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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: RATTFINK on June 02, 2009, 05:59:12 PM
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Are there any good USN ones?
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NO! :D
Im sure Greebo has a few done already.
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USN/USMC
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/f2a/f2a-c2.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/f2a/f2a-c6.jpg)
Finnish
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/f2a/f2a-c3.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/f2a/f2a-c4.jpg)
Dutch
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/f2a/f2a-c5.jpg)
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I think we'll have to wait and see if an American navalized version of the Buffalo is introduced...
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I've done a couple more Finnish Brewsters for Wmaker who supplied HTC and myself much of the info for the aircraft, as well as an RAF skin for me.
I figure any Brewster scheme that saw wartime front line service will probably be allowed on this shape, but I could be wrong.
I'm reluctant to commit to any more Brewster skins until other skinners have had a chance to post their intentions.
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Positive that FTJR will be doing a RAAF skin.
A few pics that I have other than RAAF.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/f0bf01bf5f.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/c78c00f158.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d3cfe26a24.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8c357ecea1.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
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There's going to be a VERY limited number of US skins that could be done for the Brewster, since only one squadron flew the F2A in combat (VMF-221 at Midway)
The second USMC profile Shifty posted would work. It was flown by Capt. William Humberd during the action of June 4, 1942.
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Lots to choose from. can't forget the RAF among others
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Bufallo1.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Buffalo2.jpg)
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This model kit has been on my shelf unbuilt for 20 years. Another RAF scheme. The USN is prewar
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/bufallo3.jpg)
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Nice find on those Guppy the #3119 plane is the one I posted above I got it from the Australian war memorial site. They list that plane in Malaya at the time the RAF & RAAF planes were in the fight as well.
Only real issue is to figure out what did & didn't see combat.
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OH YEAH :D
I found this skin from the VF-3. The VF-3 Felix the Cat Squad came before VF-6.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/F2A-1_VF-3_CV-3_Felix_the_Cat.jpg)
Edward Henry "Butch" O'Hare VF-3
F2A-1 Buffalo from USS Saratoga (CV-3). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_O%27Hare
:pray PLEASE Mister GREEBO :pray :pray :)
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Guys, like I said:
If the only skins being allowed are ones that saw combat, your ONLY choice for American birds is going to be VMF-221 at Midway. None of the other US skins would (or at least, SHOULD) be accepted (the RAF, RAAF and Dutch skins would, however).
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Guys, like I said:
If the only skins being allowed are ones that saw combat, your ONLY choice for American birds is going to be VMF-221 at Midway. None of the other US skins would (or at least, SHOULD) be accepted (the RAF, RAAF and Dutch skins would, however).
Not so sure about the Dutch planes I will have to look back at what info I have most of them were never flown in combat with their nations colours on them. If I recall correctly most of them were given to the RAF & RAAF as well a number of them were captured as well.
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Not so sure about the Dutch planes I will have to look back at what info I have most of them were never flown in combat with their nations colours on them. If I recall correctly most of them were given to the RAF & RAAF as well a number of them were captured as well.
A number of photos of the Dutch birds, and their combat history in "Bloody Shambles" by Christopher Shores. Photos of Dutch birds with both types of markings including a line up of captured Dutch and RAF birds.
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I like the Dutch skin that looks like a cow! :rofl
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I like the Dutch skin that looks like a cow! :rofl
Thats a Finnish skin :aok
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There's going to be a VERY limited number of US skins that could be done for the Brewster, since only one squadron flew the F2A in combat (VMF-221 at Midway)
The second USMC profile Shifty posted would work. It was flown by Capt. William Humberd during the action of June 4, 1942.
I thought like VF-2 had strafed a Japanese submarine or something. From what I've seen in a few other posts. Would that count as combat?
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I think Greebo said on the main board the only US skin allowed will be VMF-221.
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I think Greebo said on the main board the only US skin allowed will be VMF-221.
Oh, okay. :aok
Oh well, even if it's one American skin, it will still look good.
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Thats a Finnish skin :aok
Moo!
