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Title: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Zeagle on June 04, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
Please  :pray
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Bino on June 04, 2012, 02:28:11 PM
Why?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png/220px-Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png)
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: gyrene81 on June 04, 2012, 03:11:16 PM
Why?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png/220px-Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png)
so we can stop dealing with microsoft crap operating systems. and your chart is off a bit. the number of people running various distros of linux is a lot higher than what your chart shows.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Bino on June 04, 2012, 03:35:53 PM
Please don't misunderstand me: I like using Linux.  But I can find no evidence anywhere on the i-net that it has hit even 2% of the desktop market.  (Linux obviously powers a lot of servers.)  If you have different numbers, please share.   :salute
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 04, 2012, 04:03:56 PM
so we can stop dealing with microsoft crap operating systems. and your chart is off a bit. the number of people running various distros of linux is a lot higher than what your chart shows.

Actually depending on the statistics it may be a lot lower, around 0.7%. Linux is used basically everywhere and nowhere. Meaning it runs most of our webservers but practically nobody uses linux as a desktop.

Except exceptions like me (when I'm not on my MBP).
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: gyrene81 on June 04, 2012, 06:46:11 PM
Actually depending on the statistics it may be a lot lower, around 0.7%. Linux is used basically everywhere and nowhere. Meaning it runs most of our webservers but practically nobody uses linux as a desktop.

Except exceptions like me (when I'm not on my MBP).
considering linux users are generally non-conformists who don't have the same habits as windows or mac users, you're estimation could be more off than that wikipedia graph. since there is no registration process or any way to document the total number of active linux systems, rough estimates is all you can get.

not sure how accurate this is since it probably includes servers in enterprise environments but...
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp)

one thing for sure, if new retail games got ported to linux, the usage of linux would seriously increase.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 05, 2012, 12:06:09 AM
considering linux users are generally non-conformists who don't have the same habits as windows or mac users, you're estimation could be more off than that wikipedia graph. since there is no registration process or any way to document the total number of active linux systems, rough estimates is all you can get.

not sure how accurate this is since it probably includes servers in enterprise environments but...
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp)

one thing for sure, if new retail games got ported to linux, the usage of linux would seriously increase.

The 0,7% rating comes from net statistics which bases the information on the OS identification given by web browsers. In that 1,6% servers may well be included - there are typically thousands of desktop pc:s for every server.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on June 05, 2012, 07:35:23 AM
I use Aces High with Linux all the time. Every day.
 :salute
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Bizman on June 05, 2012, 11:30:46 AM
Several dsl modems and routers run on some sort of Linux without the owner being aware of it. Should they be considered as Linux users or not?
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: oboe on June 05, 2012, 12:00:28 PM
I use Aces High with Linux all the time. Every day.
 :salute

You sir, need your own sticky thread in this forum with tutorials, troubleshooting advice, etc.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: hyzer on June 05, 2012, 01:13:08 PM
I am waiting on the day when I can have my nice beefy system running a VMware type OS and download games as an appliance.  Boot up into an optimized Linux configuration running AH.   :devil
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 05, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
I use Aces High with Linux all the time. Every day.
 :salute

How do you get it to run properly? Last time I tried it was 20fps slideshow vs same machine pegged at 59fps on windows. Using fglrx.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: The Fugitive on June 05, 2012, 05:56:06 PM
How do you get it to run properly? Last time I tried it was 20fps slideshow vs same machine pegged at 59fps on windows. Using fglrx.

He didn't say he had it running well!  :noid
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on June 06, 2012, 11:32:00 AM
How do you get it to run properly? Last time I tried it was 20fps slideshow vs same machine pegged at 59fps on windows. Using fglrx.


There are a lot of variables, but LINUX and Wine have recently advanced to the point where it's practical, even on tired, old, marginal hardware.  Today, for some testing, I used an old laptop computer that I bought, used, for U.S. $275.00 about 4 months ago. It's a Lenovo T61 "Thinkpad" with nVidia Quadro NVS 140m video graphics and a 2.4Ghz Core 2 duo Intel processor and 2GB of RAM. (I always use nVidia graphics with Linux.) That's not a lot of computer for today's Aces High, whether using Windoze or Linux.

I used the current version of PcLinuxOS, updated to the latest version of the "Wine" windows emulator (V1.4-1).

