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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: storch on August 02, 2004, 10:35:30 PM
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Well today's example is ample reason enough to shake up the CT management. I would like a show of how many dedicated CTers will join me in a no confidence vote with regard to the CT status quo?
I have nothing but the highest regard for all the CT staff but the arena has been down since 12:00 EST and that is unacceptable.
Change needs to be implemented right now.
Please Vote for change or maintaining the status quo.
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I am voting Bug, because he said he would buy me Beer... and not the cheap kind... Honestly I think we should give him a chance... maybe he can do somethings for the CT.
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Colonel Stream
Commanding Officer
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I vote for a CT regular to be added to the CT staff right now! To hell with waiting for Sept. The lastest CT staffer added, had 11.5 hours in the CT and OVER 47 hours in the MA!
I demand one of our own be added to the staff immediately. I saw at least 3 first time CT'ers come into the arena and have to leave because the arena was porked. If any of the CT regulars I saw in there were staffers the arena would of been fixed.
This is beyond tiresome.
VoteBug!:aok
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I have to agree with Storch. I also suggest that the entire CT staff make it their responsibility to drop in and monitor the arena on a regular basis (even if it's every couple of hours during the day/evening primetime hours). Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to recruit staff volunteer candidates who play the game during Euro hours (who may, as an additional beneifit, recruit more eurotime players).
Basically, I think a duty roster needs to be created and maintained. Understanding that the positions are voluntary and we all have real lives and occasionally emergencies that need attending, the entire staff needs to wear a "beeper", per say ( posted messenger addresses will do) that players can get from the motd or some such public place. That way the staff can help each other out as well as help out the CT players. A broken arena that is left broken for long periods of time won't help promote new blood.
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The staff just needs some people on it that desires to play AH in the CT, the rest will sort itself out.
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Originally posted by TheBug
The staff just needs some people on it that desires to play AH in the CT, the rest will sort itself out.
What you meant to say was, "Good ideas, Arlo. If elected I will implement them." :D
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Originally posted by TheBug
I vote for a CT regular to be added to the CT staff right now! To hell with waiting for Sept. The lastest CT staffer added, had 11.5 hours in the CT and OVER 47 hours in the MA!
I demand one of our own be added to the staff immediately. I saw at least 3 first time CT'ers come into the arena and have to leave because the arena was porked. If any of the CT regulars I saw in there were staffers the arena would of been fixed.
This is beyond tiresome.
VoteBug!:aok
Okay Bug... Slash is a good guy.. don't fault him just yet... I think he will do things for the CT... just as you would... Granted he did spend a lot of time in MA but I think that has to do with the cross over... Let him get his feet wet..
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Colonel Stream
Commanding Officer
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My problem doesn't lie with Slash27, it lies with a CT staff that would pick him. There's plenty of people attempting to make the cross over in the CT.
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Originally posted by Arlo
What you meant to say was, "Good ideas, Arlo. If elected I will implement them." :D
I thought that's what I said??? :D
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Originally posted by TheBug
My problem doesn't lie with Slash27, it lies with a CT staff that would pick him. There's plenty of people attempting to make the cross over in the CT.
Actually, he is a VERY good pick....and not just because he is my XO :D
I believe he posted in another thread pertaining to this dilemna that HTC has not yet graciously imposed upon him his almighty CT staff privs yet, thus allowing him to fix the CT. Don' t even begin to toss him into your somewhat exhausted ranting and raving against the CT staff, that quite frankly, to this CT regular, is starting to go in one ear, and out the other.
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This is Fork's setup, right?
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Bug is saying give us a euro Ct staffer that can fix everything before prime time:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
Actually, he is a VERY good pick....and not just because he is my XO :D
I believe he posted in another thread pertaining to this dilemna that HTC has not yet graciously imposed upon him his almighty CT staff privs yet, thus allowing him to fix the CT. Don' t even begin to toss him into your somewhat exhausted ranting and raving against the CT staff, that quite frankly, to this CT regular, is starting to go in one ear, and out the other.
I don't have CT staff powers but I fly in the CT. Never tossed him in, you need to pay closer attention. Is there something there that is not the truth? Please point it out.
Glad you had fun in the CT tonight:rolleyes:
P.S. I didn't start this thread
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Bug is saying give us a euro Ct staffer that can fix everything before prime time:rolleyes:
Bug requesting a Euro?? Hehe, you've got no clue.
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honestly if you want the CT to be fixed before you enter, then you need to ask a euro guy. Their prime time is my lunch time, and you get home at what 5?. You can have it done 2 hours before for the prime time, instead of having to boot everyone just as prime time starts.
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The lastest CT staffer added, had 11.5 hours in the CT and OVER 47 hours in the MA!
I do believe, Slash was the "latest CT Staffer" you are referring too in this post......am I wrong???? This is definitely tossing him into your ranting and raving.
And yeah, I did have fun tonight...when I found the CT having problems, I went and flew with a bunch of folks that I have come to enjoy *playing* this game with in the MA. It's unfortunate you cannot, and have to let everyone know about it
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
The lastest CT staffer added, had 11.5 hours in the CT and OVER 47 hours in the MA!
I do believe, Slash was the "latest CT Staffer" you are referring too in this post......am I wrong???? This is definitely tossing him into your ranting and raving.
And yeah, I did have fun tonight...when I found the CT having problems, I went and flew with a bunch of folks that I have come to enjoy *playing* this game with in the MA. It's unfortunate you cannot, and have to let everyone know about it
That was in reference to the CT staff's selection not the CT staffer himself. I'm sorry that you're not educated enough to understand this, but I have enough on my plate already.
My advice to you is to ignore it then. Didn't ask for you opinion in the first place. What you see as ranting and raving I only see as the facts.
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If your going to "refer" to me then use my name. Go add up all the time Ive spent in the CT , or does that not fit your agenda?
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Am I gonna count as an absentee ballot thingy?...
:p
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Since january 1
TheBug has 179:31:32 in the CT.
Slash27 has 189:03:29 in the CT.
Did I win?
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I must agree, CT staffers need to put the CT first before flying in any other arena.
I expect to see the "staffer of the Week" in the CT offten making sure problems are.
