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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: captain1ma on November 30, 2008, 11:05:06 AM
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See Rule #4
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is there any way to make a cap of say10k .
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I bid 15K. ;)
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for thoses of you who dont know, the AVA is a place for a higher class of player. these rules are not enforced but are expected to a point. yes all rules get broken but we try to keep it to a minimum to keep it civilized. take this for what its worth. it will make the experience for new AVA players much nicer.
1. we dont vulch unless we're taking a base. vulching in general is frowned apon in the AVA
2. We keep HO'ing to a minimum. yes there are times when we all HO but again its frowned apon.
3. picking-- AVA is about 1V1. if you gonna jump in, ask first. if its a furball, all bets are off go for it
4. alt monkeys-- we try to keep things around 5k, nothing stopping you from flying higher, but if im in there ill be down on the deck. have fun with that nose bleed.
5. killing radar for fun-- please dont unless you're gonna capture the base, it spoils the fun for the rest of us.
yes everyone doesnt play the same way and have the same goals, but its a better experience over-all. we're trying to make it a place thats fun for everyone and has the aspects of each different type of battles.
again these are guidelines and are not enforced, but we'd appeciate your co-operation. thanks
Who cares about your rules? Is that supposed to define what is fun? You can't tell people what is fun, nor can you enforce any kind of rules in the AvA.
The only results you can achieve with your set of rules is that a) oldtimers and vets will stay away from your imaginary playground and b) newer players who do get sucked in learn the way of the tard.
:aok
Now if there's a event going on, longer one spanning days or weeks even or a small one with squads doing a scenario, that's a whole different deal. In those cases rules are set to achieve greater realism and immersion for the sake of the scenario. General rules of the AvA, sure you can have an agreement among your friends but never enforce them upon others. You will be frowned upon.
And you wonder why people don't go to the AvA?! Outrageous!
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Well, all those things that Jaeger listed are just some common courtesy traits that have been fostered in the AVA for a long time. Much longer than you have been there Vortex.
As far as keeping oldtimers and vets away, it's the ack hugging, radar porking and altmonkeys that make us spend less time in there.
So, a question for you. Is porking Dar at a field where there is some good fights going on your idea of fun? I hope not, but if it is then prepare to be ridden like a rented mule.
Jaeger just posted some of the unwritten rules that we have, by and large, tried to adhere to these past 7 or 8 years here. Started back when the AVA was in it's original form as the CT, 'round abouts when you were probably still wearing a diaper.
So I suggest that when there isn't a "war scenario" going on, why not check yer purse at the door, come on in and have a joust or two with us "oldtimers". Who knows, you might even have some fun.
RTR
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So, the AvA is the place where historical flying is frowned upon. Got ya. Have fun fighting 1v1 with the same 5 people you've been fighting over the past few years while I go out and have fun. :salute
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So RTR, insulting people, is that also on your fun list? Seeing how you do it with such flair I will assume it is, no?
Was active in Fighter ace from '98, switched to Aces High some time in 2001-2002. Didn't register on the boards until years after and had at that time changed name (acct) one or two times. Didn't fly with a squad for years.
As for your other comments, I really don't care much because what you do is your business. Griefing is never fun (some retards think it is), I never intend to ruin the fun for anyone, unless it's about getting shot down. I've been known to shoot a few people down every now and then in the past.
It's a game, people are here looking for fun. If you want to have set rules among your friends nothing can stop you but at the same time you can never tell others how to play the game. Unless it's a matter of pure griefing.
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Well, all those things that Jaeger listed are just some common courtesy traits that have been fostered in the AVA for a long time. Much longer than you have been there Vortex.
As far as keeping oldtimers and vets away, it's the ack hugging, radar porking and altmonkeys that make us spend less time in there.
So, a question for you. Is porking Dar at a field where there is some good fights going on your idea of fun? I hope not, but if it is then prepare to be ridden like a rented mule.
Jaeger just posted some of the unwritten rules that we have, by and large, tried to adhere to these past 7 or 8 years here. Started back when the AVA was in it's original form as the CT, 'round abouts when you were probably still wearing a diaper.
So I suggest that when there isn't a "war scenario" going on, why not check yer purse at the door, come on in and have a joust or two with us "oldtimers". Who knows, you might even have some fun.
RTR
Get this man a beer. :aok
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I like to pork rader, it makes me warm and fuzzy inside :rolleyes:
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How about instead of flaming each other one whether there should be rules or not (as we have done at least a dozen times that I can remember) we do this:
I, {yourname}, pledge to follow these rules/guidelines.
or
I, {yourname}, do not agree to these rules/guidelines.
If you think they are stupid, really no need to reply, just do your own thing and have a merry time. If you want to abide, let it be known. In the end, the AvA is so small, we all know who does what. If you spend enough time in the AvA you can often tell who your opponent is simply by the way he merges.
Anyhow, just a suggestion on how to save a thread from the looming flame induced lock.
So...
I, Republic, pledge to follow these rules/guidelines.
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I like to pork rader, it makes me warm and fuzzy inside :rolleyes:
Yeah for some people fighting radars is a challenge because sometimes you can run into it.
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heh, well, I didn't really see anything insulting in my post. Maybe your skin is on too tight?
Other than that, It's not rules among me andmy friends. It is what was always understood by the old regulars in the CT.
We went there for fights between historically accurate adversaries (okay..as accurate as we could come with the planeset). It wasn't about porking fields and winning a war. That was what the MA was for. It wasn't about running full blown scenarios (wars). That was what SEA was for.
Saying what you want the AVA to be isn't going to change that. It's the history of it.
Maybe your squad would enjoy the scenarios that are coming up better.
cheers,
RTR
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This is all pretty common sense etiquette. Either you're going to follow it, which you normally would, or you're not, which would not be changed by someone posting a thinly veiled set of rules.
I think anyone here is smart enough to realize that, so I can't imagine any other reason for this thread other than to stir the pot.
Which clearly worked. :lol
That being said, the AvA is a nice place to fight, and it would be nice if that could be partially preserved. Of course that wouldn't be possible with larger numbers, and I don't think anybody would like to see a damper put on down-'n'-dirty free for all furballing.
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I have no problem with you guys having your own rules between eachother. Don't expect me to follow them though, or anyone else for that matter. Furthermore, don't complain about us not abiding to your rules. It is our arena as much as it is yours, anyone can log in at anytime as long as he/she is a paying AH customer. Actually anyone can go in there and pork radar as much as they want, it's built into the game. It may not be nice but then who's insulting people on the BBS?