I installed "Wine" directly from the PcLinuxOs repository, more-or-less as described in this (slightly outdated) tutorial:

http://www.askmisterwizard.com/LINUX/PcLinuxOs2008Minime/SwitchingToPcLinuxOs2008Page04Full.htm

Installation of Aces High was absolutely routine; I ran "wine" at its defaults with no special tweaks at all.

I ran at 1024x768 resolution, with 1024 textures. For my first set of testing I was using the well-known "ndisles" terrain, which displays an attractive overcast of clouds.

My favorite old version of Aces High is Version 2.12.4. I like that version because it supports LAN "H2H" mode which I use in my home when visited by my grandsons. It's also the best version for offline missions, because the "bots" fly more aggressive, more inspired combat. Using that version, I get framerates between 30 and 60 FPS with the graphic set at mid-range and with Ground Detail Range maxed out. The framerate always maxes out at 59 or 60 whenever I climb above 4,000 feet or so. The general feeling is "bright", lightweight, smooth, and responsive.

With the current version of Aces High (V2.27.6) that same machine yields framerates between 29 and 55, only if I diminish graphic detail (Object Detail and Ground Detail Range) all the way down. I have to disable all of the following: Detailed Water, Detailed Terrain, Object Self Shadow, Shadow on Others, Buildings Cast Shadows, Bump Map Buildings, Bump Map My Vehicle or Plane, Bump Map Others Vehicle or Plane. Sitting in the tower at ndisles, I am getting 29 to 32 FPS, depending on the position of the offline bot "drones" flying within view. While flying with graphics diminished to that level, the framerates never dip down to a level that compromises game play or the feeling of flight. It just barely manages to stay above the levels at which I begin to worry, even down very low over airfields with several other nearby aircraft. Combat above 5000 feet is perfectly smooth, with framerates maxed out at 59 or 60.

Using a different terrain that doesn't have any clouds, those framerates increase by about 15%.

The most advanced thing I've done is a recent development. It required a lot of study and patience, but I've managed to create a "Boot DVD" (and also, most recently, a "Boot Flash thumb drive") that will bootstrap almost any modern computer to a version of LINUX that fully supports Aces High 1, Aces High 2, YsFlight, and TeamSpeak. It's very cool, and I carry those tools with me all the time so I can easily evaluate any used computers I'm tempted to buy.

Anyway, I hope this information helps others that want to migrate to Linux. It's a great adventure. In general, I find LINUX far easier to understand, install, and support than Microsoft Windows. The performance of Aces High II yields, perhaps, 60% to 70% of the framerate I would be getting with a native Windows environment. In my experience, almost any PC or laptop built during the past 4 or 5 years has adequate power if equipped with nVidia graphics. According to the PcLinuxOs documentation, this should also work with ATi graphics, but I've found those graphics cards are a lot harder to get working reliably with Linux.
 :salute



Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 06, 2012, 01:47:56 PM

There are a lot of variables, but LINUX and Wine have recently advanced to the point where it's practical, even on tired, old, marginal hardware.  Today, for some testing, I used an old laptop computer that I bought, used, for U.S. $275.00 about 4 months ago. It's a Lenovo T61 "Thinkpad" with nVidia Quadro NVS 140m video graphics and a 2.4Ghz Core 2 duo Intel processor and 2GB of RAM. (I always use nVidia graphics with Linux.) That's not a lot of computer for today's Aces High, whether using Windoze or Linux.

I used the current version of PcLinuxOS, updated to the latest version of the "Wine" windows emulator (V1.4-1).

I installed "Wine" directly from the PcLinuxOs repository, more-or-less as described in this (slightly outdated) tutorial:

http://www.askmisterwizard.com/LINUX/PcLinuxOs2008Minime/SwitchingToPcLinuxOs2008Page04Full.htm

Installation of Aces High was absolutely routine; I ran "wine" at its defaults with no special tweaks at all.

I ran at 1024x768 resolution, with 1024 textures. For my first set of testing I was using the well-known "ndisles" terrain, which displays an attractive overcast of clouds.

My favorite old version of Aces High is Version 2.12.4. I like that version because it supports LAN "H2H" mode which I use in my home when visited by my grandsons. It's also the best version for offline missions, because the "bots" fly more aggressive, more inspired combat. Using that version, I get framerates between 30 and 60 FPS with the graphic set at mid-range and with Ground Detail Range maxed out. The framerate always maxes out at 59 or 60 whenever I climb above 4,000 feet or so. The general feeling is "bright", lightweight, smooth, and responsive.