During non-squd times I will even do what I can to help new guys.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
I must agree, CT staffers need to put the CT first before flying in any other arena.
I expect to see the "staffer of the Week" in the CT offten making sure problems are.
During non-squd times I will even do what I can to help new guys.
Let's see what the dysfunctional ADD suffering CT community has come with in the way of votes thus far.
We have 20 posts most of which are nanny nanny boo boo posts.
We have 4 votes for changing the membership of the CT Staff.
Does anyone else care to Vote?
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Originally posted by storch
Does anyone else care to Vote?
Guess I'll throw in my bit.
I don't think anyone is happy that the CT has been down for....what....nearly a day? Looking at my calendar, though, I note that this is the heart of summer vacation time. And I think back over the past year, or two years, and it seems to me that this is a very rare event. In fact, I can't think of another time it's happened, and I keep reasonably close watch on the CT.
What I do notice is that a number of old CT staffers are gone, and it seems to me that one of the reasons they are gone probably is that they got tired of people whining about the setups and other aspects of being a CT manager (or CM, or poohbah or whatever the official title may be). I don't plan to do that here. Dung happens, but it doesn't happen often in the CT, and I'm pretty happy about that.
If making Bug a CM will cut down on the complaining, then I'm all for it. But I'm just a bit surprised at all the noise over one night's disruption.
So that's my vote.
- oldman
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I guess the 20 hours reflected my inability to manage the CT - or maybe seeing how it was a holiday for me, taking my family out for a nice day is too much for you guys? Heaven forbid I have a life outside the CT.
I also didn't see a SINGLE email in my account in the past 20 hours. Since that takes 30 seconds to send the CT staff an email (you know, email mister_fork@hitechcreations.com or ctstaff@hitechreations.com), guess it was too much work for the lot of you to send us an email.
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Or wait, cause none of us fly in the arena, how would we even know? We're all inept limpdiks anyway. That's right, none of us fly in the arena, do we storch?
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Or wait, cause none of us fly in the arena, how would we even know? We're all inept limpdiks anyway. That's right, none of us fly in the arena, do we storch?
No reflection on you Fork. I think you are well liked and respected. Last week you offered up some very sound suggestions for positive change in the arena. The last 24 hour's occurance has merely underscored the need to implement those ideas, sooner rather than later. The arena is still down.
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You guys remind me of my Condo Association.
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Originally posted by Dux
You guys remind me of my Condo Association.
actually it has come to that hasn't it hehe
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Ok, I'll jump in on this and open myself to all of the usual insults that follow a post.
I vote to maintain the structure as is-for now. Fork and others have some good ideas that should be refined to what the community wants-then implemented. I think the current staff does the best they can with what they have at their disposal
Hawk said it best, when he said that when somebody asks for input-they basically don't get it. All they get for their effort is a bunch of whines and a load of crap-I'm not going to quote here but just review the posts.
The mentality of: I want what I want-and I want it RIGHT NOW-has got to go away. for us it is a game that we pay money to play, therefore we feel that we have a right to demand certain things to enhance our enjoyment and playability-not going to happen (at least right away). To HTC it is a passion but most importantly a business. So the way I see it-most of HTC's bread and butter comes from the vast MAJORITY of players that fly in the MA. That arena and those players will get priority, everything else will come in at a lower priority (hopefully CT is second on that list).
In case you've forgotten-we are still in a transition phase here. The CT needs a lot of "stuff", it will come, and be the CT we were used to and hopefully even better than it was in AH1. In AH1 I absolutly despised the MA, but now that is the arena that is getting "most" of the attention-so I am spending some time in there and having quite a bit of fun, but I still consider myself a dedicated CT'er.
Finally, there have been many good and productive ideas thrown out there by many people. For those with the time, desire, and responsibility-compile those ideas (current CT staff-hint, hint) and make a working document-a mission statement of what the CT will become and who will play what roles to make the CT better than it ever was.
Oh Yeah, Bug, (just my opinion-take it for what it's worth) you don't get my vote. You have some good ideas, you seem to be passionate for what you believe, and you appear to have the best intentions for the common good of the CT. But in reading your posts I don't feel that you have the "diplomacy" needed to fill a CT Staff position.
There you go, flame away :aok
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Originally posted by Slash27
Since january 1
TheBug has 179:31:32 in the CT.
Slash27 has 189:03:29 in the CT.
Did I win?
Sorry I win Just for January alone : 142 hours in the CT
Damnn I need a life :rolleyes:
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I may be sticking my nose in where it aint asked for but that never stopped me before...
I think if you are a CT staffer you need to be in the CT not the MA. When I log onto AH I look at the number of peeps in the CT. If it is under 20 I go to the MA, if it is over that I'll take a look at the planesets. If there are Jets enabled I'll go to the MA.
I'm not even beginning to suggest you change anything to tailor to my ilk, just giving you some feedback.
I prefer fighting historical matchups, I also prefer fighting with multiple bandits and wingmen though.
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I think if you are a CT staffer you need to be in the CT not the MA
At what point would we be able to be in the MA?
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edbert, remember once a wise man once told a young grass hopper. "It is your $15 month do what you wantwith it"
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I'm just saying that nothing will attract folks to the CT as much as seeing folks in the CT will. I'd be happy to spend the majority of my time in it but sometimes its...well...boring and empty. It just seems that if you are so dedicated to the CT as to become an elected official then you should be one of the bodies that are in there. As far as what proportion of your time should be spent where, who am I to say? Perhaps 50% would be a reasonable amount, I dunno.
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If a CT Staffer wants to fly in the MA he should be able to IF he keeps checking that the CT is playable. If the CT staffer hate ETO, he should not be made to fly in it....but he should check on the CT and make sure it is playable if the staffer for that week is unable to attend the arena's settings.
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BTW edbert,
If there are others that think the way you do, what if there were 19 players in the CT, 10 more logged on, 5 seconds apart, but only saw the 19 and then logged out before the 21st player logged on? If all stayed for 15 minutes, there would be 29 players instead of 19.
Instead of using the number of players as your rule to play or not, why not try a time limit. Play for 15 minutes no matter the number that are logged on. If this would happen, more would show and keep showing.
