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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Minotaur on June 05, 2000, 03:02:00 PM
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The P-51D has 7384 kills and has been killed 7139 times. (1.07)
The Bf 109G-10 has 5942 kills and has been killed 5127 times. (1.16)
The Spitfire Mk IX has 11468 kills and has been killed 11287 times. (1.02)
The B-17G has 4195 kills and has been killed 5056 times. (.83)
The Panzer IV has 5267 kills and has been killed 4688 times. (1.12)
The Typhoon IB has 888 kills and has been killed 921 times. (.96)
The M-16 has 2746 kills and has been killed 4127 times. (.66)
The C.202 has 144 kills and has been killed 365 times. (.39)
The P-38L has 4146 kills and has been killed 4782 times. (.86)
The Spitfire Mk V has 2834 kills and has been killed 3564 times. (.80)
The F4U-1C has 11133 kills and has been killed 6154 times. (1.81)
The Bf 109G-6 has 561 kills and has been killed 871 times. (.64)
The Bf 109G-2 has 619 kills and has been killed 721 times. (.86)
The Bf 109F-4 has 367 kills and has been killed 656 times. (.56)
The B-26B has 3009 kills and has been killed 3966 times. (.76)
The F4U-1D has 558 kills and has been killed 995 times. (.56)
The C.205 has 3677 kills and has been killed 3449 times. (1.07)
The Fw 190A-8 has 5885 kills and has been killed 4180 times. (1.40)
The N1K2 has 7154 kills and has been killed 6247 times. (1.15)
The La-5FN has 2529 kills and has been killed 2143 times. (1.18)
The C-47A has 162 kills and has been killed 2382 times. (.07)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 06-05-2000).]
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Rated by K/D
1.81 - F4U-1C
1.40 - 190A-8
1.18 - La5-FN
1.16 - 109G-10
1.15 - N1K1
1.12 - Panzer IV
1.07 - C.205
1.07 - P-51D
1.02 - Spit IX
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0.96 - Typhoon
0.86 - 109G-2
0.86 - P-38L
0.83 - B-17G
0.80 - Spit V
0.76 - B-26
0.64 - 109G-6
0.64 - M16
0.56 - 109F-4
0.56 - F4U-1D
0.39 - C.202
0.07 - C-47A
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 06-05-2000).]
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That seems about right to me. Spit has the most kills and deaths. F4u-1c highest K/D. c202 is the lowest. The 190 is a shocker though, 1.4 is the highest I've ever seen for it.
I did some additional calculations to find air to air stats only for the 190 and F4u-1c. My stats are 190 vs (fighters + bombers). (excluding 190 vs 190)
My result was 4643 kills to 3479 losses for a final air to air k/d of 1.3346.
For the F4U-1c the same method gives 8083 kills to 4575 losses for a K/d of 1.7668.
JG/2 must be flying 190s (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I tried one myself for a night and was plesantly surprised with my results, 15 kills to 3 losses (only 1 vs a plane).
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Rated by total kills
11468 - Spit IX
11133 - F4U-1C
7384 - P-51D
7154 - N1K2
5942 - 109G-10
5885 - 190A-8
5267 - Panzer IV
4195 - B-17G
4146 - P-38L
3677 - C.205
3009 - B-26
2834 - Spit V
2746 - M16
2529 - La-5FN
888 - Typhoon
619 - 109G-2
558 - F4U-1D
561 - 109G-6
367 - 109F-4
162 - C-47A
144 - C.202
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 06-05-2000).]
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Rated by popularity (K+D)
22755 - Spit IX
17287 - F4U-1C
14523 - P-51D
13401 - N1K2
11069 - 109G-10
10065 - 190A-8
9955 - Panzer IV
9251 - B-17G
8928 - P-38L
7126 - C.205
6975 - B-26
6873 - M16
6398 - Spit V
4672 - La-5FN
2544 - C-47A
1809 - Typhoon
1553 - F4U-1D
1432 - 109G-6
1340 - 109G-2
1023 - 109F-4
509 - C.202
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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Ugh... the unarmed c47 has more kills than the c202. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Something strangely funny about that...
