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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wizz on June 27, 2015, 12:53:27 AM
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Move around! Dont make an easy target. Throw it into auto climb if someone attacks from the 12-3-9 o clock positions. Turn into your attackers, drop alt and gain speed if they come up your 6. learn to hit your target when your buffs are bouncing around! Dont give up easy kills make it difficult on your attacker.
Believe me it works :aok
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Move around! Dont make an easy target. Throw it into auto climb if someone attacks from the 12-3-9 o clock positions. Turn into your attackers, drop alt and gain speed if they come up your 6. learn to hit your target when your buffs are bouncing around! Dont give up easy kills make it difficult on your attacker.
Believe me it works :aok
If your buffs start moving and I'm in a 152 in position to strike....your only chance of survival is a lucky ping. Honestly it's the buff pilot who is level and starts shooting at 1K who does the best vs me attacking buffs.
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Bombers that break out of level flight to evade make easy kills...
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Move around! Dont make an easy target. Throw it into auto climb if someone attacks from the 12-3-9 o clock positions. Turn into your attackers, drop alt and gain speed if they come up your 6. learn to hit your target when your buffs are bouncing around! Dont give up easy kills make it difficult on your attacker.
Believe me it works :aok
They need to be level and flying at a constant speed if we're about to drop - otherwise we lose calibration! As for coming up on my 6 - they would be the easy kill for me! And if they come from other directions, I have a good choice of guns in my B17s. Though I must admit I used to enjoy gunning for pilots who did turn-fight their bombers and listen to the whining after we shot someone down. :old: ;)
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Bombers that break out of level flight to evade make easy kills...
wrong !!! i avoid slashing attacks in lancs often by breaking at the last moment,it works quite well to make them loose E and force them to crawl up the 6 for a tail gun shot.
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If your buffs start moving and I'm in a 152 in position to strike....your only chance of survival is a lucky ping. Honestly it's the buff pilot who is level and starts shooting at 1K who does the best vs me attacking buffs.
Great response JunkyII its that confidence that leads to exactly what you described. That confidence comes from hundreds if not thousands of reps over the years.
But....
You will find most players do not know how to shoot at a target while bouncing around. I have this system of evasion that works like a charm. Its not 100% but it works very well.
The reason I can buy your statement is if any interceptor takes the time to get into proper attacking position the only defense a buff has are the guns. Depending on the angle of attack and rate of closing speed even the guns can be neutralized.
So ill give it to you Junky you and a handful of others may be the exception. Yet you can counter in slashing attack. My weakness is a slash attack from high 3 or 9 o clock at very high speed. To counter if i set auto-climb to a low speed(115-120) and throw it into auto-climb when you begin your run, hop into the top turret and turn into the attack I increase the closing speed and take away the angle while still giving myself a firing solution and it works. A lot of times I end up ramming the nme con with this move. Thats just one example. Doesnt work everytime but it does work even against the best.
My point is I want to take away the advantage gained by the angle of attack and closing speed. When you set up for a good position your attack run is still point A to point B. If I disrupt this line my chances of survival increase greatly. It still will come down to the ability of the buff pilot to hit the nme with his guns and thats a whole other subject! :salute
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They need to be level and flying at a constant speed if we're about to drop - otherwise we lose calibration! As for coming up on my 6 - they would be the easy kill for me! And if they come from other directions, I have a good choice of guns in my B17s. Though I must admit I used to enjoy gunning for pilots who did turn-fight their bombers and listen to the whining after we shot someone down. :old: ;)
Correct! and in those critical moments before a drop thats when a buff is most vulnerable. I taught myself how to steady my plane coming out of turns, climbs, and dives as quickly as possible. Its all about throttle control.
It is very possible to evade a target by breaking and still calibrate close enough to make a good drop.
Just because calibration might not be perfect means nothing. If your over speed and/or alt drop early depending on by how much and vice versa if your slow. Its taken thousand of reps to master but it is possible.
I need 3-4 seconds of calibration once my plane is level and steady. Like i said before its all about throttle control.
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Great response JunkyII its that confidence that leads to exactly what you described. That confidence comes from hundreds if not thousands of reps over the years.
But....
You will find most players do not know how to shoot at a target while bouncing around. I have this system of evasion that works like a charm. Its not 100% but it works very well.
The reason I can buy your statement is if any interceptor takes the time to get into proper attacking position the only defense a buff has are the guns. Depending on the angle of attack and rate of closing speed even the guns can be neutralized.
So ill give it to you Junky you and a handful of others may be the exception. Yet you can counter in slashing attack. My weakness is a slash attack from high 3 or 9 o clock at very high speed. To counter if i set auto-climb to a low speed(115-120) and throw it into auto-climb when you begin your run, hop into the top turret and turn into the attack I increase the closing speed and take away the angle while still giving myself a firing solution and it works. A lot of times I end up ramming the nme con with this move. Thats just one example. Doesnt work everytime but it does work even against the best.
