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Title: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: Bino on May 26, 2015, 07:04:27 PM
The June setup is posted over on the AH Events site:

http://www.ahevents.org/fso-current-next-event.html (http://www.ahevents.org/fso-current-next-event.html)

Squad COs please update your side preference and commitment numbers as needed.  Thanks!   :salute

The June frames will be run per the Events calendar as follows:

June 05, 2015
June 12, 2015
June 19, 2015

Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: pops57 on May 26, 2015, 09:22:44 PM
Just wanted to say thanks Bino for running the B5n2 instead of the TBM. I know some will want to puke flying it as an allied bird but it is much closer to the devastator's performance numbers. Bold move--PROPS! :salute
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: Devil 505 on May 26, 2015, 10:06:09 PM
Just wanted to say thanks Bino for running the B5n2 instead of the TBM. I know some will want to puke flying it as an allied bird but it is much closer to the devastator's performance numbers. Bold move--PROPS! :salute

Indeed. I have been advocating this for the last few years. I cant wait to see how this pans out.

 :salute Bino.
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: puller on May 26, 2015, 10:54:57 PM
Banziiiiiii!!!!!!!

Anti-Horde updated  :salute
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: branch37 on May 27, 2015, 07:00:20 AM
Indeed. I have been advocating this for the last few years. I cant wait to see how this pans out.

 :salute Bino.

I seem to recall this being done before, but I could be wrong.  Just out of curiosity, this is not a whine about the setup in any way, what is the problem with the TBM?  I know it is a later war model than what was really there, but still, it's no match at all for a zero. 
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: pops57 on May 27, 2015, 07:46:10 AM
The TBM is so much faster/heavily armed/armored than the Devastator. The TBM/TBD numbers are worlds apart, self sealing tanks as opposed to none, armor as opposed to none, about 100mph dif. in speed capability, it goes on! The B5N2 is much closer to the Devastators numbers. Will be fun to be able to catch an allied torp. plane with out having to have a 5k advantage to do so. This has been hotly debated in the past! Salute to Bino for giving it a go! :salute
I seem to recall this being done before, but I could be wrong.  Just out of curiosity, this is not a whine about the setup in any way, what is the problem with the TBM?  I know it is a later war model than what was really there, but still, it's no match at all for a zero.
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: Nefarious on May 27, 2015, 07:52:36 AM
I cant wait to see how this pans out.

MAJOR ALLIED VICTORY

 ;) :D :P

 :cheers: Bino,  I too am interested to see how it performs.
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: nooby52 on May 27, 2015, 09:48:59 AM
N/M
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: Nefarious on May 27, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
What concerns me more is the limits on the fighters. After the min's (20 for the dive bombers and 20 for the torp planes)  and max's (50 for both fighters) are reached for both sides, the majority of the remaining alloted aircraft will go in dive bombers.

The Allies have the clear advantage with the faster,  tougher,  SBD.  (which mind you is a later war variant that did not see action at Coral Sea or Midway) .

IMO,  the fighter minimums should be removed. So more fighters can be used especially for the Axis.
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: branch37 on May 27, 2015, 01:11:16 PM
I was allied CiC last time this ran. I had to use SBDs in carrier defense.


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Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: SlipKnt on May 27, 2015, 01:52:43 PM
SBDs do well in the defensive role!!!

G3-MF updated! 

Stoked!!!  Love my blue planes!!!

 :rock
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: APDrone on May 27, 2015, 03:46:20 PM
A blue skin for the B5N/TBD would be nice.. :)

I agree with the substitution. Very much more better than the TBM.

Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: puller on May 27, 2015, 04:18:39 PM

IMO,  the fighter minimums should be removed. So more fighters can be used especially for the Axis.

+1  :aok
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: branch37 on May 27, 2015, 09:48:39 PM
I understand the restriction on fighters, and I agree with it.  At Coral Sea, the USN didn't have enough wildcats to go around and SBDs did supplement the defensive strength.  I guess the restriction is put on the axis for balance. 
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: Bino on May 28, 2015, 11:20:25 AM
After some discussion, the fighter maximum limits have been raised from 50 to 75 for each side.  :salute

Per several web searches, both the USN and IJN had right around 20 fighters on each of the fleet carriers at Coral Sea. And Shoho only had 8 x A6M "Zero" and 4 x A5M "Claude" embarked.

Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: Joker312 on May 28, 2015, 01:50:49 PM
Val is not a bad dogfighter either. Flown well it can hold its own.
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: Drano on May 29, 2015, 11:22:15 AM
Val is not a bad dogfighter either. Flown well it can hold its own.

I splashed a pair of Wildcats in one once. After getting separated from the group I was all by my lonesome looking for the CV and they shamelessly assailed me from out of the sun. I sent the yankee dogs to hell. Pulled a "Maverick" on one of em!
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: RSLQK186 on May 29, 2015, 11:51:44 AM
FSO running of Midway, I remember the F4F/Val matchup was a blast. Vals can Loose Duce so well in wingman pairs. Bait and switch, rinse and repeat.
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: tmetal on May 29, 2015, 03:00:46 PM
Jg54 updated :cheers:
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: Trainee on May 29, 2015, 04:21:33 PM
Unforgiven updated.
 :salute
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: snakeplissken on May 31, 2015, 08:27:32 PM
I seem to recall this being done before, but I could be wrong.  Just out of curiosity, this is not a whine about the setup in any way, what is the problem with the TBM?  I know it is a later war model than what was really there, but still, it's no match at all for a zero.

The zero will not catch TBM's from the tail.  One FSO we chased them about 2 sectors until some Wildcats dropped in to say hello.
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: nooby52 on June 01, 2015, 01:18:07 PM
The zero will not catch TBM's from the tail.  One FSO we chased them about 2 sectors until some Wildcats dropped in to say hello.

Yes, could have been VF-17 you were chasing. We were able to dive in on our trgts at about 450 mph before things got dicey. A great, rugged plane, albeit slow as a snail by the time a torp was deployed, and slow to accelerate: then it became easy pickins for a Zeke.
Title: Re: June 2015 FSO - The Battle of the Coral Sea
Post by: pops57 on June 03, 2015, 04:30:12 PM
 And there is one of the big differences. The Devastators max. airspeed is listed at 206mph at 8k. This is also listed as the vne on one site but that is suspect I think. The point is it's highly unlikely the Devastator could reach anywhere near 400 mph and survive structurally.
Yes, could have been VF-17 you were chasing. We were able to dive in on our trgts at about 450 mph before things got dicey. A great, rugged plane, albeit slow as a snail by the time a torp was deployed, and slow to accelerate: then it became easy pickins for a Zeke.