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Title: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Shamrock on January 26, 2010, 06:13:35 PM
hey guys...see im new at skinning and im probably gona get some heat for this....but if someone would make the "Bulldogs" skin that would be awesome....i have a pic of my grandpas corsair in my room....ill post some for u skinners to see and hopefully add to the corsairs skns...thankyou. Also, i just now found out that VMF 223 flew F4F wildacts and Brewster Buffalos. And the SBD dauntless...okay well i couldnt find any "decent" pics of the planes but the patch is the nose art for the squad....the colors are....Dark, DARK black the letters on the vertical stab/rudder are...WP and
the white star on the blue thing that says MARINES behind it....and a 68 infront of that thanks...

][url] (http://[url)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMF-223[/url]
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: 5PointOh on January 26, 2010, 06:21:06 PM
Without pictures its very difficult to skin....
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: lyric1 on January 26, 2010, 08:41:48 PM
You mentioned you have a picture of your grandfathers plane right? Post it I am sure when it comes to an AHII player having a relative flying an aircraft that is in the game some one will do it for you.
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Shamrock on January 27, 2010, 03:52:47 PM
hey guys...see im new at skinning and im probably gona get some heat for this....but if someone would make the "Bulldogs" skin that would be awesome....i have a pic of my grandpas corsair in my room....ill post some for u skinners to see and hopefully add to the corsairs skns...thankyou. Also, i just now found out that VMF 223 flew F4F wildacts and Brewster Buffalos. And the SBD dauntless...okay well i couldnt find any "decent" pics of the planes but the patch is the nose art for the squad....the colors are....Dark, DARK black the letters on the vertical stab/rudder are...WP and
the white star on the blue thing that says MARINES behind it....and a 68 infront of that thanks...

[url]]][url] (http://[url=http://)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMF-223[/url]
ok...i have ONE pic...now its very late WWII and its of a corsair...VMF 223 flew all corsairs and all F4F models...im positive the F4F version is the default of the one now exept that it has a bulldog patch on the nose...this corsair is a -4 https://www.magellanmodels.com/repository/product/essn003.jpg (https://www.magellanmodels.com/repository/product/essn003.jpg)


Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Spikes on January 27, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
Can't skin something from a model...need accurate pics from the war...also that kind of looks like a post war skin, but I can't tell the difference.
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: TwinBoom on January 27, 2010, 04:13:43 PM
ok...i have ONE pic...now its very late WWII and its of a corsair...VMF 223 flew all corsairs and all F4F models...im positive the F4F version is the default of the one now exept that it has a bulldog patch on the nose...this corsair is a -4 https://www.magellanmodels.com/repository/product/essn003.jpg (https://www.magellanmodels.com/repository/product/essn003.jpg)




see the red stripe in the bands on the star that is a post war skin
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Shamrock on January 27, 2010, 04:20:45 PM
see the red stripe in the bands on the star that is a post war skin
look if u dont believe me that its a WW2 skin then my grandpas WW2 Corsair wich is the EXACT skin as that...is a fake! the squad began in 1943 that is the EXACT skin that VMF 223 used on there -4's :old: :salute
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: lyric1 on January 27, 2010, 04:42:21 PM
look if u dont believe me that its a WW2 skin then my grandpas WW2 Corsair wich is the EXACT skin as that...is a fake! the squad began in 1943 that is the EXACT skin that VMF 223 used on there -4's :old: :salute
No one has accused you of being fake. Just that it takes a long time to skin stuff from scratch & then it has to be approved by the staff that hosts the game & if they can't verify that it is legit the skin wont be accepted. Then guess what all that work the skinner did was for nothing. You have the pic on the wall simply get it down & go from there.
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Krusty on January 27, 2010, 04:55:58 PM
Shamrock, you may simply look at it, see a blue plane, and say "it's the same" -- but the skinners in the AH community spot the little things you may not.

The model plane you posted a link to is a post-war paint scheme. There are many subtle clues to this. Sure, there may be a WW2 paint scheme that is similar, but it's not the same.

For example, here is a VMF-222 F4U-4 on (I think) Okinawa, same time as VMF-223 had theirs and the same place.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/fugari/F4U-4VMF-2221945.jpg)

Subtle differences include the type of stars and bars, the colors (note the lighter shades under the plane), the plane markings themselves (no boxing dog emblem, no "US MARINES" on the tail).

