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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: -ammo- on May 31, 2013, 10:11:53 AM
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I have a buddy that has one of these and he swears by it. Anyone here have one that can offer testimony pertinent to AH?
That kind of resolution at less than $400 seems like a decent deal. However the response time is only 6 ms.
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I'd like to know too, Ammo as I'm also in the market for a good 27" 2560 x 1440 x 60 monitor as well since I got this Titan vid card.
I saw 1 at Newegg that caught my eye but it isn't mainstream.......DoubleSight is the brand name:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824185060
Lists for under $700 at the moment......................h as all the current connection capabilities (D-sub, DVI, HDMI & DP), is backlit, w/ built-in speakers (ain't giving up my Klipsch THX 2.1 set up though) & is IPS panel w/ 6ms response time. Looks like it could be a good deal......................... .........
I was looking at the 30" & up stuff until I got to looking at my desk & realized that a 30" would be too big for it so I backed off the 1600p thinking to stay w/ the 27" stuff which keeps it at 1440p.
Already got the wife's upgrade package pretty much picked out (already got a copy of Win7 HP SP1, Antec 300 case, Thermaltake 700w PSU & 2 WD Cavier Black 500Gb SATA III HDD's at home) on Newegg (CPU, mobo, mem, DVD & "monitor").
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don't be fooled by the response time Ammo. nearly all response times are listed for grey to grey, not black to color, nor does it have anything to do with input lag. not really finding a lot to be overjoyed about with the yamakasi brand. looks to rumored to be a less than "a grade" apple cinema panel.
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I must admit the resolution is nice and doesn't decrease frame rates too much even with a moderate graphics card. Speaking about refresh rates, I haven't noticed any shadowing or ghost images on any flat screen I've been using for AH. If they say it's 6 ms, it probably is short enough for gaming by any measure. Input lag would be a more interesting reading, but for some reason they don't tell that. The best way to tell if you'd like that one or not would be to connect both that and your current monitor side by side in clone mode to see if one or another lags behind or otherwise either one is superior to the the other. I don't know if the German vendors allow you to return an opened package, but lend the one from your buddy for testing. I bet he might be interested in the results, too.
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I must admit the resolution is nice and doesn't decrease frame rates too much even with a moderate graphics card. Speaking about refresh rates, I haven't noticed any shadowing or ghost images on any flat screen I've been using for AH. If they say it's 6 ms, it probably is short enough for gaming by any measure. Input lag would be a more interesting reading, but for some reason they don't tell that. The best way to tell if you'd like that one or not would be to connect both that and your current monitor side by side in clone mode to see if one or another lags behind or otherwise either one is superior to the the other. I don't know if the German vendors allow you to return an opened package, but lend the one from your buddy for testing. I bet he might be interested in the results, too.
Prad.de is one of the best information sources for monitors, they also test input lag. Input lag and refresh values are not so much of an issue with AH but become big deals when you play first person shooters.
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What do you mean not a issue in AH?
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zack likes hardware and software :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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What do you mean not a issue in AH?
When you play AH you don't need to make very quick turns like in first person shooters. Therefore AH is not so sensitive to input lag or even refresh delays. The faster the movement is required, the more sensitive the monitor is to these problems.
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zack likes hardware and software :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Cheers Ripley :)
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I have a QNIX pls 1440p OCed at 120hz Korean monitor..And playing games at 120hz on a 1440 monitor is amazing..There is less input lag due to only 1 DVI input..And i got it for $317 shipped to me in 3 days from Korea..If you guys want one you better hurry cause once the sellers know we can OC these then they will raise the prices like the did on the Catleap..Here is a review..I would never play at 60hz or 1080p again..
http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monitor-reviews-discussion/13500-qnix-qx2710-review-2560x1440-matte-overclock-able-pls.html (http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monitor-reviews-discussion/13500-qnix-qx2710-review-2560x1440-matte-overclock-able-pls.html)
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This is the one that I've had my eye on for a bit now:
http://www.costco.com/Dell-UltraSharp%E2%84%A2-27%22-LED-Monitor-%5B2560-x-1440%5D.product.100019086.html
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This is the one that I've had my eye on for a bit now:
http://www.costco.com/Dell-UltraSharp%E2%84%A2-27%22-LED-Monitor-%5B2560-x-1440%5D.product.100019086.html
Either that model or the 2713H has an anti-glare coating which people comment poorly about. I was looking at those models as well, in addition to a 2711.
However, I think I'll end up going with this one, based upon reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VP2770-LED-27-Inch-2560x1440-DisplayPort/dp/B00906HNZU
Regarding the OP, I believe that brand and other Korean brands are using the panels that the major companies didn't pick up, so there's more of a chance of a dead pixel, and depending on where it's purchased, there might be a minimum dead pixel count before they do a replacement.
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Either that model or the 2713H has an anti-glare coating which people comment poorly about. I was looking at those models as well, in addition to a 2711.
However, I think I'll end up going with this one, based upon reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VP2770-LED-27-Inch-2560x1440-DisplayPort/dp/B00906HNZU
Regarding the OP, I believe that brand and other Korean brands are using the panels that the major companies didn't pick up, so there's more of a chance of a dead pixel, and depending on where it's purchased, there might be a minimum dead pixel count before they do a replacement.
