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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Löwe on January 30, 2002, 08:35:34 AM
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People who dislike the CT seem to love to label anyone that does like it as a self proclaimed elitest. I for one get tired of this constant BS. In fact not only am I not elite, I am pretty much a dweeb. I don't have great ACM ability, the majority of my kills happen when the guy Im attacking is busy and doesnt see me.
If I have to make more than two manuvers in an engagement I am in big trouble. When I fly in main I am easily overwhelmed in the SA department by the amount of threats, and targets.
No I am not elite, I do however love historical.........."well as historical as you can make them in a game aircraft matchups".
I do prefer flying with people that don't trash talk, and are out to enjoy themselves instead of just ragging everyone they kill on the radio. Theres so much of that in MA it's a huge turn off for me.
Must be my age....... The in your face chest beating, and berating of oppoants is all the rage in everything thing you see now days, where competetion is involved. Lazs, you like to take shots at this arena and those of us who fly it, you like to use the elite tag on us. To be honest I guess we should be honored, a guy of your ability saying thigs like that. Lazs like it or not your ELITE, your one of the masters of this sim, your one of the guys I see do things with these aircraft I can only dream of. Not that it matters to you, but you blow the whole mystique by mouthing off and berating people for flying or prefering CT. You can fly rings around me, and you can probably argue rings around me too, so I am way overmatched in my ability to get through to you. However it's a joke to me that you call people in here ELITEST, nobody thinks their too good for MA, they just like the setup of CT. There are some great pilots that show up in here, Ammo and guys like him, who
have a skill level that I hope to achieve someday. They manage to not only fly well, but also show class.
Thats my idea of ELITE.
:)
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Lazs is the only one that's attached "elite" to the CT, probably because in another thread, we mentioned that icons are reduced, AWACS radar is not as global as it is in the MA, so one's Situational Awareness must be keener than in the MA. It IS a tougher environment to fly in with the radar as it is if you do depend alot on radar.
The pilots I run into in the CT arena are alot better than 50% of the pilots in the MA simply because there are so many newbies in the MA.
Elitist attachment has only been attached by one pilot. The guys in the CT arena tend to be folks that have flown AH for quite some time, though yesterday afternoon I saw a couple of names I hadn't seen before, and they were flying damn good!
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lie to yourself but don't lie to me. The "elitist" attitude is alive and well in the CT. To claim that it takes more skill to fly a limited planeset with small numbers is ludicrous besides.
lazs
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Yep, you need to fly en masse, vulch, auger on your second attempted vulch and proclaim loudly on channel 1 that server lag caused it, re up and repeat to be considered normal in the MA. If you really want to fit in don't forget to use profanity. You wouldn't want your silence to be construed as condescension.
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the CT has the same tards as everywhere else.
F.
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I am not a tard. My mom said I was special.
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Rip,
I think if one were to go through the CT forum with an open mind, one would indeed find a significant number of posts that do in fact characterize the CT and/or CT Flyers as an "elite" environment.
While I don't agree with Laz... at this point in time... there has been some evidence to back up his assertion.
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Toad, most of those posts were probably meant to get folks to come in and try it...I still stand by my comment "MA is a relaxed realism arena due to the AWACS style radar, where you don't have to check 6, just look at your map and find the red dot". This was not a comment or shot at the participants in the MA, but intended to expose the MA up as similiar to RR arena's from other simulations.
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there is nothing more "realistic" about the CT. the skill level required to fly limited planesets against small numbers is less if anything. I allways found the HA in WB to be much easier but boring. I see no real difference here.
If ripsnore basis his whole "relaxed realism" theory on radar or icon use then he will be simply thought of as a buffoon. An "elitest" buffoon if you will.... A simple check of pilots stats that fly in the CT for both CT and MA sorties will show that there are indeed some very low skill people flying in the CT. They are nothing but score padders for some of the better pilots. In other words.... no different than in the MA but..... When you run into low skill pilots in the CT.... They can't get away.. you don't have to watch 6 other planes as you saddle up. It takes less skill, but more time to kill a dweeb in the CT than in the MA.
