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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ratbo on November 07, 2001, 09:22:00 AM
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Last night the former Executive Producer and guiding force behind AW in it's glory days came onto our BBS with a statement. His insight into online game communities is legendary in the industry. I note that he makes reference to Hi-Tech makes note of a fact that should give us all hope for a LONG life for AH. Dale has already been burned (with Warbirds) by corporate idiots ruining his vision and has the chance here to not suffer that fate again. GOOD!
I feel honored that he saw fit to even *mention* my name when listing people that gave AW some life. I hope my name will be as good here in your world. :)
Nothing I can further say - I'll let BB talk.
-Wayne
Message follows..
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I have to agree with DD on this one.
It would indeed be sad if they've already shut it down, thus denying us the
ability to say goodbye to as we did with the old so-called DOS host - a very
emotional night for all who attended.
This was hardly a shock, as DD mentioned earlier. Plus most all of us who
attended the last Con in Seattle pretty much felt it was indeed the last.
Sadness is my reaction. I got past anger years ago.
To hell with palliatives such as "Well, it was a 15 year run," and crap like
that. That product could have had legs, and several of us fought what had
to become, at times, a covert war to attach those limbs only to have them
blown away by endless assaults of cluelessness, as successive waves of
misguided management thought they were taking Air Warrior, and
online gaming, into their wretched embrace. HT endured this once and had
the opportunity to not suffer it again.
While competition began to relegate Air Warrior to ancient history all we
could do was fix a tire here and there and slap on a paint job. Yes, great
work was done by so many dedicated people at Kesmai but we were not allowed
to advance the game itself, and the steps we took in the direction were not
supported.
Most of us know what it's like to watch your online community leave. I
don't think anyone can get used to it. At least we had Big Week - perhaps
the most important event in online gaming that nobody, except the folks who
participated in it - ever noticed. This forum is proof that the community
it sparked exists still.
Relieved of my command by a thick skulled, burned out man more suited to
creating rules for miniatures than for understanding the dynamics of online
groups - a fellow who could not help but view everything through his self
interest filter when he wasn't dozing off at meetings - I had to sit by and
watch....until I couldn't any longer. Moggs stood watch in my stead.
Others still tried to help. Kelton kept at work with flight models,
Quarters and Matt Shaw, the latter a pioneer as most of you know in the air
combat sim, and others I did not know, kept the faith, as did others such as
Mage, and many of you here
in your own way.
I salute you all, along with the folks who flew who truly gave the game
meaning this is by no means a comprehensive list of everyone who stands out
in my mind....simply the folks who come to mind at the moment. Group
Captain Biggles (though we was before my time). The pilots who later became
Kesmai folks: Ridge Runner, Quarters, Kato, Centurion, Anvil, Mage, and
Moggy. The pilots who were fortunate never to become one: Scav, Volstag,
Fencer, Stilleto (the real one), Dutch, Waxer, BMan, Bushwacker, DoK, Leon,
Mullah, Hitech, Heater, Vermin, Garos, Vossman, GE, Grey Bear, Cal,
Airmigan, Grok, Seadog (later Gypsy Baron) Rocketman, Lady in Red, Sloth,
Subbie, Twist, Vmc, Brooke, Chump Change, you - of course, DD, Killer,
Ghostrider, Etiolle, Buffalo, Ho, Shakes, Ketch, Tiff, Shep, Culero, Cookie,
Nick Bigrod, Nobaddy, Duke, GMan, Grog, Wolverine, Assassin, Bug, Stimpy,
Lady Jenny of Fubar, Bebop and Shebop, Sturmer, SB, Sniff, Mig, Kken, Tex,
B-17 (you, Wayne - not that other B-17), Wedge, Pyro, Frying Tiger, Gunsmoke
(Mark Jacobs - the guy who runs Mythic today), and, yes, even Snail.
The squads...Fubars, Warhawks, Jv44, Muskies, Damned, 4Q, Death from Above,
Snafu, Don Quixotes, Turkey Hams, Angels of Destruction, NME, the Aggies (in
their own way), and so many others. Please - each of you - add the names of
the pilots and squads who meant the most to you.
Regrets, recriminations, and recollections aside, the most important fellow
in all of this was a guy with the handle Lord Kalvin. This is Kelton Flinn.
Without him, Air Warrior, and all of its successors would either not exist
or not have had the magic that made them what they are. Air Warrior is
something that could never be made today: an original online game design.
Though not his best effort, it was his bravest. The very notion of a fully
graphical online game (there were none at the time), involving real time air
combat running at 1200 baud over the GEIS network....well, that took both
confidence and vision. The sad thing is that no one at the major online
game companies today knows who the diddly Kelton is. Actually, that's not
true. I recently took a job at Microsoft as their executive producer for
Xbox online. I'll make sure that lots of people there know who Kelton Flinn
is before I'm through.
Not sure how to close. Kesmai is gone, so many Air Warrior communities have
come and gone, and soon - if not now - the game itself will be gone. I
recall how Mullah used to change the name of his squad (the NME) on the last
night of a camp to something rude so that it would appear in the opening
page 870 screen scoring banner. Usually it was something like "Warhawks
suck." My favorite of his is a suitable epitaph for Air Warrior: Jesus
Wepped.
BB
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< S > BB
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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My roots to online sims from 1989. <S> to AW and whatever in transgressed into over the last 13 years.
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<S>
Ice
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<S> to AW and the community it spawned. We are all here because of AW in one way or another. Sad to see it go.
Oh, and welcome to all those from AW who choose AH as their new home.
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I just think it kicks bellybutton that Aces High is doing well.
when i think of the online flightsims interworkings and business model I think of the old movie "Kelly's Heroes"(i bought the dvd :p )
where the design team and people directly working on the project are kelly's small squad and the suits are those bridge building guys with their mostrous number of people, logistics, advertising, overhead and slow mobility and limited ability for rapid advance. and they are all racing towards this nazi bank behind enemy lines thats full of gold with everyone making it there getting a share of the profit.
basically Kelly's small band of "heroes" leaves the huge army of suits behind and never looks back, takes the bank through much clever strategy and planning and makes a nice profit :)
the bridge builders get a nice medal from the general though but no profit or gold :)
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p.s.
HiTech Creations KICKS ASS!
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Do NOT read T his (http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hitechcreations.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fultimatebb.cgi%3Fubb%3Dget_topic%26f%3D1%26t%3D012382) translation if you can't handle uhmm... dirty words.
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]
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Originally posted by Staga:
Do NOT read T his (http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hitechcreations.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fultimatebb.cgi%3Fubb%3Dget_topic%26f%3D1%26t%3D012382) translation if you can't handle uhmm... dirty words.
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]
As someone who knows BlueBaron personally,
I RESENT you're so call "translation"!
You obviously think it's some form of humor.
I can ASSURE you that it will NOT be seen
in that light.
I don't know what your background in the
flightsim community is or if you ever "flew"
Air Warrior but NO ONE with any actual knowledge
of the AW community would stoop so low or
would ever think of BB "talking" like that.
Words can not adequately describe the disgust
I feel for the likes of you, Staga.
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Originally posted by Citabria:
p.s.
HiTech Creations KICKS ASS!
You seem to be missing the point here, by
a very wide margin...
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LOL Staga and Gypsy "Airing the Orchid" Baron! What's it like to "gamahuch" BlueBaron personally, anyway?
Man I wish I'd been around for "Big Buttplug Week"
<S> Air Warrior. It is sad to see an institution go.
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It's a website that changes words around for humor Gypsy Baron.
You can do it to any thread, and it's been done many many times before.
You should of paid attention to the pornolize.com prefix that was part of the link Staga provided rather than jumping on him.
It's not his fault someone made a website that can make web pages or UBBs a little more funny.
-SW
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Originally posted by Dinger:
[QB]LOL Staga and Gypsy "Airing the Orchid" Baron! What's it like to "gamahuch" BlueBaron personally, anyway?
Man I wish I'd been around for "Big Buttplug Week"
QB]
I'm sorry, but I don't believe I know you, and I
must say I'm rather happy for that! What hole did
scumbags such as yourself and Staga crawl out of anyhow?
This thread was started with a much higher
moral intent than either of you seem to be
capable of aspiring to or even comprehending.
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
It's a website that changes words around for humor Gypsy Baron.
You can do it to any thread, and it's been done many many times before.
You should of paid attention to the pornolize.com prefix that was part of the link Staga provided rather than jumping on him.
It's not his fault someone made a website that can make web pages or UBBs a little more funny.
-SW
I realize the aspects of the website "translation".
However, it was Staga who CHOSE to post
that like in THIS topic with BB's message
as the "input". THAT is what I find repulsive
and in VERY bad taste. He inserted his
message and the link here full well
knowing what would/did come "out" of
the "translator" so I absolutely won't
buy " it's not his fault!" It is INDEED
his fault and I fail to see how you can't
see this.
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Lighten up, it was just intended to be funny.
It's not like he was making fun of someone who died, it was a game and it's days were numbered since AW3.
-SW
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Hmmmm...maybe you just dont understand our humor here?
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CUT!!!
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(http://www.milams.com/sling3.jpg) (http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/cwm/3dlil/wink.gif)
Originally posted by sling322:
Hmmmm...maybe you just dont understand our humor here?
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I'm going to assume that the use of the pornalize site is SOP here.
Lousy pick of a post to do it with though...
Blue Baron is an icon not just in AW but flight sims in general. His words have meaning to us all now....
-W
Let's carry on....
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Originally posted by Staga:
Do NOT read This translation if you can't handle uhmm... dirty words.
And what was the word you didn't understand Gipsy Baron ?
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
Blue Baron is an icon not just in AW but flight sims in general.
Maybe, but he is not to me. I don't know him from the next AWer wading through our BBS.
Originally posted by Ratbo:
His words have meaning to us all now....
Not to me, he can speak his mind but it's just the same as someone else wandering in off the streets trying to give me a piece of his mind.
-SW
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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NT
-SW
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SWulfe: Yeah ... history sucks ... yeah yeah ... but not as much as algebra. huhu huhu huhu huhu ;)
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Let Saga attempt to be funny...attempt being the keyword.
AFAIK he just did the equivelant of running verses of the bible through the pornalizer...
Anyone that's been flying flightsims seriously for any short period of time knows who Blue Baron is...and I'm sure every single one of them is rolling their eyes at just how tasteless and stupid that joke was.
Kind of ironic that the same group of people that berated the AW people for their humor on these boards are now spouting "it was only a joke...you just don't understand OUR humor."
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Not to me, he can speak his mind but it's just the same as someone else wandering in off the streets trying to give me a piece of his mind.
-SW
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
Go study up on the history of flightsims...better yet...run a search on Blue Baron and see what you come up with.
When you're done...come back and tell us all how stupid you feel.
See you in about 5 minutes...
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First of all, I never berated anyone's humor.
No, it wasn't funny- reminded me of a drunk crazy homeless person rambling on a street corner to himself about how him and some political power in office smoked blunts together.
Their "humor" is what people from my area call "white boy humor"- dry and utterly asinine.
I know of Blue Baron, but I don't know who he is. Confirmed Kill v.91 was my first online sim.
The fact that you come here and expect the majority of us to accept or appreciate your tradition is just as rediculous as thinking that because you were old timers in AW means that you won't be newbies in AH.
-SW
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Brat, why don't you get your head removed from your ass.
I don't care about Blue Baron's history, nor do I care about what history he has with Air Warriors.
I don't feel stupid, nor will I look up his past. You think I should accept and cherish the Air Warrior past, I think you should wake up and stop the roadkill. I didn't fly Air Warrior, therefore I do not care at all about it or the people behind it.
Got it?
-SW
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Originally posted by Brat:
Let Saga attempt to be funny...attempt being the keyword.
AFAIK he just did the equivelant of running verses of the bible through the pornalizer...
Anyone that's been flying flightsims seriously for any short period of time knows who Blue Baron is...and I'm sure every single one of them is rolling their eyes at just how tasteless and stupid that joke was.
Kind of ironic that the same group of people that berated the AW people for their humor on these boards are now spouting "it was only a joke...you just don't understand OUR humor."
How ironic. Some of you come here with your "humor". Said humor is rejected and they don't understand why. Now, tables are reversed. An AH'er interjects his "humor" and you don't see it as funny.
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Originally posted by Staga:
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[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]
Staga,
Not funny...
I'm sure your not aware of the number of people that you have offended. I can't and won't speak for the rest of the Air Warrior Community, but I found your post very insulting to the people mentioned in the post and the history of Air Warrior.
afool
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Guess there's an obvious difference here after all. HiTech and Pyro get alot of respect in BigWeek. Someone once tried to dis HT there. Didn't go over too well at all (understatement). Maybe ... this sheds light? *ShruG* Sure makes me hesitant to ask what everyone's opinion of Kelton Flinn is here.
Some apparently thought this place was worth sharing some of the more serious and cherished posts from BigWeek (maybe in hopes that common ground would be found, assuming there was common ground). That number probably just dwindled (if it didn't die off altogether). :(
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Originally posted by afool:
Staga,
Not funny...
You'd think BB had never been flamed before.
:rolleyes:
However, since he's not here... <shrug>
Tex
last time I saw BB HT was in a quiet hallway talking to him at the AW con in '99. <small clue>
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Originally posted by sling322:
Hmmmm...maybe you just dont understand our humor here?
ah, yeah ... now i see what Westy means by the fine and mature sense of humor over here and why he's so ashamed of his AW family from the slums with their crude manners.
<sigh>
Goner
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I don't know anything about Air Warrior. I'm not going to make fun of it or the people who played it. I welcome them to the arenas and scenarios of AH. But discussions about other games belong in the O'Club.
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SW, those people BB named are *your* elders. You just don't know it. AW history is very relevant - where do you think your SHEEP came from for openers. The world just came full circle....... and will soon shoot you in the ass. :p
-W
Originally posted by SWulfe:
I don't care about Blue Baron's history, nor do I care about what history he has with Air Warriors.
I don't feel stupid, nor will I look up his past. You think I should accept and cherish the Air Warrior past, I think you should wake up and stop the roadkill. I didn't fly Air Warrior, therefore I do not care at all about it or the people behind it.
Got it?
-SW[/QB]
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A kill has been recorded.
To those here that can not or will not understand our feeling of loss, those that don't understand that the past and the future can not be separated, I can but quote those wiser than me.
" Never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
NancyD
DEG
Mustang Sally
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NANCY!!!!!
Hi there!!! You and Dana good? Still playing EQ at all? Why didn't ewe 2 come to Seatle CON - it was close enough to you, no?
-W
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Look your fugging idiots.
BB IS ONLINE. AW IS FLIGHT SIM. HAMMER THAT INTO YOUR amazinhunk SIZE OF BRAIN YOU HAVE.
Without Air Warrior, this GREAT sim would NOT be what it is. Air Warrior was the FIRST MMOG. It was a revolution, a quiet one yes, but a revolution.
You only care about AH history fine. HiTech made AH. Hitech came from AW. HT knows who BB is. For THAT reason alone you should respect both of them, you elitists.
Comparing BB to me, since we're both AWers cna you said they all look alike, would be like comparing an amazinhunk (you) to the rest of the body.
Learn to respect history instead of K/D ratios.
Aub
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Mustang !! woohoo the class level just went up.. :)
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I never thought the day would come where i WOULD agree with Brat......But i do.
Sorry BB's post got all mucked up.
To all the AHer's that don't know online fighter sym's history, you should learn it.
My online gameplay started in AW, I came to AH almost the opening day, and love it here.
With the influx of AWer's now, personalities will clash, and many people will not post on this BBS for fear of personal attacks which it seams MOST threads turn into lately. I have the fortune to know both sides of this fence, as some others also do. I can say BOTH crowds have their good and bad people and there is really no difference between the two. We will eventually mesh into one AH community. This chest thumping and icon slamming has got to stop! this is really getting annoying.
