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Title: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 04, 2019, 06:52:41 PM
For those that don't slum that far down the forum list...   ;)

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,398594.0.html (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,398594.0.html)

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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 04, 2019, 07:48:34 PM
Thanks for putting in the effort and time to create all these multiple 4 vs 4 Dogfighting missions, CptTrips :aok  :salute

is greatly & much appreciated,Sir!


TC

I recommend others to go check these missions that CptTrips has designed/created...

Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: Eagler on December 09, 2019, 03:07:10 PM
Are these supposed to work in VR?

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Eagler
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2019, 04:04:43 PM
Are these supposed to work in VR?

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Eagler

They do with mine.  Vive.  I only fly VR.

Are you having a problem? 

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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: Eagler on December 10, 2019, 08:44:00 AM
Yes when i try to launch a mission i get the air start and can hear the engine but can't see anything in the vive pro

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Eagler
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 10, 2019, 09:09:15 AM
Yes when i try to launch a mission i get the air start and can hear the engine but can't see anything in the vive pro

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Eagler


I'd post on the VR or support forum to see if they can help troubleshoot. 

There should be no reason they wouldn't work with VR.  I've played most of them on a my Vive with no problem. 

Weird.

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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: DaddyAce on December 10, 2019, 12:05:52 PM
I tried one yesterday and it worked fine in my Rift.   :aok
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: Eagler on December 12, 2019, 01:52:57 PM
I was able to fly for allies and axis in the spit5 vs 109f mission

Great fun!

Can the fight be sooner in the mission?

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Eagler
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: DLXIRON on December 12, 2019, 02:35:05 PM


So after I get shot down in one of these missions how do I relaunch it without having to completely exit the game?

Thanks
Dougie
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 12, 2019, 02:40:32 PM
Can the fight be sooner in the mission?

You really think the merge takes too long?

So I kinda based that on giving them time to see the message that it is cold merge,
also for some odd reason, when you air-start  it starts you with your gear down and your engine off.  :O  I wanted you to have time to raise your gear and get your RPM/speed stabilized.

Also wanted to give them time to visually acquire the oncoming targets and prep their brain.

How much shorter do you want the merge?

I might make you a couple of custom versions, but I don't think I would like to go back and update all 64 of the current ones.

What would be your perfect setup preference?  If I was going to make you 3 varients, what planes do you want?

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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 12, 2019, 02:44:06 PM

So after I get shot down in one of these missions how do I relaunch it without having to completely exit the game?

Thanks
Dougie

I don't have the UI in front of me, but

first you'll get a rating screen if you have never rated that mission yet.  Either rate it and hit OK, or cancel.

Now, on the "Staged Missions" menu, select "Select Missions"  (or after the rating you might already be there....)

There might be more that one mission listed for that terrain.  Select the one you want and hit OK, and it should start.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Doing that from memory so I think it mostly correct.

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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: DLXIRON on December 12, 2019, 04:10:53 PM
I don't have the UI in front of me, but

first you'll get a rating screen if you have never rated that mission yet.  Either rate it and hit OK, or cancel.

Now, on the "Staged Missions" menu, select "Select Missions"  (or after the rating you might already be there....)

There might be more that one mission listed for that terrain.  Select the one you want and hit OK, and it should start.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Doing that from memory so I think it mostly correct.

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Got it!, thank you
Dougie

Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: DLXIRON on December 12, 2019, 04:41:14 PM


Man I like those!  Thanks for doing those Cpt Trips!  The I16 v the Brewster in the snow is fun!

Dougie
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 12, 2019, 04:44:02 PM

Man I like those!  Thanks for doing those Cpt Trips!  The I16 v the Brewster in the snow is fun!

Dougie


Awesome!  Thanks for letting me know you liked it.


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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: snugar109 on December 13, 2019, 03:21:18 PM
Great fun CptTrips, thanks for taking the time to make these. Wanted to try just one and ended up trying 5 or 6.

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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 13, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
Great fun CptTrips, thanks for taking the time to make these. Wanted to try just one and ended up trying 5 or 6.

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Thanks Snugar! 

Fighting other players in scenarios and such will always be the real steak and potatoes.  This stuff is just bubble-gum. 
But sometimes in between steaks it nice to chew a little gum for variety.  ;)

And hopefully younger players and newbies would find those helpful to practice basic skills and build confidence.