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Just like to toss my views into the mix while I'm thinking of it. When it's my week I try and make it a point to check in on my setup periodically, usually when I get home from work (5:30-6:00 pm pacific time) Hoping to catch any problems before primetime. I also try and spend as much flying time in the CT as possible during my week. In my "off" weeks I tend to fly both MA and CT depending on planesets and where my squaddies are. I monitor the BBS but not nessesarily the arena unless asked to do so by someone.
I would also like to add that since I do like to fly with my squaddies this means that lately more and more of my time has been spent away from the CT since that is where the squad seems to fly. Once Slash gets up to speed and we add another staffer, perhaps a result of the community vote I plan to step back my role on the staff to make room for someone who can devote the time and energy I think the CT deserves.
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Allright I'm going to put my spin on this.
While I'm not in the CT that much I'm in a similar position with the TA.
I fly the main an hour or 2 in the morning, typicly when there is no one in the TA.
At every other point in the day if I log on, I check the TA first. Then if there is no need/problems, I'll move on to CT, main etc.
Dedication is whats needed. However, without support from the people, and with poor organization people WILL burn out quickly.
I doubt that there is a quick easy fix.
While I'm sure thebug & slash have good intentions, unless the underlying problems are solved they'll run into the same problems as their successors.
Best of luck guys
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
If a CT Staffer wants to fly in the MA he should be able to IF he keeps checking that the CT is playable. If the CT staffer hate ETO, he should not be made to fly in it....but he should check on the CT and make sure it is playable if the staffer for that week is unable to attend the arena's settings.
too better explain the above.....What Ghosth said!
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It just seems that if you are so dedicated to the CT as to become an elected official then you should be one of the bodies that are in there.
Well dont let The Bugs propaganda fool you.I am and have been a dedicated CTer. If you would like go back and check my stats/scores for the last few years. Bug posting my time for one month and then implying Im not good enough to be a staffer is crap. I contacted the CT staff to see if I could be of help. They gave me a shot and Im glsd they did and Ill do my best for the CT. I am open to new ideas and suggestions, Im not open to bull****.
BTW Edbert, If you have any ideas let me know, and you also can join the CT development group if you want to get more involved.
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Originally posted by Slash27
BTW Edbert, If you have any ideas let me know, and you also can join the CT development group if you want to get more involved.
What's it entail Slash?
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Originally posted by Slash27
The Bugs propaganda
I like the sound of that.
Let's see how many you log as a staffer prior to that will soon become meaningless.
Once again I wasn't referring to you I was referring to the SELECTION of you. This was pointed at the current CT staff, I don't find fault in you wanting to be a CT staffer.
But as many of us found out not having a CT regular on the staff is very detrimental to the CT. And as of late, you Sir are not a CT regular.
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bug give it up fast or you will be losing votes. Slash is a good guy who loves to fly in the CT. also pays $15 a month and so he can fly in the MA when ever he pleases. So could you but no you kick and scream when a CT Staffer is not there. You should try the MA in a CT plane. It is fun you will see.
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No thanks.
I find greater joy in attempting to squeeze an ounce of dedication out of the CT staff.
Appreciate the offer though Skull.
Btw, couldn't agree more with you about Slash. You seem to be missing the point, but don't worry you're not alone.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
But I'm just a bit surprised at all the noise over one night's disruption.
So that's my vote.
- oldman
Is it really just over one night's disruption? I don't think so.
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Originally posted by Mike_2851
Oh Yeah, Bug, (just my opinion-take it for what it's worth) you don't get my vote. You have some good ideas, you seem to be passionate for what you believe, and you appear to have the best intentions for the common good of the CT. But in reading your posts I don't feel that you have the "diplomacy" needed to fill a CT Staff position.
There you go, flame away :aok
Like I said before a CT staffer should hardly be selected for the ability to give you that warm and fuzzy feeling.
Look what the Good 'Ol Boy club has done for us so far. A staff with about 80% of them that don't even play the game.
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Originally posted by Mike_2851
Ok, I'll jump in on this and open myself to all of the usual insults that follow a post.
I vote to maintain the structure as is-for now. Fork and others have some good ideas that should be refined to what the community wants-then implemented. I think the current staff does the best they can with what they have at their disposal
Hawk said it best, when he said that when somebody asks for input-they basically don't get it. All they get for their effort is a bunch of whines and a load of crap-I'm not going to quote here but just review the posts.
The mentality of: I want what I want-and I want it RIGHT NOW-has got to go away. for us it is a game that we pay money to play, therefore we feel that we have a right to demand certain things to enhance our enjoyment and playability-not going to happen (at least right away). To HTC it is a passion but most importantly a business. So the way I see it-most of HTC's bread and butter comes from the vast MAJORITY of players that fly in the MA. That arena and those players will get priority, everything else will come in at a lower priority (hopefully CT is second on that list).
In case you've forgotten-we are still in a transition phase here. The CT needs a lot of "stuff", it will come, and be the CT we were used to and hopefully even better than it was in AH1. In AH1 I absolutly despised the MA, but now that is the arena that is getting "most" of the attention-so I am spending some time in there and having quite a bit of fun, but I still consider myself a dedicated CT'er.
Finally, there have been many good and productive ideas thrown out there by many people. For those with the time, desire, and responsibility-compile those ideas (current CT staff-hint, hint) and make a working document-a mission statement of what the CT will become and who will play what roles to make the CT better than it ever was.
Oh Yeah, Bug, (just my opinion-take it for what it's worth) you don't get my vote. You have some good ideas, you seem to be passionate for what you believe, and you appear to have the best intentions for the common good of the CT. But in reading your posts I don't feel that you have the "diplomacy" needed to fill a CT Staff position.
There you go, flame away :aok
Oh Yeah, Bug, (just my opinion-take it for what it's worth) you don't get my vote. You have some good ideas, you seem to be passionate for what you believe, and you appear to have the best intentions for the common good of the CT. But in reading your posts I don't feel that you have the "diplomacy" needed to fill a CT Staff position.
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You've all got good points, and I'm sorry if my thoughts seemed directed at anyone specifically. I know Slash is a helluva guy, and I seem to have stepped on his toes, no aspusions were intentionally cast. I too fly the majority of my time in the MA, thats where my firends are and I'm sure the same is true of the CT-office-holders.