I just want to clarify this as new players who come in here might think that it's something supported by HTC in some way and that this is what is expected of them.
By all means play the game the way you want but I will say one more thing, if you would show more tolerance to other players perhaps the AvA crowd would grow.
RTR, if you fail to see the insulting parts of your post. Hmmm well I can't help you I'm afraid, I thought it was obvious. Tight skin? You bet, I'm no fatty! :lol
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Where has been JG11 recently anyway?
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FSOs, MAs... we do what's fun, what we consider fun. It works for us. We'll go into the AvA if we want to but as a squad we've not picked it up yet. Maybe we will or maybe we won't I don't know. As long as it's fun, we're game. :aok
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it seemed you guys were big in the AVA not that long ago and you have 2 members as ava staffers.
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Yeah, I don't know the specifics of the scenarios that were run or what the staffers did but generally we were making a effort to get it going and open it up with a historical gameplay. Ask Stampf if you want to know specifics but I'll tell you what I know.
The old AvA crowd complained and wanted their playground back, which was what happened in the end since the war scenarios were spoilt by people in the same squad flying for both sides etc. There were in that case set rules for each scenario endorsed by HTC and the AvA staff but not followed by some players, which offset the whole effort and scenario goals. Add to that some problems in the design of the scenarios and the initial success became a mess as most people simply didn't have fun anymore.
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The old AvA crowd complained and wanted their playground back, which was what happened in the end since the war scenarios were spoilt by people in the same squad flying for both sides etc. There were in that case set rules for each scenario endorsed by HTC and the AvA staff but not followed by some players, which offset the whole effort and scenario goals.
Didnt you just get done saying you cant tell other people how to play?
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I kinda gave up on it myself because my disco problems seemed way worse in that particular arena.
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I have no problem with you guys having your own rules between eachother. Don't expect me to follow them though, or anyone else for that matter. Furthermore, don't complain about us not abiding to your rules. It is our arena as much as it is yours, anyone can log in at anytime as long as he/she is a paying AH customer. Actually anyone can go in there and pork radar as much as they want, it's built into the game. It may not be nice but then who's insulting people on the BBS?
I just want to clarify this as new players who come in here might think that it's something supported by HTC in some way and that this is what is expected of them.
By all means play the game the way you want but I will say one more thing, if you would show more tolerance to other players perhaps the AvA crowd would grow.
RTR, if you fail to see the insulting parts of your post. Hmmm well I can't help you I'm afraid, I thought it was obvious. Tight skin? You bet, I'm no fatty! :lol
Heh, okay here we go: Once again, they are not MY rules. They are a set of common courtesies that have been fostered there over quite a few years.
What you "seem" to be fostering is that it is perfectly okay to milkrun and pork fields in an arena where people go for the fight, and hinder their enjoyment because you have $14.95 that says you can play how you want.
The simple fact is, everything that we don't really normally do in the AVA can be had in the MA's for the same price. The maps there are large enough that an individual, or squad, could pork away unmolested and have a ball.
I don't propose dictating to new people entering the arena how they should fight or comport themselves. What I am saying is that by adhering to a set of unwritten rules, we can show new people that there are some good fights and a better sense of camaraderie in the AVA than in the meatgrinders of the MA's.
There, I haven't written anything insulting. Do you have a problem with fat people or something? :lol
RTR
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Was I not clear enough?
In it's current form, the AvA has no special rules attached to it. When running a war or scenario in any form, there are additional rules. One of those rules were that a squad register to fight/fly for one side only. This rule was not followed by a few squads. They said it was for play balance and fun but in the end ruined the effort. Imho primarily it was the scenario design that was at fault.
Did that answer your question?
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Was I not clear enough?
Did you not see the quote I was responding to?
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LMAO, I see they are declairing their own personal Dueling Arena again; Like I mentioned before, just a few more flushes and the arena may attract more people again.
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Was I not clear enough?
In it's current form, the AvA has no special rules attached to it. When running a war or scenario in any form, there are additional rules. One of those rules were that a squad register to fight/fly for one side only. This rule was not followed by a few squads. They said it was for play balance and fun but in the end ruined the effort. Imho primarily it was the scenario design that was at fault.
Did that answer your question?
Like you said AvA is an open arena. Even if a war is going on you cant tell people they have to sign up and fly only on one side. I was told by staff during the first war that it was only temporary and it would over fast. After about six months of non stop wars some people got sick of them and said screw it they'll fly both sides and do what they want. I for one am glad there isn't another "war" going on. In the last month there have been great fights and small furballs going on. Hell today there were about fifteen people on at 2pm. There were people passing up 1v1 to go find an enemy plane and that was great not having to worry about that other guy jumping in. There was one guy that came in trying to ruin the good fights like he always does by killing radar but it didn't happen and he logged. I hope the AvA stays like it has been since the BoB setup because this is AvA at its best.
waaa my sqaud and I got beat up so we left the arena now Ill troll the boards because thats all I can do now.
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Yeah for some people fighting radars is a challenge because sometimes you can run into it.
hahaha :)
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Heh, okay here we go: Once again, they are not MY rules. They are a set of common courtesies that have been fostered there over quite a few years.
What you "seem" to be fostering is that it is perfectly okay to milkrun and pork fields in an arena where people go for the fight, and hinder their enjoyment because you have $14.95 that says you can play how you want.
The simple fact is, everything that we don't really normally do in the AVA can be had in the MA's for the same price. The maps there are large enough that an individual, or squad, could pork away unmolested and have a ball.
I don't propose dictating to new people entering the arena how they should fight or comport themselves. What I am saying is that by adhering to a set of unwritten rules, we can show new people that there are some good fights and a better sense of camaraderie in the AVA than in the meatgrinders of the MA's.
There, I haven't written anything insulting. Do you have a problem with fat people or something? :lol
RTR
Yes, I have a problem with fat people. They eat too much and take up too much space! :lol
Seriously though. I'm not fostering porking, just saying that it's allowed by the game so, what is there to do about it? Should we boot people for porking? That'd leave HTC with fewer customers and in the end us with a game of lesser quality. Booting paying customers is not something that a game developer would want to do, it's the very far end of actions a company would not want to do.
I don't like porking any more than you do, I don't like it in the MA but there you can just relocate to establish a CAP over the porked field to shoot down the porkers and pickers instead. Alternatively just leave the area and find a different fight. There are generally speaking many more options in the MAs. Historical? No. Fun? The majority of times yes.