I also thought the porn filter or whatever it was, was in poor taste. Anyone that knows BB would be offended. Some people can Paint, some can sing, BB's talent is his words, how he uses them and how he delivers them, and how they have meaning. I savor his words, he is a man that speaks and the room is silent. His words are His canvas! Thats why many people find the post offensive. Lets just stop and think before we post.
Staga, I know you never intented this the way it is percieved, but it is in very poor taste.
SWulf, Not knowing the person is irrelevant, and is not an excuse to do what was done.
NUTTZ
Flame away, I'm sticking to my guns!
Originally posted by Brat:
Let Saga attempt to be funny...attempt being the keyword.
AFAIK he just did the equivelant of running verses of the bible through the pornalizer...
Anyone that's been flying flightsims seriously for any short period of time knows who Blue Baron is...and I'm sure every single one of them is rolling their eyes at just how tasteless and stupid that joke was.
Kind of ironic that the same group of people that berated the AW people for their humor on these boards are now spouting "it was only a joke...you just don't understand OUR humor."
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Does he ride the little bus? :D :eek:
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Must we all pray to and worship your flight sim messiahs?
F.
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Yes, and you must play the theme from "Jesus Christ Superstar" every time someone on BB's list walks into the room too.
-W
PS: Don't forget to genuflect.
Originally posted by Furious:
Must we all pray to and worship your flight sim messiahs?
F.
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FWIW I flew AW beginning in '90 on GEnie when it was $6/hr. Was great, had a lotta fun. Embarrased to admit this but I thought it died 5 years ago.
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Not knowing him is relevant. Regardless of what he has done in the past, it's just that- the past. I've had no interaction with him or with Air Warrior.
You people seem to think that because Air Warrior was, then all of us should bow down and sing it's praise.
Not gonna happen with me.
I was only defending what Staga did, which was simply posting a link. It was your choice to click on it or not.
It was also your choice to get offended by it or to take it with a grain of salt.
Either you got thick skin, or you don't. It wasn't a slam on Blue Baron, nor Air Warrior.
You all chose to take it that way.
So again, I do not care about his past or what he did for Air Warrior. I had absolutely none, zero, zilch interaction with that software or the people behind it. Ergo, I need not read up on it or care about it- it's history.
-SW
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funked up wrote:
I don't know anything about Air Warrior. I'm not going to make fun of it or the people who played it. I welcome them to the arenas and scenarios of AH. But discussions about other games belong in the O'Club
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shewulfe wrote:
You people seem to think that because Air Warrior was, then all of us should bow down and sing it's praise.
Not gonna happen with me.
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It isnt about another game. In case you missed it Air Warrior has ceased operation.
It is about the history of online sims and one of its founding members. I believe the title of this forum is ACES HIGH GENERAL DISCUSSION. There would be no ACES HIGH if there hadnt been a Air Warrior and men like Blue Baron. Get it? or do you need someone to draw you a picture?
I understand some of you think that your tenure in Aces High gives you some sort of right to look down your noses at the "new guys", but try tripping on your tiny ego in doing so. Some of us have been online along damn timeand no where we came from.
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sorry funked up, I shouldnt have merged your quote with that of the shewulfe.
my bad
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First off it's SWulfe. I don't know where you got the she from.
Second of all, great I know Air Warrior was the first. But I'm not going to sit here and think it's anything other than a game I never played. Because it's just that to me, nothing more than the name of a game.
And this isn't about the history of online sims or it's creator, you turned it around to be that way. It started out as a thread in the ACES HIGH GENERAL DISCUSSION about Air Warrior. It degenerated to this trite when a select few decided to get all upity over something someone posted that he didn't even write!
You(AW) can come here, and expect us to find you funny. When we don't, and one of us posts something he thought was funny- you get your panties in the biggest knot that it would take a pair of scissors to get it out then a economy sized plunger to get it out your ass.
Then you tell some of us to respect you and the game you come from.
Okay, I did that... the first week of Air Warrior related stuff that only Air Warrior's could appreciate that you plastered this BBS with.
Now it's just old news, and this is Aces High the last time I checked.
-SW
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First off it's SWulfe. I don't know where you got the she from.
BAHAHAHAHA. That's funny :)
And sheWulfe obviously has no clue, does sheWulfe?
Someone hand it a fuggin clue rake.
Aub
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Geez guys. It's a tragic loss, but all Staga did was pornolize the thread. Funny how the reactions are what you'd expect from drawing a moustache on a painting of Christ.
Blasphemy? Hell yeah! Unsophisticated? You bet.
But it's more absurd than insulting. And frankly, I've seen a helluva lot more absurd posts masquerading as meaningful in the last two weeks than I can stomach.
Heck, I wouldn't have even followed the thread if had hadn't seen GB's reaction. I saw that and my reaction was "here goes these AW kids again, trying to stir up trouble, like they have 30 times in the last week".
How was I to know Ol' airing the orchid didn't mean what he said about "Gamahutchin?"
Hell, even those of us who've never played AW recognize that this is an emotional time for AW fans -- I mean I'd longed to play AW since I read about it in 1988, but I never was on the right side of the hardware curve. But they shouldn't forget that we're feeling the shock waves too.
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Here, I'll give you a bag of clues.
I don't care about Air Warrior. And the more you people post here, I am beginning respect you and your "Air Warrior lineage" less and less.
So you want my final answer? Go to hell, and take your history with you, cuz I don't care about it and I don't want it.
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
First off it's SWulfe. I don't know where you got the she from.
Second of all, great I know Air Warrior was the first. But I'm not going to sit here and think it's anything other than a game I never played. Because it's just that to me, nothing more than the name of a game.
And this isn't about the history of online sims or it's creator, you turned it around to be that way. It started out as a thread in the ACES HIGH GENERAL DISCUSSION about Air Warrior. It degenerated to this trite when a select few decided to get all upity over something someone posted that he didn't even write!
You(AW) can come here, and expect us to find you funny. When we don't, and one of us posts something he thought was funny- you get your panties in the biggest knot that it would take a pair of scissors to get it out then a economy sized plunger to get it out your ass.
Then you tell some of us to respect you and the game you come from.
Okay, I did that... the first week of Air Warrior related stuff that only Air Warrior's could appreciate that you plastered this BBS with.
Now it's just old news, and this is Aces High the last time I checked.
-SW
Why do you bother? if it dosnt intrest you move to the next thread. there isnt anything here for you to do but argue with people that are beneath your elevated ego..
go ahead.. the last word is your, I wont waste anymore time replying to your BS
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Go to hell, and take your history with you, cuz I don't care about it and I don't want it.
To diddlying bad. With more and more of us coming, it is going to get shoved down your throat whether you want it or not.
Aub
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Originally posted by Krusher:
It isnt about another game. In case you missed it Air Warrior has ceased operation.
It is about the history of online sims and one of its founding members. I believe the title of this forum is ACES HIGH GENERAL DISCUSSION. There would be no ACES HIGH if there hadnt been a Air Warrior and men like Blue Baron. Get it? or do you need someone to draw you a picture?
Aces High is here because HTC got together and created it. It doesn't owe anything to any other sims because it was created from a blank sheet of paper. What ever existed in the past isn't relevant because it didn't spawn AH, HTC did.
We don't necessarily know who was a big figure in AW or whatever, nor do we need to know. We just all need to concern ourselves with enjoying what we have now.
I understand some of you think that your tenure in Aces High gives you some sort of right to look down your noses at the "new guys", but try tripping on your tiny ego in doing so. Some of us have been online along damn timeand no where we came from.
This statement is dripping with more elitism than any other I have seen on this board.
You ARE newbies here. Why? Because you are NEW to this game. It doesn't mean that you are without skills and talent but it does mean that those who have never played AW don't know you from any other guy joining up for his 2 week trial. Even if you have been online a long time you haven't been online HERE for long. Get it? I hope so.
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
This statement is dripping with more elitism than any other I have seen on this board.
You ARE newbies here. Why? Because you are NEW to this game. It doesn't mean that you are without skills and talent but it does mean that those who have never played AW don't know you from any other guy joining up for his 2 week trial. Even if you have been online a long time you haven't been online HERE for long. Get it? I hope so.
I seem to see your nose in every AW thread. Dont talk to me about elitism , I have responded too very little of this us vs them crap. You on the other hand have gone out of your way to reply to most of it.. Like the last fellow the last word is yours, I have better things to do like clip my toe nails.
feel free to charm away
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YOU're right Mako, HTC just came up with AH from clean paper. Forget that HTC made Warbirds, inspired by fascination with AW. But that had nothing to do with it. They got fuggin AMNESIA and did AH as the reslt of a mind-wipe.
<eyeroll>
-W
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Actually, it was Kurt Tank who invented massively multiplayer online flight sims.
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Actually, it was Kurt Tank who invented massively multiplayer online flight sims.
Your prolly right. I thought AW was the first something in that department. Maybe first in graphics in a MMOG?
I frankly don't have a clue regarding that :)
Aub
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I think Kurts was: DotWarrior. :)
-W
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Not to me, he can speak his mind but it's just the same as someone else wandering in off the streets trying to give me a piece of his mind.
-SW
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
pssssst SWULF...(looks around) your ignorance is showing! Thought someone should tell ya'
+Lute
III/JG26ST +WM81
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OKIE!!!
BOOMER SOONER! BOOMER SOONER! BOOMER SOONER!
Aub
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Ahhh the penny finally drops!
The AWers are suffering MASSIVE-EGO-LOSS. They've got a new home were most people don't know who the f*** they are, nor do they care. They don't like being at the bottom of the ego foodchain.
I don't know who BB is, nor do I care. I've been online since the CK Beta days and still have no idea who he is. I checked out AW back then and thought it was crap - nothings changed. You are nobodies to me and many other AHers, I wouldn't know you from any other loud-mouthed IRC pond-scum. Don't come thumping in here expecting us to worship you.
And please don't lay claim to HT giving birth to AH as creations solely inspired by AW. I have many a great idea while taking a dump, but I don't necessarily give the turd I dropped the credit for the idea. Much like the relationship between AH and AW.
You AW kids are in a new neighbourhood, unfortunately you online persona's don't transfer between MMPOGs - earn your respect the hard way like the rest of us. See ya in the air.
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Amazing...
I made a warning about dirty words behind that link but someone opened that link anyway and went ballistic.
If you see a button on the wall with text "Do NOT push this button, bomb is armed" will you push it anyway ?
If answer is "Yes" I wonder how can you still be alive and if answer is "No" why did you opened that link Baron ?
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Originally posted by +Lute:
pssssst SWULF...(looks around) your ignorance is showing! Thought someone should tell ya'
Hmmm interesting. I've been flying here for over 2 years. I had been flying WarBirds for 4 years before that.
Not once did it matter whether or not I knew who Blue Baron was, nor that I read his text as words of wisdom.
Now, you people come here and suddenly I'm ignorant because YOUR past I don't care about?
Sorry, must of missed the logic in that one.
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Lighten up, it was just intended to be funny.
</I>
Somehow I don't find it funny at all in
this particular context.
<I>
It's not like he was making fun of someone who died, it was a game and it's days were numbered since AW3.
-SW
No, he was "making fun" of someone who is
very much alive and who was one of the true
forces behind massively mutiplayer flight sims
as we know them today.
Without people like BlueBaron, who helped
bring and KEEP a community together, it's
quite possible that AW would have died on
the vine and HiTech, Pyro and the rest might
never have come together and thus THIS forum
and associated flight sim might not even
exist. You see, you had to really have BEEN
there to fully understand the feelings that
are behind this, my reaction, for one.
I WAS there in the early days, though not
"in the beginning", but the absolute magic
that exuded from those days and those
"creators" remains deeply entrenched in
many of us to this day.
Thus, I take exception tho Staga's "attempt"
at humor here.
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Originally posted by Staga:
And what was the word you didn't understand Gipsy Baron ?
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]
I fully understood your "warning" but that
doesn't change the fact that you placed
that link in this thread.
THAT is what I take exception to.
What do you not understand about "appropriateness"?
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Originally posted by sling322:
Hmmmm...maybe you just dont understand our humor here?
Maybe I just don't see a NEED for so called
"humor" here in this thread. An perhaps I don't
find this attempt at "humor" appropriate here in this thread.
Staga just picked the wrong thread and the
wrong subject's words in his attempt at "humor".
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That's just it- he wasn't making fun of anyone.
You have a choice to read it the straight way, and then a choice to read it the pornilized way.
There was no making fun of, nor was there any intent of him trying to berate Blue Baron.
You simply took it out of context.
Now that this thread has gone down the toejamter, I am going to duck out.
-SW
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
YOU're right Mako, HTC just came up with AH from clean paper. Forget that HTC made Warbirds, inspired by fascination with AW. But that had nothing to do with it. They got fuggin AMNESIA and did AH as the reslt of a mind-wipe.
<eyeroll>
-W
So every new product in every existing market owes it's existence to the original? I don't think so... Just because a product/game/service/whatever breaks new ground means we need to credit it with creating everything that follows??? Do you credit Henry Ford with creating a Hyundai or a Mercedes?
Can none of you grasp that AH is NOT AW???
Who cares if HT was part of AW before? Who cares if AW existed? I don't. Why? Because I have never played AW. I play AH. That is not a flame on guys who do care, I am stating what I feel.
People who come into this BBS (which is setup for discussion of Aces High btw), trying to tell me who I should respect and who I shouldn't, should maybe stop a second and think about how they would respond to the same.
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Blue Mako ]
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I sure hope Rude is paying attention to all this.
F.
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Originally posted by Krusher:
I seem to see your nose in every AW thread. Dont talk to me about elitism , I have responded too very little of this us vs them crap. You on the other hand have gone out of your way to reply to most of it.. Like the last fellow the last word is yours, I have better things to do like clip my toe nails.
feel free to charm away
Oh, I'm sorry that I have an opinion and have tried to get it across to others. Maybe if you read some of the other threads on this BBS you'd see that I have answered a lot of those as well. I am active on the BBS because I take an interest in this community. Guess that isn't acceptable to you... :rolleyes:
Read some of my posts. I have tried to get the new AW influx to chill out a bit and at the same time have tried to offer advice on how to get into the AH groove. I haven't resorted to the personal attacks a lot of people are making, I have NEVER said that the AH group were better or that the AW influx were somehow beneath us.
I just fail to understand how closed-minded some of the people posting here can be. A few have waltzed onto a BBS that is for Aces High and act as if we (the people that were here before you) know nothing because we don't know what you are talking about. We don't know because you are NEW here.
I guess there is no point trying to explain anymore...
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Hiyas Nancy and DEG..been along time.
Was the "Skulls" I believe.
Stalker(cpid)911
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Not knowing him is relevant. Regardless of what he has done in the past, it's just that- the past. I've had no interaction with him or with Air Warrior.
</I>
Oh, you do...you just don't know it or understand it.
<I>
You people seem to think that because Air Warrior was, then all of us should bow down and sing it's praise.
</I>
No, that's not the point at all. Once again,
you are showing your lack of understanding here.
<I>
Not gonna happen with me.
I was only defending what Staga did, which was simply posting a link. It was your choice to click on it or not.
</I>
Defend Staga? Why? Does he need defending?
If so, why you, who admits he could care
less about the "history" or past that IS
the issue here.
<I>
It was also your choice to get offended by it or to take it with a grain of salt.
</I>
Yes it was, and I DID become offended for
reasons that YOU would never understand
nor do you seem to even care about, so I have
to ask...just WHY are you even IN here in
this thread?
Why not leave it for those that DO care.
<I>
Either you got thick skin, or you don't. It wasn't a slam on Blue Baron, nor Air Warrior.
</I>
Oh, I have a thick skin. That's not the issue here.
The issue is that Staga's attampt at humor
WAS a slam on BB, and by virue of that, on AW.
But since you know nothing of the "history" here,
I guess I shouldn't expevt you to see or
understand that.
<I>
You all chose to take it that way.
So again, I do not care about his past or what he did for Air Warrior. I had absolutely none, zero, zilch interaction with that software or the people behind it. Ergo, I need not read up on it or care about it- it's history.
-SW
With that last statement of you I really
am beginning to pity you for the shallow
human being that you must be...
