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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Mus51 on March 22, 2010, 07:39:28 AM
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(http://www.scalehobbyist.com/images/products/HAS/HAS00009865/l_HAS09865_l.jpg)
(http://www.mojehobby.pl/zdjecia/3/1/0/1626_rn.jpg)
http://www.jg300.de/me-109g-14as-lt-willi-trabert.phtml
I've seen profiles of it a red 3 and some with a green 3. I've also seen one with a black right undersurface of the wing.
Can someone help me out wich profile is correct? I'm posting screenshots as soon as i got something that look like the first profile.
Thanks in Advance
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First look of it in game, im quite happy already how the colours worked out.
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5613/jg300.jpg)
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2513/jg3001.jpg)
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6111/jg3002.jpg)
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Known bugs:
- The black luftwaffe cross on the rear fuselage needs to be bigger
- The green '3' needs lengthening
- The noseart needs to be smaller and lower on the left nose.
- The nosecone needs more contrast and brighter white stripes
Im also not sure if the black cross needs to be black or in RLM82 colors.
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Beautiful work, but if the profile/art work is accurate, wouldn't there be a swastika on the tail?
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I would suggest that there are too many well defined stencils. You don't see the numbers on the fuselage ribs after the F models much, and in a late 1944 G-14 model you're going to see only the basics as they get painted and repainted so often.
Unless you have specific photographic evidence otherwise, I think all the red "press here" marks, the fuselage numbers, the red wing walk areas, and especially the "nur hier" markings would all be absent.
Many did not even have the "vorsicht beim cooler im haus" or whatever it says on the chin panel. By then the ground crews were quite well trained and they just did not need these, and never repainted them (or in some cases I'm quite sure they were never painted to begin with!).
P.S. Oboe, many places went "PC" a while back. You will see Japanese manufacturers obscure them like on the box art for the Hasegawa G-14 below the profile. I guess it depends on where the artist that created the profile lives.
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Personally, I like the black diamonds on the tails. Luftwaffe birds just don't look right with big, blank tails.
:salute Skinners!
Regards,
Hammer
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Most disagree.
That's another thing I didn't notice on the skin.
Mus, you know that diamond wasn't on the real plane, right? That's a modern cover-up of a non-politically-correct swastika, right? :P
Just checking.
I presonally think the diamonds are simply drawing MORE attention to the fact it's missing, rather than its absence. What if you had a RAF hurricane, and you had to choose between making a circular british roundel in place of the fin flash, or just leaving the fin flash off? IMO (and a number of others seem to agree) leaving it blank draws less attention to the fact it's missing.
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Most disagree.
I know. It's like the time everybody was wrong except me! :D
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In these photo's it shows it flew around with a swastika.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/428/swastika1.jpg)
It also clearly shows the markings on the front part cowling
(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8763/swastika2b.jpg)
As for the black box on the tail, i prefer it over the absense of a swastika and this black box is in all the profiles i've seen except for the real photo's shown here. Since i noticed it now, the black box needs to be bigger.
I can try reducing the opacity of the markings too.
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Well, naturally ALL 109s flew with the swastika in place (discounting 1-2 very specific cases). I'm not saying they didn't. The black diamond in place of a swasti is a much more recent and localized phenomenon on color profiles, and IMO more of a minority.
Looking at your photo (nice on, by the way!) it does show the caution and (as always) the triangle by the filling spout, but it doesn't explicitly look like they have the red indicators on the cowling clasps, and no G-14s that I can think of had the other minutae.
Definitely looks good, I'm just sweating the smaller details.
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looking good. Nice color for sure.
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Very nice skin Mus51. :aok
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:aok
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I don't know if you have finished this or not, but I noticed a couple minor details in the screenshots when browsing them again recently:
1) Unless there's something else at work that I can't see, the camo on the v-stab extends below the H-stabs, and can be seen undernearth them. Crop it off or pull it up, or something, maybe?
