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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on November 20, 2005, 11:28:16 PM
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I heard some talk of running Fire Over Malta again, but with the registrants switching sides. That would be great, and a lot of fun. Are we going to do it?
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oh you mean you want to fly lw with the historical numbers advantage?
:cool:
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Nope, I'm fine flying same conditions the axis guys had. I figure we'd have some attrition and new players and could balance it the same way. I'd also be very pleased to fly anything -- 109E-4's, Ju 88's, Ju 87's -- whatever is the least popular or most needed. For me, I just love flying in scenarios regardless of whether the odds are in my favor or against me. Also, it's fun to experience the fight from the other perspective.
Also, switching sides and running Malta again would happen now, whereas another scenario will take months probably to come about. This would give me a way to fly in a scenario again much more quickly.
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Originally posted by Shane
oh you mean you want to fly lw with the historical numbers advantage?
:cool:
Ya right sure . . .
The ALLIES always get the better reg numbers !
;)
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brooke said, "switch sides" not "re-run" with new registration.
:aok
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I'm IN!
sign me up for whatever squad shane was in, they got all the meat.
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Count me in!! Id have a blast flying as axis!
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Originally posted by mechanic
I'm IN!
sign me up for whatever squad shane was in, they got all the meat.
heh, not really... altho JB42 did very well the frame i missed.
and in frame 3, i think at least 3 (2 for sure) of my kills were proxies when I got some overzealous allies to auger in some low rolling scissors. :aok
while I have no plms running as allied with reversed sides, it'll be interesting to see how the spit5 matches up. But then the armament superiorty of the allied rides would probably be offset by the numerical advantage of the axis (if indeed with reversed sides and comparable attendance).
I want my 109F gondies baaaaaaack!!!! 1 20mm vs 2-4 20mm makes life interesting to say the least.
it would also be highly amusing to see all these spit and hurri weenies flopping around helpless in the uberexperten untermodeled peashooting 109's - the leather undies would chafe and make their heads explode! :rofl
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I proposed hosting this side switch to give everyone a chance to see the other side.
I am not interested in reopening registration and doing it all over again. I offered to host the rerun so the Axis and Allies TEAMs had an opportunity to see the event from the other side with the same people they flew with before.
The allies may lose people due to the suckage that has been promoted as the Axis Conditions. This would logically assume that the Allies would be pigpiled with requests to be on the Allies side.
Personally, I don't see many people bailing from the former Allies team.
If Both Teams are not fully interested, then it would be a waste of time.
The Conditions Will Remain The Same, No changes to the setup, no changes to the roster, walkons would go to the Lowest Side with the disadvantage. Simple event. I don't want to implement setup changes that might occur in another complete run, only to open up cries of Unfair or complaints that one side didn't get to do what this new side got etc.
I am willing to host this in early January, as there is a gap between events, and that should give ample time to practice and plan.
Again, having Not heard from NASO, I am making no committments that this will run. It's still conceptual and based entirely on the level of participation and or complaints :)
Talk me into this if you want it.
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Since all 3 frames were pretty close in points even just a 1 Frame re-run would be interesting.
I would be more than willing to lead the AXIS Side - as long as I get Flossy to fly a bomber !
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Originally posted by Shane
it would also be highly amusing to see all these spit and hurri weenies flopping around helpless in the uberexperten untermodeled peashooting 109's - the leather undies would chafe and make their heads explode! :rofl
you gotta be kiddin! i was wishing for a plane with some speed and climb the whole frame avoiding the 35k axis hordes!
i think the majority of allied kills were on buffs and less experienced axis pilot, from what i saw the good majority of you guys were playing it very smooth and smart.
i would love the chance to be the high 109 cap not the low spit n hurricane self service buffet.