I love the CT concept, I wish its role was reversed with the MA. But wishing that will not make it so, the majority of the players want the air-quake game they have over there, I've tried to get my squaddies to join me in the CT before, I had luck when there was a popular planeset or our side in the main was getting blinded and hammered (but the latter hasn't happened lately). But even the majority of them prefer the melee.
I don't really have any ideas for how to get the CT numbers up (definitely none that you guys haven't tried or thought of before), ironically, increased numbers is what will get the numbers up (IMHO), so you guys are stuck in the catch-22 of all time. I only fly for about 20-30 hours per tour and my schedule is kinda haphazard. I respect the idea that if you want to do something you run for office and do it, but I cannot commit the time and resources to do it well. I also think I lack the proper strategies and diplomacy that it would take to REALLY make a difference.
I look forward to your and the CTs sucess however, if you can think of anything you want a CT-advocate to do or say let me know, I do want to help
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Wow, I had no idea slash was on the staff. Hell he is supposed to be in my squad!
Personally, I think the staff is a bit crusty (besides slash of course). There are guys in there that play about as much as I do these days.
Not saying you shouldnt get a family vacation, but if you are volunteering for something, you would expect a passionate zeal for it at least.
Now, it is summer so hopefully we are all out fishing, biking, working, mowing, and drinking beer in the backyard, not playing computer games....
Thats my excuse, and I am sticking to it.
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Edbert,
There are several major reasons why there are so few in the CT.
1. Numbers
This itself has several reasons but one being that; "Why go to the CT and try to do what we do in the MA when the plane I like isnt there?"
a. See above; "...what we do in the MA..." What do they do? All three countries do the same thing. Hord over to a base, blow it up, vulch for a while then capture it....move on to the next base.
b. BASE CAPTURE is the HEART of the MA. WIN WIN WIN is the objective!
c. Then there are those that follow the hord to do some furballing
d. Mindset; You can not perform a, b and c without numbers
2. Plane Set
This is a tuff one and is in the top two complaints in the CT and devides the CT player comunity. However, this was one of the reasons for openning the CT. The planes enabled for a week are suppose to be Historical Matchups. Thats kinda hard to do in modern times. We now know how to fly each plane to is strengths so guys dont want to fly anything that is inferior to what they want to fly. Why fly what I dont want to fly in the CT when I can always fly what I do want to fly in the MA?
3. Arena Settings
Most do not like the histroical radar settings, downtimes, item hardness, low range icons etc. Sorry but thats why its called the CT. Well actually the Combat Arena should be called the Historic Arena. If the CT was truly a combat arena then you dont need HISTORICAL SETTINGS. You can combat in anything...even GVs
4. Players Time
You said it. Some guys only have a few minutes to fly so they want to get right to it. No delays, no planning. Get right to the vulching, capturing, dogfighting !!!!! Cant do this in the CT cept on tuesday and thursday nights
The CT comunity has formed it into what it is or what some think it is. "Historic" is the name that most comes out when you mention the name CT.
On a personal note, this is what I vision in a Historic Setting
1. Dated matchups
2. Limited icons
3. limited radar
4. Wind
4. Fog
5. Clouds
6. Haze (limited visability)
7. Limited base captures (historic remember?)
What I dont like
1. Base Porking -very touchy subject right now. This really hurts when trying to plan a Historic Mission or just a mission that relates to the theme for the weeks map when the base needed has been porked, captured etc. The current CT staff refuses to reset the map theme for squad nights. Porking the third country also screws up the settings as well as planes and can even shut down the arena.
2. Furballing However, due to numbers sometimes this is the only thing to do.
3. 10 mile visabilty 24 hours a day. Chasing a dot that is actually 10 miles away heading away from the fight. Being able to see a plane on the deck when yourself is at 30k. Not very realistic
4. Limited maned ack. This goes both ways. If a base is being attacked, there should be several maned ack as well as the GVs to help defend it. Defended HQ with vast amounts of manable ack and AAA. Manable ack in cities if the capture bunker is there.
...and more but nobody wants to here them again :)
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You've all got good points, and I'm sorry if my thoughts seemed directed at anyone specifically. I know Slash is a helluva guy, and I seem to have stepped on his toes,
I have no issue with you at all Edbert, Bugs comments about my MA time pissed me of was all.
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Originally posted by Slash27
[BI have no issue with you at all Edbert, Bugs comments about my MA time pissed me of was all.
:D [/B]
Why would they piss you off? They are just numbers. Did I write them down wrong?
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Your tactics are crap Bug. ( Slash was in the MA. boohoo)You run around stomping your feet cying about how piss poor the staff is, and how your gonna save the world. All see from you is hot air."Im going to fix it" "Im going to change it" Its time to cut the crap. Lay out your plans, ideas, agenda or whatever its you think people should vote for. Put up or shut up. We all get you want our vote. We all get you claim to be the answer. You're just leaving out one minor detail. How?
btw, you miss the part where I have more time in the CT than you this year?
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Good one, Slash! :aok
BTW, TheBug sounds more and more like "Scary Kerry" each time he posts, doesn't he?
Got solutions, Bug?
Wanna be "elected"?
Post YOUR plan on how to make the arena better, be specific, give everyone details on what you will do if they elect ya.
If you have that much time in the CT, either they are already doing something right to make you wanna play there, or, you can't hack it in the MA.
C'mon, Bug, tell us everything.
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Originally posted by eddiek
Good one, Slash! :aok
BTW, TheBug sounds more and more like "Scary Kerry" each time he posts, doesn't he?
Got solutions, Bug?
Wanna be "elected"?
Post YOUR plan on how to make the arena better, be specific, give everyone details on what you will do if they elect ya.
If you have that much time in the CT, either they are already doing something right to make you wanna play there, or, you can't hack it in the MA.
C'mon, Bug, tell us everything.
The MA is for poooooooosies. :D
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
3. Arena Settings
Most do not like the histroical radar settings, downtimes, item hardness, low range icons etc. Sorry but thats why its called the CT. Well actually the Combat Arena should be called the Historic Arena. If the CT was truly a combat arena then you dont need HISTORICAL SETTINGS. You can combat in anything...even GVs
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There's nothing historical about the CT dar settings. WWII dar gave much more info than you guys have; at better resolution (yes; even German dar).