2) The charger intake has this crescent-shaped "collar" that goes behind the intake on the leading edge where it blends into the cowling. It's a solid color in the screenshot. You can skin it so the color fades halfway down to match the upper surfaces of the charge fading into the side colors of the cowling. A minor detail, but worth mentioning.
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P.S. Oboe, many places went "PC" a while back. You will see Japanese manufacturers obscure them like on the box art for the Hasegawa G-14 below the profile. I guess it depends on where the artist that created the profile lives.
Oh, BS! By "a while back" Krusty means way before the term "politically correct" was coined, all the way back the the immediate aftermath of WWII when the symbol was outlawed in places like Germany and France. I have never seen anybody in the US quibble about it being on things like German airplanes in computer games.
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I meant from an internet profile/color plate perspective, as well as a model boxart perspective...
There has been swastika censorship in the form of OMISSION for many many decades, but this "replace it with a diamond" business is specifically recent (past 10 years give or take) and on the Internet (regarding color profiles and artwork, etc) it is localized and seems to center around a minority of artists.
Very specifically, these are the sources he is using for his inspiration to put a black diamond on the skin, so very specifically I am talking about them.
NOT the general swastika removal that we've seen since post-WW2. I'm not talking about that.
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If it is on model box art, can those models be sold in Germany and France? Given the laws, I doubt it and thus it goes back to the same thing, not some new found PC issue.
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It's not that simple. For international shipping, many model manufacturers simply don't include it on the art, have the swastiks literally cut out (by hand) from the decal sheets, and have their own special "export to germany/europe" versions. You're trying to force a topic that is other than what I am talking about.
I am not discussing the illegality of the swastika in Germany.
I'm not discussing it's censorship/absence in many types of artwork on model boxes or in model decals or internet artwork.
Specifically, the practice of obcsuring it with a big black diamond shape is very recent.
You can also look and see hyper-paranoia kick in when some companies censor the boxart of Finnish craft (mostly Japanese companies, again seems to be a trend with the sources), by turning the roundel to a while field with a blue "+" sign.
You're not grasping the point. It's not that there has been censorship, it's this type of substitution is a recent trend.
I can't explain it any clearer, and if you don't get it I'm just going to move on.
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First place I saw the black diamond in place of the swastika, that I can remember, was in Il-2.
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I decided to keep the little markings, im about to send this to HTC
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8945/schla4.jpg)
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9623/schla1.jpg)
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6792/schla2.jpg)
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Now that I have some clear views of the top, I think your camo demarcation on the wings is a bit off....
It's way too ragged and splotchy. They actually put a pattern to it most of the time. It was like a waveform pattern. Best seen in your previous picture here:
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8763/swastika2b.jpg
Sort of seen on this modern replica (but they placed it too low):
http://www.taphilo.com/photo/pictures/bf109/bf-109-G14-replica.jpg
Wartime example:
http://www.adlertag.de/bilder/me109g6_3.gif
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nice skin Dutch
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Great skin DutchGuy! The G14AS does not have the bulges like the regular G14 does, will they still accept this?
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I meant from an internet profile/color plate perspective, as well as a model boxart perspective...
There has been swastika censorship in the form of OMISSION for many many decades, but this "replace it with a diamond" business is specifically recent (past 10 years give or take) and on the Internet (regarding color profiles and artwork, etc) it is localized and seems to center around a minority of artists.
Very specifically, these are the sources he is using for his inspiration to put a black diamond on the skin, so very specifically I am talking about them.
NOT the general swastika removal that we've seen since post-WW2. I'm not talking about that.
The practice for the diamond may have been around a lot longer than you might think based off this photo.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/190_USA.jpg)
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Dutch, put the Swastika on the tail and you're golden with this skin. Believe me, it was there.
perdweeb
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Dutch, put the Swastika on the tail and you're golden with this skin. Believe me, it was there.
perdweeb
Swastikas are not allowed in the game. The question is whether to replace it with nothing or with a black diamond. The common practice in-game is to simply leave the space blank.
