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Title: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Petrol on March 29, 2015, 06:35:53 AM
I know the perk modifier and  ENY,OBJ are used to calculate perk points.
But I had to laugh!

I took a single B29 (90 perks) up to 33.5k loaded with 40 x 500lbs
A long, long climb. 
Ozkansas map. Took off NE Base 183 6k.  Heading North for a while then turning south for a while till I got to 30k.
I made up the remaining 3.3k on way to Rook City which was @ 100%
Dropped 18 blocks, saved 4 eggs for trip home.
Hit 2 town centres with a 500lb (approx 15 buildings each drop) and landed with 2 eggs still on board.

I don't know how long the flight was but I had full tank when I upped and 1/8th of tank of fuel left on landing.

1.5 perks

I probably won't fly B29 again.   Easier to take B17's and spend the perks on a 234
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Max on March 29, 2015, 06:38:43 AM
This is an OUTRAGE!  :old:
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 29, 2015, 06:49:11 AM
You took the best armed and one of the fastest bombers, moved it up to an altitude that effectively removes it from gameplay. And from this maximum safety you simply dropped 10 tons of bombs on objects.
Much could be said about earning perks in bombers. But to me, this time 1.5 perks sounds about the right reward for that.


The B-29 is a plane to burn perks, not to earn them. It's a plane for 'maximum effect'.
In my opinion, it's bad enough that the two other perk bombers can easily pay for themselves.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Petrol on March 29, 2015, 07:02:43 AM
Removes it from game play at 33.5k how? There are numerous fighters in game that can easily reach that alt and kill it.
Dropped bombs on buildings.  What else is it supposed to hit?

You are correct, the B29 is a plane to burn perks.  It's maximum effect in game is dropping city blocks.

1.5 perks just seems a little light. 
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 29, 2015, 07:13:18 AM
Removes it from game play at 33.5k how? There are numerous fighters in game that can easily reach that alt and kill it.

They can reach that altitude, but easily kill the 29? No.

Even in the Me 163 most players will have a lot of trouble in engaging B-29s with success at that altitude, most will mostly fight their own plane. And for the remaining fighter set, hunting down 33k Superfortresses is a tedious and very difficult task. So much, that very few players actually try it. Even the best plane for this task, the Ta 152H, will have a lot of problems getting into a promising attack position.

So flying a ~350mph, massively armed B-29 at 33k is about as close to be 'safe' in online mode as possible.

Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Zoney on March 29, 2015, 12:23:22 PM
Removes it from game play at 33.5k how? There are numerous fighters in game that can easily reach that alt and kill it.
Dropped bombs on buildings.  What else is it supposed to hit?

You are correct, the B29 is a plane to burn perks.  It's maximum effect in game is dropping city blocks.

1.5 perks just seems a little light.

How many B29's have you shot down at 33K ?
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Latrobe on March 29, 2015, 12:25:57 PM
B29s are unkillable once they get above 30K. I've tried a 152, P47N, P47M, Spit 14 and I have never been able to catch one. The only thing that I caught a B29 in was a 163 and it ate up all my 30mms and never died.  :(
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 29, 2015, 12:47:22 PM
B29s are unkillable once they get above 30K. I've tried a 152, P47N, P47M, Spit 14 and I have never been able to catch one.

It's difficult, but they aren't unkillable  :devil

And all of the mentioned planes are able to catch up and get into an attack position, but you need time, patience and skillful high alt flying for that.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Aspen on March 29, 2015, 12:49:56 PM
The last set I went after I ended up a little behind and below them when I found them.  I chased them with my 152 but think I might have ran out of fuel by the time I hit altitude and closed to gun range.  To get the alt and position for a proper attack, my attention span timer would have run out.

Perks reward effort and risk.  You only had one of those going for you.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Latrobe on March 29, 2015, 12:50:34 PM
skillful high alt flying for that.


That must be why I'm not able to catch them.  :D
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: guncrasher on March 29, 2015, 01:15:24 PM
I fly the pony.  I get more perks for dropping bombs and rockets in town than for killing fighters.  so I compromise, i use bombs and rockets to kill fighters taking off :).  you fly a plane because you like flying it not because of what it gets you.  if you begin to fly it because of what it gets you then it becomes more of a job than fun.


semp
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Volron on March 29, 2015, 01:34:42 PM
It's difficult, but they aren't unkillable  :devil

And all of the mentioned planes are able to catch up and get into an attack position, but you need time, patience and skillful high alt flying for that.