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Country vs Country stats:
(Country vs Country: kills, deaths, ratio)
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Bishops vs Bishops: 11k, 11d, 1.000
Bishops vs Rooks: 12965k, 14330d, 0.904
Bishops vs Knights: 14687k, 15606d, 0.941
Total: 27663k, 29947d, 0.924
Rooks vs Bishops: 14330k, 12965d, 1.105
Rooks vs Rooks: 7k, 7d, 1.000
Rooks vs Knights: 11821k, 12116d, 0.975
Total: 26158k, 25088d, 1.043
Knights vs Bishops: 15606k, 14687d, 1.063
Knights vs Rooks: 12116k, 11821d, 1.025
Knights vs Knights: 12k, 12d, 1.000
Total: 27734k, 26520d, 1.046
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(I sense a new slogan for the rooks: "You are 41.6% less likely to be shot down by another rook than if you were a knight." (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
How do you shoot down someone on your own team? I thought killshooter was on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
[This message has been edited by bloom25 (edited 06-05-2000).]
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I had a friendly kill when I dropped a bomb to kill a tank. A friendly made a strafing run just as the bomb arrived and was VERY low. The bomb got the friendly, not the tank and I got a kill message.
A bug or just a fluke, who knows. It's only happened to me once, and that was in tour 4.
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Soda
The Wrecking Crew
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Here's a good stat:
Edit: I goofed and posted tour 5 stats originally. It has now been fixed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Plane kills to deaths by country:
(Country (B, R, K), Plane, Kills, Deaths, Ratio)
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B, p51d, 3151, 3015, 1.045
R, p51d, 2041, 1916, 1.065
K, p51d, 2192, 2208, 0.993
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B, 109G10, 1510, 1372, 1.101
R, 109G10, 1592, 1489, 1.070
K, 109G10, 2840, 2266, 1.253
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B, 109G6, 264, 405, 0.652
R, 109G6, 107, 252, 0.425
K, 109G6, 190, 214, 0.888
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B, 109G2, 339, 329, 1.030
R, 109G2, 67, 127, 0.528
K, 109G2, 213, 265, 0.804
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B, 109F4, 71, 195, 0.364
R, 109F4, 123, 230, 0.535
K, 109F4, 173, 231, 0.749
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B, Spit9, 3934, 4344, 0.906
R, Spit9, 4677, 3991, 1.172
K, Spit9, 2857, 2952, 0.968
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B, Spit5, 919, 1302, 0.706
R, Spit5, 994, 1077, 0.923
K, Spit5, 921, 1185, 0.777
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B, C205, 1019, 1344, 0.758
R, C205, 1139, 1015, 1.122
K, C205, 1519, 1090, 1.394
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B, C202, 39, 86, 0.453
R, C202, 71, 176, 0.403
K, C202, 34, 103, 0.330
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B, B17, 1601, 2082, 0.769
R, B17, 1415, 1628, 0.869
K, B17, 1179, 1346, 0.876
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B, B26, 1286, 1707, 0.753
R, B26, 753, 1023, 0.736
K, B26, 970, 1236, 0.785
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B, P38, 1195, 1562, 0.765
R, P38, 1415, 1590, 0.890
K, P38, 1536, 1630, 0.942
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B, F4u-1c, 4276, 2488, 1.719
R, F4u-1c, 4348, 2038, 2.133
K, F4u-1c, 2509, 1628, 1.541
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B, F4u-1d, 150, 369, 0.407
R, F4u-1d, 311, 361, 0.861
K, F4u-1d, 97, 265, 0.366
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B, N1K2, 2604, 2397, 1.086
R, N1K2, 3038, 2373, 1.280
K, N1K2, 1512, 1477, 1.024
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B, 190A8, 1101, 1057, 1.042
R, 190A8, 903, 814, 1.11
K, 190A8, 3881, 2309, 1.681
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B, La5, 543, 619, 0.877
R, La5, 391, 468, 0.835
K, La5, 1595, 1056, 1.510
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B, C47, 30, 858, 0.035
R, C47, 68, 717, 0.095
K, C47, 64, 807, 0.079
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B, Typh, 209, 268, 0.780
R, Typh, 230, 242, 0.950
K, Typh, 449, 411, 1.092
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B, PNZR, 2136, 1802, 1.185
R, PNZR, 1387, 1307, 1.061
K, PNZR, 1744, 1579, 1.105
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B, M16, 904, 1429, 0.633
R, M16, 845, 1279, 0.661
K, M16, 997, 1419, 0.703
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Interesting...
