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Title: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on October 31, 2023, 12:04:30 PM
From one week to another with a four day pause in use, Nvidia driver update, frame rates have dumped from a consistent 70s - 80s, to 15s - 25s with constant screen jitters.  The 3080 has run with perfection after numerous updates.  Not sure if the most recent once is the cause, or something else is going on.  Planning on reinstalling the graphics card drivers today as a first step. Any ideas?

Additionally, this red cross hatching has started appearing in the text buffer.

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Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: oboe on October 31, 2023, 01:30:07 PM
My thoughts -

- Do one thing at a time, checking ingame for changes with each step.  I think back out latest graphics drivers is a logical first step

- check your graphics card connections, reseat connections at back of computer

- check your machine for dust build up
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: The Fugitive on October 31, 2023, 03:45:46 PM
My thoughts -

- Do one thing at a time, checking ingame for changes with each step.  I think back out latest graphics drivers is a logical first step

- check your graphics card connections, reseat connections at back of computer

- check your machine for dust build up.........and if the fans are running
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on October 31, 2023, 07:07:48 PM
Thanks for the ideas, Gents.  I started with the simplest and checked for driver updates.  As luck would have it, a new one came out today.  Downloaded and installed it.  Frame rates are back to normal.  Love when it’s something simple.   :aok

Thanks again for your thoughts guys!   :salute
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: oboe on October 31, 2023, 07:58:41 PM
Glad to hear it!   :aok
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on October 31, 2023, 10:35:50 PM
With the frame rate mystery solved, any ideas on the red hatch marks on the text that appears on the “EVENT” text lines?  It’s been showing up for the last couple of weeks.
 
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Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: oboe on November 01, 2023, 12:12:41 AM
Does it occur in any other 3D programs?   
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Icer on November 01, 2023, 05:44:06 AM

Just a heads-up when installing Nvidia drivers, highly suggest using NVCleanstall (https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/) to do a "Clean" installation of the latest drivers, no Telemetry, no GeForce Experience,  no added crap.. Now back to regular programming.  :)
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Drano on November 01, 2023, 09:12:30 AM
Just a heads-up when installing Nvidia drivers, highly suggest using NVCleanstall (https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/) to do a "Clean" installation of the latest drivers, no Telemetry, no GeForce Experience,  no added crap.. Now back to regular programming.  :)

This! But first....

If things are getting screwy and you suspect a driver issue it's probably a good idea to to a COMPLETELY clean install using DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Get that at Guru3D here:

  https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/ (https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/)

What the difference? DDU will completely remove all traces of the video drivers and reg files for all GPU brands and also the audio drivers and files if needed. So you're starting out with a truely clean slate. If you're switching out cards, defiinitely do this. ESPECIALLY if you're going from team red to team green or team blue. Absolutely don't skip this! You'll save yourself a lot of hassle. Follow the directions. This must be run in safe mode!

NVCleanstall is a bit different. Get that at Techpowerup here:

  https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/ (https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/)

What it does is debloat the driver install itself allowing you to choose what NV crapola you want in part of the install or not. I usually just go with the driver install alone as I don't use the experience or any of that. Run the app, a dialog box comes up asking what you to select a driver file. Another dialog with check boxes asks what you stuff you want to install. One box should be do a clean install. This will erase anything you might have had set up in the NV control panel. This is also important as some of those settings might not be totally compatible from one driver set to another. You'll just have to put things back manually.
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on November 01, 2023, 11:22:19 AM
Does it occur in any other 3D programs?   

No, only here in the last couple of weeks.  :salute


This! But first....

If things are getting screwy and you suspect a driver issue it's probably a good idea to to a COMPLETELY clean install using DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Get that at Guru3D here:

  https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/ (https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/)

What the difference? DDU will completely remove all traces of the video drivers and reg files for all GPU brands and also the audio drivers and files if needed. So you're starting out with a truely clean slate. If you're switching out cards, defiinitely do this. ESPECIALLY if you're going from team red to team green or team blue. Absolutely don't skip this! You'll save yourself a lot of hassle. Follow the directions. This must be run in safe mode!

NVCleanstall is a bit different. Get that at Techpowerup here:

  https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/ (https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/)

What it does is debloat the driver install itself allowing you to choose what NV crapola you want in part of the install or not. I usually just go with the driver install alone as I don't use the experience or any of that. Run the app, a dialog box comes up asking what you to select a driver file. Another dialog with check boxes asks what you stuff you want to install. One box should be do a clean install. This will erase anything you might have had set up in the NV control panel. This is also important as some of those settings might not be totally compatible from one driver set to another. You'll just have to put things back manually.

Thanks!  I’ve never heard of this and will definitely use it.  Another one of those “I don’t know what I don’t know” issues.   :salute
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Bizman on November 01, 2023, 11:33:08 AM
With the frame rate mystery solved, any ideas on the red hatch marks on the text that appears on the “EVENT” text lines?  It’s been showing up for the last couple of weeks.
To me they look just like some red bleeding through the yellow...

First thing to test is to change the size of the buffer text. Some sizes just don't scale as good as others.

Another thing to test is to slightly change the colour of Event messages. Same reason, some hues just don't play well.
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on November 01, 2023, 12:02:03 PM
To me they look just like some red bleeding through the yellow...