MOST folks don't take the 100% fuel REQUIRED to intercept high altitude B-29's, let alone have the ability to wait for a proper attack position. lol
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Dragon Tamer on March 29, 2015, 02:19:07 PM
I think the last time I took up a set of B-29s was to attack bish HQ at about 25k. I lost two of my drones but managed to bring down 2 163s, a dora, a 152, and I think a 109...
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: glzsqd on March 29, 2015, 02:38:20 PM
I only ever went after a set of B29s once(well it was actaully 4 sets). First I caught them on their climb out approaching 30k. I made two unsuccessful passes before I was oiled and PW on the Third.

I landed and got back up to meet them over our HQ. After Knocking the wingtip off of one of the Leads, he broke of the rest of the formation and i was able to bring him down as he made a Shallow decent.

I only registered one B29 kill at around 30k, and after each pass it was at-least 3 minutes before I had recovered enough speed and alt to make another proper pass. The do become significatly more vulnerable to the likes of a 152 or p47 under 30k
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 29, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
Makes me wonder how many players got the "Tadao Sumi" achievement - kill 4 B-29 in one sortie....  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: guncrasher on March 29, 2015, 02:58:01 PM
Makes me wonder how many players got the "Tadao Sumi" achievement - kill 4 B-29 in one sortie....  :headscratch:

once  downed 8 b29's.  too bad they were all mine, not on the same sorty though, crashed them all on take off.



semp
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: darkzking on March 29, 2015, 03:01:19 PM
Makes me wonder how many players got the "Tadao Sumi" achievement - kill 4 B-29 in one sortie....  :headscratch:
i've killed 3 in one sortie :lol
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Wiley on March 29, 2015, 03:32:04 PM
Makes me wonder how many players got the "Tadao Sumi" achievement - kill 4 B-29 in one sortie....  :headscratch:

My record's 3, but the bomber pilot was asleep at I think ~27k iirc.  Took out 2 legitimately, the third would've made it but the stick stirring caused a wing rip.

I was definitely scanning radar for a 4th after I got the 3 though. ;)

Wiley.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: glzsqd on March 29, 2015, 10:19:36 PM
I only have 3 kills of b29s, last one pulled straight up into me and we collided. If I knew of that achievement i would have went for 4 :(
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: JVboob on March 29, 2015, 10:48:32 PM
Makes me wonder how many players got the "Tadao Sumi" achievement - kill 4 B-29 in one sortie....  :headscratch:

Special events arena with not too long after they came out. Ki84s, 61s and Nikis vs 29s with 47 escorts i think. got 4 a few months later my subscription was cancelled and i wish you could keep your achievments cause ill never be able to pull it off again. I got 3 in the merge, then oiled and spun around real quick hit the 4th and ran home. Ended up reading that i got the kill on the 4th one which suprised me :)
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Wizz on March 30, 2015, 04:52:10 AM
You took the best armed and one of the fastest bombers, moved it up to an altitude that effectively removes it from gameplay. And from this maximum safety you simply dropped 10 tons of bombs on objects.
Much could be said about earning perks in bombers. But to me, this time 1.5 perks sounds about the right reward for that.


The B-29 is a plane to burn perks, not to earn them. It's a plane for 'maximum effect'.
In my opinion, it's bad enough that the two other perk bombers can easily pay for themselves.

Depending on the perk multiplier can yield some good perks in a 29 though especially if you get a few kills. Think the highest ive ever earned in 29's was around 15 perks.

If your wanting perks from milk running try KI-67's in midwar arena. Perks earned there will transfer over to other MA's. Milk run 3 towns with the 250kg bombs and farm dem perks. When the perk multiplier get is int 3-5 range its gets interesting. You can easily obtain 100-140 bomber perks in 30 minutes depending on how outnumbered you are against other countries.  :aok

Same thing goes for fighters and gv's
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 30, 2015, 06:33:09 AM
Depending on the perk multiplier can yield some good perks in a 29 though especially if you get a few kills. Think the highest ive ever earned in 29's was around 15 perks.

The perk bonus modifier must be quite good to get thta many perks. And even then, A2A kills won't contribute much to it when flying the B-29. You'd need a perk bonus modifier of 5 just to get a single perk out of killing a Ta 152H.

