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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Brooke on September 24, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
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If you -- scenario players in general -- want scenarios to continue, we need your help filling them.
If you don't help recruit, and figure others will do it instead, we aren't going to have enough players to run scenarios.
Most players do not read the message board.
The only way we reach new players is by player-to-player communication in the melee arena.
My network of connections is about 30 people, of which about half play in any given scenario. But that's not enough to fill a whole scenario.
The October scenario is one week away from running. It has 9 players registered for axis and 18 for allies.
Can the scenario player base add to that? That's what we very much need.
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I wonder if we could talk HT into approving a number of incentive prizes to be awarded in this event. Nothing extravagant or expensive. Just perk points.
Example:
Highest scoring Allied fighter pilot: 500 fighter perk points
Highest scoring Axis fighter pilot: 500 fighter perk points
Highest scoring Allied bomber pilot: 500 bomber perk points
Highest scoring Axis bomber pilot: 500 bomber perk points
Granted, these awards might be won by pilots that have accrued tons of PP already and maybe that may not be the incentive we need.
A free month of AH each? That shouldn't be too much of a dent. A free month of AH should tempt a few to try their hand at being event top guns (or top bombs).
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Brooke, I wish I had the opportunity to join in on this upcoming event but real life is not cooperating with me for this one
Got my oldest daughter up from Florida to help me and got my Sister's middle daughter and her son (my niece and nephew) here helping me go through my parents house with all the things that they had accumulated over their 54+years of marriage before they passed away these past 2 years...
We've been working on this since last Friday and it doesn't even seem like we have put a dent in it...
Hope to maybe get a chance to be a walk-on in this one....will see how it goes
I'll try to see if I can get some people to respond, register and participate in the upcoming scenario
TC
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Brooke, I wish I had the opportunity to join in on this upcoming event but real life is not cooperating with me for this one
Got my oldest daughter up from Florida to help me and got my Sister's middle daughter and her son (my niece and nephew) here helping me go through my parents house with all the things that they had accumulated over their 54+years of marriage before they passed away these past 2 years...
We've been working on this since last Friday and it doesn't even seem like we have put a dent in it...
Hope to maybe get a chance to be a walk-on in this one....will see how it goes
I'll try to see if I can get some people to respond, register and participate in the upcoming scenario
TC
If you get the chance Johnny I hope to see you there!
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I wonder if we could talk HT into approving a number of incentive prizes to be awarded in this event. Nothing extravagant or expensive. Just perk points.
Example:
Highest scoring Allied fighter pilot: 500 fighter perk points
Highest scoring Axis fighter pilot: 500 fighter perk points
Highest scoring Allied bomber pilot: 500 bomber perk points
Highest scoring Axis bomber pilot: 500 bomber perk points
Granted, these awards might be won by pilots that have accrued tons of PP already and maybe that may not be the incentive we need.
A free month of AH each? That shouldn't be too much of a dent. A free month of AH should tempt a few to try their hand at being event top guns (or top bombs).
Sorry Arlo but imho... this game is dead sooner rather than later... dead
I have been on a break for a couple of months but when I do check in, the number of players
really do not look good and those that are on are way better than me... so I don't bother
:salute
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Sorry Arlo but imho... this game is dead sooner rather than later... dead
I have been on a break for a couple of months but when I do check in, the number of players
really do not look good and those that are on are way better than me... so I don't bother
:salute
you do know i play the game right? I'm like the worst player ever.
semp
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you do know i play the game right? I'm like the worst player ever.
semp
I can vouch for this person, :rock
I know as I am just the next rung up on the ladder.
:devil
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I can vouch for this person, :rock
I know as I am just the next rung up on the ladder.
:devil
How many lowest steps can this ladder have? There's got to be one for me.
I could say something about KOTH helping but I say that too much. It's true though.
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you do know i play the game right? I'm like the worst player ever.
semp
This is not true. I personally saw Semp single handedly take out 7 attacking fighters that jumped him while he was flying alone on the deck, trying to make it back to base on low fuel to land his 10 kills. He is a flying version of Bill Brasky.