The CT wasn't formed to be an historic arena. If it was; HTC were/are perfectly capable of calling it the Historic arena. You'll note that they don't.
The CT was formed to silence an excrutiatingly vocal minority of BBS posters that were nothing more than a bunch of dar whiners.
And it worked; the community is refreshingly free from dar whines compared to 2/3 years ago.
The CT staff; lead in great part by guys such as Brady took that ball and ran with it to make what you guys know today as the CT.
However; one of the whiners main theories was that restricted dar would lead to a better/more populated arena. This has clearly failed.
Get this, you CT'ers: people like MA settings; especialy in an underpopulated arena. No one wants to spend hours dot chasing.
Fix these two issues: anti-historical gaming the game; such as axis CV's parked off the Isle of wight during BOB week; and dot chasing, and you'll see more numbers; especialy the latter.
I think many more people are attracted to historical match ups than you guys appreciate.
Your fanatical adherence to unpopular arena settings is what's keeping people out (none of this is directed at you personaly; Curtis; I merely thought you're points needed counterpoise).
The CT is in danger of chasing it's own tail. You've got a small bunch of hardcore supporters who by definition don't match the same marketing profile as MA users; trying to come up with ideas on how to appeal to more MA users. About as much use as a Mcdonalds boss trying to market to vegitarians.
Try this: loose the "hardcore" settings for the first two days of the week; suck 'em in to the planes sets; wonderfull maps and "ethos" of the CT. Screw the settings up on friday and saturday to give each week a "hardcore finale". Only issue scores on hardcore days.
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From 8-9-2001:
"A new arena is now up. It's called "Combat Theater" and deals with historical, quasi-historical and perhaps even what-if setups. The Theater will rotate between different settings. How long that rotation period will be dictated by response.
We're are now poised to open up a lot more diversity of gameplay in AH, and this is a step in that direction. There's a lot more to do to fulfill the potential of this and other expanded offerings, but we'll continue to add and improve as we always have.
You can find info on the current setup in the login message of that arena.
__________________
Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations"
The arena was, IMO, supposed to be an historical one. How much reduced icons and dar was intended to be a part of that is something only Pyro can answer.
I do agree with Seeker: Try enabling MA-style icon ranges for a while and see if the numbers increase.
Do one thing at a time, make one change and evaluate the effect on attendance, before making another one.
I'd vote for increasing the icon range as the first change to be made, just to see if the attendance goes up.
Just my two cents worth.......
:cool: :cool:
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Originally posted by eddiek
From 8-9-2001:
"A new arena is now up. It's called "Combat Theater" and deals with historical, quasi-historical and perhaps even what-if setups. The Theater will rotate between different settings. How long that rotation period will be dictated by response.
We're are now poised to open up a lot more diversity of gameplay in AH, and this is a step in that direction. There's a lot more to do to fulfill the potential of this and other expanded offerings, but we'll continue to add and improve as we always have.
You can find info on the current setup in the login message of that arena.
__________________
Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations"
The arena was, IMO, supposed to be an historical one. How much reduced icons and dar was intended to be a part of that is something only Pyro can answer.
I do agree with Seeker: Try enabling MA-style icon ranges for a while and see if the numbers increase.
Do one thing at a time, make one change and evaluate the effect on attendance, before making another one.
I'd vote for increasing the icon range as the first change to be made, just to see if the attendance goes up.
Just my two cents worth.......
:cool: :cool:
That would be altogether too reasonable
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Originally posted by Seeker
Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
3. Arena Settings
Most do not like the histroical radar settings, downtimes, item hardness, low range icons etc. Sorry but thats why its called the CT. Well actually the Combat Arena should be called the Historic Arena. If the CT was truly a combat arena then you dont need HISTORICAL SETTINGS. You can combat in anything...even GVs
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There's nothing historical about the CT dar settings. WWII dar gave much more info than you guys have; at better resolution (yes; even German dar).
The CT wasn't formed to be an historic arena. If it was; HTC were/are perfectly capable of calling it the Historic arena. You'll note that they don't.
The CT was formed to silence an excrutiatingly vocal minority of BBS posters that were nothing more than a bunch of dar whiners.
And it worked; the community is refreshingly free from dar whines compared to 2/3 years ago.
The CT staff; lead in great part by guys such as Brady took that ball and ran with it to make what you guys know today as the CT.
However; one of the whiners main theories was that restricted dar would lead to a better/more populated arena. This has clearly failed.
Get this, you CT'ers: people like MA settings; especialy in an underpopulated arena. No one wants to spend hours dot chasing.
Fix these two issues: anti-historical gaming the game; such as axis CV's parked off the Isle of wight during BOB week; and dot chasing, and you'll see more numbers; especialy the latter.
I think many more people are attracted to historical match ups than you guys appreciate.
Your fanatical adherence to unpopular arena settings is what's keeping people out (none of this is directed at you personaly; Curtis; I merely thought you're points needed counterpoise).
The CT is in danger of chasing it's own tail. You've got a small bunch of hardcore supporters who by definition don't match the same marketing profile as MA users; trying to come up with ideas on how to appeal to more MA users. About as much use as a Mcdonalds boss trying to market to vegitarians.
Try this: loose the "hardcore" settings for the first two days of the week; suck 'em in to the planes sets; wonderfull maps and "ethos" of the CT. Screw the settings up on friday and saturday to give each week a "hardcore finale". Only issue scores on hardcore days.
Sorry, dont think so :rolleyes: Seeker you need to do a little research before you post. Oh, read the post above.
Eddiek, I have to disagree. If the guys in the MA miss the onboard GPS radar sytem that they have in the MA, they wont like in the CT if its changed to "bait" them in. Once it changes back, they will just leave again.
Seeker, The BoB maps have this "widespread" radar but the PTO maps dont. Look at the current radar in there now!!!!
WarBirds didnt have Dot Dar and it was fine. It wasnt the radar settings the ruined that game.
Change the icon range and radar settings and you are on the road to another MA. Not Good!
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Change the icon range and radar settings and you are on the road to another MA. Not Good!