That being said, my maximum perk run in the B-29 was this one:

08-23-13
map: compello
target faction: Bishops
type: strat attack
takeoff time 11:11 CEST
fuel 75%, bombs 8x2k
bombing altitude 27.5
total flight time 1:43
destruction: 26xaaf, 24xamf, 18xbaf, 31xrdf, 2xgng
perks earned: 18.4
landed damage displayed: 23,350
score points: 1,007,268
kills: none
deaths: none
uneventful flight, no interceptors


But overall, I had a net loss of more than 6000 perks flying B-29s since September 12  :ahand

Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 30, 2015, 06:36:36 AM
i've killed 3 in one sortie :lol

These days, it's a problem to find 4 B-29s during one sortie in the first place. Unlike 2 years ago, we lack a target that really attracts B-29 missions of several formations.

I earned the "4 in one sortie" twice, and each time it was against escorted B-29 raids of several formations (more than 5 in both cases) with escorts.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: bozon on March 30, 2015, 10:22:21 AM
Makes me wonder how many players got the "Tadao Sumi" achievement - kill 4 B-29 in one sortie....  :headscratch:
A real Jap dude killed 4 b29s in one sortie? That is impressive. What was he flying?
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: glzsqd on March 30, 2015, 10:39:30 AM
A real Jap dude killed 4 b29s in one sortie? That is impressive. What was he flying?

Probably the KI-61, possibly the Ki-100
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: hgtonyvi on March 30, 2015, 10:45:34 AM
I once saw a set of b29's low on the deck trying to rtb. I was in my Chog and dove on them. I did got 2 of them but they ate up most of my ammo. Even town building don't take much 20mm to kill it. Thos b29's sure are tough. Not sure if thats just in the game or if they really were in real life. SO imagine someone being at 35K trying to catch one and finally comes close....they either run out of ammo or end up dying by the tail guns.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Wiley on March 30, 2015, 10:57:35 AM
I once saw a set of b29's low on the deck trying to rtb. I was in my Chog and dove on them. I did got 2 of them but they ate up most of my ammo. Even town building don't take much 20mm to kill it. Thos b29's sure are tough. Not sure if thats just in the game or if they really were in real life. SO imagine someone being at 35K trying to catch one and finally comes close....they either run out of ammo or end up dying by the tail guns.

I'm a fan of hitting them on the wingtips.  They seem to be one of the softer spots.  I'm sure Lusche will chime in with the optimum location.  The fuselage is RIGHT OUT in my opinion though.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: glzsqd on March 30, 2015, 11:02:01 AM
Number Four engine seems to catch fire alot.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 30, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
I'm a fan of hitting them on the wingtips.  They seem to be one of the softer spots.  I'm sure Lusche will chime in with the optimum location.  The fuselage is RIGHT OUT in my opinion though.


It basically as with other bombers: Avoid the fuselage. and don't spread your rounds all over the wings. Bets bet is the cocpit (insta tower), the wingtips (difficult target) or the fuel tanks located behind the engines (there are only fuel tank fires in AH, no engine fires)

Of course, with the 29's high speed and (usually) astronautic flight level,  and huge size thats easier said then done. All that makes even experienced buff hunters easily misjudge the approach (and open fire from too far away).
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: caldera on March 30, 2015, 12:29:06 PM

It basically as with other bombers: Avoid the fuselage. and don't spread your rounds all over the wings. Bets bet is the cocpit (insta tower), the wingtips (difficult target) or the fuel tanks located behind the engines (there are only fuel tank fires in AH, no engine fires)

Of course, with the 29's high speed and (usually) astronautic flight level,  and huge size thats easier said then done. All that makes even experienced buff hunters easily misjudge the approach (and open fire from too far away).

An even better best bet is to hit the cockpit and then rake the entire fuselage just for the Hell of it.  :devil

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/AH%20screenshots/262-1.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/AH%20screenshots/262-1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: glzsqd on March 30, 2015, 12:33:06 PM
An even better best bet is to hit the cockpit and then rake the entire fuselage just for the Hell of it.  :devil

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/AH%20screenshots/262-1.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/AH%20screenshots/262-1.jpg.html)

I think the tail gunner spilled his cherry pie collection all over the wind screen :(
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Tumor on March 30, 2015, 12:33:37 PM
You took the best armed and one of the fastest bombers, moved it up to an altitude that effectively removes it from gameplay. And from this maximum safety you simply dropped 10 tons of bombs on objects.