Go play your "game" and may you never be remembered
in ANY way, some day in the future when you
are no more...
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I have been reading the message boards here for just under a year. Just lurking at first. I have slowly gotten more and more involved. I really enjoy AH.
I am amazed though at the arrogance of many of the long time AH players.
My respect continues to go up for Hitech, Pyro and all of HTC. But to be honest, I keep loosing respect for you guys that keep bashing AWers. This, I didnt fly this, or know this guy, so I dont care and there for it has no importance is crap! Perhaps you dont need my respect, but I normaly give it freely.
The Fact is, the majority of this community came from somewhere. Be it AW,WBs or another. To dismiss the history of any peice of the community is foolish. To dismiss the history of HT and Pyro is disrepectful too.
Im not big on bashing anyone. Its not my style. I would hope the longer term AH players could stop bashing others.
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
-SNIP-
Now that this thread has gone down the toejamter, I am going to duck out.
-SW
Since you obviously could care less about
the history of flight sims, just WTF were
you doing in this thread to begin with?
I fail to understand that when coupled with
all the telling little tidbits you've posted
in this thread prior to your decision to now
"duck out"...
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
-SNIP-
Now, you people come here and suddenly I'm ignorant because YOUR past I don't care about?
Sorry, must of missed the logic in that one.
-SW
No, I really believe you were ignorant LONG
before "we" came here. That fact is rapidly
rising to the surface here...
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Originally posted by Gypsy Baron:
Since you obviously could care less about
the history of flight sims, just WTF were
you doing in this thread to begin with?
I fail to understand that when coupled with
all the telling little tidbits you've posted
in this thread prior to your decision to now
"duck out"...
I was wondering the same thing... well they have opinions <cough> that need to be shared <cough> and we just dont understand them <cough>
cya up
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Originally posted by Stalker:
Hiyas Nancy and DEG..been along time.
Was the "Skulls" I believe.
Stalker(cpid)911
Heh. And do you remember *me?*
Runny ^Skull^
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Actually, it was Kurt Tank who invented massively multiplayer online flight sims.
Kurt Tank as in Focke-Wulf designer??
Somehow I don't think so...
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You almost *killed* me there.. I was eating my pasta and fuggin GAGGED at that one.
<bows before the master>
-W
<can't stop laughing you bastage!>
Originally posted by Gypsy Baron:
No, I really believe you were ignorant LONG
before "we" came here. That fact is rapidly
rising to the surface here...
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
NANCY!!!!!
Hi there!!! You and Dana good? Still playing EQ at all? Why didn't ewe 2 come to Seatle CON - it was close enough to you, no?
-W
HiYa
Yes Dana and I are fine. Sorry we missed the con but RL and a distaste for wakes got in the way :)and yes we are still active in EQ but rarely see any of the old gamg on but am always glad when we do :)I'm looking forward to soon again flying with and against many of my old friends :)
NancyD
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Originally posted by Stalker:
Hiyas Nancy and DEG..been along time.
Was the "Skulls" I believe.
Stalker(cpid)911
Hello again 911
Of coarse I remember you. My time with the skulls holds many of my fondest memories in AW, it is truly nice to hear from you again after all this time :)
NancyD
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Originally posted by Runny ^Skull^:
Heh. And do you remember *me?*
Runny ^Skull^
Hi Runny
So many old friends :) I'm sure to like it here :)
NancyD
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Gypsy Baron I can assure you I can take care of myself and we can continue talking about your habits to do things against common sense later but right now I'm little busy.
I have a friend here and I need to take care of her first.
And I'm not gonna film it this time...
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"Wait just a second, honey .. i have to post that we're gonna do it."
(Door slams)
"Honey?"
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So you'll be back in what? About a minute?
-W
Originally posted by Staga:
right now I'm little busy.
I have a friend here and I need to take care of her first.
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I just found this thread and then clicked the link after reading most of it and I'm sorry, but I was cracking up at some of the terms coming from the translation.
GB, you'll soon learn but it seems to me there is an inside-joke around here about how Kurt Tank invented or created everything.
I'm reminded of a story where cartoonist Gary Larson got several hate-mail letters describing the distaste of a comic regarding Jane Goodall. I believe one person purported to knowing Ms Goodall herself and stated she was very upset. But it wasn't true and when Goodall did see the comic, she enjoyed it and thought it was funny.
(I hope I get an "Aardvark Ass" in the translation of this.)
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Nevermind, my initial assumption of you people was correct.
-SW
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
The fact that you come here and expect the majority of us to accept or appreciate your tradition is just as rediculous as thinking that because you were old timers in AW means that you won't be newbies in AH.
-SW
Just for your clarification...I was here before you were...so STFU.
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Originally posted by Mustang Sally:
A kill has been recorded.
To those here that can not or will not understand our feeling of loss, those that don't understand that the past and the future can not be separated, I can but quote those wiser than me.
" Never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
NancyD
DEG
Mustang Sally
*heart flutter*
Hiya Deg...miss ya tons.
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Originally posted by Dinger:
Geez guys. It's a tragic loss, but all Staga did was pornolize the thread. Funny how the reactions are what you'd expect from drawing a moustache on a painting of Christ.
Blasphemy? Hell yeah! Unsophisticated? You bet.
But it's more absurd than insulting. And frankly, I've seen a helluva lot more absurd posts masquerading as meaningful in the last two weeks than I can stomach.
Heck, I wouldn't have even followed the thread if had hadn't seen GB's reaction. I saw that and my reaction was "here goes these AW kids again, trying to stir up trouble, like they have 30 times in the last week".
How was I to know Ol' airing the orchid didn't mean what he said about "Gamahutchin?"
Hell, even those of us who've never played AW recognize that this is an emotional time for AW fans -- I mean I'd longed to play AW since I read about it in 1988, but I never was on the right side of the hardware curve. But they shouldn't forget that we're feeling the shock waves too.
Curious...would you be pissed if someone took a heartfelt post from maybe HiTech and ran it through the garbage and posted it here?
Oh that's right...this isn't Airwarrior...so it's fair game right? Why don't you ask HiTech to name the top 10 people that he respects in the flightsim community and see if BB doesn't show up on that list...
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
So you want my final answer? Go to hell, and take your history with you, cuz I don't care about it and I don't want it.
-SW
You hear that HiTech...SWulf just told you to go to hell...
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Originally posted by AKIron:
FWIW I flew AW beginning in '90 on GEnie when it was $6/hr. Was great, had a lotta fun. Embarrased to admit this but I thought it died 5 years ago.
It did. That's when I started playing. :)
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Well look, your time between posts was an hour and ONE MINUTE. Factor in the time difference and how far off was I? <evil grn>
-W
Originally posted by SWulfe:
Nevermind, my initial assumption of you people was correct.
-SW
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]
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Oh MY GOD
"The Skulls"
My first squadron in ANY game, and that was in AW4W when it first appeared on AOL. What was that 1993, or 1994?
Runny, Stalker, Mustang Sally, and DEG, welcome my brothers and sisters to AH.
FYI Me and Whels, have flown here since the start with the MOL squadron, look us up. Robert, or RWY, is flying with the 13th TAS and has been here quite a while as well.
Damn its good to see you all.
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RWY is here too?? COOL!!! We had a BLAST with him and Crystal at CON 99.
-W
Originally posted by Vermillion:
Oh MY GOD
"The Skulls"
My first squadron in ANY game, and that was in AW4W when it first appeared on AOL. What was that 1993, or 1994?
Runny, Stalker, Mustang Sally, and DEG, welcome my brothers and sisters to AH.
FYI Me and Whels, have flown here since the start with the MOL squadron, look us up. Robert, or RWY, is flying with the 13th TAS and has been here quite a while as well.
Damn its good to see you all.
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I look at the tone my original post, and look at where this is gone.. and <sigh> as well. Time will sort all this out.....
-W
Originally posted by SwampRat:
...<sigh> Newbies schmoobies. I'll put a paycheck on this. Within your average "newbies" first 3 days of flying Aces High...many of them will hand you your bellybutton in a dogfite.
Why is it so many "old-timer-AH'rs" tend to think they are "above" anyone else. Try and be mindful of the fact that: This is a game, a buisness, and from the time some newbie's first 14.95 payment to HTC is recieved, that person is just as much a member of the AH community as anyone else making the monthly payment. Having 10,000 AH flights, or 10,000 posts on this UBB doesn't make you king pig of the toejampile, it just means you've been here longer. So in short, being an EX-Air Warrior for over a year....blow it out your ass. Nobody was asking for YOUR respect or anyone elses, but the lack thereof is nothing more than a character flaw on your part.
Tumor
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Originally posted by Moon Dog:
It did. That's when I started playing. :)
OMG! MD's CURSE HAS EXTENDED PAST FANTASY FOOTBALL!
THE HORROR! THE HORROR!
Aub :D
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100 replies!!! Hope this make Ratbo feel a bit better... :D
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
100 replies!!! Hope this make Ratbo feel a bit better... :D
Yeah, since every one of us from Air Warrior is an elitest, it should <rolls eyes>
Aub
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FYI Ratbo, I have nothing against you posting this here. What you posted was well written and shows Blue Baron's passion for the software.
I only was trying to show that Gypsy Baron was over reacting to what Staga posted. It was not intended the way many of you percieved.
Last I checked, you didn't have to not be good to still be a newbie. Newbies are new to a game. In this case Air Warriors new to Aces High. Maybe you should check the definition of a newbie before getting all anal SwampRat.
I don't respect people that don't show me any.
Brat, simply having a UBB account since Sept 1999 does not qualify you as being here longer.
I first flew AH in Beta Tour 2 and have been a paying customer since.
You people turned this around to say I don't respect Blue Baron. How can I respect someone I don't know? Like I said, his words don't mean anything to me since I do not know Air Warrior and do not know him.
I don't suppose you amazinhunks could open your eyes a bit though and realise what I was saying?
No where did I say I say anything derogatory about him, you fabricated that in your minds.
Someone posted something, I gave my opinion and you all decide to join together and start doing a semantics dance on my words.
Well, if that's the way you deal in Air Warrior fine.
Over here, we were just fine until you came over and decided to plop your toejam on the table without even so much as a respectful hello or a greeting with common decency.
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Over here, we were just fine until you came over and decided to plop your toejam on the table without even so much as a respectful hello or a greeting with common decency.
-SW
Ok, hello SW. Nice to meet you.
Since we've now formally met, let me criticize all the points in this thread.
1. How come I don't see a pornolized in every thread? I heard its a pretty damn funny joke around here? Wouldn't you want to see that joke in all threads, not jsut the ones that would offend the newcomers?
2. Why do you not want to learn history? AH is your game, correct? Why don't you wanna learn where its roots come from? Or, when you mean history, do you mean the kind that shows you at #1 in the scores show you can pump out your chest and proclaim only history relavent to you should be posted in "your" game?
Aub
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Originally posted by SheWulfe:
Hmmm interesting. I've been flying here for over 2 years. I had been flying WarBirds for 4 years before that.
Not once did it matter whether or not I knew who Blue Baron was, nor that I read his text as words of wisdom.
Blue Baron was actually IN WarBirds.
I politely invite you to hop on the clue wagon if you want to learn something about your hobby.
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I don't blame AH folks one bit for resenting the influx of AW players, nor because of their lack of awareness of the rich history and traditions of AW, WB, and AH. Fact of the matter is that many players in AW don't know who Jonathan Baron is either. Most players signed up to play the game, not get all wrapped up in history of it. So for these folks I think it best that you ignore posts pertaining to the days of yore.
To all the rest, I must say I'm surprised so many seem unaware of the fine points of AH. Unaware of the rich history of the game... strike that... not the game but the community that sprung up around the game. It was back then, fifteen years ago that AH got its start. When we speak of AW history, we speak also of WB and AH history. They are inseperable.
Our choice for an online game comes complete with a culture and a community. This is true of most games where the players interact with each other on a personal basis, where friendships are made and bonds formed. Even Electronic Arts is aware of this, for in their last quarterly statement they mentioned that a players involvement in massive multiplayer online games can be as little as 10% game playing and 90% related activities.
But there is something else that many AH and AW community members know, that there is no other online game that has managed to create a community structure so strong as ours. One reason for this is folks like Jonathan "BB" Baron. I'll go out on a limb and say that Blue Baron is the world's foremost authority on multiplayer game communities. He has studied community dynamics in detail and is published on the subject. He is recognized for his knowledge by the gaming industry. There are factors that make our community great that many are not aware of. Such as the fact that game play is not predetermined for us, but the company provides the play ground and the players provide the game. Certainly all of you know this, but many don't know the significance of this in building a close community. Another is the concept of shame and glory, only Blue Baron can do this subject justice.
Many of us from AW have the greatest respect for the folks who started the game, worked over the years to make it better, and have enriched it over the years. Blue Baron is one. HiTech is another, as is Pyro. These are all our friends from long before AH went beta.
There are a few things that will draw the tears of these AW players. One is the legacy of Scavenger and the other the greatest generation, our vets, especially the WW2 aviators that we aspire to.
Many of the forefathers of online combat now play in WarBirds, and many of them are here in AcesHigh. But many never left AW until it was shut down and now choose to come here. These players are of strong character (I bet HiTech chuckles at this) and their presence will be felt. This is not to say they will try to take over AH, but just as you can't combine two cups of water without the result taking on the characteristics of each, this influx of AW players will have an affect on AH... I think it will be a positive thing.
grizzly
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Originally posted by Aub:
Yeah, since every one of us from Air Warrior is an elitest, it should <rolls eyes>
Aub
I just think it's so cute the way you can take offence at a remark aimed at someone else. Combined with the ability to turn a very specific comment into a sweeping generalisation you are just showing yourself to be full of little surprises. ;)
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BRAVO grizzly, BRAVO!
Aub
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
I just think it's so cute the way you can take offence at a remark aimed at someone else. Combined with the ability to turn a very specific comment into a sweeping generalisation you are just showing yourself to be full of little surprises. ;)
Yeah, I'm full of surprises! I can pull a wabbit out of a hat, make all the sheep suddenly lose thier wool, AND auger at the drop of a pin! :)
Aub
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<S> Grizzly,
Nice post. I wish some of the others who have posted here would take the time to look at it from both sides as you have.
You are also quite right, some of us have signed up to play, not study history, myself included. I hope some of the other AWers can learn to respect that.
If I have offended anyone with my posts I apologise for the offence but not the message.
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Originally posted by SwampRat:
Having 10,000 AH flights, or 10,000 posts on this UBB doesn't make you king pig of the toejampile
Tumor
Ok, time to rethink my strategy :).
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Originally posted by Rotor:
Ok, time to rethink my strategy :).
Oh HELL how did that happen? Talk about freaking short circuit. I forgot I had a freaking account in here. Well, I like my new one better 'cause I am a 3 star general in that one. Damn it i want POWER!!
Rotor aka Rotorian
Now i gotta remember my new profile password, poop.
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Originally posted by Rotor:
poop.
Test?
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Originally posted by Rotorian:
Test?
AHA!
And Wayne, ay aint getting to 25something ya rat. I will pull the server plug foist.
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Originally posted by Rotorian:
Test?
Oh no, now there's two of them! :eek:
Split personality? ;)
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
Oh no, now there's two of them! :eek:
Split personality? ;)
Maybe hehehe. I dont know how far back this board shows posts, but if it goes far back as beta, look for a couple of posts by profile of Monkey ;).
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Originally posted by Vulcan:
Ahhh the penny finally drops!
<roadkill snipped>
You AW kids are in a new neighbourhood, unfortunately you online persona's don't transfer between MMPOGs - earn your respect the hard way like the rest of us. See ya in the air.
Not true I've been an amazinhunk in every online game so far, so as for "earning" your respect don't count on it dillrod.
Oh and p.s. I started on last April Fools Day in Aces High so I guess I'm not a newbie so I can freely tell all of you whiners to byte me and all of you new AW'ers hi and what took you goobs so long?
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Sheesh ..... and people wonder how the Muslim, Christian, Jew relationship got so heated. Picture it .... 1946 and millions of AWs, survivors of the EAcaust have relocated to AHistine .... only AHistine already has players living there and they don't give a damn about AWish heritage.