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
[This message has been edited by bloom25 (edited 06-07-2000).]
[This message has been edited by bloom25 (edited 06-07-2000).]
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The La-5FN and the 190A-8 made the largest upward jumps. The 109's took a significant downward trend.
The Panzer is also quite impressive, I suspect many of its kills are with the plane just taking off.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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Thanks Bloom...
Yes it is interesting! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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Based on the above:
Bishops...
-most likely to fall to knees and chant upon hearing the word "Mustang."
-don't know where Russia is.
-believe the ultimate Christmas present would be a Wright R-1820-97 Cyclone radial engine to put in their Buicks.
-think Macchi is a type of cheese
-think transport planes are great E fighters
-think Erich Hartmann was a contestant on "Who Wants to be a Millionare?"
-think being able to Spitfire will get you a job with the circus.
-speak Japanese as their native language
Rooks...
-worship the ground whereupon a manly Vought aircraft dripped some oil.
-shouldn't be allowed to speak the word "goon."
-think a Typhoon is just another word for a hurricane
-need Tiger tanks
-drive an M16 to work every day
-should tour the Boeing plant along with the Knights
-also believe Macchi is a type of cheese
-think like the Bishops, but would prefer the P&W R-2800-8W in their car
-majored in Japanese while in school
Knights...
-truely believe the N1K2 is a zero
-can recite word for word the "Iron Curtain" speech
-can find Italy and Russia on a map
-reinact the Ploesti oil fields strike over and over
-have met Kurt Tank
-never had a pony as a child
-worship the ground Kelly Johnson walked on
-can't fly any plane painted blue
-think the Typhoon was the finest fighter ever to fly for the RAF
-will travel across the world to see any plane designed by Willy Messerschmitt
All in good fun of course. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
[This message has been edited by bloom25 (edited 06-05-2000).]
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Now if we could only get a really meaningful stat like the number of pilots who fly for each country.
Nits are a bunch of assimilated Borg. Nit mantra is, "If you cant beat em, join Nit".
Yes there is JUST A TAD bit of sarcasm in my post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but dont get me wrong...seems Bishops almost always get stuck between swarms of Riks or Nits. Wish there were some way we could keep the numbers at a manageable level for all sides. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Bloom, seems like you looked at the stats from tour 5! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I thought that G-2 figure for bishes looked a bit weird. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) During Tour 4, bishes were the best G-2 fliers - the only country with K/D over 1.
Camo
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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
www.muodos.fi/LLv34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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Minotaur I had 87 of the 363 AC kills in a Panzer for Knights and I can tell you that less than 10 were AC on the ground. Most kills were low flyers who didn't know how to attack a tank.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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Originally posted by bloom25:
Here's a good stat:
Plane kills to deaths by country:
(Country (B, R, K), Plane, Kills, Deaths, Ratio)
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B, 190A8, 188, 217, 0.866
R, 190A8, 106, 120, 0.883
K, 190A8, 504, 294, 1.715
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RAM's Stats on Fw190A8:
RAM has 196 kills and has been killed 87 times in the Fw 190A-8.
Are you telling me that 1/3 of ALL the kills of the 190 in Knightland ARE MINE!??!?!?!?!
(in fact 40% kills are mine??)
God I feel important (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hihihihihihihi
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-06-2000).]
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(Forgot the sig (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
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Ram, out
Fw190D9? Ta152H1? The truth is out there
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://members.tripod.com/JG2/)
(http://nottosc.tripod.com/ram190.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-06-2000).]