Or... "you took the best armed and one of the fastest bombers, moved it to an altitude that effectively reduces the chances of drawing every drooling, chest-thumping, forgot-it's-a-wargame" fighter driver for 200miles from descending on you like flies on poop...."

Because, ya know... they're cheap and getting shot up by cannon sporting fighters doing everything possible to deny your gunner a shot is all like, fun!

:)

Tumor
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: pembquist on March 30, 2015, 12:34:38 PM
Look at it this way: when you take off you've spent the perks, you don't have them anymore, so just by landing you earn 100 pts, its a perk farming machine! Just do touch and goes, you'll earn thousands of points, the problem is you'll also be spending thousands. There is a lesson in this somewhere.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Wiley on March 30, 2015, 12:38:21 PM
Re: Caldera- I've done that kind of pass in a 110 with the big gun loadout, and had the B29 just smile at me and carry on his merry way.

I apparently missed the cockpit, but that still soured me on that attack profile.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 30, 2015, 12:45:32 PM
Or... "you took the best armed and one of the fastest bombers, moved it to an altitude that effectively reduces the chances of drawing every drooling, chest-thumping, forgot-it's-a-wargame" fighter driver for 200miles from descending on you like flies on poop...."

Even when flying 6k lower, you will rarely get "swarmed" at all.


Because, ya know... they're cheap and getting shot up by cannon sporting fighters doing everything possible to deny your gunner a shot is all like, fun!


There's a reason I don't fly my 29's at 33k... And the number of fighter pilots ingame which actually try to stay out of your tail gun's arc of fire is almost negligible  ;)
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: caldera on March 30, 2015, 12:54:50 PM
Re: Caldera- I've done that kind of pass in a 110 with the big gun loadout, and had the B29 just smile at me and carry on his merry way.

I apparently missed the cockpit, but that still soured me on that attack profile.

Wiley.

That's kind of surprising that the fuselage tanks didn't light up under that barrage.  :headscratch:

On a related note, I wish the B-24 didn't light up as easily as a G4M1. 
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Tumor on March 30, 2015, 01:43:48 PM
Even when flying 6k lower, you will rarely get "swarmed" at all.

Come on....

 The purpose of bombers is not now nor has it ever been to engage fighters. Yes yes of course, there's always someone(s) who's going to do their own thing.  However, having 0 regard for the sim aspect of AH is no excuse to claim bombers using bomber tactics is somehow not acceptable (or... removed from game play).  I don't up bombers to get in a fight, draw fighters for fun, or test my skillz.  I employ bombers to do bomber stuff, which is to bomb things... hence the descriptive name "bomber".  Doing what I can do to reduce the risk of fighters tearing up my bombers is common sense.  I don't understand why that's a difficult concept, OTHER than looking from the view of not giving a toot about the strategic (war-game) aspect of AH.  This is why I also find it odd that hitting targets is worth garbage as perks go... effectively hitting targets SHOULD be where the perks are, for bombers.

Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Wiley on March 30, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
That's kind of surprising that the fuselage tanks didn't light up under that barrage.  :headscratch:

On a related note, I wish the B-24 didn't light up as easily as a G4M1.

Yeah, I had the whole  :huh look on my face too when it happened.

Maybe I only hit it with 20mms.  I don't know.  Most other bombers I've had a fair bit of success hitting them like that, particularly with heavy gun packages.  Maybe it just wasn't my day on the 29s.

Still, I think all it boils down to is hitting the wings should be considered more important than on the other buff types.  :salute

Wiley.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 30, 2015, 02:03:03 PM
Come on....

 The purpose of bombers is not now nor has it ever been to engage fighters. Yes yes of course, there's always someone(s) who's going to do their own thing.  However, having 0 regard for the sim aspect of AH is no excuse to claim bombers using bomber tactics is somehow not acceptable (or... removed from game play).  I don't up bombers to get in a fight, draw fighters for fun, or test my skillz.  I employ bombers to do bomber stuff, which is to bomb things... hence the descriptive name "bomber".  Doing what I can do to reduce the risk of fighters tearing up my bombers is common sense.  I don't understand why that's a difficult concept, OTHER than looking from the view of not giving a toot about the strategic (war-game) aspect of AH.  This is why I also find it odd that hitting targets is worth garbage as perks go... effectively hitting targets SHOULD be where the perks are, for bombers.