First thing to test is to change the size of the buffer text. Some sizes just don't scale as good as others.

Another thing to test is to slightly change the colour of Event messages. Same reason, some hues just don't play well.

Thanks!  I’ll give that a try.  I’ve never changed the EVENT messages but, will make sure that’s not an issue.   :salute
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Drano on November 01, 2023, 12:35:21 PM
I was having a similar issue with the text in the buffer. Mine was a chromatic abberation thing tho. Where you could see the letters but they'd have say the red and blue slightly offset. I started noticing it looking out the windows in the tower too. Could see it along the windo panes. It just bugged me so I looked into it. I found out how to correct for that in this article:

https://www.mtbs3d.com/articles/editorial/22920-guide-how-to-test-and-fix-chromatic-aberration-on-wmr-vr-headsets.html (https://www.mtbs3d.com/articles/editorial/22920-guide-how-to-test-and-fix-chromatic-aberration-on-wmr-vr-headsets.html)

There's a vid in this link that describes the process using an app called WMR Tray Tool. Link in the article.

As Biz says tho, yours might be a straight up color problem. Try another color and see if it goes away.
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on November 01, 2023, 12:37:36 PM
Thanks Drano!  I’ll give it a try.  Just plain strange it occurred without any intentional action on my part.   :salute
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: SNO on November 01, 2023, 12:44:32 PM
Thanks Drano!  I’ll give it a try.  Just plain strange it occurred without any intentional action on my part.   :salute

You’re a fighter pilot, you should be used to unintentional actions occurring without any intentional action on your part!  :devil
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on November 01, 2023, 08:06:34 PM
You’re a fighter pilot, you should be used to unintentional actions occurring without any intentional action on your part!  :devil

I am, I am!  Just frustrating bumping into myself all the time.🥴
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on November 02, 2023, 11:03:55 AM
To me they look just like some red bleeding through the yellow...

First thing to test is to change the size of the buffer text. Some sizes just don't scale as good as others.

Another thing to test is to slightly change the colour of Event messages. Same reason, some hues just don't play well.

Increased the size of the text buffer slightly and that got rid of the red cross hatching.  Plus, made it easier to read.  Double win!  Thanks for the suggestion!  :salute
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on November 11, 2023, 11:01:54 AM
Found the issue: drivers.  After checking both the headset and 3080 on the device manager, went to the Nvidia app, pecked around and found an option for clean reinstall of the drivers.  Did that and the frames rates in VR are now running normally.  Apparently, one of the last updates dropped something nasty in the punch bowl, cause the low frame rates.
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: BigR on November 11, 2023, 02:15:04 PM
From one week to another with a four day pause in use, Nvidia driver update, frame rates have dumped from a consistent 70s - 80s, to 15s - 25s with constant screen jitters.  The 3080 has run with perfection after numerous updates.  Not sure if the most recent once is the cause, or something else is going on.  Planning on reinstalling the graphics card drivers today as a first step. Any ideas?

Additionally, this red cross hatching has started appearing in the text buffer.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BZrcNrLL/IMG-5767.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)pic uploads (https://postimages.org/)

Another thing to watch out for with this headset is that if you go to 2d mode and go afk for a prolonged period, when you come back the frame rate will tank and you will need to quit out of Steam, Steam VR and Windows Mixed Reality, then open them back up and relaunch AH.
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on November 12, 2023, 10:23:27 AM
Another thing to watch out for with this headset is that if you go to 2d mode and go afk for a prolonged period, when you come back the frame rate will tank and you will need to quit out of Steam, Steam VR and Windows Mixed Reality, then open them back up and relaunch AH.

Thanks!  Didn’t realize that could happen.  Another “I don’t know what I don’t know” item.   :salute
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: SNO on November 12, 2023, 12:03:29 PM
If I go into 2d for maybe 5 minutes my text boxes will be minimized and stuck up to the ceiling needing reconfigured. To not have this happen when I am afk I put a lens cleaner over the sensor making the headset go back to 3D and then remove when back and everything is as I left it.
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: 1stpar3 on November 13, 2023, 04:57:10 AM
With the frame rate mystery solved, any ideas on the red hatch marks on the text that appears on the “EVENT” text lines?  It’s been showing up for the last couple of weeks.
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/3w3zL84d/IMG-5767.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Are you using Challenger's last sound pak?   I do, and get these messages on the regular!
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: Puma44 on November 13, 2023, 09:41:39 AM
Are you using Challenger's last sound pak?   I do, and get these messages on the regular!

Yes but, they’ve never been visible until the frame rate issue appeared.  Increasing the size of font resolved it.
Title: Re: Reverb G2 Frames Rate Mysteriously Tanked
Post by: 1stpar3 on November 14, 2023, 05:04:15 AM
Yes but, they’ve never been visible until the frame rate issue appeared.  Increasing the size of font resolved it.
Got ya! A month or so ago, Reaper24 posted a mission. Dieter and I noticed, with he Clipboard open to that sign in window...frs were in the teens. Close clipboard..back to normal. Then all the sudden...it never happened again.  Yeah, not very many Missions have been posted since then...but it hasnt happened since?  Next day..I had 12 Drivers needing updates, per my Driver Easy app, so...?