If or when I go to the AvA I'm there for the fights. I'm not the bomber type of guy. Predominantly a D-9 pilot I do what that a/c is best at, dominate from higher alt. The D-9 is no dogfighter, it's fast and hit hard. If you have a problem with that it's not my problem, is all I'm saying.
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RTR my reply "Was I not clear enough?" was to Larry. A few posts got in between.
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it seemed you guys were big in the AVA not that long ago and you have 2 members as ava staffers.
Just to clarify, I am no longer a staffer, I chose to resign my privileges. Forum stuff just needs to catch up though, sorry about the confusion. <S>
Carry on.... :frown:
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I follow those common courtesys in the MA too, I suppose I just have a higher expectation for people? :confused:
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Like you said AvA is an open arena. Even if a war is going on you cant tell people they have to sign up and fly only on one side. I was told by staff during the first war that it was only temporary and it would over fast. After about six months of non stop wars some people got sick of them and said screw it they'll fly both sides and do what they want. I for one am glad there isn't another "war" going on. In the last month there have been great fights and small furballs going on. Hell today there were about fifteen people on at 2pm. There were people passing up 1v1 to go find an enemy plane and that was great not having to worry about that other guy jumping in. There was one guy that came in trying to ruin the good fights like he always does by killing radar but it didn't happen and he logged. I hope the AvA stays like it has been since the BoB setup because this is AvA at its best.
What you are describing is a perfect match for the Dueling Arena. Are you aware of this? Is it that you want a dueling arena and the historical gameplay? If so you can duel all you want with friends but still you have no right to tell people how they should play the arena since it's not a dueling arena.
HTC's description of the arena says:
"The Axis versus Allies arena is set up for historical gameplay. There is a two sided war, a limited plane set, and reduced radar."
Nothing more, nothing less.
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Yes, I have a problem with fat people. They eat too much and take up too much space! :lol
:rofl
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LMAO, I see they are declairing their own personal Dueling Arena again; Like I mentioned before, just a few more flushes and the arena may attract more people again.
LMAO!
Speaking of rented mules
RTR
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What you are describing is a perfect match for the Dueling Arena. Are you aware of this? Is it that you want a dueling arena and the historical gameplay? If so you can duel all you want with friends but still you have no right to tell people how they should play the arena since it's not a dueling arena.
HTC's description of the arena says:
"The Axis versus Allies arena is set up for historical gameplay. There is a two sided war, a limited plane set, and reduced radar."
Nothing more, nothing less.
Do you know what a duel even is? Its a 1v1 with the same loadout and fuel.
I don't need you to tell me what the HTC description is of the AvA. Iv probably logged more hours in there alone then you have in the entire game. Iv been through its ups and downs. Where were you when it was 1v1 or 2v2 every night after AH2 came out almost killed it? So please don't tell me how the arena "should" be because if it wasn't for people like us who kept the CT/AvA alive after AH2 there wouldn't be one around today.
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LOL Larry, y'all need to switch to decaf; is that a bead of sweat or a tear?
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LOL Larry, y'all need to switch to decaf; is that a bead of sweat or a tear?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,249309.0.html
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Do you know what a duel even is? Its a 1v1 with the same loadout and fuel.
I don't need you to tell me what the HTC description is of the AvA. Iv probably logged more hours in there alone then you have in the entire game. Iv been through its ups and downs. Where were you when it was 1v1 or 2v2 every night after AH2 came out almost killed it? So please don't tell me how the arena "should" be because if it wasn't for people like us who kept the CT/AvA alive after AH2 there wouldn't be one around today.
Is it even possible to be more self-righteous than that? I think not.
If you want to have a grown up discussion you'll need to produce more than rants.
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Poor Billy Ocean :cry
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Yes, I have a problem with fat people. They eat too much and take up too much space! :lol
If or when I go to the AvA I'm there for the fights. I'm not the bomber type of guy. Predominantly a D-9 pilot I do what that a/c is best at, dominate from higher alt. The D-9 is no dogfighter, it's fast and hit hard. If you have a problem with that it's not my problem, is all I'm saying.
The Dora eh? Yep I have a bit of time in that too (although quite a while ago). Yes it does dominate at higher altitude. Don't get me wrong, We don't expect everyone to merge CO-Alt, but carrying 5 or 6 K altitude over your opponent is a waste of climb time. The Dora is a much more capable fighter than I think you give it credit for. It isn't a knife fighter, that's for sure, but it does some fairly handy close in work if you let it, and doesn't need a high perch to sit on. There are some sticks in here who have handed me my butt on a platter with that bird, and in some cases it was like a knife fight in a phone booth.
Carry a bit of altitude? Sure, use its advantages. Just don't see the need for 10K is all.
As far as fat people go, don't get behind them in the buffet line and don't buy wicker furniture. ;)
RTR
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guess you're done then.
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Wow, at some point between when I took a break (about 4 months ago) and now the environment here has gotten even more volatile. (I thought it not possible!)
Lutrel, surely you don't hate all JG-54, I'd still like to see a monthly B-52 image, and Vortex used to be IN JG-54 so you can't hate us all either. Either I'm getting early oldtimers or some foul things have transpired that I'm completely oblivious to. :noid
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Wow, at some point between when I took a break (about 4 months ago) and now the environment here has gotten even more volatile. (I thought it not possible!)
Lutrel, surely you don't hate all JG-54, I'd still like to see a monthly B-52 image, and Vortex used to be IN JG-54 so you can't hate us all either. Either I'm getting early oldtimers or some foul things have transpired that I'm completely oblivious to. :noid
It's not all that bad, I don't think. Other than this thread and the one skuzzy locked it's been pretty nice in here.... it's certainly been pretty quiet online...
At this point I think it's just gotten down to old rivalries which just need to die.
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guess you're done then.
No, you are. Obviously we are not agreeing on a number of things. For one you can't even quote me correctly. You see what you want to see. I percieve that as a weakness. Of course you won't agree and I don't expect you to. If you consider this forum bashing a game, or something that you enjoy, I pity you.
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Some just don't understand Mr. Jeager's sense of humor. :rolleyes:
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Yeah this kinda got derailed a bit.
Sorry Jaeger! But we did rent you a mule for the evening :D
RTR
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Well crap, since it's going down the tubes anyhow...
HTC's description of the arena says:
"The Axis versus Allies arena is set up for historical gameplay. There is a two sided war, a limited plane set, and reduced radar."
Nothing more, nothing less.