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Originally posted by Arlo:
Sheesh ..... and people wonder how the Muslim, Christian, Jew relationship got so heated.
Naaah. Religious division could never get as heated as the divisions between gamers.
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
divisions between gamers.
Come on man, I am barely passing addition and substraction. Now you are going to throw in division?
<runs out of room screaming widly pulling mako's hair out>
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<S> To Grizzly for a great post. I singled out this paragraph to elaborate on. This LAST influx of AW's to AH is the die-hards.
We supported AW just to make sure our friends at Kesmai got PAID. Wiht all of them laid off, and AW dead on it's feet - we can now move on with a clear conscience.
This last group contains the "go down with your ship types" ... The ones with much mettle and little fear. It also contains the Bigweekers... which are prolly the most dangerous "flame warriors" in the entire online world (from sheer experience at the art form, not inherant malice) lacking an enemy, they "spar" amongst themselves for "sport" and score the results on a mental "kill board" with a memory as long as Soloman.
Anyway, all of this last group knew long ago they would come HERE, not Warbirds, if and when AW finally went tits up under EA's "expert" management. And if you read the threads - you know why we'd come to HTC's home and not the corporate abortion of Warbirds.
This last group are hardly "newbies" and never humble... but we make great friends and foes.
I'm already looking forward to the AH CON to meet all my friends old and new....
-W
Originally posted by Grizzly:
But many never left AW until it was shut down and now choose to come here. These players are of strong character (I bet HiTech chuckles at this) and their presence will be felt.
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Hell ... missing the last one in the DFW area is still kinda like a kick in the stomach ... no, wait ... teeth ... nono .... nads. Maybe all three ..... with a noogie ... and a wedgie. Maybe a swirlie as well. (http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s/cwm/cwm/freak3.gif)
Originally posted by Ratbo:
I'm already looking forward to the AH CON to meet all my friends old and new....
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Guys, you *gotta* see the irony of this.
We were lambasted for not understanding the new humor that came to AH threads. Now we'ere being flamed because the newbies don't understand what's been going on here for monnths humour wise. And they were even given a chance to avoid it alltogether.
This is funny.
And, a newbie is a newbie, no matter how good he is. I also believe that it's the "move my online persona and respect etc" ego trip talking in many cases.
Some have now SWulfe on their asses. Just bend over and kiss it goodbye. You're new to this board and have no idea of the tenacity with which the AK'ers will pursue their UBB victims. Accept it, get it over with, and move on :)
Amusing, this :)
Oh,btw: this is an O'CLUB thread. We have a thing called the O'Club - make use of it :)
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Ok, StSanta ...
Before things continue to deteriorate further let me just make one thing clear:
I want an official Red Rider carbine action 200 shot range model air rifle. (http://www.wam.umd.edu/~cpbrown/eyeout1.wav)
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I respectfully dissagree. The O-Club is for off topic stuff. Like when the dood wants to disuss his sex-life as a Patriot (minute man)
But seriously, the death of AW ain't off topic here, it could be the best break, a very worthy group ever got.....
-W
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Some have now SWulfe on their asses. Just bend over and kiss it goodbye. You're new to this board and have no idea of the tenacity with which the AK'ers will pursue their UBB victims. Accept it, get it over with, and move on :)
So true :)
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SWulfe became a non-combatant when =GB= singled out his basic flaw (and choked me to death), and he only gave his sheep a *minute* of his attention. He is what's called "pacified" in combat terms.
AKA, He also came around and got the clues delivered and it's been noted. :)
-W
Originally posted by StSanta:
[Some have now SWulfe on their asses. Just bend over and kiss it goodbye. You're new to this board and have no idea of the tenacity with which the AK'ers will pursue their UBB victims. Accept it, get it over with, and move on :)
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Translated.... I give up.
Originally posted by SWulfe:
[QB]Nevermind, my initial assumption of you people was correct.
-SW
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
<S> To Grizzly for a great post. I singled out this paragraph to elaborate on. This LAST influx of AW's to AH is the die-hards.
For the record, Id've never left had I been able to maintain conx for more than 10 minutes. After 4 months of trying, I gave up. In a sad sorta way, I'm real happy lots of AW's are otw here. EA has been permanently removed from my shopping list.
Tumor
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Guys, you *gotta* see the irony of this.
We were lambasted for not understanding the new humor that came to AH threads. Now we'ere being flamed because the newbies don't understand what's been going on here for monnths humour wise. And they were even given a chance to avoid it alltogether.
This is funny.
And, a newbie is a newbie, no matter how good he is. I also believe that it's the "move my online persona and respect etc" ego trip talking in many cases.
Some have now SWulfe on their asses. Just bend over and kiss it goodbye. You're new to this board and have no idea of the tenacity with which the AK'ers will pursue their UBB victims. Accept it, get it over with, and move on :)
Amusing, this :)
Oh,btw: this is an O'CLUB thread. We have a thing called the O'Club - make use of it :)
StSanta
It's not anywhere near being the misunderstanding of "humor". It's the condescending attitude and outright hostile reaction to the fact "they" are or were "Air Warrior's" combined with the suddenly common insult to Air Warrior in general. A more appropriate (and gentle) response could have been "Hey take a pill, I was kidding"...or something to that effect.
Sure, the initial reaction to the post that started this whole thing was harsh, and undeserved, but who was in the know? Besides that, why did the reaction have to be insulting to the game and community of Air Warrior? IMHO, the answer lies with certain folks harboring resentment because they view the influx as an invasion of what they consider "thier" territory (which is a faulty assumption at best).
There is(was)(will be) bound to be some locking of horns with such a large and sudden merge of two similar but differen't communities. Maybe if a few folks on both sides of the fence (that no longer exists)would attempt a slightly more civil attitude things might be nicer around here.
I propose that we all now join hands and sing Kumbeyah :D
Tumor
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Call me cynical, but the sentiment in this thread is a little bit hysterical, to the point of outright absurdity.
AW was a shrecking game.
AH is a shrecking game.
I'm sorry to sound harsh, but the 'death' of some software hardly warrants the wailing and gnashing of teeth currently exhibited in this thread. Those that are out of work because of the 'demise' of AW have my sympathy, like anyone else made unemployed. But I'm sure they'll sell their obvious talents to someone else.
I like to put things in perspective. Is this really such a big thing in your lives as to warrant such an outcry?
Staga's post was funny. If he had done the same to the eulogy of a person who had died in the WTC disaster, that would have warranted the kind of posts aimed at Staga.
Get a grip! :)
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
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Again dowding you show that you are a tolerant lame leftwing comie scum !
;)
yeah I'm a on liner too :D
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So in short all you aw`erslighten up
i wonder if im gonna get flamed for this :D
This thread showed me that some of you are taking this waaaaay to serious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Dawvgrid
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And wellcome onboard btw :) ,and yes i did play AW once,,,,,,but not much.
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Hi all; been off for a while and came back to find this AH v AW brouhaha. Tempest in a teapot, IMO.
First of all, welcome to the new AH players. I flew AW back in the $6/hr Genie days with Pain Squad for several years. Great game (bad Visa bill!). I think you'll like this one as well.
Second, Funked and Santa are correct. This is a thread that belongs in the O-Club. Not trying to be the BBS police or anything but since it is a UBB board a bit of cooperation on thread placement in the forums helps guys with slow connects to "filter" a bit.
As far as the flamefeasting... well, whatever blows your skirt up.
Cya up there.
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I sense disentment inside the rancks. This will not stand! Ppls must learn to kill each one another in good chear!
not argue like bad ppl.
nO!
That is all.
at EAZE!
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You condescend to newbies. That's what they're there for.
I'm sorry, the latest wave of "AW refugees" might be good sticks, great squadron flyers and the rest from day one, but they are newbies here. And some of the diehards are going to have the hardest time -- for they spent years building up the respect and admiration of the community only to see it all dissolve and be forced to rebuild from nothing. Some will adapt quickly and become treasured members of the AH community. Some will try their hand at it, but never be able to get past their first love. Some will live under the delusion that the AH community is the AW community.
Go back and look at what kicked this off. Read Staga's little comment and this guy Gypsy "Airing the Orchid" Baron's response. Read all of his responses. (For fun, pornolize the first one -- I guarantee the result is revealing)
He comes across as a condescending, prepotent ass. So much so that, especially coming from someone unknown to most of the community (and, sorry, HT is not the guardian of this community any more than BB was), you have to assume it's a joke. Did you AW guys have to put up with this dude?
As for BB and history: well, yes, most of us know the stories of the origins of WB, AH and the rest. Some of us were even there. But until recently, we've all had a chance to be a part of the AW community, and instead we chose AH. And to be quite honest, I think the flight simulation world would be a much better place if we didn't uncritically accept every opinion of BB on MMP environments as the gospel truth.
So to recap:
A. We're sorry about your loss.
B. The "refugees" are now AH pilots, not AW ones, and that means more than a name change -- it means an entirely different culture and community to adjust to. And that, more than any chunk of code or knowledge of flight, makes them newbies.
C. History is a good thing. But it's different from Theology.
Don't be offended if AH players honor AW as Zeus did Chronos.
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Without AW ... and those people who supported it, worked on it, worked for it, and played it in the Dark Days of GEnie .. there would be no WB or AH. Nor a bunch of other games that the AW experience inspired.
You don't need to personally know Adolf Galland to respect what he did. You don't need to personally know BB or GE to respect what they contributed to this gaming genre.
It's a shame AW is gone, but it was inevitable. All things considered.
-DoK
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Well, dok, actually AW did it FIRST, if they hadn't (Fill this space with any developer name)...so, I agree, alot of us have our roots in AW, I respect the original concept, developers from the early days of AW. AW of late? Just another MMOG that was outdated by other superior MMOG's
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Well put, Grizzly...thanks for that input.
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Another name "appears" that carries unquestionable respect in ALL flight sim communities. Of course, filtering some of DoK's "best writings" through the pornalizer wouldn't have the same impact as doing it to BB's. <EG>
<S> DoK
-W
Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
Without AW ... and those people who supported it, worked on it, worked for it, and played it in the Dark Days of GEnie .. there would be no WB or AH. Nor a bunch of other games that the AW experience inspired.
You don't need to personally know Adolf Galland to respect what he did. You don't need to personally know BB or GE to respect what they contributed to this gaming genre.
It's a shame AW is gone, but it was inevitable. All things considered.
-DoK
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Originally posted by Arlo:
Ok, StSanta ...
Before things continue to deteriorate further let me just make one thing clear:
I want an official Red Rider carbine action 200 shot range model air rifle. (http://www.wam.umd.edu/~cpbrown/eyeout1.wav)
No! You'll shot your eye out!
Cod I love that flick... :)
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Originally posted by straffo:
So true :)
Why would ANYONE take SWolfe seriously?
He/she/it has only demonstarted what appears to
be a very predjudiced outlook and a below
average intellect. Shirley, nothing to
fear there.
One thing is clear to me, however, and that is I'm
almost certain I would despise that entity
in real life.
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Call me cynical, but the sentiment in this thread is a little bit hysterical, to the point of outright absurdity.
AW was a shrecking game.
AH is a shrecking game.
</QB>
Well Dowding, your use of the "G" word here
indicates that you don't quite grasp the essence
of what is involved in this thread.
To many of us, what transpires when we log on
and go "flying" IS a "game" but what takes
place in the O'clubs and Big Weeks and other
virtual meeting places of the COMMUNITY is far
more that a "game"...
<QB>
-SNIP-
I like to put things in perspective. Is this really such a big thing in your lives as to warrant such an outcry?
</QB>
I think you should already know the answer to that.
<QB>
Staga's post was funny.
</QB>
No, that is where I take issue. In the context of this thread it was NOT funny.
That was MY opinion ( and apparently that of
some others as well ) and I stated that I
didn't find it funny. I found it offensive.
Not the "dirty words", kee-rist I've been
slapped on the wrist more times than I care to
remember for using them in various forums over
the years, but the ACT of taking THAT
re-post of Blue Barons "text" placed here
under the heading of "A FINAL TRIBUTE" that
I found offensive. It was in BAD TASTE, period!
<QB>
If he had done the same to the eulogy of a person who had died in the WTC disaster, that would have warranted the kind of posts aimed at Staga.
</QB>
Well, again I refer to the passion that many of us
have for our "game" and more importantly our
community and say that the emotions involved
here are on the same par!
<QB>
Get a grip! :)
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
It seems to me that Staga could have done his
own "defense" of his decision to put up his
post here but instead clueless morons personified
here by SWulfe decided to chime in.
Actually, this thread has helped to put some
of the "players" here into the appropiate "bins". Unfortunately, that was NOT the
intent of the original post in this thread.
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I can attest that was *not* the intent of the original post. Alas, that *was* the intent of Rotors trolling though. This whole thing got way out of hand - emotions are running high on all sides right now. All things must pass.
-W
Originally posted by Gypsy Baron:
Actually, this thread has helped to put some
of the "players" here into the appropiate "bins". Unfortunately, that was NOT the
intent of the original post in this thread.
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Originally posted by Dawvgrid:
So in short all you aw`erslighten up
i wonder if im gonna get flamed for this :D
This thread showed me that some of you are taking this waaaaay to serious,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Dawvgrid
You still don't get the overall picture here
I'm afraid...and that's not a criticism of
you or anyone else here.
This thread was started with a serious post
on a serious subject and was IMMEDIATELY
"set upon", for lack of a better characterization,
by someone who was apparently attempting to
be funny.
I didn't find it to be funny and stated that to HIM in a reply to his post.
Apparently entities such as SWulfe found the
need to jump to Stagas defense... a curious
reaction and apparently quite telling.
As to degrees of seriousness, well, there are some
who pays their $$$ and plays their "game" and
that's where their involvement ends.
There are those that become part of the larger
form of the "game", the community. They form
friendships and create foes but they all
hold their "game" and the community to be
something very, very personal. They devote their
own time and energy to supporting the "game"
and helping to build the community.
That is their choice...that is MY choice.
It's not something we take lightly. If we did
we'd just be logging on to "play" and
be gone...
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Right now I'm sitting here itching my nutts wondering "wtf is wrong w/ all these loons?"
Somebody needs to A: drink some beer and/or B: get laid.
xBAT
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Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
Without AW ... and those people who supported it, worked on it, worked for it, and played it in the Dark Days of GEnie .. there would be no WB or AH. Nor a bunch of other games that the AW experience inspired.
You don't need to personally know Adolf Galland to respect what he did. You don't need to personally know BB or GE to respect what they contributed to this gaming genre.
It's a shame AW is gone, but it was inevitable. All things considered.
-DoK
Hello DoK...good to "see" you again.
Thanks for your words of insight ( and not
"incite" ) here :)
You should drop in over at Big Week some time, if you're
not already lurking there.
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Originally posted by batdog:
Right now I'm sitting here itching my nutts wondering "wtf is wrong w/ all these loons?"
Somebody needs to A: drink some beer and/or B: get laid.
xBAT
C: someone needs a can of talcum powder for
that jock itch... :)
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I love the changing of my name to SheWulfe.. it's quite humorous. Here, let me have a go.
GimpyBaron = GypsyBaron
Stupor = Tumor
Retardo = Ratbo
StupidLosa' = Montezuma
Ass = Aub
Ahh, you tards are so unimaginitive.
BlueBaron was in WarBirds you say? I never saw him. The only time I saw anything closely resembling him was the blue voodoo doll with pins stuck in it in his cubby hole in the tower.
I know who Kesmai is, I know that they created Air Warrior in the mid '80s to run on 286s/386s. They eventually got it ported to Windows when Windows 95 came out. Somewhere along the lines, HiTech reversed engineered the game so he could go off and create his own. HiTech and crew formed ICI, and joined teams with DoMark. They created COnfirmed Kill. DoMark split off with ICI because of some legal battle, and in the end DoMark got the terrain engine and the name. ICI got everything else.