With the current version of Aces High (V2.27.6) that same machine yields framerates between 29 and 55, only if I diminish graphic detail (Object Detail and Ground Detail Range) all the way down. I have to disable all of the following: Detailed Water, Detailed Terrain, Object Self Shadow, Shadow on Others, Buildings Cast Shadows, Bump Map Buildings, Bump Map My Vehicle or Plane, Bump Map Others Vehicle or Plane. Sitting in the tower at ndisles, I am getting 29 to 32 FPS, depending on the position of the offline bot "drones" flying within view. While flying with graphics diminished to that level, the framerates never dip down to a level that compromises game play or the feeling of flight. It just barely manages to stay above the levels at which I begin to worry, even down very low over airfields with several other nearby aircraft. Combat above 5000 feet is perfectly smooth, with framerates maxed out at 59 or 60.

Using a different terrain that doesn't have any clouds, those framerates increase by about 15%.

The most advanced thing I've done is a recent development. It required a lot of study and patience, but I've managed to create a "Boot DVD" (and also, most recently, a "Boot Flash thumb drive") that will bootstrap almost any modern computer to a version of LINUX that fully supports Aces High 1, Aces High 2, YsFlight, and TeamSpeak. It's very cool, and I carry those tools with me all the time so I can easily evaluate any used computers I'm tempted to buy.

Anyway, I hope this information helps others that want to migrate to Linux. It's a great adventure. In general, I find LINUX far easier to understand, install, and support than Microsoft Windows. The performance of Aces High II yields, perhaps, 60% to 70% of the framerate I would be getting with a native Windows environment. In my experience, almost any PC or laptop built during the past 4 or 5 years has adequate power if equipped with nVidia graphics. According to the PcLinuxOs documentation, this should also work with ATi graphics, but I've found those graphics cards are a lot harder to get working reliably with Linux.
 :salute





Thanks, I've been using linux for years now but haven't ever been able to reproduce the stories about gaming performance. Must be because I use ATI cards and nvidia is the only one working properly on linux. Or then the stories need to be taken with a grain of salt :)

I ran AH2 latest version with default settings 1680x1050 with C2D 2,2Ghz + Radeon 4850 - this produced a very choppy and glitchy image quality and bad stutter every time you press fire. Same machine runs AH2 with Windows 8 consumer preview absolutely smooth and flawlessly.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Skuzzy on June 06, 2012, 01:52:49 PM
ATI/AMD video cards do not work nearly as well as NVidia cards with Linux.  NVidia kicks ATI/AMD's tush in drivers for Linux.  It really is a significant difference.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on June 08, 2012, 08:26:56 AM
Oh. I thought of one other detail that should be considered by anybody wanting to switch to Linux with Aces High: When the free "Wine" windows emulator handles Aces High game sounds, it does NOT handle doppler effects. To me, this is not a big deal, but it might be a nuisance for some folks.
 :salute
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: 633DH98 on June 09, 2012, 05:18:28 AM
bbosen,

Any chance of finding an .iso of your boot DVD somewhere online for download now or in the future?
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Warmongo on June 11, 2012, 01:55:24 PM
bbosen,

Any chance of finding an .iso of your boot DVD somewhere online for download now or in the future?

Usually the .iso or flash drive boot is created using the hardware for the computer were it is created unless you download the generic then put your drivers in.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on June 11, 2012, 07:13:14 PM
bbosen,

Any chance of finding an .iso of your boot DVD somewhere online for download now or in the future?

Let me think about that a bit....  I don't want to create a support nightmare for myself.


....I did make it as generic as possible, with all of the standard video drivers included, etc. So it should work with most modern machines (made during the last 4 years or so). This includes machines with ATi graphics hardware, but I worry about those becuase I've found them very difficult to support.