The reason I agree with Jaeger's code of conduct, is that when I joined AH in 2005 the Axis vs Allies arena was linked to here http://ahevents.org/misc/axis-vs-allied-arena-information.html and as stated there:
Unlike the Main Arena’s field capture is not the focus, but rather fair and balanced aircraft engagements. Vulching is frowned upon as is spawn camping. All players are expected to behave in a polite and chivalrous manner. Rude heckling and insulting behavior will not be tolerated by any AvA staff.
I agree that they are not HTC rules, but merely suggestions/guidelines made by the AvA staff themselves. For myself, that is how I was introduced to the AvA, and probably many of the others who agree with those guidelines.
So it's not unreasonable for someone to want to encourage others to fly by those rules, as per the AvA site. It's also not unreasonable for someone to say "heck it's my 15 bucks I'll do what I want" as per flyaceshigh.com
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Well crap, since it's going down the tubes anyhow...
The reason I agree with Jaeger's code of conduct, is that when I joined AH in 2005 the Axis vs Allies arena was linked to here http://ahevents.org/misc/axis-vs-allied-arena-information.html and as stated there:
I agree that they are not HTC rules, but merely suggestions/guidelines made by the AvA staff themselves. For myself, that is how I was introduced to the AvA, and probably many of the others who agree with those guidelines.
So it's not unreasonable for someone to want to encourage others to fly by those rules, as per the AvA site. It's also not unreasonable for someone to say "heck it's my 15 bucks I'll do what I want" as per flyaceshigh.com
I totally understand this viewpoint, and also agree with what these "guidelines" aim to achieve. A more fun and balanced arena for all. Where this entire train of "higher class of player" and chivalry derail though, is right here on the BBS but it doesn't stop there. The general attitude is the same ingame, not surprising. This is where I totally disagree, there is no need to behave like that. It destroys the original good intentions of the rules.
If the fault is on a individual level, squad level or arena level I do not know, but having people fling poo at eachother on the boards doesn't help anyone, least of all the arena.
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I just wanted to INform the new people of some of our expected behaviors, they can do as they please. i dont expect anything from 33vortex other then the negativity he has already projected.
this started out as a pretty good thread but again 33vortex just cant included anything positive to the thread. maybe someone needs needs to remove whatever it is thats stuck in his craw!!
again more negativity. just wish some of you would live by the golden rule-- "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all"
thanks for reading.
edit-- when was the last time you flew ava 33Vortex??
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I just wanted to INform the new people of some of our expected behaviors, they can do as they please. i dont expect anything from 33vortex other then the negativity he has already projected.
this started out as a pretty good thread but again 33vortex just cant included anything positive to the thread. maybe someone needs needs to remove whatever it is thats stuck in his craw!!
again more negativity. just wish some of you would live by the golden rule-- "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all"
thanks for reading.
That's your "higher class" player right there. :aok
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edit-- when was the last time you flew ava 33Vortex??
I don't recall, but you weren't there.
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well i'm in there almost every night, so stop crying and add something constuctive for a change. we're trying to make it better and you and your whines arent helping. please stop....please... pretty please....
tell stampf i said hi!!
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I totally understand this viewpoint, and also agree with what these "guidelines" aim to achieve. A more fun and balanced arena for all. Where this entire train of "higher class of player" and chivalry derail though, is right here on the BBS but it doesn't stop there. The general attitude is the same ingame, not surprising. This is where I totally disagree, there is no need to behave like that. It destroys the original good intentions of the rules.
If the fault is on a individual level, squad level or arena level I do not know, but having people fling poo at eachother on the boards doesn't help anyone, least of all the arena.
This is a fine post, and I believe we can all agree with it (and please don't hit us with the "He started it!" routine, anyone).
As Jaeger pointed out, there was once a "code" that most people followed. That may no longer be true, much time has passed and we've spent nearly a year now on a War footing. It was nice of Jaeger to post this, because many new folks possibly wonder why older players complain about HOs and porking and ganging and so on, and now they understand. But as others have noted, this is a historic arena; if it pleases you to send four planes to attack one, which is quite accurate history, there's no reason you can't. You will understand, though, why some people criticize you for that. You may avoid the arena because you can't employ tactics which were used in WWII. They may avoid the arena because they find those tactics to reduce the sporting aspect of what is, after all, a game.
We would like to keep both sets of people happy here, but as you can see, some restraint is required on both sides. If you get ganged, try to keep your mouth shut, remember that it's not a real life you just lost, and look for a better fight on your re-up. If you're the ganger, possibly you can accomplish your goal with two planes instead of four. (I defer to others to comment on how to be a nice porker, it's undoubtedly possible.)
And hey, most of those posting in this forum really enjoy some aspect of AvA. Can we treat each other with a bit of respect, since we're all out to improve the same thing?
- oldman
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...so stop crying and add something constuctive for a change...
I'm sorry to have to tell you this Jaeger but the crying part is all in your imagination and if you can't see the constructive bits of my posts I can not help you. Perhaps you ought to read what Oldman posted above?
As for stopping, that's easy, but then you wouldn't have the benefit of my input. Want to keep it on a nice level? It's all very simple really. Stay on a nice level.
:aok
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Glad the ava is better with storch gone. :rofl
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The AvA guys are just determined to keep people out.
Rules like these are meant purely to substitute for lacked SA and/or skills.
Luckily they aren't really rules and it is really fun to break them in front of people who think they are rules.
CYA in the AvA
PS....Look up as I will definitely be high, usually with three wingmen and I'll be the one that "picks" while my wingman is pressing you.
In the Navy, it's called Loose Deuce.
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This is a fine post, and I believe we can all agree with it (and please don't hit us with the "He started it!" routine, anyone).
As Jaeger pointed out, there was once a "code" that most people followed. That may no longer be true, much time has passed and we've spent nearly a year now on a War footing. It was nice of Jaeger to post this, because many new folks possibly wonder why older players complain about HOs and porking and ganging and so on, and now they understand. But as others have noted, this is a historic arena; if it pleases you to send four planes to attack one, which is quite accurate history, there's no reason you can't. You will understand, though, why some people criticize you for that. You may avoid the arena because you can't employ tactics which were used in WWII. They may avoid the arena because they find those tactics to reduce the sporting aspect of what is, after all, a game.
We would like to keep both sets of people happy here, but as you can see, some restraint is required on both sides. If you get ganged, try to keep your mouth shut, remember that it's not a real life you just lost, and look for a better fight on your re-up. If you're the ganger, possibly you can accomplish your goal with two planes instead of four. (I defer to others to comment on how to be a nice porker, it's undoubtedly possible.)