Eventually WarBirds got a new terrain engine and the new name, forming WBv.92. Several years later, AirWarrior got itself a 3D engine and was renamed Air Warrior 3D- but still had the old basic underlying code in there. WarBirds adopts a 3D engine as well along the way. HiTech and his fellow business people here create Aces High after they leave iEN (which was iMOL at some point) and iEN stays with WarBirds. They make some updates and work on WarBirds III.
Now, here we are today- Air Warrior announces it's demise in the next month.
What part of the "history" am I missing that is so very important I should know?
I don't care about scores, I care about fun. History lessons do not enhance my fun here, nor do they entrigue me when I know the basics of what happened in the past.
So, in conclusion- why don't ya'll go get that stick surgically removed from your ass.
Oh, and one last thing- I did ask Gypsy Baron to lighten up. It never happened.
Maybe you should actually read this entire thread before adding anymore ignorant remarks.
And yes, this is ME vs. all of you in this thread. You took it upon yourselves to attack me, so when you smell the aroma of irony- perhaps you could respectfully kiss my ass.
-SW
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Swulf already got laid. And told us all about it. <yawn>
-W
Originally posted by batdog:
Right now I'm sitting here itching my nutts wondering "wtf is wrong w/ all these loons?"
Somebody needs to A: drink some beer and/or B: get laid.
xBAT
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Retardo = Ratbo
-SW
Now wait a cotton picking minute here. If you are going to insult, please get yer ducks in a row. I AM Retardo, or was that Rotardo? Anyways close enough for infringement rights. Now if ya wanna call Ratbo a ducklovinghowardsternlookalik efluffyimitatingfallingasleep atconsoffriendscanmakefunofhi mandhavepicturestoprove person.
Well, that is fine by me.
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Grizzly,
Thank you for that excellent post. You are a wise man.
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As for this thread belonging in OClub, Well that may or may not be true. All these posts talking of the merging of AW to AH are a big deal for AH as a Whole. Thats right on topic if you ask me.
I think some of these posts will start to be posted in the Oclub as they have less bearing on AH. I will take your suggestion as nudges in that direction rather than flames.
This Still reminds me of 1066. The Normans had a large influence on the history of england. The Saxons didnt like it much. I bet the AWers will have a big affect here.
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Originally posted by Dowding:
[Get a grip! :)
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ][/QB]
Get a clue
:p
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Guys, I just re-read this thread. Seems it started out good, went bad after a joke was taken the wrong way. And then went down the crapper after that.
SWulfe is a good guy, he just don't take any crap on the bulletin board. I know, I've been into it with him before, many times.
If you're going to spar with SW, you need to have a plan. So far you guys have just posted one-liners and filler.
SW has layed it all out for ya there and all you can do is call him she-wulfe?
SW-6
AW rookies-0
:)
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You don't referee for a livin' do ya, Cdr. Rialbh? ;)
btw: It's not worth frettin' over. I don't figure anything else posted in BigWeek will find it's way over here anytime soon (unless Westy decides to Google it over). That should make everyone happy. :D
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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LOL, ain't that the truth Hblair :D SW's a good bloke overall. You will NEVER win a battle of text with him, sorry, many have tried, many have, well, logged in disgust! :p
Anyway, the lead post in the thread was about AW. Any posts that begin speaking about another sim simply belongs in the officers club. Pyro has posted before on this BBS to go ahead and speak of other sims freely but to do it in the OC.
Just for the record!
Pyro's message (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=005984)
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I'm not after you Swulf... so now you can rest easy at night as the mighty xBAT is a fearful thing... :p ;Heh <S>
xBAT
P.S. Oh and welcome AW'rs, enjoy AH its a good game with good people.
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"You will NEVER win a battle of text with him, sorry, many have tried, many have, well, logged in disgust!"
Awww, hell ... that's just pig-headedness.
:D
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Originally posted by Arlo:
"You will NEVER win a battle of text with him, sorry, many have tried, many have, well, logged in disgust!"
Awww, hell ... that's just pig-headedness.
:D
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Arlo figured it out too soon! ;)
<S> all!
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Actually, it was Kurt Tank who invented massively multiplayer online flight sims.
roflmao
:eek:
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If he's your best "word warrior", you guys might enjoy the show yet. :)
And for those that are reading disabled the lead post was DIRECTLY corrallated to Aces High. Just reading the header is kinda like getting the newspaper and reading only the comics.
-W
Originally posted by Ripsnort:
LOL, ain't that the truth Hblair :D SW's a good bloke overall. You will NEVER win a battle of text with him, sorry, many have tried, many have, well, logged in disgust! :p
Anyway, the lead post in the thread was about AW. Any posts that begin speaking about another sim simply belongs in the officers club. Pyro has posted before on this BBS to go ahead and speak of other sims freely but to do it in the OC.
Just for the record!
Pyro's message (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=005984)
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Here's the forum header:
Aces High General Discussion
Open forum for the general discussion of Aces High
I don't see where the first post is directly related to AH. In fact, other than this comment:
he makes reference to Hi-Tech makes note of a fact that should give us all hope for a LONG life for AH. Dale has already been burned (with Warbirds) by corporate idiots ruining his vision and has the chance here to not suffer that fate again. GOOD!
there is no mention of AH.
So, yes, I believe this was definitely an O-Club thread. No big deal really; it happens all the time.
The AW community was a very tightly knit bunch when I played and I'm sure it remained that way to the end.
I'll suggest to you that AH, although only 2 years old, also has a pretty tightly woven community fabric.
One thing I always remind myself of going into a new situation: A person only gets one chance to make a first impression.
It's pretty clear some first impressions have been made on both sides of the fence.
I'll close out with some good advice somebody gave me back in my AW days: "Let your guns do your talking". :)
Hey, anybody know where old Phantom, the founder of Pain Squad ended up?
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Let me get this thing straight.
If,someday, say, Ford Motors dissapears as a company (for any reason, it doesnt mind), I should mourn the company, and drop some tears at some directive's or designer's speech,because if it wasn't for the company's Model T (about 100years ago), I won't be driving the car I do now?.
lol
Stop looking our own belly, AW-ers. Had not been AW the first MMOG, other would've gotten its place sooner or later. And maybe now we'd not be here in AH, but in another MMOG flight sim.
I'm sorry to see AW dissapearing. But so much pomposity is really stupid.
And I found Staga's post funny, mind you :P
[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Toad, I'm not gonna flame you, but there is prolly *nothing* more relevant to AH *at the moment* than the death of AW. The money, community, and talent, about to decend on AH is extraordinary.
Passes out clue: The "hidden meaning" in that post is that AW died for specific reasons and *none* of those reasons are present here in HTC land. Secondarily to that was the chance for locals to use that post to find out about our mindset and ways. Lastly a list of AW superlatives - who - if they show up here, will prolly bring thier bounty of goodwill to AH.
At any other moment in History - I would agree with you about the O-club. But *this week* AW *is* the big news at AH. Capish?
-W
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
At any other moment in History - I would agree with you about the O-club. But *this week* AW *is* the big news at AH. Capish?
-W
Seems last 2 weeks, not just last one. Take a look at rotor's thread (the one with 260 posts).
Oh, that is big does not mean its related with AH. AH is a MMOG flight sim. AW was ANOTHER MMOG Flight sim.
There finish the relation. Off-topic thread.
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
I love the changing of my name to SheWulfe.. it's quite humorous. Here, let me have a go.
GimpyBaron = GypsyBaron
Stupor = Tumor
Retardo = Ratbo
StupidLosa' = Montezuma
Ass = Aub
Ahh, you tards are so unimaginitive.
I'm offended...I didn't get a new name.
Listen up princess...your backpeddling to the point of "I never meant to offend anyone" is pathetic. Staga got his hand slapped for being rude when a heartfelt post from a dominant figure of flightsim history was defamed...you jumped in with your fat hole and became a spittling, sputtering, splendiforous target for every member of the Airwarrior community with your "this is MY community" attitude.
What you fail to realize is about 50% (rough estimate...probably more) of the people here CAME from Airwarrior or at one point in time played the game and a majority of them actually played the game during beta long before you figured out how to calibrate your joystick. Most of these people are our friends and have been so for almost a DECADE more than you have known them.
That post wasn't meant for him or YOU to comment on...it was meant for the people that KNOW flightsim history...
So what you should have done was STFU and sit in the corner like the good little AOL chatroom graduate that you are.
I never said that I'd been playing the game longer than you...because I wasn't IN the game when I said it now...was I handsomehunk?
I was on this board from the beginning...keeping in touch with my friends that moved to AH from AW. I watched pinheads like you when they first got here acting like the snotsucking little whiner you're being now. Most of them grew out of it and learned that the world doesn't revolve around their kill ratio. Obviously the only thing you've learned is that "y0r r33l33 GuD aT FlyT5imz"
You're akin to a first grader on the playground...well...it's recess and here come the 6th graders...kindly go hide yourself behind the seesaw where you belong.
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I'm catholic and don't know a rats bellybutton about buddism, But I gaurrantee I piss on one of their Idols, I'm in for a rash of toejam! and I will get what i deserve, Me not knowing or caring about their religion is no excuse.
Also the influx of Aw'ers IS happening, NOW they are AH'ers, But carry with them their traditions, Sorry but thats the facts.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Blue Mako:
So every new product in every existing market owes it's existence to the original? I don't think so... Just because a product/game/service/whatever breaks new ground means we need to credit it with creating everything that follows??? Do you credit Henry Ford with creating a Hyundai or a Mercedes?
Can none of you grasp that AH is NOT AW???
Who cares if HT was part of AW before? Who cares if AW existed? I don't. Why? Because I have never played AW. I play AH. That is not a flame on guys who do care, I am stating what I feel.
People who come into this BBS (which is setup for discussion of Aces High btw), trying to tell me who I should respect and who I shouldn't, should maybe stop a second and think about how they would respond to the same.
[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: Blue Mako ]
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Originally posted by Brat:
I'm offended...I didn't get a new name.
Dunno how I could miss you avacado. There you got your name.
Originally posted by Brat:
Listen up princess...your backpeddling to the point of "I never meant to offend anyone" is pathetic. Staga got his hand slapped for being rude when a heartfelt post from a dominant figure of flightsim history was defamed...you jumped in with your fat hole and became a spittling, sputtering, splendiforous target for every member of the Airwarrior community with your "this is MY community" attitude.
Oh, I'm not back peddling at all. Where have I gone back on what I have said? No where. Not once. Maybe illiteracy passes for intelligence where you come from, but your ineptitude at comprehending a single word I say has been shown before and it is being shown again.
Got it?
Originally posted by Brat:
What you fail to realize is about 50% (rough estimate...probably more) of the people here CAME from Airwarrior or at one point in time played the game and a majority of them actually played the game during beta long before you figured out how to calibrate your joystick. Most of these people are our friends and have been so for almost a DECADE more than you have known them.
I know many of the Aces High players came from Air Warrior. Notice the came from, not coming from. It's the ones accompanying you and the rest of those involved in this thread which have succeeded in making the loudest and most obnoxious entrance to a game where you all are now the new crowd.
Originally posted by Brat:
That post wasn't meant for him or YOU to comment on...it was meant for the people that KNOW flightsim history...
Ah, your illiteracy is showing it's foolish head again. Not once did I comment on what Ratbo posted here by Blue Baron. I replied to someone who said something later on. Perhaps you should learn to read before you start skimming through things.
Originally posted by Brat:
So what you should have done was STFU and sit in the corner like the good little AOL chatroom graduate that you are.
What you should do is back the f*ck up and start paying attention. I can comment on any f*cking thing I want on this f*cking message board. In case you didn't know, this is for Aces High players and this IS the Aces High General Discussion for those players. Any customer of Aces High can comment on any f*cking thing he wants.
Originally posted by Brat:
I never said that I'd been playing the game longer than you...because I wasn't IN the game when I said it now...was I handsomehunk?
Take a lesson from yourself, stop back peddling it just makes you look like a tard. You said you've been here longer. You haven't, you have shown your self on the UBB only twice since I've been here. You've been in the game once since I've been here. Being first doesn't mean you come almost never and are gone all the time.
Originally posted by Brat:
I was on this board from the beginning...keeping in touch with my friends that moved to AH from AW. I watched pinheads like you when they first got here acting like the snotsucking little whiner you're being now. Most of them grew out of it and learned that the world doesn't revolve around their kill ratio. Obviously the only thing you've learned is that "y0r r33l33 GuD aT FlyT5imz"
Ah, must be some translation problem between English to Bratardism- I have not once mentioned my l33t scores or kill ratio. Yet twice it's been brought up in this thread. You know what toejam for brains, it hasn't been me whining in this thread. Indeed, it has been you and your kindling whining that I should acknowledge your history and respect your ways.
If I've learned anything, it's that big bad tulips like you on the UBB are actually big ol' dorks in real life that use the UBB as the means to act tuff. What, with the name calling and stuff. Must be hard living the life of a loser in the real world, but coming here to be a big ol' bad bellybutton because someone says something you can't agree with.
Originally posted by Brat:
You're akin to a first grader on the playground...well...it's recess and here come the 6th graders...kindly go hide yourself behind the seesaw where you belong.
Your analogies astound me. I'm absolutely amazed that you could think of something so intelligent, considering your reading ability is sub-kindergartner.
Listen avacado, if you can ever get your head out of your bellybutton so that the odor you are constantly smelling isn't your own toejam- then maybe, just maybe you could buy yourself a clue and realise whatever community you had in Air Warrior doesn't transfer immediately to the new game you are playing. Nor does your online personality or whatever UBB prowess you have adopted over there. Here, half of us don't know who the hell you are- and when you realise that Aces High is made up of people from several different games then perhaps it'll sink in that to me, and many others here playing this game, you are nobody!!
-SW
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SWulfe since it seems to be convention to nickname people here - I got one for you.
You'll like it - it's Patriotic.
Minuteman
-W
Originally posted by SWulfe:
<namegame blather snipped>
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Hey, waaaiiit a second. This doesn't look like a tribute thread at all! Say, why don't ya'll shyaddup and go fly a little.
SOB
PS...SWulfe is about as scary as a 12-year-old girl with pig tails, and Gypsy Baron smells like, well, a Gypsy. (http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/otn/funny/moon.gif)
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
SWulfe since it seems to be convention to nickname people here - I got one for you.
Hate to break it to you, but it was a tradition from your AW buddies that I adopted.
-SW
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It *was* a nice little thread, really it was.
Then someone pissed in the wheaties (as he's prone to do) and then =GB= went off on him (as he's prone to do) and well.....
-W
Originally posted by SOB:
(http://www.matthoffman.cc/bb/lightbulb.gif)
Hey, waaaiiit a second. This doesn't look like a tribute thread at all! Say, why don't ya'll shyaddup and go fly a little.
SOB
PS...SWulfe is about as scary as a 12-year-old girl with pig tails, and Gypsy Baron smells like, well, a Gypsy. (http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/otn/funny/moon.gif)
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Originally posted by NUTTZ:
I'm catholic and don't know a rats bellybutton about buddism, But I gaurrantee I piss on one of their Idols, I'm in for a rash of toejam! and I will get what i deserve, Me not knowing or caring about their religion is no excuse.
Also the influx of Aw'ers IS happening, NOW they are AH'ers, But carry with them their traditions, Sorry but thats the facts.
NUTTZ
I get what you're saying NUTTZ and I would just like to carry your analogy just one step further: If the Buddhists had dragged one of their idols into a Catholic church and expected you to worship/respect it even though you didn't have a clue as to it's meaning, what would be your reaction?
What I was trying to do in my post was get some of the people posting in this thread to think about the reaction of people who are not aware of the AW past, nor particularly care. Some of us are here to play a game and hang out on the BBS as part of that experience. Having the new guys on the block come into the game/BBS and try to tell me what/who I should respect is unreasonable IMO. Not that any of them (except grizzly) have bothered to try to understand anyway...
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
it was a tradition from your AW buddies that I adopted.
-SW
Outstanding! Come on, give into darkside young SheepWart...err...SmallWeen.. .err...SkyWalker? Ok, ok I give up, what was it again?
