, then setup the AvA.




Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 22, 2024, 11:20:23 AM
So suddenly, now that Skyyr is flying an A5, the A5 is no longer "a real man's plane"? Youre so predictable that it's cute.

Skyyr killed Eagler in a K4 while flying a K4 vs 4 others at the same time. I saw the clip. It wouldnt matter what Eagler was flying. Its not like we're talking about him fighting someone else good like Judge or Krupnski, the plane choice doesnt matter much here lol.

The A5 still can dive incredibly fast and vs regulars it's a good midwar plane. Same ENY as a 109G14 though. No real big difference in style as a 190D or Ta152, other than its a little slower which does make it slightly more challenging. He hasn't come at me with it yet. Let's see him fare in a plane that cannot dive so well. It's a real man's plane vs a La7 though which is what I was alluding too. A overall 4 K/D is just sorta meh for me though.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Banshee7 on April 22, 2024, 12:23:48 PM
I've watch videos of 5-6 guys stumbling over themselves to try and be the one to get him.  My guess is he is also being hunted nightly, whether people admit it or not.

Oh you should hear people on range when they know he is in the area.  It's comical! I've been in fights where everyone else loses SA because they're so fixated on him.  Then when someone gets the kill they're virtually high-fiving.  I've enjoyed Skyyr's return. I've learned a bit, and gotten some laughs!
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Kermit de frog on April 22, 2024, 01:49:46 PM
Oh you should hear people on range when they know he is in the area.  It's comical! I've been in fights where everyone else loses SA because they're so fixated on him.  Then when someone gets the kill they're virtually high-fiving.  I've enjoyed Skyyr's return. I've learned a bit, and gotten some laughs!


I find folks like him to have boring gameplay.  Nothing of good value.  Even watching your behavior in this quoted post is boring to me.

As I've aged, everything seems to be on repeat.  I've seen this episode before.  I already know how it ends.  Wake me up when a player good at their craft offer's heart racing fun experiences that last.   
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Banshee7 on April 22, 2024, 02:21:21 PM
Even watching your behavior in this quoted post is boring to me.

I'm sorry you feel that way.  I find people hovering at 20k in a Spitfire boring gameplay.  My response in that quote is from actual experience.  I literally watched 5-6 people all change their focus to Skyyr when he got a kill in the area then laugh and cheer on range as if they'd accomplished something.  All while the cons they abandoned piled on me.  It was comical. 

There's two sides of every coin.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 22, 2024, 02:26:29 PM

Skyyr killed Eagler in a K4 while flying a K4 vs 4 others at the same time. I saw the clip. It wouldnt matter what Eagler was flying. Its not like we're talking about him fighting someone else good like Judge or Krupnski, the plane choice doesnt matter much here lol.

Exactly yet he loves his la7 vs a g2..go figure

What is your handle in ma these days?

Ps

The k4 was last month, I am much better now lol

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: CptTrips on April 22, 2024, 02:37:29 PM
Exactly yet he loves his la7 vs a g2..go figure

Did he force you to select a g2?

Have you considered inviting him to the DA for g2 vs g2?


Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 22, 2024, 02:47:08 PM
Did he force you to select a g2?

Have you considered inviting him to the DA for g2 vs g2?

No

Yes but I think I know that outcome

I will go back to late war planes in May so this won't matter..just poking him in the eye with it now  :joystick:

He doesn't want to slow himself as someone can then shoot him down easier..pretty sure it's not a concern that I would

He is fine until he dies then he whines whines whines..all the way home lol

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Kermit de frog on April 22, 2024, 02:51:20 PM
I'm sorry you feel that way.  I find people hovering at 20k in a Spitfire boring gameplay.  My response in that quote is from actual experience.  I literally watched 5-6 people all change their focus to Skyyr when he got a kill in the area then laugh and cheer on range as if they'd accomplished something.  All while the cons they abandoned piled on me.  It was comical. 

There's two sides of every coin.


...  Wake me up when a player good at their craft offer's heart racing fun experiences that last.   

Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: CptTrips on April 22, 2024, 02:56:05 PM
He is fine until he dies then he whines whines whines..all the way home lol

Whining and bragging, chest-thumping and grudge killing are as old as Air Warrior. ;)

Didn't Dok Gonzo write a whole treatise on "Hate"?  :rofl
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Skyyr on April 22, 2024, 03:19:34 PM
I find folks like him to have boring gameplay.

You mean:


Yet you have no problem engaging week-1 noobs 1v1. Odd.

It seems to me that you define "boring" vs fun as the number of kills you get; and your only fun in-game is literally 3+ wingmen for every con in the area. I've got PLENTY of film to back that up too.

P.S. Judge and I thank you for the 20 (actually 20) kills the other night. You're improving!
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 24, 2024, 07:45:05 AM
I enjoyed our fights in g2s last night Skyyr

Had to leave the area as the red bar extinguished the green bar...

<S>

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on April 25, 2024, 07:54:38 AM
Thanks to you and Judge keeping it interesting last night

How did my g2 get your 152?

Skyyr when you rope do you trim down and to the right at the top? Serious question...

<S>

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: HollyWood750 on April 25, 2024, 10:06:04 AM
Flying the P47D-11. It's quirky, but a fun ride!

It turns into a flying pincushion when StepSis is around though. :)

HW
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: RotBaron on April 25, 2024, 10:09:29 AM
I've seen videos of skyyr flying circles around you in an A5. He has almost 1000 kills and a 4.5:1 in a midwar plane, what do you have? You bring this topic up so much that I'm beginning to believe you're a try-hard who's just tired of getting killed.

You really believe he switched back because of ego? No he's bored of killing easy, whiney players like yourself.

😬 They’re worse than Swifties, at least some of them are decent eye candy.
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: uptown on April 30, 2024, 05:08:50 PM
I'm going to learn this 38G if it kills me...o wait  :uhoh
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Professor_Fate on April 30, 2024, 08:26:58 PM
I been using the 109g2 almost exclusively in April. Gonna stick with it’s a great turn and burner and it shoots up like a rocket going after flipz in his ta152 or silentd in his 190d 😆   
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on May 01, 2024, 07:12:36 AM
I been using the 109g2 almost exclusively in April. Gonna stick with it’s a great turn and burner and it shoots up like a rocket going after flipz in his ta152 or silentd in his 190d 😆   

It's May today!

I can add the k4 back in!

Eagler
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Oldman731 on May 01, 2024, 07:41:30 PM
It's May today!

I can add the k4 back in!


Sissy.

- oldman
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: flippz on May 01, 2024, 08:43:17 PM
I been using the 109g2 almost exclusively in April. Gonna stick with it’s a great turn and burner and it shoots up like a rocket going after flipz in his ta152 or silentd in his 190d 😆   
Umm I don’t fly the ta152
Title: Re: April - no late war planes in ma
Post by: Eagler on May 02, 2024, 08:02:29 AM

Sissy.

- oldman

I know ... but it can out climb the g2 then smash it in a rope...like last night  :airplane:

Eagler