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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Baumer on March 16, 2010, 03:21:02 PM
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Well this is still a very early work in progress, but I thought I'd share a few images of what I've got so far. Mind you There are about a million things I need to fix still, I started from scratch just trying to get the ribs to line up correctly. I've got a long way to go, but it's fun!
:salute Baumer
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen1s.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen2s.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen3s.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen4s.jpg)
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Quite an attractive combination of colors! Nice choice :aok
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Very nice. :aok
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Quite an attractive combination of colors! Nice choice :aok
Agreed... :aok
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Quite an attractive combination of colors! Nice choice
I originally thought so! :aok
Looking good Baumer, like the olive.
When posting pics, remember that they get sized down, so zoom in as much as you can. Vonmessa can help you with how to do it, he's the new expert. :D
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LOL thanks, I preshrunk them before posting. If I zoom in closer you'll see that I've got a really long way to go! but I'll post some closeup's as I get area's correct.
On a serious note, I have run into a problem if any of the "full time" skinners can help I'd appreciate it.
The bottom of the horizontal stabilizer is only one part mirrored for both sides. On this skin the bottom left is supposed to be white and the other side black what can I do? Will HTC accept a skin that's incorrect like that? For now I am going to keep it light blue, but if there's a work around I'd be glad to hear it.
Thanks,
Baumer
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Will HTC accept a skin that's incorrect like that?
You have to screw up pretty badly and blatantly to get a skin rejected.
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And screw up something that isn't obviously a result of the mapping of the skin, too. You should be fine.
Besides, who'd ever going to see the underside of your tail? :neener:
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If you are working within the limits of the skin's mapping and any errors related to how the game works, pick a stance and defend it. They'll accept it.
Just say you know it's an issue, this is the decision you made to overcome the issue.
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oh, yea,um your missing a part of your engine cover. Just thought i'd let you know.... :old:
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oh, yea,um your missing a part of your engine cover. Just thought i'd let you know.... :old:
:headscratch:
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I just wanted to post an update on my progress. All I can say is wow, all the skinners deserve a big <S> for the time and effort they put in.
I knew it would be a challenge on my first skin and it hasn't disappointed! LOL
I've been making progress and I am finally happy with a few parts as well as the color combination's.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen6.jpg)
I'm still working on getting the edge of the cowl to look better.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen7.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen8.jpg)
I'm very pleased with how the wing struts have turned out, also the small plate for the aileron control cable was very tricky with the white stripe.
I've still got quite a lot of work yet to do, but finally getting a couple of parts "done" has improved my spirits!
Any feedback is appreciated.
:salute Baumer
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Love the color combinations. Keep up the good work... :aok
With so many great skins in the works for the WW1 planes there are just too many great looking skins to pick a favorite, but this one is up there in the top two or three. :cheers:
:salute
To all the skinners of Aces High
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WW1 really isn't my forte. I can't comment on the finer details and nitpickery, so I'll let others do that.
I will say that I like what I'm seeing so far.
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Gonna be beautiful Baumer, makin' great progress. :aok
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Was there a cross on the top of the horizontal stab? Looks out of place but I may be wrong.
perdweeb
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Disregard last message. Just looked at it. Two things to look at Baumer:
1. The wheels were black and white in quaters. Like a pizza cut into fourths. Black and white alternating fourths.
2.Also the rudder had a black edge all the way around.
perdweeb
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Forgot one more, sorry for triple post.
204/17 had Iron crosses rather than the tradiotional as you have on the current product. May want to look at these three things Sir.
Good luck
perdweeb
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Perdue3
You are describing an earlier paint scheme for Baumers Dr.1. This is the one I'm working on,
(http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Profiles/images/SB_profile10.jpg)
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This was the one I saw.
perdweeb
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This was the one I saw.
perdweeb
Don't use modern warbirds and reproductions as skinning references.
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Looking very good Baumer! Can't wait to fly it.
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whoa this one got past me. looking great, love the scheme too :aok
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Thanks everyone, I appreciate the feedback.
Still plenty of work to do but, I'm getting closer with the fuselage and wing finish.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen9.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen10.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/screen11.jpg)
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Perdue3
You are describing an earlier paint scheme for Baumers Dr.1. This is the one I'm working on,
(http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Profiles/images/SB_profile10.jpg)
Excellent work on the skin so far! I just noticed on the picture you gave us, the wing struts look to be bare metal. Were these struts painted over before going in combat?
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Excellent work on the skin so far! I just noticed on the picture you gave us, the wing struts look to be bare metal. Were these struts painted over before going in combat?