First of all, hitting targets IS where the perks are for bombers. Of course, just like with fighters, some bombers get more perks for that than others. So the B-29 is just a bad bomber to generate perks, same as the Me 262 to the Tempest are bad choices to generate perks when flying fighters. It's the price you pay for flying a monster.
Besides, bomber perks are the most easy ones to gain in AH.

Second, don't try to make it look like I did say someone shouldn't fly the bombers like he wants or even "play my way". I just commented that flying B-29s at 33 k is "effectively removing you from gameplay", which it actually is. At 33k in such a fast plane you hardly ever run into any opposition at all. More security can only be found in tower or offline or by doing resupply runs to your strats.

I am kind of a 'safety flyer' myself, I tend to be very careful when selecting routes and altitudes when flying bombers. I'm not a 999000 screaming "COME AT ME" when flying over an busy hostile base at 8k.
But I found that flying at 33k in a B-29 is quite unnecessary, given all the firepower and speed. Yes, there's a slightly increased chance someone will fire at me when flying at 27k, but that's been countered by a an increased chance of having fun for both (until one goes down.)
And I'm not too sure if it's all that good for the game when during off hours, when there are only few people on, the only hostile con in the area is flying at 33,000 feet...


And, as I'm often falsely depicted as being exclusively a "bomber killer looking for weak prey", just for the record: While I do have 310 kills of the B-29, I have also almost the same amount, 293 kills, in the B-29...
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: bozon on March 30, 2015, 02:24:22 PM
Come on....

 The purpose of bombers is not now nor has it ever been to engage fighters. Yes yes of course, there's always someone(s) who's going to do their own thing.  However, having 0 regard for the sim aspect of AH is no excuse to claim bombers using bomber tactics is somehow not acceptable (or... removed from game play).  I don't up bombers to get in a fight, draw fighters for fun, or test my skillz.  I employ bombers to do bomber stuff, which is to bomb things... hence the descriptive name "bomber".  Doing what I can do to reduce the risk of fighters tearing up my bombers is common sense.  I don't understand why that's a difficult concept, OTHER than looking from the view of not giving a toot about the strategic (war-game) aspect of AH.  This is why I also find it odd that hitting targets is worth garbage as perks go... effectively hitting targets SHOULD be where the perks are, for bombers.

If only the B29 could miss with the bombs from 33k. As it is now, the higher the bomber the better it is for him - more safety without sacrificing accuracy. It should have been that altitude provided safety, but you'll have to carpet-bomb the target to ensure a hit.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: palef on March 30, 2015, 02:56:50 PM
Re: Caldera- I've done that kind of pass in a 110 with the big gun loadout, and had the B29 just smile at me and carry on his merry way.

I apparently missed the cockpit, but that still soured me on that attack profile.

Wiley.

I've done the same, but reviewing the film revealed that I only hit with 7.92 rounds. Cannon rounds passed below and above the fuselage as I "raked" it. I then couldn't catch the bloody thing.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 30, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
You have to go for the soft, white underbelly...

(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/monster%20from%20below_zpstciuxhgr.jpg)


 :devil
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Vinkman on March 30, 2015, 03:43:09 PM
It's difficult, but they aren't unkillable  :devil

And all of the mentioned planes are able to catch up and get into an attack position, but you need time, patience and skillful high alt flying for that.

Only if the B-29 keeps flying in a straight line. If you try to climb over 30K in a fighter (just about any fighter) It takes forever to climb in front with enough alt to make a 'somewhat safe' attack. If the buff turns away from you, there isn't much you can do to get back into position. By the way B-17s will get to 34-35K in game. It's very  very difficult to get in a good position. I have yet to catch a B-29 at that alt. They are simply too fast.

Now if I got hig enogh in front of him and made a frontal attack, You could get one. I had one shot like that on Havermayer once when he was at 35K, I was in a K4. I hit him with a few rounds without knocking him down and I ended up colliding and breaking a wing off. Took forever to get up to him too as I watched his dar bar move across the map on a strat run on a sunday moring when there was not a lot of people on. 

