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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MWL on September 25, 2007, 01:00:40 AM
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Greetings,
Okay, I got a question. I normally fly the 47N. I can scissor (can't spel tho) with a spit, pony or LA. However, I can't scissor (spill again) with a Hurri or F4U.
So, I dive in and the F4U/Hurri dodges and we get into the scisor (dang spil chek thing!) and I realize I am losing this engagement.
Should I run and risk being called a 'rundweeb'? Should I continue to scissor till I be dead? What is an honorable person to do here?
okay so I should a waited till I was less toasty.....
:noid
Regards,
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I'd run and get some distance and "reset the fight". If they call me a 'running dweeb' then that's what they say. To me a 'rundweeb' is someone who just flat out runs for the nearest ack, or continuosly runs until I disengage then they come back.
What are you doing turn fighting hurri's in a P-47 anyways??:confused: :lol
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Well,,,,,,, I kinda don't. I take my shot and pull hard a couple of times, then if I can't get a decent solution, pull up and away.
Tho, I do get tired of the 200 calls.
I will admit, I had a C202 show up off my 6 and I continued on out for a long time. I just knew if I turned he would wind up 'owning' me.
Regards,
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letting people goad you out of your fighting style and playing by thier rules will most often get you killed.
besides is being called a rundweeb by a cartoon pilot really that insulting?
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Do you realize you are asking people, sitting on their tushes Reading a board, what you should have done while You were actually Doing something?
There will always be some sofacoach who thinks they know what you should have done, but the bottom line is, who cares?
Do what you think is best At The Time, second guessing is a waste of time. You are the only one who knows what the situation was, and what needed to be done. The rest is speculation and wondering what anyone in here thinks is a waste of time.
Side note, Honor is for the living, completely wasted on the dead, so fight and stay alive.
Oh, and Never blame typos on poor spelling, convince everyone you are Brilliant but just can't Type!
:D
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this thread reminds me of a southpark episode where Mrs. Garrison wanted to scissor a bunch of lesbians.
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MWL, as a former squaddie, just tale their insults for what it is. You aren't "willing to fight their fight".
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Originally posted by MWL
Well,,,,,,, I kinda don't. I take my shot and pull hard a couple of times, then if I can't get a decent solution, pull up and away.
Tho, I do get tired of the 200 calls.
I will admit, I had a C202 show up off my 6 and I continued on out for a long time. I just knew if I turned he would wind up 'owning' me.
Regards,
Turn off Channel 200. Kinda lika an ostrich, if you can't see it, it can't effect you!
:aok
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fight em, it's the only way you'll get better in that plane. if you die then guess what you get to up a brand new plane!!! it's a great cycle. Don't be a pansy in a game, just fight. :aok
PS "reset" the fight? :rofl that is a load of crap, if you lost once you'll probably lose again. what a load of crap, that is something a newb would say. :lol
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There is nothing wrong in using the strengths of your plane and exploiting the weak points of your enemy's ride.
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you just think to much about it, care if you get killed, i don't. The best pilots can beat you in any plane, i fought blukitty in a spit, it was in a p47, i won but it was a very very hard fight. i got lucky in winning because i thought it was a easy kill. it's not the plane it's the pilot. :aok
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If you, in a P-47N, have a gun solution on a Hurri, what's he gonna do? He's going to maneuver in a manner that makes you lose your gun solution because he knows he can out turn you. If he has a gun solution on you, what's the easiest way to avoid it? You use your speed advantage to extend away. Trying to turn with a Hurri in a P-47 is like the Hurri trying to out run a P-47--its not going to work. Some of those that fly the twisty-turny planes feel some sort of noblesse-oblige to regulate player behavior on channel 200.
Any time I hear people complain about runners on 200, the complainer is in a spit, zeke, hurri, niki etc. The price people pay for all that maneuverability is the lack of speed. Maybe we should counter all the "run away P-47" calls on 200 with "go ahead and maneuver, you turn-tard".
The goal of air-to-air combat is to either maneuver for a shot on the offensive, or deny a shot on the defensive. If you're in a less maneuverable plane that is faster, using your speed is the only smart way to do that. I find it ironic that most of the recommendations on tactics on Hammers web page are frowned upon as "non-sporting".
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The goal is to survive. Yes of course its a cartoon game, but its still based on a conflict where the goal was to complete a mission, an in order to do that, you have to survive. AND, in order to survive you have to maximize your strengths while minimizing your weaknesses.
I "run" all the time. In bombers I try to sneak in and then "run"out. If I do get detected then bring it on. But as a purist I would rate success as accomplishing your mission and then landing the airplane. And Ive seen lots and lots of fighters run from me after being hit a few times with 0.50s. There's a lot to be said for "running". Its one of the most proven tactics. In AR-234s I "run" like a scared schoolgirl.
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Originally posted by lagger86
this thread reminds me of a southpark episode where Mrs. Garrison wanted to scissor a bunch of lesbians.
Tribadism
My apologies.
back to your regularly scheduled thread.
wrngway
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Originally posted by megadud
you just think to much about it, care if you get killed, i don't. The best pilots can beat you in any plane, i fought blukitty in a spit, it was in a p47, i won but it was a very very hard fight. i got lucky in winning because i thought it was a easy kill. it's not the plane it's the pilot. :aok
mega!
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You'd already screwed the fight up horribly- might as well try to do some of that pilot ****. You will get kills fighting, sometimes in bad situations. Unless you're flying a bomber with a tail gun, you will not get kills running away.
I'm not a hardcore survivalist by any means, but I think that surviving means killing the bad people, not just running from them.
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MWL,
As a former squaddie I say don't let them get to you if they call you a run-tard or ack hugger. Fly how you want to fly. The guys that complain of runners are the guys in the slow planes. The guys that complain of the ho shot are the guys that are always the firs to take it. And the guys who complain of ack-huggin are the same guys who won't fly into the field to de-ack it. Let them fly thier way, de-tune 200 and smile... tomorrow is gonna be worse! :D
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Originally posted by Lusche
There is nothing wrong in using the strengths of your plane and exploiting the weak points of your enemy's ride.
I totally agree, know your plane, use its advantages.:aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
There is nothing wrong in using the strengths of your plane and exploiting the weak points of your enemy's ride.
This guy would know! Words of wisdom.
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I agree with others... Fly to your planes strengths.. The only reason people will call you a rundweeb is to try to get you to come back. I equate it to what my sister used to do to me when I was a kid "nane, nane, boo boo". Her goal was to get me to chase her. As I got older, I found that if I waited long enough, she would get close enough for me to get her, and I didn't have to chase.
Most of the top 10 ranked players are rundweebs when they need to be. Consider yourself in elite company.
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Originally posted by Scca
Most of the top 10 ranked players are rundweebs when they need to be. Consider yourself in elite company.
Uh-oh... I wouldn't necessarily equate top rank with "elite"... I know what I'm talking about ;)
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"I equate it to what my sister used to do to me when I was a kid "nane, nane, boo boo". Her goal was to get me to chase her. As I got older, I found that if I waited long enough, she would get close enough for me to get her, and I didn't have to chase."
You shot down your own sister? Man, that's cold.
(pause for applause)
Or, alternatively:
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Dr. Peter Venkman: Hee hee hee. "Get her." That was your whole plan, huh, "get her." Very scientific.
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i take the jugg in there out turn the hurri and show him who daddy is :aok
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is a good way to lose a few pounds.
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I read a book by a WWII P51 pilot (can't remember which book) in which the author became squadron leader when the previous squadron leader was shot down and captured. I'll never forger the author's explanation for the loss of the squadron leader. Basically, he stated that his leader had forgotten the first rule of air combat, which was: One pass, haul a**.
Now back to the original question. There is nothing wrong with making a pass on a Hurricane in a P47 and hitting the road. The hurri pilot would like to use the strengths of his plane against the weakness of yours. Don't let him. Don't let him goad you into doing it. Turn off 200 or ignore it. Play your game, not the other guys. If you want to turn fight, up a hurri or zero yourself. Otherwise thats just a formula for giving the hurri pilot an easy kill.
Personally, I keep 200 turned off. There is enough useless banter on the country channel for me. I end up squelching those guys. That's just me. If ch 200 swagger makes you feel good, fine. I'm not going to be a part of it. The nice thing is that AH gives you the option of playing the game the way you like.
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Winning or losing is no big deal... you get a brand new plane. I'd suggest staying and attempting to try different moves, that is how you will get better. Moving out of the heat and resetting the fight is ok too. The only thing that will make you really better is to keep at it and possibly find some of the fine 47 pilots to maybe take you into the TA.
Good Luck on your endeavor!!
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Winning or losing is no big deal... you get a brand new plane. I'd suggest staying and attempting to try different moves, that is how you will get better. Moving out of the heat and resetting the fight is ok too. The only thing that will make you really better is to keep at it and possibly find some of the fine 47 pilots to maybe take you into the TA.
Agreed. Note that "attempting to try different moves" doesn't mean you have to try to turn with the Hurri, which won't work unless he's asleep.
- oldman
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Originally posted by megadud
fight em, it's the only way you'll get better in that plane. if you die then guess what you get to up a brand new plane!!! it's a great cycle. Don't be a pansy in a game, just fight. :aok
PS "reset" the fight? :rofl that is a load of crap, if you lost once you'll probably lose again. what a load of crap, that is something a newb would say. :lol
Dont listen to this retard, hes one of the ones that wants to fight HIS fight they they were talking about. The whole point to winning a dogfight is to control the fight and make him do what u want him to do. So of coarse people are going to get ill when u wont do what they want u to do and then die.
That is where vulch tard, hoer, and runner all come into play, Fact is it is a 3d world and anything can happen.
Fight your own fight, remember dead men really cant talk back anyways;)
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Why do you want to scissor with anyone anyway? If you do it means they are already on your 6 and you're trying to either shake them or force an overshoot. It seems to me being on their 6 would be preferable.
You don't have to run. You just have to control the fight while you still have E. Scissoring out of the way of 4x20mm Hispanos after bleeding off your E... good luck.
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1) the enemy in a hurricane dives on you, there is no chance to out run the hurri. you manouver in such a way that destroys the hurri's initial speed advantage and end up 800 yrds infront of him. you keep going till you get enough speed to rope.
answer: good tactics. you started at a disadvantage and WON yourself an advantage to work with.
2) you dive on the hurricane to BnZ him from a possition of saftey, the hurricane has no chance to outrun you. you make repeated boom n zoom attacks but fail to destroy the hurri. eventualy the hurri works off your E and gets 800 behind you. you run away till a friendly comes down on the hurricane then you turn back and gangbang to victory.
answer: runner. you started with every advantage and blew it. You had the chance to attack the hurri forever without being sho at, if you BnZ correctly. realising that you have lost the fight you choose to deny the opponent the kill by running away. end result is nobody gets a kill. far better to bite the bullet and try to fight, giving the hurricane enjoyment after you wasted any chance you had of enjoying killing it.
Another situation I think about is 'what was this player trying to do?'
1)If its a 190A8 and s/he makes one pass at me then bugs out, fair enough, we all like to bounce low cons from saftey and often miss. this is just a style of gameplay.
2)If its a spit16 and s/he is definitely trying to turn fight you and then loses and runs away, then thats a 'run tard'. s/he was trying to fight you with angles and turn fighting manouvers but realised s/he was outclassed, and then ran through a lack of confidence in thier own ability.
just my 2 cents.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
2)If its a spit16 and s/he is definitely trying to turn fight you and then loses and runs away, then thats a 'run tard'. s/he was trying to fight you with angles and turn fighting manouvers but realised s/he was outclassed, and then ran through a lack of confidence in thier own ability.
I do get called names for similar behaviour sometimes, but people often ignore the overall situation in MA. I'm not very eager to continue a dance I can't bring to a quick conclusion if I see several enemy cons appearing. No reason to assume they will stay out...
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Dont listen to this retard, hes one of the ones that wants to fight HIS fight they they were talking about. The whole point to winning a dogfight is to control the fight and make him do what u want him to do. So of coarse people are going to get ill when u wont do what they want u to do and then die.
That is where vulch tard, hoer, and runner all come into play, Fact is it is a 3d world and anything can happen.
Fight your own fight, remember dead men really cant talk back anyways;)
LMAO gangtard boi speaks up for gangtarding! News at 11! I guess when you say controling a dogfight, u mean come in with alt while the fellas fighting another plane? :rofl
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Originally posted by Lusche
I do get called names for similar behaviour sometimes, but people often ignore the overall situation in MA. I'm not very eager to continue a dance I can't bring to a quick conclusion if I see several enemy cons appearing. No reason to assume they will stay out...
Exactly right. You get low and slow in the MA and you're not gonna make it back to base, or someone else is gonna come in with E and steal your kill. The other day I had a cool 1 v. 1 going on, just about the time I had saddled up on this guy, BAM, someone blew in and finished him. Thank you very much. If you want to fight like this then fine, just realize what you are getting into. I like to furball every now and then, but I prefer to pick my fights (cherry picker) and land my kills (runtard). Sticks and stones....
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Dont listen to this retard, hes one of the ones that wants to fight HIS fight they they were talking about. The whole point to winning a dogfight is to control the fight and make him do what u want him to do. So of coarse people are going to get ill when u wont do what they want u to do and then die.
That is where vulch tard, hoer, and runner all come into play, Fact is it is a 3d world and anything can happen.
Fight your own fight, remember dead men really cant talk back anyways;)
Using what Warlock wrote as an example. This is how he approaches the game. Is it the correct way? It is for him, and in the end that's all that matters. He nailed me twice last night flying that way. And yes he was controlling his fight, which is his choice. Neither time was I fighting him, but he got me while I was fighting others. I'm not condemning his style, as that's his choice. It isn't my choice. I think I saw him land 13 kills of which I was two, flying that way which was in a larger crowd, higher, and picking on the edges on guys who were already in with other planes. He clearly uses his choice of flying style well.
Is it the only way? Nope. For me the bigger challenge is to try and fight from the disadvantage. While I 'die" more often there is also great satisfaction in those flights where you beat the odds. Since no one is really dying and planes are free I look at it as the way to go.
Bottom line is the game is big enough for lots of styles of flying, many of which that will draw the anger of others. You have to do what you have fun doing. I'd have kept turning in that Jug on the deck just to see how long I could have lasted. I know there are Jug drivers who do that amazingly well down low, and I know they've gotten that good by taking the chance to challenge themselves instead of sticking to what's easiest and 'safest'. I ran into a P40 last night that was turning on a dime in the crowd. He was amazing in what he was making that early war bird do in the mass of Latewar uber rides. Again, the only way to get that good is to die a little in the process of learning.
But fly how you want to fly. Don't worry about what other folks say about it. As long as you are having fun, nothing else should matter.
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If you start it..finish it.
You will get a new plane if you mess up:aok
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
2) you dive on the hurricane to BnZ him from a possition of saftey, the hurricane has no chance to outrun you. you make repeated boom n zoom attacks but fail to destroy the hurri. eventualy the hurri works off your E and gets 800 behind you. you run away till a friendly comes down on the hurricane then you turn back and gangbang to victory.
answer: runner. you started with every advantage and blew it. You had the chance to attack the hurri forever without being sho at, if you BnZ correctly. realising that you have lost the fight you choose to deny the opponent the kill by running away. end result is nobody gets a kill. far better to bite the bullet and try to fight, giving the hurricane enjoyment after you wasted any chance you had of enjoying killing it.
2)If its a spit16 and s/he is definitely trying to turn fight you and then loses and runs away, then thats a 'run tard'. s/he was trying to fight you with angles and turn fighting manouvers but realised s/he was outclassed, and then ran through a lack of confidence in thier own ability.
I somewhat disagree.
In the first example above if I was in the Hurri I wouldn't care. I'd be happy that I turned a disadvantage into an advantage and made the guy run.
If I was the one starting with the advantage, losing it, then extending out I'd be happy enough that I went in, messed with the guy a bit, gave it a shot and still got out alive to go find another fight I could win (or possibly reverse back to this one once I had seperation).
Either way I'd have fun with it.
In the second example above if I'm losing a turn fight I see no reason to have to stay and die when extending is an option. Getting shot down just isn't that fun for me. I think recognizing when the fight's going south on you and knowing when and how to extend safely are signs of a skilled pilot. Anyone can stay and get killed.
That said if you don't ever fight you never learn. You don't want to be a coward but you don't want to be foolishly aggressive either.
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Originally posted by Lusche
I do get called names for similar behaviour sometimes, but people often ignore the overall situation in MA. I'm not very eager to continue a dance I can't bring to a quick conclusion if I see several enemy cons appearing. No reason to assume they will stay out...
quick conclusion for you: get shot down and re-up :)
if not you are running away.
The true question though....Do you feel shamed for being called a 'run-tard'?
if the answer is no then just carry on enjoying your running.
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Honestly I dont GANG, guppy was right i did kill him twice while involved in another fight, but he was on someones six, I saved my teamaits LIFE, if thats ganging then I guess i GANG.
oh and GUPPY Skyrock was 2 of my kills and Fester in his 262 was the other one;)
I fly no different than alot of other people. I also dont fly Attack to keep my Fighter score up when I am in furballs.
Fact is Skyrock is mad because I have been owning him in his little cherry picker 4 hog latly, and owned him countless times yesterday.
Some people cant take a dose of their own medicine.
My whole point is FLY YOUR OWN FIGHT. And ignore these weenies with there little gangtard, hoing banter,
Skyrock proved my original point on this thread.
Once again WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
P.S. If anyone would like to donate to the Buy SKYROCK a pacifiar fund let me know. Maybe if he has something in his mouth he cant talk and wont sound so stupid.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Anyone can stay and get killed.
forgive my selective quoting i wanted to focus on these points.
firstly, yes, anyone can stay and get killed. but only at first. after a while some player stay and kill all enemy in the unfair fight then fly home in peace. when they first tried this they just 'stayed and got killed' but they knew next fight they would do a little better.
what the runner does is throw away the chance to improve, the next fight they have like the one they just ran from will go the same, and the next, untill that one time they decide to stay and fight.
There are many guys i fly with that refuse to RTB untill they have run out of ammo, fuel, or enemy targets, and these guys are the most skilled in all areas of the air game in ah2.
You don't want to be a coward but you don't want to be foolishly aggressive either.
umm....infact that is exactly what you should want to be, foolishly aggressive sounds just about right when i think of someone like blukitty or leviathn, they actualy fly out and put themselves in harms way and call it fun, and after so long enjoying this they also defeat these outnumbering odds.
this was how the game used to be played by 90% when i first started flying online. now most who fly in AH2 are 'smart flying' and only a few core furballers who always fight to win or die.
bat
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Snip
*Grabs lawn chair and cooler*
This should get good now.
Bronk
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Honestly I dont GANG, guppy was right i did kill him twice while involved in another fight, but he was on someones six, I saved my teamaits LIFE, if thats ganging then I guess i GANG.
oh and GUPPY Skyrock was 2 of my kills and Fester in his 262 was the other one;)
I fly no different than alot of other people. I also dont fly Attack to keep my Fighter score up when I am in furballs.
Fact is Skyrock is mad because I have been owning him in his little cherry picker 4 hog latly, and owned him countless times yesterday.
Some people cant take a dose of their own medicine.
My whole point is FLY YOUR OWN FIGHT. And ignore these weenies with there little gangtard, hoing banter,
Skyrock proved my original point on this thread.
Once again WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
P.S. If anyone would like to donate to the Buy SKYROCK a pacifiar fund let me know. Maybe if he has something in his mouth he cant talk and wont sound so stupid.
WarlockL--
Reread your post.
Read Guppy's post.
The difference is obvious, and the source is simple: one shows class and maturity, the other doesn't. One shows an attitude that will make people respect you, the other sounds like it was written by a chest thumping self absorbed 10 year old.
If you really want to be respected in the community, you need to develop some class...because without class, you are just another joystick twitching nebbish.
And no one likes, or respects, a nebbish.
(nebbish definition (http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=nebbish) I really like that word all of a sudden.)
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I fly "foolishly aggressive".....I die (a lot), but am slowly improving. I will also be on the edge of the fight, calling out cons locations, giving check 6's etc .........but just cant break the habit of diving in if I'm close enough to annoy someone off of my "countryman".....I rarely run (unless I've lost a bit of wing..which seems to be happening quite a lot recently.....and then only to see if I can make it back lol...)... I should really learn better (the squad I'm in are helping me out a load...but the learning curve on this game is somewhat steep).
As for ch 200....I tune to it, give salutes to those that shoot me down (I spend a lot of time doing that lol...) and dont lose any sleep over whats said on it........that said, I have seen a lot of attacks on Skyrock on it.........a lot of which are, imo, unwarrented......(dont know the history on a lot of them, and frankly, dont much care....).......anyway, just me 0.2c's worth.....
Wurzel
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Honestly I dont GANG, guppy was right i did kill him twice while involved in another fight, but he was on someones six, I saved my teamaits LIFE, if thats ganging then I guess i GANG.
And as I said, if that's your choice in how to fly so be it. As long as you are having fun that's all that matters. The fact that you killed me twice in the same fight illustrates the point. There was a huge crowd vulching our base. To get out over the water to fight was an accomplishment in itself. You were using your alt advantage and numbers advantage to control when you jumped in. I was low and slow in a turning fight both times and you got me. Good for you :) In that situation there was never any time where you were at risk as you controlled all the variables.
I was flying with you to start that fight. I chose to go to the low numbers side as there was no joy for me in being a part of such a large crowd that had the all the advantages.
Prior to moving to Knits, 5 of us had gone elsewhere to start a fight in hopes of it being more even. As soon as we started it, the mob came over and killed it the same as they'd done at the field prior to that.
If that's what's fun for them, so be it.
No one's life was saved because no one lost their life. That's a difference in our approach. Again, if that's your style, have fun. I'll not tell you to change it.
As far as score goes, I don't even know what I'm scoring as. I'm pretty sure it's fighter but who cares. it's just a number. Flying below the crowd in a larger midwar bird, is hardly a thing to do if points made a difference to me. That you are concerned with that, again is your business, and if it's part of what brings you some satisfaction to the game, more power to ya.
Your preference is to hold all the advantagous cards when you fly. That's your choice and makes you enjoy the game, so go for it.
I'm happiest below the mob, fighting on the defensive in a less then uber bird. Both ways of playing are fine. I don't enjoy yours, and you don't like mine. But as long as we're both content, that's all that matters :)
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Originally posted by SkyRock
LMAO gangtard boi speaks up for gangtarding! News at 11! I guess when you say controling a dogfight, u mean come in with alt while the fellas fighting another plane? :rofl
This is what my point was. I did not disagree with guppy at all in his post.
I agree with him Completly, my point of response was directed to someone that had to ONCE AGAIN start bashing a thread instead of posting his opinion.
Talking about killing fester in his 262 was not chest thumping, but hell everyone knows if u kill fester in his 262 its time to jump up and down with joy. Any 262 for that matter.
I am not ignorant, read the original post and what it was about, and the guys that even said there would be people calling them gang tards, hoers and the likes.
And then of coarse the biggest mouth on 200 comes in here and does exacly what everyone said they would do, and since it was Directed SOULY at me, I decided to retourt with a reply.
I like the Diversity of flying patterns in this game, that is how u can almost tell who someone is when u see a plane. I can tell u when Trikky, Miamiace, AKAK, and quit a few others are around just by the way they fly.
Diversity is what makes this game great, and for people to judge how others fly is almost racist in a way. It is like saying conform to me or u shall be judged.
See I have the ability to use big words and talk sophisticated, but when talking to people that most often act like children, then u might as well speak in a language they can understand.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Honestly I dont GANG,
Liar.
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I fly no different than alot of other people. I also dont fly Attack to keep my Fighter score up when I'm in furballs.
You don't fight in furballs, you gang and cherry in them.
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Fact is Skyrock is mad because I have been owning him in his little cherry picker 4 hog latly, and owned him countless times yesterday.
LMAO, bro, you couldn't own me on your best day. You have been jumping me lately, maybe because I've been in the mood to fight hordlets and you are king of the cherry picker hordlet types, but ownage only occurs when you reverse the advantage, and you have not done that..........ever. On the other hand, I have some really nice films of you coming in with the advantage on me and leaving via a trip to the tower! By the way, keep on with the ankle humping, it really does fit you well!
PS, you totally missed what Corky was saying, :rofl :lol
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
This is what my point was. I did not disagree with guppy at all in his post.
I agree with him Completly, my point of response was directed to someone that had to ONCE AGAIN start bashing a thread instead of posting his opinion.
Talking about killing fester in his 262 was not chest thumping, but hell everyone knows if u kill fester in his 262 its time to jump up and down with joy. Any 262 for that matter.
I am not ignorant, read the original post and what it was about, and the guys that even said there would be people calling them gang tards, hoers and the likes.
And then of coarse the biggest mouth on 200 comes in here and does exacly what everyone said they would do, and since it was Directed SOULY at me, I decided to retourt with a reply.
I like the Diversity of flying patterns in this game, that is how u can almost tell who someone is when u see a plane. I can tell u when Trikky, Miamiace, AKAK, and quit a few others are around just by the way they fly.
Diversity is what makes this game great, and for people to judge how others fly is almost racist in a way. It is like saying conform to me or u shall be judged.
See I have the ability to use big words and talk sophisticated, but when talking to people that most often act like children, then u might as well speak in a language they can understand.
LMAO gangtard boi speaks up for gangtarding! News at 11! I guess when you say controling a dogfight, u mean come in with alt and a horde while the fellas fighting another plane? :rofl
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Did skuzzy combine a couple of threads? The quoting and subsequent purse fighting doesn't seem to be in chronological order.
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If you're in an aircraft with range and a speed advantage, then make the bast*rd chase ya for a while. Every minute he chases you, the more the advantage swings to you.
What's he going to do? Run out of fuel on you?? LOL, what a dumb*ss. Will he give up and turn and try run from you? you've got the faster aircraft... LOL, what a chump. Now you can run him down with impunity.
Never chase faster aircraft than yours! Its only going to end in tears.
Of course if you don't care about your virtual death and like fighting from a disadvantage and want a challenge then get yourself enough seperation to reverse enough to suit. You'll probably learn more than just running away, but also it may be a painful lesson.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Did skuzzy combine a couple of threads? The quoting and subsequent purse fighting doesn't seem to be in chronological order.
naw they are just starting to repeat themselves..... next will come the "is too!" "is not!"'s
:D
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Next is the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i was talking about.
Apparently skyrock must be tripping and falling into my bullets or something.
I guess I fly so wrong that HTC should take away my pilots license.
Seems to me thats what some of these, U SHOULD FLY THE WAY I TELL U TO guys thing.
Once again WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
oh and I forgot WAAAAAAAAAA
P.S. WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA stop whining about how someone else flys, seems to me it works cause u cant do anything to stop me.
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BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SUBJECT AT HAND!!!!!!!!!!!
yes, u should fight your own fight, and depending on what plane u are in is how u should fly it
A pony shouldnt be turning on the deck, a LA shouldnt be 20k,
Use your plane the way it was ment to be flown, if possible extend away from a fight to regain a advantage.
but if u are the type to run in and kill as many as u can befor u die then by all means go for it.
I die alot myself because I end up low and slow in a furball, anytime i get behind someone or shoot at someone, unless i get in trouble my target almost never changes, i do this because if I break off a target then everyone else might think im still engaged with him, allowing him to get behind someone else unchallenged.
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no offense war, but every time i was near you yesterday in that same fight as sky and corky, you either picked me or ran when i reversed you then as soon as id get re-engaged youd come back in your-1a and pick me. I dont understand what your deal is bro, anytime im on rooks and in your area all i hear is im so this hes so that....brag brag brag, its really annoying and you do it here to. PLease Please get off your pedastil humpty dumpty cause your gonna get broken bad soon.....
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Next is the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i was talking about.
Apparently skyrock must be tripping and falling into my bullets or something.
I guess I fly so wrong that HTC should take away my pilots license.
Seems to me thats what some of these, U SHOULD FLY THE WAY I TELL U TO guys thing.
Once again WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
oh and I forgot WAAAAAAAAAA
P.S. WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA stop whining about how someone else flys, seems to me it works cause u cant do anything to stop me.
Nebbish.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
no offense war, but every time i was near you yesterday in that same fight as sky and corky, you either picked me or ran when i reversed you then as soon as id get re-engaged youd come back in your-1a and pick me. I dont understand what your deal is bro, anytime im on rooks and in your area all i hear is im so this hes so that....brag brag brag, its really annoying and you do it here to. PLease Please get off your pedastil humpty dumpty cause your gonna get broken bad soon.....
U couldnt be more wrong freezeman, stop being ignorant, if u are in the bottom of a furball and i come in 5k above thats just because i have the advantage, dont get mad at that, and just because u came in with the advantage on me and couldnt get the job done dosnt mean i ran.
IT WAS YOUR SITUATIONAL AWARNESS THAT GOT U KILLED, NOT THE WAY I FLY, FACT IS IN THAT FURBALL YESTERDAY I SPENT MOST THAT TIME ON THE DECK, SKYROCK KNOWS THIS BECAUSE I ENGAGED HIM AND 4 P38S PRACTICLY ALONE, IT WASNT MY FAULT OTHERS CAME IN AND OUTNUMBERD THEM.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE, IF U WATCH YOUR BUTT, U CANT GET PICKED, OR VULCHED OR GANGED.
ONCE AGAIN
WWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Just how old IS this guy? Please tell me he's a preteen, please oh please....
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Thanks Windx, that's great advice, I think, except the part that just makes you look stupid.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Next is the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i was talking about.
Apparently skyrock must be tripping and falling into my bullets or something.
I guess I fly so wrong that HTC should take away my pilots license.
Seems to me thats what some of these, U SHOULD FLY THE WAY I TELL U TO guys thing.
Once again WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
oh and I forgot WAAAAAAAAAA
P.S. WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA stop whining about how someone else flys, seems to me it works cause u cant do anything to stop me.
:rofl digging the hole again I see, noone said don't fly the way you want too, they just inferred you are a lamer cherry picking gang horde dweeb! No big deal:aok
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Originally posted by Spatula
If you're in an aircraft with range and a speed advantage, then make the bast*rd chase ya for a while. Every minute he chases you, the more the advantage swings to you.
What's he going to do? Run out of fuel on you?? LOL, what a dumb*ss. Will he give up and turn and try run from you? you've got the faster aircraft... LOL, what a chump. Now you can run him down with impunity.