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This is not true. I personally saw Semp single handedly take out 7 attacking fighters that jumped him while he was flying alone on the deck, trying to make it back to base on low fuel to land his 10 kills. He is a flying version of Bill Brasky.
i was afk and they all hit the trees. lol
semp
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Sorry Arlo but imho... this game is dead sooner rather than later... dead
I have been on a break for a couple of months but when I do check in, the number of players
really do not look good and those that are on are way better than me... so I don't bother
:salute
The overall pilot numbers in the MA have pretty much stabilized over the past 12 months (with an actual upsurge during the first three months of Corona). Which is imho quite a thing after years of almost constant, steady decline.
The registration numbers for the upcoming scenario however are quite bad, not only in absolute but especially in relative numbers. Traditionally it had between 3.5 to 5.5 % (compared to # of known MA pilots), now it's below 3%.
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The overall pilot numbers in the MA have pretty much stabilized over the past 12 months (with an actual upsurge during the first three months of Corona). Which is imho quite a thing after years of almost constant, steady decline.
The registration numbers for the upcoming scenario however are quite bad, not only in absolute but especially in relative numbers. Traditionally it had between 3.5 to 5.5 % (compared to # of known MA pilots), now it's below 3%.
IMHO this is not a scenario that appeals to most who fly in AH. We have very few russians.
While overall scenario participation is down, I did not expect this one to be much of a draw. Again.... just my two cents.
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The Russian side has more players than the Finns. But yeah, to draw pro-Axis participants there needs to be a trifecta advantage for the German rides.
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The Russian side has more players than the Finns. But yeah, to draw pro-Axis participants there needs to be a trifecta advantage for the German rides.
In that case.... the Finns are obviously running low on refreshments. We need to all pitch in and be sure their supply does not dwindle during the scenario.
We know the Finns are rabid when it comes to their yearly meeting. This year that was interrupted. This allows them to gather and be a force to recon with.
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IMHO this is not a scenario that appeals to most who fly in AH. We have very few russians.
While overall scenario participation is down, I did not expect this one to be much of a draw. Again.... just my two cents.
Well..... some of the best fights to be had are russians vs German planes. They are almost identical in flying styles.
There will be some great fights during this event. I do hope the #s pick up.
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The overall pilot numbers in the MA have pretty much stabilized over the past 12 months (with an actual upsurge during the first three months of Corona). Which is imho quite a thing after years of almost constant, steady decline.
Maybe over the last 12 months, but when I had come back 2 years ago, the MA was typically running ~185. I think COVID distorted the trendline temporarily. Not sure how long that effect will last. Even then, I don't think it is many virgin players. It's almost always recycled old players coming back to try and rekindle their experience from the heyday. On the good side, we have a lot of past players that could be temporarily re-monetized. On the bad side, I don't see many green shoots, not many signs of true growth. It's all about managing the decline at this point.
I'm not surprised at some point the decline stabilizes or shallows it slope noticeably. You are down to people who have a deep personal investment and identification with this game. Maybe some are only here for the friends they have here.
In the US there used to be a LOT of people who smoked cigarettes. Over time more and more of them quit or didn't take up the habit. But it wasn't a straight decline to zero. Eventually it evaporates down to a smaller population who are likely never going to quit smoking. The decline will stabilize when it hits that hardcore cohort. Health issues and the Grim Reaper become the major factors in reducing that population rather than choice.
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Maybe the plane set is not the problem.
Maybe the problem is more fundamental.
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i was invited to join the allies, looked at the numbers and joined the axis. i don't fly German planes, can't see out of them, can't fly them. and to be honest, i don't like the allied planes set up either.
but I'm willing to try and make a fool of myself. I will still have fun :cheers:.
semp
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i was invited to join the allies, looked at the numbers and joined the axis. i don't fly German planes, can't see out of them, can't fly them. and to be honest, i don't like the allied planes set up either.
but I'm willing to try and make a fool of myself. I will still have fun :cheers:.
semp
Sit on a phone book.
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If you -- scenario players in general -- want scenarios to continue, we need your help filling them.
If you don't help recruit, and figure others will do it instead, we aren't going to have enough players to run scenarios.
Most players do not read the message board.
The only way we reach new players is by player-to-player communication in the melee arena.
My network of connections is about 30 people, of which about half play in any given scenario. But that's not enough to fill a whole scenario.
The October scenario is one week away from running. It has 9 players registered for axis and 18 for allies.
Can the scenario player base add to that? That's what we very much need.