Better class of people? Maybe.. but I sure see a lot of pouting and hystrionics in here. Bet the percentage works out about the same with the CT probly winning in the "full of themselves" category.
I admit to being mediocre at this flight sim stuff but to see guys that even I can beat easily... guys that have not shown me any particular talent, get in here and brag about how it takes more skill to fly the CT! LOL. some of the best dgfighters I have ever seen are unknowns in the MA.
lazs
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Equating the "dot dar" with the relaxed flight models of other simulations?
Huh? Say What?
The dar in the MA makes it a "Relaxed Realism" arena similar to other simulations where low-fidelity flight models were used in "Relaxed Realism" arenas?
Bad comparison, I think. The MA dar surely is overmodeled for WW2....... however, it has nowhere NEAR the effect that a low-fidelity flight model does on any given arena.
Not buying that comparison Rip.
Nor do I think the posts than anyone can find in this forum that either forthrightly claim elite status or subtly hint at it are talking about the radar settings.
I'm out of here......
we'll see how this arena develops.
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Spitfire vs Spitfire? Oh THAT'S Realims? LOL :)
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Lazs, just curious, why do you attack someones name when they don't agree with you? Enlighten me please.
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LMAO @ Raubie !
Elitis poeple in the CT ? I have never witnessed such a comment while flying in there and you just have to look at my score that I could not afford being one.
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I'm still trying to figure out why lazs spends so much time in this forum if he has no interest in a CT?
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The CT's icons and dar settings are what set it apart.
Even if you enabled all the planes in the CT and had the same numbers, it will still be VERY different from the MA.
Just the fact that icons are short makes the entire dogfight be much better than the MA's... because the BOUNCE is possible, SA is paramount. And you dont get swarmed by others because they dont see your icon until they're close.
This effectively turns a large number of opposing planes in a sector from one HUGE furball into a large number of opposing planes in a sector fighting in many small, separated furballs (biggest ive seen in CT are 20 players from each side in 1 sector, and up to 4 to 6 people MAX in each small furball..).
To say the CT is elitist is moronic. Its just an arena with a set-up that LIMITS the gameplay concessions found in MA (read: dar and icon settings) and encourages historical match ups (planeset).
Imo, the CT is HARDER to fly and fight in because of the icon and radar settings, which makes the pilot with SA have an advantage over the MA pilot that brings the clipboard and gets instant information or sees everything around him up to d6.0 and knows what's going at a glance.
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if "elite" = polite, mature and professional - I agree - CT is full of them.
Very nice not having to squelch 1 for a change ...
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Originally posted by Eagler
if "elite" = polite, mature and professional - I agree - CT is full of them.
Very nice not having to squelch 1 for a change ...
Geez, you guys talk like being an elitist is bad. Me, I WANT to be an elitist. I really have no desire to be just like everyone else.
No one is ever going to mistake the Oldman for a hot pilot. But I'm glad I can fly in a place that attracts hot pilots. I'm bound to learn more that way.
And, as Eagler notes, it's much nicer not to have the foulmouthed children around.
- oldman
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oldman we went up against each other in the stalingrad map. was much fun. You fly fine.
Each of us vet or rookie can learn something about the different plansets in the ct. Especially with those planes that dont get used much.
We are no better or worse then those that like the quick fights of the main.
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Do you know how hard it is to not jump in here and call lazs an idiot?
I am resisting the temptation though.
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Originally posted by Sunchaser
Do you know how hard it is to not jump in here and call lazs an idiot?
I am resisting the temptation though.
Good job! Sometimes, I have to run from the computer, open the door, get out of the house and yell 'WHAT A MORON!!!!' to let out the steam. But yesterday the neighbours called the police so I can't do it anymore now.
I'll have to find something else, or I'll blow a brain vessel soon....
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Lazs is an idiot.