Never chase faster aircraft than yours! Its only going to end in tears.
Of course if you don't care about your virtual death and like fighting from a disadvantage and want a challenge then get yourself enough seperation to reverse enough to suit. You'll probably learn more than just running away, but also it may be a painful lesson.
I'm that dumb guy who runs outta gas chasin' a pony with a Hellcat
here's proof http://www.mediafire.com/?7ye9mfvi5xu (http://www.mediafire.com/?7ye9mfvi5xu)
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Who really sounds like the preteen adolescent, the guy telling u that your whining like a little baby.
Or the guy that tries to blame his deaths on the way someone else flys.
It is funny how the gang of the HONERABLE FEW, always try to tell me what I need to do to earn respect from them. Yet I dont cry when I get picked from a con 5k above me. I also dont go on the BBS and whine about how others should partake in their experience in this game.
As far as me digging a whole talking about how all you are doing is CRYING, then I probly should dig a hole and cover my ears instead of listening to all this crybaby talk.
The day im in your plane and piloting it, then u can blame me for getting u killed.
Besides if your a such a PRO and know how to FLY so well and OTHERS dont, then how is it you are the ones getting GANGED, VULCHED, HOED??
Get a GIRLFRIEND for christ sakes,
atleast u wont sound like a whiney little baby if u come here complaining about how your GF isnt giving u any, instead of how the next cartoon airplane kills u.
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
I'm that dumb guy who runs outta gas chasin' a pony with a Hellcat
here's proof http://www.mediafire.com/?7ye9mfvi5xu (http://www.mediafire.com/?7ye9mfvi5xu)
:rofl I'm glad I'm not the only one
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I am a dork and I am trying really hard to look kewl and appear to know what I'm doing.
:aok
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Couple of quick things, Windlocklx.
Can one even be a preteen adolescent?
Also, your style of writing gives the impression that you're a kid- the absolutely random mix of capital letters, mispellings, excessive punctuation and all caps typing.
Just saying, that's probably not a good tack for you in this case.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
IT WAS YOUR SITUATIONAL AWARNESS THAT GOT U KILLED, NOT THE WAY I FLY, FACT IS IN THAT FURBALL YESTERDAY I SPENT MOST THAT TIME ON THE DECK, SKYROCK KNOWS THIS BECAUSE I ENGAGED HIM AND 4 P38S PRACTICLY ALONE, IT WASNT MY FAULT OTHERS CAME IN AND OUTNUMBERD THEM.
Kinda couldn't let that practically alone comment go :) Screenshot when we first saw you and friends.
Note 6 of you, all above us with speed. 2 Hogs, 1 a C Hog, two Tiffies, one a Tempest, a 51 and a Yak.
The 5 38s are only 4 38s headed out climbing and slow. Old Sport is rtb in his hog, there is a goonie driver doing who knows what and a 190 driver so it's about even numbers with all the Rooks up high in speed burners at speed.
I think my SA was ok :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/1.jpg)
Within about a minute, all of us who were below you are still alive, still below you and there are now 12 Rooks above us in 51s, F4Us, 51s, Temps or Tiffs, 2 Cats and a Spit, all above us with alt and speed.
None of us died when the fight was close to even numbers wise, despite the disadvantages. But we got whittled down fast when the gang continued to grow above us.
So I don't think it was our SA that got us mugged :)
Only showing these to refute the claim btw. Again fly how you want to fly :aok
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/2.jpg):aok
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
The goal is to survive.
the goal is to fight and have fun. I could cherry pick all day long, run away from anyone who is co-alt and concentrate only on taking people out who are already engaged. Not really fighting, not really fun, not much in the way of skillfully piloting a plane, but I would survive. This is why I dispute this claim that the goal is to survive.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
realising that you have lost the fight you choose to deny the opponent the kill by running away. end result is nobody gets a kill. far better to bite the bullet and try to fight, giving the hurricane enjoyment after you wasted any chance you had of enjoying killing it.
If I wind up 800 yards in front of a Hurri, and extend away, that's not running. I don't call 800 yards a shot opportunity. A shot opportunity is 300 yards. It'd be the same for a 109K4 that winds up 600 out in front of me, and simply climbs away from me. I never really had a shot on him. Or, a Spit that breaks as I close through 400 yards. These are guys that use their aircrafts capability to avoid my shot.
It sounds like you're saying that if someone gets on your six within firing range, you're supposed to just give him the kill as a reward for his achievement? I guess all those twisty-turny planes that break just as I go to guns should just say "hey, you got me...[poof]"?
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200? What's that? :)
'nufff said.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
If I wind up 800 yards in front of a Hurri, and extend away, that's not running. I don't call 800 yards a shot opportunity. A shot opportunity is 300 yards. It'd be the same for a 109K4 that winds up 600 out in front of me, and simply climbs away from me. I never really had a shot on him. Or, a Spit that breaks as I close through 400 yards. These are guys that use their aircrafts capability to avoid my shot.
It sounds like you're saying that if someone gets on your six within firing range, you're supposed to just give him the kill as a reward for his achievement? I guess all those twisty-turny planes that break just as I go to guns should just say "hey, you got me...[poof]"?
well stoney, in my view 800 yrds is the perfect seperation to turn back and remerge, or reverse the possition. If i was at 300 yrds vs a good stick i would expect to be dead.
if you are at 800 yrds you are out of gun range really, and therefore it is either running away or turning back to fight that presents itself to you.
please note: i never said running is always a bad idea, what i am trying to do is define 'running'.
not turning back into the fight with 800-1k seperation is running, in my view.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Kinda couldn't let that practically alone comment go :) Screenshot when we first saw you and friends.
Note 6 of you, all above us with speed. 2 Hogs, 1 a C Hog, two Tiffies, one a Tempest, a 51 and a Yak.
The 5 38s are only 4 38s headed out climbing and slow. Old Sport is rtb in his hog, there is a goonie driver doing who knows what and a 190 driver so it's about even numbers with all the Rooks up high in speed burners at speed.
I think my SA was ok :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/1.jpg)
Within about a minute, all of us who were below you are still alive, still below you and there are now 12 Rooks above us in 51s, F4Us, 51s, Temps or Tiffs, 2 Cats and a Spit, all above us with alt and speed.
None of us died when the fight was close to even numbers wise, despite the disadvantages. But we got whittled down fast when the gang continued to grow above us.
So I don't think it was our SA that got us mugged :)
Only showing these to refute the claim btw. Again fly how you want to fly :aok
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/2.jpg):aok
Well I dont balive the right thing to do would of been to turn away because we had alt advantage, the numbers were even at start and it was not my fault more came.
The orignal post was not directed towards u to begin with, and if u note that F4U was me, and i was comming strait for u the rest of the masses was climbing.
I dont see how that screenshot prooves anything other than a normal fight in MA, there was no ganging there were tons of planes on both sides. As usual.
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your dillusional bud.
dan got any footage of later on when you were in the spit8?
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
well stoney, in my view 800 yrds is the perfect seperation to turn back and remerge, or reverse the possition. If i was at 300 yrds vs a good stick i would expect to be dead.
if you are at 800 yrds you are out of gun range really, and therefore it is either running away or turning back to fight that presents itself to you.
please note: i never said running is always a bad idea, what i am trying to do is define 'running'.
not turning back into the fight with 800-1k seperation is running, in my view.
I spend a lot of time in 190A-8's. Trying to reverse on someone chasing you at that distance makes you dead.
800-1K might be great in a Spit or something. Not so in some other planes.
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rubbish! im sorry but it is. I will happily turn back in a 190A8 or P51D to fight a spit16 with 800yrds seperation. If they are good enough to counter the move they deserve the kill and you deserve to hit the tower, unless you want to run away and come back with a new advantage that you already lost once.
if you are waiting beyond 1k to 'reverse' then you are not reversing. you are running away in the hopes to get some altitude and reposition for a shot. you are not shaking the bandit off your six, you are running away. A reversal implies that you start in the worst possition and turn it round to win from there, not turn it round with 2 minutes of Energy management, 10 seconds of out-flying the guy on your tail is a reverse.
the reason you do not think a 190A8 can do this sort of thing is that you never tried long enough to learn how. reversals and angles and all ACMs are the same in all planes, it just takes more skill to do it in a 190 than a spitfire.
just sayin.
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So what is up with the chest thumping I killed so and so!!!!11111oneoneoneeleventyone stuff doing in a opinion about people running thread?
Of course we all have our moments of set "dweebery" and I am sure we all know that WarlockL is a cherry picking gangtard dweeb as Skyrock likes to put it. But these arguments and such have no purpose such as beating a dead horse. So lets get back to the topic at hand.
As for running if you know you are going to lose a fight and manage to disengage go for it. For if the person complains later just tell them to try and kill you quicker next time.
P.S. For the P40 depending on the side last night would either of been me or FlyinFin we were both in P40's last night on different sides. I myself would have been a Knight depending on the time you switched which I believe it was FlyFin since he can tear it up in that plane.:cool:
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
rubbish! im sorry but it is. I will happily turn back in a 190A8 or P51D to fight a spit16 with 800yrds seperation. If they are good enough to counter the move they deserve the kill and you deserve to hit the tower, unless you want to run away and come back with a new advantage that you already lost once.
if you are waiting beyond 1k to 'reverse' then you are not reversing. you are running away in the hopes to get some altitude and reposition for a shot. you are not shaking the bandit off your six, you are running away. A reversal implies that you start in the worst possition and turn it round to win from there, not turn it round with 2 minutes of Energy management, 10 seconds of out-flying the guy on your tail is a reverse.
the reason you do not think a 190A8 can do this sort of thing is that you never tried long enough to learn how. reversals and angles and all ACMs are the same in all planes, it just takes more skill to do it in a 190 than a spitfire.
just sayin.
agreed
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
rubbish! im sorry but it is. I will happily turn back in a 190A8 or P51D to fight a spit16 with 800yrds seperation. If they are good enough to counter the move they deserve the kill and you deserve to hit the tower, unless you want to run away and come back with a new advantage that you already lost once.
if you are waiting beyond 1k to 'reverse' then you are not reversing. you are running away in the hopes to get some altitude and reposition for a shot. you are not shaking the bandit off your six, you are running away. A reversal implies that you start in the worst possition and turn it round to win from there, not turn it round with 2 minutes of Energy management, 10 seconds of out-flying the guy on your tail is a reverse.
the reason you do not think a 190A8 can do this sort of thing is that you never tried long enough to learn how. reversals and angles and all ACMs are the same in all planes, it just takes more skill to do it in a 190 than a spitfire.
just sayin.
Couldn't have said it better.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Thanks Windx, that's great advice, I think, except the part that just makes you look stupid.
Nutria is WindX...don't think Warlock is.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Well I dont balive the right thing to do would of been to turn away because we had alt advantage, the numbers were even at start and it was not my fault more came.
The orignal post was not directed towards u to begin with, and if u note that F4U was me, and i was comming strait for u the rest of the masses was climbing.
I dont see how that screenshot prooves anything other than a normal fight in MA, there was no ganging there were tons of planes on both sides. As usual.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with ya Warlock. I never said you should do anything different. All I was referencing was your comment about diving on 5 P38s essentially by yourself, which wasn't what happened. You said it was our SA that got us killed. That wasn't true either. SA is a wonderful thing but when the numbers are overwhelming in one direction, you are gonna die sooner then later cause you can't watch everyone. At one point in the film it's 20 Rooks fighting 5 Knits. Rooks in Spits at 18K on down. Hardly a normal fight.
What was different that night for me anywy, was I started Rooks and folks were absolutely determined to kill decent fights and take bases with overwhelming odds. I was told point blank, that doing that was the correct way to play Aces High. When we who wanted to dogfight moved, the crowd followed and the next decent fight was killed again.
So we went to the Knits and were on the recieving end of that mentality. Overwhelming numbers with alt and E swamping bases as fast as they could.
Is that the right way to play? Clearly some folks have fun doing that. More power to em. I don't enjoy it, but I'll not tell them to stop, nor will I contribute by being part of the horde. That's my choice as It's not fun for me.
My point from the beginning is folks should fly the way they want to and not worry about what someone else thinks. There is no right way. The key to the AH kingdom is whether you are having fun or not.
That is ALL that matters. The sooner folks realize that, the better off we'll all be.:aok
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Nutria is WindX...don't think Warlock is.
ack-ack
Ah, I didn't have a great deal of faith that he was, but they're certainly kindred spirits.
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I don't know.........reversing at 800 yards can be suicidal for most........reversing back with 1k to 1.2k is about right most times........waiting until you are 2.0k out to turn back is just the same as resetting a fight ........
if you trying to define "reversals" or reversing you prob need to give a very thorough lecture on it......simple antedotes will cause some to be shot down alot.......
reversing back into the enemy at 800 puts you giving the opponent with a larger surface area to shoot at for the most part..........
but we all have our opinions ;)
I am not saying I would not push for a reversal at 800, though.......but that is just me
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
rubbish! im sorry but it is.
OK. I'm in a Jug on the deck carrying 200 IAS with a Hurri IIC also showing 200 IAS on my 6 at 800 icon range. What type of ACM do I employ in this position??? At 1K icon range?
Let's say we're in the TA and we reset this situation 100 times in a row. Given the energy I have, and the geometry that exists, and an average MA pilot in a Hurri II, 99 times out of a 100 I die trying any type of maneuver other than extending out beyond "pray and spray" range.
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point taken TC, maybe its looking through my eyes that makes reversal techs seem too simple. its not just a flat turn from 800yrds and hope they overshoot.....for me 1k-800yrds is my perfect reversal zone for any plane vs any plane, thats just me and we all develope different styles.
And Stoney, your 99/100 stat maybe true. so that would mean that the 1/100 manouver would be the one you want to concentrate on. maybe next time you will win 5/100?
lets also please remember the context of my point. you have started with advantage, blown it all, and ended up with the target now on your six. to not continue the fight now you are admiting you had everything for the taking and screwed it up so bad youre now forced to run away untill you can start holding all the cards again. my point is that having realised the other guy has outclassed you it does not teach you anything to just run and WHO KNOWS maybe you will will hit that 1/100 move first time.
remember please also that i entered to define what I (just me) considered running. I never once said that i dont ever run or that running is something to be ashamed of.
S!
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Greetings all,
Well, tonight, I am sober.
I would like to thank all for their comments (with only a handful getting off topic or personal) and insights into this discussion.
I have carefully weighed (almost spelt that wayed!) the comments and suggestions. I have decided to the following criteria to evaluate prior to extending (or running depending on the POV of the other pilot):
1: Did the turny bird pull a hard break turn to avoid my blazing caliber .50s of death?
2: Is the enmy pilot gaining angles?
3: Do I still have the speed to get away?
4: How fast will he accelerate?
If the answer to 1, 2 or 3 is yes, I leave.
If the the answer to 4 is - not very, I leave, otherwise throw caution to the winds!
So, to all you Spit, C202, C205, Hurri, P40, etc... drivers, tag me early and often cause I ain't staying around for ya. :)
Regards,
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Well I dont balive the right thing to do would of been to turn away because we had alt advantage, the numbers were even at start and it was not my fault more came.
The orignal post was not directed towards u to begin with, and if u note that F4U was me, and i was comming strait for u the rest of the masses was climbing.
I dont see how that screenshot prooves anything other than a normal fight in MA, there was no ganging there were tons of planes on both sides. As usual.
Also the only thing this proves is that I am the closest Rook to the enemy, which means I was the FIRST TO ENGAGE, I did not wait to cherry pick.
Befor u call me delusional, look at my plane and how far away it is from corky. Even in the SECOND frame I AM STILL THE CLOSEST ROOK!!! so how did i RUN!!!!!!!!!. All this screen shot really shows is a group of p38s foolishly engaing high cons without waiting for backup, that does not make me a gang tard or vulcher, makes me smart for taking a target of oppurtunity, better to kill them now, than to let them fly for a EVEN fight to end up killing more of us.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Also the only thing this proves is that I am the closest Rook to the enemy, which means I was the FIRST TO ENGAGE, I did not wait to cherry pick.
Befor u call me delusional, look at my plane and how far away it is from corky. Even in the SECOND frame I AM STILL THE CLOSEST ROOK!!! so how did i RUN!!!!!!!!!. All this screen shot really shows is a group of p38s foolishly engaing high cons without waiting for backup, that does not make me a gang tard or vulcher, makes me smart for taking a target of oppurtunity, better to kill them now, than to let them fly for a EVEN fight to end up killing more of us.
hmm well this did not work right, quoted the wrong post, but what i am refering to is the screenshots
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
point taken TC, maybe its looking through my eyes that makes reversal techs seem too simple. its not just a flat turn from 800yrds and hope they overshoot.....for me 1k-800yrds is my perfect reversal zone for any plane vs any plane, thats just me and we all develope different styles.
And Stoney, your 99/100 stat maybe true. so that would mean that the 1/100 manouver would be the one you want to concentrate on. maybe next time you will win 5/100?
lets also please remember the context of my point. you have started with advantage, blown it all, and ended up with the target now on your six. to not continue the fight now you are admiting you had everything for the taking and screwed it up so bad youre now forced to run away untill you can start holding all the cards again. my point is that having realised the other guy has outclassed you it does not teach you anything to just run and WHO KNOWS maybe you will will hit that 1/100 move first time.
remember please also that i entered to define what I (just me) considered running. I never once said that i dont ever run or that running is something to be ashamed of.
S!
Hmm so 5/100 is acceptible?? sorry i think i would extend out to about 1.5k and immelmen head on with him, dive under his fire(cause u know hes going to shoot) then loop over with the energy i have and BOOM!!!
when did we throw flying smart out the window? sorry batfink but practicing a 1/100 chance is not acceptible, but doing a manuver that would most certainly work seems more feesable.
Reason being is slow climbing 1.5 away and turning back into your enemy and diving into him will creat MORE ENERGY, and there is not much he can do but turn back the direction your ging, bleeding his energy. then a climbing loop back over to rope him and its over.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
point taken TC, maybe its looking through my eyes that makes reversal techs seem too simple. its not just a flat turn from 800yrds and hope they overshoot.....for me 1k-800yrds is my perfect reversal zone for any plane vs any plane, thats just me and we all develope different styles.
yep Bat, agreed the more we fly the shorter the distance becomes, you, Karaya, BluKitty etc etc..would all prob reverse back at 800 but for most they would prob need more distance. When looking at it as " I revrse at 800, and force the opponent to my 12" type thinking it seems simple. only because we have flown this situation many many times....for someone just now reading it and flying for a couple of months or more, they may find it to daunting of a task until they come in to their own...as you said we all have different flying styles.......and we did not obtain them overnight ;)
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
yep Bat, agreed the more we fly the shorter the distance becomes, you, Karaya, BluKitty etc etc..would all prob reverse back at 800 but for most they would prob need more distance. When looking at it as " I revrse at 800, and force the opponent to my 12" type thinking it seems simple. only because we have flown this situation many many times....for someone just now reading it and flying for a couple of months or more, they may find it to daunting of a task until they come in to their own...as you said we all have different flying styles.......and we did not obtain them overnight ;)
Agreed we all do, when im in a spit or 109 for example, i wont wait until the openent is 800 back i will let him get closer and closer until he is 600-400 out then force and overshoot. Its actually easier for me to start a fight with a con on my 6 , but hey thats my flying style right. :)
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Ok, from a real numpties point of view.....800 is too close for me to even consider reversing anyone........I wait until I'm at least 1k from them.....below that I'm scissoring, rolling, jinking etc to make sure I cant get shot.......(generally only from D400 and below tho). I rarely get people to overshoot.....but do do a good dragging now and again.......much to some peoples annoyance......on the rare occasions I've forced an overshoot.....I've enjoyed the battle to get it there, but in the MA, it makes you too much of a target.........(not complaining tho, means I have more people to shoot at :D )
Wurzel
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Originally posted by gpwurzel
Ok, from a real numpties point of view.....800 is too close for me to even consider reversing anyone........I wait until I'm at least 1k from them.....below that I'm scissoring, rolling, jinking etc to make sure I cant get shot.......(generally only from D400 and below tho). I rarely get people to overshoot.....but do do a good dragging now and again.......much to some peoples annoyance......on the rare occasions I've forced an overshoot.....I've enjoyed the battle to get it there, but in the MA, it makes you too much of a target.........(not complaining tho, means I have more people to shoot at :D )
Wurzel
Well never Turn back when u dont feel comfterble doing it.
Use your gut, there are alot of variables that come into play on deciding when to turn around on a bogy.
Plane u are in and Plane they are in his important.
Also the energy state and speed is just as important.
take for instance i fly the corsair, say i got a spit 600 in my six at 8k equal speed and E
If we are doing 200 Miles an hour then I am in trouble, what i would need to do is Dive until im doing about 450(bringing him into my element and therefore making me the best turner) also a spit will accelerate faster so i would draw him in closer, then i would hard break turn, force the overshoot and reverse in behind him.
However if we are on the deck doing 200 and he is 600 on me, my best option is to try to extend away, because under 250 a spit is a exellent turner and my corsair is more like a flying bath tub.
Once i extend to 1.2 or better then i will slow climb and turn around and dive in getting more speed, not saying i will win but the faster i am the better chance i have.
Learning the planes is essential to being a good dog fighter, Keeping the enemy in your element is usually going to give u success 9 times out of 10.
And remember when u are on someones six, u are most vulnurable to having something get on your six so situational awarness is key also.
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Thanks for the tips Warlock......I'm more than comfortable to turn back....(I just never stay alive very long after doing it....lol.....but its part of the learning process). I mainly fly the spit (either a 5, 8 or 9) or if bombing is the nights game....stuka or the b24....lol....so not the "uber" planes, but the planes I do fly, do give me a chance to get a kill or 2, my SA is in the lower ends lol......tho recently I have started staying alive a lot longer........which is odd as I haven't changed the way I fly or anything...lol...well, too much anyway.....as I said, its all part of the learning curve for me......as long as this game remains fun for me, I'll keep playing.....(like I have any choice, this is like internet crack or something)
Wurzel
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Honestly I dont GANG, guppy was right i did kill him twice while involved in another fight, but he was on someones six, I saved my teamaits LIFE, if thats ganging then I guess i GANG.
Warlock, you'd have less of a hard time on this board if you'd just be honest, even with yourself. You killed some guys that were already engaged. This means you cherry picked them....... so what?
In a furball of say, 30 on 30, it would be a miracle of Godlike proportions if all planes managed to match up into convenient 1v1's. That's just not the way it works in the MA. The naked, honest truth of it is that just about everyone in a furball is trying to "pick" an enemy.
Take a good look next time you are in a furball: this guy is going after that guy who is trying to kill another guy who is on the six of some other guy who is tying to kill a buff who is bombing the fighter hangars of a base where a lot of guys are upping who want to shoot the other guys. Again, just about everyone in a furball is cherry picking to one degree or another.
In a furball the majority of participants get shot down by people they themselves were not directly engaging(cherry picked).
Guppy makes a good point though that you should learn so you don't insult someone without merit: Not all people who get picked are picked because they had poor SA. There are several reasons this could happen, here's a few:
Numbers against became so great that they could do little about it as they didn't get a chance to disengage.
A recent ACM put them in a non-defensible position.
They wanted to kill the guy they were "on"
They just didn't care because the furball/fight is the fun for them and planes are free in the MA.
One of their kids fell and hurt herself and the pilot cares more for the welfare of the child than his/her cartoon plane.
Additionally, you really should get your own skill set into perspective. Flying around in the horde as I've so often see you do, or picking on the fringe of a fight(as has been levied against you in this thread) doesn't mean you have good SA, and no, it doesn't mean you are a "smart" pilot. It means you are a "survivalist". It doesn't mean you are a good cartoon pilot, nor does it mean you are a bad one.
Finally, all these declarations you make about your own talent level really don't have any credibility whatsoever. Here's an example why: The other day you and I, along with a couple of others, were capping a base where the fight had petered out. as we bounced hapless uppers I remarked that I was having a rough night because I was only getting assists. I then had to listen on range vox as you told me that you were getting the kills because you were "a great shot, an awesome shot". Curious, I checked your hit % and found it to be less than mine. I must tell you, I'm not a great shot, not an awesome shot. I don't even think I'm a "good shot" and you shoot a smidge less accurately than I do.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Hmm so 5/100 is acceptible?? sorry i think i would extend out to about 1.5k and immelmen head on with him, dive under his fire(cause u know hes going to shoot) then loop over with the energy i have and BOOM!!!
when did we throw flying smart out the window? sorry batfink but practicing a 1/100 chance is not acceptible, but doing a manuver that would most certainly work seems more feesable.
i think you missed my point warlock.
next time maybe it becomes 5/100 chance, then next time its 10/100 chance. after just a few short months you will find that your 1/100 chance uber manouver has become a 75/100 chance easy reversal kill.
im not really bothered to persue this much further though..
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I usually find that by the time I am out manouvered to the point that I have given bogie my 6, I pretty much know the capabilities of my opponent.
If I can see some silly error I made putting him there then I may try to force the over shoot.
If I figure that I am odds against on making him overshoot then then my Lavochkins throttle hits the wall and I carry out such evasives that allows me to "reset the fight".
In my mind he won the first bought of ACM and I am going to come back and try for the 2nd using every advantage I can muster whilst keeping every mistake to a minimum.
I have often "Run" all the way..........particularly when outnumbered and the result of me reversing is very (and unfortunately) predictable.
My Lavochkin is perfect for it........... it can engage and disengage as I wish and I dont wish to get stuck in silly (Low E) turn fights with ac much more suited to them.
If your opponent runs you won the engage ment interms of manouvering.............if the acm is all that matters what more do you want and who else has to know?
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Also the only thing this proves is that I am the closest Rook to the enemy, which means I was the FIRST TO ENGAGE, I did not wait to cherry pick.
Befor u call me delusional, look at my plane and how far away it is from corky. Even in the SECOND frame I AM STILL THE CLOSEST ROOK!!! so how did i RUN!!!!!!!!!. All this screen shot really shows is a group of p38s foolishly engaing high cons without waiting for backup, that does not make me a gang tard or vulcher, makes me smart for taking a target of oppurtunity, better to kill them now, than to let them fly for a EVEN fight to end up killing more of us.
LOL I give. For what it's worth Warlock, you didn't kill me that flight or Skyrock for that matter.
Boxboy came through in his 1C and got us both. Those big cannons hurt.
You didn't engage first, the Tempest did by making a high speed run from our 6 O'Clock. He missed but he got folks breaking while he went at lighting speed back up again so he coud BnZ some more.
You seem to think I called you a ganger. I never called you that, Skyrock did. You seem to be trying to convince folks of something that no one is arguing with you about.
You fly it your way, I'll fly it mine. As long as you are having fun and I am to, who cares?
That doesn't make you a better or smarter pilot. We're flying cartoon planes for heaven's sake. Relax before you burst :)
It's just not that big a deal.
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Who cares what the enemy thinks? Everyone knows we're not running a popularity contest? right?? extend,........ just when he gives up on you as a runner, , come back and zap him.:t
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When to reverse depends largely upon aircraft match up and relative speeds. In the F4U, if I can reverse at 800 yards and place a better turning in my forward quarter for more than a split second, I'm way too slow to begin with...
(and probably going to get taken out regardless if he's any kind of a decent stick)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Dont listen to this retard, hes one of the ones that wants to fight HIS fight they they were talking about. The whole point to winning a dogfight is to control the fight and make him do what u want him to do. So of coarse people are going to get ill when u wont do what they want u to do and then die.
That is where vulch tard, hoer, and runner all come into play, Fact is it is a 3d world and anything can happen.
Fight your own fight, remember dead men really cant talk back anyways;)
dear warlockl, shush, you suck,
Dear Everyone else,
i'm right. :aok
actually someone else is riht, play your way even if your way is boring and annoying. BUT! you should try just diving into a group of reds and furballing it up once, you'll love it. and you will notice yourself getting better and love it even more. try it :aok
EDIT: don't run that is stupid, it's a game you get anothe plane, fight someway
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Fight your fight and let the chips fall where they may on 200. If 200 gets annoying, you can always detune and if PMs come in, squelch works too.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Next is the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i was talking about.
Apparently skyrock must be tripping and falling into my bullets or something.
I guess I fly so wrong that HTC should take away my pilots license.
Seems to me thats what some of these, U SHOULD FLY THE WAY I TELL U TO guys thing.
Once again WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
oh and I forgot WAAAAAAAAAA
P.S. WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA stop whining about how someone else flys, seems to me it works cause u cant do anything to stop me.
With due respect to all, I believe that Lusche may have a cartoon copyright on the whole WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH thing.:lol
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First lets talk "Foolishly agressive":
I've flown victorious out of many me on 2's and me on 3's, a couple of me on 4's and one me on 5. I've never lived to tell about anything higher than that although I've had LOTS of practice in me on 10+'s. I used to dive into these joyfully all the time. Reason has toned down this response.
So, for me at least, my upper limit seems to be me on 3 if I want at least a decent chance of winning and flying away. If I engage in a me on 3 in the LWA's I can almost be assured it will become a me on 4-5 pretty quickly giving me plenty of "practice".
Bat suggests that I should keep playing at odds greater than me on 3. Bat, I bet even you have a limit. I doubt you or any of the better sticks will get out of a you on 10 alive (at least not very often).
So, the key to "foolishly agressive" is different for everyone given their past experience, skill levels and plane match-ups (for example I might pass on a me on 2 where the 2 consist of a speed burner and a turner because together they limit my options while I might take on 4 Pony's in a Spit if I can get them turning).
I say, know your own limits and push them within reason.
Now reversals:
I used to fly Spits only (and still do a fair amount). Reversing at 800-1000 might even be too late in a Spit with E. I'd prefer to reverse at 600-800.
In a Zeke or a Hurri that reverse can be brought in even further.
A 190A-8 is a very different matter. 190's, as everyone knows, barely turn. A reversal at 1K with good E can be done. Without E it's a suicide ticket. With a co-E plane chasing you you need 3-3.5K to bring the nose around nose-to-nose, therfore, a reverse to aquire their 6 has to be more in the neighborhood of 1.5-1.75K... further if the opponent is in a better turner.
Pinning a generic number on a reversal without taking into account plane match-ups and E states just isn't logical. Co-E a better turning plane can reverse sooner than a lesser turning plane. Simple physics at work. Bat, I'd LOVE to see you reverse a 190 800 out in front of me in a Hurri co-E.
