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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKDejaVu on August 14, 2001, 04:34:00 PM
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Sorry rocket... you were just too cryptic in your show of apreciation ;)
AKDejaVu
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S!
This is excellent choice as an adaption of the F4U4`s. The Marines now have their `43 plane.
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How does the F4U-1 compare to the D?
SKurj
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SKurj,
It depends on weather it has Water injection or not. It does have a birdcage which is an early F4U-1 trait however the F4U-1A was a field upgrade so some had it and some did not.
If it did not then it's performance will be almost identical to the F4U-1D without water injection except with a slight improvement in climb at Mil power. With water injection it will have about the same top speed as the 1D with a about the same climb as the current -1D at combat power.
The only advatage it will have is better turning ability as the early -1 did not have a spoiler strip on the port wing to reduce the stall characteristics. So it will turn better but really snap like a 190 when it goes. Also the F4U-1 had wing tanks and therefore will have longer range on internal fuel.
So basically it will be like the P-47D11 of the F4U series. Not to mention a very stylish for the fall season.
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Very pretty!
A few questions though.
1. Will it operate off of CV? The real F4U1A
did not to my knowlege.
2. Will it model the correct lower seating position of the birdcage models?
3. Will it have the neat little window on the bottom?
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VF-12 completed carrier qual by April of 1943.
Starting May 1, 1943, VF-17 landed F4U-1's and eventually all pilots got their five traps. VF-17 deployed aboard Bunker Hill with new F4U-1A's from the factory September 10 of '43.
So, VF-12 and VF-17 successfully completed carrier qual with F4U-1's.
Here's one opinion on why they did not remain as carrier squadrons:
"The trip to the West Coast was uneventful, and they sortied from San Diego on September 28.
But a few days out, official lightning struck. VF-17 was detached from Bunker Hill, and ordered to the island of Espiritu Santo, to operate as a land-based squadron. The problem was one of logistics, not of operations. The high command knew that Blackburn's Corsairs could operate from a carrier. But as the only Corsair squadron in a Navy full of Grumman Hellcats and Wildcats, supplying and maintaining them would be a headache."
Short answer: Yes, they can operate from carriers.
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So we get another US plane......
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...which is not 1944 or '45 plane :)
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But No Japanese Planes in v1.08?
Doh...I'm sad. :(
-Mitsu
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Some F4U-1s had the window in the bottom, but many pilots couldn't see out of them, so alot of them got painted over. This model happened to have one that was painted over.
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Nate,
I still want to see a VMF paint job for the -4 ;P We now have 3 naval hogs let's do the perkie as a Marine issue. :) :)
S!
Rocket
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Thx for responses all!
BTW, NATEDOG, do you now have some time for that lil thing I asked about last month? :)
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remind me again what that was..... I've drank alot since then.
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Sure! :)
The 109 oil-cooler shape is too narrow in all the models. It should be at-least twice as wide.
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oh yea, I think I can get to that.
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Sorry to hijack this thread, but Nate would you mind fixing the inboard flaps on the P38 as well? You have the inboards modeled as split flaps, they should be fowler just like the outboard flaps.
ts
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Someone mentioned 109 canopy struts ?
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Thanks NATEDOG!
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LOL....even a thread about a new Corsiar gets hijacked by the Waffle Brigade....too damn funny.
Cobra
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VMF-323 flew off CV's, they were Marines, they flew F4U-1's. (Okay, so they flew off them to ferry A/C to Okinawa, big deal!)
Looks great Nate! Need some Marine Corp insignias on it!
Semper Fi!
(P.S. Did you guys fix the zoom climb on it yet?)
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How about VMF 214 Pappy Boyington scheme. he did have a personal scheme. Plane was Lu Lu Bell. http://www.acepilots.com/lulubelle3.jpg (http://www.acepilots.com/lulubelle3.jpg)
Originally posted by Ripsnort:
VMF-323 flew off CV's, they were Marines, they flew F4U-1's. (Okay, so they flew off them to ferry A/C to Okinawa, big deal!)
Looks great Nate! Need some Marine Corp insignias on it!
Semper Fi!
(P.S. Did you guys fix the zoom climb on it yet?)
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Natedog, Pyro,
Does this Bird have water injection or not?
How about the spoiler strip on the port wing?
Is there any chance of you releasing this version in the next 10minutes, I can't wait.