Couldn't hurt to try this for a week, P6e, to see what happens. Could even combine it with an Arlo Advertising Assault, notifying MA people that it will be easier to find the fights. Maybe use an early- or mid-war plane set, so that the MA crowd can see what it's like to drive a classic instead of a street rod.
Perhaps its just me, but I've never thought that limited icon range was much of an attraction in the CT. If you wanted to do Secret Missions and that sort of thing - which I associate with the MA - then I'd think the limited DAR would help you, but otherwise it just makes it tougher to find a fight (as my own experience last night showed).
- oldman
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Who knows, Hawk?
I, for one, was drawn to the CT for the chance to fight against an historical opponent, without the fight being interrupted by a plane that was, in RL, flown by a friendly country.
Example: I was in a great fight in the MA one evening, me in a Jug D-30, and I believe it was StSanta or Glasses in a 109G10(I believe it was the G10, will have to find that CD and review the film again if I can find it) at 25K. Neither of us could gain the upper hand for more than a second or two, lots of verticals and scissors going on. I think I finally got my opponent worn down, cause he went into a dive. I pulled my nose down to pursue, looked over and here comes a Spit...BLAM!
Wrongto, no fault of his own, meanders into the fight and gets a kill on me.
Not against the rules of the MA, but experiences like that made me want to find out just how the fight might have turned out without outside interference.
The lower numbers in the CT do lend themselves to more 1v1, 2v2, etc fights, which I enjoy more than the hamster wheel furrballs in the MA, and you get the added benefit of only fighting against an historical adversary. To me, that adds to the experience, the immersion if you will......
Increasing icon range won't drag all that many more players into the CT, IMHO. The available planesets will curtail overcrowding, as the majority of players want to fly what they want, when they want to fly it, and limiting them from doing that will keep numbers down below MA levels.
As to being on the road to another MA, we have been on that road for months already, we just have fewer regular players in the arena.
Just my perspective, my personal interpretation of things the way I see them, nothing more.
I stand by my earlier statement.......it would not hurt a thing to try one change at a time and see how it affected arena attendance. I cannot see the arena suddenly becoming flooded with MA types, for the simple reason that some players absolutely refuse to fly in any arena, event, scenario, etc...that does not allow them to fly their favorite plane, whatever it may be, all the time, whenever they want to fly it.
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Originally posted by Seeker
The CT wasn't formed to be an historic arena. If it was; HTC were/are perfectly capable of calling it the Historic arena. You'll note that they don't.
LOL
By that reasoning the main arena should be called either Air Risk or Air Chess. :aok :lol
But you've seen the quote. You missed on this one.
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What exactly is wrong with the current Radar?
(http://bellsouthpwp.net/a/u/austi262/Web%20Pages/ahss8.jpg)
As far as icons, D3.0 is enough. Look at ur radar and use it to help with your SA and what you want to do when you see a dot comming at you. If you see three dots in rage and dont know what they are, bring up the buffer and look to see if friendly name appear. If not, they will be cons. If you see three dots and only one friendly on the buffer range, then it will be tow cons. Dont know what kind? Ask the pilot already close to them. Comunicate, which is seldom done in the CT. Friendly dot dar is on full and you can use ur inflight GPS/Radar system to distinguish between friend or foe. There are enough resources in the CT to FIGURE out what is going on without having the game spoon feed it to you.
If you want to know were the fight is, ASK! Anyone that has the ability to fly in the MA can do the same in the CT. Log on, bring up the map, look at the dar bar, look at the roster, ask where the fight is, ask what are they flying, Bf-110s attacking fields, Ju-88s bombing stuff, 190s and 109s furballing?, It doesnt take long to figure out what is going on, I do it every time I log on. With or without radar, bar dar etc, most guys do the same thing anyway!Radar/Icons is just plain lazyness.
I bring up my kneeboard. I look at the bar dar, look at my radar range, look at what the area is and decide if its a furball or an organaised attack. What bases are flashing and why. What squads are on and how many. Link it all up and go fly. The radar/darbar/field flashing/dot dar/plane set/squads/pilot names will tell you what and where the fight is. DOnt let the game have to baby feed you. Get in there and us your skills to find the enemy and interupt what they are doing. That or just go to the DA and furball.
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It doesn't show players where bad guys are 6 sectors away.
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Originally posted by Arlo
It doesn't show players where bad guys are 6 sectors away.
exactly.
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and for those of you that want it......
Originally posted by Arlo
It doesn't show players where bad guys are 6 sectors away.
......why should it? Do we have secreat radar deep in enemy territory?
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
exactly.
Thanks skull, Thats right, so why should the CT "try" something that DOES NOT BELONG in the first place.
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hawk he and i am just pointing out how MA guys are used to that.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
hawk he and i am just pointing out how MA guys are used to that.
right, was targeting those that wanted it. i know u and arlo dont want it. i am now typing with one hand and holding two day old daughter in the other...lol
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
right, was targeting those that wanted it. i know u and arlo dont want it. i am now typing with one hand and holding two day old daughter in the other...lol
you must be bored i take it.
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Where are you?????????
Waited all day to see your plans to revive and invigorate the Combat Theater.
Specifics, please?
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Had all week off!
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Screw you and your details, I've already had a chunk of my ideas plagiarized. I have no intentions of handing out my ideas and then watch them half-assed implemented by the current CT staff.
But here some details you can use.
#1 I actually fly in the CT arena
#2 I will actually apply some constructive energy to a staff job
#3 I believe I have a better pulse on the arena than any staffer.
#4 I will work to FAR more player involvement/interaction
#5 My favorite- I will try like hell to get your dead beat arse off the
CT staff, along with any other staffer that does nothing for the
CT, never flies in the CT and could care less about the CT.
So go blow off, quizzing me about what I will do. Should be asking you what the hell have you done for the CT in the last 6 months, not a damn thing. And you're a freaking staffer.
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bug your pushing the limit here.
lets start with #5.
Why would they be a CT Staffer if they didn't care about the CT?
#4 i you can try and fail.
#3 please feel free to explain more.
#2 Who isn't the staff right now being constructive? Reschke Formed the CT Development Group. Is tht not constructive?
#1 Boohoo they dont fly, so what it is called RL and people have one.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
bug your pushing the limit here.
lets start with #5.
Why would they be a CT Staffer if they didn't care about the CT?