All of that said, I do love the Internet bravado on these BBs.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Warlock, you'd have less of a hard time on this board if you'd just be honest, even with yourself. You killed some guys that were already engaged. This means you cherry picked them....... so what?
In a furball of say, 30 on 30, it would be a miracle of Godlike proportions if all planes managed to match up into convenient 1v1's. That's just not the way it works in the MA. The naked, honest truth of it is that just about everyone in a furball is trying to "pick" an enemy.
Take a good look next time you are in a furball: this guy is going after that guy who is trying to kill another guy who is on the six of some other guy who is tying to kill a buff who is bombing the fighter hangars of a base where a lot of guys are upping who want to shoot the other guys. Again, just about everyone in a furball is cherry picking to one degree or another.
In a furball the majority of participants get shot down by people they themselves were not directly engaging(cherry picked).
Guppy makes a good point though that you should learn so you don't insult someone without merit: Not all people who get picked are picked because they had poor SA. There are several reasons this could happen, here's a few:
Numbers against became so great that they could do little about it as they didn't get a chance to disengage.
A recent ACM put them in a non-defensible position.
They wanted to kill the guy they were "on"
They just didn't care because the furball/fight is the fun for them and planes are free in the MA.
One of their kids fell and hurt herself and the pilot cares more for the welfare of the child than his/her cartoon plane.
Additionally, you really should get your own skill set into perspective. Flying around in the horde as I've so often see you do, or picking on the fringe of a fight(as has been levied against you in this thread) doesn't mean you have good SA, and no, it doesn't mean you are a "smart" pilot. It means you are a "survivalist". It doesn't mean you are a good cartoon pilot, nor does it mean you are a bad one.
Finally, all these declarations you make about your own talent level really don't have any credibility whatsoever. Here's an example why: The other day you and I, along with a couple of others, were capping a base where the fight had petered out. as we bounced hapless uppers I remarked that I was having a rough night because I was only getting assists. I then had to listen on range vox as you told me that you were getting the kills because you were "a great shot, an awesome shot". Curious, I checked your hit % and found it to be less than mine. I must tell you, I'm not a great shot, not an awesome shot. I don't even think I'm a "good shot" and you shoot a smidge less accurately than I do.
You are right Steve, I never said I didnt PICK, I will PICK a enemy off a squadies or freindlys tail any day of the week. HOWEVER GANGING IS NOT MY GAME, I dont balive in going after a con that already has 3 people jockying for position to kill him when hes already dead but just a matter of time. However if i see a 1 on 1 and the guy is taking FOREVER to get a shot on him, i will ask him if he wants help. Because as I said befor, the longer u are ENGAGED the longer u are on the RED ZONE to get killed yourself.
Steve as a Boom and Zoomer yourself u know as well as I do, your Danger level increases the longer u stay 1 on 1 with someone in a furball. U either need to get the kill quick or give it to someone who can so u can rebuild energy for the endless waves of cons
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Warlock, you'd have less of a hard time on this board if you'd just be honest, even with yourself. You killed some guys that were already engaged. This means you cherry picked them....... so what?
In a furball of say, 30 on 30, it would be a miracle of Godlike proportions if all planes managed to match up into convenient 1v1's. That's just not the way it works in the MA. The naked, honest truth of it is that just about everyone in a furball is trying to "pick" an enemy.
Take a good look next time you are in a furball: this guy is going after that guy who is trying to kill another guy who is on the six of some other guy who is tying to kill a buff who is bombing the fighter hangars of a base where a lot of guys are upping who want to shoot the other guys. Again, just about everyone in a furball is cherry picking to one degree or another.
In a furball the majority of participants get shot down by people they themselves were not directly engaging(cherry picked).
Guppy makes a good point though that you should learn so you don't insult someone without merit: Not all people who get picked are picked because they had poor SA. There are several reasons this could happen, here's a few:
Numbers against became so great that they could do little about it as they didn't get a chance to disengage.
A recent ACM put them in a non-defensible position.
They wanted to kill the guy they were "on"
They just didn't care because the furball/fight is the fun for them and planes are free in the MA.
One of their kids fell and hurt herself and the pilot cares more for the welfare of the child than his/her cartoon plane.
Additionally, you really should get your own skill set into perspective. Flying around in the horde as I've so often see you do, or picking on the fringe of a fight(as has been levied against you in this thread) doesn't mean you have good SA, and no, it doesn't mean you are a "smart" pilot. It means you are a "survivalist". It doesn't mean you are a good cartoon pilot, nor does it mean you are a bad one.
Finally, all these declarations you make about your own talent level really don't have any credibility whatsoever. Here's an example why: The other day you and I, along with a couple of others, were capping a base where the fight had petered out. as we bounced hapless uppers I remarked that I was having a rough night because I was only getting assists. I then had to listen on range vox as you told me that you were getting the kills because you were "a great shot, an awesome shot". Curious, I checked your hit % and found it to be less than mine. I must tell you, I'm not a great shot, not an awesome shot. I don't even think I'm a "good shot" and you shoot a smidge less accurately than I do.
You are right Steve, I never said I didnt PICK, I will PICK a enemy off a squadies or freindlys tail any day of the week. HOWEVER GANGING IS NOT MY GAME, I dont balive in going after a con that already has 3 people jockying for position to kill him when hes already dead but just a matter of time. However if i see a 1 on 1 and the guy is taking FOREVER to get a shot on him, i will ask him if he wants help. Because as I said befor, the longer u are ENGAGED the longer u are on the RED ZONE to get killed yourself.
Steve as a Boom and Zoomer yourself u know as well as I do, your Danger level increases the longer u stay 1 on 1 with someone in a furball. U either need to get the kill quick or give it to someone who can so u can rebuild energy for the endless waves of cons
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i think you missed my point warlock.
next time maybe it becomes 5/100 chance, then next time its 10/100 chance. after just a few short months you will find that your 1/100 chance uber manouver has become a 75/100 chance easy reversal kill.
im not really bothered to persue this much further though..
Batfink u know as well as i do a P47 Turning back on a Hurri with equal speed and E on the deck is not going to work on anything but Inexperienced pilot. Your survivability is only going to be determined by the skill of the pilot in the hurricane not by a miraculouse manuver that u have perfected. The jug is outclassed in Acceleration, Climb, and Turning to the hurricane on the deck. So turning back that soon will even give away the chance of extending out again. Any descent hurrican pilot would know what to do when a jug turned back on them.
Once again dont throw SMART out the window, yes it may be fun to GIVE IT A TRY, but not everyone is flying that way. What this orignal post was about befor people started bashing it, was a new guy simply wanting to know some of he best manuvers to do in sticky situations.
He is trying to stay alive and live longer so that he can get a few kills and maybe let to land them.
GRIM himself told me, NEVER try to reverse a hurricane of equal energy,
I use to always try to reverse hurricanes in my corsair, Grim told me everytime he saw me do that he smiled, because he knew exacly what to do.
Grim tought me how to fight a hurricane, and now i never have problems with him.
Fact is the right way to fight a hurricane is keep your speed and zoom climb, why u ask? a hurricane is pretty much the top 3 SLOWEST fighter planes. However its acceleration and E managment is GREAT. So u can quickly lose the advantage by slowing down.
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I read as match as I could. Thread is too long lol. There is one thing I see in here. After all these years in the game, people, including vets are suggesting to use your planes strengths in order to win the fight. Then they proceed to explain that that means extending (or running). WTF?
After all these years in the game you still look at it as who can turn better? If you have a Hurri diving on your six then yes, do what you have to. But co e HO merge and all you can come up with is, "yeah, couple of turns then run, don't play his game, must stay alive, etc" Why the couple of turns? just in case he does not know how to pull on the stick?
Use your plains strengths. Go up!!!!. Slow the Hurri down to the point that its useless. Then pull up. I can show you what I mean if you like.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
HOWEVER GANGING IS NOT MY GAME, blah blah blah blah blah blah!
:rofl
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
I totally agree, know your plane, use its advantages.:aok
all these post and no one commented on his AVATAR 5point love the avatar :aok
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Originally posted by ColKLink
Who cares what the enemy thinks? Everyone knows we're not running a popularity contest? right?? extend,........ just when he gives up on you as a runner, , come back and zap him.:t
And you wonder why you're so easy to shoot down...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by dedalos
I read as match as I could. Thread is too long lol. There is one thing I see in here. After all these years in the game, people, including vets are suggesting to use your planes strengths in order to win the fight. Then they proceed to explain that that means extending (or running). WTF?
After all these years in the game you still look at it as who can turn better? If you have a Hurri diving on your six then yes, do what you have to. But co e HO merge and all you can come up with is, "yeah, couple of turns then run, don't play his game, must stay alive, etc" Why the couple of turns? just in case he does not know how to pull on the stick?
Use your plains strengths. Go up!!!!. Slow the Hurri down to the point that its useless. Then pull up. I can show you what I mean if you like.
U ever tried to outclimb a hurricane in a corsair with equal E?, for that matter u ever tried to outclimb ANYTHING with a corsair, that was my whole point dedalos, it depends on the plane with what u should do, but a smart pilot will break off his turns if he is losing, THATS SMART FLYING.
I guess in the eyes of some people if we know we are losing the battle we should just stay there and let them get the kill.
Listen to what u are saying, In any dogfight the one losing the turning battle is going to try to regain the advantage somehow, Extending is not running, thats just what a slow plane flyer says.
ACM TACTICS INCLUDE,
Turning
Boom and Zoom
Roping
Scissors
Rolling scissors
Immelmens
Spit-S
Why is it all these tacticts seem to be accepted exept the BOOM And ZOOM method?
Seems only the slow plane flyers have a problem with the boom and zoomers becaue they wont TURN with them.
I think this brings back the original point of MAKE THEM FIGHT YOUR FIGHT.
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I don't think anyone's taking issue with BnZing, but more with the fact that what you describe doing, isn't what anyone sees you doing.
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warbflock
you talk(type) a lot for a noob, pathetic ill say this you run real well, HO even better, fly smart? its a game have FUN,
im still waiting for the film
MWL
Aces High is an awesome combat flight sim the best there is, in fact.
its about having fun, i have flown all styles, been in AH since tour 52, not a "old timer" but more than long enough to know what i am talking about, warlock is an noob who thinks he is great, dont pay too much attention to him.
seriously though it is about having fun, if you care what other people think about you and getting respect in the community,
fly with respect, they will give you respect. not all though
if making the NME angry is what makes you happy than by all means fly that way (HO,vulch,pick,ackhug,talk trash on 200, ect. ect.)
just dont let others dictate how you fly
welcome to Aces High
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An F4u co-E with a hurricane should destroy it, unless you are both slow. Which in Wackalockl's case I bet is never the issue.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
U ever tried to outclimb a hurricane in a corsair with equal E?, for that matter u ever tried to outclimb ANYTHING with a corsair, that was my whole point dedalos, it depends on the plane with what u should do, but a smart pilot will break off his turns if he is losing, THATS SMART FLYING.
I guess in the eyes of some people if we know we are losing the battle we should just stay there and let them get the kill.
Listen to what u are saying, In any dogfight the one losing the turning battle is going to try to regain the advantage somehow, Extending is not running, thats just what a slow plane flyer says.
ACM TACTICS INCLUDE,
Turning
Boom and Zoom
Roping
Scissors
Rolling scissors
Immelmens
Spit-S
Why is it all these tacticts seem to be accepted exept the BOOM And ZOOM method?
Seems only the slow plane flyers have a problem with the boom and zoomers becaue they wont TURN with them.
I think this brings back the original point of MAKE THEM FIGHT YOUR FIGHT.
Ummm...not one to split hairs or anything and I'm sure as the uber ace you are, you knew this already but....Immelmen and the Split-S aren't tactics but examples of basic Air Combat Maneuvers (ACM to us laymen that aren't in your sphere of ace greatness). Basically, these are maneuvers that can be used for certain tactics but these moves in themselves aren't tactics. But then, I'm not an uber aces such as yourself so YMMV.
ack-ack
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Am I an uber ace? I wanna be an uber ace. Can I just proclaim myself one? Whoohooo! Behold my sphere of greatness.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Stang
An F4u co-E with a hurricane should destroy it, unless you are both slow. Which in Wackalockl's case I bet is never the issue.
Not CO-E in a climb stang, less we forget a corsair is one of the slowest accelerators, and one of the worse climbers.
You are not totally wrong a 4 hog would be able to keep up better, but a hog vs a hurricane in a climb the corsair is going to slow down ALOT faster and stall earlier than the hurri will. The corsair would need atlest 75mph more speed to climb and keep out of gun range befor the hurri stalled
AND INK, dont make me break out the vidio of me handing you your ars in the DA after u started whining about the way i fly.
U still claim i hoed u int he DA i got the film, and can post it if u feel the need to see it, but watch your own dang vidio.
How could i HO U when from the cockpit of your plane u could not even see my plane in your FOV. i was more at your 10 or 9 o clock.
So lay off it
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Ummm...not one to split hairs or anything and I'm sure as the uber ace you are, you knew this already but....Immelmen and the Split-S aren't tactics but examples of basic Air Combat Maneuvers (ACM to us laymen that aren't in your sphere of ace greatness). Basically, these are maneuvers that can be used for certain tactics but these moves in themselves aren't tactics. But then, I'm not an uber aces such as yourself so YMMV.
ack-ack
umm u just made no sense, i called them ACMS and u told me they are not tactics but basic ACM
what part of ACM tactics did u not see??
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Once again just the regular group of GANG HOUNDS looking to pick a fight. Just because I know how to fly dosnt mean i proclam myself to be a ace.
But in your opinion WHAT IS A ACE.
Seems to me knowone can be an ace but the ones that come in here in the BBS and want to talk about how others fly and how they do it wrong.
Fact is I may be new blood but NONE of u know my background, I have been playing Flight sims since DOS, and was frequently in the top ranks in air warrior 1 and 3.
I guess knowone but u guys can have knowledge.
I am not a SELF proclaimed ace,
Come to the rook side and ask people about me and if they think I am a ace or not.
All I know is i KILL way more than I get killed by, and I own people in reversals all the time.
My definition of a true ace is someone who can turn a fight from a dis-advantage to a advantage.
Oh and whining all the time about hoers and gang tards just means u cant figure out how to avoid it, thus describing how low your skill lvl is
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Mole,
With your question foremost in my mind yesterday, I logged onto the MA shortly after reading this post.
First engagement, I was in an F4U 3/4 of the way between our field and the enemy field. I had previously been sprinkled by a B-17 flight before running into a lone pony. I came in from his 6, and with about 2k altitude advantage and was rapidly approaching. I know this guy saw me, and what I think he was doing was slowing down and baiting me in. At any rate, at 800 out he broke and I sprinkled him, then overshot. In the vertical, I lost sight of him in the star wars blast shield behind my head. I'm looking and looking and can't find him, so I point the nose down and extend.
Sure enough, he's sitting 400 off my nose high and he puts bullets all over my plane.
As we pass, I just keep the gas on and since I have way more speed than him now, as he reverses he settles 1.5k out on my 6. I'm headed flat out for home and I see on the text buffer "run F4U" to which I replied, "Hey you can catch me, if you want me come and get it." I have a sector and a half to go to get home and a pony should easily catch me.
I egressed to home and landed my shot up plane.
Next sortie I up a P-51D, hoping to run into my friend. Instead, I run into a pair of P-47's in close formation, and a spit 8 engaged with a friendly. The friendly quickly gets shot down by one of the P-47's. Now, I'm sitting comfortably with the choice to evade the second P-47 and egress, or stay and fight a 3v1, at least two of whom were a team. I elected to stay. We went several turns although I couldn't get a gun solution as every time I had one getting close, another was setting up his run. Alas, I blacked myself out on one turn, and in the 30 second timeout BEARKATTS shot me down. I didn't really expect to live 3v1 though.
So, all in all, I have to say that, while fun, I didn't find getting shot down any more satisfying than running home and landing alive.
To each their own, but I believe I'll stick with the disengagement option for now.
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Originally posted by toonces3
Mole,
With your question foremost in my mind yesterday, I logged onto the MA shortly after reading this post.
First engagement, I was in an F4U 3/4 of the way between our field and the enemy field. I had previously been sprinkled by a B-17 flight before running into a lone pony. I came in from his 6, and with about 2k altitude advantage and was rapidly approaching. I know this guy saw me, and what I think he was doing was slowing down and baiting me in. At any rate, at 800 out he broke and I sprinkled him, then overshot. In the vertical, I lost sight of him in the star wars blast shield behind my head. I'm looking and looking and can't find him, so I point the nose down and extend.
Sure enough, he's sitting 400 off my nose high and he puts bullets all over my plane.
As we pass, I just keep the gas on and since I have way more speed than him now, as he reverses he settles 1.5k out on my 6. I'm headed flat out for home and I see on the text buffer "run F4U" to which I replied, "Hey you can catch me, if you want me come and get it." I have a sector and a half to go to get home and a pony should easily catch me.
I egressed to home and landed my shot up plane.
Next sortie I up a P-51D, hoping to run into my friend. Instead, I run into a pair of P-47's in close formation, and a spit 8 engaged with a friendly. The friendly quickly gets shot down by one of the P-47's. Now, I'm sitting comfortably with the choice to evade the second P-47 and egress, or stay and fight a 3v1, at least two of whom were a team. I elected to stay. We went several turns although I couldn't get a gun solution as every time I had one getting close, another was setting up his run. Alas, I blacked myself out on one turn, and in the 30 second timeout BEARKATTS shot me down. I didn't really expect to live 3v1 though.
So, all in all, I have to say that, while fun, I didn't find getting shot down any more satisfying than running home and landing alive.
To each their own, but I believe I'll stick with the disengagement option for now.
Dont worry about what others say to u, his msg of RUN F4U was just trying to heckle u to turn around on him. If u already had been peppered twice and wont suffering from seriouse damage, then the next hit would probly take off something important. The fact is if u didnt feel comfterble turning around on him then dont. However just a tip for next time, if u had zoom climbed a little bit and immilmanned back into him, and flew to the side u would have coaxed him into turning to get a shot, then since your speed was alot faster and he was already bleeding his off in the turn, if u had went verticle on him then he would of lost the fight. U would have either shot him down after the stall, or he would of ran like most ponys do.
A pony calling a Corsair a runner is like the pot calling the kettle black.
He only said it because u wouldnt fight his fight.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
You are not totally wrong a 4 hog would be able to keep up better, but a hog vs a hurricane in a climb the corsair is going to slow down ALOT faster and stall earlier than the hurri will. The corsair would need atlest 75mph more speed to climb and keep out of gun range befor the hurri stalled
Really?
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Fact is I may be new blood but NONE of u know my background, I have been playing Flight sims since DOS, and was frequently in the top ranks in air warrior 1 and 3.
So we could all get a bigger laugh out of this thread, what was your CPID in AW?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Once again just the regular group of GANG HOUNDS looking to pick a fight. Just because I know how to fly dosnt mean i proclam myself to be a ace.
All I know is i KILL way more than I get killed by, and I own people in reversals all the time.
Geez, you really are never going to get it are you? Let others discuss your skills. It's for others to decide if you are an "ace". You certainly aren't going to hear a lot of positive feedback when you are breaking an arm to pat yourself on the back. Shut up, already.
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If he's -Pal I'm gonna **** a brick.
:lol
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
So we could all get a bigger laugh out of this thread, what was your CPID in AW?
ack-ack
RAGS? :)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
U ever tried to outclimb a hurricane in a corsair with equal E?, for that matter u ever tried to outclimb ANYTHING with a corsair, that was my whole point dedalos, it depends on the plane with what u should do, but a smart pilot will break off his turns if he is losing, THATS SMART FLYING.
I guess in the eyes of some people if we know we are losing the battle we should just stay there and let them get the kill.
Listen to what u are saying, In any dogfight the one losing the turning battle is going to try to regain the advantage somehow, Extending is not running, thats just what a slow plane flyer says.
ACM TACTICS INCLUDE,
Turning
Boom and Zoom
Roping
Scissors
Rolling scissors
Immelmens
Spit-S
Why is it all these tacticts seem to be accepted exept the BOOM And ZOOM method?
Seems only the slow plane flyers have a problem with the boom and zoomers becaue they wont TURN with them.
I think this brings back the original point of MAKE THEM FIGHT YOUR FIGHT.
As I said, I read as match as I could. Never got to your post, but it kind of prove my point. Thanks for the ACM lesson, lol. I assume you are kidding because the F4U will eat the hurri for breakfast. Your question about out climbing the Hurri just shows that you dont know anything more than either BnZ or pull hard on the stick to turn.
I'll be in the DA tonight if you want to see what I am talking about
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Geez, you really are never going to get it are you? Let others discuss your skills. It's for others to decide if you are an "ace". You certainly aren't going to hear a lot of positive feedback when you are breaking an arm to pat yourself on the back. Shut up, already.
Where is Sky when you need him? :rofl
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Dedalos, were I able to get online tonight, I'd love to take you up on the offer of a good beatdown........(you'd get bored shooting me so easily, but pretty sure I'd learn a lot.........)........damn night shifts...maybe when I get some time off? (hopefully this wont sound like I'm challenging you or anything, as I'm not....)
Wurzel
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
umm u just made no sense, i called them ACMS and u told me they are not tactics but basic ACM
what part of ACM tactics did u not see??
Okay, I'm going to type this really slow and hope that you'll be able to understand. Forgive my simple writing as I'm only a mere layman that basks in your glory of uberness.
Air Combat Maneuvers are exactly what the words mean. Basically, these are maneuvers that can be used for certain tactics but these moves in themselves aren't tactics. Examples are Split-S and the Immelmen. These maneuvers can be used to avoid an enemy attack but the moves themselves aren't the tactic, just the "ingredients" that make up the employed tactic.
Another example, is the Boom and Zoom. BnZ is a tactic and not a maneuver. To flesh this out further, you can say that the Cuban-8 or a Half-Cuban are Air Combat Maneuvers that can be used when employing BnZ tactics.
But then, you being the uber ace of Aces High, you already knew this.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Guppy35
RAGS? :)
LMAO! That was my first thought too
ack-ack
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Fact is I may be new blood but NONE of u know my background, I have been playing Flight sims since DOS, and was frequently in the top ranks in air warrior 1 and 3.
Wow, did you start playing in the womb?
Bronk
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jugs are not turn fighters, not unlike the pony and the P38. Thus all one can do when one gets into trouble is, well... Run.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
jugs are not turn fighters, not unlike the pony and the P38. Thus all one can do when one gets into trouble is, well... Run.
Hehehe... He said jugs.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Geez, you really are never going to get it are you? Let others discuss your skills. It's for others to decide if you are an "ace". You certainly aren't going to hear a lot of positive feedback when you are breaking an arm to pat yourself on the back. Shut up, already.
WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA, leave it to a muppet to tell everyone what they should think
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Originally posted by dedalos
As I said, I read as match as I could. Never got to your post, but it kind of prove my point. Thanks for the ACM lesson, lol. I assume you are kidding because the F4U will eat the hurri for breakfast. Your question about out climbing the Hurri just shows that you dont know anything more than either BnZ or pull hard on the stick to turn.
I'll be in the DA tonight if you want to see what I am talking about
I go from experience dedalos, if u are talking about a corsiar thats already going 250 then YES IT WILL OUTCLIMB A HURRI,
Almost everytime i try to outclimb a hurricane, they start at 800 out and during the verticle climb they close on me, so unless i do my math backwards when they close in from 600 to 400 then that means im slowing down faster, and thats close enuf range for any hurri to get a lucky shot.
Considering the ones that are arguing with me on this almost NEVER fly corsairs, all im going to say is grab a corsair find a hurricane, and find out.
see u guys are talking about a HEAD ON CO ALT CO E MERGE, i am talking about when the hurricane is already on your six 800 out, which if u read the post that is what im talking about. so go ahead and climb next time u get a hurricane on your six in a corsiar. See for yourself
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Okay, I'm going to type this really slow and hope that you'll be able to understand. Forgive my simple writing as I'm only a mere layman that basks in your glory of uberness.
Air Combat Maneuvers are exactly what the words mean. Basically, these are maneuvers that can be used for certain tactics but these moves in themselves aren't tactics. Examples are Split-S and the Immelmen. These maneuvers can be used to avoid an enemy attack but the moves themselves aren't the tactic, just the "ingredients" that make up the employed tactic.
Another example, is the Boom and Zoom. BnZ is a tactic and not a maneuver. To flesh this out further, you can say that the Cuban-8 or a Half-Cuban are Air Combat Maneuvers that can be used when employing BnZ tactics.
But then, you being the uber ace of Aces High, you already knew this.
ack-ack
So nice of u to tell everyone what U SAY makes a tactic, first of all a SPLIT-S and a Immelman can be a tactic, it can be a tactic to get a con off your six, or to manuver into a position for attack, WHICH IS A TACTIC.
Just like ground trooks use FLANK as a TACTIC, its a single move, but its a TACTIC.
Read the definition of the word, and the fact that u had to DICTATE what u DERTERMIN a a tactic, does not make u right, it just proves my point once again of the FEW who balive they know more than everyone else, and knowone else can be right.
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War what was your handle in AW?
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I go from experience dedalos, if u are talking about a corsiar thats already going 250 then YES IT WILL OUTCLIMB A HURRI,
What i ment was 450, 250 is the speed that a hurrican will decimate a corsair
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA, leave it to a muppet to tell everyone what they should think
I was just trying to help you learn some humility, which would benefit you greatly. What do I get? I get some juvenile response that your average 4th grader could have come up with.
I see now that you are most deserving of the thrashing you receive on these boards. In fact, you are such a dumbarse, such an insufferable jerk that I look forward to pounding on you myself. Of course, you are such an easy target, I may let one of my nephews handle it.
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Originally posted by Stang
War what was your handle in AW?
Same as it is here, I played about 10 years ago, stopped playing flight sims for a while, got engaged moved, moved again, eventually didnt even have a computer(caused to many problems in the relationship) then moved back home where i had nothing but dial up so only played offline singe player flight sims, then when i got the internet back i looked up AIR WARRIOR and found this game.
I only played air warrior 3 for about 2 years, i quit when AOL started charging by the hour to play, then i picked it up again when GAMESTORM started hosting it for about 15 a month.
My handle was WARLOCK there as well, but honestly i could not tell u what squadron i was in, all i know is it was a BOMBER squadron and thats what i did primarily, and our squad was always number one in the rankings, and myself and most the other players in squad held the top 10 spots in bombing
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Originally posted by Stang
War what was your handle in AW?
I'm kinda curious about that myself. Especially as DOS guys seem to
be coming out of the woodwork lately. Strange thing is, I've never heard
of half of them and it's not like DOS was all that big.
I really enjoyed my part in the great Rags 56th vrs JG 54 squad duel
when Rags decided that his group of 3 month killers could wipe us out :D
Who knows, maybe we could have a reunion of sorts. :aok
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I was just trying to help you learn some humility, which would benefit you greatly. What do I get? I get some juvenile response that your average 4th grader could have come up with.
I see now that you are most deserving of the thrashing you receive on these boards. In fact, you are such a dumbarse, such an insufferable jerk that I look forward to pounding on you myself. Of course, you are such an easy target, I may let one of my nephews handle it.
Know what is nieve and adolescent is you guys always trying to get into a noodle MESURING contest with me everytime i post on this board. Everysingle time someone creats a post in here and someone u dont like says something on the topic, u imimidietly start the bashing and name calling and talking about how i or someone else FLYs and what there doing wrong.
Never once seen u try to give someone good advice, its always FLY LIKE I WANT U TO YOUR DOING IT WRONG SO YOUR A TARD.
That is why i use the term WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA on u all so much cause its basicly saying you are whining like a little baby, as i said befor, crying about how someone else flys.
I still recall the time me and u got into a 1 on 1 and u ran from me in your pony not knowing i was in a 4 hog, when i caught u and killed u, JUST REMEMBER WHAT U SAID TO ME. U guys can never give someone a SALUT for a honest kill.
IF I recall corretly u called me a CHERRY PICKER, when infact we were co alt and speed, u just made the mistake of diving in on a lower target.
That is why I dont respect what people like u say, NORE DO I NEED THE RESPECT OF SOMEONE WHO TELLS ME HOW I SHOULD FLY MY PLANE.
Its just the typical group that balives they are so good that no NEWB can kill them and if they do get killed by a NEWB, then that newb must of hoed, picked or vulched.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Where is Sky when you need him? :rofl
I'm nursing a broken arm after trying what Steve said about patting myself on the back!:D
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UM GUYS DOS as in MS-DOS PROMT;) LOL please tell me someone remembers, technicly it was back in the days of windows 95 however, the air sims i had u had to put the disk in then shut the computer down to MS-Dos and type in c:/so and so and so to get the game to play
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And for all those who want to pick on my spelling, once again, i really dont care about how i type. My job dont require me to type, so there should definetly not be a game that requires me to type corretly.
Once again another thing for THE FEW who thing they are ALL MIGHTY to complain about.
If u really worry about how someone types on this BBS, then u may want to re-evaluate your home life.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Know what is nieve and adolescent is you guys always trying to get into a noodle MESURING contest with me everytime i post on this board. Everysingle time someone creats a post in here and someone u dont like says something on the topic, u imimidietly start the bashing and name calling and talking about how i or someone else FLYs and what there doing wrong.
Never once seen u try to give someone good advice, its always FLY LIKE I WANT U TO YOUR DOING IT WRONG SO YOUR A TARD.
That is why i use the term WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA on u all so much cause its basicly saying you are whining like a little baby, as i said befor, crying about how someone else flys.
I still recall the time me and u got into a 1 on 1 and u ran from me in your pony not knowing i was in a 4 hog, when i caught u and killed u, JUST REMEMBER WHAT U SAID TO ME. U guys can never give someone a SALUT for a honest kill.
IF I recall corretly u called me a CHERRY PICKER, when infact we were co alt and speed, u just made the mistake of diving in on a lower target.
That is why I dont respect what people like u say, NORE DO I NEED THE RESPECT OF SOMEONE WHO TELLS ME HOW I SHOULD FLY MY PLANE.
Its just the typical group that balives they are so good that no NEWB can kill them and if they do get killed by a NEWB, then that newb must of hoed, picked or vulched.
Well then take it to the da and best out a 5 is better. Or can't the ego take it?