I'm also considering trying to make a set really toned down specifically geared for mouse-only players.  Just to give them something fun to do other than getting raped in the Melee.  For the last couple of days I've been flying missions with the mouse.  I don't see how that could be even reasonable in the Melee.  Yeah, I know, we have some rare virtuoso's, but I bet the vast majority of new mouse players would find it ridiculously impossible to compete in the Main. 

Hitech has said in the past that upwards of 80% of the people who download the game to try are only using a mouse.


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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: DaddyAce on December 13, 2019, 10:18:43 PM
I flew a handfull today jsut to get some quick practice in 190D9.  Enjoyed them!   :aok
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 13, 2019, 10:35:33 PM
I flew a handfull today jsut to get some quick practice in 190D9.  Enjoyed them!   :aok

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See ya tomorrow!

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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: Eagler on December 14, 2019, 08:43:46 AM
You really think the merge takes too long?

So I kinda based that on giving them time to see the message that it is cold merge,
also for some odd reason, when you air-start  it starts you with your gear down and your engine off.  :O  I wanted you to have time to raise your gear and get your RPM/speed stabilized.

Also wanted to give them time to visually acquire the oncoming targets and prep their brain.

How much shorter do you want the merge?

I might make you a couple of custom versions, but I don't think I would like to go back and update all 64 of the current ones.

What would be your perfect setup preference?  If I was going to make you 3 varients, what planes do you want?

 :salute

I like the DA merge distance myself but maybe a third the distance now?

What about b&z against t&b? And vise versa..

190d vs 109f/g or spit5

1 vs 2/3/4

2 vs 2/3/4

You might have these

Thanks for all your time and effort putting these together

<S>

Eagler

Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 14, 2019, 08:58:08 AM
CptTrips,

You're missing something in the CM commands/settings regarding air-start's with gear up and engine running at a set speed...

Just a FYI

~S~

TC
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 14, 2019, 09:24:56 AM
..oops mis edited
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 14, 2019, 09:28:59 AM
CptTrips,

You're missing something in the CM commands/settings regarding air-start's with gear up and engine running at a set speed...

Just a FYI

~S~

TC


Well, these missions aren't use a custom arena file, just the defaults, but I can add one if needed.  I'll research that to see what setting I need to tweak.

They are being air-spawned by the placement in the mission editor.  And it knows they are air-spawning because on each flight definition I went in a clicked the "Air Spawn" button on each.  So you would think the mission system would just spawn them properly.  However we do not live in a perfect universe.  If there are magic hoops I need to jump through to make things work right, I'll jump.  :D

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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 14, 2019, 10:24:30 PM
I like the DA merge distance myself but maybe a third the distance now?

What about b&z against t&b? And vise versa..

190d vs 109f/g or spit5

1 vs 2/3/4

2 vs 2/3/4


What I was trying to say before mangling my last edit...

The current merge is about 15 sec. It takes about 10 sec to spool the RPM back up and stabilize your speed before breaking to engage.  If a can find a setting TC suggests to air spawn you at full speed and full RPM, then I will experiment with cutting that merge to about 5-6 sec.

Also, all the first batch I did were purely 4x4 with as even a matchup as I could. 

But, dissimilar aircraft and asymmetrical numbers would be perfectly valid too.  However, I'm not really a plane expert.  If you can give me a list (plane, counts) of matchups you think would be interesting, I can do those as a new set of asymmetrical matchups.

Keep in mind the AI doesn't understand BnZ.  It tried to TnB anything you put it in including bombers.  :D  It would probably make sense if I lock IT so that the human can only play the BnZ plane.  Note for me which one you think that should be.

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Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 15, 2019, 02:21:31 PM
. farge
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: jeffn on December 16, 2019, 05:26:22 PM
These are fun. Just found them because of this thread.
Thanks for doing them CptTrips  :salute
Title: Re: Forty 4x4 Offline Dogfight Missions
Post by: CptTrips on December 16, 2019, 05:56:08 PM
These are fun. Just found them because of this thread.
Thanks for doing them CptTrips  :salute

Thanks!  I'm glad you are enjoying them. 

Tell your friends. ;)


Hitch did such a good job at streamlining the offline mission user experience,  I no longer see the need to try and make a 24-7 AI Augmented Arena for WWII like the WWI: Western Front.
In fact I've suggested he can just shut that down too and I'll just make some more WWI offline missions.

Enjoy!

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