As skinners, we are looking for info or references on WW2-era planes, rather than post-war. Any help you can provide will only make your skin request that much more interesting to a potential skinner.
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: TwinBoom on January 27, 2010, 05:13:16 PM
look if u dont believe me that its a WW2 skin then my grandpas WW2 Corsair wich is the EXACT skin as that...is a fake! the squad began in 1943 that is the EXACT skin that VMF 223 used on there -4's :old: :salute

not saying i dont believe you its just that the pic u provided is post war meaning its a paint sceme after ww2

heres another 223 f4u
(http://www.nps.gov/archive/wapa/indepth/extContent/usmc/pcn-190-003122-00/images/fig24.jpg)
Marion Carl, now a major and commanding his old squadron, VMF-223, made his 17th kill in December 1943, when he shot down a Japanese Tony over Rabaul. Carl was escorting Marine PBJ (B-25) bombers in his F4U-1 Corsair when the enemy fighter jumped the raiders. The victory was Carl's next-to-last score.
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Fencer51 on January 27, 2010, 06:25:37 PM
Subtle differences include the type of stars and bars, the colors (note the lighter shades under the plane), the plane markings themselves (no boxing dog emblem, no "US MARINES" on the tail).

Nice photo Krusty.  FYI I believe that "lighter shade" is actually exhaust staining/dirt.
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: lyric1 on January 27, 2010, 06:48:18 PM
Nice photo Krusty.  FYI I believe that "lighter shade" is actually exhaust staining/dirt.
I have this photo as well only the second plane is complete. I passed it on to a skinner some time back. The plane in the back ground if your referring to that is another shade. To the best of my memory.
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Shamrock on January 27, 2010, 06:54:01 PM
Shamrock, you may simply look at it, see a blue plane, and say "it's the same" -- but the skinners in the AH community spot the little things you may not.

The model plane you posted a link to is a post-war paint scheme. There are many subtle clues to this. Sure, there may be a WW2 paint scheme that is similar, but it's not the same.

For example, here is a VMF-222 F4U-4 on (I think) Okinawa, same time as VMF-223 had theirs and the same place.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/fugari/F4U-4VMF-2221945.jpg)

Subtle differences include the type of stars and bars, the colors (note the lighter shades under the plane), the plane markings themselves (no boxing dog emblem, no "US MARINES" on the tail).

As skinners, we are looking for info or references on WW2-era planes, rather than post-war. Any help you can provide will only make your skin request that much more interesting to a potential skinner.
okay #1 how did u find that pic? # 2 now im not a skinner so excuse my incapability to spot the "little" things # that was the pic i was looking for...not the exact one but...man i was looking for it
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Shamrock on January 27, 2010, 06:56:09 PM
not saying i dont believe you its just that the pic u provided is post war meaning its a paint sceme after ww2

heres another 223 f4u
(http://www.nps.gov/archive/wapa/indepth/extContent/usmc/pcn-190-003122-00/images/fig24.jpg)
Marion Carl, now a major and commanding his old squadron, VMF-223, made his 17th kill in December 1943, when he shot down a Japanese Tony over Rabaul. Carl was escorting Marine PBJ (B-25) bombers in his F4U-1 Corsair when the enemy fighter jumped the raiders. The victory was Carl's next-to-last score.
yea i saw this pic and thought...nooo it doesnt describe the skin as well
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: lyric1 on January 27, 2010, 11:11:12 PM
I have this photo as well only the second plane is complete. I passed it on to a skinner some time back. The plane in the back ground if your referring to that is another shade. To the best of my memory.
No I was wrong.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/fugari/F4U-4VMF-2221945-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php%3Ft%3D5116&usg=__wmQn3GC9kguqS5v86k07gvxwy5w=&h=590&w=800&sz=98&hl=en&start=2&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=tl-F9afisd4klM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvmf%2B222%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS358US358%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Krusty on January 27, 2010, 11:42:39 PM
Fencer: I wasn't totally sure, the one in the background looked a lot like light grey, so I used it to point out an example of what skinners look for. Very possible that it's all-blue like some other corsairs.

Lyric: that link doesn't load an image. Red "X" displays.

Shamrock: It took me only 2 minutes of google searching to find it, using the string "VMF-223," it wasn't hard
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: lyric1 on January 27, 2010, 11:55:34 PM
Fencer: I wasn't totally sure, the one in the background looked a lot like light grey, so I used it to point out an example of what skinners look for. Very possible that it's all-blue like some other corsairs.

Lyric: that link doesn't load an image. Red "X" displays.

Shamrock: It took me only 2 minutes of google searching to find it, using the string "VMF-223," it wasn't hard
Strange works on my end any way pic in question.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/F4U-4VMF-2221945-1.jpg)
Title: Re: VMF 223 "Bulldogs"
Post by: Shamrock on January 31, 2010, 09:59:52 AM
Fencer: I wasn't totally sure, the one in the background looked a lot like light grey, so I used it to point out an example of what skinners look for. Very possible that it's all-blue like some other corsairs.

Lyric: that link doesn't load an image. Red "X" displays.

Shamrock: It took me only 2 minutes of google searching to find it, using the string "VMF-223," it wasn't hard
yea man but i used the same thing and different crap probably popped up because all i could find is some lame pics of jets...thats cuz VMF 223 was WW2 - present day sooo it was hard for me 2 find some