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Hell ... this looks like it'll be another "Ubbie award winning 200 post +" thread (kinda average size in BigWeek). I just wish it deviated from the topic more in both the degree and number of direction (like in BigWeek). Not enough heat either. Or pRon pictures to go with the pRonolizer thingie.
What? What do you mean this isn't BigWeek? :rolleyes: :D
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That doesn't change the facts behind YOU'RE new name now does it, Mr. I gotta stop posting to get laid.... <snork>
-W
QUOTE]Originally posted by SWulfe:
Hate to break it to you, but it was a tradition from your AW buddies that I adopted.
-SW[/QUOTE]
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*YOUR*
(saving someone the trouble) :)
-W
Originally posted by Ratbo:
[QB]That doesn't change the facts behind YOU'RE new name now does it, Mr. I gotta stop posting to get laid.... <snork>
-W
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YEa, well grizzly does have a way with words :) Some have a knee jerk reaction. I don't think, Both "sides" intented it to end up this BB post like this. I made the transistion to AH since one of the first days ( althoug my name was ScruU in the first days) I think i said it in my other post about Blue Baron, His Canvas is his words. And He was looked up to by many AW'ers AND AH'ers. I consider myself An AH'er and I was offended by the Pornutilzer or whatever it is, NOT by the words themselves but it's content and "this is what he ment to say"! Nah, Blue Barons words were WHAT he ment to say.
AS far as people thinking Us vs. them, nah i don't see that line in the sand either. The 33rd came to AH from AW the First day as many others did, and paid accounts when AH probably needed the money the most. I don't feel threatened by the new influx of AW'ers, Infact i welcome them. But , they do bring quite a story and passion with them. As in AH, some I didn't get along with and some I do. And just like AW, I will make new friends and hopefully No enemies from this new growd into AH. Infact many already had freinds and squads that already flew here. Both communties were intertwined more than most know. I hold no grudges against any member of the AH community.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Blue Mako:
I get what you're saying NUTTZ and I would just like to carry your analogy just one step further: If the Buddhists had dragged one of their idols into a Catholic church and expected you to worship/respect it even though you didn't have a clue as to it's meaning, what would be your reaction?
What I was trying to do in my post was get some of the people posting in this thread to think about the reaction of people who are not aware of the AW past, nor particularly care. Some of us are here to play a game and hang out on the BBS as part of that experience. Having the new guys on the block come into the game/BBS and try to tell me what/who I should respect is unreasonable IMO. Not that any of them (except grizzly) have bothered to try to understand anyway...
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> *YOUR*
> (saving someone the trouble)
Sigh...there goes my entrance.
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It isn't so much about the product, it's about the community.
I quit flying Air warrior back in 1997, but I never lost touch with the community after I stopped playing the game. I remember when CK started and all the excitement (and dissapointment) about it, then came WB and the temporary hell it created for all the squads, some of which completely left AW and others like that just opened up "chapters" in the other sims. You have to realize that the AW community was the only online multiplayer combat flight sim community.....period. With the newer sims that came along, most of that same community expanded into a general community that encompassed all of the available flight sims. As sad as the demise of AW is, I think it will eventually bring many of the older simmers back together. I like the fact that I see alot of things in AH that came from AW or are similar to AW. The sheep, the terms ("dar" , "cons", "dot's","drunks", "vulch"..... Hell, the "uterus" map is VERY similar to the old DOS AW small arena.
Just in this thread I am "seeing" people I haven't "seen" for a very long time. That's pretty cool. Yeah, if AW hadn't been the first something else would have come along sooner or later, but what if it WAS later? Where would we all be today?
I have to say that I have gotten the feeling (and I may be mistaken here) that some of the people who say they don't care about AW or the likes of Blue Baron or that they think that all the AW vets are snobs, are really just upset that they were not part of the larger/older community from way back when. I hope they get over it. Yes, the "vets" of the older sims are new to AH, and yes, they will have to re-learn how to fly and fight. They are in the same position as you were in when you were new. Enjoy it while it lasts. Then be happy that there will be a larger pool of talented opponents to fly against. Here is your chance to shape the AH community as it changes (which is inevitible).
Or, you can do your best to drive them all away with a "us against them" mentality, it's up to you.
Oh well, enough with my ramblings......
StuB
Originally posted by R4M:
Let me get this thing straight.
If,someday, say, Ford Motors dissapears as a company (for any reason, it doesnt mind), I should mourn the company, and drop some tears at some directive's or designer's speech,because if it wasn't for the company's Model T (about 100years ago), I won't be driving the car I do now?.
lol
Stop looking our own belly, AW-ers. Had not been AW the first MMOG, other would've gotten its place sooner or later. And maybe now we'd not be here in AH, but in another MMOG flight sim.
I'm sorry to see AW dissapearing. But so much pomposity is really stupid.
And I found Staga's post funny, mind you :P
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
Mr. I gotta stop posting to get laid.... <snork>
[/QB][/QUOTE]
SW,
How long do you think it's gonna take 'em to work out that you weren't the one who posted about their <ahem> friend? :rolleyes:
C'mon Ratbo, you can do better than to poke fun at something someone else posted. Making a flame this lame just makes you look like a geek.
SW - 12
Others - 0
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Mako, I get that he didn't do it. (piss on the BB post) He just jumped in like a ton of bricks and made for an *easy* weenie roast.
As for the other thing... You *are* what you post.
He obviously wanted us to know *what* he was up to... that's worthy of remembrance.
-W
ofthelongmemoryofstupidpostst ribe
Originally posted by Blue Mako:
SW,
How long do you think it's gonna take 'em to work out that you weren't the one who posted about their <ahem> friend? :rolleyes:
C'mon Ratbo, you can do better than to poke fun at something someone else posted. Making a flame this lame just makes you look like a geek.
SW - 12
Others - 0
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Hi Quarters.
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
Mako, I get that he didn't do it.
That just makes the flame even lamer.
On second thoughts, forget it. If you have to resort to using silly names and other peoples posts to come back at someone then I guess you just aren't in the big time yet. I know 5 year olds that can make up better come backs.
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It was his *own* post where he told the whole world about his sex life.
That's fair game.... He's kinda like the school kid that says "No really I did! Smell my finger!"
-W
Originally posted by Blue Mako:
That just makes the flame even lamer.
On second thoughts, forget it. If you have to resort to using silly names and other peoples posts to come back at someone then I guess you just aren't in the big time yet. I know 5 year olds that can make up better come backs.
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My cat's breath smells like cat food.
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
LA LA LA LA
That was a rough outline of history, SuckWulfe.
Let's use a very-poor analogy, because it seems like I am dragging HT through the dirt, which I aint:
SWulfe was born and was picked on by kids in elementary school. He made some friends, but due to the general ass-like behavior being exhibited at a young age, the teasing started. He split to go to middle school to start over.
SWulfe went to middle school and high school, and found the teasing get worse. He tried to conceal his true self, but couldnt.
Why was SWulfe such an ass? What provoked him? What comments did he make to become so hated?
What is between the lines is what we're talking about. Who knows what HT was thinking, but we're sure the great bonds he formed in AW had something to do with it. Everyone is one big community, as someone said up-stream. AW was the first: and people split from that to form new communities. People joined those communities which link back to Air Warrior and its roots.
Aub
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
I know 5 year olds that can make up better come backs.
Of course you do, you're Austrailian.
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
It was his *own* post where he told the whole world about his sex life.
Ummm you'll have to quote it then because I didn't see that in any of SW posts. Staga made the crack and you start throwing it at SW, lame, lame, lame. Look if making stuff up is really the best you can do then I'll have to revise my score.
SW - 12
Others - Not even in the running.
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Originally posted by Otter:
Of course you do, you're Austrailian.
There is only ONE i in Australian. Sheesh, I guess I will have to look to 5 year old help for these guys, they can't even spell...
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
It was his *own* post where he told the whole world about his sex life.
I sure hope you don't mean me. I really really hope you don't mean me.
Why? Because if you could read at an 8th grade level- you would clearly see it was Staga who posted about his sex life.
Illiteracy rate just keeps going up and up with you fellas.
-SW
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Originally posted by Ralph Wiggums:
My cat's breath smells like cat food.
LOL
"Yaaaaay, sleep! Sleep is where I get to be a viking!"
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I just want everyone to see my cool sheep thing that Blue Mako & Westy helped me figure out how to post.
Mosca
(http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=56701&a=13794135&p=56020813)
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
It was his *own* post where he told the whole world about his sex life.
That's fair game.... He's kinda like the school kid that says "No really I did! Smell my finger!"
-W
Heya again kids.
Now excuse me but where did I talk about sex ?
You boys have nasty mouths and dirty thoughts. I hope you burn in hell.
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2 MORE POSTS TO REACH 200!
LET'S GO!!!
Aub
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hmm kinda like shooting ducks in a pond, Welcome to the big league anyway :D
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I AM NUMBER 200!!
WHOOOOO!
Aub
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Hmm this doesn't make any sense but guess thats why it fits to this thread.
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Staga's at bat. Here's the pitch! Staga hits himself in the head with the bat! What's this? He's demanding to take the base! Oh these Finnish Baseball League rules! ;)
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Arlo, all the action was over about 100 posts ago, pity ya missed it... Everybody's gone home now...
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Everyone but you and me, eh, kid? Damn the bars close early over here. ;)
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
Toad, I'm not gonna flame you, but there is prolly *nothing* more relevant to AH *at the moment* than the death of AW.
Not going to flame me? Should I be flamed for posting without resorting to ad hominem attacks or playing the " obscene name game"?
Or shouid I be flamed simply because I disagree with your premise?
In any event, I'll not be forgetting this great kindness you do me sorr! Yer 'umble servant, sorr!
Originally posted by Ratbo:
The money, community, and talent, about to decend on AH is extraordinary.
As has been pointed out, many of us were part of that commnunity for quite some time. So, we're mostly aware of who's coming over; I recognize a lot of the names in this thread. However, it's pretty obvious we all left for some reason as well. There's quite a bit of money, community and talent already in place here; this game is and has been quite successful from the beginning.
While your group may understandably be proud of what your are bringing to AH, please accept that some AH folks may be understandably proud of what HTC and this community has built here in just two short years.
Originally posted by Ratbo:
Passes out clue: The "hidden meaning" in that post is that AW died for specific reasons and *none* of those reasons are present here in HTC land.
Sorry, what I see in that post is BB's "Farewll Address To The Faithful."
Not quite as stirring as MacArthur's "Old Soldier" speech at West Point but not too bad. Nonetheless, it's rightfully an O-Club thing.
It was already on the BigWeek board right? So all those who would truly be interested and were involved probably saw it already?
Originally posted by Ratbo:
...But *this week* AW *is* the big news at AH. Capish? -W
Speaking only for myself, I think you flatter yourself/yourselves a bit too much, actually. I'm quite sure that the infusion of more players is a good thing for AH and the game and community will benefit eventually. I say "eventually" because from what I'm seeing at present there is no attempt to blend the communities. The one that is already here is comfortable; the one coming in seems to want to suddenly transplant itself with the same status it had a different game. Bound to be friction, as we've seen. I'm sure it'll work out.
Oh, yeah... generally speaking, anytime I see someone get a BBS "opponent" to resort to "ad hominem" arguments, I figure that's an instant loss for the guy using the "ad hominem" approach. Same for the "obscene name game" technique; vulgarity is always the first response of the unimaginative, don't you agree?
In any event, this thread is long enough, so I'm out. Bottom line... it's an O-Club topic.
Have a nice thread! Enjoy AH! :D
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Hiyas DoK... great to hear from you =o)
It was the same in AW, many there who knew not of whence came their game of choice, not that they didn't care, but they hadn't really thought about it. And how can they be expected to know that something grand lies beneath the surface in a world where uncaring factories stamp out cold, heartless games for the brain dead masses.
Those days or yore would be forgotten without a tear at its passing if it were left to the uninitiated. So few know about the glory and the shame, the hate and the love that so binds the most bitter of enemies, and closest friends (both being inclusive). The tears of sorrow and laughter, the doings of the evil ones, the arping of the seals, the mbahahaha-ing of the sheep, the passing of the dweebs, and the origin of it all. The grand stories that go unread and the great story tellers that have been silent too long. And all that passed with an honor that few can properly describe, Blue Baron being one to capture it best.
All of these things must be retold to all who would listen, for few here realise that it is this more than all else that set us apart from Fighter Ace. It is our heritage.
Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
Without AW ... and those people who supported it, worked on it, worked for it, and played it in the Dark Days of GEnie .. there would be no WB or AH. Nor a bunch of other games that the AW experience inspired.
You don't need to personally know Adolf Galland to respect what he did. You don't need to personally know BB or GE to respect what they contributed to this gaming genre.
It's a shame AW is gone, but it was inevitable. All things considered.
-DoK
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It really sucks to target the wrong enema.
:)
LET THAT BE A LESSON TO YA!!! :p
-W
Originally posted by Staga:
Heya again kids.
Now excuse me but where did I talk about sex ?
You boys have nasty mouths and dirty thoughts. I hope you burn in hell.
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See above....
<all S dweebs look alike to me? >
I'll get you my pretty... and your little dog too....!!!!
-W
Originally posted by SWulfe:
I sure hope you don't mean me. I really really hope you don't mean me.
Why? Because if you could read at an 8th grade level- you would clearly see it was Staga who posted about his sex life.
Illiteracy rate just keeps going up and up with you fellas.
-SW
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Originally posted by Toad:
Oh, yeah... generally speaking, anytime I see someone get a BBS "opponent" to resort to "ad hominem" arguments, I figure that's an instant loss for the guy using the "ad hominem" approach. Same for the "obscene name game" technique; vulgarity is always the first response of the unimaginative, don't you agree?
In any event, this thread is long enough, so I'm out. Bottom line... it's an O-Club topic.
Have a nice thread! Enjoy AH! :D
roadkill you frog wannabe. 3,000+ posts make you the one who decides what goes where on an unmoderated board?
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Originally posted by straffo:
So true :)
For SW and DJV.
Don't take it personnal I've almost allways enjoyed your twin incarnation ,even if it's to put my nose in my "censored" ;)
My intent was not to make a personal attack.
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Your analogies astound me. I'm absolutely amazed that you could think of something so intelligent, considering your reading ability is sub-kindergartner.
LAME
Listen avacado, if you can ever get your head out of your bellybutton so that the odor you are constantly smelling isn't your own toejam-
then maybe,
LAMER
just maybe you could buy yourself a clue and realise whatever community you had in Air Warrior doesn't transfer immediately to the new game you are playing.
Actually...I've chosen not to play this game...As much as I like HiTech and the rest of the crew here...I just can't stomache having to deal with cocky little teenagers like you all night...talking up a storm about how they layed this hot blonde when they impressed her with their flightsim prowess.
Nor does your online personality or whatever UBB prowess you have adopted over there. Here, half of us don't know who the hell you are- and when you realise that Aces High is made up of people from several different games then perhaps it'll sink in that to me, and many others here playing this game, you are nobody!!
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My "online personality" was here before you were...I was there and flying in the beta. I was posting on this board and in the arenas before you were here. That clear enough for ya? This isn't my "online personality" from AW numbnuts...as for being a nobody...I can see the hundreds of hands raising in their approval. Yes...I see the millions standing behind the one man that took a stand against the evil AW empire. Put a cork in it slipknot...you're speech is making we lose my lunch.
Gotta love a dumbshit who spends so much time telling me how unintelligent I am but fails to spell the word realize correctly...not once...but twice. Almost as entertaining as your potty flames.
Listen up halfwit..just because someone wasn't in the game when YOU were here...doesn't mean they weren't here before you...you ignorant pathetic pimplepopping excuse for the day after pill.
I've seen better flames arise from the bowels of a bowl of ice cream. Get some new material instead of the 10 yearold outdated comebacks you're tripping over like a streptoccocus mule with an ingrown tail.
Twat..how original...four letters and it ends with "at"...you learn that on the playground today with Johnny? I see you've actually managed to put together 3 letters of the F word...what's wrong..couldn't remember that fourth letter?