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Well then take it to the da and best out a 5 is better. Or can't the ego take it?
Bronk
Who really needs a EGO fix there buddy, seems to be the ones that always Need to repair their ego after getting killed are so quick to go to DA, I go to DA when i feel like it not when someone tells me to.
Last time I checked my Daddy didnt play Aces High
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I am a dweeb, I type like a moron, and I continually make an arse out of myself on the BBS by claiming greatness but only gangtarding and hording in the MA. Please help me!
I think you're beyond help, but honesty is the first step!:aok
:rofl
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
My ego can't take the beating.
Anyone else read it this way?
If your bad arsed enough to spout off on how you have owned various muppets.
You should be bad arsed enough to take care of em in the DA , no?
Bronk
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I have come to relize that going to the DA dont matter anyways.
Last time i went with fester, I got the same excuses i heard in the MA when i killed him,
But when he killed me it was a completly different story KINDA WENT LIKE THIS
Warlock Kills Fester - (FESTER) U alt monkey, u have less fuel than me,
Fester Kills Warlock - (FESTER) U SUCK I OWN U, YOU couldnt kill me if your life depended on it.
My point is the one that calls the person to the DA to PROVE they they cant be beat, will still act the exact same way they do in MA, making excuses when they die, and talking about how they OWN u when they do get a kill on u.
Fact is u cant change someones personality, and some people just cant admit defeat.
I die all the time, I feel no need to complain about it, just 20 mins ago in the MA i got cherry picked and ganged by a LA,Pony, spit8. I didnt feel the need to complain abou it.
Just play the game and stop trying to dictate who is better than who.
and for your info, the aces i respect, respect me as a good pilot so thats all i need. I dont need to your aproval to be considered a good pilot.
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Never said anything about your competency as a virtual pilot.
Once again take it to the da and film it with agreed on rules. Then when they run their mouth on the BBS you can post the film of it.
But that is never going to happen now will it?
Bronk
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WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA
All muppets do is spend their entire Lifes in the DA, so of coarse they are all good at co alt co e 1 on 1, and thats why they always are the first to say GO TO DA SO I CAN OWN U,
Seems to me like u guys cant even get hard ons without owning cartoon airplanes, and i think each time i get shot down your noodle gets softer.
U always need that proof that u are the best dont u??
U guys either need to get a GF or start dating each other, because its pathetic that u need to feel like the alpha dog in a game.
The only reason u give me a hard time is because i can challange your ranks, and latley when u try to HUNT me u have been sent back to the tower the QUICK WAY, but not without your usual 200 banter about how i did it dishonerably.
Fact is, i could change my name tomorrow, fly with your country, and u would recruit me in your ranks.
U guys just fear me thats all. If u didnt u wouldnt feel so threatned by me
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Wow..just wow.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Never said anything about your competency as a virtual pilot.
Once again take it to the da and film it with agreed on rules. Then when they run their mouth on the BBS you can post the film of it.
But that is never going to happen now will it?
Bronk
Actually i have Film of me in the DA, each time i got CALLED there by someone who need to heal there EGO, all they ended up doing was getting Salt Poored in there, fact is if i went EVERYTIME i got called to DA i would live in there with the rest of u fellas.
I guess i play this game to have FUN, u guys should try that sometime
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I enjoy reading the miscellaneous ramblings of a "self-appointed cartoon ace".
I wish I could be 1/2 as good, maybe one of these days? On second, I'd rather have fun while playing this game and have a personality.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
INK, dont make me break out the vidio of me handing you your ars in the DA after u started whining about the way i fly.
U still claim i hoed u int he DA i got the film, and can post it if u feel the need to see it, but watch your own dang vidio.
How could i HO U when from the cockpit of your plane u could not even see my plane in your FOV. i was more at your 10 or 9 o clock.
So lay off it
i keep hearing about this film, LETS SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
i forgot to mention how much i look up to your amazing skillz, you are by far the best cherry picker there is.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I enjoy reading the miscellaneous ramblings of a "self-appointed cartoon ace".
I wish I could be 1/2 as good, maybe one of these days? On second, I'd rather have fun while playing this game and have a personality.
Direct that towards them not me, U forget I havent told anyone HOW THEY SHOULD THINK, or HOW THEY SHOULD FLY, but i guess if u like being told what to do as appose to having your own personality and opinion then by all means bash me away. I guess conferming to what everyone else wants is best right.
Seeing as how they fly your plane for u and pay your monthly dues.
Personally I rather fly my plane and not listen to their crap. But they persue me in every forum like a fat kid searching out a cup cake.
The only reason I dignify them with a response is because they will sit on the computer all night to see what I have to say next;)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
All muppets do is spend their entire Lifes in the DA, so of coarse they are all good at co alt co e 1 on 1, and thats why they always are the first to say GO TO DA SO I CAN OWN U,
Seems to me like u guys cant even get hard ons without owning cartoon airplanes, and i think each time i get shot down your noodle gets softer.
U always need that proof that u are the best dont u??
U guys either need to get a GF or start dating each other, because its pathetic that u need to feel like the alpha dog in a game.
The only reason u give me a hard time is because i can challange your ranks, and latley when u try to HUNT me u have been sent back to the tower the QUICK WAY, but not without your usual 200 banter about how i did it dishonerably.
Fact is, i could change my name tomorrow, fly with your country, and u would recruit me in your ranks.
U guys just fear me thats all. If u didnt u wouldnt feel so threatned by me
Ahh I see now, because they are better than you (one VS. one), you wont DA.
Thanks for proving the muppets points for them. Why can't you just accept the fact you make your MA living picking on the fringes of a fight? Hell I do it from time to time. The difference between me and you is I wont go spouting off about my 1337!!!11!!!! skills and not go to the da and back up. If I call someone out (Which I've only done a handful of times.)I'll damn well back it up.
Here is the funny part I've only had 1 taker when I called them out (freez you don't count as I didn't call you out.). Why, because like you they can't back up their mouth.
Fester and company may be a lot of things, but afraid of being beaten at cartoon flying isn't one of them. Sadly you can't say the same.
Bronk
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Actually i have Film of me in the DA, each time i got CALLED there by someone who need to heal there EGO, all they ended up doing was getting Salt Poored in there, fact is if i went EVERYTIME i got called to DA i would live in there with the rest of u fellas.
I guess i play this game to have FUN, u guys should try that sometime
Post it. Edit out the the chat and vox. Prove the 1337!! skills you claim.
Bronk
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
All muppets do is spend their entire Lifes in the DA, so of coarse they are all good at co alt co e 1 on 1, and thats why they always are the first to say GO TO DA SO I CAN OWN U,
Seems to me like u guys cant even get hard ons without owning cartoon airplanes, and i think each time i get shot down your noodle gets softer.
U always need that proof that u are the best dont u??
U guys either need to get a GF or start dating each other, because its pathetic that u need to feel like the alpha dog in a game.
The only reason u give me a hard time is because i can challange your ranks, and latley when u try to HUNT me u have been sent back to the tower the QUICK WAY, but not without your usual 200 banter about how i did it dishonerably.
Fact is, i could change my name tomorrow, fly with your country, and u would recruit me in your ranks.
U guys just fear me thats all. If u didnt u wouldnt feel so threatned by me
You really are beyond help. I think you are a fair to marginal cartoon pilot. I have been in the DA with you, and the first two sorties it was like being in the MA with you, you came in high and on my 6, you got me once, and the other time I finally milked your E down and killed you. The other fights were co-alt co-e same plane and you died trying to rope me every time. I saw no hint of reactionary flying from you and that is what makes a virtual ace. You have a few moves and you do quite well if you start with the advantage, other than that, your fair to middlin as we say in the south. You are definitely delusional about how things actually happen in any engagements you've had with our squad, hence the reason I call you a liar. You talk about us hunting you?:rofl To even get near your coward arse, you'd have to fly through 2 sectors of rooks. You are pretty much an easy kill if ever found 1 vs 1 co-alt co-e, but then again, that is as hard to find as, .....well.........you without a horde!:aok By all means, keep typing, your ignorance makes me laugh!:rofl
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Originally posted by ink
i keep hearing about this film, LETS SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
U tell me where I can host the Files for free, and i will gladly post them up, I think ther is 4 or 5 films total.
U should remember the day, after all u called me there after claiming i HOED your LA, and then in the DA after u died 4 times u brought out a LA.
and then claimed I hoed u again.
But if im not mistaken didnt your own SQUADDIE post a whole thread in here about how HOING is acceptibal, sounds very hypocrytical if u ask me
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
U tell me where I can host the Files for free, and i will gladly post them up, I think ther is 4 or 5 films total.
http://www.putfile.com/
Go for it boyo.
Bronk
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Originally posted by SkyRock
You really are beyond help. I think you are a fair to marginal cartoon pilot. I have been in the DA with you, and the first two sorties it was like being in the MA with you, you came in high and on my 6, you got me once, and the other time I finally milked your E down and killed you. The other fights were co-alt co-e same plane and you died trying to rope me every time. I saw no hint of reactionary flying from you and that is what makes a virtual ace. You have a few moves and you do quite well if you start with the advantage, other than that, your fair to middlin as we say in the south. You are definitely delusional about how things actually happen in any engagements you've had with our squad, hence the reason I call you a liar. You talk about us hunting you?:rofl To even get near your coward arse, you'd have to fly through 2 sectors of rooks. You are pretty much an easy kill if ever found 1 vs 1 co-alt co-e, but then again, that is as hard to find as, .....well.........you without a horde!:aok By all means, keep typing, your ignorance makes me laugh!:rofl
Damm skyrock im not very good with words.
you on the other hand said it perfectly
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Originally posted by Bronk
Ahh I see now, because they are better than you (one VS. one), you wont DA.
Thanks for proving the muppets points for them. Why can't you just accept the fact you make your MA living picking on the fringes of a fight? Hell I do it from time to time. The difference between me and you is I wont go spouting off about my 1337!!!11!!!! skills and not go to the da and back up. If I call someone out (Which I've only done a handful of times.)I'll damn well back it up.
Here is the funny part I've only had 1 taker when I called them out (freez you don't count as I didn't call you out.). Why, because like you they can't back up their mouth.
Fester and company may be a lot of things, but afraid of being beaten at cartoon flying isn't one of them. Sadly you can't say the same.
Bronk
Not afraid just dont need to prove myself to u. Is your noodle growing at the thought of shooting my cartoon airpane? sounds like it is.
Once again another muppet that needs to prove hes the alpha dog and needs to be thrown a bone. I have backed it up in the DA, just cause i havent done it with u, dont mean ive havent with all the other muppets that have called me out, some have beaten me, some havent.
U probly can beat me 1 on 1 co alt co E, because its what u live fore, and if u dont like MA then stay your ars out if it if u got a problem with out everyone flys in there, stick to what u know stay in the DA, and stop whinning and trying to get everyone to go there.
Like i said i go there when i want, if u catch me in there one night i will duel u, of not then oh well. I dont need to go looking for u to make myself feel better
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Originally posted by Bronk
Post it. Edit out the the chat and vox. Prove the 1337!! skills you claim.
Bronk
Of coarse you would like the edit out the chat and vox wouldnt u
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Originally posted by ink
Damm skyrock im not very good with words.
you on the other hand said it perfectly
:D
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Not afraid just dont need to prove myself to u. Is your noodle growing at the thought of shooting my cartoon airpane? sounds like it is.
Once again another muppet that needs to prove hes the alpha dog and needs to be thrown a bone. I have backed it up in the DA, just cause i havent done it with u, dont mean ive havent with all the other muppets that have called me out, some have beaten me, some havent.
U probly can beat me 1 on 1 co alt co E, because its what u live fore, and if u dont like MA then stay your ars out if it if u got a problem with out everyone flys in there, stick to what u know stay in the DA, and stop whinning and trying to get everyone to go there.
Like i said i go there when i want, if u catch me in there one night i will duel u, of not then oh well. I dont need to go looking for u to make myself feel better
Hey numpty, I'm not calling anyone here out or spouting off how I shot down anyone. You on the other hand have, get it yet?
You are thick, I'll give you that.
Bronk
Edit: just for the record numpty.
<------ Check the avatar. Been a pigstomper since 97 in AW on aohell.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Of coarse you would like the edit out the chat and vox wouldnt u
Well if there is cursing in text or vox, yes.
I wouldn't want your display off 1337!!! skills skuzzified before we can all be humbled by it.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Bronk
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
U tell me where I can host the Files for free, and i will gladly post them up, I think ther is 4 or 5 films total.
U should remember the day, after all u called me there after claiming i HOED your LA, and then in the DA after u died 4 times u brought out a LA.
and then claimed I hoed u again.
But if im not mistaken didnt your own SQUADDIE post a whole thread in here about how HOING is acceptibal, sounds very hypocrytical if u ask me
you are a complete moron we fought twice, it was YOU that challenged me to DA, because i was in LA and you where yappin at the lips on 200
i dont challage anyone to DA, and when we fought you showed me what a HOing master is like, i left DA after the second fight when i banked away from the HO you diddnt. you proved to me you have no Honor and every post you put up in here proves it even more
as far as my squady goes ya he HOs, HE wants to perfect it
me i try not to but i have, Anyone who has fought me in MA knows im a fighter i love to turn, ya i have HOd, i just dont make a habit of it.
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Bet he's busy editing his films to not show the breaking of agreed alt rule (before he posts them).
But thats just a guess. :noid :noid
Bronk
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Originally posted by SkyRock
You really are beyond help. I think you are a fair to marginal cartoon pilot. I have been in the DA with you, and the first two sorties it was like being in the MA with you, you came in high and on my 6, you got me once, and the other time I finally milked your E down and killed you. The other fights were co-alt co-e same plane and you died trying to rope me every time. I saw no hint of reactionary flying from you and that is what makes a virtual ace. You have a few moves and you do quite well if you start with the advantage, other than that, your fair to middlin as we say in the south. You are definitely delusional about how things actually happen in any engagements you've had with our squad, hence the reason I call you a liar. You talk about us hunting you?:rofl To even get near your coward arse, you'd have to fly through 2 sectors of rooks. You are pretty much an easy kill if ever found 1 vs 1 co-alt co-e, but then again, that is as hard to find as, .....well.........you without a horde!:aok By all means, keep typing, your ignorance makes me laugh!:rofl
Yeah who is the liar, U tell me how i came in on your six for a co alt co e merge??
And the last time we were in the DA was about 4 months ago, when i only had a few months experience. If i recall i shot u down once or so.
U were right back then i was a marginal pilot, and i have learned alot more since then, but i learn everyday, I still consider myself in the learning stages. But i guess guys like u are god all mighty and knowone can tell u anything
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Originally posted by ink
you are a complete moron we fought twice, it was YOU that challenged me to DA, because i was in LA and you where yappin at the lips on 200
i dont challage anyone to DA, and when we fought you showed me what a HOing master is like, i left DA after the second fight when i banked away from the HO you diddnt. you proved to me you have no Honor and every post you put up in here proves it even more
as far as my squady goes ya he HOs, HE wants to perfect it
me i try not to but i have, Anyone who has fought me in MA knows im a fighter i love to turn, ya i have HOd, i just dont make a habit of it.
http://savefile.com/projects/808541774
Download the files, wow Ink if you going to LIE that hard make sure the person dont have any proof, we had about 5 fights or so, this is only 4 the 5th one was the FIRST fight where if im not mistaken i AUGURED, and then had to listen to u talking about OWNING me.
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For those that dont know INK is JETSOM, not BODHI those files are there to, Unfortunetly I wasnt smart enuf to record my fights with Fester, Honestly because i balived whole heartedly that he would OWN ME, and im not afraid to admit it,
Unfortunetly to his and my suprise it didnt happen that way, he got 1 LEGIT kill on me and 2 HOES, but since i dont have proof i cant say anything. Maybe fester will be man enuf to post HIS FILM, but i highly doubt it, if he does post it, it will only be his WINS and not his LOSSES.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Bet he's busy editing his films to not show the breaking of agreed alt rule (before he posts them).
But thats just a guess. :noid :noid
Bronk
http://savefile.com/projects/808541774
Completly unedited and untouched, still in AHF format so u can look at all angles, and pay close attention to what INK calls a HO
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Ah, I didn't have a great deal of faith that he was, but they're certainly kindred spirits.
I know both guys in question personally - not the same guys.
Shamroc
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im at work right now i will watch at home
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
For those that dont know INK is JETSOM, .
i think my sig says it already
and if we fought more than twice than im wrong cool wont be the first or the last.
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Originally posted by shamroc
I know both guys in question personally - not the same guys.
Shamroc
U know its sad shamroc, that i cant even come in here and make a post on a descent thread, without listening to people bashing me and others about our fighting style. I guess what i really need to do is just not even honor these guys with a remark. which i think i will do for now on. My film proves that I can fly, and that I am honerable.
I got nothing to prove to anyone here, I only reply because i can take your banter and i dont like to see these same guys pick on others.
I probly do say some things I normally wouldnt say, but unfortunetly it is true, these guys really need to get a REAL life, and let others fly the way they want to. and dont give them grief about it.
If u dont like the way someone flys then find a way to fly better and shoot them down, U dont like the fact I fly with my squad, then get a bigger squad and come shoot me down.
My squad has 30 members whome alot of them are daily flyers, it is not my fault I LIKE FLYING with my squad.
It is no different when 10 muppets are on in the same area, they are going to be kicking butt and pushing the line forward.
So the pot really needs to stop calling the kettle black.
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Originally posted by ink
i think my sig says it already
Well INK I said that because some in here are ignorant enuf to not read signatures.
I wanted everyone to make sure they got the right files.
Also man this incident happend MONTHS ago, why are us till dwelling on it. If i hadnt got booted after that last round I would have offered to help you.
I really want u to see that I did not HO u so u can finally let this go, its sad i have to post films of this now.
Im not a bad guy, and I dont balive u are, what I do balive is u got worked up by getting shot down, some people do, and it was u that called me to DA unfortunetly i did not record all of your private PMS u sent to me calling me a names because I DID NOT WANT TO GO, I never want to go to DA when someone calls me out, because its nothing but a noodle mesuring contest.
HOWEVER, Friendly requests to DUEL will be answered if and when i feel like going to the DA.:aok
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
http://savefile.com/projects/808541774
Completly unedited and untouched, still in AHF format so u can look at all angles, and pay close attention to what INK calls a HO
My apologies for that comment. And no I didn't see one ho.
Bronk
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Know what is nieve and adolescent is you guys always trying to get into a noodle MESURING contest with me everytime i post on this board. Everysingle time someone creats a post in here and someone u dont like says something on the topic, u imimidietly start the bashing and name calling and talking about how i or someone else FLYs and what there doing wrong.
Never once seen u try to give someone good advice, its always FLY LIKE I WANT U TO YOUR DOING IT WRONG SO YOUR A TARD.
That is why i use the term WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA on u all so much cause its basicly saying you are whining like a little baby, as i said befor, crying about how someone else flys.
I still recall the time me and u got into a 1 on 1 and u ran from me in your pony not knowing i was in a 4 hog, when i caught u and killed u, JUST REMEMBER WHAT U SAID TO ME. U guys can never give someone a SALUT for a honest kill.
IF I recall corretly u called me a CHERRY PICKER, when infact we were co alt and speed, u just made the mistake of diving in on a lower target.
That is why I dont respect what people like u say, NORE DO I NEED THE RESPECT OF SOMEONE WHO TELLS ME HOW I SHOULD FLY MY PLANE.
Its just the typical group that balives they are so good that no NEWB can kill them and if they do get killed by a NEWB, then that newb must of hoed, picked or vulched.
You need to bone up on your comprehension skills, child.
Will you please show me anywhere in this thread where I "told" you how to fly your plane? anywhere in this thread? Anywhere at all in this thread?
As far as your story about shooting me down goes.. say whatever you like because I don't remember... I get shot down a lot. So feel free to tell the world how you own me, I simply don't care about that stuff. AHII is fun for me and my life is full of good things and success so I don't need any ego stroking as you obviously do.(you just do it yourself if someone isn't doing it for you)
I remember shooting you down one specific time. You caused a guy to overshoot on the deck and I was right behind him... I got you a second before you were going to get him. i only remember it because we had an exchange where I said something to the effect of "nice job forcing the overshoot".
The reason I remember is because later you went on to tell the world..... again... how great you are. I remember thinking. "I need to give up trying to be civil to this guy, he's just too immature and full of the need for affirmation."
Anyway, go ahead... show me where I told you how to fly... I'm waiting.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
(http://www.members.lycos.co.uk/l33tn00b/Pics/dillusional.jpg)
ack-ack
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See why is it when i post a thread certain few think im talking about them? steve i wasnt telling u that u tell me how to fly, heck people call u a alt monkey all the time, but u fly a pony and thats how u suppose to fly it, a low pony is a dead pony. but some of your OTHER brethren, seem to think the only place i belong is on the deck by myself.
U came into this thread talking about me, not the other way around. U and alot of others.
Im not a bad guy, i dont consider myself one of the BEST.
But I have knowledge of aircraft and ACMS, I know whats smart and what is not smart and for someone in this thread to tell a guy he should turn back on a plane cause its the RIGHT thing to do, to let him get a kill then that SIR I DONT AGREE WITH.
I am also confident in my abilities to FLY my CARTOON plane, and for someone to have a PROBLEM with that, then the PROBLEM is theirs not mine, it does not change who i am. It is them that cant handle it.
Your boys FESTER, SKYROCK, AND 1SADS seem to have the biggest problem with the way I fly, They call me all kinds of things
HOWEVER, I have been HOED by 1SADS regularly in his LA, Jumped by SKYROCK while i was in the process of being on someones six, and Lets not FORGET FESTER IN HIS 262.
My point is everyone thats been making comments on me can all have their flying brought into question.
Fact is, im not liked by a certain FEW because I have a opinion and I choose not to do what they say when they say.
Like I said befor, i could change my name, and get accepted into DAS MUPPETS any day.
AFTER ALL THEY ACCEPTED VANSCREW.
This whole mess needs to stop, this was another perfectly good thread that was destroyed by people who cant let me speak in peace.
I will give u the BENIFIT OF THE DOUBT steve, if u can find a place in this thread were i started talking junk on someone befor they started on me then be my guest. I say dont listen to that retard to one guy, but that was more fun that actually calling someone out.
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to BRONK I accept your apologies, u now see how when u join the masses to bash someone how it can quicky get out of hand and u say things u dont mean.
I may say some things I dont mean either, but it gets old listening to children act like they are in middle school talking about who plays mario the best.
I accept your apologies SIR and I to apologize for anything I may have said out of the way to u.
To the rest of u that think Im so BAD
WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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screw it im downloading game onto bosses comp. shhh
you are right war its been awhile so i really want to see these films
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Yeah who is the liar, U tell me how i came in on your six for a co alt co e merge??
And the last time we were in the DA was about 4 months ago, when i only had a few months experience. If i recall i shot u down once or so.
U didnt come on my 6 for a co-alt co-e merge, you were above me in a 4-hog the first time we met in DA. You did get me once, then we went same plane co-alt co-e merges and you got ownt!
:aok
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Well maybe after u see them, u will come to relize that I did not HO u, and understand what a HO is.
Just remember u brought the whole situation on yourself.
Like I said i got booted after the last duel which im sure i figured i just left.
Fact is when u watch these u should see what u did wrong, and even though i think im a butthole, i would still offer to show u what u did wrong
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Originally posted by SkyRock
U didnt come on my 6 for a co-alt co-e merge, you were above me in a 4-hog the first time we met in DA. You did get me once, then we went same plane co-alt co-e merges and you got ownt!
:aok
I guess u came into a base that u had no business being in, cause i duel with squaddies alot i guess u snuck in there somewhere an got what u deserved. Fact is, u dont OWN me, maybe months ago u would have.
On the other hand i wouldnt OWN u either it would be a challenging fight for both of us.
However your feeble mind probly wouldnt be able to accept that. so you will just continue to balive your gods gift to aces high
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Originally posted by SkyRock
U didnt come on my 6 for a co-alt co-e merge, you were above me in a 4-hog the first time we met in DA. You did get me once, then we went same plane co-alt co-e merges and you got ownt!
:aok
If I recall the GREAT SKYROCK ONCE TOLD ME, it takes atleast 2 or 3 to bring me down little boy. So how did one lonley NO SKILLED pilot shoot u down.
I thought your defintion of owning someone was taking their advantage and turning it into your advantage, looks like u may need to sharpen your skills a little, or talk a little less game one of the 2
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hey warlock ill say this you can handle the f4s
wheres the hurri fight?
so we dueled 5 times
also i did not see any HOs
so i retract those statments, about the HOs,in the DA,
allthough my opinion of you hasnt changed(cherry picker) i still think you think to much of your self but then again who cares what i think im insane :rofl :cry
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
http://savefile.com/projects/808541774
Download the files, wow Ink if you going to LIE that hard make sure the person dont have any proof, we had about 5 fights or so, this is only 4 the 5th one was the FIRST fight where if im not mistaken i AUGURED, and then had to listen to u talking about OWNING me.
what a coward twit, u came in 1.1k above him and went for the rope, I see nothings changed, you still suk as bad as you did 3 months ago!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
U know its sad shamroc, that i cant even come in here and make a post on a descent thread, without listening to people bashing me and others about our fighting style. I guess what i really need to do is just not even honor these guys with a remark. which i think i will do for now on. My film proves that I can fly, and that I am honerable.
I got nothing to prove to anyone here, I only reply because i can take your banter and i dont like to see these same guys pick on others.
I probly do say some things I normally wouldnt say, but unfortunetly it is true, these guys really need to get a REAL life, and let others fly the way they want to. and dont give them grief about it.
If u dont like the way someone flys then find a way to fly better and shoot them down, U dont like the fact I fly with my squad, then get a bigger squad and come shoot me down.
My squad has 30 members whome alot of them are daily flyers, it is not my fault I LIKE FLYING with my squad.
It is no different when 10 muppets are on in the same area, they are going to be kicking butt and pushing the line forward.
So the pot really needs to stop calling the kettle black.
Ur marginal at best but talk like you know something. All you got is an advantage to rely on, once that's gone, you pretty much suk as bad as the rest of the gangnewbs!:aok
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Originally posted by ink
hey warlock ill say this you can handle the f4s
wheres the hurri fight?
so we dueled 5 times
also i did not see any HOs
so i retract those statments, about the HOs,in the DA,
allthough my opinion of you hasnt changed i still think you think to much of your self but then again who cares what i think im insane :rofl :cry
I dont think to much of myself, i know im a skilled pilot, cant beat them all but i can beat some, and there is nothing wrong with saying that. I guess the hurri film got deleated because i was cleaning things out couple weeks ago because i have been running the air races and recording each of those so i organized and deleated alot.
But i dont mind telling everyone what happend.
U were in a hurricane, i was in a F4, co alt co e merged, each time i got on your six about 1k out u turned back into me, BUT DID NOT FIRE or even attemt to HO, however u did deny me shots which was the right thing to do, eventually i got tired of flying around and came down on top of u i had 3 notches of flaps and was turning very hard, at some point in the dive i got to fast and my flaps went up causing my corsair to snaproll because i was pulling to hard on the elevator.
Anyone who flys corsairs knows what im talking about they are very unstable at low speeds. I could not pull out of the dive since i was so close the the ground and flaps reset. So I crashed
I got no problems giving u that kill.
If u ever want to take me up on that offer let me know, if u get to know me u will relize I am not what u think i am.
It is really not my fault that someone cant handle I am a confident PILOT, there is no rule that says I cant talk about what i know. If someone has a problem with that then i would say they doubt your own abilities, and a pilot who is not confident and goes into a fight not thinking he is going to win ususally wont.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Like I said befor, i could change my name, and get accepted into DAS MUPPETS any day.
It's statements like this that is the reason you catch hell from us, you are a moron and talk like you are some ace vet. You don't see yourself doing it, but you do. Ask anyone whos heard you on range talking about how you are soooo good. We've seen you fight first hand and not one of us was impressed, like I said, you go for the rope, if you catch someone being agressive, and chasing you up, you might beat them, but if you can't kill them that way, ur screwed. It is why you fly with the rook horde, because you're a weak no skill hordling at heart. :aok
PS you will never get near an invitation into this squad!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
what a coward twit, u came in 1.1k above him and went for the rope, I see nothings changed, you still suk as bad as you did 3 months ago!:rolleyes:
Hey retard look at the film again HE DOVE FIRST.
Once again skyrock u telling me how to fly, I guess a true pilot should have made it easier for someone like u huh.
Can u not listen to yourself, there was absoluty nothing wrong with that duel
LOL SEE EVEN a 1 on 1 CO ALT CO E MERGE, SKYROCK IS GOING TO FIND SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT, no fight is fair unless skyrock wins or I lose.
Go suck on a lemon sourpuss
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Anyone who flys corsairs knows what im talking about they are very unstable at low speeds. I could not pull out of the dive since i was so close the the ground and flaps reset. So I crashed
I got no problems giving u that kill.
Here are two more statements :rofl
corsair is one of the most stable aircraft for its size at slow speeds.
you "GAVE" him the kill!
:rolleyes:
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Where has anyone told you how to fly in this thread? You are really hung up on that, and I'll admit to being a little confused. I don't see anyone telling you how to fly; what I do see are people telling you you aren't as good as you claim, and I think that's probably accurate.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Here are two more statements :rofl
corsair is one of the most stable aircraft for its size at slow speeds.
you "GAVE" him the kill!
:rolleyes:
Once again Tardlet cant let it go, not only is he disputing my kills on him, now he starts disputing my kills on everyone else.
Skyrock your IQ must drop a point with every idodic post u make on here.
You are just mad because this last week u been getting butt raped by me.
Im not impressed with your flying either buddy, u couldnt even shake me once from your six, I never have to make a second pass on u.
For someone to talk about me not having any skill and cant do anything but rope and have the advantage.
Then why are u always whining about gang tards and vulchers, WHY?? because apparently u dont have enuf skill to get out of a disadvantage yourself.
Heck i thought u were a good pilot, but ive come to relize, you are only good at 1 on 1 co alt merges because u practice them more than anything else, Fact is outnumberd u cant fight your way out of a paper bag.
Your countless whining about ganging, ho tards, pickers, and vulchers is proof to that fact
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Here are two more statements :rofl
corsair is one of the most stable aircraft for its size at slow speeds.
you "GAVE" him the kill!