Does the machine you want to use have nVidia graphics hardware?
 :salute
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: 633DH98 on June 18, 2012, 06:18:44 PM
The machines I have are nVidia.  I've been experimenting with various distros and DEs and X-Plane which is available in Linux.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on June 21, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
OK. I will push the iso up to a prominent area of my web site within the next few days. I hope it works well for anybody that wants it.
 :salute
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: 633DH98 on June 24, 2012, 07:48:40 PM
Should I look here or at your signature site for its location?
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on June 25, 2012, 01:21:29 PM
When it's ready, it will be obvious from my "signature site". I'll need a few days.
 :salute
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Mustaine on June 27, 2012, 07:32:27 PM
ATI/AMD video cards do not work nearly as well as NVidia cards with Linux.  NVidia kicks ATI/AMD's tush in drivers for Linux.  It really is a significant difference.
Which is kind of funny to me... Running Ubuntu 11.10 with Nvidia driver version173 on my built in car with the laptop. I run 1920x1200 and it looks beautiful, but wow graphics and CPU take a hit running anything multi-media. I have some "older" video card and it doesn't have a valid driver. I've read this particular card isn't really supported... I'm guessing because of the laptop and all that.

No biggie, I know newer Nvidia cards are much better, but these older ones not so much.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 28, 2012, 12:05:03 AM
Which is kind of funny to me... Running Ubuntu 11.10 with Nvidia driver version173 on my built in car with the laptop. I run 1920x1200 and it looks beautiful, but wow graphics and CPU take a hit running anything multi-media. I have some "older" video card and it doesn't have a valid driver. I've read this particular card isn't really supported... I'm guessing because of the laptop and all that.

No biggie, I know newer Nvidia cards are much better, but these older ones not so much.


Did you enable the closed source Intel graphics driver in Ubuntu? Without that your performance is going to be about 25% of what it should. The open source version of the Intel driver sucks. Linus Torvalds actually told Intel to go fondle themselves with a courtious middle finger recently in an interview because Intel doesn't support the open drivers at all. But they do have the best closed driver around.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Skuzzy on June 28, 2012, 06:21:07 AM
Did you enable the closed source Intel graphics driver in Ubuntu? Without that your performance is going to be about 25% of what it should. The open source version of the Intel driver sucks. Linus Torvalds actually told Intel to go fondle themselves with a courtious middle finger recently in an interview because Intel doesn't support the open drivers at all. But they do have the best closed driver around.

I know Linus said that to NVidia (along with the finger) as part of a presentation at a recent trade show.  I was not aware of him saying that to Intel as well.  

There is no official support for the Linux drivers from NVidia.  A couple of the NVidia engineers do it on their own, and they are not going to release source code as they would get fired for doing so.  Even with that, NVidia does a better job with the drivers than AMD/ATI does.  Given AMD/ATI officially supports Linux, it is really quite comical.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 28, 2012, 06:35:27 AM
I know Linus said that to NVidia (along with the finger) as part of a presentation at a recent trade show.  I was not aware of him saying that to Intel as well.  

There is no official support for the Linux drivers from NVidia.  A couple of the NVidia engineers do it on their own, and they are not going to release source code as they would get fired for doing so.  Even with that, NVidia does a better job with the drivers than AMD/ATI does.  Given AMD/ATI officially supports Linux, it is really quite comical.

Sorry typo, I meant Nvidia obviously. Was thinking nvidia, wrote intel.. <-- laughs at himself.  :lol
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: RTHolmes on June 28, 2012, 07:10:13 AM
Why?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png/220px-Wikimedia_OS_share_pie_chart.png)


The chart shows *nix based OSes are >10%, which is a significat market share. disappointing that everyone reads this chart as 1.7% :(
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on June 28, 2012, 07:22:56 AM
The chart shows *nix based OSes are >10%, which is a significat market share. disappointing that everyone reads this chart as 1.7% :(

Desktop linuxes cover closer to 1%. Servers, OSX and Android cover most of the *nix user base.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on July 03, 2012, 10:56:46 AM
Sorry this is taking so long. I've got the .iso built and tested. It's a little over 1GB in size. I'm uploading it to my ftp site, but it's taking so long I'm getting a lot of timeouts. May need to do it late at night.
 :salute
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on July 09, 2012, 02:41:00 PM
Well.....  :frown: I'm still struggling to upload the big .iso file. It always aborts after 190 Megabytes. I'll need to go for tech support from my hosting provider. Maybe they can advise me about some better tool than standard ftp. I hope to have this visible in a prominent location of my site at some point, but I don't know when I'll lick this problem. Sorry for the delay.
 :salute
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Zeagle on July 19, 2012, 07:01:54 PM
Well the ONLY reason i  boot windoze is to fly AH. (Recent information on win 8 is worrisome at best. Iwill never use win 8. )But being an amateur c/opengl programmer i can see where it would take some effort. All the computers in the zeagle household run linux.

