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Title: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: jeffdn on April 29, 2013, 11:39:18 PM
I'd not seen this before. Thought it was pretty neat.

(http://i.imgur.com/tGj9BIg.jpg)

It doesn't look like it has the 13mm machine guns, but it also doesn't have guns built into the wing. Maybe an F or early G model?
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Zacherof on April 29, 2013, 11:47:48 PM
My $0.02 is that it's a G. I'm not all that an expert tho
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: MiloMorai on April 30, 2013, 07:46:40 AM
Also notice the air filter on the intake. So would have been captured in NA most likely.

Tho not clear enough, it appears to have external armoured wind screen.

Bf109F-4/Z Trop would be my guess.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Devil 505 on April 30, 2013, 10:59:53 AM
It's a late G-2 trop or G-4 trop.

It has the thick canopy frames, aux oil cooling scoops on the cowling, and the fixed tail wheel.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Wmaker on April 30, 2013, 11:05:16 AM
Definately a G. Spoked wheels suggests an early G.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Zacherof on April 30, 2013, 12:25:32 PM
 :headscratch: hmm I was just looking at the airscrew and the cowling. I'll pat myself on the back for this one. :cheers:
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: colmbo on April 30, 2013, 03:39:22 PM
The 31st FG had a Macchi they were using as a hack, I think they also had a 109 the "aquired" and used for pilot fam.  This might be that airplane.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Stampf on April 30, 2013, 03:44:30 PM

That's a G-2 Trop...captured in Benghazi in 1942.

If you want the full story...PM me.

Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: jeffdn on April 30, 2013, 05:40:39 PM
Here's another photo of it I found:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WeSBvNcf9Jw/T0C7K0dfYuI/AAAAAAAAFXQ/STgUGR9YBtQ/s1600/Bf+109G-2Trop.jpg)
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: RTHolmes on April 30, 2013, 07:04:39 PM
That's a G-2 Trop...captured in Benghazi in 1942.

If you want the full story...PM me.

post it! I'm sure theres plenty here who would appreciate it :aok
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Oldman731 on April 30, 2013, 09:24:49 PM
I'd not seen this before. Thought it was pretty neat.  It doesn't look like it has the 13mm machine guns, but it also doesn't have guns built into the wing. Maybe an F or early G model?


Dan:  Is this the one Earl's squadron rebuilt?

- oldman
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Stampf on May 01, 2013, 12:21:27 PM
post it! I'm sure theres plenty here who would appreciate it :aok

Captured by the 79th FG.  This 109 was a G-2 Trop, coded '14' (black) and named 'Irmgard'. (So-named after the crew-chief's girlfriend.) Here's a few more shots of this ship, for anyone who may be interested.
 

As captured:
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m170/LWMTC1/USAC/Bf109001b.jpg)

Repainted:
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m170/LWMTC1/USAC/Captured001.jpg)
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m170/LWMTC1/USAC/bf109g2trop_full.jpg)

With 87th FS emblem: Here she is with an 87th FS emblem on the fuselage. This was applied to both sides. This emblem was eventually replaced by that of the 86th FS, shown in the next photo.
 
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m170/LWMTC1/USAC/Bf109a.jpg)

At Wright Field: 'Irmgard' eventually wound up at Wright Field and is seen here undergoing static testing. Note the replacement port wing. The original port wing can be seen off to the side, behind the tail.
 
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m170/LWMTC1/USAC/PG-158.jpg)

In the field:
(http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/your-completed-kits/179931d1317854532t-captured-butcher-bird-captured109.jpg)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/109G2.jpg)


All sides flew 'turncoat' aircraft during the war.  They often got some very cool paint jobs, and their history is always fascinating.


There is a whole bunch of info and pics of this aircraft in the '79th FG history' by Don Woerpel, for anyone who is interested in more detail.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: jeffdn on May 01, 2013, 12:26:30 PM
It's amazing how similar it looks to those P-51Bs in your second-to-last photograph!
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Stampf on May 01, 2013, 12:30:37 PM
It's amazing how similar it looks to those P-51Bs in your second-to-last photograph!

Are those 51's...or 40's?

Either way...yes...all the in line engine aircraft basically shared the same thin, sleek profile.  With the exception of say...the 190D series that mounted a round radiator...thus given the impression of a radial powerplant, but in reality...water cooled in line.

Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: tunnelrat on May 01, 2013, 12:46:18 PM
Are those 51's...or 40's?


Tail says P-40

Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Volron on May 02, 2013, 09:34:29 PM
Tail says P-40



Whole plane screams it. :lol
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: homersipes on May 02, 2013, 09:40:53 PM
tail and nose say p40, I can see the rudder line and is different from the 51 :D
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Guppy35 on May 04, 2013, 08:53:56 AM

Dan:  Is this the one Earl's squadron rebuilt?