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New Zealand 488 Sqn, RNZAF NF-O Officer N. Sharp
(http://images39.fotosik.pl/9/aa85c9eaecb4ec8a.jpg)
(http://images46.fotosik.pl/9/ebe1ecef222520ad.jpg)
(http://wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/122/pics/102_1_b1.jpg)
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New Zealand 488 Sqn, RNZAF NF-O Officer N. Sharp
(http://images39.fotosik.pl/9/aa85c9eaecb4ec8a.jpg)
(http://images46.fotosik.pl/9/ebe1ecef222520ad.jpg)
(http://wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/122/pics/102_1_b1.jpg)
Nice find great nose art. http://www.themotorpool.net/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=HA7002
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Trying to find an actual pic for this bird
(http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/us/cleaverbuffaloc.jpg)
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/122/81/0/5_b1 (http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/122/81/0/5_b1)
Singapore, end of 1941. Delivered on 26th August 1941 to 453 Sqn and was regularly piloted by Sgt M.Read and was coded TD-F with a small black and white dog motif under the forward cockpit glass. It was lost when it crashed into an Ki-43 of 64th sentai over Kuala Lumpur, Malaya on 22nd December 1941, with pilot Sgt Malcom Neville Read 402952 KIA.
"SGT. MALCOLM NEVILLE READ 4 victories RAAF 453 Squadron KIA December 22, 1941 December 13, 1941 3 shared Ki-51's December 22, 1941 1 Rammed a KI-43"
I think you can see it with the "dog" marking in this photo. plane 3 possible 4 as well
(http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/9601/453buffaloes.jpg)
Maybe "some one or two" has a book with a photo
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/453_Buffalo.jpg)
Pilots of No. 453 Squadron RAAF run to their Brewster Buffalo aircraft in response to a scramble order.
Date c 1941-10
Edit: after editing and blowing up pic 2 planes 3 & 4 have the similar if not the same nose art. While looking up/for this bird there are 3 different conflicting reports on ID with the one posted having the most attn. I thought plane 5 also had the same art but it does not.
I wonder if they were wingies
Planes reported to be:
TD-B
TD-E
TD-F
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Yes the third plane is the same one & that is the only photo of the nose art of that plane in existence. I have a book with the same picture only clearer & the fourth plane has not got the same nose art.
It looks like something else altogether maybe just a slight difference in paint or possible ware & tear on the original paint work. I am pretty sure it is the bird FTJR is going to do here is a better look of the dog in question.
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2457/scan94.th.jpg) (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/scan94.jpg/)
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Some Dutch Pictures.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a05b451ef8.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/dde4daaebd.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/7aacabc2c8.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
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Some more Buff stuff.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/42e81bb648.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/45006e9d1d.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/de40da6148.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1047/scan157.th.jpg) (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/scan157.jpg/)
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/Buffalo/A51_15.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.adf-serials.com/2a51.shtml&usg=__OpwJs8kQPLWlUoIO8-X5qCqtyEg=&h=657&w=964&sz=104&hl=en&start=49&um=1&tbnid=8IwAKjREDULIoM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=148&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drnzaf%2Bbrewster%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBR_enUS236US236%26sa%3DN%26start%3D40%26um%3D1
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F- TD has been done, by Greebo, who was gracious enough to do it for me.
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Wmaker asked me to skin BW-393, which was the mount of two of the leading Finnish aces. As skinned here it is the aircraft of Capt Eino Luukkanen of 1/LeLv 24 in the Continuation war circa 1942. Interestingly the kill markings on the fin are actually beer bottle labels! Luukanen was promoted and transferred to command another squadron. He ended the war with 56 kills having switched to the Bf109G.
When Luukkanen left BW-393 was handed over to Hans Wind who eventually scored more kills in Brewsters than any other pilot.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots/Luukkanen_B-239.jpg)
Below is Sgt Read's 453 Squadron RAAF aircraft, as requested by FTJR. Sgt Read died when he rammed a Ki 43 after running out of ammunition. I may just drop my 67 Squadron RAF skin as its so similar to this one.
My skin varies from the profiles in this thread a bit, particularly the lower camo line. This is the layout I see in all the photos of RAF Buffalos where this area is visible and in other profiles I have.
Lyric's post prompted me to do some research on colours. I had originally assumed that Singapore era RAF, RAAF and RNZAF Buffalos were painted in RAF colours. However Brewster actually used the US colours ANA 617 and medium green 42 on top and an unknown shade of light grey or blue underneath. The RAF painted the half black undersides and Sky ID band after reassembling the aircraft in theater. I'm undecided on what shade to use underneath, possibly light gull gray or the US equivalent to Sky.
The Buffalos the RAAF later inherited from the Dutch via the USAAF were olive drab and medium green on top and light grey underneath. However the Australians repainted the underneath Sky Blue in order to quickly cover up the big "U S ARMY" letters under the wings.