I have entertained thoughts of writing my own sim for linux after i retire next year. Who knows...
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Skuzzy on July 20, 2012, 06:33:31 AM
I will be recommending everyone stay away from Windows 8.  Do not do it.  Please, for the sake of your own sanity, and ours, do not do it.  If you have a sadistic and/or masochistic streak in you which you have to satisfy, then try taking a hammer and hitting something.  It would probably be more satisfying than using Windows 8.

Matter of fact, I strongly recommend, those of you (includes me) who are still running Windows XP, consider getting a copy of Windows 7, before it is no longer available (sometime in October) so you can have an upgrade path when you decide you no longer have a choice to to upgrade.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Zeagle on July 21, 2012, 12:54:29 PM
Easy there Skuzzy, this sounds like your making the case for a linux port    :devil
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Skuzzy on July 22, 2012, 06:36:45 AM
Easy there Skuzzy, this sounds like your making the case for a linux port    :devil

That is not going to happen.  Again, if the Linux distros would, collectively, support one API for graphics, sounds, and inputs, it would stand a chance of being "possible" to do.  If ATI and NVidia would actually get behind it, then it might help.  NVidia has two programmers doing the drivers, and they do it on their own dime.

Linux lacks support from too many players, in order for it to be a viable platform for game development.  Currently, developers have to pick one distro from an already very small percentage of the market to support.  Makes no business sense at all.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Zeagle on July 22, 2012, 07:45:36 AM
Nuff said. Its your sandbox.

The thing about Linux is that you CAN change the world because you DO have access to the source code.

It was worth asking the question. You can kill this thread sir.   :salute
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Skuzzy on July 22, 2012, 08:41:50 AM
Nuff said. Its your sandbox.

The thing about Linux is that you CAN change the world because you DO have access to the source code.

It was worth asking the question. You can kill this thread sir.   :salute

As long as there are hundreds of desperate versions of Linux in the market, it does not matter.  That fractured market is one of many things preventing Linux from being a main stream desktop solution.

By the way, I happen to like Linux a lot.  I use it for my firewall, media serving, and file server on my LAN.  It cannot be used as my desktop due to the lack of applications I need, for the things I do at home.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Skuzzy on July 26, 2012, 08:59:22 AM
I will be recommending everyone stay away from Windows 8.  Do not do it.  Please, for the sake of your own sanity, and ours, do not do it.  If you have a sadistic and/or masochistic streak in you which you have to satisfy, then try taking a hammer and hitting something.  It would probably be more satisfying than using Windows 8.

Matter of fact, I strongly recommend, those of you (includes me) who are still running Windows XP, consider getting a copy of Windows 7, before it is no longer available (sometime in October) so you can have an upgrade path when you decide you no longer have a choice to to upgrade.

By the way, for those of you who think I am some type of drama king.  Gabe Newell (Valve, the Steam King) came out and said, "Windows 8 is a catastrophe." in a recent interview.  They (Valve) are actually looking to get behind Linux in a big way.  Looks like they are using Ubuntu as their platform of choice.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MaSonZ on July 26, 2012, 09:23:21 AM
not to change the subject of the thread...and I'm contemplating opening a new thread for it, probably a better idea..but here goes.

Skuzzy, I do not know much (actually safer to say nothing) about W8. Why is it you and many others are against? I've heard rumors Microsoft has some sort of Control over your machine if you install 8, then again I have also heard this is not true. I have heard from a couple people who got the Beta its a catastrophe, then I've heard just the opposite, its better then 7. For me, from what I've seen, it is too much like the Windows Phone. I am asking you this question, as you seem to be the one in the know with 8.  :salute

back on topic- I have a copy of Linux, have not installed it yet, but thinking about it. Never played with it. Anything I should be aware of (other then the well known fact you can alter your copy and distribute your new modified copy)?
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Zeagle on July 26, 2012, 09:45:39 AM
By the way, for those of you who think I am some type of drama king.  Gabe Newell (Valve, the Steam King) came out and said, "Windows 8 is a catastrophe." in a recent interview.  They (Valve) are actually looking to get behind Linux in a big way.  Looks like they are using Ubuntu as their platform of choice.

Just logged on to tell you that very thing....lol
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Skuzzy on July 26, 2012, 04:33:35 PM
Just logged on to tell you that very thing....lol

Contrary to popular belief, I do keep up with technology.  Just because I do not care for 'smart' phones, and do not text at all (even have it blocked on inbound too), and have my computer locked down tighter than a submarine cruising under the ice, does not mean I do not keep up with tech.