The viewsonic has the lowest input lag and lowest ghosting of any pls panel..Now the Korean monitors are defiantly a risk but i went for it and got a perfect panel with zero dead or bright pixels and very tiny BLB..And playing at 1440p at 120hz is the most amazing experience i have had playing PC games.. :rock
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Either that model or the 2713H has an anti-glare coating which people comment poorly about. I was looking at those models as well, in addition to a 2711.
However, I think I'll end up going with this one, based upon reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VP2770-LED-27-Inch-2560x1440-DisplayPort/dp/B00906HNZU
Regarding the OP, I believe that brand and other Korean brands are using the panels that the major companies didn't pick up, so there's more of a chance of a dead pixel, and depending on where it's purchased, there might be a minimum dead pixel count before they do a replacement.
Thanks for the link to that one. I have two Viewsconics right now, but the 23" has always suffered burn in and later started taking 5 minutes for the display to come on. The 19" backup screen is what I am using until I can afford to replace it.
Have you had any such problems on the 27"?
EDIT:
Right now I think I am looking at the Viewsconic 27" instead of the Dell. Amazon's $669.99 price is also very tempting.
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I don't own it yet, Karnak, so I can't comment on it. I'm getting tempted to pull the trigger though.
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I don't own it yet, Karnak, so I can't comment on it. I'm getting tempted to pull the trigger though.
Given the reviews on Amazon I doubt it has burn in issues.
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Given the reviews on Amazon I doubt it has burn in issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD5MDUKBXig
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Just as soon as 6-18-13 gets here (my CC will be paid & next month's statement amount will be set......low :D) I'm gonna spring for the DoubleSight monitor that I posted a link for earlier...................... ..........
I'll post back w/ the results when it comes in & I get it all hooked up/set up...............
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That double site monitor look pricey for what you get..Why not get a monoprice monitor?It is cheaper and guaranteed perfect..I had one and i loved it.But i sent it back cause my Qnix i got is perfect and it OCes to 120hz...
The one you are looking at is not a good deal at all..Trust me i have been looking at 1440p monitors for 6 months everyday..
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?p_id=10489&seq=1&format=2
The doublesite is basically the same as this from microcenter..
http://microcenter.com/product/384780/EQ276W_27-Inch_IPS_LED_Monitor,_WQHD_2560x1440,_HDMI,_DVI-D,_DisplayPort,_USB
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I don't own it yet, Karnak, so I can't comment on it. I'm getting tempted to pull the trigger though.
I ordered the Viewsonic this weekend - should be at the house NLT Friday. I'm excited! I find myself squinting and an overall struggle to play AH with my cheap ASUS 23".
Review forthcoming.
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I ordered the Viewsonic this weekend - should be at the house NLT Friday. I'm excited! I find myself squinting and an overall struggle to play AH with my cheap ASUS 23".
Review forthcoming.
Ammo,
Did you receive the monitor yet, and if so, what are your thoughts?
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Ammo,
Did you receive the monitor yet, and if so, what are your thoughts?
Yes I did and I never knew what I was missing! The 2560x1440 WQHD is just amazing! Double the resolution of 720.
AH is beautiful with this monitor. The response time is enough and it is capable of 75 hertz refresh rate, although I run it at 60. The 27 inches of real estate makes this monitor a tad big for my smallish computer desk, but its worth it.
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Yes I did and I never knew what I was missing! The 2560x1440 WQHD is just amazing! Double the resolution of 720.
AH is beautiful with this monitor. The response time is enough and it is capable of 75 hertz refresh rate, although I run it at 60. The 27 inches of real estate makes this monitor a tad big for my smallish computer desk, but its worth it.
Actually its almost 4 times the resolution..720p 1 million pixels 1440p 3.6 million..
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Yes I did and I never knew what I was missing! The 2560x1440 WQHD is just amazing! Double the resolution of 720.
AH is beautiful with this monitor. The response time is enough and it is capable of 75 hertz refresh rate, although I run it at 60. The 27 inches of real estate makes this monitor a tad big for my smallish computer desk, but its worth it.
What about your framerates? I guess you had a pretty beefy graphics card.
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Yes I did and I never knew what I was missing! The 2560x1440 WQHD is just amazing! Double the resolution of 720.
AH is beautiful with this monitor. The response time is enough and it is capable of 75 hertz refresh rate, although I run it at 60. The 27 inches of real estate makes this monitor a tad big for my smallish computer desk, but its worth it.
So you were able to OC it to 75hz?
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What about your framerates? I guess you had a pretty beefy graphics card.
Real good question. Prior to plugging the new monitor in, I was running 1600x1080, and my frame rates were running high 60s and would drop to 40s in furballs. My video card, ATI 6950, did well and was not over clocked. Since installing the new monitor, with all the AH detail settings maxed, running 2560x1440, the frame rates have dropped considerably. I have gone as low as single digits in very congested areas. I over clocked the card and it helped a little, but to remain playable in all situations, I had to scale back on the detail settings. Now I get around 50-55 just cruising around and see 30s in congestion.