Might help if the scenario players weren't the most toxic group in the game. I quit doing scenarios years ago when I made time twice to fly as a walk-on, got there 90 minutes early and was ignored both times. Even PM'd the person running it (you), and was told to hold on. Stayed in scenario for 30 minutes after start, continued to PM. Ignored and then told "sorry you should have been here earlier". Screw your scenarios.
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Might help if the scenario players weren't the most toxic group in the game. I quit doing scenarios years ago when I made time twice to fly as a walk-on, got there 90 minutes early and was ignored both times. Even PM'd the person running it (you), and was told to hold on. Stayed in scenario for 30 minutes after start, continued to PM. Ignored and then told "sorry you should have been here earlier". Screw your scenarios.
I am a little bitter after a similar situation. I used to love them.
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Well, you should give them a try again.
Anything like that happening was a mistake by me then, not something on purpose.
And certainly not the fault of scenarios overall.
And certainly not the fault of all the other people who help make scenarios.
I want people to join us, to fly, and to have fun.
Be mad at me for my mistake, but don't deny yourself the fun you could have. :aok
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you know guys, it's forget and forgive. last scenario, i quit, got ho'd 3 or 4 times by every fw190 i saw. i got upset, was a 12 hour, didnt come back. now, I am flying fw190's not to ho, but because axis had less players. not everything goes perfect. once I got into a fight in fso or scenario, dont remember which, got into a fight with 3 or 4 players that were waiting for us to rtb low on fuel and ammo, I had gotten lost, i engaged all of them, smoked all of them in a ho, as that was all i could do, rest of pigs, landed successfully, I didnt get a kill as I got shot down, or crashed, dont really remember.
but a month or 2 ago, some guy started apologizing to me, he had switched to whatever country I was in. he said he gave me a hard time the night before. told him, you know I dont really remember, was late at night, few beers, forget about it.
you dont want to play in scenarios, that's cool, it's your choice, but dont blame what happened before. if I was to hold a grudge to anybody that did me wrong or whoever i did wrong, I would have quit in the first 3 months of ah back in 200k something.
so play or dont, your choice, whatever happened before cant say wont happened again. but if you play for fun, join or dont, but dont say, I hold a grudge. we way too old for that.
semp
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I wonder if we could talk HT into approving a number of incentive prizes to be awarded in this event. Nothing extravagant or expensive. Just perk points.
Example:
Highest scoring Allied fighter pilot: 500 fighter perk points
Highest scoring Axis fighter pilot: 500 fighter perk points
Highest scoring Allied bomber pilot: 500 bomber perk points
Highest scoring Axis bomber pilot: 500 bomber perk points
Granted, these awards might be won by pilots that have accrued tons of PP already and maybe that may not be the incentive we need.
A free month of AH each? That shouldn't be too much of a dent. A free month of AH should tempt a few to try their hand at being event top guns (or top bombs).
CHIT!!! I would be willing to go as far as,Updated System(new PC),own VR setup,Gift cards, ect ect! You have been here longer than I have, so leave the "would/how to" talk him into this, to make this real" in your hands!! :aok SERIOUS!! As in up to, $4 K These scenarios saved my life!!!!!!!!!!!! That is where I met ULTactus, ULdieter, ULSpeed ,ULWolf....... ULDutch,DaddyAce,Odee, and Brooke,Perdweeb ect ect. I realize that this sounds CHEESEY ...but FACT!Simply an investment towards my Future Game Fun! Done this "like" stuff more than a few times! I can give references!!! SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock Wont Name names...unless I need to :bolt:
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Well, you should give them a try again.
Anything like that happening was a mistake by me then, not something on purpose.
And certainly not the fault of scenarios overall.
And certainly not the fault of all the other people who help make scenarios.
I want people to join us, to fly, and to have fun.
Be mad at me for my mistake, but don't deny yourself the fun you could have. :aok
Once is a mistake. Twice is a pattern. Absolutely not. And yes I fully put the fault squarely in your lap.
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Once is a mistake. Twice is a pattern. Absolutely not. And yes I fully put the fault squarely in your lap.
Hey man crap happens. No need to take out personal bullcrap here. Bet you couldn't run a scenario, much less by yourself. These scenarios are some of the best parts of Aces High. Don't put down the whole concept just because you had a bad experience. Every scenario is different. Brooke does the best he can. Be more of squeaky wheel if he doesn't get back with you. These scenarios are great. Stop being so negative with your personal problems trying to bring it down.