Mason, it is easier to say there is nothing about Windows 8 I like, than to write the fifty page white paper on what is wrong with it.  Seems the only people who think it is a good thing is Microsoft and those who think Microsoft can do no wrong.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MaSonZ on July 26, 2012, 07:44:34 PM
Gotcha Skuzzy, thanks!
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Zeagle on July 27, 2012, 09:10:22 AM
Contrary to popular belief, I do keep up with technology.  Just because I do not care for 'smart' phones, and do not text at all (even have it blocked on inbound too), and have my computer locked down tighter than a submarine cruising under the ice, does not mean I do not keep up with tech.

My girlfriend would say that describes me...lol. A colleague at work said that I am the only guy he knows who can write the software to make technology work, but never actually use it myself...
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on August 05, 2012, 04:52:26 AM
By the way, for those of you who think I am some type of drama king.  Gabe Newell (Valve, the Steam King) came out and said, "Windows 8 is a catastrophe." in a recent interview.  

To Valve and other distributors Win8 is indeed a catastrophe with it's windows live marketplace which sticks built-in competition to Steam. It has nothing to do with Win8 internals per se. That's why Newell and other game distributors are dead bolted to trash Win8 - Microsoft is making an agressive move that will in theory make Steam and other similar tools unnecessary. Valve is reaping billions of turnover selling stuff over Steam so naturally any CEO would be panicing to have a competing product preinstalled to every new PC and have their own product as manual download OPTION :)

Newell is pressing Linux as a direct response hit to Microsoft - essentially endorsing linux is exactly to Microsoft what MS is doing to Valve by including MS live shop to Win8. Personally I wouldn't have any problems with migrating to linux also for games. In fact I installed linux to several people this summer who came to ask me to disinfect their windows boxes. I gave them a real clean sweep of windows viruses :D
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Skuzzy on August 05, 2012, 06:36:53 AM
John Carmack, from ID, has also stated Windows 8 is a mistake.

Windows 8, just say no.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on August 05, 2012, 11:25:56 AM
John Carmack, from ID, has also stated Windows 8 is a mistake.

Windows 8, just say no.

Of course, Win8 is heading in the direction of a closed ecosystem where software distribution can be done only through MS code signing and/or live marketplace. This means a 30% cut of software sales to Microsoft. MS already took steps even to create "safe" (read monomopolistic) boot which removes any chance for end users to install competing operating systems like linux to "certified" i.e. Microsoft locked hardware. Too bad linux is not more known - people would see through the bs and realize they don't need MS code signing or locked hardware to run a safe system. Just BSD or linux.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Zeagle on August 16, 2012, 09:03:16 AM
I run web and file servers for my girl's office on a headless Ubuntu server (ssh and sftp only). At home I run Ubuntu desktop on her machine and mine, although I do use other distros (not too excited about the zeitgeist part of Ubuntu although I do like Unity for now). The Ubuntu system is solid. Actually, the only reason she boots Windows is because some websites she uses for business require IE. We haven't tried IE on wine yet. So I don't know if she could use it that way.

But, Ubuntu has some downsides. Zeitgeist for one (wth?). And the desktop, although easy to use at present, is rapidly turning into a "tablet for 3 year olds" kind of thing. Depending on which desktop you choose, it could be quite bloated. In Ubuntu's defense though, you DO have a choice of desktops. So..Ubuntu is still my distro of choice. However, Debian is my fallback distro. Been looking at Fedora as well.


Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: Skuzzy on August 16, 2012, 11:20:51 AM
I use Slackware at home, as it is the most Unix like version of Linux I have found, and I do not need a GUI.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on August 16, 2012, 11:25:58 AM
I run web and file servers for my girl's office on a headless Ubuntu server (ssh and sftp only). At home I run Ubuntu desktop on her machine and mine, although I do use other distros (not too excited about the zeitgeist part of Ubuntu although I do like Unity for now). The Ubuntu system is solid. Actually, the only reason she boots Windows is because some websites she uses for business require IE. We haven't tried IE on wine yet. So I don't know if she could use it that way.

But, Ubuntu has some downsides. Zeitgeist for one (wth?). And the desktop, although easy to use at present, is rapidly turning into a "tablet for 3 year olds" kind of thing. Depending on which desktop you choose, it could be quite bloated. In Ubuntu's defense though, you DO have a choice of desktops. So..Ubuntu is still my distro of choice. However, Debian is my fallback distro. Been looking at Fedora as well.