My point is I want to take away the advantage gained by the angle of attack and closing speed. When you set up for a good position your attack run is still point A to point B. If I disrupt this line my chances of survival increase greatly. It still will come down to the ability of the buff pilot to hit the nme with his guns and thats a whole other subject! :salute
The reason I find it easier to kill "bouncing buffs" is because your drones separate from the main bird.
In the Infantry we call the area an automatic weapon sprays out a cone of fire, if your planes are together in level flight...your cone is smaller but has a higher amount of lead in it. If your moving and your buffs are separating then your cone is larger and less deadly....
If you ever know your about to be attacked by me in your buffs, just know I'm going after the plane that is the most spread out, maybe you can jump to that plane and fair better.
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The reason I find it easier to kill "bouncing buffs" is because your drones separate from the main bird.
In the Infantry we call the area an automatic weapon sprays out a cone of fire, if your planes are together in level flight...your cone is smaller but has a higher amount of lead in it. If your moving and your buffs are separating then your cone is larger and less deadly....
If you ever know your about to be attacked by me in your buffs, just know I'm going after the plane that is the most spread out, maybe you can jump to that plane and fair better.
Your right! There is no defending the drones in this move. If you jump into a drone you have no control over of its movements. Your having to adjust the whole time and your lucky to smack the nme hard enough to stop the attack. I have to rely on the main plane's line of fire and will loose both drones if i cant shoot you down first.
Your making me itch Junky lol makes me look forward to meeting you in game in this scenario!
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Hitting auto climb, and pulling some slight rudder at the last second has saved me sooo many formations. As soon as the climb speed is reached, type .speed 300 and the bomber will nose down, then type .speed 200 and back up the nose go's.
All while spitting hot lead at a would be attacker who thinks flying level makes you a harder target. :rofl
Effin' comedy.
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Hitting auto climb, and pulling some slight rudder at the last second has saved me sooo many formations. As soon as the climb speed is reached, type .speed 300 and the bomber will nose down, then type .speed 200 and back up the nose go's.
All while spitting hot lead at a would be attacker who thinks flying level makes you a harder target. :rofl
Effin' comedy.
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Though I must admit I used to enjoy gunning for pilots who did turn-fight their bombers and listen to the whining after we shot someone down. :old: ;)
I wish it would be coaded like AirWarrior was where you could put a player behind every gun, dog fighting Deathstars were a blast
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I HATE BOMBERS! Lol only one Time was I able to attack a set of b17s and kill all 3 with my 152 and able land them..a bomber pilot that jockeys his set and won't let me attack from the front or side will make me impatient and force me to saddle up on their 6 and at 1.5 out a short burst from then takes my rt wing off and gives me a pw 100% of the Time..the last Time I was co alt at 30k ..That's a long fall.Damn you shakesspr lol <S>
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As a bomber, turn a bit and jump into another bomber in the formation, volá drones collide with the attacker, or warp up to 1000 yards to keep formation, repeat as necessary.
Impossible to hit the bomber except the one with the pilot in it.
This should be resulting in drones lost,but it's not enforced unfortunately.
Some players use this as a easy way of getting out of trouble.
Some bombers seems allow more turning without losing drones than others.
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Anyone ever use a snap roll in buffs? Any buff including 29's with or without ords can do it. you wont loose your drones at all and it really throws off the attacker. Buffs roll as good as a 190! Thatz my last ditch effort after i loose my first drone.
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Anyone ever use a snap roll in buffs? Any buff including 29's with or without ords can do it. you wont loose your drones at all and it really throws off the attacker. Buffs roll as good as a 190! Thatz my last ditch effort after i loose my first drone.
think im joking??? :joystick:
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The reason I find it easier to kill "bouncing buffs" is because your drones separate from the main bird.
In the Infantry we call the area an automatic weapon sprays out a cone of fire, if your planes are together in level flight...your cone is smaller but has a higher amount of lead in it. If your moving and your buffs are separating then your cone is larger and less deadly....
If you ever know your about to be attacked by me in your buffs, just know I'm going after the plane that is the most spread out, maybe you can jump to that plane and fair better.
Not only this but I find it easier to place myself into a position where there is reduced gunfire directed at me because 1 or more of the formation is in the way and blocking the LOS of the remaining especially when attacking from the 8:00-4:00 positions
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I wish it would be coaded like AirWarrior was where you could put a player behind every gun, dog fighting Deathstars were a blast
That was fun. Along with dropping bombs on your opponent if you got over them
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If a bomber maneuvers in the horizontal, he invites an attack on the drones. The place to do horizontal maneuvering is before the fighter begins its attack and is trying to position. If the fighter tries to over take the bomber on its side (and have to keep 1000+ yards because gunners can shoot through 300 mph cross wind without difficulty), then the bomber can initiate a slow turn and place the fighter back on its 6.