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Hey man crap happens. No need to take out personal bullcrap here. Bet you couldn't run a scenario, much less by yourself. These scenarios are some of the best parts of Aces High. Don't put down the whole concept just because you had a bad experience. Every scenario is different. Brooke does the best he can. Be more of squeaky wheel if he doesn't get back with you. These scenarios are great. Stop being so negative with your personal problems trying to bring it down.
We will agree to disagree then sir. <S>
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Once is a mistake. Twice is a pattern. Absolutely not. And yes I fully put the fault squarely in your lap.
OK, but if you want to give it a go, I'll ask another CM to be walkon wrangler for our next scenario.
Or you can register and be guaranteed the spot you signed up for.
Let me know, and it will be done -- I'm happy to have someone else do it instead of me. :aok
I've assigned probably 100's of walkons over the many years I've been walkon wrangler. I'm certainly not perfect at it, but not because I'm trying to screw anyone. I want everyone to play and have fun.
My suggestion is don't let me be a barrier between you and fun. I'm just one guy. There are 50 other people involved in scenarios who didn't mess up anything. They probably want you to fly, too. :aok
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I am a little bitter after a similar situation. I used to love them.
I can third this. Its just honest feedback. I tried walking on as axis a few events back as a walkon, was ignored. Switched to allied and got hooked up with a p47 spot after basically begging.
A couple of events later, i was registered in a spit5 group, where only two of us managed to show up due to real life. We were basically left as a squadron of two for 2 or 3 runs, until i reached out for some guidance on objectives, etc..
These last couple of experiences i had would be a turnoff for just about anyone.
Not trying to take shots on anyone, just echoing what a few others have shared, in hopes to help.
Also for me personally, the longer events work better, rather than trying to commit to 50% of a months saturday afternoons.
Just some thoughts for you.
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OK, but if you want to give it a go, I'll ask another CM to be walkon wrangler for our next scenario.
Or you can register and be guaranteed the spot you signed up for.
Let me know, and it will be done -- I'm happy to have someone else do it instead of me. :aok
I've assigned probably 100's of walkons over the many years I've been walkon wrangler. I'm certainly not perfect at it, but not because I'm trying to screw anyone. I want everyone to play and have fun.
My suggestion is don't let me be a barrier between you and fun. I'm just one guy. There are 50 other people involved in scenarios who didn't mess up anything. They probably want you to fly, too. :aok
Thank you, but no.
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The registering suggestion was an awfully good one. You'd think someone who waited around as a walkon and apparently wanted to participate that badly would see it as a godsend. :salute :cheers: :old:
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I can third this. Its just honest feedback. I tried walking on as axis a few events back as a walkon, was ignored. Switched to allied and got hooked up with a p47 spot after basically begging.
Which event was this? Just curious as I have participated in the majority of recent Scenarios and always tried to pick up pilots who are either on Knights (in SEA) or are normally Axis players.
There have been multiple times where you've been AFK for what seems hours while in SEA, though.
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The Russian side has more players than the Finns. But yeah, to draw pro-Axis participants there needs to be a trifecta advantage for the German rides.
Sorry, I wish you had a clue.
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Arlo.
What's better? Signing up for a scenario and letting the team down because you can't make it... or being willing to participate but due to real life you can not fully commit and therefore feel it is better to leave the spot open for someone who may actually be able to fully commit to all the scheduled days...For me...it is more of an issue if you take a spot and then don't show...
I agree with Lazer ... the big one day event I found much better when I did scenarios ... I have only been a walk on for one and had no issue with getting a place...
I'm not sure how clear it is when you are a walkon and type in the buffer as such...there is so much chatter... your request could easily get missed... how to get around that ...I don't know... adding a walkon channel just seems like one more step too much..
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Which event was this? Just curious as I have participated in the majority of recent Scenarios and always tried to pick up pilots who are either on Knights (in SEA) or are normally Axis players.
There have been multiple times where you've been AFK for what seems hours while in SEA, though.
Yeah ill log in early to download a map sometimes, and having a young child can change plans sometimes.
The event I was ignored on axis, and negotiated a seat in allies was a fortress europe event.