Nope. They were wooden. Painted light blue to match the underside of the wings which they attached to, is my guess. Note the belly and the gear struts are the same color.
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That's an area of discrepancy I'm working on. Most "modern" profiles have them painted the base turquoise color (which is close to RLM-78 blue) but in the photo's of the actual plane I have, they are very dark, see below.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/Dr1-204-17_04.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/Mechanics2.jpg)
This is the Spring 1918 paint scheme that perdweeb was looking at on the modern Dr.1
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/Dr1-204-17_01.jpg)
The only evidence I have that it might have been the blue color is this image. If you look at the cowl you'll see that the front face isn't painted white yet which makes me think this is a very early shot before it received it's Jasta Boelcke paint scheme.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/Dr1-204-17_02.jpg)
I have done a version with it as the blue as well, just in case, but I think it's more accurate for the May 1918 paint scheme to be dark.
<S> Baumer
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Just wanted to pass a long a few more updates.
I haven't been pleased with the streaking of the olive dope so I decided to start with a bare canvas and frame. Here are a few screen shots of the basic clean airframe, I thought it looked pretty cool.
I still have a couple of items to fix but it's very close.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/n1.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/n2.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/n3.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/n4.jpg)
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What's the plan, then? Build up multiple layers, each to some degree of opacity, and then turn the colors/markings back on so that all the details/weathering shows through the uppermost layer?
Or is this to give you a better idea how/where to map the weathering, based on the internal structure?
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It's really to get a better effect of the dope building up through the painting process.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/FabricDr1_144_17.jpg)
This is a sample of the fuselage fabric from Dr.1 144/17. The brush allowed a fair amount of the fabric to show through and that's what created the "streaky" appearance. That combined with the fact that some (about 25% or so) Dr.1's were completely covered with a turquoise primer first, created a wide variety of appearances.
I just haven't been able to create a finish in GIMP that I think captures the look properly.
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That's a pretty good reference picture.
I see your situation. Very interesting.
Question regarding the strokes:
Were they applied specifically to lean inward, or was it just that the person applying them was up against the trailing edge and the natural human motion was to angle it that way (and the opposite angle on the other side, because the wing was on your other side there)?
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According to a couple so sources the angle was just human nature reaching across the wing. So the angle can vary from wing panel to wing panel. The Fuselage was actually painted upside down so that the brush strokes would be vertical.
I've been working with a custom design for the brush to get the proper effect with about 75% opacity.
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It's really to get a better effect of the dope building up through the painting process.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/FabricDr1_144_17.jpg)
This is a sample of the fuselage fabric from Dr.1 144/17. The brush allowed a fair amount of the fabric to show through and that's what created the "streaky" appearance. That combined with the fact that some (about 25% or so) Dr.1's were completely covered with a turquoise primer first, created a wide variety of appearances.
I just haven't been able to create a finish in GIMP that I think captures the look properly.
Dr1 144/17 :salute
(http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Dr1-144-17_02.jpg)
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For what it is worth these might help. If you down load them first then you can zoom them up larger.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet_media.asp?fsID=278
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Thanks everyone for the help and information. I've finally settled on a process that creates the desired look I was after. :)
Now I got to work on some weathering, oil, and patina.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/na.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/nb.jpg)
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/BBS%20Stuff/Dr1/nc.jpg)
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Very nice Baum. :aok
:salute
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^-- agreed
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:aok
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Outstanding work! I love how you created the brush strokes on your canvas. Definitely adds to the effect. :aok
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That's looking very nice Baumer, the brushwork pattern is very effective. I like the 3D effects on the ribs too. Should look great once its dirtied up.
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Very very nice work Its looking great :O
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Good job Baumer :aok
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Fantastic work Baumer!
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are the iron crosses going on there or are the luftwaffle (cant spell) signias banned also?
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Judging by the fact that every LW plane in the game currently has an iron cross on it, I'm going to say "they're not banned"
Just a hunch.... :headscratch:
In all seriousness, though...
Specifically the crosses were a national insignia. The banned swastika was a political party symbol. THAT is what is banned in Germany to this day.
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the one that looks like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roundel_of_the_German_Air_For ce_border.svg
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Jay, the paint scheme I'm doing is after the introduction of the "Balkenkreuz" style insignia so that's what it's going to have. I'm not sure exactly what other insignias you're talking about, but there were several changes to the German markings during WW1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkenkreuz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkenkreuz)
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oh
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edit: wrong thread.