Please :D
F4UDOA
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Maybe we weren't saying it clearly enough. We wanted F4F not F4U!!! ;) Wildcat, not another Hog! :D
Thanks though!!
Please tell us we've got a Wildcat or Dauntless for the next update!! ;)
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Looks purty! Nice big beautiful blue. Same question as rip though.
Did the zoom get fixed? If it did, was it only on the 1 or does it hold for the 1D and C also?
Zippatuh
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Of all of the ac we could have used to round out the midwar plane set for scenario's we get another f4 with the same basic performance as the current one, am I reading this right? Whats the reasoning behind that? I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but at present it escapes me.
BTW, after having not been able to play for the last month, away on business, I am newly struck by what a great game this really is, confusing new additions or not :)
CRASH
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Nice work NATEDOG bul PLeazzzze !! remember the Fw190 series canopy framework texture!!!
FabriKA6
1° Gruppo Caccia "ASSO DI BASTONI"
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I'll take any USN plane with that way cool 3-tone paint job. (I think the Hellcats looked best in it though.) Looks like we are slowly creeping to earlier-war planes now. F6F-3, F4F and Dauntlesses should be coming in a few months along with adversaries. Oh yeah, and the P-40. Aces High really has a strong ETO feel to me (at least in the MA other than N1K) and I'd like to see a good PTO plane set utilized in the future now that we have the CT.
-Puke
332nd Flying Mongrels
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Looking at the screenshot HTC put up I'd venture a guess that the F4U-1 we're getting will be able to operate off the deck of a cv since if you look closely at the pic there's the fleet sitting purty there in the background. :D
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F4U-1
417 mph at 19,900ft
rate of climb: 2,890 fpm
ceiling: 36,900ft
6x.50's 2350 rounds
2x100lb bombs
Gross weight: 12,039lb
Max takeoff: 14,000
I can find no evidence of the F4U-1 seeing active US CV duty.
The F4U-1A was the first Corsair to see active duty on a US carrier.
My suggestion: No F4U-1's available on CV's BUT give it the stiffer oleo struts, and give it an arrestor hook. At least then a CV can be used for refuelling
The british version of the F4U-1 with clipped wings +) however likely did see carrier duty, tho i don't have any accurate info
SKurj
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Here's hoping that this is the fixed-wing variant of the F4U-1. It will be significantly lighter and more agile (also slower and no WEP I believe) than the other F4Us in AH. Basically it will be as different as possible in performance compared to the other F4Us which IMO would be good.
Hooligan
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Hooligan:
Empty weight F4U-1 8,982lb's
F4U-1D 8,695lb's
Gross weight 12,039lbs for both... (seems strange)
FG-1A (Goodyear F4U-1A's) were built without the folding wing mechanism, and were used by Marine units from land bases.
SKurj
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Lulubelle is a -1A.. not a -1
SKurj
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Skurj:
I believe some -1s were built without folding wings also. I have not been able to locate weight data for them, but extrapolation from weight differences in F4F folding/non-folding wings would indicate about 600 to 800 lbs difference in an F4U.
Hooligan
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SKurj,
You got the wrong specs. Those numbers are for the F4U-1A. Note any listing of combat power with an F4U indicates the use of water injection. I'm not saying that the AH version won't have water, just thAt the birdcage is a trademark of the pre-water models. The max speed of the -1 would be 405MPH and about 350MPH at sea level. Just look at the mil power specs for the -1A.
However the upside is that the -1 without water is much lighter.
F4U-1 (no water)
Empty is 8762lbs
Normal fighter load= 11,161lbs almost 1K less than the -1D
Full main tank weight= 11,515lbs 500lbs less than -1D
Full internal fuel = internal wing tanks= 12,676LBS
So the F4U-1 no water will be slower than the 1D by about 10 to 15 MPH but will handle like a Hellcat or better.
Also keep in mind that the flaps will be fixed along with the F4U-1D climb and F4U-1C weight. But the really big news is that Pyro promised 1 more thing when he fixed the 1D and added the -1. The F4U-4!!!
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<hijackers strike back>
What about them oilcoolers and canopy struts on the 109 ?!?!
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Ahh well F4UDOA I am just going by my reference material. Hmm now i look at it, it doesn't give specs for the F4U-1A... the only -1X specs it gives are for the -1
SKurj
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Skurj that's probably because the -1A designation doesn't officially exist. It's used to describe those -1 which had the bubble hood and raised seat, etc.