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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: oboe on April 09, 2023, 10:16:32 AM
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Would everybody be OK with me adopting a P-47D-40 skin but changing the subject to a different aircraft from the same FG and squadron? The skin in question is Kev367th's 367FG/392FS. I have been doing research on this skin and have found errors and discrepancies which I cannot resolve.
Here's the skin:
(https://i.imgur.com/iwSzAvY.jpg)
I can find no corroborating image of this skin, and checked Joe Baugher's serial number website for 42-28839, and found this serial number assigned to a P-47D-28-RA (so it wouldn't have the dorsal fin like our D-40 has)
42-28439/29466 Republic P-47D-28-RA Thunderbolt
42-28839 (MSN 2501) 392nd FS [H5-W], 367th FG, 9th AF; "Just Bess"
A further search for P-47Ds from the 367th FG with H5-W fuselage code showed "Just Bess" was also a P-47D-30 (with the dorsal fin), but the airframe serial number was 44-21071. Again from Joe Baugher's site:
44-20308/21107 Republic P-47D-30-RE Thunderbolt
44-21071 (MSN 6479) 392nd FS [H5-W], 367th FG, 9th AF, Frankfurt/Eschborn [Y-74], Germany; "Just Bess"; Accident 29May44 landing at Eschborn; 395th FS [A7-R], 368th FG, 9th AF; "Lady Angela"
So she was in the 367thFG for a while, had an accident, was repaired but reassigned to the 368thFG.
Here is 44-21071 in the 368th's colors:
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=407215.0;attach=36337)
I'd like to skin a different subject from the 392nd FS that I have found both color artwork for and B&W period photos. Any objections?
Alternatively, since there are plenty of free skin slots for the P-47D-40, I could just skin a new addition rather than update Kev367th's. But by adopting and updating the skin, I can eliminate the serial number discrepancy I discovered. I'm sure Kev must've had an image of a red-cowled 367thFG P-47D with a red lightning bolt on its side, but I can't find one. His reference image is a URL link to a defunct decal site.
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Fine by me. A lot of early skins seem to be based on no more than a profile, dodgy provenance IMO. I'd much rather see a skin of a similar aircraft based on a RL photo.
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I correct all adoptions that are in error. I would say that's expected. Go for it.
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I've replaced several skins based on dodgy reference.
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That’s the skin I use when I fly a D40 I love it! Could care less if it’s 100% correct.
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That’s the skin I use when I fly a D40 I love it! Could care less if it’s 100% correct.
Well, we strive for accuracy so I expect it will be changed.
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Well, we strive for accuracy so I expect it will be changed.
To which we are all super appreciative! :cheers: :x No one thing is ever perfect. :aok
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To which we are all super appreciative! :cheers: :x No one thing is ever perfect. :aok
True, but we try to catch the obvious errors.
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Perhaps Lyric can help find something on that skin?
I don't want to take away someone's favorite skin - especially since we have so many free D-40 slots available. But I can't find any reference to this lightning bolt skin, and the skins in the game are supposed to be historically correct.
For now I'll just keep skinning the one I was working on but hold off adopting Kev's skin in hope some evidence can be found for it. I'm sure there must be something out there - Lyric has access to a lot of info.
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Just fix it. Whatever you come up with will be a vast improvement over what's there. No offense to the original skinner. It just needs updating.
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I completely replaced a skin with one from another squad. The old one never flew a combat mission and was unarmed Frankenstein.
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Just fix it. Whatever you come up with will be a vast improvement over what's there. No offense to the original skinner. It just needs updating.
Thanks, V. I was thinking more along the lines of it just needs to be replaced, but I may have jumped the gun. Besides, I wouldn't know how to fix this one - i.e., which tail serial number and or fuselage code letters to use. I haven't found any evidence for it anywhere. But let's give Lyric some time to see if he can come up with anything. I have 7 or 8 P-74D-40 ideas to skin, and probably an equal number of D-25s, so I can stay busy for quite a while. I'm not in a rush to remove Dadtallica's fav D-40 skin, but if it's an error or fantasy skin I suppose it should really be replaced at some point.