:rolleyes:
Skyrock, remember that time u augered fighting me?? I guess I earned that kill to right?? anytime u make someone auger u give them the kill knuckle head
Post the entire thread next time skyrock, like how u left the part out where i told him he did everything exacly right.
Must be a good skill to take peoples posts edit out the part u dont like, leave the part u do like in there and start bashing someone
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Where has anyone told you how to fly in this thread? You are really hung up on that, and I'll admit to being a little confused. I don't see anyone telling you how to fly; what I do see are people telling you you aren't as good as you claim, and I think that's probably accurate.
U apparently arnt reading any of these posts, maybe u should start from the beginning and not he LAST page.
I told the ORIGNAL POSTER of this thread that he did not need to listen to people TELLING HIM HE IS SUPPOSE TO TURN AROUND, to allow the chaser a chance to kill him. That is how this mess started.
If u are going to be a late arrival and start giving your 2 cents read the ENTIRE thread.
Think what u want HUB, if u think im cocky why does it bother u so much? it shouldnt bother u unless u doubt your own skills. Skyrock balives he can OWN anyone yet u would defend him any day right??
Hub u dont even fly for my country, so u dont know what goes on. Infact pretty much everyone in here that feels the need to talk smack on me, never flys with me.
See u take what I say in here to heart and think the worse about me, yet when have u ever seen me talk someone down in the game about how they are a skilles dweeb.
Sad part is u are defending the likes of people that if u were fresh into the aces high realm and manage to shoot one of them down, u would get countless remarks in pm and 200 about you being skilless and how u suck.
The only people who think that is ok are the ones that do it. So tell me old chap which one are u.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
See why is it when i post a thread certain few think im talking about them? steve i wasnt telling u that u tell me how to fly, heck people call u a alt monkey all the time,
I'll agree that you get a lot of grief of the boards. The reason I posted what I did is because I think it is the major reason of why you get so much grief, and not just from the Muppets. I really was just trying to give you some information learned from experience.
No, I'm not being condescening to you, I know that I am a long way from perfect myself. I blow my top now and then on ch 200, then usually end up sending off sincere apologies to those I've assaulted through no fault of their own. I was just making an observation that i thought might help you.
Side notes:
Straight from Fester: Anyone is welcome in the Muppets. They may not stay welcome, based on how they get along with everyone. There are no requirements, skill wise.
I didn't know people call me alt monkey. My pony has an operational ceiling of 8k, AGL. I'm allowed to go higher if I'm hunting a specifcally targeted buff group.*
* Exception: If i have to take care of a kid's need on climbout I may end up higher. This also happens if i'm taking a really good dump.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
squadies or freindlys tail any day of the week. HOWEVER GANGING IS NOT MY GAME, I dont balive in going after a con that already has 3 people jockying for position to kill him when hes already dead but just a matter of time. However if i se
I personally pretty much only dive down to interrupt a 1 vs 1 if the friendly seems to be in trouble (especially if he's a buddy/squaddie). 2, 3, 4 vs 1 - forget it !
It's not because of some misguided sense of honor - it's because it's most likely that the enemy will be long dead before I get there, and getting there means blowing my E on a frivolous proposition.
I could care less about the guy in red, or how he died.
:D
Shamroc
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Once again Tardlet cant let it go, not only is he disputing my kills on him, now he starts disputing my kills on everyone else.
Skyrock your IQ must drop a point with every idodic post u make on here.
You are just mad because this last week u been getting butt raped by me.
Im not impressed with your flying either buddy, u couldnt even shake me once from your six, I never have to make a second pass on u.
For someone to talk about me not having any skill and cant do anything but rope and have the advantage.
Then why are u always whining about gang tards and vulchers, WHY?? because apparently u dont have enuf skill to get out of a disadvantage yourself.
Heck i thought u were a good pilot, but ive come to relize, you are only good at 1 on 1 co alt merges because u practice them more than anything else, Fact is outnumberd u cant fight your way out of a paper bag.
Your countless whining about ganging, ho tards, pickers, and vulchers is proof to that fact
You are a complete moron! That is a fact! You get all high and mighty because I fought the horde for a week and you ended up jumping me 3 or 4 times? :rofl :lol You keep making stuff up about why I call a gangtard a gangtard, I call you a gangtard because you are. I never see you in the MA in the middle of a furball, I see you on the edge, or above one, other than that I only see you in 2 sector hordes. Like I said before, you do ok starting 600 out someones 6, but other than that, you don't even bother to fight........U extend/fwy smaht! U are a joke, and you communicate exactly how you fly, with fair to middling skills! You apparently get your panties in a wad when people don't tell you how good you are, always a meltdown coming!:aok
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Okay, I'm not a late arrival, and you'll never hear me telling people how great I am. I fly for whatever country I feel like, usually rooks lately, but I'm normally just looking for a good fight, or the biggest enemy dar bar. I most certainly have flown with you, but not often, since I normally avoid the horde. I like a challenge. "Safe" flying is good for a scenario, or the occasional pick if I happen to be looking for a particular person, but I can mostly be found at low to mid alt, and ideally in nothing better than even odds.
I'm not defending anyone in here, and I'm not saying you talk down to people. After you started with anyone you kill is stupid, and that people who don't immediately run to help when they lose an advantage (like you do) are stupid, skyrocks a retard, blah blah... I don't have to say anything on that subject.
You do have a very high opinion of yourself, and a very poor opinion of anyone who doesn't think as highly of you, as you do. You have earned 90% of the crap you get, and yet you continue to talk about your own success, while conveniently denying the fact that anyone, with sufficient numbers, a good plane, and advantages in speed, position, and altitude, can kill anyone else in this game, especially when the target is already engaged in a fight.
Oh, and I've been around here for over 5 years now. At some point, I've shot all of these guys down, and them, me. I've never had any issues with any of them for doing so. If you are, perhaps the problem is your attitude, and not theirs?
And by the way, you still haven't answered my question.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Skyrock balives he can OWN anyone yet u would defend him any day right??
Shows how much you know! Mo........meet Ron!:aok
Again u delve into what you think I believe, are you now going to tell us you have mastered the skills of telepathy?
PS Believe.......... spell check!
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I'll agree that you get a lot of grief of the boards. The reason I posted what I did is because I think it is the major reason of why you get so much grief, and not just from the Muppets. I really was just trying to give you some information learned from experience.
No, I'm not being condescening to you, I know that I am a long way from perfect myself. I blow my top now and then on ch 200, then usually end up sending off sincere apologies to those I've assaulted through no fault of their own. I was just making an observation that i thought might help you.
Side notes:
Straight from Fester: Anyone is welcome in the Muppets. They may not stay welcome, based on how they get along with everyone. There are no requirements, skill wise.
I didn't know people call me alt monkey. My pony has an operational ceiling of 8k, AGL. I'm allowed to go higher if I'm hunting a specifcally targeted buff group.*
* Exception: If i have to take care of a kid's need on climbout I may end up higher. This also happens if i'm taking a really good dump.
I only said u get called a alt monkey steve, I never said u wer one.
However u earn the title just because u fly a pony, its not fare, but thats what people in this game decide to do when they look for a excuse as to why they get killed.
And as fare as people blowing there top on 200, I understand that happens. Yet when is the last time u seen me blow up at anyone on 200. But I cant kill skyrock without about 20 minutes worth of bombardment from him. Then one day I had to listen to Fester call me a Hunter and a gang tard because HE CHOSE to turn back on me and ICEBIRDV when we were LOWER than him, he lost his advantage and died, I DIDNT EVEN KILL HIM. That is how i got called into the DA, and that is how this ENTIRE THING STARTED. Now it follows me in every thread I post in, because certain few cant let it go
I dont dislike all the muppetes, and out of all of them your about the only one i never have to listen to crying over 200. All it takes is for 1 or 2 to give the entire squad a bad name.
U want to talk about FAIR? or GANGING, HOW ABOUT HAVING YOUR POSITION CALLED OUT OVER 200 FOR EVERYONE TO COME HORDE U, ask your squaddies about that sometime. Just because one got mad he was 3k from a base i took off from engaged 1 on 1 and winning and i upped and saved the guys life.
So u tell me bro, what do i really do wrong other than defend myself, and that im confident enuf in my skills that i talk about how i engage and what i do to win. NO DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
skyrocks a genius, blah blah... I don't have to say anything on that subject.
Thanks Hub! :aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Shows how much you know! Mo........meet Ron!:aok
Again u delve into what you think I believe, are you now going to tell us you have mastered the skills of telepathy?
PS Believe.......... spell check!
HMM skyrock scroll up, read my topic on for those who care about my spelling!!. Get laid for often bro.
P.S. Has anyone seen that new movie with skyrock in it. U havent??
Oh man its awsome, It is titled "CRY ME A RIVER"
also i heard he has a cameo apperence in "IM A DOUCH BAG"
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Thanks Hub! :aok
P.S. Once again you are proving u are a late arrival joining the masses to start your trash talking without reading the entire forum, we have covered this already.
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I have followed this entire thread. Nowhere has anyone told you how to fly, they have just said that the way you claim to fly, is not how you really fly. They have also disagreed with you on several other points, but no one is guilty of what you keep complaining about.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Get laid for often bro.
I'm not sure what that means, but I do find it very unsettling that you continously talk about others sex life. You said you played ten years ago, but by the way you always bring up getting laid, it tells an old man like me that your still in that 'teen mindset. Why would a grown man worry about whether some other grown man is dipping his trunk in the kitty closet?:rolleyes:
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Warlock, i have an idea for you sir, and please trust that i do say this out of some form of misguided compassion for you right now.
LOG OFF FOR A FEW DAYS!
;)
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
Warlock, i have an idea for you sir, and please trust that i do say this out of some form of misguided compassion for you right now.
LOG OFF FOR A FEW DAYS!
;)
I agree, I am kinda freaking out that me and hub are posting in the same thread and half way agreeing! :eek:
I guess, deep down, I am fond of my anklehumpers!:D
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I agree, I am kinda freaking out that me and hub are posting in the same thread and half way agreeing! :eek:
I guess, deep down, I am fond of my anklehumpers!:D
I talk about your sex life cause apparently u really need to get some.
U worry more about the next thread then your next erection.
Still being a Retard I see. I respect everyone elses opinions here but yours.
As far as me going away for a few days, I dont think so.
But continue to defend the ignorant. guess they need help
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geez youre unbelievable. Im offering a good solution to try and help you get past this pointless waste of your time.
you do realise that all these guys are doing is wasting your time on purpose, they couldnt give a damn what you think and you simply cannot win this situation.
now that you are talking sex lives and phallus speak i doubt you will last much longer anyhow.
If this is some kind of super-troll and warlock is really a shade account of a muppet or something, well, geuss i'm the fool for trying to help you.
bah...forget it.
:rolleyes:
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WaRLoCkL,
You stated earlier you have been palying these sims since DOS. You were asked earlier in this thread what your old AW DOS CPID was. Care to answer?
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Originally posted by Shifty
WaRLoCkL,
You stated earlier you have been palying these sims since DOS. You were asked earlier in this thread what your old AW DOS CPID was. Care to answer?
Man why dont people read threads, its the same as it is now man, if u want more detail dearch threw this thread and find it.
Im not really waisting my time because im playing and typing at the same time LOL. I dont have kids, my gf dont live with me.
So u tell me who is really the moron, the man that is at home with a wife and kids but rather sit on his computer all day and type to the masses. or someone who only works 3 days one week 4 the next, goes out when he wants and is at home when he wants? right now im at home.
Its been a boring day and I had nothing better to do.
However for people like skyrock with a family, and hopefully a job. They can still manage to get in here and search out every little comment I make
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
geez youre unbelievable. Im offering a good solution to try and help you get past this pointless waste of your time.
you do realise that all these guys are doing is wasting your time on purpose, they couldnt give a damn what you think and you simply cannot win this situation.
now that you are talking sex lives and phallus speak i doubt you will last much longer anyhow.
If this is some kind of super-troll and warlock is really a shade account of a muppet or something, well, geuss i'm the fool for trying to help you.
bah...forget it.
:rolleyes:
Batfink i really dont see where u come into this at all at. I have a reason to be here and defend my name, so tell me if im waisting my time, then what are u doing??
I could say u are in here on a conversation that had nothing to do with u, because u feel u need to voice your opinion.
U say u LEFT me a way out, but read your own post, u simply put a INSULT in there, then left a way out for YOURSELF like u were trying to HELP me.
What is sad, is u are EVEN IN MY DUEL FILMS i posted here, getting into business that is not your own, what u didnt notice was i was talking over 200 because i dont hide what i say, the guy talking back to me was talking in PM, but u only had half the story so decided to voice your opinion.
JUST LIKE NOW, u dont have the whole story, just like most the other people in here.
U remember how much SKYROCK GOT BASHED IN THE FORUMS, well there is a reason for that, he starts way to much trouble, because he has no life.
Im nice to everyone but skyrock.
Skyrock has proven to me and im sure to alot others that he is LAME.
He is insecure about his own life, so he comes onto a online game where he chooses to be some type of INTERNET TOUPH GUY.
Im 24, and I act like the typical 24 year old that can get a attitude when u confront him.
Skyrock and alot of the other people trying to bash me in here are MUCH older, with WIFES, KIDS, and way more important things to do.
I dont know if they hate their life, or or just EVERYONE.
Sorry If I am blunt, but I am done sugarcoating this.
If these people act like this on some game forum, then it cant say a whole lot about them as a person. Therefore I cant respect them.
I speak my mind when others want to put ME and other people down, if u dont like it then dont listen.
Also if u cant take the heat then dont STOKE the FIRE.
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And on that NOTE I AM DONE. I have expressed my point.
Ive posted films, the ones that are important and respectful see the truth, and have either apologized or understood the situation.
I have more important things to attend to as when someone in real life calls me and wants to do something I think I rather do that than talk on here.
U are right on one thing batfink, they wont let me win because they simply cant afford to, because they already know im right and have to save some face.
U cant fix stupid. I will end this thread with that, make all the comments u want I am done replying to your ignorance.
Once again I am not talking to everyone. The ones I am talking about know who they are.
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I think most folks are having a hard enough time understanding what you're trying to say, let alone who you're saying it to.
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i was trying to be nice to you and you attack me?
geuss what, i'm 24 also.
i posted tonight in the hope that i could help you out, I have been where you are now and i did not win anything.
your insults are amusing, yet i am sorry that you cannot see a good person trying to help you when it's smacking you right in the face.
Skyrock is my friend, i have a heckofalot more respect for Mark than i have for you right now, yet i TRULY WAS TRYING TO HELP YOU in my last two posts here.
seeing as you fail in every way to understand my motives here, i will end with...
batfink <----owns warlock in any plane.
seems to be the only language you understand.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
You said you played ten years ago...
I seriously doubt he has played that long, it would have made him around 5 or 6 during the height of AW4W in AOL. I, for one, can't recall ever seeing his CPID in AW4W or AW3 and I'm sure others would have heard of him as well if he claims to have been as good as he says he was in AW.
It's also really funny that he can't remember what squad he flew with or what arena he flew in AW.
ack-ack
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Well, surely some of the vets can remember a group of first graders who were the top ranked bomber squad?
Or, more likely, he's lying.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Am I an uber ace? I wanna be an uber ace. Can I just proclaim myself one? Whoohooo! Behold my sphere of greatness.
:rofl
ROTFL nice one BaldEagl :aok
.... but...
Man, when I think about it... it's so brutally disrespectful to actual Real Life Aces to refer to ourselves as "Aces" (in any way, shape or form) because we can kick a little cartoon plane ass...
Just an observation in an otherwise fine pissing contest :aok
It's like those stripmall Karate instructors with the mail-order microwaved black belts who teach kids all day... sooner or later, most of them believe their own bull****, and eventually think they're badasses.
Shamroc
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I don't know........seems it might be possible to tone down the sex inuendos Warlock, Sir
we don't really need that type of message being thrown all over these boards....
you say you never jump in on a fight where it is 2 vs 1? 1 being the Red icon, to 2 green flyers on your side, did I read that right?
in case you did not know, you only have to dig the hole 6 foot deep, any deeper is just a waste of time......
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
in case you did not know, you only have to dig the hole 6 foot deep, any deeper is just a waste of time......
:rofl
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
in case you did not know, you only have to dig the hole 6 foot deep, any deeper is just a waste of time......
:rofl
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wow it is getting late, I will leave ya'll with a prime example of running, and I am the one actually running here........
and this short little film is one of the main reasons you hardly ever see me flying in the MA any more these days.......
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/TCinoverhishead_7vs1p51B.ahf
good night AHer's
~S~
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If a certain someone would have used the edit button this thread would be about 3 to 4 pages shorter...
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WOW all i gotta say is WOW
AND IN
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
wow it is getting late, I will leave ya'll with a prime example of running, and I am the one actually running here........
and this short little film is one of the main reasons you hardly ever see me flying in the MA any more these days.......
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/TCinoverhishead_7vs1p51B.ahf
good night AHer's
~S~
:rofl LMAO ZOMG!!!!!!!! TC this is classic foot in mouth! I will be laughing about this tomorrow! :rofl 8vs1 and hes all over you! LMAO!
He's the Head Gull! Mine!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fing hilarious!!!!!:rofl :aok
If that's not gangtard..........LMAO!
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
wow it is getting late, I will leave ya'll with a prime example of running, and I am the one actually running here........
and this short little film is one of the main reasons you hardly ever see me flying in the MA any more these days.......
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/TCinoverhishead_7vs1p51B.ahf
good night AHer's
~S~
:rofl :aok oh my.
Warlockl.... ummm that's a gang.
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oh my goodness, that was gang horde central.
although, i think one of the guys in that clip is dead now, in real life.
i think that is enough to bring this thread to an end.
life is too short gents.
S!
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As if there were any lingering questions about Warlockl...
And yes Bat, you are correct, Slot passed some months back, IIRC.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Well, surely some of the vets can remember a group of first graders who were the top ranked bomber squad?
Or, more likely, he's lying.
The youngest person I can remember ever running across in AW was a 10 year old from Australia that flew under the CPID Knots.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/TCinoverhishead_7vs1p51B.ahf
A kill has been recorded...(and it isn't TC)
ack-ack
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quote:Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Get laid for often bro.
Originally posted by SkyRock
I'm not sure what that means, but I do find it very unsettling that you continously talk about others sex life. You said you played ten years ago, but by the way you always bring up getting laid, it tells an old man like me that your still in that 'teen mindset. Why would a grown man worry about whether some other grown man is dipping his trunk in the kitty closet?:rolleyes:
I also noticed that there has been a lot of use of the word "noodle" by warlock. Also plenty of references to the measuring thereof. Is noodle on your mind a lot? If so, maybe you are in the wrong place to be posting.
I r the wurstest fiter pilet heer. Numbers guys own me. But my cartoon noodle is huge.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Batfink i really dont see where u come into this at all at. I have a reason to be here and defend my name, so tell me if im waisting my time, then what are u doing??
I could say u are in here on a conversation that had nothing to do with u, because u feel u need to voice your opinion.
U say u LEFT me a way out, but read your own post, u simply put a INSULT in there, then left a way out for YOURSELF like u were trying to HELP me.
What is sad, is u are EVEN IN MY DUEL FILMS i posted here, getting into business that is not your own, what u didnt notice was i was talking over 200 because i dont hide what i say, the guy talking back to me was talking in PM, but u only had half the story so decided to voice your opinion.
JUST LIKE NOW, u dont have the whole story, just like most the other people in here.
U remember how much SKYROCK GOT BASHED IN THE FORUMS, well there is a reason for that, he starts way to much trouble, because he has no life.
Im nice to everyone but skyrock.
Skyrock has proven to me and im sure to alot others that he is LAME.
He is insecure about his own life, so he comes onto a online game where he chooses to be some type of INTERNET TOUPH GUY.
Im 24, and I act like the typical 24 year old that can get a attitude when u confront him.
Skyrock and alot of the other people trying to bash me in here are MUCH older, with WIFES, KIDS, and way more important things to do.
I dont know if they hate their life, or or just EVERYONE.
Sorry If I am blunt, but I am done sugarcoating this.
If these people act like this on some game forum, then it cant say a whole lot about them as a person. Therefore I cant respect them.
I speak my mind when others want to put ME and other people down, if u dont like it then dont listen.
Also if u cant take the heat then dont STOKE the FIRE.
Ever think that it might be an act? SkyRock IS an actor, and a fairly accomplished one from what I gather. He might act that way to intentionally piss folks off. Obviously, it works. I do it. I need all the advantages I can get. The more emotion one has in a conflict, contest, or competition, the less attention is remaining for SA.
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either warlock is the best troller of all time or he is a tard :aok no offense :)
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Originally posted by megadud
either warlock is the best troller of all time or he is a tard :aok no offense :)
None taken! :D
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
:rofl :aok oh my.
Warlockl.... ummm that's a gang.
Well, all I have to say about that film is:
"Welcome to the Main Arena"
The MA is NOT the place to have "honorable" 1 on 1 fights. Ultimately, the goal is to win the war, and good team play ultimately dominates everything else - including individual skill.
Call it what you will (gangbang, picking etc. etc.) but that's what that arena is all about.
If you don't want to fight to win, in a team, you should stay out of the MA (as TC noted, he doesn't go there much anymore because of that reason - not his cup of tea, and there's nothing wrong with that).
I completely understand the frustration of getting jumped by a group of (let's say for the sake of the argument) lesser skilled pilots, but that's the way it goes in the MA. They may be less skilled, may be less "honorable" by your personal standard, but they ultimately are SMARTER than you are.
If you don't like it, form your own team of superior sticks and go after them - and if you don't have the patience/discipline/intelligence/inclination to do this, stay in the DA or A&A (which has more a 1 vs 1 "culture" to it).
What gets me is a LOT of good sticks complain that they don't like MA environment, and constantly lament that they get picked and gangbanged - yet, they keep coming back to the MA's. WHY ? I'd think with all this talk that the DA/A&A would be constantly full with a respectable amount of really skilled pilots - the elite player base if you will - yet I always find these arenas empty.
Personally, I like both types of play: the anything goes world of the MA, and they 1vs1 "no excuses" play of the DA/A&A (A&A is my favorite arena BTW) - yet I always find the latter arenas completely empty - and this forum full of people who cry that they don't like the MA environment.
Why ?
Shamroc
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Originally posted by shamroc
Well, all I have to say about that film is:
"Welcome to the Main Arena" Blah blah blah really stupid rambling that has nothing to do with this thread... nothing at all.
Shamroc
Hey Sherlock, err Shamrock. I was pointing out the irony of the film because Warlock has loudly and repeatedly proclaimed, in this thread, that he doesn't gangbang. The fact that TC just happened to have such a definitive film only serves to add to the perfection of the moment. I wasn't complaining about anything. Try to keep up, ok?
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Originally posted by shamroc
Personally, I like both types of play: the anything goes world of the MA, and they 1vs1 "no excuses" play of the DA/A&A (A&A is my favorite arena BTW) - yet I always find the latter arenas completely empty - and this forum full of people who cry that they don't like the MA environment.
Why ?
I have to agree that I like both types of game play. The "Why ?" is the interesting part.
1. Possibly good sticks enjoy something in the MA that I enjoy, blasting newbs out of the sky. Don't find many newbs in AvA or the DA.
2. Critical mass. I suspect that if you logged on one night and AvA had 400 pilots you might be tempted to see what's up. When AvA has only about a dozen, it does not look to interesting.
3 Rank means something to some people. I don't really care about it (check out my rank if you think I'm joking), but some folks take it seriously. These are the highly ranked guys that send you a nasty message when you shoot them down. They like being King of the hill, even if it is a disordely hill.
4. The plane set in AvA make keep some folks from flying it. I sort of enjoy the historical match ups. I get to try something new. Some pilots might not fly if their favorite ride is not available. You have some very good sticks in C205s or 109 K4s that simply might prefer the MA with their ride.
I'm sure there are other possibilities.
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Originally posted by shamroc
Well, all I have to say about that film is:
"Welcome to the Main Arena"
The MA is NOT the place to have "honorable" 1 on 1 fights. Ultimately, the goal is to win the war, and good team play ultimately dominates everything else - including individual skill.
Call it what you will (gangbang, picking etc. etc.) but that's what that arena is all about.
If you don't want to fight to win, in a team, you should stay out of the MA (as TC noted, he doesn't go there much anymore because of that reason - not his cup of tea, and there's nothing wrong with that).
I completely understand the frustration of getting jumped by a group of (let's say for the sake of the argument) lesser skilled pilots, but that's the way it goes in the MA. They may be less skilled, may be less "honorable" by your personal standard, but they ultimately are SMARTER than you are.
If you don't like it, form your own team of superior sticks and go after them - and if you don't have the patience/discipline/intelligence/inclination to do this, stay in the DA or A&A (which has more a 1 vs 1 "culture" to it).
What gets me is a LOT of good sticks complain that they don't like MA environment, and constantly lament that they get picked and gangbanged - yet, they keep coming back to the MA's. WHY ? I'd think with all this talk that the DA/A&A would be constantly full with a respectable amount of really skilled pilots - the elite player base if you will - yet I always find these arenas empty.
Personally, I like both types of play: the anything goes world of the MA, and they 1vs1 "no excuses" play of the DA/A&A (A&A is my favorite arena BTW) - yet I always find the latter arenas completely empty - and this forum full of people who cry that they don't like the MA environment.
Why ?
Shamroc
Mr Shamroc,
you welcoming me to the main arena?
I willingly engaged 2 F4U's knowing I was out numbered, I was not looking for a 1 vs 1 fight.......it is the mentality of todays players that have no problem with jumping in to a point it is over kill........
I wouldn't even mind it if it was 3 to me sometimes even 4....but to bare down on a long soul 7 or 8 to 1 is exactly whats wrong with the MA today........
it is MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE with no etiquette or good gamemanship............
that is what most older longer time players complain about....the mega squads that insist on mega numbers verses the 1....then to have someone come on here and blatantly thump thy chest that they are better than most and they don't gang , and only pick to save a squaddie or friendly........
the film has served its purpose...........
the sad part is the only people that truely sees the change is the people who were here from AH's beginning ......alot of long time players have left or only cruise the BBS anymore and don't play......you ask why? look at the film.......
anyone who has only started since mid 2004 really does not know "how it use to be"!
the only thing that is relevant though, is regardless of how long any of us play a game, we must adapt to the ever changing scene of the Arena............
if it is not fun, don't do it!
I have my fun stil : scenarios/Training/AvsA/FSO/KOTH and helping anyone I can when I have time to help!
I don't have fun being mafia'ed or being BOP'ed or being DFA'ed or being JG54thed.........well I take that 54th part back, them guys have changed alot they should not be catagorized with other large squads.....
heck, the Muppets, the flying Circus, the 367ty, the 479th squads or the BK's all fly to gether but they don't gang together.........there is a distinct difference in comradery........or in etiquette.......for the AH community......
finished here.......
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Originally posted by shamroc
Ultimately, the goal is to win the war....
Shamroc
No, it's not and that has never been the main goal of Aces High. Honestly, it's those that think the goal is to win the "War" that have dragged down the game play. So in my opinion, you types aren't part of the solution but part of the problem. Enjoy.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Mr Shamroc,
you welcoming me to the main arena?
I willingly engaged 2 F4U's knowing I was out numbered, I was not looking for a 1 vs 1 fight.......it is the mentality of todays players that have no problem with jumping in to a point it is over kill........
I wouldn't even mind it if it was 3 to me sometimes even 4....but to bare down on a long soul 7 or 8 to 1 is exactly whats wrong with the MA today........
it is MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE with no etiquette or good gamemanship............
that is what most older longer time players complain about....the mega squads that insist on mega numbers verses the 1....then to have someone come on here and blatantly thump thy chest that they are better than most and they don't gang , and only pick to save a squaddie or friendly........
the film has served its purpose...........
the sad part is the only people that truely sees the change is the people who were here from AH's beginning ......alot of long time players have left or only cruise the BBS anymore and don't play......you ask why? look at the film.......
anyone who has only started since mid 2004 really does not know "how it use to be"!
the only thing that is relevant though, is regardless of how long any of us play a game, we must adapt to the ever changing scene of the Arena............
if it is not fun, don't do it!
I have my fun stil : scenarios/Training/AvsA/FSO/KOTH and helping anyone I can when I have time to help!
I don't have fun being mafia'ed or being BOP'ed or being DFA'ed or being JG54thed.........well I take that 54th part back, them guys have changed alot they should not be catagorized with other large squads.....
heck, the Muppets, the flying Circus, the 367ty, the 479th squads or the BK's all fly to gether but they don't gang together.........there is a distinct difference in comradery........or in etiquette.......for the AH community......
finished here.......
TC and Akak summed it up nicely
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I was quite confident that I didn't need to address the individual points of Sham's post. I was certain that a vet or two would come along and take care of it. They did not disappoint.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Hey Sherlock, err Shamrock. I was pointing out the irony of the film because Warlock has loudly and repeatedly proclaimed, in this thread, that he doesn't gangbang. The fact that TC just happened to have such a definitive film only serves to add to the perfection of the moment. I wasn't complaining about anything. Try to keep up, ok?
Was not commenting on Warlockl - just making a broad commentary on what the MA actually is. IMHO, that is what this thread is about - the MA environment - somehow it's been hijacked and turned into a thread about Warlockl.
Shamroc
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I have 1 on 1 fights all the time in the MA. I fly bombers however and they are mostly with very good sticks while flying against strats near main airfields. The Knights in particular have very good sticks, and whom are also gentleman, and tho Ive mostly been killed Im starting to survive, even shoot down, some very good sticks in very good airplanes.
No matter who wins a is sent with a message of "fine fighting". I have found some excellent people in the MA. But yeah I get some of what you others are saying as well.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Mr Shamroc,
you welcoming me to the main arena?
I willingly engaged 2 F4U's knowing I was out numbered, I was not looking for a 1 vs 1 fight.......it is the mentality of todays players that have no problem with jumping in to a point it is over kill........