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But ya let the kill to death slip a little.
pongo has 60 kills and has been killed 23 times in the Fw 190A-8
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"Stupids are like flies. they are everywere, but are easy to kill"
RAM
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Originally posted by Pongo:
But ya let the kill to death slip a little.
UmmmI got 18 Discos in Tour 4...you can bet that at least 15 were in Fw190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
ADd to that two or three weird wing ripping (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) and the K/D thing now goes a bit better (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Anyway something ove a 2/1 K/D in 190 for me is wonderful (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Sure is....
And thats alot of kills
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"Stupids are like flies. they are everywere, but are easy to kill"
RA
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RAM's Stats on Fw190A8:
RAM has 196 kills and has been killed 87 times in the Fw 190A-8.<snip>
UmmmI got 18 Discos in Tour 4...you can bet that at least 15 were in Fw190
ADd to that two or three weird wing ripping and the K/D thing now goes a bit better
Ok RAM if your gonna start adding up stats like that, then you need to subtract] one of those Fw190A8 kills (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) you got when I disco'd and you just happened to be the closest enemy to me and got the kill award, even though I was like D3.0k from you, undamaged, and extending away (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
18 Discos?? Damn that comes out to 9 deaths !! I think I would be finding a new ISP.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Guys, I goofed and posted tour 5 stats accidentally. I'll fix it as soon as I have time. (LOL, I thought the numbers seemed awefully low.)
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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It's fixed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Some interesting changes I noticed:
A. Rooks got the highest p51 k/d.
B. Rooks are the masters of the Spit IX
C. Knights are actually the most survivable bombers
D. JG2 is awesome. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
E. This is just scary: "R, F4u-1c, 4348, 2038, 2.133" & "R, F4u-1d, 311, 361, 0.861"
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Originally posted by bloom25:
Here's a good stat:
Plane kills to deaths by country:
(Country (B, R, K), Plane, Kills, Deaths, Ratio)
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B, 109G2, 339, 329, 1.030
R, 109G2, 67, 127, 0.528
K, 109G2, 213, 265, 0.804
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<narcism>
Tour 4: Camo has 150 kills and has been killed 89 times in the Bf 109G-2. (K/D 1.69)
That's 44% of the bishops' G-2 kills, 27% of the deaths. That's also 24% of ALL G-2 kills, 12% of all deaths. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The K/D differences between the countries are quite significant. Also, it seems like the finns (mostly bish) and JG2 (knit) are almost the only ones flying the G-2. But the finns seem do it a lot better. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
</narcism>
Camo
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Originally posted by bloom25:
Guys, I goofed and posted tour 5 stats accidentally. I'll fix it as soon as I have time. (LOL, I thought the numbers seemed awefully low.
LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I noticed it right off, but wanted people to boast about their flying prowness some more. Good for a few laughs... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"If you little boys don't behave I'm going to send you to your rooms without supper!"
John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
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Here's some more observations:
I summed the kills and deaths of the buffs, per country:
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B, B17, 1601+2082=3683
R, B17, 1415+1628=3043
K, B17, 1179+1346=2525
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B, B26, 1286+1707=2993
R, B26, 753+1023=1776
K, B26, 970+1236=2206
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B, C47, 30+858=888
R, C47, 68+717=785
K, C47, 64+807=871
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Based on these sums, the bishops seem to fly more bomber sorties than rooks or knights. By a long margin, I would say. Any theories why?
The rooks tend to prefer the B17, whereas the bishops and knights fly both bomber types quite evenly. <edit> Beefcake? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) </edit>
The bishops and knights fly more goonie runs than rooks. However, the bishops have astoundingly few kills in the C47 compared to other countries. Any theories why?
[This message has been edited by LLv34_Camouflage (edited 06-07-2000).]
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Anyone notice how poorly the M16 is doing?
The M16 must not be able to be used in the role it was intended or it is much to easy to kill. Possible 1.03 will help out this "Red Haired Step Child".
What role has the C.202 been used for? It has a very dismal performance in Tour 4.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"If you little boys don't behave I'm going to send you to your rooms without supper!"