And hey, most of those posting in this forum really enjoy some aspect of AvA. Can we treat each other with a bit of respect, since we're all out to improve the same thing?
- oldman
nice post, Oldman......
is the cycle called evolution.things never remain the same, yet they do come back around as time goes on........
lutrel, remember when your squad first arrived and hit the AvsA? your guys would go in early and kill all radar and gang 5/6/8 on 1 person......
this was the 1st REAL Changing from old unwritten code to new AvsA war footing......looks like it never got to far........
I miss fighting the JG54 ( Larry, Storch, Tbarone, Tyrant.miss the fights with Eagler, Ltarget, Duke, Oldman, Dedalos, Shane, etc......) everyone had respect for each other........ with things changing most ( well at least me ) do not have a desire to go in and see the same old crap I see in all the other arenas including the DA........ FSO's...Scenarios and KOTH is bout all that is left that can hold my interest....since the greenhorns have mass3d and changed the way the game is played.......
edit: you are RIGHT, these are not written rules....it is Good Gameplay Etiquette, it actually helped set the AvsA(old CT Arena ) apart from the whack a mole atmosphere of all other arenas...and the SA and Flying Skills stood out by Far compared to other arenas.......not because of fights being 1 vs 1, 2 vs 1 or 3 vs 1....... it stood out because people had time to actually FIGHT IT OUT...with no worries of some cheap arse picking fool to come SPOIL the damn fight........not that it really matters...the people who play by an unwritten code, always will when they know they are fighting LIKE MINDED individuals..and will smack talk everyone else......knowing 1st hand that if the opponent responds to the smack talk, they then know they have gotten under their skin and know it bothers them on how they play .......
YMMV.......
good luck AvsA Staff.......
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The AvA guys are just determined to keep people out.
Rules like these are meant purely to substitute for lacked SA and/or skills.
Quite the contrary Gumbeau. You would find that your SA and skills that served you well in the MA used to be considerably lacking for what you needed in the CT.
Given the same set of circumstances now, the same would be true I hazard.
Let the squeeking continue.
RTR
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Gumbeau, please don't take my reply being directed straight at you. I made a poor choice of wording there......
and know you can put up a good fight to be had.......
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Quite the contrary Gumbeau. You would find that your SA and skills that served you well in the MA used to be considerably lacking for what you needed in the CT.
Given the same set of circumstances now, the same would be true I hazard.
Let the squeeking continue.
RTR
I don't find this true. With the right people in AvA, I take a 1 vs 1 for granted and lose my SA. I can focus on the fight at hand. I go into MA and get picked. I need higher SA in MA. The high numbers make MA a different game.
Venom
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My oh, my oh, my oh, my...
One thing just keeps playing in my head...
"Why cant weeee be on-line friends, why cant weee be on-line friendssss"
EDIT: I must agree with venom though. In the AvA, i rarely ever find myself getting jumped, even i na 1 v 2 or even a 1 v 3, i find it MUCH easier to track my enemies than in the MA when i run into a
1 v 8. :huh :rolleyes:
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"Why cant weeee be on-line friends, why cant weee be on-line friendssss"
EDIT: I must agree with venom though. In the AvA, i rarely ever find myself getting jumped, even i na 1 v 2 or even a 1 v 3, i find it MUCH easier to track my enemies than in the MA when i run into a
1 v 8. :huh :rolleyes:
Problem is, There IS a higher class of players here (for the most part anyway) . I can go weeks and weeks in the MA without losing an actual "fight" but I go to the AvA and I'll be lucky to get 2 scalps. It stings a bit, definately brings you down a notch, but it's good for your character. When you get all these hot pixel sticks togeather, tensions run high, you see the same person over and over again, soon you get tired of seeing their name in the text buffer. If it wasn't for me personally not caring if I get shot down or not, I would have been pissed at Larry a long time ago, because there's days when he mops the floor with me. I've been going to the AvA for a little over a year now. About 7 months ago, I had taken a break from all this crap and just recently came back to find:
1.)2 of the main AvA squads left completely. (JG11 and The Avengers)
2.) Because of #1, the AvA was completely empty every night
3.) Arguments were more heated than they were before.
Now I'm not taking anyones side, because there's two sides to the story, but what's done is done, water under the bridge, why CAN'T we get along? (quoting Rider) :D
A little over a week ago I started going to the AvA again. Larry and I would just 1v1 for over an hour, and to be honest, it was a blast. Soon people started coming in, seeing numbers in the arena. Over the past three nights, we've had ATLEAST 10 people in the arena, tonight it hit close to 30. Most of those people I didn't regonize, that means new blood is coming in. Chances are they'll come back because they had a nice time away from the crappy gameplay of the MA. So let's use these last few nights as a "toilet flush" and start over, clean slate.
WE'RE ALL ADULTS, LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT, in the real world, we'd probably get along fine
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excuse me while i lol at the hypocrisy. :rofl
for thoses of you who dont know, the AVA is a place for a higher class of player. these rules are not enforced but are expected to a point. yes all rules get broken but we try to keep it to a minimum to keep it civilized. take this for what its worth. it will make the experience for new AVA players much nicer.
1. we dont vulch unless we're taking a base. vulching in general is frowned apon in the AVA
2. We keep HO'ing to a minimum. yes there are times when we all HO but again its frowned apon.
3. picking-- AVA is about 1V1. if you gonna jump in, ask first. if its a furball, all bets are off go for it
4. alt monkeys-- we try to keep things around 5k, nothing stopping you from flying higher, but if im in there ill be down on the deck. have fun with that nose bleed.
5. killing radar for fun-- please dont unless you're gonna capture the base, it spoils the fun for the rest of us.
yes everyone doesnt play the same way and have the same goals, but its a better experience over-all. we're trying to make it a place thats fun for everyone and has the aspects of each different type of battles.
again these are guidelines and are not enforced, but we'd appeciate your co-operation. thanks
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In one ear out the other it seems :rolleyes:
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whoa, read what i said again. :aok
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I know what ya said :D Another argument starter :uhoh
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doesn't really matter.
AvA is getting a two-fer.
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excuse me while i lol at the hypocrisy. :rofl
I see you aren't done whining after the almost 4 hour whine fest in the AvA.
We were letting you 1v1 people but after the whining and you trying to pick 1v1s we got tired of it and went on a shane huntfest. It was funny hearing VWE say "shanes dead" then watch your 10min rant on how everyone else sucks and how you are the best player that ever walked the earth. After a while I wondered to myself how you fit though doorways with an ego like yourselves.
As for that P39 vs 110 fight we had. You got killed fair and square but you always have an excuse when you die. I'm glad I squelched you ch200 was peaceful have that.
Go ahead and post what ever film of you killing me I don't care I'm just a "HOing lamer tard" and you're the all mighty shane. :rolleyes:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/shanevslarry.zip
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VWExx1: Buster's dead
I'm happy you think roping my P-40 is such an accomplishment :aok :rofl
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VWExx1: Buster's dead
I'm happy you think roping my P-40 is such an accomplishment :aok :rofl
:rofl
I think he just likes killing you. :aok
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I think he just likes killing you. :aok
I think he's just vengeful, if he would have announced everytime I got him, you guys wouldn't have had a chance to say anything over vox :D
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I think he's just vengeful, if he would have announced everytime I got him, you guys wouldn't have had a chance to say anything over vox :D
Them sounds like fightin words. :lol
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I'm sorry to have to tell you this Jaeger but the crying part is all in your imagination and if you can't see the constructive bits of my posts I can not help you. Perhaps you ought to read what Oldman posted above?
As for stopping, that's easy, but then you wouldn't have the benefit of my input. Want to keep it on a nice level? It's all very simple really. Stay on a nice level.
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to be honest, ive never seen any benefit from any of your input, its always about who or what sucks. try joining the land of grown-ups for awhile and try not being a "mr. doom and gloom".
i dont see you coming up with any idea's that might help, but rather you spend time putting me and my posts down.
well tag, your it, try coming up with something that doesnt involve my suckage or lameness or dweebyness or anything else you and your "holier then thou" crew can come up with.
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5 pages. Wtg boys :aok
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5 pages. Wtg boys :aok
Still only one page for me. But then again I have mine set to 100 posts per page because I was sick of clicking "next page" after reading ten or so posts.
Lets see if we can get the fire really going....
Last night I was in the arena and saw slash trying to full around with one of tyrants sheep. He smelling like beer and was stumbling around with his paints around his ankles. BTW nice pink poke a dot undies you have slash....
:lol
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Still only one page for me. But then again I have mine set to 100 posts per page because I was sick of clicking "next page" after reading ten or so posts.
I'm on an iphone, I'm not sure my thumbs could handle that much scrolling.
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Bleh cell phones. I cant stand them. Seems these days they stuff as much crap into them then add the phone part at the last second.
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Dude, its not just a "cell phone" its a iphone. sheesh :furious
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Dude, its not just a "cell phone" its a iphone. sheesh :furious
More like a GPS, tazer, Swiss army knife, fishing pole, laptop, camera, TV, camcorder, voice recorder, gaming consol, oh and that whole phone thing.
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The AvA guys are just determined to keep people out.
Rules like these are meant purely to substitute for lacked SA and/or skills.
Luckily they aren't really rules and it is really fun to break them in front of people who think they are rules.
CYA in the AvA
PS....Look up as I will definitely be high, usually with three wingmen and I'll be the one that "picks" while my wingman is pressing you.
In the Navy, it's called Loose Deuce.
Gum....
You have any Mil-background to back that up???
Not quite the "Loose Deuce" that "I" was taught..........
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to be honest, ive never seen any benefit from any of your input, its always about who or what sucks. try joining the land of grown-ups for awhile and try not being a "mr. doom and gloom".
i dont see you coming up with any idea's that might help, but rather you spend time putting me and my posts down.
well tag, your it, try coming up with something that doesnt involve my suckage or lameness or dweebyness or anything else you and your "holier then thou" crew can come up with.
Well, you are lucky there aren't any type of requirements to be a HTC customer aren't you? As long as you pay the $15 a month you're in, how convenient. Nothing positive will come of the argumentation you're making as you simply won't listen to me, or anyone for that matter, when it doesn't suit you. Your skill, and the skill of your squad, ingame has nothing to do with it so stop bringing that up. I see the pshychological patterns very clearly and know it's best to stay clear.
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My oh, my oh, my oh, my...
One thing just keeps playing in my head...
"Why cant weeee be on-line friends, why cant weee be on-line friendssss"
EDIT: I must agree with venom though. In the AvA, i rarely ever find myself getting jumped, even i na 1 v 2 or even a 1 v 3, i find it MUCH easier to track my enemies than in the MA when i run into a
1 v 8. :huh :rolleyes:
Crap......
All this time I thought they were saying "Why can't we be FRENCH" :furious
:noid
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Well, you are lucky there aren't any type of requirements to be a HTC customer aren't you? As long as you pay the $15 a month you're in, how convenient. Nothing positive will come of the argumentation you're making as you simply won't listen to me, or anyone for that matter, when it doesn't suit you. Your skill, and the skill of your squad, ingame has nothing to do with it so stop bringing that up. I see the pshychological patterns very clearly and know it's best to stay clear.
again another shot at me. nothing positive in this one either. next......
near as i can tell you dont play AVA most of the time, and you got kicked out of jg54 before i got there. so wheres the problem?
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Gum....
You have any Mil-background to back that up???
Not quite the "Loose Deuce" that "I" was taught..........
There are two uses of the term Loose Deuce.
One is a formation, the other is a wing pair tactical doctrine.
Examples of other wing pair tactical doctrines are welded wing and double attack.
Loose Deuce as tactical doctrines requires a wing pair that are very experienced flying together but it is an extremely effective. The essential difference between Loose Deuce and Double Attack is the engaged fighter is not the primary shooter. His focus is on pressuring the bandit into a predictable flight path so that the free fighter can set up a blind side guns pass.
Loose Deuce is described by Shaw to be a variation of Double Attack in which the free fighter isn't responsible for defensive lookout. Instead each fighter takes responsibility for defensive lookout.
Shaw describes Loose Deuce tactical doctrine on pages 215-219 of his book.
I've used loose deuce for years (10+ now) with much success online. Most of the time has been without the participation of my wingman. Its very hard to get an online guy to the required level to fly proper Loose Deuce. But its very easy to employ in an arena without active participation of the wingman.
The classic arena engagement generally involves on or more friendlies tailchasing a bandit in an essentially co-energy state. A position high (about one vertical turn radius)a bove this fight puts me in position for a classic loose deuce guns pass. The bandit begins a turn in his evasives and the loose deuce fighter works for a high belly side guns pass. Loose Deuce is very effective against a bandit who hasn't reached panic level evasives. If his is already panicked into last ditch evasives he will be too unpredictable for this particular doctrine.
I'm assuming you are referring to the formation called "Loose Deuce" and not the tactical doctrine.
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There are two uses of the term Loose Deuce.
One is a formation, the other is a wing pair tactical doctrine.
Examples of other wing pair tactical doctrines are welded wing and double attack.
Loose Deuce as tactical doctrines requires a wing pair that are very experienced flying together but it is an extremely effective. The essential difference between Loose Deuce and Double Attack is the engaged fighter is not the primary shooter. His focus is on pressuring the bandit into a predictable flight path so that the free fighter can set up a blind side guns pass.
Loose Deuce is described by Shaw to be a variation of Double Attack in which the free fighter isn't responsible for defensive lookout. Instead each fighter takes responsibility for defensive lookout.
Shaw describes Loose Deuce tactical doctrine on pages 215-219 of his book.
I've used loose deuce for years (10+ now) with much success online. Most of the time has been without the participation of my wingman. Its very hard to get an online guy to the required level to fly proper Loose Deuce. But its very easy to employ in an arena without active participation of the wingman.
The classic arena engagement generally involves on or more friendlies tailchasing a bandit in an essentially co-energy state. A position high (about one vertical turn radius)a bove this fight puts me in position for a classic loose deuce guns pass. The bandit begins a turn in his evasives and the loose deuce fighter works for a high belly side guns pass. Loose Deuce is very effective against a bandit who hasn't reached panic level evasives. If his is already panicked into last ditch evasives he will be too unpredictable for this particular doctrine.
I'm assuming you are referring to the formation called "Loose Deuce" and not the tactical doctrine.
Which is all well and good until a group of 3 or 4 come along together to get a fight out of your group of pickers. If all you've been doing is picking a wingman clear how are you going to handle it? Stay and fight out an even match or my guess is you'd be nose down running for home to land your 2 or 3 picks.
No offense, but the way you argued for others to look up the "loose deuce" earlier, it just sounded like you need a historical reason to back up your reason for picking. Well historically more than half the combat kills weren't even really combat. The target didn't see it coming.
Picking people who don't see it coming isn't exactly my idea of a fun game. Interrupting a 1v1 or rolling around in a group to overwhelm single planes isn't exactly sporting for a game either.
But how about back on topic:
I look at the rules presented and see some great guidelines. They are written to encourage combat that should and will make you a better virtual dogfighter. Vulching, HOing, and Ganging only pad your score and ego; they don't really do much else.
:aok
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excuse me while i lol at the hypocrisy. :rofl
no bleeping $#!+
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and you got kicked out of jg54
He wanted to leave on his own, we didn't kick him out.
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i retract any inferences that 33vortex was kicked out of JG54 and apologize to anyone that might have been offended or misguided by my statement. sorry 33vortex
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You are part right jaeger we had a vote before he left to kick him out because he never talked to us. He would just log in and take his dora up to 20k and start picking. He would be on the other side of the map while we were on the deck defending a base or something. He never really fit into the squad because he likes to fly "safe". I don't know why he wasn't kicked out but I guess a few people felt sorry for him and thought he was new.
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For all it's worth, I've found fights in the AvA to be a challenge. I agree with the unwritten ettiquette rules, and do my best to follow them. I've even recently unsquelched 200. (and have been pleasantly suprised :O)
I hope that those squads who have left the AvA in the past will make an effort to get back in there, as I think the biggest thing that made me shy away from this arena hasn't been the attitudes or egos, but the simple lack of numbers.
Simply put, to get better, fly the AvA. You will find a fight you can learn from.
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The AvA guys are just determined to keep people out.
Rules like these are meant purely to substitute for lacked SA and/or skills.
Luckily they aren't really rules and it is really fun to break them in front of people who think they are rules.
CYA in the AvA
PS....Look up as I will definitely be high, usually with three wingmen and I'll be the one that "picks" while my wingman is pressing you.
In the Navy, it's called Loose Deuce.
I've gotten a kick out of this thread :rofl
It's funny how the world goes full circle on you. Way back when I was probably the most vocal critic of the introduction of squads into the CT (now AVA) since it seriously eroded the old school "code" many of flew by. Now a number of years later some of those same souls are confronting the same issues. I think its a simple reality that as your overall plane handling and knowledge of ACM grows you gravitate more and more toward a true test of both...not simply for grudge or bragging rights but for the simple joy of a well fought engagement.
This is always counter balanced by misguided folks who seem to equate a numerical and positional advantage with some true semblance of skill.
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Wow, I take one day off from flying and my sheep get violated and the AvA forum reverts back to around this time last year. I gott tell ya Im just a little bit upset.
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for thoses of you who dont know, the AVA is a place for a higher class of player. these rules are not enforced but are expected to a point. yes all rules get broken but we try to keep it to a minimum to keep it civilized. take this for what its worth. it will make the experience for new AVA players much nicer.
1. we dont vulch unless we're taking a base. vulching in general is frowned apon in the AVA
2. We keep HO'ing to a minimum. yes there are times when we all HO but again its frowned apon.
3. picking-- AVA is about 1V1. if you gonna jump in, ask first. if its a furball, all bets are off go for it
4. alt monkeys-- we try to keep things around 5k, nothing stopping you from flying higher, but if im in there ill be down on the deck. have fun with that nose bleed.
5. killing radar for fun-- please dont unless you're gonna capture the base, it spoils the fun for the rest of us.
yes everyone doesnt play the same way and have the same goals, but its a better experience over-all. we're trying to make it a place thats fun for everyone and has the aspects of each different type of battles.
again these are guidelines and are not enforced, but we'd appeciate your co-operation. thanks
I hope this is a joke. All but No. 5 happened routinely.
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I hope this is a joke. All but No. 5 happened routinely.
Yup
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It did get pretty ugly at times. why was I allways the victom :lol
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boy, i can just feel the "LOVE" with this Thread. It's good to have the AVA community support someone that is trying to make the AVA a better place! HI Stampf!! :)
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See Rule #4
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Well there was a lot of new blood last night. We need to teach the newer guys that they don't have to spend 1/2 their time climbing in order to have a fun fight.
Storch used to always tell me, "Stay low, make them come to you. Sure they have the advantage, but that's what'll make you better."
It's gonna get worse before it gets better.
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I, Republic, agree to follow those guidelines to the best of my abilities.
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I, 420ace, find the format of response stuffy and silly. But these are good traits for any virtual pilot. :salute
Was cool hearing gavagai explaining to someone new last night to avoid the HO and the guy asked if I needed help in a 1v1. Jhayes, or at least thats close. Makes me happy.