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I dunno about that..
hurri - 144 kills 129 deaths
spit - 79 kills 58 deaths
f4f - 31 kills 17 deaths
of the above allied kills, 88 could be attributed to buffs (unknown if fleet guns or base acks got any)...
allied totals: 254 kills, adjusted to 166 ftr kills (88 buffs) 204 deaths
109e - 8 kills 55 deaths
109f - 57 kills 60 deaths
202 - 56 kills 87 deaths
axis totals: 121 kills 202 deaths.
allied fighters had a 45 kill plus count over axis fighters. seems you guys did alright. saw and had to run from plenty of higher allied fighters.
the thing about 109f's after they took away the gondies it was impossible to get a quick kill and spits and hurris are manueverable as hell, so while we're trying to pick away at them, flying smart, plenty of higher allied fighters keep arriving. i'll take 2 or 4 hispanos vs 1 20mm anyday.
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I've sent e-mail to Naso asking if he'd like to give it a go as allied. I'll let folks know what I find out. Jordi is up for it -- I think a lot of the allies would be up for it.
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If this happens, how about a cap on the alt, say max of 20K?
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I think we should have no changes in rules, or there will be much complaining if the results are different from the first time it was run. Also, ROC said it'd get run only if everything (other than a switch of sides) is the same. I'm all for that.
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Ladies and gents
Good idea change nothing but sides and lets run another 3 frames
than let the complaining comence. :cry I had so much fun last 3 frames
hate to see it end so let eat some turkey drink adult bevs. and watch football
Have a happy thanksgiveing see ya;ll on the other side
reddogtl :aok
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Originally posted by Shane
I dunno about that..
hurri - 144 kills 129 deaths
spit - 79 kills 58 deaths
f4f - 31 kills 17 deaths
of the above allied kills, 88 could be attributed to buffs (unknown if fleet guns or base acks got any)...
allied totals: 254 kills, adjusted to 166 ftr kills (88 buffs) 204 deaths
109e - 8 kills 55 deaths
109f - 57 kills 60 deaths
202 - 56 kills 87 deaths
axis totals: 121 kills 202 deaths.
allied fighters had a 45 kill plus count over axis fighters. seems you guys did alright. saw and had to run from plenty of higher allied fighters.
the thing about 109f's after they took away the gondies it was impossible to get a quick kill and spits and hurris are manueverable as hell, so while we're trying to pick away at them, flying smart, plenty of higher allied fighters keep arriving. i'll take 2 or 4 hispanos vs 1 20mm anyday.
hehe ok i stand corrected. was just my perception from our squads eyes, didnt realise how many of you lot we killed.
109e really did that badly??
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The Bf 109E-4 pilots were at a big disadvantage in this one. The 109E-4 is substantially slower than the Spit V. It is even slower than the Hurri IIC above 22.5k, where we did have lots of fighting. Of course, the Spit, F4F, and Hurri all handily outturn it. So, flying the Bf 109E-4, you could often be in a situation where better-turning aircraft could also easily catch you -- a tough spot indeed.
Still, I'd be happy to fly a Bf 109E-4 if we get to rerun Malta with sides switched. I like that scenarios have a mix of aircraft, not all of them equal in performance.
I salute the pilots of the 109E-4, as theirs was one of the toughest jobs.
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I'm in for the rerun.
January have 2 weeks in Hawaii, but will participate all I can.
88's 87's, E's, F's, 202's, makes no difference.
Just want to fly scenario from other side.
Snoopy Bell
HB555
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fully understood brooke, my post was more out of suprise at only 8 kills for 55 deaths, thats quite a number, than trying to put them down.
S! to all axis pilots. 202s did very well though, i would have thought a single 20mm is still better than those mgs. they did of course have the advanage of speed.
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if the axis never even bothered to even roll the 109e's, they'd have a pretty convincing victory. i early on, after frame 1, advocated a point decrease for the 109e's. ah, well.
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Originally posted by Shane
if the axis never even bothered to even roll the 109e's, they'd have a pretty convincing victory. i early on, after frame 1, advocated a point decrease for the 109e's. ah, well.