Just install cinnamon desktop. Unity sucks.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: 633DH98 on August 22, 2012, 08:34:58 AM
Since the arrival of Unity and Gnome3 I've switched to Xubuntu and Lubuntu and login to Openbox when I want minimal desktop.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on September 11, 2012, 04:01:52 PM
Well.....  :frown: I'm still struggling to upload the big .iso file. It always aborts after 190 Megabytes. I'll need to go for tech support from my hosting provider. Maybe they can advise me about some better tool than standard ftp. I hope to have this visible in a prominent location of my site at some point, but I don't know when I'll lick this problem. Sorry for the delay.
 :salute

This is old news, but I'm the guy that wrote "I run Aces High with LINUX every day". I had hoped by now to publish the .iso file that duplicates my setup for use by others, but I'm still suffering from upload problems.

Since I have not yet solved my ISO uploading problem, I decided to take another approach for those interested in this subject. I've published detailed instructions showing exactly how I build Linux machines for Aces High. It takes me about 2 hours to make one of these (I have 6 machines like this right now, all running on Intel core 2 duo or similar processors with nVidia graphics).

Here's the link:

http://askmisterwizard.com/LINUX/LinuxTheEasyWay2012/LinuxTheEasyWayPage01Full.htm

There are five pages of instructions in this series. The stuff that is specific to Aces High commences on Page 4 of 5. Here's that link:
http://askmisterwizard.com/LINUX/LinuxTheEasyWay2012/LinuxTheEasyWayPage04Full.htm

I find that these systems deliver about 60% to 70% of the performance (frame rate) that I would otherwise get running Microsoft Windows XP. For me, in real life, this means that most situations can be tuned to deliver smooth flight at or near my video refresh rate of 60 FPS, but I can't turn on all of the "eye candy".

There are a couple of other compromises: Doppler sound effects don't work. I can hear Aces High voice, but I haven't had success with transmitting my own voice. I haven't worked very hard to overcome that, since I generally use TeamSpeak audio.
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Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on September 11, 2012, 05:03:07 PM
This is old news, but I'm the guy that wrote "I run Aces High with LINUX every day". I had hoped by now to publish the .iso file that duplicates my setup for use by others, but I'm still suffering from upload problems.

Since I have not yet solved my ISO uploading problem, I decided to take another approach for those interested in this subject. I've published detailed instructions showing exactly how I build Linux machines for Aces High. It takes me about 2 hours to make one of these (I have 6 machines like this right now, all running on Intel core 2 duo or similar processors with nVidia graphics).

Here's the link:

http://askmisterwizard.com/LINUX/LinuxTheEasyWay2012/LinuxTheEasyWayPage01Full.htm

There are five pages of instructions in this series. The stuff that is specific to Aces High commences on Page 4 of 5. Here's that link:
http://askmisterwizard.com/LINUX/LinuxTheEasyWay2012/LinuxTheEasyWayPage04Full.htm

I find that these systems deliver about 60% to 70% of the performance (frame rate) that I would otherwise get running Microsoft Windows XP. For me, in real life, this means that most situations can be tuned to deliver smooth flight at or near my video refresh rate of 60 FPS, but I can't turn on all of the "eye candy".

There are a couple of other compromises: Doppler sound effects don't work. I can hear Aces High voice, but I haven't had success with transmitting my own voice. I haven't worked very hard to overcome that, since I generally use TeamSpeak audio.
 :salute

Your videos are a good example of getting it to work. However you didn't give any clues for what to do if your joystick wouldn't get automatically discovered for example :) Things tend to be very simple and easy on linux when they work. And when they don't work, it's time to start digging manual configuration files and hacks.
Title: Re: Linux port of Aces High
Post by: bbosen on September 11, 2012, 07:48:26 PM
Correct.

I suppose I should make my enthusiasm for the current generation of Linux more clear: In my recent experience on a dozen or more computers of the type I have described, PcLinuxOS has ALWAYS worked. It hasn't been like the "bad old days" for me, in my limited experience.

I remember VERY WELL the bad old days when I had to diddle with /dev/js0 or load special applications to experiment with a joystick. I also remember when my special joystick configuration program "qjoypad" used 50% of my CPU cycles. Fortunately those days seem to be behind me.
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