The other event, where the asking to be involved in a the overall team objective, after the registered squad fell apart, was Dieppe. I also showed up an hour late for that, as the listed time was posted as eastern time, and I apparently cant read. :D
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For tft, you can show up whenever you like. For scenarios, need to show up at Show Up time.
Walkons get assigned to a side by a cm. Once assigned to a side though, is up to that side's players to get the walkon flying. It can get hectic for folks to be doing that while they are already playing and flying though.
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Sorry, I wish you had a clue.
If you feel personally offended, don't. It was a generalization. :D
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If you feel personally offended, don't. It was a generalization. :D
I'm not. There are very, very few points in the planeset timeline throughout the war where the Axis have an advantage in any regard. I would say past 1942 the Axis don't have any noticeable advantages in fighters or bombers (jets excluded). The Axis side (in both FSO and Scenarios) is pretty much always made up of the same pilots of a few dedicated Axis squads.
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I like the 190A more than Spit IX.
Once there are P-51's, though, makes it tough on 190A's.
Once we get into periods of 190D, though, then I like that a lot vs. most anything. Might be my pick for best scenario fighter. The 109K is very nice, too.
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There are very, very few points in the planeset timeline throughout the war where the Axis have an advantage in any regard. I would say past 1942 the Axis don't have any noticeable advantages in fighters or bombers (jets excluded). The Axis side (in both FSO and Scenarios) is pretty much always made up of the same pilots of a few dedicated Axis squads.
Here's to your perception and dedication. :cheers:
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Yeah ill log in early to download a map sometimes, and having a young child can change plans sometimes.
The event I was ignored on axis, and negotiated a seat in allies was a fortress europe event.
The other event, where the asking to be involved in a the overall team objective, after the registered squad fell apart, was Dieppe. I also showed up an hour late for that, as the listed time was posted as eastern time, and I apparently cant read. :D
Hey Lazer, I apologize for the confusion in the Dieppe scenario. It was my first time as CO and had planned my comms around having all the squad leads on discord. I missed that the Spit V squad had even been formed, I should have been on top of it. I brought you guys on my vox channel once I realized what was going on. It wasn't intentional leaving your squad out of the loop, just poor organization on my part. I hope my screw up didn't sour you on scenarios. :salute
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It didn't help that both Dan and myself had family that had to be taken to the hospital either. I was there for about 30 minutes before I got the call.
I got there early and was the only spit V pilot on. The scenario had not started yet.
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Hey Lazer, I apologize for the confusion in the Dieppe scenario. It was my first time as CO and had planned my comms around having all the squad leads on discord. I missed that the Spit V squad had even been formed, I should have been on top of it. I brought you guys on my vox channel once I realized what was going on. It wasn't intentional leaving your squad out of the loop, just poor organization on my part. I hope my screw up didn't sour you on scenarios. :salute
I guess my comments werent more for what a player sees when they go into there. You dont need to apologize, i had a blast and appreciate all of the hard work you scenario guys do. Like shuff said it probably didnt help our squad imploded.
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Maybe the plane set is not the problem.
Maybe the problem is more fundamental.
Like what?
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Like what?
There's nothing about that scenario that fixes anything that has been broken about most scenarios over the last 4 years. Just the same bad format with a new plane set. I've spent way too much time trying to tell the powers-that-be that these things were broken. My criticism is usually ignored, so I won't waste my time any more.
They think they've won because I don't try to fix their mistakes. But the events are crap, so they did not win.
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There's nothing about that scenario that fixes anything that has been broken about most scenarios over the last 4 years. Just the same bad format with a new plane set. I've spent way too much time trying to tell the powers-that-be that these things were broken. My criticism is usually ignored, so I won't waste my time any more.
They think they've won because I don't try to fix their mistakes. But the events are crap, so they did not win.
:ahand :aok
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There's nothing about that scenario that fixes anything that has been broken about most scenarios over the last 4 years. Just the same bad format with a new plane set. I've spent way too much time trying to tell the powers-that-be that these things were broken. My criticism is usually ignored, so I won't waste my time any more.
They think they've won because I don't try to fix their mistakes. But the events are crap, so they did not win.
Thanks. Was just curious on your take, but understand your not wanting to waste your time. :salute
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I think I most cases the maps should be smaller in scale with closer bases. Thats really my only gripe. No reason to fly 3 sectors back to a base to land.
Other than that, I hate this attempt here to crush special events for everyone because of personal problems.