You whiney sniveling little pleeb...posturing yourself on this board like you're some king toejam flame artist because a couple of potato heads think saying "poo poo head" is considered some type of defamation of character. Listen twizzler dick...everything you say to me...I've heard a hundred times...several years ago...by someone more intelligent...more dramatic...and with a hell of a lot more style than you.
I've been forced to deal with pychotics in NG's that would make you blow bubbles out of your mouth like a teething 2 yearold. You don't phase me because you can punctuate a sentence with a four letter word...because all you're doing is copying what I did 4 years ago.
Read the signature retard...maybe you'll figure it out someday...maybe not...it has more than four letters.
Ps.
How many times do you have to edit your post to correct all your grammar mistakes to keep from looking like a complete ass? You missed a couple...handsomehunk.
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"Actually...I've chosen not to play this game...As much as I like HiTech and the rest of the crew here..."
Place on the Squad waiting for ya.
Oh, in case I forget....
"your"
YMMV
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Originally posted by Brat:
My "online personality" was here before you were...I was there and flying in the beta. I was posting on this board and in the arenas before you were here. That clear enough for ya? This isn't my "online personality" from AW numbnuts...as for being a nobody...I can see the hundreds of hands raising in their approval. Yes...I see the millions standing behind the one man that took a stand against the evil AW empire. Put a cork in it slipknot...you're speech is making we lose my lunch.
Gotta love a dumbshit who spends so much time telling me how unintelligent I am but fails to spell the word realize correctly...not once...but twice. Almost as entertaining as your potty flames.
Listen up halfwit..just because someone wasn't in the game when YOU were here...doesn't mean they weren't here before you...you ignorant pathetic pimplepopping excuse for the day after pill.
I've seen better flames arise from the bowels of a bowl of ice cream. Get some new material instead of the 10 yearold outdated comebacks you're tripping over like a streptoccocus mule with an ingrown tail.
Twat..how original...four letters and it ends with "at"...you learn that on the playground today with Johnny? I see you've actually managed to put together 3 letters of the F word...what's wrong..couldn't remember that fourth letter?
You whiney sniveling little pleeb...posturing yourself on this board like you're some king toejam flame artist because a couple of potato heads think saying "poo poo head" is considered some type of defamation of character. Listen twizzler dick...everything you say to me...I've heard a hundred times...several years ago...by someone more intelligent...more dramatic...and with a hell of a lot more style than you.
I've been forced to deal with pychotics in NG's that would make you blow bubbles out of your mouth like a teething 2 yearold. You don't phase me because you can punctuate a sentence with a four letter word...because all you're doing is copying what I did 4 years ago.
Read the signature retard...maybe you'll figure it out someday...maybe not...it has more than four letters.
Ps.
How many times do you have to edit your post to correct all your grammar mistakes to keep from looking like a complete ass? You missed a couple...handsomehunk.
:confused: uhhhm...pSychotic
Tumor <ducks and runs like mad> :D
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wtf
200+ replies already?
you're just boosting rotors ego
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BOOST!
call me lazy but i didnt even read the post. so if someone can reply a sum of all these post im sure i wont read it.
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C'mon Brat... there are weenies EVERYWHERE. And overall I've found the weenie ratio here to be VERY tolerable. (Ya gotta remember that weenies are inherantly more VOCAL)
Had I not started this thread - I wouldda punched out of it LONG ago, as it wasn't *supposed* to be a troll for 200+ or something.
-W
Originally posted by Brat:
[QB]
Actually...I've chosen not to play this game...As much as I like HiTech and the rest of the crew here...I just can't stomache having to deal with cocky little teenagers like you all night...talking up a storm about how they layed this hot blonde when they impressed her with their flightsim prowess
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I would take my time to reply to you Brat, but that was the most incoherrant jibberish with unfounded assumptions that it would make an English professor go "hmmmm..."
When you learn more words and can get past calling people who aren't teenagers, teens and pimple popping whatevers- then perhaps you'll get treated like a man.
Until then, you are simply a sad pathetic excuse for a personality.
-SW
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
(Ya gotta remember that weenies are inherantly more VOCAL)
Yup, and notice how vocal you AW weenies are in this thread?
That includes you.
-SW
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Jesus Christ on a pogo stick!
Look, I'm glad to see the AW crowd here. I hope more are on the way. Its going to take some adjustment and time but it'll all work out.
I DO think GB should take that big corncob out of his bellybutton though and lighten up a bit. And while I have a great respect for BB and the contributions he's made, I find the borderline pagan idol worship a little...creepy.
And Wulfie my friend, I think you got jumped on in this thread unfairly, but now you've let them push your buttons and you're saying stuff just to score hits.
I know you don't feel the same reverence for the history of AW as others do but bud, you're just as bad about Fighter Duel. You know how many times I've had to sit and listen to you and Feen drone on about how Fighter Duel was the greatest game ever made, about how you guys got your start and learned to fly in Fighter Duel etc..etc.. :) Hey, thats kewl. Everybody is going to feel that way about the MP sim that started them on this long, strange trip we're all on. For you and Feen and others it was Fighter Duel. For me and a whole toejam LOAD of others it was AW.
I was one of the little dweebs that got pulled in with the boxed svga version with the $50.00 coupon (which didn't go very far a $6.00/hr). I played for 5 hours straight my first night on. And after dying countless times I finally got a victory. Kaboom..."A kill has been recorded". I just stared at the screen realizing a life changing event had just occurred. I could never agian be satisfied with just single player sims.
I don't think any reasonable person could deny the effect the history of AW has on the development online filghtsims in general. The relationship is fundamental. And its going to take some time for the new guys to slowly feel more like AH player than AW players but it WILL happen.
Besides, any way you slice it the influx of AW guys HAS to be good for AH. And what is good for AH is good by definition.
Regards,
Wab
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Actually...I've chosen not to play this game...As much as I like HiTech and the rest of the crew here...I just can't stomache having to deal with cocky little teenagers like you all night...talking up a storm about how they layed this hot blonde when they impressed her with their flightsim prowess
:D :D :D :D :D :D
eh Dinger? :D :D
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I'm done- but Wab Fighter Duel wasn't my first MP game.. Confirmed Kill v.91 was. :-)
It predated Fighter Duel (the one for the PC, not the Amiga) by about 2-3 years.
Fighter Duel, though, was the first place where it was free to play (except to pay for Kali) and where I met a lot of great guys.
I realize AW holds fond memories, forged great friendships and made a lot of people happy. I'm not denying that, nor that it was a great game and that the creators of it were great people.
But... Well the thread explains it all. :)
-SW
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Originally posted by Toad:
Hey, anybody know where old Phantom, the founder of Pain Squad ended up?[/QB]
Hi Toad,
Depends I guess on which old Phantom you're talkin about. One of'em, 6004, is flyin with th Damned as Rino.
Buzzard <775>
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That's the one he means :)
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Let's just go play...whatta ya say?
:cool:
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: Rude ]
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Originally posted by Rude:
Let's just go play...whatta ya say?
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: Rude ]
250?
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Just testing sig after half a liter Bacardi and little music...
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
BlueBaron was in WarBirds you say? I never saw him. The only time I saw anything closely resembling him was the blue voodoo doll with pins stuck in it in his cubby hole in the tower.
-SW
Yup, that's it.
I just can't get a good hate going for you. We are just going to have to disagree on whether or not ideas from AW influenced the present and future of AH.
For those anal people who are all upset because you feel this thread is inappropriate for AH General, you shouldn't have told me how easy it is to make you mad.
Now I am going to start another giant thread of ancient AW crap that will sometimes be slightly modified to have a little AH content. I dedicate it to Blue Mako.
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Originally posted by Staga:
250?
Maybe, but I will pay HT in virgin sheep when it reaches 258 :).
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They HAVE virgin sheep here? Never saw any of those in AW. :)
-W
Originally posted by Rotorian:
Maybe, but I will pay HT in virgin sheep when it reaches 258 :).
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Why do you not want to learn history? AH is your game, correct? Why don't you wanna learn where its roots come from? Or, when you mean history, do you mean the kind that shows you at #1 in the scores show you can pump out your chest and proclaim only history relavent to you should be posted in "your" game?
So now everybody has to learn the history of a game before he can play it. Please fill me in on the history of all games, I'm a bit lost here Aub. (and I wouldn't make it a habit to curse in every reply, ;) )
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Originally posted by Quarters:
> *YOUR*
> (saving someone the trouble)
Sigh...there goes my entrance.
There goes THE neighborhood! :)
Hi QT...jump right in. The water's, well,
tepid.. :)
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Originally posted by Apar1:
So now everybody has to learn the history of a game before he can play it. Please fill me in on the history of all games, I'm a bit lost here Aub. (and I wouldn't make it a habit to curse in every reply, ;) )
Hehe, I don't curse in every reply, jsut when Im sorta revved up :) I apologize for that.
No, I'm just saying your history draws you into the game more :) Reading old stories from AW, the Blood Dragon, I Go Diving Down, and the B17 Caravan, drew me into AW even more.
You may not care, but, you obviously care about the community since your posting here. Knowing a little bit about the game's roots can enhance your love for the game.
Aub
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"Just a Game"
Yep .... AirWarrior (and Ace's High, for that matter) was just a game. Hell, why stop there, it was just a program. Just a program that kept many people so hooked that they'd sit and play it for hours on end, weeks on end, months and years on end.
A program that was far more addicting than TV could ever hope to be. Far more addicting than some narcotic drugs. Ok, let's coin the term "electronic narcotic". AirWarrior (and any other online game with a large fanatic community behind it) can be viewed as an "electronic narcotic" (or - just a game/program if we want to live in denial).
But what of the "junkies" involved? Are the players of these games simply the clientele of the market? Checkbooks? Credit cards? Are we just numbers in a demographic database that a machine uses to pump out money to keep itself going? Maybe to some we are (EA made the mistake of focusing on that). I don't think HiTech and Pyro sees us that way. I know Blue Baron didn't.
And THAT, sirs (and ma'ams) is probably the most significant link between AW and AH. That is the legacy passed on.
It's NOT "just a game". It became more than that when the first human simpilot got shot down by another human simpilot online and typed (when he re-upped) "Good kill!"
It grew when these pilot's (of the net) curiousities were aroused and they decided to get to know each other better. To create online communities where, through e-mail, bulletin boards and newsgroups, they could share things about themselves both in and out of the game. I know more about people I've never met in person than I know about my next door neighbor. I know birthdays, anniversaries, births, deaths, new car purchases, fathers and grandfather's military histories, dreams, nightmares and even bad jokes and boredom. I've seen members of the community reach out to others in time of need. Granted, I've also seen vile individuals take advantage of others ... but in the wake of that, even, I've seen the community continue to flourish and bond.
Maybe this is all alien to some here. I know there's many here that long preceeded my ignoble entrance that have experienced the same sort of camraderie and community that I'm trying to describe.
And no .... there's no requirement to know the history and background of a game or community to be able to play (and enjoy) it.
But to those who actually DO feel that ... "it's just a game", that the vehicle that brought us all together so we could all share the best and worst of what we have to offer and maybe come out of it a little wiser, a little better for it, deserves no more consideration than the same program on their pc that keeps the clock ticking or the makes the modem dial up, to those, I feel a sense of pity. For those shallow souls will never know that ... it was more than just a game to many.
(Geez! Like anyone wants to dig to the bottom of this huge thread to read MY "epiphany". Except maybe those who want to test their sig while in their cups.) ;)
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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For 7 years I had the privlage and the honor of participating in Air Warrior. I made many friends over those years. Friends from around the world, and in the US. I've cursed and laughed while playing in that great community. It was a small part of the game...but the community that the game built was the essence of Air Warrior.
In mid 2000 I had heard of AH, gave it a try, and found it to be something that Air Warrior could have been. And knowing Air Warrior was stagnate.....and with EAs' takeover it's fate was sealed.
So......with deep feelings of regret, I realized t'was time to move on.......always thinking I owed a debt of gratitude to Air Warrior for introducing me to the on-line combat flight sim community.
We all owe Air Warrior for getting us "hooked" on on-line flight sims. It started there many years ago.....and after many years of playing Air Warrior before Aces High, I will miss Air Warrior, and above all the community that grew around the game.
Hajo
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
I'm done- but Wab Fighter Duel wasn't my first MP game.. Confirmed Kill v.91 was. :-)
It predated Fighter Duel (the one for the PC, not the Amiga) by about 2-3 years.
-SW
hmmmmm... Matt Shaw.
Bet we can get him to the Con next year.
Tex
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Hey Everyone.... meet the "real" Arlo. He just hid his best diatrabe way down here so as not to blow his reputation as a goofball.
<grin>
-W
Originally posted by Arlo:
[QB]"Just a Game"
(Geez! Like anyone wants to dig to the bottom of this huge thread to read MY "epiphany". Except maybe those who want to test their sig while in their cups.) ;)
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
[This last group contains the "go down with your ship types" ... The ones with much mettle and little fear.
The ship is going down?
Sheez now ya tell me.......gurgle...
-HR
PS. don't be surprised if you see an AW dos ladder go up:>
Ships never die..they just sink ;)
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Hey..why does it say I am a junior member..WTF..11 yrs AW don't count :)
lol.
-HR
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Originally posted by Toad:
[QB]
Toad!!!
Howdy doo!
I see ya made it out of RR <wink>
-HR (from the..uh..dang,what was the name of that Genie RR inn?)
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Originally posted by -HR:
Hey..why does it say I am a junior member..WTF..11 yrs AW don't count :)
lol.
-HR
Hi there "Junior" :)
That's just another little UBB thingy, Pete. After you've
posted your 30th or 40th or "n"th post
you will become a "Member", for whatever THAT is
worth. ABout as much as thr "*****" rating
system, I suspect.
BTW, now that you're here, how about "joining"
the KAW...we've VERY loosely organized and
are more symbolic that anything else.
We might have a squad day someday but for now
we just run about the arena shouting "KAW!"
on the squad channel :)
So, welcome to AH...see you in the arena.
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Originally posted by Arlo:
"Just a Game"
Yep .... AirWarrior (and Ace's High, for that matter) was just a game. Hell, why stop there, it was just a program. Just a program that kept many people so hooked that they'd sit and play it for hours on end, weeks on end, months and years on end.
-SNIP-
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
Good summation there Arlo...but you should have
included a .WAV of some patriotic tune to
go along with it! :)
( I AM KIDDING ARLO...DON'T get any ideas! )
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Originally posted by -HR:
-SNIP-
WTF..11 yrs AW don't count :)
lol.
-HR
Hehehe, Pete, I'm sure SOMEONE here will answer THAT question :)
But then I know you'll let your guns do the
talking for you :)
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250? We're short, let go binary. He's my push for it.
xBAT
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A real tear jerker. Let's cut out the roadkill, finally. Did a tornado strike all these people and whisk them away to Gamestorm? Did a tidal wave wash them up on the shores of EA? Most of the people on BB's list haven't flown AW in years, including BB. Maybe if they had, those of us who have been flying for the past 10 years wouldn't have had to watch our favorite game go down the tubes.
The truth is that the Cods of AW sold their souls to the devil, and dragged those of us who were left down to hell with them.
But I've been reborn. Aces High is what AW would have become, had the heart of the community not been cut out of it. But it was suicide, people - no big bad bogey man came out of the closet and did it.
Now it's time to bury Air Warrior. It's done. We aren't Air Warriors anymore. We are now Aces Highers, or however you want to say it. All of us, the people who have been flying AH for 2 years, the people who flew WB, the people who flew Air Warrior and the people just coming here out of the blue, we are the community now. You old time AH folk have no choice but to move over and let us in, and you Air Warriors who are grieving and feeling stunned to have crash landed here have got to get over it. AW is dead. Let it go.
Stiletto (the real Stiletto)
[ 11-11-2001: Message edited by: Stiletto ]
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Stil, I don't think you have enough information on why some of us moved on to be able lay blame for AW's demise like that. Don't forget that many of us contributed untold amounts of time and money (in terms of connect charges while working for the game) with no compensation whatsoever for years.