Regards,
Hammer
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Not allowe you say? Explain the Brewster please.
perdweeb
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Not allowe you say? Explain the Brewster please.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,108751.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,108751.0.html)
Regards,
Hammer
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What is behind “3” on the top right on the first pic? And this the triangle marking on the far left of the “3” in the right place in the second pic?
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If it's a triangle, it's a fill-spout indicator, meaning behind this removable patch you can fill up precious fluids. The one you're thinking of is fuel. It's yellow. Some red ones are for oil (and are located on the nose instead of the fuselage). There is a number inside the triangle for the fuel required of this plane, B2, C3, etc.
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If it's a triangle, it's a fill-spout indicator, meaning behind this removable patch you can fill up precious fluids. The one you're thinking of is fuel. It's yellow. Some red ones are for oil (and are located on the nose instead of the fuselage). There is a number inside the triangle for the fuel required of this plane, B2, C3, etc.
OK, but is it in the right spot in the second pic where you can not see it on the first pic. and what is that marking slightly being cover by the "3" in the first pic, top right?
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Can you copy/paste the URL of the images in question?? I'm not sure what you're asking about.
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Can you copy/paste the URL of the images in question?? I'm not sure what you're asking about.
I will get to that as soon as photobucket is back up and running, but here is some good image of is AC.
http://www.sandyair.com/index.php?page=me-109-g-14 (http://www.sandyair.com/index.php?page=me-109-g-14)
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I don't think that's a very good representation of the aircraft in it's WW2 state. It's a frankenstein made from spare parts after the fact.
If you're talking about the small blue circle on the starboard side (and the smaller red one next to it) they are power connectors so that the aircraft can have power while on the ground, and to recharge batteries and whatnot. Although, these seem to have been less visibly marked in later planes and on a G14 they wouldn't show up like that at all.
As for the position of the fill point, this moved from plane to plane, it would be one place on a D, another on an E-4, another on an F-4, etc. It is possible they just took any old tail/fuselage structure and tacked it onto this plane, or even used another plane fuselage to recreate the G14, and that could mean it's not really a G14.
In short: The skin has the position correct, from what I've seen in other places.
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I don't think that's a very good representation of the aircraft in it's WW2 state. It's a frankenstein made from spare parts after the fact.
If you're talking about the small blue circle on the starboard side (and the smaller red one next to it) they are power connectors so that the aircraft can have power while on the ground, and to recharge batteries and whatnot. Although, these seem to have been less visibly marked in later planes and on a G14 they wouldn't show up like that at all.
As for the position of the fill point, this moved from plane to plane, it would be one place on a D, another on an E-4, another on an F-4, etc. It is possible they just took any old tail/fuselage structure and tacked it onto this plane, or even used another plane fuselage to recreate the G14, and that could mean it's not really a G14.
In short: The skin has the position correct, from what I've seen in other places.
Yea, i notice the "3" was red not green. But on the fill point, i notice some G-14 are in one place and other s farther down the fuselage.
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Here is what i am talking about. What is that marking?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/109G14.jpg)
Would that marking be this marking below?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/109G143.jpg)
Would that marking on the first pic be what is on this skin profile?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/109g144.jpg)
And this skin profile.
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/109g145.jpg)
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Good point oakranger, this is what is send to HTC:
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5613/jg300.jpg)
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<drool>
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Funny thing about those decals.... It should only be on one side of the fuselage. Lol!
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Funny thing about those decals.... It should only be on one side of the fuselage. Lol!
HA, i just notice that too.
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What decals are you guys talking about now? :headscratch:
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What decals are you guys talking about now? :headscratch:
The fourth pic in black and white. Right above the "3" you will see a tirangle marking. They have it on both sides of the AC, where it should only be on one side.
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Looks so much more detailed than other skins impressive.
WTG Dutch :salute
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Just beautiful Dutch, beautiful!
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Great Work!
Looks realy rich detailed! Will fly it :)
:cheers: