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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rude on August 14, 2001, 12:47:00 PM
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After months of reading suggestion after suggestion and complaint after complaint about an HA and HTC finally giving that faction what they wanted, I finally decided to check it out last night.
To my suprise, not a soul in the CA...just me....alone....confused and left with the inescapable thought that perhaps the interest is just not there?
Whats up?
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Need to replace MA with our HA to get numbers in there.
I think that's what the fanatical, border-line insane, realism crowd was pushing for. A fully 'historic' arena replacing the MA.
How else can you force everyone else to fly your way? ;)
-SW
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Actually, the Realism Crowd is in the CA, but they are in boot camp. In six weeks they will be flying Stearmans, then go on to AT6s.
:)
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SW, it would be nice to have at least one or two days (out of a week) or even a week (out of a month) where it's purely just the CT. Although the current Norway/North Sea map is nice, it's a little large scale for a non-organised event - i.e. peeps who just login for the immediate bit of 'fun'.
Regards
Nexx
[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Replicant ]
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At 7:00am PST, (when I get off work and log in) since it was introduced, 0 palyers were online.
The CT got to 40 players primetime at one point, but I think the hold up is, it IS a primetime arena, AND they are working out the rules to make it not only fun for the realism dietards, but the rest of us.
If they get the Britain map in, and a few other plane/strat/non-carrier changes, it should be a blast.
Just enough to take away numbers from the MA?
Maybe.
I think it has a shelf life of a tap beer, but we'll see.
I hope not.
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[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]
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Replicant that might be nice for you but it would be terrible for most of us.
Hooligan
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In the Combat Arena forumn check out the topic Pyro started. New map and new plan pending today or the next evidently.
But you're right Rude. There were enough people asking for one still here from the last year or two to have that place running at just about any time of day.
If the changes Pyro makes draws the numbers back in but then it turns into a ghost town in a week (like now) it'll probably prove to be the death knell for that arena.
If the community ends up not supporting it by using it and making constructive suggestions for it's improvement then I think HTC will drop any efforts towards supporting it also.
Except for the recent lack of use it still looks to have had a decent enough of a start by way of player interest (at one point) and some really good discussions on how to make it broadly appealing in the CA forum.
Westy
p.s. I've been testing the DX8 version the past two times when online. Only enough diversity in graphic situations and fast enough action in the MA to make notes on what I see. It sucks to fly the DX8 version in the CA bny flying for 20-30 minutes only to get shot down fast over the North Sea :)
[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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I hate HA's for the most part and I would love to say I told ya so but....
the real truth is.. people go where the numbers are and to where they are used to. And.. While I believe that the vast majority of players in AH like the current MA better than they would like an HA...
If you were to have an HA (CA, whatever) only arena with no MA to go to for several months... Then, when you did open up the MA again it would be hard at first to get people into it.
My suggestion for those who like axis vs allied is... If you are happy with the occasional scenario, stick with AH. If that isn't enough dreary axis vs allied for you then WB is probly your salvation.
lazs
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S!
Like I said in my previous post, the CA needs certain things to survive.
Right now it seems that Pyro and HTC are trying to address those issues.
I think you need to give the Arena until at least after 1.08 is introduced to succeed.
It needs Trains, convoys, and modified Task forces.
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Apparently, there will be an RPS in the CA (look for funkedup's post):
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000005 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000005)
Seems like a good idea. Might attract some early war fans for a while...eh, lazs?
[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: popeye ]
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Originally posted by lazs1:
I hate HA's for the most part and I would love to say I told ya so but....
the real truth is.. people go where the numbers are and to where they are used to. And.. While I believe that the vast majority of players in AH like the current MA better than they would like an HA...
If you were to have an HA (CA, whatever) only arena with no MA to go to for several months... Then, when you did open up the MA again it would be hard at first to get people into it.
My suggestion for those who like axis vs allied is... If you are happy with the occasional scenario, stick with AH. If that isn't enough dreary axis vs allied for you then WB is probly your salvation.
lazs
Ditto. The grass is always greener on the other side syndrom.
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I've flown there exclusively since it was opened.
AKDejaVu
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To this subject I will only add this... Aces High is a online multiplayer sim... if I wanted to play single player, I'd choose a boxed sim. During the times there were decent #'s in that CA, that MA was down to about 55 or so... and anything below 70 can get a bit lonely in my opinion. I think the 'idea' of the CA is great... I just worry if we have enough pilots to support it.
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Simple fix..... just lower the subscribtion rate for HA flyers.
;p
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oh look.. the grass is greener over there .... uh, maybe it isn't..
I'd fly there more as the dar/icon change is for the better. BUT, you have to have a good deal of time to kill to find a fight when there are 20 ppl in there let alone half a dozen or less.. Map currently too big for # of hardcore currently utilizing the arena. I check it everytime I go online but need higher numbers to justify the time, I enjoy flying but enjoy dying/killing more :)
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I've flown there exclusively since it was opened.
AKDejaVu
So, I’ve been hunting rook F6F’s for nothing :D.
Glad you all got it. Have fun. I don’t see it replacing the MA anytime soon which is fine with me.
Zippatuh
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need smaller map and more a/c. a p38 and p51b and a 205 and zeke would be nice.
It would still be axis vs allied.
I love the CA, but its not worth being in such a huge map fighting on the same sector always and waiting for the 5 cv's to get near the shore to start the cv vs airfield spawn war.
And the icon setting and bar dar settings RULE!!!
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Everyone is doing the summer thing. Give it some time.
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Jeezus.. listen to these guys swing hammers on the nails for the CA's coffin...
NEWS>> it ain't DEAD.. it just needs a new map and planeset.
FWIW, you woudn't of dug it anyway Rude.. Norway map; mosta the LW stuff enabled but only a Brit planeset. Brit forces said the hell with the long flight; placed CV's off the norway coast and for the most part played 'dodge' to B&Z'in G10's and FW's.
Next map and planest will be better.
And you guys pissin on the parade; get off yer high horses.. it's a new program; give HTC time to bring it along!
[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Hangtime ]
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The scale of the terrin is excellent for large multi-frame scenarios but it is just too large for the "fly when I can get the time" seedlings to risk going in there looking for a decent scrap. I tried the other night and after about fifteen minutes I was barely halfway to the nearest enemy field and no one, not even one, adversary had logged on.
That being said, the idea of an arena giving historic match-ups a chance to compete is great. The CT is an excellent diversion. It needs to be tweeked and I will be happy to offer my time to grow the crowd when the travel time to a decent fight is not so prohibitive.
The only other thing I would say is this: Yes Lazs1, you are in the large majority when describing your preference for fantasy fun furballs. I agree with you and enjoy it as well. However, I am happy to have the opportunity to choose a change of pace when the mood strikes me (and provided I have an interest in the offered planesets. BoB bores this kid to death).
In my estimation, this is a format that HTC needs to offer to entice the smaller more exclusive dedicated historical types.
Yeager
[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Yeager ]
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New planeset and map in place in the CT now... Channel; early war.
... hey Laz; get this; the spit9 is PERKED! 10 points!! and the LW perk plane is a 190A5... for only FIVE points.
aHehhehhe..
HAHAHHAHHAHAH
whohohoho hahhahha hehheh... ahhhhhh crap.
I'll be back in 6 months when we get to 1944. *sigh* I can't fly a damn spit or a freakin 109. Somebody pass me a hammer and some of those nails fer this coffin.
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Flew in there tonight, had a blast. We ran a big mission (as close to a historical "Circus" as I could come up with) and had the LW chasing us all over the channel coast. :)
<S> Opportunists and Waffles!
New planeset and map in place in the CT now... Channel; early war.
... hey Laz; get this; the spit9 is PERKED! 10 points!! and the LW perk plane is a 190A5... for only FIVE points.
aHehhehhe..
You mean there was a period of the war where Spit 9 was more rare than Fw 190A? And there were no P-51D's? Heaven forbid! :)
If you want all-late-war-monsters all the time, try the MA! That's what it's there for. And then you want some quasi-historical stuff, hit the CT again. That's what it's there for!
It's just like breakfast. I like Frosted Mini-Wheats. But if I eat it every day for two years, eventually I get tired of it. So some days I eat Rice Krispies, or Raisin Bran. After eating Frosted Mini-Wheats every day for a two years, the other cereals taste great. It doesn't mean I can't ever again eat Frosted Mini-Wheats. Because they are so dang fiber-licous, I end up eating them again. But thank God I have alternative cereals, so I don't have to eat the same one every day. Otherwise I'd probably stop eating cereal altogether.
[ 08-15-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Yup,
Just got out of there. Very much improved.
Good challenging fights 109s vrs Spits over a reasonable and entertaining short hop terrain scale.
Pyro could really turn this into something fantastic with eastern front, pacific campaigns, africa.....early, mid late rotated every few days or every weekend....
Very nice!
Y
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If only wheather would affect plane performance here it'd be a nice neat Eastern Front scenario.
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I just got out of there myself- posted a cheesy little AAR on my one real flight there. First flight was really a nothing- it consisted of fester and 3 other 190s and 2 109s making BnZ passes at any spits dumb enough to take off from the base they were circling. Second flight was VERY entertaining though.
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You will see crew from 249 Sqdn RAF and 312 Sqdn RAF who currently hang out in Warbirds if the CT gets better supported.
Ramjet
COS, Command HQ
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The CA is definatly taking baby steps right now but with the introduction of the Europe terrain it does peak my interest more.
Flying the Spit V is similar to training I suppose :). Don't know how long it will take me to get enough points to fly a Spit IX.
Even though the flights are long and I spend most of my time trying to catch faster planes I will still continue to use the CA as my primary arena. I really feel much more immersion in that arena than I ever have in the Main.
This isn't for everyone and I certainly don't disparage those that don't care for it and I don't consider myself to be too much of a historical freak. I have found the fights in there to be more intense and heart pounding though probably due as much to the flight time factor as anything. It does "cost" more to loose a fight it seems than in the Main.
Personaly I hope they keep the larget scale maps and look forward to some of those missions that funked has been putting up. Sorry I wasn't in there to join the one last night.
(http://home.att.net/~lmluper/markatsig.jpg) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
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Originally posted by popeye:
Actually, the Realism Crowd is in the CA, but they are in boot camp. In six weeks they will be flying Stearmans, then go on to AT6s.
:)
I didn't pass the physical - MA for me :D
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It looks promising. Rolling Perk Set... should be very interesting.
I'll fly there some when I have time, and when there are planes available that I am interested in. Flying Hurris in there will be a blast!
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Had some fun with the early war plane set last night. Refreshing to hear, "ping...ping...ping...BOOOM", instead of just "BOOM".
The CA REALLY needs dot radar in the tower. Wandering around looking for the enemy is very "unhistoric", and not much fun. ;-> Hope to see this added in 1.08.
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"Seems like a good idea. Might attract some early war fans for a while...eh, lazs?"
Well yeah.... but we got no early war planes and adding a hurri to the current set isn't gonna do it for me. With "realistic" planesets that means an f4f would be useless for a while too...
I agree that it is nice to have another arena... More choice is allways better it's just that it only works in theory. There can be only one kinda thing. The MA will allways offer the most parity, choice and variety. The HA will allways piss off half the people or more that are in it (or would go into it). "I'm not flying a Spit 5 against 190's with 2/1 odds" kinda thing... Or, "I can't fly my (fill in blank) so I'm gonna skip the HA till it comes around). The numbers will be off balance the planesets will be uneven etc...
funked pointed it out... for an HA you need to have the 190 more common than the inferior Spit9.... The HA is all about seal clubbing.
RPS is interesting. rolling perk set is anal. The good thing is if early war planes are added to the CA/HA all euro all the time arena then we will get em in the MA perhaps we will even get a modified RPS with a couple of days at the begginning of the tour for early war planes... Better we get an "area" arena but I doubt that will happen..
right now people are being nicey nice.. "oh, it didn't bother me that we were outnumbered 2/1 and had to fly bi wings against 190's it just felt sooo historical!". Soon it will be "this isn't fun or fair".
To sum it up... If any arena has to get hurt I hope it's the ca/ha.
lazs
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Ramjet, how do you mean? In what ways?
lol Mark, I was really watching my points to see when I could ask the Wing Commander for a Spitfire MK IX last night. Made it halfway when I realised I'd been flking too long and needed to quit to get sleep. :)
Ditto Popeye! Even better for me was asking my crew captain to exchang all my tracers for regular roiunds. With no tracers I found it easier to land hits as the enemy plane did not evade as hard (as when they see tracers wizzingin by). I re-learned that one the hard way from Fester.
Westy
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RJ, hope ya come over. Will be good to see ya in an arena again :) "ammomn"
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Hmm Lazs... I spent several hours in the CT last night. I flew 109's, took me 3 hrs to get my 1st kill, followed by my last within about 2 minutes. The rest of the time... I was gettin slapped hard.. 4-5 hrs in the CT, 2 kills 3 assists, and about 12 deaths.