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I completely replaced a skin with one from another squad. The old one never flew a combat mission and was unarmed Frankenstein.
Ah, so you can do that - a replacement skin doesn't have to match the squadron of the old skin? I was wondering about that.
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https://371stfightergroup.wordpress.com/2014/03/27/
(https://external-preview.redd.it/H7q9owGsZoQM3lI1P-XzB8bri3M4fFijeyvk0mghAnk.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=144322b097146530f43a41fb6f26a1e00ba4d548)
https://external-preview.redd.it/H7q9owGsZoQM3lI1P-XzB8bri3M4fFijeyvk0mghAnk.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=144322b097146530f43a41fb6f26a1e00ba4d548
(https://371stfightergroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/p-47-44-200284-404fs-371fg.jpg)
https://371stfightergroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/p-47-44-200284-404fs-371fg.jpg
(https://371stfightergroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/p47_371fg.jpg)
https://371stfightergroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/p47_371fg.jpg
This may have had an influence on profiles, modelers, skinners... Different unit but...
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/media/p-47-of-the-406th-fighter-group-named-big-ass-bird-ii.773/full?d=1533598157)
https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/media/p-47-of-the-406th-fighter-group-named-big-ass-bird-ii.773/full?d=1533598157
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But let's give Lyric some time to see if he can come up with anything.
The aircraft is legit well :headscratch: aircraft's.
Two different planes same pilot same nose art on both. That is where the confusion begins. The plane Kev posted has no fin so it would be a -25 & no nose art. Even though it was the replacement for the finned aircraft that he crashed earlier on it has no fin yet, and maybe one was added later I can't find that image so far. The second plane has a fin but no red stripe on the fuselage.
-25 skin for the first photo.
http://www.367thfightergroup.com/Noseart4.htm
(https://i.imgur.com/FvegRK7h.jpg)
-40 for the second photo.
https://www.phillyburbs.com/story/news/columns/2012/12/18/a-piece-history/17214568007/
(https://i.imgur.com/HYdHJFlh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/t8EovNLh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZPXOZtph.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/q1Fzf33h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ezOQCwah.jpg)
On the positive front two skins for two different air frame's and now nose art & we have a name for the pilot,plus kill markings.
EDIT:
Found an image we can keep it as a -40
(https://i.imgur.com/FIzdNG4h.jpg)
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Bingo. :cheers:
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:aok
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https://371stfightergroup.wordpress.com/2014/03/27/
(https://external-preview.redd.it/H7q9owGsZoQM3lI1P-XzB8bri3M4fFijeyvk0mghAnk.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=144322b097146530f43a41fb6f26a1e00ba4d548)
https://external-preview.redd.it/H7q9owGsZoQM3lI1P-XzB8bri3M4fFijeyvk0mghAnk.jpg?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=144322b097146530f43a41fb6f26a1e00ba4d548
(https://371stfightergroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/p-47-44-200284-404fs-371fg.jpg)
https://371stfightergroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/p-47-44-200284-404fs-371fg.jpg
(https://371stfightergroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/p47_371fg.jpg)
https://371stfightergroup.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/p47_371fg.jpg
This may have had an influence on profiles, modelers, skinners... Different unit but...
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/media/p-47-of-the-406th-fighter-group-named-big-ass-bird-ii.773/full?d=1533598157)
https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/media/p-47-of-the-406th-fighter-group-named-big-ass-bird-ii.773/full?d=1533598157
Omg Big A** Bird is a must!!! I will pay! :banana:
Perhaps Lyric can help find something on that skin?
I don't want to take away someone's favorite skin - especially since we have so many free D-40 slots available. But I can't find any reference to this lightning bolt skin, and the skins in the game are supposed to be historically correct.
For now I'll just keep skinning the one I was working on but hold off adopting Kev's skin in hope some evidence can be found for it. I'm sure there must be something out there - Lyric has access to a lot of info.
Well thank you but I don’t want to stand in the way of continuity lol. It’s fairly close to that B&W picture anyway. Just widen the red stripe.