John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
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Minotaur,
the Macchi C.202 is a 1941-42 kite, with light armament. Should be used against Hurricanes I-II, Spitfire MkII-V and P40 (in North Africa she performed quite well). This is the main problem of a mixed-era-aircraft arena.
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Quote- "The M16 must not be able to be used in the role it was intended or it is much to easy to kill. Possible 1.03 will help out this "Red Haired Step Child"."
I think with 1.03's introduction of the APC's, the role of the M16 will probably become a lot more important.
I can see base captures now using a frontline of Panzers knocking down field instalations, with a group of M16's in an escort role protecting an APC or two. Should be fun.
...er... to kill them, that is (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Gatt!!
c202 was used till the end of the war!
The problem of the c202 are the incredible inefficient ammo.
I have used the c202 against a lot of fighters in MA and is capable to kill any plane. I remember a series of duels whit a brave and skilled spitIX pilot in MA and i won 90% of the engagements. I disengaged and lived whit 1 kill in a 3 vs 1 in my c202.
The big and incomprensible problem is that u need to fire for about 5 seconds (to be confirmed) before get the kill.
I need to make 4 - 5 pass on a fighter and fire from a short distance to get the kill.
Most of the engagement whit my c202 ends whit 1 kill and 5 assist.
I know that these 12.5 mm are not the same of the german or english, but i sincerely doubt that they cant do damage when u fire from 200y for about 2 sec. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
7.7mm no comment (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) unusefull
Think whit v1.03 F4UC will be "fixed", waiting for the Breda 12.5mm .
Gatt the problem are the ammo not the plane u fight. Try to fly whit that bird and u will discover that things that kill c202 in MA are poor SA and his ammo.
PS: F4UC is a delicate argument: I LOVE F4UC (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) !!
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Originally posted by gatt:
Minotaur,
the Macchi C.202 is a 1941-42 kite, with light armament. Should be used against Hurricanes I-II, Spitfire MkII-V and P40 (in North Africa she performed quite well). This is the main problem of a mixed-era-aircraft arena.
Gatt;
CC and thanks! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I pretty much was wondering how the C.202 was used in the MA. It seems like a "Try it Once and Forget It" plane, because it certainly is not competive nor used much.
Kind of saddens me really, but I am glad that you and a few others are successful in it.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Horsecrap. Sick of hearin it.. "
Hangtime
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The Panzer did so well I decided to look and see WHAT killed it. This is a just a slice of how others faired against it. The Panzer had a total of 4688 deaths.
Panzer vs Panzer was 45% (2116)
F4U-1C vs Panzer was 22% with a K/D of 2.17 (1047/483)
190A-8 vs Panzer was 8% with a K/D of 1.59 (368/231)
Spit IX vs Panzer was 6% with a K/D of 1.01 (295/291)
109G-10 vs Panzer was 4% with a K/D of 1.08 (174/161)
Typhoon vs Panzer was 3% with a K/D of 0.92 (156/170)
P-38L vs Panzer was 3% with a K/D of 0.46 (139/299)
P-51D vs Panzer was 2% with a K/D of 0.44 (74/168)
N1K2 vs Panzer was 1% with a K/D of 0.22 (41/183)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Horsecrap. Sick of hearin it.. "
Hangtime
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The M-16 did not do so well. Another slice of how others faired against it. The M-16 had a total of 4127 deaths. I believe it had a less than one K/D for anything it faced.
F4U-1C vs M-16 was 25% with a K/D of 2.88 (1027/357)
190A-8 vs M-16 was 10% with a K/D of 2.48 (399/161)
Panzer vs M-16 was 9% with a K/D of 33.36 (367/11)
Spit IX vs M-16 was 9% with a K/D of 1.39 (387/279)
P-38L vs M-16 was 8% with a K/D of 1.02 (344/336)
N1K2 vs M-16 was 7% with a K/D of 2.25 (281/125)
P-51D vs M-16 was 5% with a K/D of 1.06 (214/202)
109G-10 vs M-16 was 4% with a K/D of 1.74 (177/102)
Typhoon vs M-16 was 3% with a K/D of 1.50 (141/94)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Horsecrap. Sick of hearin it.. "
Hangtime