I wouldn't even mind it if it was 3 to me sometimes even 4....but to bare down on a long soul 7 or 8 to 1 is exactly whats wrong with the MA today........
it is MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE with no etiquette or good gamemanship............
that is what most older longer time players complain about....the mega squads that insist on mega numbers verses the 1....then to have someone come on here and blatantly thump thy chest that they are better than most and they don't gang , and only pick to save a squaddie or friendly........
the film has served its purpose...........
the sad part is the only people that truely sees the change is the people who were here from AH's beginning ......alot of long time players have left or only cruise the BBS anymore and don't play......you ask why? look at the film.......
anyone who has only started since mid 2004 really does not know "how it use to be"!
the only thing that is relevant though, is regardless of how long any of us play a game, we must adapt to the ever changing scene of the Arena............
if it is not fun, don't do it!
I have my fun stil : scenarios/Training/AvsA/FSO/KOTH and helping anyone I can when I have time to help!
I don't have fun being mafia'ed or being BOP'ed or being DFA'ed or being JG54thed.........well I take that 54th part back, them guys have changed alot they should not be catagorized with other large squads.....
heck, the Muppets, the flying Circus, the 367ty, the 479th squads or the BK's all fly to gether but they don't gang together.........there is a distinct difference in comradery........or in etiquette.......for the AH community......
finished here.......
Well put.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Mr Shamroc,
you welcoming me to the main arena?
I wouldn't even mind it if it was 3 to me sometimes even 4....but to bare down on a long soul 7 or 8 to 1 is exactly whats wrong with the MA today........
it is MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE< MINE with no etiquette or good gamemanship............
I was just pointing out what the MA is today - was actually validating your point - not attacking you. Like I said - you see it for what it is (opportunist's cesspool), don't like it (which is totally fine) and you presumably go to the other arenas where "Sporting Play" is the norm.
I did not comment on the chest beating aspect (Warlockl vs Skyrock) - I will now - Like I've said in the past : I think chest beating is the biggest dweeb thing a player can do - and it's dweebish regardless of the braggart's actual skill level. I actually have less respect for a skilled player bragging rather than a beginner... After all, a skilled player should know better.
I also do not have much respect for people who whine about the MA, when all they need to do is jump into the DA/A&A where sporting play is the norm. I actually PREFER sporting play myself, and I find it completely frustrating to log in, night after night, and seeing these arenas EMPTY (especially given all the big talk and holier-than-though rants you read on these forums).
My little "Secret Agenda" (if you want to call it that) with that post was to make people think about why they hate the MA, and persuade them into filling the "Honorable Play" arena. :aok
And no, my "Welcome to the MA" was not directed at you personally TC - I'm sorry it came out that way and I apologize (my bad).
Shamroc
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No, it's not and that has never been the main goal of Aces High. Honestly, it's those that think the goal is to win the "War" that have dragged down the game play. So in my opinion, you types aren't part of the solution but part of the problem. Enjoy.
ack-ack
The majority would disagree with you ack-ack.
The majority does enjoy opportunistic play, and DOES play to win the war in a cold calculating manner. The very small vocal minority of (skilled veterans) on this forum does not represent the majority out there in the MA's.
This is why the MA's are always full, and the DA/A&A arenas are always empty.
My own personal opinion is that it's SAD - and I wish the everyone who agrees that MA play is "broken" would fill the latter two arenas.
All I see is a lot of people complaining, yet they keep going back rather than do something about it.
Shamroc
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Originally posted by shamroc
The majority would disagree with you ack-ack.
Shamroc
Let them disagree. The fact is that this game has never been about winning the "War". If you have any doubt, ask HiTech.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I seriously doubt he has played that long, it would have made him around 5 or 6 during the height of AW4W in AOL. I, for one, can't recall ever seeing his CPID in AW4W or AW3 and I'm sure others would have heard of him as well if he claims to have been as good as he says he was in AW.
It's also really funny that he can't remember what squad he flew with or what arena he flew in AW.
ack-ack
Do the math, 24-10+14 i played up till 16, after that i stayed out of the loop in online flight sims fore a while.
When did I ever say I was good back then also?? I just said I have been playing for a long time.
Funny thing is when i mentioned DOS flight sims, half of u thought i was talking about a squadron, so i guess maybe the length of time u have been playing could be brought into question.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No, it's not and that has never been the main goal of Aces High. Honestly, it's those that think the goal is to win the "War" that have dragged down the game play. So in my opinion, you types aren't part of the solution but part of the problem. Enjoy.
ack-ack
Ack,
He didn't say the main goal of Aces High was winning the war. He said the main goal in the Main Arena is to win the war. And I don't necessarily disagree with that.
Though winning the war isn't *my* goal when I fly in the main arena (see below), I recognize that it is probably everybody else's goal, and I fly appropriately. My goal is to be among the best pilots out there. My goal is to employ dazzling tactics to shoot someone down and get a "Salute LLAMA" in return. My goal is to film someone employing great ACM to shoot me down and then review the tape and learn from it, and to salute the fellow who did it. But I don't forget for a second that I'm doing this in a virtual world where the war-winning rules of the game were put into place to encourage folks to play that way.
At the 2006 Con HiTech said "This game is all about pissing off the other guy," and that's true too. Heck, if I just count the number of times various pilots whined about how they were shot down by a "gangtard," "vultchtard," or "picktard" just this week alone, then by HiTech's own reasoning, I've won this game 50 times over. ;-)
But getting back to your main point, Ack, what do you think the main goal of pilots in the Main Arena should be?
-Llama
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
:rofl :aok oh my.
Warlockl.... ummm that's a gang.
Hey I dont doubt u on that one steve, thats a prefect example of a gang, but ask TC what he was doing out there all by himself in the first place, we had been flying around for 30 minutes without a con sighting, we were low on fuel and wont going back home empty handed.
Yes slot passed away several months ago, which was when i was VERY NEWBISH,
I actually thank u for posting this film, it put a smile on my face cause i can remember how hard we were lauphing at that poor little pony, and then the corsair that chased him down to steal the kill.
That is how the mustang mafia flew, we upped together, landed together and died together.
Even though the squad now falls under me and under a new name, I still fly with slot at my wing.
Im not going to start a argument with this film, because it really shows, that guys complaining about ganging and hoing and all of that mumbo jumbo really dont think about the important things in life.
That was my orignal post in this forum, it was to describe how u cant take all these people seriously and why i call them crybabys.
I would apreciate that if u watch this film then do not make derogetory comments, if anything lauph about 4 guys who decided to up tempest and have a ball one night.
After all its really all about having fun, and some people throw fun out the window and want to wine, piss, and moan, and that is how we end up with threads like this.
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Originally posted by llama
Though winning the war isn't *my* goal when I fly in the main arena (see below), I recognize that it is probably everybody else's goal, and I fly appropriately. My goal is to be among the best pilots out there. My goal is to employ dazzling tactics to shoot someone down and get a "Salute LLAMA" in return. My goal is to film someone employing great ACM to shoot me down and then review the tape and learn from it, and to salute the fellow who did it.
-Llama
Very very very well put Llama. :aok
Shamroc
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Originally posted by shamroc
Was not commenting on Warlockl - just making a broad commentary on what the MA actually is. IMHO, that is what this thread is about - the MA environment - somehow it's been hijacked and turned into a thread about Warlockl.
Shamroc
Sorry Sham, you quoted my post so I thought you were speaking directly to me. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
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Originally posted by llama
Ack,
Though winning the war isn't *my* goal when I fly in the main arena (see below), I recognize that it is probably everybody else's goal,
Not mine. I could care less. In fact, I fly on the "losing"(read lowest numbers) almost exclusively.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Do the math, 24-10+14 i played up till 16, after that i stayed out of the loop in online flight sims fore a while.
When did I ever say I was good back then also?? I just said I have been playing for a long time.
Originally posted by Warlockl
Fact is I may be new blood but NONE of u know my background, I have been playing Flight sims since DOS, and was frequently in the top ranks in air warrior 1 and 3.
Originally posted by Warlockl
all i know is it was a BOMBER squadron and thats what i did primarily, and our squad was always number one in the rankings, and myself and most the other players in squad held the top 10 spots in bombing
Just like you don't gang? hehe
Originally posted by Warlockl
Funny thing is when i mentioned DOS flight sims, half of u thought i was talking about a squadron, so i guess maybe the length of time u have been playing could be brought into question.
When someone mentions to prove their bona fides and claims they've been playing since DOS days, the player is trying to allude to the fact they played DOS AW. None of us thought you were talking about a squadron, we just wanted to know if you were referring to DOS AW.
Since I've been flying with a quite of few people in here for over 12+years through various online sims (AW, WB and AH), you can hardly question the how long I've been playing.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Not mine. I could care less. In fact, I fly on the "losing"(read lowest numbers) almost exclusively.
Actually, until I joined the Hells Angels earlier this year, that's all I ever did for two years after the Rogue Gryffons departed the AH scene. I got lots of perkies and made lots of new friends from former targets.
Actually, I wish everyone would do this. In fact, I kind of wish HiTech made a rule that all new pilots *had* to fly for all three countries for at least two weeks each before they could accept a squad invitation...
-Llama
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
After all its really all about having fun, and some people throw fun out the window and want to wine, piss, and moan, and that is how we end up with threads like this.
Slot would have said "Clubbed 'em like a baby seal", and laughter would have ensued - followed by "man poor bastard... I feel for the guy cuz we've all been there... never stood a chance...".
Slot saw the MA for what it was - and NO, he would NOT have done that in the DA or AvA. He also wouldn't cry and moan on 200 if the same was done to him.
Again, the MA is what it is - and if you don't roll that way (I tend not to), PLEASE go to the DA/AvA (Where I go every night and find an empty arena) rather than constantly moan about how HTC needs to make "this" or "that" tweak to force everyone in the MA to fly the way you want them to.
Also - Steve & Skyrock: I have no gripe with your squad - as a matter of fact I've spent a few evenings dueling with maha in said DA & AvA recently and have always enjoyed it (he's a great sportsman and great stick - better than I am).
Shamroc
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The post about what the MAIN ARENA is all about, is pretty much my whole point on how its not right to TELL someone how they should fly.
The Few SEASONED Vets, do not have rank status, nore do they control the MA environment, maybe the rest of us dont know what it was like BACK IN THE DAY. Howerver we do know what it is like now.
SHAMROC and Llama said it best. Those of u who are complaining about the GANGING, Vulching, Hoing, still come into the MA every single day, to do the exact same thing.
Someone also made a point on the remark that the VETS keep comming to bash on the newbies, well thats not saying a whole lot about u wanting to hve proper ediquett.
Also a newb pilot, does not know how to FLY, so he will ram u, ho u, because he is pretty much trying to point and shoot.
The Entire problem is people that think there is etiquette in this game.
Take note of the GAME PART!!! It is a game, the only etiquette that should be practiced is RESPECT. If u ever talk to a REAL PILOT, they will ultimetly tell u, if u get shot down its knowones fault but your own. That holds true in this game a well.
Once again everyone flys differently, and thats what I like.
and for those of u who still wish to complain about me being a GANG tard, just note in that vidio I had been playing for a total of 1 Month, That vidio is almost a year old. I was very quit newbish.
On a side note, that was the best fun I ever had in AH flying with those gents. SLOT GETMO and FEARLES1 they taught me how to fly, and if they came back tomorrow and said lets do it again I WOULD!!! And then listen to whoever we shot down wright a BOOK on it on 200
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Sorry Sham, you quoted my post so I thought you were speaking directly to me. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
No harm no foul Steve :aok
Shamroc
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Originally posted by shamroc
Slot would have said "Clubbed 'em like a baby seal", and laughter would have ensued - followed by "man poor bastard... I feel for the guy cuz we've all been there... never stood a chance...".
Slot saw the MA for what it was - and NO, he would NOT have done that in the DA or AvA. He also wouldn't cry and moan on 200 if the same was done to him.
Again, the MA is what it is - and if you don't roll that way (I tend not to), PLEASE go to the DA/AvA (Where I go every night and find an empty arena) rather than constantly moan about how HTC needs to make "this" or "that" tweak to force everyone in the MA to fly the way you want them to.
Also - Steve & Skyrock: I have no gripe with your squad - as a matter of fact I've spent a few evenings dueling with maha in said DA & AvA recently and have always enjoyed it (he's a great sportsman and great stick - better than I am).
Shamroc
U dang right Shamroc, thats what we use to do is go seal huntin;) Man those were the days bro, I miss u in the MA now myself, but I to understand why u dont show up there alot. I would gladly be in AvA every single night if people would go there, heck the day all the servers went down and all that was left was AvA was awsome.
But the sad truth is, even if all the PROS went there, there would still be banter about getting ganged, hoed and vulched.
and I dont have a problem with the muppets, they have a problem with ME.
When u have to stoop so low as to call someones postion out on 200 to start hunting them, then apparenty I have gotten under your skin pretty bad.
Thats unfortunet, I have never discredited u as not being good sticks, but u always seem to take pride in trying to discredit others, so that u may remain the ACEs of Aces HIGH.
Funny thing is I never see any of these guys participate in KOTH other than batfinkV and WMlute.
If u are so bent on showing yours kill in a controlled envornment then i suggest going to KOTH its one of my favorite events, and unfortunetly held only once a month.
Also incase anyone hasnt noticed shamroc use to be a mafia member himself, and still a fellow squad member. out of every pilot in this game I respect SHAMROC and AVENG more than anyone in this game.
Shamroc may be my squaddie, but he has not once tried to stick up for me in this thread, nore has he talked about anyone in here he simply posted his opinion. But like always the FEW ELITE VETERANS chimed in with defensive remarks and started the ganging process.
I rather be a ganger in the MA any day over being a GANGER on a meaningless thread.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
SHAMROC and Llama said it best. Those of u who are complaining about the GANGING, Vulching, Hoing, still come into the MA every single day, to do the exact same thing.
Well, my point ultimately is I'd like to see a good 50 (or more) people in the DA/AvA at all times - so we'd always have a place to go for GOOD CLEAN FUN fights with great camaraderie and sportsmanship (not to mention a fantastic place to get better and learn from others).
I'd also likewise like to see the MA full of people who accept it for what it is - a place to sling mud, piss off the other guy, play the "win the war game" and get dirty, but everyone is laughing about it at the end of the day.
In short, I'd like to see everyone happy, having a good time - with minimal whining.
Shamroc
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Originally posted by shamroc
Well, my point ultimately is I'd like to see a good 50 (or more) people in the DA/AvA at all times - so we'd always have a place to go for GOOD CLEAN FUN fights with great camaraderie and sportsmanship (not to mention a fantastic place to get better and learn from others).
I'd also likewise like to see the MA full of people who accept it for what it is - a place to sling mud, piss off the other guy, play the "win the war game" and get dirty, but everyone is laughing about it at the end of the day.
In short, I'd like to see everyone happy, having a good time - with minimal whining.
Shamroc
U and me both brother
a certain someone in here that has bashed me the most once TOLD me in the DA, that everytime he is so good, that everytime he gets shot down, he has to listen to people in 200 and pm talking about how they OWNED him.
Fact is if this person did not like how he was treated then why is he one of the main ones to do it himself and treat people like they are beneath him.
Fact is most people seem to be happy when they are flying around killing people, no matter how they do it.
The problem seems to be ony when they get shot down.
I would like to see more complaining about how u Kill someone myself:aok
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Fact is if this person did not like how he was treated then why is he one of the main ones to do it himself and treat people like they are beneath him.
That is the $64,000 question.
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Originally posted by llama
Ack,
He didn't say the main goal of Aces High was winning the war. He said the main goal in the Main Arena is to win the war. And I don't necessarily disagree with that.
I hate to say this but the MA is AH, just like the other arenas are all part of AH. HiTech has said it many times before, the main intent of the game is aerial combat. Base captures, strat targets, ground vehicles, carrier fleets were all added to facilitate aerial combat. It has never been about "winning the war" regardless of what arena you fly in.
If it's a personal goal of yours or someone else, fine. Like Guppy said a lot earlier in this thread, if that's what makes the game fun for you than all the power to you.
ack-ack
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I wonder if GanglockL will post again?
:rolleyes:
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This thread should be saved for the only fact that Hub and I actually agree with Skyrock. Someone better call the Weather Channel to see if Hell has frozen over.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
and I dont have a problem with the muppets, they have a problem with ME.
Shamroc may be my squaddie, but he has not once tried to stick up for me in this thread, nore has he talked about anyone in here he simply posted his opinion. But like always the FEW ELITE VETERANS chimed in with defensive remarks and started the ganging process.
Hey Warlockl - you know I'm your old pal/squaddie and that I've flown around you since you were a total beginner.... Let me tell you why people are on your case:
These guys here are old veterans; and just about every one of them is actually very very skilled (some extremely so). More importantly, they've been around - some (like Ack-Ack for instance) for many many years.
Regardless of what your skill level is, you have to respect them by default, and you have to climb a big hill to earn their respect in return. It's just the way it is.
Who is better than who doesn't really matter that much. Think of it as seniority.
Remember that all the tips and tricks you learned (real quickly) from others (like Slot, Aveng, Getmo and myself), these guys learned the hard way. Most of the "common sense" tactics used in the game today were pioneered by these guys in Airwarrior/old Warbirds/AH1.
Anyways, without going off on a tangent, one reason why you're getting lambasted here is because you're walking in - like a proverbial 1rst round draft pick in his rookie year on a Pro team, tossing your weight around with old veterans - like they're your equals.
There is no way you'll be respected coming out of the blocks like that.
Put another way - you are the FNG - the F**king new guy - regardless of whether you're right or wrong, good or bad, the older established players won't respect you by default - you have to pay your dues before they'll even start taking you seriously. That means keeping your head down for a few years, while slowly gaining skill and experience (which you are, but do not ever think you're at the top of the proverbial mountain, or even halfway there!).
Now, the second reason why you're being picked on is because you're a young 23/something with a lot of testosterone flowing - and when you reply, you reply from the heart on all cylinders - with anger. That makes for a lot of long winded not-that-well-thought-out-overly-passionate-typo-get-laid-more ridden posts. They make you come off a lot dumber and short-fused than you are.
Finally, you want them to respect your ability - and you're quick to expand the ole chest - and while you don't go and say "I'm AN ACE DAMMIT RESPECT ME", you're using subdued language like "Well I'm not the best but I'm still damn good and confident in my ability", which while not as bad as the former, it's still comes off as :
Massive Pudknockery :cry
Anways, War - I'm not trying to dress you down or crush your self confidence - I know all about this stuff, because, back in 1993, I was that same 23 year old kid playing Airwarrior - and the old vets of that game rightly put me in my place and I learned what the deal was. Guys like Rocketman DRILLED me as a matter of fact, and I respect them forever today because of it :-)
I will tell you this War : you're be best Newb I've ever seen (and I've been playing for upwards of 14 years). You do very fine - but trust me - don't ever get into the habit of thinking you're a world beater - not now, not ever. If you ever get to the level of the top guys in this game, it comes down to, like Skyrock said in another thread "On any given Sunday....". You'll never be this guy who beats everyone, every time - so don't ever start acting like it, or thinking that "it's coming".
Incidentally, Skyrock, despite railing you pretty good on this forum, had begrudgingly said you're an ok midlevel player. Given the circumstances (remember, you've only been playing for what ? 6-9 months ?), you should take that as a great compliment and stop pushing it.
So war don't feel like I'm ganging up against you because I'm not - I'm still the same exact friend/squaddie I've always been - just take this as heartfelt guidance from someone who was once in your same exact shoes some 14 years ago :-)
As for the rest of ya's : sorry for the rambling verbosity. :aok
Shamroc
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Originally posted by MWL
Greetings,
Okay, I got a question. I normally fly the 47N. I can scissor (can't spel tho) with a spit, pony or LA. However, I can't scissor (spill again) with a Hurri or F4U.
So, I dive in and the F4U/Hurri dodges and we get into the scisor (dang spil chek thing!) and I realize I am losing this engagement.
Should I run and risk being called a 'rundweeb'? Should I continue to scissor till I be dead? What is an honorable person to do here?
okay so I should a waited till I was less toasty.....
:noid
Regards,
Warlock, in case you have forgotten, this thread started out by MWL ASKING for others opinions on how to fly. He was looking for answers to a question that was troubling him. Then you came in and started blasting people for telling him their suggestions on how to fly, which he ASKED for.
Secondly, nobody is "harping" on you for being a cherry picker, or perch fighter, or opportunist. They are just pointing out what you yourself have admitted to, you use ALL advantages to "win the fight", but thats OK !!! Its the way YOU want to fly!!! thats all they are saying, fly the way you want, to have the fun you want.
Third, as for respect, you'll never get with the attitude you display here. I've flown a long time, and with some really good sticks in both AW and here, and the best of them don't walk around with the same bigass chip on their shoulder you do. Don't try so hard, and maybe people will start to come around.
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Originally posted by shamroc
Hey Warlockl - you know I'm your old pal/squaddie and that I've flown around you since you were a total beginner.... Let me tell you why people are on your case:
These guys here are old veterans; and just about every one of them is actually very very skilled (some extremely so). More importantly, they've been around - some (like Ack-Ack for instance) for many many years.
Regardless of what your skill level is, you have to respect them by default, and you have to climb a big hill to earn their respect in return. It's just the way it is.
Who is better than who doesn't really matter that much. Think of it as seniority.
Remember that all the tips and tricks you learned (real quickly) from others (like Slot, Aveng, Getmo and myself), these guys learned the hard way. Most of the "common sense" tactics used in the game today were pioneered by these guys in Airwarrior/old Warbirds/AH1.
Anyways, without going off on a tangent, one reason why you're getting lambasted here is because you're walking in - like a proverbial 1rst round draft pick in his rookie year on a Pro team, tossing your weight around with old veterans - like they're your equals.
There is no way you'll be respected coming out of the blocks like that.
Put another way - you are the FNG - the F**king new guy - regardless of whether you're right or wrong, good or bad, the older established players won't respect you by default - you have to pay your dues before they'll even start taking you seriously. That means keeping your head down for a few years, while slowly gaining skill and experience (which you are, but do not ever think you're at the top of the proverbial mountain, or even halfway there!).
Now, the second reason why you're being picked on is because you're a young 23/something with a lot of testosterone flowing - and when you reply, you reply from the heart on all cylinders - with anger. That makes for a lot of long winded not-that-well-thought-out-overly-passionate-typo-get-laid-more ridden posts. They make you come off a lot dumber and short-fused than you are.
Finally, you want them to respect your ability - and you're quick to expand the ole chest - and while you don't go and say "I'm AN ACE DAMMIT RESPECT ME", you're using subdued language like "Well I'm not the best but I'm still damn good and confident in my ability", which while not as bad as the former, it's still comes off as :
Massive Pudknockery :cry
Anways, War - I'm not trying to dress you down or crush your self confidence - I know all about this stuff, because, back in 1993, I was that same 23 year old kid playing Airwarrior - and the old vets of that game rightly put me in my place and I learned what the deal was. Guys like Rocketman DRILLED me as a matter of fact, and I respect them forever today because of it :-)
I will tell you this War : you're be best Newb I've ever seen (and I've been playing for upwards of 14 years). You do very fine - but trust me - don't ever get into the habit of thinking you're a world beater - not now, not ever. If you ever get to the level of the top guys in this game, it comes down to, like Skyrock said in another thread "On any given Sunday....". You'll never be this guy who beats everyone, every time - so don't ever start acting like it, or thinking that "it's coming".
Incidentally, Skyrock, despite railing you pretty good on this forum, had begrudgingly said you're an ok midlevel player. Given the circumstances (remember, you've only been playing for what ? 6-9 months ?), you should take that as a great compliment and stop pushing it.
So war don't feel like I'm ganging up against you because I'm not - I'm still the same exact friend/squaddie I've always been - just take this as heartfelt guidance from someone who was once in your same exact shoes some 14 years ago :-)
As for the rest of ya's : sorry for the rambling verbosity. :aok
Shamroc
well i know this is long to quote but it is said perfect.:aok
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Warlock, in case you have forgotten, this thread started out by MWL ASKING for others opinions on how to fly. He was looking for answers to a question that was troubling him. Then you came in and started blasting people for telling him their suggestions on how to fly, which he ASKED for.
Secondly, nobody is "harping" on you for being a cherry picker, or perch fighter, or opportunist. They are just pointing out what you yourself have admitted to, you use ALL advantages to "win the fight", but thats OK !!! Its the way YOU want to fly!!! thats all they are saying, fly the way you want, to have the fun you want.
Third, as for respect, you'll never get with the attitude you display here. I've flown a long time, and with some really good sticks in both AW and here, and the best of them don't walk around with the same bigass chip on their shoulder you do. Don't try so hard, and maybe people will start to come around.
I suggest u re read this thread from the beggining, what happend was someone told the ORIGNAL poster that he should turn in a hurricane with a p47 because RUNNING is not honerable.
My original post was, dont listen to him, if u arnt confident in turning around then dont, fight the way u want.
Now what part of my original thread does not co inside with the topic at hand???
Befor u claim I started bashing everyone first then read carfully, i simply stated it was not right for someone to TELL this guy he should do something stupid because it was honerable.
Once again reflecting back to my post on certain people not being able to accept opinions.
Shamroc u are probly right in the fact that these guys dont respect me bause of my age/time played/skill lvl.
Fact is none of that should really matter, because for 1, this is a game, 2, i worry about my home life more than my internet life, 3 the opinion of someone who thinks they are better than me simply because of skill/age/time played matters about as much to me as what toilet paper I wipe my butt with.
My point is I have a boss at work, with more experience than me at what I do and that is ok to have someone over u telling u what to do in the real life.
However in a online world, none of these guys are my boss nore are they better than me, nore are they the buddha that i will scrawl up 1000 steps to the temple they reside in for advice.
U are right shamroc, they wont respect me for WHAT I AM.
but who says I need to conform to what they want me to be or follow their Rules to walk up the ladder to success?
Once again this is a GAME, some of these guys I just talk back to listen to what they have to say next.
The sad thing is some of these guys worry about it so much they go to bed at night thinking about these posts and what people say, and what they can do to top out what the other guy said.
Its like I said befor, all this is is a big pissing contest, and these guys are just trying to see who can write their name in the snow better.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Hey I dont doubt u on that one steve, thats a prefect example of a gang, but ask TC what he was doing out there all by himself in the first place, we had been flying around for 30 minutes without a con sighting, we were low on fuel and wont going back home empty handed.
you really do not want me to post the whole film , I do not think........
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
several months ago, which was when i was VERY NEWBISH,
I thought you was a long timer, had flown flight sims since DOS days?
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I actually thank u for posting this film, it put a smile on my face cause i can remember how hard we were lauphing at that poor little pony, and then the corsair that chased him down to steal the kill.
you must need glasses I engaged the 2 F4U's long before the 4 temps and the Niki came hauling A into the mix trying to "STEAL THE KILL" in which the Temp flown by a certian someone ended up being the big MINE winner......
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Im not going to start a argument with this film, because it really shows, that guys complaining about ganging and hoing and all of that mumbo jumbo really dont think about the important things in life.
and it does show that you don't think about the enjoyment of the game to others even for the 2 F4U friendlys 2 vs 1 fight, you and the other 3 temps and niki so rudely encroached on...... you only thought about your gang horde mentality greed to be the first to get the kill.as if 2 or 3 was not enough, you go on to glorifiy that it is perfectly acceptable in the game to jump an enemy plane 7 or 8 to 1... this is what is ruining the AH game play........
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
That was my orignal post in this forum, it was to describe how u cant take all these people seriously and why i call them crybabys.
you call them crybabys yet you are crying yourself defending the way you fly is perfectly acceptable, and to keep bashing on about it just shows you are no different than any of the rest of us dolts that play this game :D we all have opinions / comments / suggestions, I encourage you to study alot of what some have wrote here and learn from it....
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I would apreciate that if u watch this film then do not make derogetory comments, if anything lauph about 4 guys who decided to up tempest and have a ball one night.
I respect Slot, and had good fights with Slot, and good bantor, I hope you find your way to be like him , and wish you the best of luck, War! you should not be so bitter, anger is not good for ones soul.....
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
After all its really all about having fun, and some people throw fun out the window and want to wine, piss, and moan, and that is how we end up with threads like this.
4 tempest threw fun out the window when they ganged 2 F4U's vs the lone P51B
to Shamroc, no worries, its all good
and to add again ( just hit review and saw your post shamroc ), that is a very well written synopsis of the whole thing......
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
you really do not want me to post the whole film , I do not think........
I thought you was a long timer, had flown flight sims since DOS days?
you must need glasses I engaged the 2 F4U's long before the 4 temps and the Niki came hauling A into the mix trying to "STEAL THE KILL" in which the Temp flown by a certian someone ended up being the big MINE winner......
and it does show that you don't think about the enjoyment of the game to others even for the 2 F4U friendlys 2 vs 1 fight, you and the other 3 temps and niki so rudely encroached on...... you only thought about your gang horde mentality greed to be the first to get the kill.as if 2 or 3 was not enough, you go on to glorifiy that it is perfectly acceptable in the game to jump an enemy plane 7 or 8 to 1... this is what is ruining the AH game play........
you call them crybabys yet you are crying yourself defending the way you fly is perfectly acceptable, and to keep bashing on about it just shows you are no different than any of the rest of us dolts that play this game :D we all have opinions / comments / suggestions, I encourage you to study alot of what some have wrote here and learn from it....
I respect Slot, and had good fights with Slot, and good bantor, I hope you find your way to be like him , and wish you the best of luck, War! you should not be so bitter, anger is not good for ones soul.....
4 tempest threw fun out the window when they ganged 2 F4U's vs the lone P51B
to Shamroc, no worries, its all good
and to add again ( just hit review and saw your post shamroc ), that is a very well written synopsis of the whole thing......
OWNT!:aok
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
you really do not want me to post the whole film , I do not think........
to Shamroc, no worries, its all good
and to add again ( just hit review and saw your post shamroc ), that is a very well written synopsis of the whole thing......