- oldman

Nope. Many of the MTO Groups had 109 "hacks". Some had 190s also.  Off the top I believe the 33rd and 79th had 190s as well as 109s.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: william442 on May 04, 2013, 09:58:22 AM
Oh boy. Another proof of how American's aren't really good at anything.
(Stealing technology, claiming that it is their own.)
diddly this country.

Germany really was superior; This is true since it took the whole world to bring them down.

Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Stampf on May 04, 2013, 10:09:22 AM
Nope. Many of the MTO Groups had 109 "hacks". Some had 190s also.  Off the top I believe the 33rd and 79th had 190s as well as 109s.

They did.  79th had a sweet 190A that they painted bright red.

Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Zoney on May 04, 2013, 10:50:34 AM
Oh boy. Another proof of how American's aren't really good at anything.
(Stealing technology, claiming that it is their own.)
diddly this country.

Germany really was superior; This is true since it took the whole world to bring them down.



Yeah, thats it America sucks so much, that's why so many immigrate here so they can suck too I guess.  You are always free to immigrate away.  Buh bye.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Karnak on May 04, 2013, 10:53:13 AM
Oh boy. Another proof of how American's aren't really good at anything.
(Stealing technology, claiming that it is their own.)
diddly this country.

Germany really was superior; This is true since it took the whole world to bring them down.


:rofl

The Soviet "untermensch" would have done it by themselves. It just would have taken longer.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Guppy35 on May 04, 2013, 08:48:24 PM
Oh boy. Another proof of how American's aren't really good at anything.
(Stealing technology, claiming that it is their own.)
diddly this country.

Germany really was superior; This is true since it took the whole world to bring them down.



You gotta get out of your momma's basement and leave her computer alone.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: MiloMorai on May 05, 2013, 11:58:19 AM
You gotta get out of your momma's basement and leave her computer alone.

He is a graduate of the School of Kurfurst-Crumpp. :devil
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Lusche on May 05, 2013, 12:40:12 PM
Oh boy. Another proof of how American's aren't really good at anything.
(Stealing technology, claiming that it is their own.)
diddly this country.

Germany really was superior; This is true since it took the whole world to bring them down.




Thanks for a hearty laugh on a boring sunday  :aok
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: BoilerDown on May 05, 2013, 08:52:09 PM
Obvious troll was not obvious enough it would seem.  Troll is now well fed.  Good job guys, and welcome to the intertubes.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Plawranc on May 06, 2013, 12:48:11 AM
I say it time and time again, but all I hear is boisterous patriotism.

But, just for the fun of it.

"The Germans lost WW2, on June 22nd 1941"
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Guppy35 on May 06, 2013, 08:51:39 PM
Dug through the group histories.

79th FG 190s
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Bilby%20Bits%20B10%20Jacket/79th190s_zps21f4a2e2.jpg)

57th had at least 2 109s
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Bilby%20Bits%20B10%20Jacket/57th109GTrop_zpsaaeb9ad3.jpg)

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Bilby%20Bits%20B10%20Jacket/57th109G_zps60f3c5ae.jpg)

33rd had a 190 and 3 109s
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Bilby%20Bits%20B10%20Jacket/33rdFG190_zps0a8d04a6.jpg)

one of the three 109s
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Bilby%20Bits%20B10%20Jacket/33rd109G_zps9d9efc54.jpg)
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 06, 2013, 09:23:01 PM
Oh boy. Another proof of how American's aren't really good at anything.
(Stealing technology, claiming that it is their own.)
diddly this country.

Germany really was superior; This is true since it took the whole world to bring them down.



Schlowy is that you?

ack-ack
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: MK-84 on May 06, 2013, 10:15:29 PM
Schlowy is that you?

ack-ack

Perhaps 442's can be cloned now. :eek:
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Guppy35 on May 06, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
Perhaps 442's can be cloned now. :eek:

The 442 lacks any original thinking.  A poor ignorant man's attempt at cleverness I guess.  Epic in it's failure.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: smoe on May 07, 2013, 08:41:47 AM
Oh boy. Another proof of how American's aren't really good at anything.
(Stealing technology, claiming that it is their own.)
diddly this country.

Germany really was superior; This is true since it took the whole world to bring them down.



Germany is so good they will surely hold the title of losing two world wars in a row which will probably outlive mankind.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: fullmetalbullet on May 07, 2013, 09:23:16 AM
do the skins count as fair game use in AH? i dont know what HiTechs rules are for turn coat aircraft. but i would love to skin one and use it. i have been getting into the 109s lately. so would love to have US marking on them. :D
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Wiley on May 07, 2013, 10:24:27 AM
do the skins count as fair game use in AH?

Unfortunately, no captured skins are allowed.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: Stampf on May 07, 2013, 10:47:43 AM
Schlowy is that you?

ack-ack

That made me laugh.   :aok

Title: Re: Neat photograph of a Bf-109 in American markings
Post by: ScottyK on May 09, 2013, 10:53:41 PM
 German planes with US markings look ugly  :uhoh