BTW Is anyone out there thinking of skinning a VMF-221 Buffalo? I'd like to skin a US Buffalo, but as there's such a limited choice I'll pass if someone else wants to do it.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots/453_Sqn_Buffalo_SC1.jpg)
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My skin varies from the profiles in this thread a bit, particularly the lower camo line. This is the layout I see in all the photos of RAF Buffalos where this area is visible and in other profiles I have.
Lyric's post prompted me to do some research on colours. I had originally assumed that Singapore era RAF, RAAF and RNZAF Buffalos were painted in RAF colours. However Brewster actually used the US colours ANA 617 and medium green 42 on top and an unknown shade of light grey or blue underneath. The RAF painted the half black undersides and Sky ID band after reassembling the aircraft in theater. I'm undecided on what shade to use underneath, possibly light gull gray or the US equivalent to Sky.
The Buffalos the RAAF later inherited from the Dutch via the USAAF were olive drab and medium green on top and light grey underneath. However the Australians repainted the underneath Sky Blue in order to quickly cover up the big "U S ARMY" letters under the wings.
BTW Is anyone out there thinking of skinning a VMF-221 Buffalo? I'd like to skin a US Buffalo, but as there's such a limited choice I'll pass if someone else wants to do it.
Nice job & some more info that may help.
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2876/scan116x.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan116x.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8554/scan117o.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan117o.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8835/scan118e.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan118e.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/221/scan119.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan119.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/914/scan120.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan120.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7053/scan147.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan147.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1566/scan148.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan148.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/191/scan149.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan149.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/346/scan150.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan150.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8030/scan151.th.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/scan151.jpg/) (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9171/scan152.th.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/scan152.jpg/) (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/783/scan153.th.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/scan153.jpg/) (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1002/scan154.th.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/scan154.jpg/) (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/135/scan155.th.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/scan155.jpg/) (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9640/scan156.th.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/scan156.jpg/)
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Interestingly the kill markings on the fin are actually beer bottle labels!
I kind of like this guy.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5578b2d485.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a53789e9a7.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
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I figured the beer label thing might appeal to some in here..... ;)
I have found the colour I'm going to use on the underside of the RAAF Buffalo at the website below. Apparently RAF Airacobras were painted in a shade called Du Pont 71-021 Sky Type S Grey. That looks a close match for both the time of manufacture and the descriptions of the colour.
http://amair4raf.blogspot.com/ (http://amair4raf.blogspot.com/)
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Great Link, tks Greebo
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Just perfect once again Greebo!
Like we talked, I'm 90% sure that there were no lynxes and no labelts on the right side at the time the skin of yours is depicted.
This one will be my favourite along the BW-372. :)
The beer bottle label of which the kill markings consisted of:
(http://www.menec.fi/products/images/25818.jpg)
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Wmaker asked me to skin BW-393, which was the mount of two of the leading Finnish aces. As skinned here it is the aircraft of Capt Eino Luukkanen of 1/LeLv 24 in the Continuation war circa 1942. Interestingly the kill markings on the fin are actually beer bottle labels! Luukanen was promoted and transferred to command another squadron. He ended the war with 56 kills having switched to the Bf109G.
When Luukkanen left BW-393 was handed over to Hans Wind who eventually scored more kills in Brewsters than any other pilot.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots/Luukkanen_B-239.jpg)
Below is Sgt Read's 453 Squadron RAAF aircraft, as requested by FTJR. Sgt Read died when he rammed a Ki 43 after running out of ammunition. I may just drop my 67 Squadron RAF skin as its so similar to this one.
My skin varies from the profiles in this thread a bit, particularly the lower camo line. This is the layout I see in all the photos of RAF Buffalos where this area is visible and in other profiles I have.
Lyric's post prompted me to do some research on colours. I had originally assumed that Singapore era RAF, RAAF and RNZAF Buffalos were painted in RAF colours. However Brewster actually used the US colours ANA 617 and medium green 42 on top and an unknown shade of light grey or blue underneath. The RAF painted the half black undersides and Sky ID band after reassembling the aircraft in theater. I'm undecided on what shade to use underneath, possibly light gull gray or the US equivalent to Sky.
The Buffalos the RAAF later inherited from the Dutch via the USAAF were olive drab and medium green on top and light grey underneath. However the Australians repainted the underneath Sky Blue in order to quickly cover up the big "U S ARMY" letters under the wings.
BTW Is anyone out there thinking of skinning a VMF-221 Buffalo? I'd like to skin a US Buffalo, but as there's such a limited choice I'll pass if someone else wants to do it.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots/453_Sqn_Buffalo_SC1.jpg)
Greebo, would you happen to have Sgt Read's Brewster WWII photo?