The best defense maneuver for bombers is to shallow dive to 400+ mph. Fighters will have a real problem to position for an attack from the front quadrant and it makes things difficult even to attack from above since many fighters will not like being at 500 mph in a steep dive, and those that do will lose a lot of energy after this attack run. The result is much lower relative speeds of the fighters and much less accurate maneuvering on their part. Waist gunners have no problem standing in front of an open window, light breeze blowing in at 400 mph, and shoot through the cross wind. Wingmen have no problem keeping formation in such a dive, so you defend your drones and use their combined firepower.
Combine this dive with slow turning and you can pretty much force the fighter to your rear quadrant as long as you have altitude, which if you started from 15k will last for about 4-5 minutes during which you cover about 30 miles - enough to make him give up, tackle friendly fighters, or get frustrated and try something reckless.
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The best defense maneuver for bombers is to shallow dive to 400+ mph. Fighters will have a real problem to position for an attack from the front quadrant and it makes things difficult even to attack from above since many fighters will not like being at 500 mph in a steep dive, and those that do will lose a lot of energy after this attack run.
Combine this dive with slow turning and you can pretty much force the fighter to your rear quadrant as long as you have altitude, which if you started from 15k will last for about 4-5 minutes during which you cover about 30 miles - enough to make him give up, tackle friendly fighters, or get frustrated and try something reckless.
+1 on this buff drivers. This works particularly well when facing a fighter that is trying to climb right over you before he attacks. I find that a shallow dive coupled with a slight turn or two gets the fighter jock watching you instead of his instruments when he dives in - often he won't realize how fast you are going (or how fast he is going as he passes). They often end up in your rear quadrant and have to chase after the first pass. I also find that a lot of the guys that want to stay up high and pick get a little less than enthusiastic about pursuing you right down to the deck if you are anywhere near friendly fighter cover.
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I love it when a bomber goes on a climb while I am diving down. it shows more of its wing for my bullets.
semp
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+1 on this buff drivers. This works particularly well when facing a fighter that is trying to climb right over you before he attacks. I find that a shallow dive coupled with a slight turn or two gets the fighter jock watching you instead of his instruments when he dives in - often he won't realize how fast you are going (or how fast he is going as he passes). They often end up in your rear quadrant and have to chase after the first pass. I also find that a lot of the guys that want to stay up high and pick get a little less than enthusiastic about pursuing you right down to the deck if you are anywhere near friendly fighter cover.
I agree. Get someone above you in the 5,6,7 o clock position nose down and gain speed. Slows the closing rate down dramatically allowing for more time to fire your guns. Last few months i started using shift x vs auto-climb for this move. Allows me to keep my auto climb speed low and just seemed to work better for me.
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stay level to give yourself the best firing solution. I'm all for diving or pulling up to throw them off but it will throw you off too.
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stay level to give yourself the best firing solution. I'm all for diving or pulling up to throw them off but it will throw you off too.
Ill use a good example of how staying level might get you killed against a good player.
I go in too low at a base and run into bul1dog2. He uses this high angle attack from 12 oclock and comes at you inverted.
Snap rolled my lancs on his first pass and made him miss. His angle of attack is hard to defend in the guns level. You stay level against him you die. In the end he cleaned me up but it took him 6 passes to do it. Had I climbed more I would have stood a much better chance than at 8k. Had I stayed level it would have been 3 quick passes.
When someones is coming in on your 6 or climbing on his attack run absolutely stay level and light the nme up.
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Because it doesn't matter.. Buff's taste like chicken...
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think im joking??? :joystick:
:airplane: :airplane: I have been following your remarks on this subject every since you first posted them! I would guess that you are a IP, since you are giving out a lot of instructions and suggestions on how to defend the bombers when under attack!
I have a lot of "buff" time, as I have only one useable eye, right one, so I spend 95% of my time in the game in bombers. I realize this is just a "game" and you can do a lot of things in here with these a/c which you can't do in real life aircraft, but one thing which I think you are overlooking is how the speed of two objects, bomber and fighter, effect the firing solutions of a gunner. If the bomber "platform" is constant, i.e., straight and level or descending or climbing, he/she has a much better chance of killing the incoming fighter.
I pretty much keep my bombers straight and level because if the incoming fighter is between my 5 and 7 O'clock positions, I am going to kill him when he gets within a 1,000 behind me. Not bragging, just a fact! I do get shot down sometimes, but 95% of the time, I get at least one bomber home and 75% of the time, all three.
The most difficult incoming fighter to kill for me is the "over head", straight down pass at me! When I see that coming, yes, I then turn to avoid getting hit.
The post is interesting and informative for everyone I suppose.
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wrong !!! i avoid slashing attacks in lancs often by breaking at the last moment,it works quite well to make them loose E and force them to crawl up the 6 for a tail gun shot.
Why bother with Slashing attacks on Lancs ? I come up directly underneath. completely defenseless. Unless I miss, then they have a few seconds if they can get in the top turret quick enough.
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Lancasters can not be bombers, they out-turn my A8 with ease at all altitudes :bhead
They have a tasty undefended belly though.
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Lancasters can not be bombers, they out-turn my A8 with ease at all altitudes
Not news. Most planes outturn an A8.
- oldman