The ALLIES could have just PARKED the spits once they landed on MALTA from the CV's and saved a ton of points also.
:)
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and you would have lost even more hurricanes, then. :p
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But at 1/2 the point value . . .
:)
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Count me in.
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ill fly
whels
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IN!
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I'm in....
=GB=
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IM In
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Im in:aok
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It would be fun and January should be good for me.
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I'm in
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Did Naso e-mail out to the axis side about this possibility for a side switch and rerun? Anyone on the axis side here know?
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Can't resist...nerve...breaking...m ustn't post the tard word...
IN!
Aww dangit.
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Originally posted by Brooke
Did Naso e-mail out to the axis side about this possibility for a side switch and rerun? Anyone on the axis side here know?
There hasn't been anything in the Axis forums nor any emails.
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I can confirm no mention has been made of this in the Axis forum..... :(
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I'll send Naso another e-mail. If anyone else (such as axis players) have his e-mail, could you also ask him to send out a mailing to the axis side? My guess is that the bulk of the axis side has no idea about:
1. The possibility of a rerun.
2. The movie DoK is putting together and how to contribute.
3. Patches.
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Actually, who has the whole list? ROC? Nefarious? Whoever it is could send out an e-mailing to everyone even if Naso doesn't respond to e-mails.
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ach ja!
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I've sent the following e-mail again to Naso. I'll let folks now if it seems like Naso has sent it out.
Hello, Naso. Can you please send out the following to the axis side? Also, could you let me know when you send it (or copy me on it) so that I know when it goes out? That way, I know I don't have to line up CM's to send it out to the axis side. It has already gone to the allied side. Thanks.
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The organizers of Fire Over Malta are offering to switch the sides and rerun the scenario. A lot of us think this would be very fun. If you are interested, please say so in the Aces High bulletin board, in "Special Events Forums > Scenario General > Rerun Malta with sides switched?". Here is the link to it:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165180
If there looks to be enough interest, the organizers will send out an e-mail to everyone giving the dates of the frames. It will be sometime in January, most likely.
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Also, DoK has agreed to make a movie of the action in the scenario. He did this previously for the Rangoon, '42 scenario, with the resulting movies posted here:
http://www.gonzoville.com/scenarios/page.php?id=52&a=dl
and
http://www.gonzoville.com/scenarios/page.php?id=51&a=dl
To participate, use your film viewer to clip out the best minute or so around some good action (use the "Start Select", "End Select", and "Copy Select") and upload the clip to DoK's site:
http://www.gonzoville.com/share/index.php
login, pw: aceshigh, Vultch
More details are in the bulletin board in "Special Events Forums > Fire Over Malta General Forum > Fire Over Malta, the Movie!". Here is the link:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165250
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Finally, several people are getting together to design and produce patches for the Malta scenario. A patch run costs about US$150-US$170. If you are interested in contributing US$5, please use Paypal to send the contribution to brookeg2 @ electraforge.com.
Details of the patch and information on progress is in "Special Events Forums > Fire Over Malta General Forum > Patches". Here is the link:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163964
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Thanks, all. It was great flying with you, and I hope to see all of you in Malta #2!
-- Brooke
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I'm in, personal schedule permitting, of course.
EDIT: I might have found a band-aid for my tech problems (temporary solution) that will let me fly without locking my PC up.
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You sure you guys want me in a spit?!?!
:aok
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In, i'll fly anythin but a bomber. Kinda funny being in Easy's group and all, (maybe a crash course in that aming crap and I'll be ok).
Other then that, i'm interested, any plane, against any numbers.
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Ah Bumba, you can be our escort and help setup Shane's Spit for us. ;)
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The 327th is interested in the 'Malta Switch"
Looks like fun.
Eagle,
GL RAF 249 Squadron (Retired)
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Not interested. Not even in 1 frame.