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I do it is the only one there is.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/4750f467a1.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
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AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!!!!!
TY!
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Actually that's a clearer and more complete version of the 453 Sqn photo. Looks like I need to move the top wing roundels towards the wingtips a bit. Just noticed a gas detection patch on the wing as well.
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Actually that's a clearer and more complete version of the 453 Sqn photo. Looks like I need to move the top wing roundels towards the wingtips a bit. Just noticed a gas detection patch on the wing as well.
Interestingly enough the first plane to the right looks as if there is no roundels on the top of the wing at all. Yet they are there.
Been trying to find 805 squadron stuff very tough to find so far all I have come up with. There is supposed to be pictures of Germans standing over a bone yard of Buffaloes in Malta I can't find them though.
http://asisbiz.com/il2/F2A-2/MkI-RAAF-805Sqn-AX814.html
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Interestingly enough the first plane to the right looks as if there is no roundels on the top of the wing at all. Yet they are there.
Been trying to find 805 squadron stuff very tough to find so far all I have come up with. There is supposed to be pictures of Germans standing over a bone yard of Buffaloes in Malta I can't find them though.
http://asisbiz.com/il2/F2A-2/MkI-RAAF-805Sqn-AX814.html
:rofl Well they never TOOK Malta, so that might be one of the problems with finding that picture. :aok (He means Crete most likely)
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Yeah I think its Crete.
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:rofl Well they never TOOK Malta, so that might be one of the problems with finding that picture. :aok (He means Crete most likely)
Actually I did not read this site till just now was focusing on the pictures. I got the bad info from some other sites who mention Malta as well. Pit falls of the web I guess? Or being half asleep.
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Interestingly enough the first plane to the right looks as if there is no roundels on the top of the wing at all. Yet they are there.
It's there. It's hard to see because of the lighting-glare-reflection. You can barely make out the different color in the center as well as the outside curve down near the aileron.
wrongway
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Some extra pictures I have found.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5ae09ea0dd.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/f3a01cf505.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ee1a80a7d0.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/c15d1e6c6d.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ef210c68db.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
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The Dutch flew them heavily vs the Japanese in 1942 in the East Indies.
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Man, this ol' girl is a tank:
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1644/b239.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/b239.jpg/)
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Nice, as always greebo. :O
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Not sure where these came from but I had em on my old computer. Nice Brewster images
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/LtChenowethinF2Athumb.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/ArmingF2Athumb.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/798.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/897.jpg)
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Now those are some great pictures this is a great link as well that has some good stuff.
http://warbirdsforum.yuku.com/forums/64/t/Brewster-Buffalo.html?page=1
One of the posts has photos taken of one of the Marine pilots colour video.
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New Zealand 488 Sqn, RNZAF NF-O Officer N. Sharp
(http://images39.fotosik.pl/9/aa85c9eaecb4ec8a.jpg)
(http://images46.fotosik.pl/9/ebe1ecef222520ad.jpg)
(http://wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/122/pics/102_1_b1.jpg)
W8138 154 No 488 Squadron, Kallang, Singapore. Twenty one aircraft in poor condition were taken over from No.67 Squadron (RAF). Coded NF-O. Crash landed with most of rudder shot away on 18 January 1942. Pilot Officer N. Sharp uninjured but aircraft written off.
F/O. NOEL C. SHARP 3 victories RNZAF 488/243/604 Squadrons Known claims:
January 12, 1942 Fighter Probable
January 13,1942 Fighter Ki-43
January 18, 1942 Fighter Type O
January 20, 1942 2 Bombers Damaged
Sharp is credited with three kills during the Battle of Malaya He claimed an unknown Japanese fighter on January 12, a Ki-43 Oscar the next day, an A6M Zero on January 18 and damaged two bombers on January 20.
He was shot down on 17 January 1942 but survived. Engineers were able to repair his aircraft, replacing the front section of the engine cowling with that of another plane. On 7 February, 1942, Sharp flew to Palembang, the Dutch East Indies in his Buffalo aircraft, where it never flew again.
He was killed in action on 20 February 1942, flying a Hawker Hurricane. He was 20 years old. Sharp was buried in the Kranji War Cemetery tery in Singapore He was posthumously awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross on 26 December
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Well I noticed a major issue in the Brewster's model. If you take the plane up to 15k alt, dive straight down with throttle wide open, she will pull out and not compress. You will black out, but you will make it out in one piece.