I agree with Snailman, a 30K plus buff is almost untouchable.  :salute
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Vinkman on March 30, 2015, 03:48:38 PM
These days, it's a problem to find 4 B-29s during one sortie in the first place. Unlike 2 years ago, we lack a target that really attracts B-29 missions of several formations.

I earned the "4 in one sortie" twice, and each time it was against escorted B-29 raids of several formations (more than 5 in both cases) with escorts.

I think when they first entered the game I killed 2 of Snailman's when I was in a 109-K4. BUT that was before they fixed the fire damage model. I remember they burned quite easily. Also Snail, you were at a more reachable 20K. I also think you shot me down.  :salute

those may have been the last B-29s I killed.

I did kill 3 234s in a sortie once when I found the formation while flying a 262.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: palef on March 30, 2015, 05:34:16 PM
You have to go for the soft, white underbelly...

 :devil

Fair point, well made.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: scott66 on March 30, 2015, 07:40:58 PM
hmmmmm makes me want to up a set of 29s and check it out tonight since I never used my bomber perks before.except one time I upped a set of 234s didnt work out so well. .don't want to talk about it lol
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: lyric1 on March 30, 2015, 08:05:13 PM
I know the perk modifier and  ENY,OBJ are used to calculate perk points.
But I had to laugh!

I took a single B29 (90 perks) up to 33.5k loaded with 40 x 500lbs
A long, long climb. 
Ozkansas map. Took off NE Base 183 6k.  Heading North for a while then turning south for a while till I got to 30k.
I made up the remaining 3.3k on way to Rook City which was @ 100%
Dropped 18 blocks, saved 4 eggs for trip home.
Hit 2 town centres with a 500lb (approx 15 buildings each drop) and landed with 2 eggs still on board.

I don't know how long the flight was but I had full tank when I upped and 1/8th of tank of fuel left on landing.

1.5 perks

I probably won't fly B29 again.   Easier to take B17's and spend the perks on a 234


18 minutes work.  :D

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss233_zpsbo2uobbs.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/ahss233_zpsbo2uobbs.png.html)
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Tumor on March 30, 2015, 08:21:02 PM
First of all, hitting targets IS where the perks are for bombers. Of course, just like with fighters, some bombers get more perks for that than others. So the B-29 is just a bad bomber to generate perks, same as the Me 262 to the Tempest are bad choices to generate perks when flying fighters. It's the price you pay for flying a monster.
Besides, bomber perks are the most easy ones to gain in AH.

I'm not arguing that, but getting a kill or two of other aircraft results in a significant increase in perks, where hitting pages of targets results in very little.  This IMO is why we have people using bombers to troll for fighters.

Quote from: Lusche
Second, don't try to make it look like I did say someone shouldn't fly the bombers like he wants or even "play my way". I just commented that flying B-29s at 33 k is "effectively removing you from gameplay", which it actually is. At 33k in such a fast plane you hardly ever run into any opposition at all. More security can only be found in tower or offline or by doing resupply runs to your strats.

I guess I misunderstood.  Regardless, I don't believe it's a removal from game play... it does however increase the challenge.  Patience pays off in this.

Quote from: Lusche
I am kind of a 'safety flyer' myself, I tend to be very careful when selecting routes and altitudes when flying bombers. I'm not a 999000 screaming "COME AT ME" when flying over an busy hostile base at 8k.
But I found that flying at 33k in a B-29 is quite unnecessary, given all the firepower and speed. Yes, there's a slightly increased chance someone will fire at me when flying at 27k, but that's been countered by a an increased chance of having fun for both (until one goes down.)
And I'm not too sure if it's all that good for the game when during off hours, when there are only few people on, the only hostile con in the area is flying at 33,000 feet...

I would say it's fine for the game... the alternative would be a very slippery slope.


And, as I'm often falsely depicted as being exclusively a "bomber killer looking for weak prey", just for the record: While I do have 310 kills of the B-29, I have also almost the same amount, 293 kills, in the B-29...
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Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: scott66 on March 30, 2015, 08:25:44 PM

18 minutes work.  :D

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss233_zpsbo2uobbs.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/ahss233_zpsbo2uobbs.png.html)
35k gv perks Damm bud glad you're a bish :rofl
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: caldera on March 30, 2015, 08:31:02 PM

18 minutes work.  :D


Nice!  :aok

Had a similar run a long time ago.  Bombed three towns in a Betty and landed this:

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/megaperks.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/megaperks.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Lusche on March 30, 2015, 08:42:54 PM
I'm not arguing that, but getting a kill or two of other aircraft results in a significant increase in perks, where hitting pages of targets results in very little. 