3 frames? The setup of the scenario is such that it is basicly the same frame, executed 3 times.
Points are ok. But there should be also a reward for progress on the battle field.
Examples:
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Sink the main ship in a fleet and in the next frame the fleet must respawn 4 sectors back and away from the point where is has been sunk.
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The capacity for rebuilding hangars ist reduced to 2 hangars for all fields on Malta in each frame. The Allied CO can choose 1 hangar to be undestructable in each frame.
Numbers, attendance, balance.
1) Eliminate 109E.
2) More 109F squads and less C202 squads. 8/4 or 6/6 instead of 4/8.
3) No formation restrictions for bombers on their first mission. Will mean: no life counter.
Under these conditions I would like to rerun the scenario.
As Axis. :)
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Under these conditions I would like to rerun the scenario.
Sorry, IF the event runs again, there won't be any conditions.
It runs the same, so there are no complaints about fairness or how one side won/lost because they did/didn't have the new improved stuff.
For every change that might be proposed there will be an argument that it should have stayed the same.
Any new ways to run this particular event will be discussed when the event runs, in full, the next time.
However, having heard nothing to date from a significant part of the event, this discussion may prove a moot point anyway.
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Sorry. Was not quite clear from my side.
I would rerun the scenario under listed conditions *without* switching sides.
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Can someone just send out an e-mail to all registrants? I've tried reaching Naso through the bulletin board with no luck -- let's just sent out an e-mail to all.
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I think that EMAIL needs to come from the CM's to the pilots on both sides.
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I am here!
Sorry, but my internet connection has burned up (lighting).
And I have worked out of town for the week.
I am stealing now some istants in my office before leaving again for a week.
Anyway I would like to participate in this rerun.
At least we will see how this thing could have worked with the correct side ratio.
Cya in a week.
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Excellent! However, CM folks, it still seems like Naso could use some help getting the word out to the axis side.
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IN
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Ok, now that we have Naso buying in, prepare for a bombardment of emails.
Naso, good to see you!
Let's Run This :aok
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In :aok
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I am all for it if the times are changed... sorry 1PM on a saturday seriously cuts into my skiing time!
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Emails are sent out. I have notified everyone who registered that their boards are still active, and to head on back in.
I am open to discussions about the Time Frame, if it will increase participation, I'm all for it.
Make your requests for Time and either Saturday or Sunday to your CO's. They will be in the design forum with Nef and I as we re-introduce this event.
I'm Thrilled this is running again. It's a perfect fill in for the gap between the new year and the next event, as well as a Great way to see this event from the other side.
I expect, knowing these teams as I do, that we will again experience a near draw, but I always enjoy a hearty suprise
:D
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Bodhi, side note, we got snow at Donner today, measured in Feet, first real storm of the season.
I haven't had my skies out in about 4 years, they came down today, I think it's "wax on" time :)
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possible..any idea on when?
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I am all for it if the times are changed... sorry 1PM on a saturday seriously cuts into my skiing time!
stop whining!! I gave up golfing time for it, sorta... :cool:
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I'm in
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Originally posted by Heater
possible..any idea on when?
Sounds like frame 1 sometime in the first half of January.
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Lock and Load let's put wings toi the air and flames to the sea.:D
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Originally posted by ROC
Bodhi, side note, we got snow at Donner today, measured in Feet, first real storm of the season.
I haven't had my skies out in about 4 years, they came down today, I think it's "wax on" time :)
We had another good dump of snow this weekend. I hit the south ridges on the west side of pikes peak sunday. About 3 feet of fesh powder...
Hopefully we get more tomorrow night!
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Iam in if i dont get wife acked :furious
worse that a 30mm cannon on a good day on your 6 :confused:
cant wait to see how this plays out.....;)
reddogtl :aok
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The old 9 Gruppo team are in, and wish to remain together.
We are...
Gorkle
ljbomber
Assasin
Hugo
Schutt - if you read this, are you with us?