That's kinda the question I'm asking.
#4 i you can try and fail.
I don't fail.
#3 please feel free to explain more.
Presence in the arena gives me this.
#2 Who isn't the staff right now being constructive? Reschke Formed the CT Development Group. Is tht not constructive?
Forming a group that does nothing is contructive?? But specifically the following staffers are dead weight.
Brady, Sabre, eddiek and Jarbo.
#1 Boohoo they dont fly, so what it is called RL and people have one.
Your just being idiotic here.
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Screw you and your details, I've already had a chunk of my ideas plagiarized. I have no intentions of handing out my ideas and then watch them half-assed implemented by the current CT staff.
Good answer.
BTW Mr "finger on the pulse" Eddie is not on the CT staff anymore. And you cant fill his shoes.
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Originally posted by Slash27
btw, you miss the part where I have more time in the CT than you this year?
We'll see how much time you have as a staffer. You're the staffer I demand to see your plan.
Paint meatballs on a jet and call it fun?? You give me details or just go ahead and join the ranks of the incompetent.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Screw you and your details, I've already had a chunk of my ideas plagiarized. I have no intentions of handing out my ideas and then watch them half-assed implemented by the current CT staff.
Good answer.
BTW Mr "finger on the pulse" Eddie is not on the CT staff anymore. And you cant fill his shoes.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110977
I have no desire to fill his shoes, I like to fly in the CT.:rolleyes:
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Bug all the Dead weight staffers are Reserver staffers note that.
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You're the staffer I demand to see your plan.
Im not the one trying to get elected. Demand till your blue in the face.
And I did think meatballs on a jet was fun. Cry on.
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Originally posted by Slash27
You're the staffer I demand to see your plan.
Im not the one trying to get elected. Demand till your blue in the face.
Figures, cause you ain't got one. Or is it just the standard default one? Show on Friday, set up the arena, post on the BBS, off to the MA.
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Figures, cause you ain't got one. Or is it just the standard default one? Show on Friday, set up the arena, post on the BBS, off to the MA.
Keep deflecting Bug. You have shown you bring nothing to the table.
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Bug brings nothing to the table???
TheBug is bringing himself to the table.
He is voulenteering to be a CT staffer because he want's to do good things for the CT. It seems that alot of people want to see some changes in the CT, but not too many are stepping up to the challenge.
I feel that this pissing match has gone too far & wasted too much useful energy that could have been used to better the CT.
If someone offers to help make the CT a better place, I say let them help.
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"Screw you and your details, I've already had a chunk of my ideas plagiarized. I have no intentions of handing out my ideas and then watch them half-assed implemented by the current CT staff."
Dang, that sounds a LOT like old Voss/MetaVoss/whatever his handle is nowadays.
Bug, I really hope you get elected, and hope it gets HiTech's approval.
You've spewed out so much "inept", "out of touch", and other inflammatory and/or derogatory nonsense I think it would serve you right to get a turn at being a staffer.
You've already demonstrated a definite lack of personal skills and diplomacy, both of which are needed to perform the duties of a staffer. Be that as it may, I'd personally ask HiTech to overlook those shortcomings and give you the shot you feel you deserve.
I want you to feel the same things I did when I was with the staff:
Stay up all night working out details for base assignments.
Work out planesets that are as balanced as possible, only to have another (former) staffer go off on ya with an all caps "I CANNUT BELIVE WE ARE RUNING THIS SETUP!!! I AM IMBARASED THAT WE AR ALOWING THIS!!!! :mad: :mad: " cause HE doesn't like it.
Go into the arena the morning of your setup, create the tables, adjust the settings, check, double-check, triple-check the planesets and vehicles, then finally, with a big lump in your throat, you open the arena.......only to find out an hour later that due to a glitch or bug in the arena, there are planes enabled and in the air that DO NOT show up as enabled, so you spend 15-45 minutes going BACK over things with a fine tooth comb, hopefully being able to enlist the aid of one of the players (two or three people can check things much faster than one can).
Log out, go get something to drink or eat, take a break for nature call, then.......
You realize this setup is YOUR baby, succeed or fail, it is yours, your idea...........and you are doing all this for free......actually, you are paying HTC for the right to sit up and worry about all this.
It was an experience full of highs and lows, well worth it, but as REAL LIFE things began to interfere, and I began to notice more and more MA style behavior for what it was, MA style gameplay and behavior, I voluntarily stepped down.
There is/was a slot available with my resignation.
C'mon, Bug, step up to the plate, knock one outta there.
We're all pullin for ya.
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Originally posted by eddiek
"Screw you and your details, I've already had a chunk of my ideas plagiarized. I have no intentions of handing out my ideas and then watch them half-assed implemented by the current CT staff."
Dang, that sounds a LOT like old Voss/MetaVoss/whatever his handle is nowadays.
Bug, I really hope you get elected, and hope it gets HiTech's approval.
You've spewed out so much "inept", "out of touch", and other inflammatory and/or derogatory nonsense I think it would serve you right to get a turn at being a staffer.
You've already demonstrated a definite lack of personal skills and diplomacy, both of which are needed to perform the duties of a staffer. Be that as it may, I'd personally ask HiTech to overlook those shortcomings and give you the shot you feel you deserve.
I want you to feel the same things I did when I was with the staff:
Stay up all night working out details for base assignments.
Work out planesets that are as balanced as possible, only to have another (former) staffer go off on ya with an all caps "I CANNUT BELIVE WE ARE RUNING THIS SETUP!!! I AM IMBARASED THAT WE AR ALOWING THIS!!!! :mad: :mad: " cause HE doesn't like it.
Go into the arena the morning of your setup, create the tables, adjust the settings, check, double-check, triple-check the planesets and vehicles, then finally, with a big lump in your throat, you open the arena.......only to find out an hour later that due to a glitch or bug in the arena, there are planes enabled and in the air that DO NOT show up as enabled, so you spend 15-45 minutes going BACK over things with a fine tooth comb, hopefully being able to enlist the aid of one of the players (two or three people can check things much faster than one can).
Log out, go get something to drink or eat, take a break for nature call, then.......
You realize this setup is YOUR baby, succeed or fail, it is yours, your idea...........and you are doing all this for free......actually, you are paying HTC for the right to sit up and worry about all this.