-DoK
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I was *just* coming in on the great AOL gold rush as you were fading into "recent memory"/"lamented absent COD" staus in AW,
so I'm not sure of your *particular* circumstances. But, I saw a few of the "paid good money only to contribute to AW types (like DD and Tex) go away and it always seemed to involve Kesmai/EA forgetting who the "made guys" were and having some flocking loyalty to "friends of ours" as the suit climate encroached.
-W
Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
Stil, I don't think you have enough information on why some of us moved on to be able lay blame for AW's demise like that. Don't forget that many of us contributed untold amounts of time and money (in terms of connect charges while working for the game) with no compensation whatsoever for years.
-DoK
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There was some of that, Ratbo. There were other things involved too. Suffice to say that people move on for a reason.
-DoK
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<nods head>
-W
Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
There was some of that, Ratbo. There were other things involved too. Suffice to say that people move on for a reason.
-DoK
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You know, Gonzo - you're right. I don't have all the info. Maybe if info had been more forthcoming, those of us who were still committed to the game could have saved it. Instead, we were fed a line of roadkill by Kesmai, by Gamestorm and by EA, while in our guts we saw AW's death approaching.
Doesn't matter why people moved on. They moved on. (How do you move on, anyway? Either you fly, or you don't.) My point is that the ancient history of AW, and the fond memories of people who quit flying AW years ago, have very little to do with what's happening here in AH.
And as for money: I spent my thousands on Compuserve and AOL, learning to fly AW. I devoted a good chunk of 9 months of my life, organizing the 1998 AW Con, went into debt hosting it, and almost lost my business. I too was paying my monthly tab to Kesmai/Gamestorm all that time. So what? That has nothing to do with anything, either.
AW became what it did because people were committed to the community - the power of it induced people to fly, even when they really didn't feel up to it because of sickness, burn-out or weariness. But the community was destroyed, when it got sold out to greed and corporate bean counters. It's all over now.
Now we have an opportunity to build a brand new community, hopefully one that will combine the best of the old AW and the new AH. I'll work toward that, but I think we've all learned that a community cannot survive without information and truth. I hope we get that here.
Stiletto
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Originally posted by Stiletto:
Now we have an opportunity to build a brand new community, hopefully one that will combine the best of the old AW and the new AH.Stiletto
Far as I know, you guys are joining an already established community, not "building a brand new community". We've been building it for over two years, you guys are just the latest immigrants, allbeit a big shipload, but still just an addition.
Originally posted by Stiletto:
I'll work toward that, but I think we've all learned that a community cannot survive without information and truth. I hope we get that here.
Stiletto
You'll get truth from HT and pyro. Sometimes it aint what you wanna hear, but it's the truth nonetheless.
Now. Go fix me a sammich.
<g,d,r!>
:p
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OK. Step back a second. For the player-contributors who moved on (meaning went on to other games, Real Lives, whatever ...) they still left friends at KesStormCorpCoA - so revealing what went on behind the scenes often wasn't in anyone's best interest. And in some cases, wasn't anyone else's damn business. Granted, the lines of communication funneled down to a quarter the thickness of a pubic hair by the time EA got hold of it, but you surely realize that full disclosure isn't always viable.
Blaming the departed-player contributors for the demise of the game is not much better than the game company failing to recognize their contributions, IMHO. Many left because of the lack of recognition and/or reward - so blaming them for the obvious result of their leaving is just more displacement of responsibility.
As for "selling of souls," I think there's less worry of that with Aces High. HT/Pyro are certainly smart enough to see what's happened to AW and WB to not repeat the mistakes of a poorly conceived buy-out. And the price of hosting infrastructure is cheap enough now that they really don't Big Brother to run their network on - a luxury Kesmai didn't have, BTW. So HTC has a much better shot at not being financially forced to lose control of their product.
As for "truth" - HT is a pretty brutally honest fellow. I haven't seen any lack of information flow from HTC. But you do need to recognize a few things in this regard. One is that this is a business as well as a passion. HT sunk a lot of his own money into it. If someone offered him millions to buy HTC, I don't think anyone would blame him for taking it. Next, there are different levels of communiction - HT will discuss some things with people like BB and me that they may not discuss with others. There will always be different levels of communication - that doesn't mean secrets are being kept. That's just life.
"Its all over now"? The community isn't. The AW chapter has finally (mercifully) closed is all. In the years since I left AW, I've run into the same players on WB, AH, GPL, Tribes, and all kinds of other games. Even started a company with a handful of these folks. When the AW Con' was in Dallas a couple of years ago, HT and I both dropped by - at the same time, as a coincidence.
The game changed, the Game we play didn't.
-DoK
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Am I detecting just a slight bit of bitterness here, Stiletto? :rolleyes:
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Damn it Wayne, I was busy all morning cooking. Come here to check and you already passed me. This will not go on unnoticed. I shall return.
:p
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tards
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Originally posted by Stiletto:
-SNIP-
Stiletto (the real Stiletto)
[ 11-11-2001: Message edited by: Stiletto ]
Uh, Stil...I'll take exception to that "sig"
where AW is concerned. The "real" Stiletto that
was referred to in BB's dialog, I believe,
flew DOS AW a good many years ago.
If I dig around here deep enough I can probably
come up with his tail number and GEnie email
address but I think some of the others here might
even have that info on the top of their head.
If not here, then shirley, over in BigWeek.
Just say'n ( Tm Pasha )
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Originally posted by Creamo:
tards
Monkey
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Originally posted by Montezuma:
Now I am going to start another giant thread of ancient AW crap that will sometimes be slightly modified to have a little AH content. I dedicate it to Blue Mako.
Awww, I'm touched <sniff>, I dunno what to say...
btw do I get free steak knives with that?
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And if we look back to the last sentence of the first paragraph of my original post that started this "thread" (I use the word loosly here) we see that we'e come full circle at last. That's all I hope, that we *have* a home with the kind of legs AW had, that some of the people who faded away (for *whatever* reaason) come back to play and have fun HERE. AW isn't even waked yet, and I have good hope and good vibes.
<S> All
-W
PS: For a lesson in corporate buyout read: "Iron Fist" The legend of Karl Kiekhaefer. He may have been one of the last truly great industrial barons. What Brunswick did to him and Mercury Marine stands as a lesson to anyone seeking merger.
Originally posted by DoKtor GonZo:
As for "selling of souls," I think there's less worry of that with Aces High. HT/Pyro are certainly smart enough to see what's happened to AW and WB to not repeat the mistakes of a poorly conceived buy-out.
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WOW!
[ 11-12-2001: Message edited by: WW ]
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
There is only ONE i in Australian. Sheesh, I guess I will have to look to 5 year old help for these guys, they can't even spell...
I am sure you can find a few in Syd-a-knee along with the rest of your countryman deportees.
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Originally posted by WW:
I saw a comment somewhere about realisim...LMAO. Fly any collection of WWII sims and tell me which two are identical. So.. whose right? Whose got the flight model perfect? I've been simming since the very early 80's and each one is completely different. Dig deep enough and they all have variations from reality for one reason or another. Try it and see for yourself.
OK AWers.. watch the trashing this one gets.
This has been an exersize in messing with your collective persceptions and may not reflect the opinions of the broadcaster.. :)
=WW=
I can't say anything about realism, I haven't flown any WW2 fighters ever..
But I do know that I find this sim very much fun and the planes seem to act in a logical way that makes sense to me personally.
The fun factor - realism aside - is the most important thing. This is a game.. For example the introduction of inflight external sounds made the game much more entertaining - even though it might be unrealistic.
However, after growing up seeing air war movies, that's what you expect to get.
IMO Aces High is the best product available at the moment and that's why I'm here. I played WB for a year or so and got slaughtered once I came here.. In a few weeks I adjusted however and life started looking better again.
To all you ex-aw folks: This sim is for sure different than your old one.. Don't lose your patience, it will take time to adjust. But in the end you will.. Welcome to the team.
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MrRipley,
No question about it, AH is by far the best I've encountered. The sights and sounds are not to be believed and the level of detail installed is to be commended.
Sorry I decided to erase that post dude, I decided to take my own advise with regard to the BBS and just say "NO"..hehe
=WW=
[ 11-12-2001: Message edited by: WW ]
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Time to code your own game then I guess. Let us know when it's ready for beta :)
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Originally posted by Otter:
I am sure you can find a few in Syd-a-knee along with the rest of your countryman deportees.
Sorry but you lost me with this one. Anyone else understand what he is on about?
Syd-a-knee = little in-joke for us Aussies
Austrailian = inability to spell
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
Sorry but you lost me with this one. Anyone else understand what he is on about?
Syd-a-knee = little in-joke for us Aussies
Austrailian = inability to spell
NNTP has spell check, just sayin' (tm Pasha)
I'd love to keep trading barbs with a grammar nazi from a nation more famous for its convicts and frustrated women than anything else but I have better things to do with my time, like taunt Canadians for bringing Celine Dion into the world.
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I did it, I read all the posts down here... :cool:
SWulfe is the only one that's been something
to listen to in this thread. Unfortunatley
none of the AW people seemed to be reading
a single line of what he wrote...
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Heh, I thought this thread had died.
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Originally posted by SOB:
Heh, I thought this thread had died.
Oh hell, might as well go for 300.
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Originally posted by iceydee:
I did it, I read all the posts down here... :cool:
SWulfe is the only one that's been something
to listen to in this thread. Unfortunatley
none of the AW people seemed to be reading
a single line of what he wrote...
'scuse me don't you have a neutrality class to attend?
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Sure when your own thread get beaten you jump on *my* bandwagon. We see how you are.
-W
(ps: I didn't MEAN it to be a troll, what what the hell - 300 is gud)
Originally posted by Rotorian:
Oh hell, might as well go for 300.
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isnt there some sort of law against 250 + message threads?
<adding to the subtotal>
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No.
-W
<getting last word in>
Originally posted by Krusher:
isnt there some sort of law against 250 + message threads?
<adding to the subtotal>
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
<getting last word in>
I CALL BULLDONG!
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Shouldn't that be "Bulldung" ??
-W
Originally posted by Rotorian:
I CALL BULLDONG!
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
[QB]Shouldn't that be "Bulldung" ??
-W[/q]
SPELLING NAZI!!!!!!!!!!!
:p
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Keep it up! Almost there!
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Rotorian:
I CALL BULLDONG!
...now we all know where Rotor keeps his mind. :eek:
Tumor
[ 11-17-2001: Message edited by: Tumor ]
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I have no adroit comments, just doing my part to help this bad boy reach 300 replies.
F.
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Originally posted by Furious:
I have no adroit comments, just doing my part to help this bad boy reach 300 replies.
F.
I'm not a droid comment either.
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How to get this thing to 300....
I know!
Please comment on the following:
The Kennedy assassination(s)
The second amendment
Bill Clinton sex scandal
Liberal vs Conservative
AH vs WB's
The Holocaust
evolution vs creationism
Those topics should easily get us past 300 :)
J_A_B
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I still think stalls are under modelled.
I understand that HTC had to keep a "soft" model while it's main customer base couldn't cope with Warbirds complexity, but now that the AW FR flyers have arrived en masse, the average skill level has improved in the MA, and it's time to "sharpen up" on the flight model.
After all, we're used to judging reality, not just eye candy, like the other sims.
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I think Monica has a nice mouth.... :)
-W
Originally posted by J_A_B:
[QB]How to get this thing to 300....
Please comment on the following:
Bill Clinton sex scandal
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
I think Monica has a nice mouth.... :)
-W
Originally posted by J_A_B:
[QB]How to get this thing to 300....
Please comment on the following:
Bill Clinton sex scandal
I want to do Hillary. (http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s/contrib/blackeye/hippy.gif)
Tumor
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Doing my part for the cause.....go Lakers!
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
Doing my part for the cause.....go Lakers!
I refuse to encourage these mowroons.
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Are we there yet?
No
Are we there yet?
No
Are we there yet?
No
Are we there yet?
*whap*
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Man, This thread has gone so far Iv forgot what its about.
Who are we flaming??
Oh yeah AW. Im dang glad its dead/dying. Its brought the rest of you over here to the promised land. You know, the land of Milk (running) and Honey (sweet flying A/C).
I love this place. I am Looking forward to so much around here, from events to the hampster wheel. Also, the Mossie Truly Rocks here!
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..... one bottle of beer on the waaaaaall.
Are we there yet?
NO!
Are you sure, Dad?
YES!
Yes, we're there?
NO!
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naw...just getting on your knees and kissing Arlo's arse is sufficient enough for us.
Originally posted by Furious:
Must we all pray to and worship your flight sim messiahs?
F.
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Actually, it was Kurt Tank who invented massively multiplayer online flight sims.
Another example of those that don't know their history. What do our schools teach these youngsters these days?
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Did I make 300!! :D
What do I win???? :D
:D :D :D
[ 11-17-2001: Message edited by: Grimm ]
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack:
naw...just getting on your knees and kissing Rotor's arse is sufficient enough for us.
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You get to make ONE wish....
<S>
-W
Originally posted by Grimm:
Did I make 300!! :D
What do I win???? :D
:D :D :D
[ 11-17-2001: Message edited by: Grimm ]
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Originally posted by Ratbo:
You get to make ONE wish....
<S>
-W
Oh man, Thats an easy one too.
I am really wishing Rookie pulls thru, lives and recovers. I hope wishes come true.
::Wishing with all my heart::
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Not one for wasting wishes on frivolous or selfish things, are you?
With you all the way on this one, friend.
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Originally posted by Grimm:
Oh man, Thats an easy one too.
I am really wishing Rookie pulls thru, lives and recovers. I hope wishes come true.
::Wishing with all my heart::
Wishing hard here too....
I know it's not the same, but I was in a coma with Encephalitis when I was 9 years old, for about 2 weeks I believe. My parents were told nothing could be done, I could come out of the coma, but if I did could be mentally affected... and here I am 39 years later playing an online air combat flight sim.... think they were right about my mentality! :)
Really hoping he pulls through!
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Whew !!!!!
Man the fur flew in this thread...
Nice cat fight...
Now that the dust has settled I would like to make some observations...
1. What in the Hell are you AH elitists (self proclaimed no doubt) Going to do when the rest of the AW community arrives and you are the small minority of players ???
2. She Wulfe... If she is the best frontal assault you have on these boards... You guys are in Big Doo Doo... This clowns more like a frontal labotomy.
3. This one astounds me the most... If you the Elite Few of AH, are so disgruntled at even the mention of AW... Why do you come to every aw posting like lemmings...
4. There are two communities in this game right now... AH as it was and AW as it was...
eventually it will become The AH Community.
What friggin difference does it make who is from where ???
5. Im beginning to believe that where the main difference lies... Is the different levels of maturity.. (now don't jump the gun here AH'rs) I mean this in the literal sense.
It would be interesting to see the demographics of the pre AW AH membership compared to the AW membership... I think the AH membership is a much younger crowd of probably lower income and professional levels.
That is not anyones fault... However I doubt very seriously that communications will ever be understood by the elitist ranks...of these kind of jerks
(kinda like the KKK of gamers?)
Just so there is no confusion I want it understood that I like the AH community there are plenty of really great folks here...
So I am not speaking of the AH community as a whole... I am pulling out you Legends in youre own minds types that have done some of the posting in this thread...
Thank God the folks that play in the arena don't have the attitudes of these AH elitsts that came into this thread just to stir toejam... You guys plain Suk... You do not represent at all the people that were already in AH when I got here... They have all been more than helpful, Fun to play with,and full of encouragement...
YOU stunninghunkS ARE SIMPLY... WELL stunninghunkS...
NO WAIT... YOU ARE FARGIN stunninghunkS...
Guess we just have to talk to ya in your own language so you can understand us... You dips passed over so many "Deep Humor Remarks" that it is evident that it simply is over your heads... We have tried to be funny with you blockheads but you just don't get it...
BOOT
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Did you forgot your medication this morning Boot ?
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Originally posted by Creamo:
tards
oct seconds that motion!