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Fount it and it has nose art now.
"Just Bess"
(http://i.imgur.com/FIzdNG4h.jpg) (https://imgur.com/FIzdNG4)
(https://i.imgur.com/FvegRK7h.jpg)
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Omg Big A** Bird is a must!!! I will pay! :banana:
I've already skinned it, as a D-25 (no fillet in the photo).
(https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/skins/stream.php?floc=1&sfile=fullsizeimg.jpg&stype=1&pindex=p47d25_16) (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/skins/stream.php?floc=1&sfile=fullsizeimg.jpg&stype=1&pindex=p47d25_16)
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Sweet!
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Fount it and it has nose art now.
"Just Bess"
(http://i.imgur.com/FIzdNG4h.jpg) (https://imgur.com/FIzdNG4)
(https://i.imgur.com/FvegRK7h.jpg)
:x
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Ah, so you can do that - a replacement skin doesn't have to match the squadron of the old skin? I was wondering about that.
The one i replaced had bad info submitted to get it in the game and was supposed to have been removed but never was. A few of the F4U's had information that was a stretch but i went with what was there, just one was so egregious i completely replaced it.
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Thank you, Lyric. You are the skinning community's MVP for sure!
OK, it's a little weird that 42-28839 is a P-47D-28RA and yet is clear from the picture it has the tail dorsal fin. I thought the first appearance of the dorsal fin came with the -30RA submodel. I can only conclude some -28RAs were field modified?
At any rate, thanks to Lyric and Dadtallica, the skin 42-28839 is safe as a D-40.
Vraciu identified the 367th FG skin I am working on - "Duck Butt". There is a plastic model of her and the box art grabbed me:
(https://i.imgur.com/rT5ocQ4.jpg)
Vraciu's image of her is actually a B&W photo of the model in a diorama setting - extremely well done. When finished she'll go in as a new submission rather than an update of an adoption.
BTW, apparently "duck butt" was slang for a short person but I have no idea who the figure in the nose art is, or why the plane was named such. Pilot was Lt Arthur G. Witters; he stayed in the Air Force after the War and went on to build the USAF Academy in Colorado Springs.
"Big A55 Bird" is one of my favorite D-25 skins. That one, "Coffey's Pot", "Snorting' Bull" are all terrific. Greebo does an outstanding job with all his skins.
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Thank you to all of you they are alright by me! By the way the skin in question, 42-28839, I feel it’s one of the closet to the shiny bare metal look you were discussing in another thread.
Lol @ Duck-Butt :rofl :lol
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:x
Better image than the one I posted before.
(https://i.imgur.com/OYNyn4kh.jpg)
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Thank you, Lyric. You are the skinning community's MVP for sure!
OK, it's a little weird that 42-28839 is a P-47D-28RA and yet is clear from the picture it has the tail dorsal fin. I thought the first appearance of the dorsal fin came with the -30RA submodel. I can only conclude some -28RAs were field modified?
At any rate, thanks to Lyric and Dadtallica, the skin 42-28839 is safe as a D-40.
Vraciu identified the 367th FG skin I am working on - "Duck Butt". There is a plastic model of her and the box art grabbed me:
(https://i.imgur.com/rT5ocQ4.jpg)
Vraciu's image of her is actually a B&W photo of the model in a diorama setting - extremely well done. When finished she'll go in as a new submission rather than an update of an adoption.
BTW, apparently "duck butt" was slang for a short person but I have no idea who the figure in the nose art is, or why the plane was named such. Pilot was Lt Arthur G. Witters; he stayed in the Air Force after the War and went on to build the USAF Academy in Colorado Springs.
"Big A55 Bird" is one of my favorite D-25 skins. That one, "Coffey's Pot", "Snorting' Bull" are all terrific. Greebo does an outstanding job with all his skins.
(https://i.imgur.com/Iaqkg1Gh.jpg)
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Oh yeah. You can trek is a model when you look closer. Oops.
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Oh yeah. You can TELL IT is a model when you look closer. Oops.
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Yes, many D-28s received a dorsal fin retrofit.