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Mostly seems like good common sense stuff. Some might quibble with #3, but the OP added the caveat that if it is a multi-bandit situation, engage at will. I agree
The low numbers in AvA must be considered. It is understandable that if there were 2 players in one area on one side and only 1 on the other team, it would suck for the singleton to to get ganged by both of them constantly. Whereas if it is something like 2v2 or greater numbers, I see no reason why it is unfair or unrealistic to engage in a more catch-as-catch can manner.
No, the only thing I can really quibble with is 4.
IMO, one of the most a-historical factor in the MA, and one that really kills my "suspension of disbelief" (aside from Mustangs crossing swords with Spitfires and the like), is that 90% of the combat is in the weeds all the time. Basically, this means that the same group of fighters optimized for low alt performance are the ones which have a tremendous advantage and are flown all the time. Performance above 15K, which is exactly what many fighters were designed for, is almost irrelevant in the MA, so they never get to really shine in there.
A 5K alt cap...wow, that is rather low even by the standards of the Eastern front. For a scenario involving, say the strategic bombing campaign and defense of the Reich in Western Europe, it is ridiculously low. I would consider it a desirable aspect of a more historical arena if one was able to regularly engage at realistic altitudes, that for instance, reveal why the P-47 was a good fighter plane.
However, I can understand people not wanting to spend 10 minutes climbing just to get to the engagement. Maybe more maps, at least for certain scenarios, should feature air-starts for both sides?
3. picking-- AVA is about 1V1. if you gonna jump in, ask first. if its a furball, all bets are off go for it
4. alt monkeys-- we try to keep things around 5k, nothing stopping you from flying higher, but if im in there ill be down on the deck. have fun with that nose bleed.
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The 5k thing is because the bases on most of the maps are about 15-20 miles from each other, and unless you have to fly over a mountain most of us fly between 1-4k to get to the fight faster. Some of the new people that come in thinking its like the MA and they climb up to 10-15 then B&Z the fights. Then when you get on them they run away. Once one person starts to climb that high so do other to try to kill him next thing you know you have to climb ten minutes just to have a two minute fight. It gets boring when that happens.
Air starts are on some maps but it always ends up you getting killed by the same guy you just killed thirty seconds earlier because you are low on the deck trying to get speed up and he is dropping from 20k going mach 1.
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i think with a bit of the right encouragement, we can make the AVA a pretty grande arena. sure we'll get the share of nah-sayers. i think we just need to stay consistent in acting accordingly to our guidelines and there will be plenty of fun and plenty of fights. hopefully more players too.
PS.-- 2 to go TK
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The only reason I fly in a Massively Multiplayer Online Flight Simulation is to experience the teamwork and camaraderie of squadron operations.
I have flown in literally thousands of 1 v 1 fights in the past 10 years.
I have also flown in hundreds of squadron versus squadron engagements in organized events.
My ego doesn't need anymore stroking either way. I like to furball in the weeds. I like to fight up high. I like to land my kills.
The best part of flying as a team, for me, is helping my team mates be successful. After well over 100,000 online kills I could care less about 1 or 500 kills more or less.
My squadron likes historical matchups in our historical ride. Aces High doesn't provide a lot of opportunity for that experience.
The AvA could be a popular Arena. Another game once had a very similar arena that enjoyed steady popularity for several years. I was deeply involved in that arena until that game company opened a very similar arena with long icons, killing the first arena.
I stayed there for several more years until an FM disaster prompted our squad to look elsewhere.
We ended up in AH, which is a far superior game. But, again, the game is limited by the small minds of the players. The AvA suffers from this. So much potential goes to waste.
Its easy to see why HITECH abandoned CT. I always thought he was nutty to try it. The only full time semi-historical arena in AH actively discourages the primary focus of air warfare (and the most engaging part of any MMOG).
Teamwork.
Every air campaign in history was about coordinated effort.
And the AvA is supposed to be some sort of gladiator 1 v 1 cage match with silly rules.
HT would be much better off designing 1 v 1 rooms where you could sit in a lobby and pick your plane and the opponents plane and when you got a match you both airstarted at 5K 2 miles apart. Charge a nickel a fight and make a mint.
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I swear I will do what I like when flying in the AvA.
I will vulch whenever possible. I don't HO because its poor technique and indicative of poor skills. I do pick as often as possible, mostly aiming for the head. I don't bomb or strafe anything unless I absolutely must. And I am mostly a lover of high altitude.
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#100 beat ya tk!! :rofl
we're doing a big mission this thursday if you and your friends are interested. apparently you and most of your cohorts missed most of the message that i intended to spread at the beginning of the thread.
no one is telling you not to do high altitude bomber missions. no one is telling you not to do co-ordinated attacks on bases.
god knows, thats what we do best. we all love teamwork.
but when theres no missions going on, or no co-ordinated attacks being set up, theres isnt any reason not to stick to a few gentlemanly guidelines. thats all, sheesh, i didnt kill your cats, or first born, you guys all need to relax a bit or at the very least get a hobby.
have a nice day!! :)
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Ill make you pay for it in the arena. :D
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I rolled a Spit 5 since the side I switched to, was the outnumbered side (the whole night) and climbed to a max of 3k.
My first post still stands from last night.
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I swear I will do what I like when flying in the AvA.
I will vulch whenever possible. I don't HO because its poor technique and indicative of poor skills. I do pick as often as possible, mostly aiming for the head. I don't bomb or strafe anything unless I absolutely must. And I am mostly a lover of high altitude.
So what is your in game name because It sure isn't "Gumbeau".
I, Larry, will always be under 4k, wont take any HO shots, or pick anyone unless we are having a furball or I am getting ganged.
Was cool hearing gavagai explaining to someone new last night to avoid the HO and the guy asked if I needed help in a 1v1. Jhayes, or at least thats close. Makes me happy.
Its always good to get people to ask before jumping into a 1v1. There isn't anything more frustrating then fighting a guy and getting on his six about to take a shot and having someone dive in, pick the guy, and act like he was doing me a favor.
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Of course some people don't follow the suggested guidelines, of course some people will do whatever it takes to shoot someone down. The AvA will never be a perfect arena, but there are also some who want to have historical air to air engagements without climbing for hours, and without score whoring.
To me, the AvA's purpose is to provide historical matchups with less red tape than the scenario arenas, but more depth than the "I pwn you" MA arenas.
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You have no business trying to dictate to people how they should play the game. You are not part of the AvA staff. If you want to effect game play, then apply to become an AvA staff member.