It was an experience full of highs and lows, well worth it, but as REAL LIFE things began to interfere, and I began to notice more and more MA style behavior for what it was, MA style gameplay and behavior, I voluntarily stepped down.
There is/was a slot available with my resignation.
C'mon, Bug, step up to the plate, knock one outta there.
We're all pullin for ya.
So does that mean you will vote for me?
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Yup.
It also means that I will be among the first to return your criticisms to you when things go wrong (your fault or not, cause things DO happen that are beyond your control), and I will then temporize and offer token praise, just like you.
I WANT you to get a shot at this, Bug.
There must have been something right about the arena for you to log so many hours in it, yet you consistently (or should I say persistently) berated the staff over things you didn't like.
Email me sometime and I will let you in on two essentials of remaining sane if and when you are elected and are about to begin your tenure as a staff member.
Til then, good luck with your campaigning.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Bug all the Dead weight staffers are Reserver staffers note that.
Why?
Why do the reserve staffers not even play in the CT?
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Staff members never flying in the CT, NEVER, is beyond their control? I beg to differ.
Criticise all you want, I'm certain I can take it. Why would my praise be token? Can't I complain when something is wrong and praise when something is done right?
Emailing you ain't gonna do me any good, you most certainly can't handle criticism. Look at all the pent up emotions you've got. "I'm gonna get you Bug!!, my pretty"
The CT beats the MA any day of the week, imo. But you may find it acceptable to allow things to not live up to their potential, in fact it's obvious by the way you performed you staff duties, I don't.
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spin,spin,spin,spinspin,spin,spin.................................yet no answers as to how. Yes, you have yet to bring anything to the table.
In all honesty I wanted to hear what you had in mind. The "no, you'll just steal my ideas" is a huge cop-out. You are right, this is becoming a waste of time so, best of luck with this.
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I don't seem to remember you posting your ideas & plans before you became a staffer. Hell, you used to be on Bug's side.
Even after all of this bickering, TheBug is still willing to offer his help because he believes in the CT.
I'm starting to wonder why there would even be a vote on this? As far as I'm concerned, anyone that wants to better the arena should be welcomed, not put down :confused:
TheBug seems to be determined to become a staffer & hasn't given up on his "Vote Bug" campaign, which has been around for a while. To me, this dedication is one of the best reasons that Bug should become a CT CM :aok
I know from experiance that TheBug can't be discouraged by a few insults & won't cave to unwarranted whining.
Seems like CM material to me.
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Yeah, he's a real trooper alright.
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Am I wrong???
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bug is just spewing out propganda, by saying "Im all high and mighty and will save the CT":rolleyes:. Im sick and tired of bug treating our Current CT staff like absolute trash. Honestly anyone who puts as much time as they do into setup's deserves repect, not this bull**** bug is spewing out. they have right not to play. They work to make the CT fun, which they do. I
them for that and bug for treating them like trash.
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Originally posted by trukjr
Am I wrong???
Some people chose to blow their way into the position Jr. There's no need for having any good ideas when you take that route.
Have to knock down walls sometimes when you want to build improvements, and I agree it ain't always pretty.
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Some people chose to blow their way into the position Jr.
Actually all I did was ask. Guess you didnt think of trying that route.
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A thread where I originally laid out some ideas.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102379
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Another..
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115797
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Yet another...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99983
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More!...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=125722
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Here's one where Slash27 votes for me...:)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105928
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Flying organized missions in the CT, hmmmm....
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64612
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Originally posted by TheBug
Yet another...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99983
propaganda. i agree with batz 100% on that one. you dont have to fly it if you dont want to.
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Yeah Batz is really a good one to agree with. He really was concerned about the CT, never flew in it, didn't have an AH account and has since disappeared when Brady left.
Skull you should really try more often to have some unique thoughts of your own, and stop being a parrot. I like you better when you do that, even if you are disagreeing with me.
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stfu tard, i flew with Wotan in the MA a while ago same with brady. im in their squad dork. check out III/JG2 in the ma you will see me on the roster. again this, CT staff doesn't fly and doesn't have good player/ct staff interactions is proaganda. you need to find more fact and less *proaganda* to spread.i bet you have no clue how long it takes for a ctaff to make the table for a setup do ya? If you do then stop preading your bull**** propaganda, and spread fact.
you are making yourself look more like and idiot ever since fork posted about voting.
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"stfu tard"
I don't think TheBug is the one that sounds like an idiot.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
i bet you have no clue how long it takes for a ctaff to make the table for a setup do ya? If you do then stop preading your bull**** propaganda, and spread fact.
you are making yourself look more like and idiot ever since fork posted about voting.
The idea about voting WAS MINE you idiot. There are 3 CMs in my squad, so you lose that bet.
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there is a different betwreen SEA CM's and CT CM's, SEA CM's all they have to do is disable all planes but the ones that are going to be used at airfields.
Easy, compared to what CT CM's have to do. They have to make each field, for not 1 but 2 sides. all you CM's do is enable all GV's atfields taken and away they go. Not so for the the CT CM's they have to put more time and effort to make a setup. Get the picture?
Idiot.
Oh really your idea? you never once made a post to tell the CT staff for the sole purpose of allowing voting. all you do was you gay Votebug, stuff. would you mind instead of votebug:aok , putting VotePropaganda, vote Bug:aok . That would make so much more sense, since all your spewing is propaganda.
You sir a John Kerry, smashing bush.
You've laid out little in terms of your stance and when you do you change it.
CT staff=bush
you=Kerry:aok
also bug i think you should become more familiar with the Following phrase.
"half Empty."
I see the CT as
"Half Full"
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This thread has really deteriorated. You guys that are running for the CM position are really shootin yourselves in the foot.
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http://shagpro.com/Lise/AP/idiots.wav
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*sigh* I remember when I discovered wav files on the internet and started using them in threads. :D
(http://jollyrogers.info/VF17/animalushi.jpg) (http://funwavs.com/wavfile.php?quote=184&sound=219)
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Why didnt you just post those in the first place? How damn hard was that?
Here's one where Slash27 votes for me...
Yep, then you decide to smear me for your gain. I dont get it dude.