TC
Shamroc
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
we had been flying around for 30 minutes without a con sighting, we were low on fuel and wont going back home empty handed.
what a load of bulllchit.....
watch the film again. all of the Typhoons in that clip have still got drop tanks on.
or do you wish to make us believe that you guys flew around for 30 minutes, in a perfect formation at 7000 ft in typhoons (rofl - typhoons at just 7k for 30 mins? i think not) You we clearly climbing out at the start of the clip, you had been flying for 3 minutes on WEP climb before you first appear in this clip. All this and the whole flight of you had saved your drop tanks for the best part of that 30mins with no fuel in them?
the fact that you must flat out lie makes you a child in your courage and morals. a grown man would just say 'haha we ganged you good TC, huh?
how very transparent, and damn am i good.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
what a load of bulllchit.....
watch the film again. all of the Typhoons in that clip have still got drop tanks on.
or do you wish to make us believe that you guys flew around for 30 minutes, in a perfect formation at 7000 ft in typhoons (rofl - typhoons at just 7k for 30 mins? i think not) You we clearly climbing out at the start of the clip, you had been flying for 3 minutes on WEP climb before you first appear in this clip. All this and the whole flight of you had saved your drop tanks for the best part of that 30mins with no fuel in them?
the fact that you must flat out lie makes you a child in your courage and morals. a grown man would just say 'haha we ganged you good TC, huh?
how very transparent, and damn am i good.
First of all u have know way of knowing how much fuel we have. Second of all lets see how u flew after being in the game for 1 month.
Why dont u ask TC how old his vidio is befor u start your bashing again batfink.
Still on trying to contradict how someone flys I see. that was my point in the first place.
Also in Honor of slot, I would apreciate it if u wouldnt mention about how anyone flew in that vidio other than a group of guys having fun.
Does trying to cut someone down really make u guys feel better about who u are as a person? Is home life really that bad that u have to pretend to be a god in a game that has nothing to do with u making morgage payments?
When I listen to u guys prove your manhood on here in this game u remind me of THIS GUY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBVmfIUR1DA
Taking the game to seriously may be hazerdous to your health as well as your computer
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
I respect Slot, and had good fights with Slot, and good bantor, I hope you find your way to be like him , and wish you the best of luck, War! you should not be so bitter, anger is not good for ones soul.....
incase you did not see it the first time, WaRLoCkL
noone brought him in to this, and I am glad to have a handful of films with slot in them, as well as films of my fallen squadies
Buzzard, KGann, and films of Oz , 68KO and others........
don't go down that road .......
just let this overbeaten horse go.........
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
LOUD NOISES
from the start of this thread i was actualy taking your side against my long term friends here, out of pity for a display that i have seen before many times on this forum.
you throw it back in my face then im gunna pick out your foolish lies.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
you really do not want me to post the whole film , I do not think........
I thought you was a long timer, had flown flight sims since DOS days?
you must need glasses I engaged the 2 F4U's long before the 4 temps and the Niki came hauling A into the mix trying to "STEAL THE KILL" in which the Temp flown by a certian someone ended up being the big MINE winner......
and it does show that you don't think about the enjoyment of the game to others even for the 2 F4U friendlys 2 vs 1 fight, you and the other 3 temps and niki so rudely encroached on...... you only thought about your gang horde mentality greed to be the first to get the kill.as if 2 or 3 was not enough, you go on to glorifiy that it is perfectly acceptable in the game to jump an enemy plane 7 or 8 to 1... this is what is ruining the AH game play........
you call them crybabys yet you are crying yourself defending the way you fly is perfectly acceptable, and to keep bashing on about it just shows you are no different than any of the rest of us dolts that play this game :D we all have opinions / comments / suggestions, I encourage you to study alot of what some have wrote here and learn from it....
I respect Slot, and had good fights with Slot, and good bantor, I hope you find your way to be like him , and wish you the best of luck, War! you should not be so bitter, anger is not good for ones soul.....
4 tempest threw fun out the window when they ganged 2 F4U's vs the lone P51B
to Shamroc, no worries, its all good
and to add again ( just hit review and saw your post shamroc ), that is a very well written synopsis of the whole thing......
Wow dude listen to what u just said, Fun got threw out the window when u got ganged?
and i should think about the enjoyment if the game for others?? WOW that is the most hypocryital post I have ever seen.
BREAKING DOWN WHAT U JUST REALLY SAID.
Fun didnt go out the window, cause there were 7 guys that were having a BALL at that point, but I guess your FUN superseeds theirs right.
GOING BACK TO WHAT I ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT
SO TC to earn respect by u and others in here I need to be told how to have my FUN am I correct SIR??
U are probly right u wont having fun when u got ganged. but other people were. Your fun is not more important than theirs, nore is my fun more important than yours.
Lets see Me having FUN vs Tc's FUN (THINKING ON IT)
I CHOOSE ME!!!!!!!!
This is really what the whole problem is right here TC, thank for making it that much clearer on what the real problem in the MA is.
Please watch vidio on ANGRY GERMAN BOY.
U know if that happend to me i would have lauphed my but off.
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it's about time you go to bed junior, you've already proven to us what kind of player you are. There is no need to further reinforce our beliefs that you're an idiot.
ack-ack
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What you got is name callers wanting you to fight their fight their way. Turn 200 off. Don't reply. Don't give them the satisfaction. And don't give into them.
I do run, but only to get some distance to turn around.
Most guys in the game coming at me have 5 to one odds against me. I don't fight that way and I will not stay just to die. I find lots of circumstances where I can duel one on one, but not furballing. The minute their numbers dwindle to one on one, who does the running?
The name callers in the game are the kids, under 40. Over 40, we are just too tired to worry about it.
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Originally posted by what'shisname?
What you got is name callers wanting you to fight their fight their way. Turn 200 off. Don't reply. Don't give them the satisfaction. And don't give into them.
I do run, but only to get some distance to turn around.
Most guys in the game coming at me have 5 to one odds against me. I don't fight that way and I will not stay just to die. I find lots of circumstances where I can duel one on one, but not furballing. The minute their numbers dwindle to one on one, who does the running?
The name callers in the game are the kids, under 40. Over 40, we are just too tired to worry about it.
Least amount of Posts, yet makes the most sense, u guys can learn something from what he just said.
Fact is u are so uptight on what u think is right, and how my flying is OH so DISHONERABLE, i could talk this trail of bread crumbs out for 10 miles and u would still be trailing behind picking up the pieces.
If u don't like the way I fly then its probly because u fall victim to my guns.
I get respect from my country, thats all I need, they enjoy my missions, they enjoy my fighter sweeps and they like flying with me.
I think i know what that is called hmmm wait, let me think harder.
OH WAIT ITS CALLED FUN!!!!!!!!!!! try it sometime guys u might like it.
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There has really been some excellent posts in this thread. (And of course many dumb ones)
War, I would ask that you try to impartially re-read them (the good ones). Step out of y'erself for a bit, and try to see what these people are saying.
I think one of the best observations so far was from Shamroc when they said:
you reply from the heart on all cylinders - with anger. That makes for a lot of long winded not-that-well-thought-out-overly-passionate-typo-get-laid-more ridden posts. They make you come off a lot dumber and short-fused than you are.
Your last post a few above this one is a perfect example of what he was talkin' about.
(don't reply to me btw... just "think" about what I am trying to say here)
I got into a ch200 tiff the other day w/ a player. We went back and forth for 'bout 15min. I was quite enjoyin' myself, as I love to argue and trade insults w/ people.
Now, I could have kept it up all night, but instead, I apologized to the guy, 'em, and was done w/ it. Were they a dweeb with a .3 k/d who flew around ho'n everybody? Sure. Is it worth it for me to go on and on w/ 'em on 200 about it? Nope. I took the higher ground, and I regrett not doing it 15min earlier.
Might I suggest you try to do the same. Just suck it up, everybody, and move on. That's not to say you gota take it and can't dish it back if ya' wanna. Just tone it down a notch.
Might I also suggest a bit more respect with some of the players. Take AKAK for example. I have the utmost of respect for AKAK. (other players to include would be GE, NB, Max, heck too many to name) Lot's of what we do in this game can be traced back to these "old timers". We should respect those that paved the way for us.
When they talk, listen. Ya' don't have to agree w/ 'em, but for durn tootin' don't disrespect 'em and start arguin' w/ 'em. They have earned a place in the "history" of this (and other WW2 flight sim) games. That "means" something. With these players (current and former) it's not really about who can kill who. They are my "superior" merely because of all that they have done for the game that I love so much, and I always strive to give them the respect they deserve.
Yes our friends, family, and loved ones think we are just playing "airplane" and it's a stupid online game, but to us we are all noble knights of the skies.
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And that there Warlock (who, for the record, I've flown with and against)...is some of the best advice in this thread. I've teased Lute (very mildly - and in return fallen for a beautifully presented rope...doh!!) and he's most definitely not having a dig fella.
Personally, I everyone who shoots me down, whether by luck (unlikely) or skill (most likely) and enjoy flying here with absolutely everyone - and I mean everyone.
just my 2p's worth (out of cents as I live in England).
to all in AH (and if you could all stop shooting me down every 10 seconds.....I'll thank ya all roundly...lol)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Wow dude listen to what u just said, Fun got threw out the window when u got ganged?
and i should think about the enjoyment if the game for others?? WOW that is the most hypocryital post I have ever seen.
BREAKING DOWN WHAT U JUST REALLY SAID.
Fun didnt go out the window, cause there were 7 guys that were having a BALL at that point, but I guess your FUN superseeds theirs right.
Lets see Me having FUN vs Tc's FUN (THINKING ON IT)
I CHOOSE ME!!!!!!!!
This is really what the whole problem is right here TC, thank for making it that much clearer on what the real problem in the MA is.
take TC out of your thinking, just for a second, pretend that the P51B was being flown by any ole person/player.........
now think of the fun factor for the 2 F4U pilots that had engaged the 1 P51B........whose fun got ruined........?
yep you CHOSE YOU alright.......that is a definite.......
I am not a SIR either, I was enlisted ;) ..........but I appreciate the respecting of your elders, that is a nice start.......
warlockl, forget about your idea of fun, forget about my idea of fun for a minute and think of it as what is good for the community as a whole........
you can not tell me if you was in a fight with 1 or 2 wingys fighting a lone enemy plane and had say 3/4/5 other friendlys just pounce right in on the fight and take out the lone enemy plane you had fought angles with a bit, would not destroy and ounce of fun you might have been having.......
anyhow, I have nothing more to add, hopefully the longer you play the game, warlockl, the more you will come to understand if you end up playing for many a year...... there are lessons in life and in this game far beyond the basic BFM/ACM/cartoon plane killing that goes on......
if you ever want to work on or practice anything , I be glad to try and help ya ~S~
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Originally posted by WMLute
There has really been some excellent posts in this thread. (And of course many dumb ones)
War, I would ask that you try to impartially re-read them (the good ones). Step out of y'erself for a bit, and try to see what these people are saying.
I think one of the best observations so far was from Shamroc when they said:
Your last post a few above this one is a perfect example of what he was talkin' about.
(don't reply to me btw... just "think" about what I am trying to say here)
I got into a ch200 tiff the other day w/ a player. We went back and forth for 'bout 15min. I was quite enjoyin' myself, as I love to argue and trade insults w/ people.
Now, I could have kept it up all night, but instead, I apologized to the guy, 'em, and was done w/ it. Were they a dweeb with a .3 k/d who flew around ho'n everybody? Sure. Is it worth it for me to go on and on w/ 'em on 200 about it? Nope. I took the higher ground, and I regrett not doing it 15min earlier.
Might I suggest you try to do the same. Just suck it up, everybody, and move on. That's not to say you gota take it and can't dish it back if ya' wanna. Just tone it down a notch.
Might I also suggest a bit more respect with some of the players. Take AKAK for example. I have the utmost of respect for AKAK. (other players to include would be GE, NB, Max, heck too many to name) Lot's of what we do in this game can be traced back to these "old timers". We should respect those that paved the way for us.
When they talk, listen. Ya' don't have to agree w/ 'em, but for durn tootin' don't disrespect 'em and start arguin' w/ 'em. They have earned a place in the "history" of this (and other WW2 flight sim) games. That "means" something. With these players (current and former) it's not really about who can kill who. They are my "superior" merely because of all that they have done for the game that I love so much, and I always strive to give them the respect they deserve.
Yes our friends, family, and loved ones think we are just playing "airplane" and it's a stupid online game, but to us we are all noble knights of the skies.
Respect givin, when respect Received.
My post really do not have to be long and thought out, if this was a rocket science forum, then yes i would talk like i have a masters in jet propulsion.
However this is a GAME FORUM nothing more, and maybe u havent thought of me enjoying some of the rediculouse comments i get back myself.
As far as AK-AK goes, it proves my theory that even the most well repsected long timers in the game can get caught up in this kiddi stuff.
What happend was AK-AK, batfink, and ALOT of others came into this post that had nothing to do with them, and CHOSE a side, they did not give GOOD ADVICE, they chose to pick a side and try to continue to discredit me.
Befor u think im directing any of this to u WMlute know that im merly disagreeing with the GIVE RESPECT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD TIMERS RULE. When I see these so called respectable men start to say things like,
NICE TRY MAN
LET ME SHOW U WHAT U DID WRONG.
ITS ACTUALLY BETTER TO NOT GO HEAD ON LET ME SHOW U SOMETHING THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER
GOOD KILL THATS WHAT I GET FOR BEING LOW AND SLOW AND ON MY OWN
NICE FLYING BRO
NICE SHOT, I SHOULDA BEEN SMART AND TURNED OUT OF THAT HO
then these guys may earn some respect from me, because i will definetly not give it to people who say things like
NICE SHOT HO TARD!!!! LEARN SOME ACMS NEWB!!!!
NICE KILL GANGTARD!!! YOUR NUTHING WITHOUT YOUR HORDE!!!
ALT MONKEY, U COULDNT KILL ME ON YOUR BEST DAY IN FAIR DUEL
I OWN U AND U WILL NEVER BE AT MY LVL.
my point is ive heard all these derogitoy things and when i first started I to would say these things to people.
thats 2 completly diffrent ways to aproach the same situations, i choose the top half, i offer to help anyone out when i can. i do not degrade him unless they give me a reason to.
I havent been HOED in 2 months simply because i turn out of them and use their HO to my advantage. However I wont deny when the occasion as called for it then i WILL HO myself especally if I know ther is no chance to turn out of it, im definetly not going to be the last one to fire.
I dont doubt that u cant LEARN A THING OR 2 FROM THE OLD TIMERS
but they could LEARN A THING OR 2 from some of the newer generation as well.
Times do change, and who is to say ACES High hasnt changed over the years.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Once again this is a GAME, some of these guys I just talk back to listen to what they have to say next.
The sad thing is some of these guys worry about it so much they go to bed at night thinking about these posts and what people say, and what they can do to top out what the other guy said.
Its like I said befor, all this is is a big pissing contest, and these guys are just trying to see who can write their name in the snow better.
Hey Warlockl - if you don't care what they think, that's ok... seriously it is. But, if you really don't care, I would tend to think you'd tune off 200, ignore in-game PM's, and of course never read or post stuff here.
Regardless, no, you don't have to respect anyone here - fair game...
... I do however respect people here... how can I put this into words...
Well, for one I see Airwarrior (DOS/WIN), Warbirds (95-00) and AH (2001-present) as all the same game. Why ? Because it's all the same players - and it goes all the way back to the late 80s.
This "game" (as defined above) was not only the first SVGA game ever made, it was also the world's first massive multiplayer game - one where guys (like me) loved the game so much they used to pay ridiculous sums of money hourly to play - a game that had an established community before the web even existed - before the mainstream internet even existed.
Other games have come and gone - most never lasting more than a year or two, yet this "game" endures.
Today, if you look at games like "Quake", "Battlefield 2" etc - you'll find it's largely just a bunch of obnoxious kids forming little clans that just ****alk each other with l33tspeak - nobody even knows anyone else on a personal level - and once the game-du-jour goes obsolete, these little communities fracture apart and fade away.
In contrast, this "game" is largely an older crowd - I'd say that most guys here are over 35 - I've known countless guys over 50 and 60 - and the same player base has existed throughout - there's guys who play here that I've known 10+ years - like it's common. You also have a lot of old Airwarrior players who despite not having played for many years, still read these forums to keep in touch with old friends.
Another example why "this community" is special: back in 99 I was playing Warbirds, and one of our squaddies died - you know what happened ? a bunch of guys from the squad flew from across the country for his funeral, and his family asked that his squad acted as his pallbearers.
There's an old saying "If you want to know who really cares about you in your life, see who shows up at your funeral".
Anyways war, what I'm saying is the community here is a lot more than what you'll find anywhere else - and it's almost like an old fraternity.
For the above reasons (and so many others), I think it deserves respect, but you're free to feel how you want about it - and I won't think any different of you bro.
(and sorry if this is sappy bullchit, but it is how I feel) :D
Anyways war, it's all long past beating a dead horse and I'm choosing to stop clubbing it.
Shamroc
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
take TC out of your thinking, just for a second, pretend that the P51B was being flown by any ole person/player.........
now think of the fun factor for the 2 F4U pilots that had engaged the 1 P51B........whose fun got ruined........?
yep you CHOSE YOU alright.......that is a definite.......
I am not a SIR either, I was enlisted ;) ..........but I appreciate the respecting of your elders, that is a nice start.......
warlockl, forget about your idea of fun, forget about my idea of fun for a minute and think of it as what is good for the community as a whole........
you can not tell me if you was in a fight with 1 or 2 wingys fighting a lone enemy plane and had say 3/4/5 other friendlys just pounce right in on the fight and take out the lone enemy plane you had fought angles with a bit, would not destroy and ounce of fun you might have been having.......
anyhow, I have nothing more to add, hopefully the longer you play the game, warlockl, the more you will come to understand if you end up playing for many a year...... there are lessons in life and in this game far beyond the basic BFM/ACM/cartoon plane killing that goes on......
if you ever want to work on or practice anything , I be glad to try and help ya ~S~
Well there is 2 sides to every story, stop to think for a minute.
WE ASKED those 2 corsair pilots if we could engage, and they said go for it, maybe its just our country, but that question gets asked ALOT on our side, we practice teamwork very well.
U can never please everyone however no matter what u do in this game.
Say we stayed out of it and then all the sudden U kill one of them and the other is creaming his lungs out over vox wanting to know why we didnt help him. It could of happend that way
U are only stating your opinion on what ACTUALLY HAPPEND. but u do not take in the variables of what COULD HAVE HAPPEND.
Just so u know all 7 of us got a kick out of it, I dont think anyone has objections to running down a p51.
Once again u were the only one not having fun cause things didnt turn out ur way.
Once again, watch vidio on ANGRY GERMAN KID!!!
you are still only thinking of yourself and how the situation ended for u, and thats what most people think.
Another scenario would have been that u ended up getting away, then im sure u would have been exited and had alot of fun, but unfortunetly u died.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Respect givin, when respect Received.
ahhh... this is where you and I disagree.
They earned their respect years and years ago.
Whereas you, and this isn't a dig in any way, have not.
Bear in mind, they have seen players like you (or me) a hundred times over. We are neither new, unique, or special.
(tho' people call me "special" all the time, but I don't think they mean it in a nice way)
(edit: nice post a few up Shamroc. I wonder if all those Halo 3 and Quake players realise that they owe their online gamin' to us WW2 flight sim nerds)
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Originally posted by shamroc
Hey Warlockl - if you don't care what they think, that's ok... seriously it is. But, if you really don't care, I would tend to think you'd tune off 200, ignore in-game PM's, and of course never read or post stuff here.
Regardless, no, you don't have to respect anyone here - fair game...
... I do however respect people here... how can I put this into words...
Well, for one I see Airwarrior (DOS/WIN), Warbirds (95-00) and AH (2001-present) as all the same game. Why ? Because it's all the same players - and it goes all the way back to the late 80s.
This "game" (as defined above) was not only the first SVGA game ever made, it was also the world's first massive multiplayer game - one where guys (like me) loved the game so much they used to pay ridiculous sums of money hourly to play - a game that had an established community before the web even existed - before the mainstream internet even existed.
Other games have come and gone - most never lasting more than a year or two, yet this "game" endures.
Today, if you look at games like "Quake", "Battlefield 2" etc - you'll find it's largely just a bunch of obnoxious kids forming little clans that just ****alk each other with l33tspeak - nobody even knows anyone else on a personal level - and once the game-du-jour goes obsolete, these little communities fracture apart and fade away.
In contrast, this "game" is largely an older crowd - I'd say that most guys here are over 35 - I've known countless guys over 50 and 60 - and the same player base has existed throughout - there's guys who play here that I've known 10+ years - like it's common. You also have a lot of old Airwarrior players who despite not having played for many years, still read these forums to keep in touch with old friends.
Another example why "this community" is special: back in 99 I was playing Warbirds, and one of our squaddies died - you know what happened ? a bunch of guys from the squad flew from across the country for his funeral, and his family asked that his squad acted as his pallbearers.
There's an old saying "If you want to know who really cares about you in your life, see who shows up at your funeral".
Anyways war, what I'm saying is the community here is a lot more than what you'll find anywhere else - and it's almost like an old fraternity.
For the above reasons (and so many others), I think it deserves respect, but you're free to feel how you want about it - and I won't think any different of you bro.
(and sorry if this is sappy bullchit, but it is how I feel) :D
Anyways war, it's all long past beating a dead horse and I'm choosing to stop clubbing it.
Shamroc
U are right SHAMROC, and I do have respect for the ones i think deserve it, u know me better than these guys do and u know me for what I am thats why I respect u and Im sure u respect me.
I have played air sims for a long time, howerver I have never been into the forum thing. To be honest with u my very first post in here was bashed for the simple reason i was a newb.
I wasnt welcomed with open armes, or offered help in any way. I was simply told u was inferior.
Maybe if some of these guys think about how they approach people and treat people then they well get the respect they are entitled to.
I am a person just like them, and my respect should be no less valuble than their repsect of me.
But u make a good point brother. I really dont care what they think, i guess i havent detuned them yet because maybe i thought they would make some sense out of what they are saying, but i guess some of these guys truly balive u must fly by the rules that they balive to be the proper etiquette.
So this will be my last post in here, the only reason i even came back was because i saw the film with SLOT in it and what looked to be the start of a bashing on u shamroc, so I focused it back on me.
Even though TC disagrees i still thank him for that film of slot, and heck i would like to have more since we are going to try to work on a memorial website.
INFACT SPEAKING OF THAT. I would really like for someone who knows there HTML who is interested to maybe help in starting a website just for the FALLEN HEROS of aces high. I know there are alot of people that have played this game that are no longer with us. It would be cool to have a sight that is truly didicated to just them.
to all those out there who balive in helping the fellow man than cutting him down, thats all i really have to say.
See u in the MA
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Oh, Skuzzy, please lock this thread..... it has grown into a monster.......
Regards,
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Wheres that picture of a guy beating a dead horse?
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And this, Mole, is why you may as well stick around and fight it out every once in a while. No one gets hurt, until someone runs away from every fight, and gets hits with a few dozen handbags. :)
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I own WarlockL! Sorry!:(
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I own WarlockL! Sorry!:(
I'd try to get my money back, if I were you.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
if you ever want to work on or practice anything , I be glad to try and help ya ~S~
War - see the above and re-read three times : we all saw the film how he got jumped - and yet, when the dust settles, and it's all said and done: he's putting out the olive branch, offering to help, and throwing you a
As a guy who showed you, and other who showed you, some of the early ropes of this game you now know - don't look past this example, and learn from it.
Shamroc
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Originally posted by shamroc
War - see the above and re-read three times : we all saw the film how he got jumped - and yet, when the dust settles, and it's all said and done: he's putting out the olive branch, offering to help, and throwing you a
As a guy who showed you, and other who showed you, some of the early ropes of this game you now know - don't look past this example, and learn from it.
Shamroc
I left this thread on page 4 and the last thing I said was:
"My point from the beginning is folks should fly the way they want to and not worry about what someone else thinks. There is no right way. The key to the AH kingdom is whether you are having fun or not.
That is ALL that matters. The sooner folks realize that, the better off we'll all be."
For whatever reason I'm not sure he's gonna get that part, or is determined to prove something, although I'm not sure what.
Lots of good folks trying to get that basic point across without much success I'm afraid Shamroc :)
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I can't be the only person who sees shades of themselves in Warlock.
Heck, I even started playing at almost the same age, and I was just as determined that people would "RESPECT MAHHH!!!!"
Warlock, I've never fought you, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt. You are right in one respect - to earn the "respect" of most of these guys you will have to fly differently. Flying in a very safe manner; high, in a fast plane with plenty of backup and "bait" to attract enemy attention so you can zip in and blindside them. Whether or not you ever choose to change really depends on you, not them.
Most everyone starts out flying the way you do. Honestly. Everyone who calls you a "gangtard", or whatever .... started out doing the exact same thing. I don't remember my first kill, but I do remember the first time I cherrypicked a good stick. Course, I've forgotten who it was...
For a lot of people, myself included, that got extremely boring after a year or so. I mean, sure, you may have a good fighter rank (or not, depending on how good you are at picking off unaware planes), but when running away and stickstirring is your only defense when things go bad, you tend to want something more. At least, some do.
For some people, that method of flying never gets old. And thats ok too. There is only one way to earn the respect of the "top sticks" though (or at least some of them, very few are respected by everyone), and that way of flying isn't it.
I think on some level you really DO care what people here think about you, and that is the problem. If you didn't, you wouldn't be responding. If you didn't, you wouldn't have channel 200 tuned (I don't). If you didn't, the only interaction you'd have with the guy you just shot down would be a .s xxxxx, and even then only if he did it first.
I hope you work it out though. You've got some folks that think you have some talent, but trying to get people to like you is a good way to quick burnout.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I suggest u re read this thread from the beggining, what happend was someone told the ORIGNAL poster that he should turn in a hurricane with a p47 because RUNNING is not honerable.
....I have read it from the beginning, and that is the point of this thread!!! The original poster ASKED for opinions, so one guy said "don't run, it isn't honorable" just because you disagree with his opinion doesn't mean you should come in here and blast him. Give your opinion of what you would do and let the original poster decide what he wants to do.
My original post was, dont listen to him, if u arnt confident in turning around then dont, fight the way u want.
Now what part of my original thread does not co inside with the topic at hand???
no, your original post started out by calling to other poster an "retard" for posting what he did. While you may not agree with what someone else post, calling them an "retard" for there opinions shows a real lack of class.
Befor u claim I started bashing everyone first then read carfully, i simply stated it was not right for someone to TELL this guy he should do something stupid because it was honerable.
QUOTE]Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Dont listen to this retard, hes one of the ones that wants to fight HIS fight they they were talking about. The whole point to winning a dogfight is to control the fight and make him do what u want him to do. So of coarse people are going to get ill when u wont do what they want u to do and then die.
That is where vulch tard, hoer, and runner all come into play, Fact is it is a 3d world and anything can happen.
Fight your own fight, remember dead men really cant talk back anyways;)
.... this is your original post, please note the underlined.[/color]
Once again reflecting back to my post on certain people not being able to accept opinions.
it seems YOUR the one who has a problem with others opinions.
Shamroc u are probly right in the fact that these guys dont respect me bause of my age/time played/skill lvl.
Fact is none of that should really matter, because for 1, this is a game, 2, i worry about my home life more than my internet life, 3 the opinion of someone who thinks they are better than me simply because of skill/age/time played matters about as much to me as what toilet paper I wipe my butt with.
My point is I have a boss at work, with more experience than me at what I do and that is ok to have someone over u telling u what to do in the real life.
However in a online world, none of these guys are my boss nore are they better than me, nore are they the buddha that i will scrawl up 1000 steps to the temple they reside in for advice.
U are right shamroc, they wont respect me for WHAT I AM.
but who says I need to conform to what they want me to be or follow their Rules to walk up the ladder to success?
Once again this is a GAME, some of these guys I just talk back to listen to what they have to say next.
The sad thing is some of these guys worry about it so much they go to bed at night thinking about these posts and what people say, and what they can do to top out what the other guy said.
Its like I said befor, all this is is a big pissing contest, and these guys are just trying to see who can write their name in the snow better.
I think, and this is completely MY OPINION I think they don't respect you because of your "chest thumping " attitude. Most of these guys have been in your place (like Urchin said) but have grown past that. Like I said before, stop tooting your own horn, stop irritating people, and give them a chance to get to know you. Nobody is going to get to know the "real you" if all you ever show them is this loud mouth braggart .[/B][/QUOTE]
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As one of those old timey Air Warrior guys ('96) and part of the older crowd age-wise in the game I disagree that the old vets should be respected JUST because they are the old vets. It is after all, as Warlock has pointed out, only a game.
The respect among the vets is evident and has been earned among and between them over the course of years of playing together. A noob entering the game has no idea who's a vet and who isn't. All they can judge by is evident skill level and if that person treats them well or not. So to that noob, we have to earn their respect just as they have to earn ours. It's a two way street.
We all do, however, earn our reputations and they, in turn determine if you should be respected or not. There have been some great posts in this tread. There has also been malicious bashing. Each post, each 200 comment, each action adds to or detracts from your reputation and ultimately determines whether people should respect you or not.
Do what you please. I'll make my own judgements but I'm not going to respect someone just because they've played a long time. It takes more than that.
[EDIT] I just wanted to add that, sure, we rib the noobs but thats just part of the initiation into the community... plus... it's fun ;)
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Respect is a much abused concept in this virtual world.............
we may have it.................
we may hold it..............
we may do neither.................
but to discuss it and its "currency" devalues it IMO.
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Originally posted by Tilt
Respect is a much abused concept in this virtual world.............
we may have it.................
we may hold it..............
we may do neither.................
but to discuss it and its "currency" devalues it IMO.
Well met, sir!
And for Warlockl, you are almost to the bedrock with this hole you are digging, and you can't dig much deeper. For almost every page of posts after the first one, you have been on the defensive. That must be very taxing, and can't last forever. I do admire your "heart". After all, being from Philly will make one root for the underdog (re: Rocky). That being said, I respect your heart. You have earned that much respect from , but alas not for more than that. Notice the word earned and not given.
I also agree that respect is not earned simply due to the tenure of a particular person in a particular position. On the same note, that does not mean that respect for an individual is a prerequsite for learning from them. Take Tequila Chaser for example. I'm sure he didn't title himself as a trainer. I'm sure he had to earn that position through deed and action. You may not like him, but I'd bet you caould learn a lot from him. From this learning and impartation of knowledge he (or others in his position) have to offer, you will eventually respect them.
You were born with 2 ears and 1 mouth. There might be reason for this ratio. Possibly that one should listen twice as often as one speaks.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
As one of those old timey Air Warrior guys ('96) and part of the older crowd age-wise in the game I disagree that the old vets should be respected JUST because they are the old vets. It is after all, as Warlock has pointed out, only a game.