So, to really capitalize on the high resolution, I need to upgrade my video card. Even so, the monitor is simply beautiful, and AH is much better at 2560x1440.
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It is looking like my financial situation may have taken a marked turn for the better. If so I will likely be getting the Viewsonic 27" screen and a new computer in the next six months or so.
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It is looking like my financial situation may have taken a marked turn for the better. If so I will likely be getting the Viewsonic 27" screen and a new computer in the next six months or so.
Hope your plan works out! I did a lot of reading, talking, and general research prior to purchasing the Viewsonic. All in all, the most positive reviews were in the corner of the Viewsonic. Not one dead pixel, and I haven't experienced any "bright" spots like some have stated in reviews.
The two 27" WQHD Dell models also had great reviews, but in the end I went this direction. I even considered some of the Apple models, but shat, they want more for those than I have paid for cars.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008M08SN6/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?redirect=true&ref_=pe_171560_30717810_email_1p_0_im
Nixeus 27"WQHD for $480
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009C3M7H0/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?redirect=true&ref_=pe_171560_30717810_email_1p_1_ti
ASUS 27" WQHD for $600
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Well I jumped off the ledge & bought the DoubleSight DS-279W monitor that I posted a link to earlier.
So far this thing is a beauty to behold. Got reading up on the company before I bought it....DoubleSight's speciality is building business-class multi-monitor set ups for the business world but also offer models that are suited for business/home use (such as this one).
Compared to the Dell U2713H & the ViewSonic V2770 (direct comparison units) it matches up feature for feature w/ the exception of the USB interface capability, has actual buttons under the bezel...no touchscreen. The DoubleSight is heavier than the other 2 by 2-3 lbs but is approx. $130.00 or more less than the others as listed on Newegg (DS-279W listed on Newegg for $613.99, ViewSonic V2770 listed for $749.99 & Dell U2713H listed for $999.00). I know you can find these units elsewhere cheaper than the Egg but I couldn't find another carrier of the DoubleSight products (other than DoubleSight's site which it goes for $699.99....cheaper on the Egg) to make the comparisons relative. This monitor offers PIP capability thru the VGA & DVI-D ports but ole Pudgie don't need that right now but nice to know that the feature is there. After dealing w/ Newegg for approx 13 years in this hobby of mine & have never had a problem w/ them I just tend to stay w/ them. My local option is Best Buy where I live & that ain't an option as they are SOOOOO FAR behind the tech curve compared to the Egg it ain't funny!
I got a perfect panel (no dead pixels, no bright spots, no IPS glow, no burn in issues)....now I see why IPS panels are preferred! The response times & input lag in-game is near perfect....this monitor is actually far better than the HP 2710m TN panel it replaced in this regard as I have not witnessed any ghosting even when I make quick stick moves over water (could see some slight ghosting on the HP 2710M when I did this over water & it is rated at 2.5ms GTG response time vs the DS-279W at 6ms GTG response time. As far as input lag goes I couldn't see/tell any difference between the 2) & this HP 2710m was a pretty good performer. The smoothness of motion along w/ the color reproduction & sharpness of detail is simply AWESOME!
The display is simply GORGEOUS & the 2560 x 1440 x 32 res let's the Titan flex it's strengths. I'm taken aback at how good I can SEE things on screen w/o my glasses! So far my FPS has stayed at 59-60 at fully maxed settings regardless w/ the Titan at stock settings. I finally went into my Rampage IV Gene & set up the normal OC profile instead of the stock X.M.P. profile so my I7 3820 is clocking 4375 GHz now instead of 3873 GHz & doing it w/ ease & which further helped the Titan to perform even better.
The 1 thing that I did have some issue with was setting up the monitor initially to use DVI-D. The monitor came w/ no paper manual to read (manual on the DVD). Since this monitor is designed w/ businesses in mind (read IT personnel here) I found that it doesn't have the auto signal select feature as my HP did & the bezel buttons have multi-function capabilities other than what is engraved on the bezel above them. I initially hooked her up w/ DVI-D cabling to the DVI-D port on the monitor & vid card but the monitor kept showing a no signal found box & going into sleep mode. I was following the engraved button labeling & thought I was setting it up but got nowhere. After 3 hrs trying (swapping vid cards as well to verify that it wasn't the Titan) I swapped to the VGA cable to see what would happen & it lit up.....? When I popped in the DVD to load the drivers I then read the manual....saw that I was hitting the wrong button to save the config choice (once you use the select button the vol+ button becomes the save button....)....VGA is the default setting.....duh! Shut down, pulled the VGA cabling & adapter off, hooked the DVI-D cabling back up the way I had initially had it & then proceeded w/ the RIGHT button sequencing & voila! All is golden since. Now I see why many IT folks switch careers so frequently............... :D
Other than this little gem of an issue all went well & I'm very happy w/ this piece of kit.
Can you find cheaper.....yes you can................
:x :salute :aok
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Here is a new Cheap place to get the OCable Korean monitors in the US..Says they will even pay for return shipping if you don't like monitor..
http://www.ipsledmonitors.com/Default.asp (http://www.ipsledmonitors.com/Default.asp)