Hmm,
I don't see what was so hard about that?
eskimo
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Hmmm.... diving into a furball and mixing it up vs. finding an enemy, circling each other like sharks and waiting to see who goes for it first, then enjoying a one on one fight that lasts longer than 3 seconds. Yup, I'll take the longer fight anyday! Does this make me elite? NO! It just shows that I would rather get killed in longer engagements than grab a few quick kills in a furball. And I can't wait for lazs to come back on this and say I suck because my stats aren't up to his "standards", because that would expose him as a hypocrite as far as "elitism" is concerned, lol. I simply enjoy a different style of play, that style is available to me in the C/T, so duh... I'll fly in the C/T. That style of play is no better or worse, just different. Hell, I've learned things from other pilots in C/T that I never would have in main. Ask about something in main sometime, at best you're ignored, at worst, you're immediately told to go away and called all sorts of names. Now tell me, would an "elitist" help fellow simjunkies who are having trouble? NO, they would look for them as a target, just like how it happens in main. Hmm...looks like if there is any elitists here, they're hanging out in MAIN, not C/T. Something to think about...
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ripsnore... I believe that my interpretation of peoples handles is simply more descriptive.. right desilly's? Be glad that you hadn't chosen "jihad" I had a good time with his unfortunate choice.
oldman... sorry... the very best pilots in this sim (or any other) will still be found in the MA. Also... if you are not very good and wish to get good then it would be to your advantage to fight in the MA where you can get a lot of combat experiance very rapidly and stretch your SA and acm to the limit.
I admit to being mediocre but... every fur in the MA is different and difficult. They require certain skills. After a steady diet of that It was never any big deal to jump in a low icon HA and forget how 3/4 of the planes FM's worked and only have to worry about how 1-3 planes strenmgths and weaknesses played against my planes. And really...What was so difficult about learning how to run away or attack only from an advantage with no risk?
but as wotan says... the pilots just aren't any better or worse than in the main.
lazs
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easy to say eskimo.... somewhat harder to prove. especially if you're...... an idiot.
lazs
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(rolls eyes) Your mom too?:)
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
I am not a tard. My mom said I was special.
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wildblue... I agree. your stats or mine mean nothing until.... someone with say a 00004 K/T says something like "i have no trouble finding a fight and anyone who does just doesn't know how too" or... someone with a 0.5/1 K/D starts talking about how easy it is to jump into a furball and get a kill or 3 in 3 seconds and then survive. Maybe these guys really can find a fight or dazzle em in a furball but so far they haven't done it.
With those two examples... I certainly wouldn't ask the former about "action" nor, would I ask the later about furballs. I would probly be a little miffed if they pretended to know anything about those things.
lazs
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Wow lazs, I'm impressed... that was actually a very intelligent way of telling me to go screw myself! Like I said, I do what I enjoy, and if that means my stats suck, fine. Also, I was playing with a worn out stick that would be fine one minute, screwed up the next, and then fine again later. Yes, that's my own fault, and I have a new one now, but it does show in my stats. Plus the fact that stats can be very misleading... ask my wingman how many times he died last night vs. how many kills he got. He didn't die once, for 7 kills. But yeah, I suck. The stats prove I have no right to talk about anything to do with AH. Yeah, right.......
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Originally posted by lazs2
ripsnore... I believe that my interpretation of peoples handles is simply more descriptive.. right desilly's? Be glad that you hadn't chosen "jihad" I had a good time with his unfortunate choice.
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CC it shows us how witted you are. Don't worry I had seen your interpretation of my handle. Great.....really great.
Chances are slim that I ever choose Jihad as nickname, so please keep dreaming about what my handle coule have been...
Best bet for my next handle: Lazs_is_a_moron
EDIT: Oops i just saw your stats in the CT because hear! hear! Lazs logged into the CT! (now that I've seen everything, I can die)
Well, let's see: 6 sorties, 5 landed, 1 disco. 21'11'' total time. What were you doing? You couldn't find your butts without your so precious GPS dar?? Because I was there at that time, and the fight was all over the place.
Hey! wait a minute!! All your stats are 0.0000!!!!! I don't want to talk to you anymore. You ain't up to my standards!
Am I elitist? No. I'm just anti-lameness...
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Originally posted by Furious
the CT has the same tards as everywhere else.
F.
LOL Furious, I wish I had said that!:D
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Ahem...I shouldn't post when I'm bug-eyed after a long day, and when net farts ruined a fun evening in the CT (MA suffered from those too btw).