The respect among the vets is evident and has been earned among and between them over the course of years of playing together. A noob entering the game has no idea who's a vet and who isn't. All they can judge by is evident skill level and if that person treats them well or not. So to that noob, we have to earn their respect just as they have to earn ours. It's a two way street.
We all do, however, earn our reputations and they, in turn determine if you should be respected or not. There have been some great posts in this tread. There has also been malicious bashing. Each post, each 200 comment, each action adds to or detracts from your reputation and ultimately determines whether people should respect you or not.
Do what you please. I'll make my own judgements but I'm not going to respect someone just because they've played a long time. It takes more than that.
[EDIT] I just wanted to add that, sure, we rib the noobs but thats just part of the initiation into the community... plus... it's fun ;)
Very well put eagle. but its still not going to change the fact of those that balive they are entitled to their respect.
I myself do not need respect or feel that i want respect from anyone in the game. However I am respected by my freinds and allies in this community and that is all that matters.
I stopped posting on this thread quit a while ago, and yet my name is still getting brought up. I wonder why that is.
If I posted in this thread even just 1 time a day then it will NEVER end because people are insistant on making themselfs right.
When TC posted the vidio of the ganging it was directed at me, and to disprove my flying, he did not offer any help.
Infact his words were i stay away from the MA now because of this.
The MA is a huge crowd of people, and with any ONLINE game, you can quicly find yourself with the advantage or at the disadvantage.
I also know how playing a game for YEARS will get boring and make u look for other things in the game.
Honestly I think that is where this forum comes into play, because they have migrated from FLYING in the game to comming here to talk about their or others flying in the game. But I understand that completly, you evolve into different things, i imagin after a year or to u will probly see me doing alot of GVing or bombing just get change up from the fighting.
My thing now is to run missions when i get tired of flying in furballs.
If i wasnt respected by people i wouldnt log on every night and have people say (WARLOCK HOW ABOUT PUTTIN UP ONE OF YOUR MISSIONS)
that in itself is satisfying to me, I am also done fighting in this thread as it is meaningless, and the fact that when i logged on last night, just by simply shooting one man down this thread moved into 200.
The only reason i tune to 200 is so the man that gives me a salute or askes me a question does not think i am being rude and ignoring him.
I also dont care about my score either, i stay in the top 20 fighter just merley the way i fly i guess. That being said it the way the point system is set up, it really is easy to be top ranked. My third month playing i was in the top 20 so the score system is a total joke.
I also do not switch to attack to preserve my fighter score, as some people do.
What u will see is me flying FIGHTER flying with my squaddies, helping them learn the game, saving their butts if need be, and helping in any way I can.
U may see me with a group and i probly will kill u while u are on my squaddies six.
Half of my squad consists of very NEW players who look up to me for advice and training, and sometimes to keep them alive, not saying that they dont save my butt either because they do.
That is about the best defense I can come up for myself and if u still dont like it then dont fly around me, then u wont get killed by me. It really is that simple.
My point is everyone that is complaining about getting shot down by me, gets shot down my countless others every day. So really what are u complaining about??
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I'm a ganger cherry tard!
Yup! :rofl
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Im still mad at u for the beating u gave me last night in MA!!!!
Sorry chap poor some salt on the wounds and go to DA to redeem yourself;)
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Well, at least the noodle references have been toned down some:aok
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So this will be my last post in here,
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Huge wall of text
:lol
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he said he didnt want to post here again.......yet you guys had to keep baiting?
so does that make him the fool for going back on his word or you guys the bully for trying to keep it going?
seriously, warlock aint the only one here acting like a child.
what ever gang banging warlock does/did in the MA, it would appear to me nothing in comparison to the gangbang right here in this thread.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
he said he didnt want to post here again.......yet you guys had to keep baiting?
so does that make him the fool for going back on his word or you guys the bully for trying to keep it going?
seriously, warlock aint the only one here acting like a child.
what ever gang banging warlock does/did in the MA, it would appear to me nothing in comparison to the gangbang right here in this thread.
Actually i only was replying to that post because it made since, im figuring the smack talk is over.
My last remark to skyrock was nothing more than harmless fun.
But what i said was true, if i posted in here every day about my opinion someone would be stopping by to bash it to smitherenes.
Just saw a post dedalos did about a VERY good idea for the DA envornment, of coarse that didnt take very long befor someone called him a stupid idiot for voicing a opinion.
Like I said I am done with the childish stuff.
I would detune 200 also but like I said befor I have friends in other countrys plus I give and get back over it so i choose to keep it.
Plus it really passes the time when your flying towards a fight
:aok
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
he said he didnt want to post here again.......yet you guys had to keep baiting?
so does that make him the fool for going back on his word or you guys the bully for trying to keep it going?
seriously, warlock aint the only one here acting like a child.
what ever gang banging warlock does/did in the MA, it would appear to me nothing in comparison to the gangbang right here in this thread.
:cry Wahhhhhhhhhh! Leave Britney alone!
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
if i posted in here every day about my opinion someone would be stopping by to bash it to smitherenes.
SHUT THE HECK UP, NOOB, WE WOULD NOT!
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
:cry Wahhhhhhhhhh! Leave Brittany alone!
LEAST I GOT CHICKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Sorry chap poor some salt on the wounds and go to DA to redeem yourself;)
I asked you to the DA last night, u turned it down until around 2:00 this morn, at which time I was finishing a ham sandwich and headed off to bed. I already know what to expect from you, I'm not that entertained by your virtual piloting skills, but your rants/defenses on bbs are hilariously dorky! I do believe that much of your ego comes from shooting people down that you have an advantage on to begin with, whenever I fight you co-alt co-e or even clost to that, the outcome is always you in the tower! On a lighter note, thicken up the skin, thin skin is for dweebs!:aok
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
LEAST I GOT CHICKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MMMMMLEEEEROOOYYYY MMMMMJENKINSSSSSSSSSS!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I asked you to the DA last night, u turned it down until around 2:00 this morn, at which time I was finishing a ham sandwich and headed off to bed. I already know what to expect from you, I'm not that entertained by your virtual piloting skills, but your rants/defenses on bbs are hilariously dorky! I do believe that much of your ego comes from shooting people down that you have an advantage on to begin with, whenever I fight you co-alt co-e or even clost to that, the outcome is always you in the tower! On a lighter note, thicken up the skin, thin skin is for dweebs!:aok
MMM hmm like when u augured in a co alt co E merg trying to kill me;), still by far the funnest encounter I have ever had with u LOL.
By now u must realize I dont take u seriously.
Yes I did accept your offer to the DA apparently while u were AFK, but how am I to know when your sitting at your computer.
U also noticed i ASKED U NICELY if u would like to DA. I DID NOT ORDER U TO THE DA.
U will find if u order me to the DA I will not go, I will also not go to the DA to END A DISPUTE.
I however will go to the DA just to have some duels.
Try asking me nicely sometime. Not that im scared to DA u.
But i DA on my own time not someone elses. because im not going to get into a pissing contest.
U also cant blame the carnage that happend to u last night on anyone but yourself.
Read my post above about if u dont like getting shot down by me then stay out of my area!!!
not starting an argument with u, just stating the facts, u arnt going to get anywhere with me by playing the NANNA NANNA BOO BOO U CANT CATCH ME game.
Also your rants on 200 were way more entertaning last night;) u made the time go by while flying to the furballs;)
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
MMMMMLEEEEROOOYYYY MMMMMJENKINSSSSSSSSSS!
GODDDDDDD D%&&$##$(((M%IT LEEROY!!!!
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There's maybe what , 20 good pieces of advice in this column .
Good posts Bat
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More like 4, they're just repeated or rephrased by others. The rest is just... I'm not exactly sure what.
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S! sax thanks.
although i rekon its all a troll anyhow.
Warlock = Hitech or something.
sticking up for people in anyway these days is just not worth it.
:lol
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
1. MMM hmm like when u augured in a co alt co E merg trying to kill me;), still by far the funnest encounter I have ever had with u LOL.
2. U also cant blame the carnage that happend to u last night on anyone but yourself.
3. Read my post above about if u dont like getting shot down by me then stay out of my area!!!
was trying to be nice, but your hallow arragance has, yet again, steered me otherwise!
1. I augered watching your ship go in. When you started with the advantage....hint hint....ownage!
2. Blame? Carnage? You were as usual higher and on 6 with more speed, now, if you want to brag about killing someone who's either fighting someone else or on the deck with no E, then take it elsewhere, that is a dreamers ACE! Any 4month/AW Dos pilot can do it!:rofl
3. Your "area" usually includes 2 sectors of friendlies with you hovering above!
The film TC posted says much about how you approach this game, it is your 15 bucks, so enjoy it, but do not expect me to ever give you credit as a skilled fighter, that would entail "FIGHTING"!
AHIGHT?
:aok
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
When TC posted the vidio of the ganging it was directed at me, and to disprove my flying, he did not offer any help.
Infact his words were i stay away from the MA now because of this.
warlockl, yes I posted the film directing toward you, mainly because of your self promoted glorification...... and yes I am grown enough to say I openly took a jab at you specifically with it as well.
yes, warlockl, I disaprove of that type of flying, not disaprove of YOUR type of flying, but that type of flying / playing mentality.......with as many people who fly online for the different chess pieces, there is no reason on earth to sit back and approve of people jumping in on a fight already in progress regardless if it is 2 vs 1 or 3 vs 1.......people always talk about vets/longtime players being set in their ways......well the truth of the matter is , is they once were new and like Urchin posted did the same things as the example of the film I posted did. and each of them(us) have went thru the public humiliation of being gauded for the way we were approaching the game.
If you look back thru my post in this thread, I did post that the game and online play is forever changing, and everyone old & new must accept certian changes to the way things become or they will get completely burnt/pissed/fed up.........this is not to say that the longtime/older players should accept outright disapproved of gameplaying example: 7 or 8 jumping the 1, even though the one was already in a fight with the 1st two opponents and outnumbered........but I guess when it comes down to it, that night in the ndilses map your crew got tired of toolshedding without opposition and decided to fly east and jump in on the fight the 3 or 4 rooks were having with me between 24 & 48. I had been engaging in multiple fights of 1 vs 1, 2 vs 1, 3 vs 1 for almost an hour while you and your crew were flying from the west side of the map hitting an undefended field. and not once did I complain of being outnumbered, even when the 7 or 8 of you finished me off, I do not think I said a word, not that I can remember anyhow.......I simply logged off.......
yes, I also said / typed that I do not frequent the MA's ( really the LW MA's ) that much anymore for that sole purpose......
I never once said I would not help, or I would not offer help, nor did I refuse to help anyone in this game.........
just because I might disaprove of a certian game playing style, does not mean I will not help people who might want to play that way.......
I have always tryed to offer any help I can , regardless of what arenas I prefer to fly in....
and 1 final word, where on these boards have you ever seen me "Chest Thump" or claim to be some superior game player, when I play I have fun or I log that simple. I do not boast about how many I shoot down, or play the "name in lights " game. and If I, myself post any films it usually ends up with me on the losing end, for there are way to many people who post films of the miraculious 10/15/20 kill sorties......any films or copys of films by me posted on these boards are done by others strictly for training purposes, except for 1 sole film posted long ago of me fly a F4U1C........that shows nothing but fun flying, even though it was 5 to 7 verses 1......the guys in that film took turns of jumping in 1 to 3 at a time, them guys knew what overkill was and the definition of it.....
I can say with all honesty with my best recollection that I have never had you ask me for any help from day 1, that I can remember.....but the offer is always open ended with me for everyone, and always has been.......( edit: with RealLife matters/Time permitting that is )
~S~ Warlockl, and as I said the offer is always on the table, you can bring your whole squad if you would like and the Trainers could schedule a clinic just for your crew!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
was trying to be nice, but your hallow arragance has, yet again, steered me otherwise!
1. I augered watching your ship go in. When you started with the advantage....hint hint....ownage!
2. Blame? Carnage? You were as usual higher and on 6 with more speed, now, if you want to brag about killing someone who's either fighting someone else or on the deck with no E, then take it elsewhere, that is a dreamers ACE! Any 4month/AW Dos pilot can do it!:rofl
3. Your "area" usually includes 2 sectors of friendlies with you hovering above!
The film TC posted says much about how you approach this game, it is your 15 bucks, so enjoy it, but do not expect me to ever give you credit as a skilled fighter, that would entail "FIGHTING"!
AHIGHT?
:aok
Everytime i kill u u lie about how it really goes down.
POST THE FILM!!! u were in a -4 i in a -1a SLOWER in the merg, it was almost a head on merge, i looped over around on u, u continued strait in a zoom climb. i was 2K behind u when u turned and dove, meaning u had more E, i dove in as well causing another Co ALT MERG.
But since u already had about 9 beers in u, i guess u might night remember all that, once again dont make excuses on what happend, post the film
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
warlockl, yes I posted the film directing toward you, mainly because of your self promoted glorification...... and yes I am grown enough to say I openly took a jab at you specifically with it as well.
yes, warlockl, I disaprove of that type of flying, not disaprove of YOUR type of flying, but that type of flying / playing mentality.......with as many people who fly online for the different chess pieces, there is no reason on earth to sit back and approve of people jumping in on a fight already in progress regardless if it is 2 vs 1 or 3 vs 1.......people always talk about vets/longtime players being set in their ways......well the truth of the matter is , is they once were new and like Urchin posted did the same things as the example of the film I posted did. and each of them(us) have went thru the public humiliation of being gauded for the way we were approaching the game.
If you look back thru my post in this thread, I did post that the game and online play is forever changing, and everyone old & new must accept certian changes to the way things become or they will get completely burnt/pissed/fed up.........this is not to say that the longtime/older players should accept outright disapproved of gameplaying example: 7 or 8 jumping the 1, even though the one was already in a fight with the 1st two opponents and outnumbered........but I guess when it comes down to it, that night in the ndilses map your crew got tired of toolshedding without opposition and decided to fly east and jump in on the fight the 3 or 4 rooks were having with me between 24 & 48. I had been engaging in multiple fights of 1 vs 1, 2 vs 1, 3 vs 1 for almost an hour while you and your crew were flying from the west side of the map hitting an undefended field. and not once did I complain of being outnumbered, even when the 7 or 8 of you finished me off, I do not think I said a word, not that I can remember anyhow.......I simply logged off.......
yes, I also said / typed that I do not frequent the MA's ( really the LW MA's ) that much anymore for that sole purpose......
I never once said I would not help, or I would not offer help, nor did I refuse to help anyone in this game.........
just because I might disaprove of a certian game playing style, does not mean I will not help people who might want to play that way.......
I have always tryed to offer any help I can , regardless of what arenas I prefer to fly in....
and 1 final word, where on these boards have you ever seen me "Chest Thump" or claim to be some superior game player, when I play I have fun or I log that simple. I do not boast about how many I shoot down, or play the "name in lights " game. and If I, myself post any films it usually ends up with me on the losing end, for there are way to many people who post films of the miraculious 10/15/20 kill sorties......any films or copys of films by me posted on these boards are done by others strictly for training purposes, except for 1 sole film posted long ago of me fly a F4U1C........that shows nothing but fun flying, even though it was 5 to 7 verses 1......the guys in that film took turns of jumping in 1 to 3 at a time, them guys knew what overkill was and the definition of it.....
I can say with all honesty with my best recollection that I have never had you ask me for any help from day 1, that I can remember.....but the offer is always open ended with me for everyone, and always has been.......( edit: with RealLife matters/Time permitting that is )
~S~ Warlockl, and as I said the offer is always on the table, you can bring your whole squad if you would like and the Trainers could schedule a clinic just for your crew!
I apreciate your offer TC I pretty much do the training on my squadron now as it is, and we tend to end up more in the DA than the TA when we train.
Regardless if what others might think is I do have enuf skill to be able to help, and show some people some stuff myself, not because Im a great uber pilot as people keep saying. Simply because of my knowledge of aircraft, ability to judge energy and situational awarness.
I balive its those 3 basic principles that need to be tought, and maybe a few ACMS and suggestions on what to do in a certain situation.
I balive everyone has their own fighting style and once tought the basics and given some knowledge then each will find their own style.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Everytime i kill u u lie about how it really goes down.
POST THE FILM!!! u were in a -4 i in a -1a SLOWER in the merg, it was almost a head on merge, i looped over around on u, u continued strait in a zoom climb. i was 2K behind u when u turned and dove, meaning u had more E, i dove in as well causing another Co ALT MERG.
But since u already had about 9 beers in u, i guess u might night remember all that, once again dont make excuses on what happend, post the film
If you are referring to that night over A9, you never engaged anyone 1v1 from a co-alt position. There was always a Rookie F4U hovering above the furball waiting for the cherry pick on someone that was already engaged. And the Knights attacking A9 were always out numbered on the average of 3 to 1.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled chest thumping.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I apreciate your offer TC I pretty much do the training on my squadron now as it is
:rolleyes:
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my film says you, 299 3.8K and me 266 3.5K at 800yrds away head-on. Albeit, not much of an advantage, it proves you lie constantly about how things go down! :aok
:lol
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Simply because of my ability to judge energy and situational awarness.
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
POST THE FILM!!! u were in a -4 i in a -1a SLOWER in the merg, it was almost a head on merge, i looped over around on u, u continued strait in a zoom climb. i was 2K behind u when u turned and dove, meaning u had more E, i dove in as well causing another Co ALT MERG.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/WarlockLmergeE.jpg)
:rofl
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PWN3D!
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Originally posted by SuperDud
:cry<-=superdud
haha thats right :)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Everytime i kill u u lie about how it really goes down.
Well, this is how I normally see our encounters:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/warlockLgangerboi.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/warlockLganger.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/warlockLgang.jpg)
:rofl "the beating you took last night"! Somehow, you get all pumped up about yourself because you killed a fella with 2, 3, 4, sometimes "7" friendlies with you. You think your doing something by being real aggressive with ur tardlings or speed advantage there to cover your mistakes. Hell, 90% of the arena has mastered gangtarding! Pathetically funny!:aok
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Originally proven by WaRLoCkL
Better for people to think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/WarlockLmergeE.jpg)
:rofl
I am not sure if that is the first or second merge, why dont u post the film so prove it?? If I reall in the first merge i looped back over on u and u stayed strait, and i could not catch u, u were also above me. Post the film and show it from the beginning
still apparently pretty sad I have been gone 2 days out and about with my hot military chick, and you still in here posting your hearts content away.
Just goes to show me u need to start finding some things to do on the weekends:aok atleast i can post a full vidio of my encouter, however u post just what u want people to see.
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Originally posted by SKYROCK
Im really good at only showing half the truth, and making things look good to benifit myself. If I wasnt trying to hide anything I would be posting the film and not the screenshot of a certain point that I may have lost all my energy. After all u guys dont know if this is the 1st, 2nd, or third merge but it will make me look good, and unless your smarter than me u wont know the difference. After all I really am a good liar myself, thats why I am so quick to call someone else a Liar to discredit them first.
So Im always a ganger huh??? if im not mistaken looks to me Im the only rook in the area. The reason u can always post pics of u being outnumberd by me, is because you dont have enuf sense to stay away from a enemy base with 20 cons, and u run in by yourself, everyone is a gangtard to u skyrock and your rampent posts on 200 prove that, u can post film and pics of everyone ganging because u dont have enuf sense to come into a fight with anyone. Like i said u want 1 on 1s go to the DA.
Dont forget not to long after this film u and your own little horde came towards 9 and 15k and didnt want to come down to the deck.
If i recall it was u, jetsom, flotsom, danodano, ack-ack, and quit a few others actually. My only squaddie was MUGSY at the time I cant control what everyone else does to u.
Also ack-ack, dont even talk about anyone being a alt monkey u were the highest thing around 9 for 45 minutes.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Well, this is how I normally see our encounters: because im a retard and get in situations i cant get out of
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/warlockLgangerboi.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/warlockLganger.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/warlockLgang.jpg)
:rofl "the beating you took last night"! Somehow, you get all pumped up about yourself because you killed a fella with 2, 3, 4, sometimes "7" friendlies with you. You think your doing something by being real aggressive with ur tardlings or speed advantage there to cover your mistakes. Hell, 90% of the arena has mastered gangtarding! Pathetically funny!:aok
HMMM lets look at this film at this pic a little bit better.
1.st pic, there is only 2 cons withink 1k of u, every other enemy con is over 3k out. u also have a freindly con 1.8k from u, I DONT CALL THAT GANGING, u cant post a film and go by the numbers of cons and freindlys within 10k of u.
2. pic 2 LOOK AT RANGE OF ENEMYS, I AM THE ONLY CON ENGAGED WITH U, Next closest enemy is 2.4k AWAY!!!!
YOUR CLOSEST ALLIE IS 1.3k away!!!!!!!!!
pic number 3, there is only 1 squaddie of mine in that whole scenario, and why dont u tell people how close u were to our base. If i recall you were almost in ACK range. so what the heck do u expect to happen to a hurricane that close to enemy teritory
U make the pictures look good by sliding it around showing the most red that u can. Thats only going to fool the feble minded
In each one of those pics u were never engaged by more than 2 cons.
That should be no problem for the great SKYROCK!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Also ack-ack, dont even talk about anyone being a alt monkey u were the highest thing around 9 for 45 minutes.
I was there also. You're not helping your credibility with this exaduration.
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Originally posted by Murdr
I was there also. You're not helping your credibility with this exaduration.
Credibility for what? Defending a base being attacked? oh I guess that is not allowed anymore.
Murdr If u were there then u know as well as I do that yall were comming in at 15k or better almost every round, skyrock on the other had was the only con comming in low, so that is his own fault.
I know u were there because I shot u down also because u allowed yourself to lose some altitude.
I gave u a if u dont remember, because u did a exeptional job of staying alive and flying your plane right. However after being over a enemy base for 15 minutes its bound to happen.
U can discredit me if u want for being the smart one and climbing out to come back in at your guys altitude, that is the only reason I even got u.
but lets see? climb out to match enemy cons altitude or stay under him and let him vulch me all day?? I chose to climb out, and it worked it was good stratagy, I did not come in above u guys but I came back with enuf energy to put up a fight. I also killed DANO DANO on that same encounter, dont discredit me for doing the smart thing, the only ones that can be discredited were the ones that did not egress when they lost their E and found themselfs outnumberd.
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pfft turdr and lacklack, na they never fly high. it's a myth I tell ya a pure fabrication. those two are always down in weeds.
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You just claimed that AKAK was the highest plane over A9 for 45 minutes strainght. That was not the case.
Second, I only lost 2 planes that entire login. One was as spit9 right at a12 when the rook CV was off shore. The other was at the shore line 10 miles north of A9 when I diverted from going to A9 to drop in and help flotsom who was outnumbered on the deck, and I was eventually picked at that location. I did not bother either time to note who got the kill as neither was in any way remarkable.
You did not shoot me down at A9. I did shoot you 2-1/2 miles west of a9 nearly point blank from your 9 o'clock position.
Credibility means one can believe what is said, yours is going south with me very quickly in this case. Instead of admitting you are making claims with "ballpark" facts and stereotypes, you come up with another inaccurate story.
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(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/images/ss3.jpg)
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not a such a rare image if the conditions are all correct. occasionally he will dive down to swoop on an otherwise engaged player on the opposing team. he will do so much more readily and boldly if there are many friendlies with him as is evidenced from your screen shot. think of the six guys diving after an unguarded taco sceanrio, lacklack will be the one with sour cream dripping from the corner of his mouth.
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Storch, I was playing along with the stereotype joke. Why do you have to reply like an arse?
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
In each one of those pics u were never engaged by more than 2 cons.
Again, you miss the big pic.......
You run your mouth with statements like, "The beating you took...." when in reality, you were usually the second guy in with a speed advantage and starting on my 6 with............other cons behind you and the other plane on my 6 as well. This limits reversal techniques because one has to calculate 2nd, 3rd, and 4th plane in scenarios.
Which brings us back to our original comment about you telling people to fly smart. Many think your style of...........flying smart........ is nothing more than a gang-bang-cherry-boy style.:aok??? Nothing wrong with that, but you will catch a rep for it and be called out on it.
PS It is a game, I take chances, it is ultimately my fault for getting into those situations................... ... because I could just sit above every fight in the comfort of my horde and be 2nd, 3rd, 4th fella in and be.....................SAFE! :rofl
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Murdr, your going to be late for work ! :p
Yes I'm already at work :D
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because I am one, no personas here pal.
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Originally posted by storch
because I am one, no personas here pal.
I knew you had a sense of humor there somewhere :aok
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by the way mine was a stereotypical jab as well. well.......ok a gouge.
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shooting people down in the MA is one thing, but you never really beat anyone till you do it in the DA. imo.
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Originally posted by Murdr
I knew you had a sense of humor there somewhere :aok
I think he is being honest there :rofl
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
shooting people down in the MA is one thing, but you never really beat anyone till you do it in the DA. imo.
yup that is true. I'll add co alt co E same planes to that.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Again, you miss the big pic.......
You run your mouth with statements like, "The beating you took...." when in reality, you were usually the second guy in with a speed advantage and starting on my 6 with............other cons behind you and the other plane on my 6 as well. This limits reversal techniques because one has to calculate 2nd, 3rd, and 4th plane in scenarios.
Which brings us back to our original comment about you telling people to fly smart. Many think your style of...........flying smart........ is nothing more than a gang-bang-cherry-boy style.:aok??? Nothing wrong with that, but you will catch a rep for it and be called out on it.
PS It is a game, I take chances, it is ultimately my fault for getting into those situations................... ... because I could just sit above every fight in the comfort of my horde and be 2nd, 3rd, 4th fella in and be.....................SAFE! :rofl
I am far from safe, that is why MRDR did kill me over at A9 while i was on someones six, after all that is the best time to get shot down.
Why end one argument with the sake of starting another. This thread is getting really old, and I do not like to go into fights with numbers, I actually head for the biggest enemy dar bar I can find, and unfortunely that draws alot of freindly attention. I cant help people follow me or end up in the same area as me.
98% of the time u will NEVER find me over 13k, but yes I wont dive down and get into a a turn fight with the first con I see, slashing shots, and a couple dive ins are my choice of flight until i get myself low enuf and E down enuf to fight the guy without him forcing a overshoot on me relitlivly easy. think what u want skyrock, but I dont like making myself a easy kill.
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Originally posted by Murdr
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/images/ss3.jpg)
Ok who hacked AKAK's account?
:noid :noid
Bronk
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Originally posted by Murdr
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/images/ss3.jpg)
Is that ack I see shooting at ackack? :D
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F'em MWL, after a short bit, the jug wither kills a turny puke or it will never....when NEVER approaches, I leave, as nothing good is gonna happen now.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Is that ack I see shooting at ackack? :D
You would think they'd show some professional courtesy. At least they can't shoot at me while I'm at 35,000ft.
ack-ack
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We all know that AKAK in the screen shot is really not the same Ack-Ack on the forums. So this is a fraud shot of said Ack-Ack. For we all know Ack-Ack is still up there and AKAK is just his decoy to make us think he came down.
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That is probably bojo using akak's account. I've run into him several times at low level like this.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Is that ack I see shooting at ackack? :D
Give the guy a break. He has to take off from somewhere.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Give the guy a break. He has to take off from somewhere.
How else would I get to 35,000ft so fast? It's not just from all those frijoles y tortillas I eat.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
We all know that AKAK in the screen shot is really not the same Ack-Ack on the forums. So this is a fraud shot of said Ack-Ack. For we all know Ack-Ack is still up there and AKAK is just his decoy to make us think he came down.
Damnit, now they know I've got a shade account and that AKAK isn't really me. I told Bojo our secret would get out, but that damn monkey and his hair brained schemes!
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
How else would I get to 35,000ft so fast? It's not just from all those frijoles y tortillas I eat.
ack-ack
Glad to see you are using re-newable resources!:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Well, this is how I normally see our encounters:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/warlockLgangerboi.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/warlockLganger.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa223/Skyrock67/warlockLgang.jpg)
:rofl "the beating you took last night"! Somehow, you get all pumped up about yourself because you killed a fella with 2, 3, 4, sometimes "7" friendlies with you. You think your doing something by being real aggressive with ur tardlings or speed advantage there to cover your mistakes. Hell, 90% of the arena has mastered gangtarding! Pathetically funny!:aok
hey i know that guy, i heard hes crazy :D
just had to im sorry guys:cry :lol :rolleyes: :D
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I can't believe that this thread is still Running on...
;)
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Originally posted by Ghastly
I can't believe that this thread is still Running on...
;)
it wasnt til you..............bumped it!:aok
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Originally posted by Ghastly
I can't believe that this thread is still Running on...
;)
LOL told u they wouldnt stop;)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
LOL told u they wouldnt stop;)
Don't spend too much time in your pride at being correct, you also said your last post was..... about 5 or 6 of your posts ago. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by megadud
fight em, it's the only way you'll get better in that plane. if you die then guess what you get to up a brand new plane!!! it's a great cycle. Don't be a pansy in a game, just fight. :aok
PS "reset" the fight? :rofl that is a load of crap, if you lost once you'll probably lose again. what a load of crap, that is something a newb would say. :lol
Wow such an amatuer attitude towards engagments. Real fighter pilots are taught everyday. "If the fight isn't looking good to you, break off. Reset the engagment, make it good for you." So I guess every Pilot in the world is a newb, well according to Megaduds definition.
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Originally posted by AGM65
Wow such an amatuer attitude towards engagments. Real fighter pilots are taught everyday. "If the fight isn't looking good to you, break off. Reset the engagment, make it good for you." So I guess every Pilot in the world is a newb, well according to Megaduds definition.
There is one major difference...if you get shot down in the MA you get a brand new shiny airplane for your troubles. Real fighter pilots didn't have that luxury.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
There is one major difference...if you get shot down in the MA you get a brand new shiny airplane for your troubles. Real fighter pilots didn't have that luxury.
ack-ack
That is way too hard of a concept for some/most to understand.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
There is one major difference...if you get shot down in the MA you get a brand new shiny airplane for your troubles. Real fighter pilots didn't have that luxury.
ack-ack
word
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Wow would this thread die already
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This post is not directed at anyone in particular.
The only thing I care about when playing this game is my fun. If that includes ruining your fun then that just makes my fun so much the better! If I can kill your goon, vulch you on landing, or deny you the satisfaction of killing me by running away ... it will make my day. Especially if I can get you to whine on 200!
At one of the Cons HiTech himself said that the whole goal of this game is to piss off the other guy. :aok