At the moment, the players in the CT are some of the best sticks in the game. Its not the aircraft doing the clubbin, its the guys behind the sticks.
SKurj
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possibly skurj but i've heard that tired old jingle before... "we in the HA are the elite.. the best sticks in the game". I never believed it and still don't. I allways did about the same or better in the HA as in the MA. I have seen the best sticks in the game be in the MA and a bunch of buffoons in the HA... it really is no difference.
I believe that the more fites you get into the better at fites you get... the more varied and bigger the fites the more experiance you get. The more spread out and unvaried the planeset the better you get at judging E states.
When we get early war planes I may go in there during the early war rps and prove what I've said. If you do worse in the HA then you aren't really fighting in the MA.
lazs
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If you do worse in the HA then you aren't really fighting in the MA.
errmm what is that supposed to mean?
SKurj
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Quick summary of Laz....
mindless furballing dork
:) :rolleyes:
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At the moment, the players in the CT are some of the best sticks in the game. Its not the aircraft doing the clubbin, its the guys behind the sticks.
Oh thank you very much,,,,a bit over the goal,,but thank you<bowing> :D
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Just had my first day of being a paid subscriber and spent all my time in the CT.
Can it get better? Yes, but I am very happy with results. I did a little of everything:
Flew both 109F4 and Spitfire MkV.
Lone fighter sweeps across the channel into swarms of enemy fighters (after all the time I spent in h2h, 5 to 10 fighters seem like a swarm).
Full fledged bomber mission where I flew in formation and dropped on command from the mission leader.
I just hope more people find it as fun as I do so it doesn't go away. I would love to see a 24 plane B-17 formation at 20000 feet with 12 or so fighter escorts at 30000 feet engaged by a horde of the LW's best.
If the CT goes away, I will try the main arena, but I suspect I will end up back in hth and have to settle for 4vs4 for good historical matchups.
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I like both the new scenerios but until you can capture bases and improve your country's position,it is just a giant furball to me.I'd like to see the channel map in the MA once with only two country's involved.
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It appears (to a casual observer) ;) that in AH, "most" of the guys aren't really that concerned with creating any sort of "historical match up" system as the "main" emphasis of the sim. So the CT fans (just couldn't call it the HA, now couldja?) are going to have a harder time generating critical mass.
Well, it took a few YEARS, but "over there," the trick to HA popularity is to create "informal events." Set up a loose "scenario," i.e. Battle of Britain Night, and then see if you can get one or two squads interested. Usually a B-17/P-51/P-47 vs 190/109 bombing mission is a popular setup. Everyone comes in for a couple of hours, has fun, and then goes back to the Mayhem Arena.
If a couple guys kinda take informal "command" of the idea, you can figure out which setups are the most popular, and run different ones several times weekly.
Better than chewing your fingernails about having them "replace" your MA with the HA (yeah, right) and sniping at each other all the time, anyway...
[ 08-17-2001: Message edited by: jedi ]
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You are 100% correct Jedi.
In AH the doers are not neatly enough. There are not as many as there is (or was) in AW and definately not as many as are in WB's.
More AH folks need to step to the plate and give it a whirl. Those who have the time I mean. There are some, such as I, who would love to get more involved -directly- but rl obligations prohibit that.
Westy
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Originally posted by jedi:
Better than chewing your fingernails about having them "replace" your MA with the HA (yeah, right) and sniping at each other all the time, anyway...
Sniping at each other is what they enjoy. They'd do it even if they had nothing to bicker about. They'd invent something!
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deez... "mindless furballer" coming from you is a joke. I watched you furball and you simply are.... mindless. Not only that but you cry like a baby on channel one the whole time. Plus... I asked you why u were doing it sence you had so very little talent at it and you said it was to prove how dumb it was. for me and all the guys who killed you it simply proved how dumb you were.
jedi.. I agree. I have said in the past that to have any kind of historical matchups or scenarios in the HA you need to have leaders and people taking orders.... I get plenty of that (including the boredom) at work.
lazs
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Yeah.. furballing is so mindless (http://gandalf.totalcs.com/ahinfo/mark/190A5Furball.zip) that anyone can do it!!! (http://www.mpz.co.uk/cwm/cwm/cwm/eek3.gif)
-SW