For everybody reading this thread, including Lazs, I apologize for my low-level last posts.
Stats mean nothing for me, and honestly, chances are bigger that Lazs left CT after 20 min due to the bad connections than by boredom. I'm not saying here that he isn't wanted in the CT. Quite the contrary. We will accept his comments, even negative, much more easily when we will see him there.
The 'you-CT-elitists' argument, thrown ad nauseam in every thread lastly, finally pushed the right button on me, and made me burst. Lazs doesn't seem to be bothered by the fact that he is an elitist himself, judging people opinions here on basis of their K/T or kills #. He also seems to be very proud of his skills at this game. But what do those skills mean in real life? Nothing. This is just a computer game. A lot of people here, me included, forget it far too often.
One last thing: Lazs states that CT is easier because, as the planeset is limited, you don't need to know the performances of a high number of possible opponents. Right but....how many C.202 and ki-61 do you see in the MA? How many times are you fighting them in a fully developped dogfight? How many times are you fighting them without being helped by Spits, N1Ks, La7s??
I've found out, thanks to CT, that the Ki-61 is superior to the F4U-1 here, when it is often eaten alive by P51 and other fast planes in MA.
The planeset switches every week btw.
I've tried furballs in MA lastly. I'm certainly no hot rod, and I don't fly the F4U-1D often. I up one, dive into a furball, and rtb with 5 kills (2 of them were proximity kills) 10 min later. Yesterday, before going into the CT, I wanted to talk to a friend in MA. I up a P51, and rtb with 2 kills without much efforts.
My conclusions? Thanks to the high percentage in newbies in furballs, raking kills is actually easier in MA. You don't need much ACMs because a lot of bogeys are fixated on a target and won't try to avoid you, and if you're in trouble you just head towards a group of friendlies...SA is paramount tho, and keeping your speed high is a must. So I'm not sure one will be better at this game if just furballs in MA.
edited for typos
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I don't care about tags. I just care about my fun. CT is fun, really fun for me. Both in terms of immersion, in terms of fights found here, in terms of players' attitude...
Anyone can come here (or there) and tell CT is this or that. Could care less. I trust my own feelings, and in this case they are very easy to follow.
Oh! and never try to follow a drunk-driven Zeke! Hehehehehe ;)
Cheers,
Pepe
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Originally posted by Sunchaser
Do you know how hard it is to not jump in here and call lazs an idiot?
I am resisting the temptation though.
Yeah, I know how hard it is. Then I used the BBS's ignore function for the first time.:D
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thrawn...yeah.. i know it's not hard thrawn especially if you are too stupid to back up your own opinion or debate someone elses. it's pretty easy huh?
desellys... When have i ever claimed to have any particular skill at this game? When have I ever said that I am anything but mediocre? What is wrong with using K/T as a measure of how many fights a person can or does get into? isn't that what the stat is? I don't htink you are paying attention. that is fine but if you are going to make personal attacks then it is in your best interest to get your facts straight. I also contend that the percentage of low skill players is as high or higher in the CT. If you got a five kill sortie in a furball in the MA during prime time then you earned it. I just don't understand why you did so poorly the rest of the time you were in the MA. Perhaps you hadn't discovered the uber 1a? Lags are my biggest fear in the MA.
my connect in the CT was awfull. I never seen another plane. The buffer had a lot of chat but I never seen but 3-4 kills the entire time. I imagine everyones connect was as bad as mine since mine is usyually very good.
lazs
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My connection in the CT is just the opposite. yesterday afternoon I spent about an hour in the CT, absolutely warp free. Steady connect. Went into MA and immediatley started get text lag. About 30 min later I was dumped.
56k modem here.
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Originally posted by lazs2
A simple check of pilots stats that fly in the CT for both CT and MA sorties will show that there are indeed some very low skill people flying in the CT. They are nothing but score padders for some of the better pilots.
I try my hardest Lazs, but these guys are just so much better than I am. :rolleyes:
Can't we all just git along?
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Just just being better make you elitest? Hmmmm
CRASH
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funny thread, resembles some of the ones you read in the "Free Multiplayer Forum" :)