Not really. The B-29 has ENY and OBJ 2.. but it can kill loads of objects, while it's rare to kill more than 2 or three planes... which usually add only about 0.3-1 perks before modifiers - not each, but total.
If you are bombing towns or factories, you will always gain much more from that (though still very little compared to other bombers).

See the example I gave above, my best B-29 sortie in terms of perks. Even if we assume it had been made at perk multiplier 3.0, killing a Ta 152 would have given me only 0.75 additional perk points. Compare that to the 18.4 I got from bombing... and I possible could have gotten more perks by milking townsinstead of attacking factories.

Only when the ENY of the bomber is getting significantly above the OBJ rating or if the payload is small, the killing of fighters compares more favourably to the mass destruction of objects.
See the B-17, ENY 20 (so 10 times perk gain by killing fighters) and OBJ 12 (but much less payload)

It's all in the numbers  :old:

Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: lyric1 on March 30, 2015, 09:54:22 PM
Nice!  :aok

Had a similar run a long time ago.  Bombed three towns in a Betty and landed this:

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/megaperks.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/megaperks.jpg.html)

 :aok
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Petrol on March 31, 2015, 10:38:29 AM
In my post I did not say that I was perk farming.  Just that I was surprised that
18 city blocks and 30 odd town buildings = 1.5 perks.

How I got to the targets and back is immaterial.  33.5k or at 200ft makes no impact on the perk reward.
I have 3 B29 sorties. All in single, no formations.  No experience of killing one, or defending one.

I used the B29 on this occasion to damage the enemy city.  Ack there is effective to 40k no?
No city defenders is something outside of my control.  I can only do my part to put max damage on the enemy
with tool I have, without getting shot down.
I never bail without good reason and try and add a little realism by completing my own mission.
Perhaps I should have been a little more charitable and flown at the afore mentioned  27k

The removed from gameplay bit is a little absurd to me, for I think I flew it to it's capabilities and affected the
game for my own country benefit. 

But I found that flying at 33k in a B-29 is quite unnecessary, given all the firepower and speed. Yes, there's a slightly increased chance someone will fire at me when flying at 27k, but that's been countered by a an increased chance of having fun for both (until one goes down.)
And I'm not too sure if it's all that good for the game when during off hours, when there are only few people on, the only hostile con in the area is flying at 33,000 feet...


I am in UK.  Should I stay up 'till early hours to help enhance gameplay?

Anyhow.  All this is bumph about how I got there and back is not my point.  Just the reward of 1.5 perks.

Getting to an enemy city is like sticking a knife in the enemy heart.
Title: Re: Perk rewards effort.
Post by: Scca on April 02, 2015, 12:55:48 PM
In my post I did not say that I was perk farming.  Just that I was surprised that
18 city blocks and 30 odd town buildings = 1.5 perks.

How I got to the targets and back is immaterial.  33.5k or at 200ft makes no impact on the perk reward.
I have 3 B29 sorties. All in single, no formations.  No experience of killing one, or defending one.

I used the B29 on this occasion to damage the enemy city.  Ack there is effective to 40k no?
No city defenders is something outside of my control.  I can only do my part to put max damage on the enemy
with tool I have, without getting shot down.
I never bail without good reason and try and add a little realism by completing my own mission.
Perhaps I should have been a little more charitable and flown at the afore mentioned  27k

The removed from gameplay bit is a little absurd to me, for I think I flew it to it's capabilities and affected the
game for my own country benefit. 

 

I am in UK.  Should I stay up 'till early hours to help enhance gameplay?

Anyhow.  All this is bumph about how I got there and back is not my point.  Just the reward of 1.5 perks.

Getting to an enemy city is like sticking a knife in the enemy heart.
Bolded part.  That is your reward for taking the uber B-29.  If perks are what you want, grab a Boston or some other high eny plane. 

The entire reason for ENY based perk bonus is the very reason you are complaining about.  If you want perks, fly crap planes.  If you want to easily inflict damage, fly low eny planes.   :headscratch: