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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kazaa on July 12, 2007, 02:42:08 PM
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For just a week, day or even one hour :D. Please :(
, Kazaa.
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Bring Back The MA?
Did I miss something? Waddayamean "bring back". Last time I checked they were still there.
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:aok If just for 10 minutes with the Fighter Town map... That's all... No blood, no kidney, no lungs... Just 10 minutes with my favorite map of all time...
And maybe 20 minutes of night flying, too... But I don't care which map that is...
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Yeah bring back night flying:aok
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Yes!!
Can you also set a server aside that would run the AH1 version of the MA only available to paying subscribers?
Pretty please? :)
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Bring Back The MA
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Why not bring back the MA, one arena then run the war according to history.
Each month in this one MAIN Arena, we start MA with the Early war era then as the war progress we would move onto MID war era and for the final push to secure victory we all finish up with the LATE war era.
This approach I strong believe will satisfy all the waring sides.
Don't you all agree..
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Originally posted by jedi25
Don't you all agree..
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Originally posted by jedi25
Why not bring back the MA, one arena then run the war according to history.
Each month in this one MAIN Arena, we start MA with the Early war era then as the war progress we would move onto MID war era and for the final push to secure victory we all finish up with the LATE war era.
This approach I strong believe will satisfy all the waring sides.
Don't you all agree..
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WW2OL does this. It was one of the reasons that makes WW2OL suck so bad
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Combine EW/MW into 1 arena and only 1 LW arena with larger playground and the older and larger maps?
(too popular an idea, won't ever happen......)
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Originally posted by Kazaa
For just a week, day or even one hour :D. Please :(
, Kazaa.
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Oh goody !!!!! ANOTHER lets vote to get the old MA back thread !!! I just love these!!!
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please and thank you.
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Help me out here cause I don't get it.
You want a bigger map with more people in it why?
More bases to take? Is this a we need more territory to conquer so we can do it all over again plea?
How many people can you fight at one time? One big dar bar meets another big dar bar. A fight ensues with the battle going back and forth between the bases. The airfields looks pretty much the same. The towns do to?
Do you gents really look at the scenery when you are flying?
What can't you do right now that you could do on some other larger map with 1000 people on it?
A fight's a fight. Things seem to be working just fine to me as I can find a fight any time I get to fly. I sure see bases getting taken. The Tankers are doing their thing. The Buffs are doing their thing. The PT boats are doing their thing.
The only thing that's changed that I can see is that the horde isn't as large, which to me is a good thing.
I guess that means I vote NO
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Originally posted by trax1
Yeah bring back night flying:aok
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Aces%20High/SEA109EvSpit1night.jpg)
:D :D :D
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Help me out here cause I don't get it.
You want a bigger map with more people in it why?
More bases to take? Is this a we need more territory to conquer so we can do it all over again plea?
How many people can you fight at one time? One big dar bar meets another big dar bar. A fight ensues with the battle going back and forth between the bases. The airfields looks pretty much the same. The towns do to?
Do you gents really look at the scenery when you are flying?
What can't you do right now that you could do on some other larger map with 1000 people on it?
A fight's a fight. Things seem to be working just fine to me as I can find a fight any time I get to fly. I sure see bases getting taken. The Tankers are doing their thing. The Buffs are doing their thing. The PT boats are doing their thing.
The only thing that's changed that I can see is that the horde isn't as large, which to me is a good thing.
I guess that means I vote NO
Who would have thought "Dan" would be the voice of reason !!!
I don't care what you say Dan, I'm NOT going to quit !!
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Originally posted by Guppy35
A fight's a fight. Things seem to be working just fine to me as I can find a fight any time I get to fly.
You just don't get it, even after all these months.
The fight isn't the point. Resetting the map is the point. The fights are only incidental to resetting the map. How else are you going to know who won?
- oldman (geez. kids today.....)
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Originally posted by Oldman731
The fights are only incidental to resetting the map.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
No.
Suppose you old drunky.
The answer is Yes Bring Back MA.
And let the crying sissys who cant survive in MA fly in EW.
Let MA players fly in their MA, and let EW players flying in their too.
So all will be satisfied.
Orange and blue separation is a fatal mistake who must be corrected.
The only profit is angry players (with no time) who wait to play
or they dont wait and go for ever.
They must mixed in one MA.
Only this one correction will fix everything.
Disable MW arena and mix Blue and Orange in the new MA.
Easy thing, and all will be satisfied because all have what they want.
If someone is not satisfied its only because he dont look his own bussines
but he wants to affect my way of play and fly,
and thats because he cant accept that he suck.
HadesEE Hades55 HaDeSs
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last night the FoSGs were in the blue I think. there were about two dozen or so of them attempting to steamroll bases. with such few numbers (they can barely take undefended bases with three squads) they were easily checked in their mad dash to conquer the cartoon world. the FoSGs had to conform themselves with vultching running to ack, each others comforting arms and smack typing.
as it was I think everyone had fun defending against them and their sycophants. the FoSGs were whining loudly and often signifying their happiness as well.
a good time was had by all and the brilliance of HTC's plan in separating the arenas was once again displayed.
good job HTC thanks for your forward thinking.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Help me out here cause I don't get it.
What can't you do right now that you could do on some other larger map with 1000 people on it?
1. All of the large maps accomodated all types of play, be it vehicle battles, CV battles, buffing or furballing. Many of the smaller maps do not. Try to find a good GV battle on NDIsles outside of tank town, try high alt buffing in Beta, try CVing in Mid-Mesa. You can't, therefore when those maps are in play those styles of play are out. Other cases exist and when the same map is up in all arenas and doesn't support your preferred style of play it can be frustrating.
2. Avoid the over-crowding/ganging. On the big maps people were able to spread out. You could fly to specific areas for the furball or others for some good one-on-ones. With the overcrowded small maps a good one-on-one is a true rarity. Being ganged is the norm. Similarily, milkrunners didn't get their own arenas. They had to co-exist with the rest of the player base, therefore there were others out spoiling the milk.
3. The maps were generally more diverse. We've lost fighter town, the protected tank town, those long runs of VB's away from from most airfields, multiple CV task groups, in-land rivers and many other features that added to the game. Few of these features can be accomodated on the smaller maps due to size/space considerations.
4. NOE missions. I never do them but others enjoyed this aspect of the game. It's a near impossibility now with the overcrowding. There is rarely an element of surprise in the existing arenas.
There's a few and I'm sure I'll think of a few more.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
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1. All of the large maps accomodated all types of play, be it vehicle battles, CV battles, buffing or furballing. Many of the smaller maps do not. Try to find a good GV battle on NDIsles outside of tank town, try high alt buffing in Beta, try CVing in Mid-Mesa. You can't, therefore when those maps are in play those styles of play are out. Other cases exist and when the same map is up in all arenas and doesn't support your preferred style of play it can be frustrating.
2. Avoid the over-crowding/ganging. On the big maps people were able to spread out. You could fly to specific areas for the furball or others for some good one-on-ones. With the overcrowded small maps a good one-on-one is a true rarity. Being ganged is the norm. Similarily, milkrunners didn't get their own arenas. They had to co-exist with the rest of the player base, therefore there were others out spoiling the milk.
3. The maps were generally more diverse. We've lost fighter town, the protected tank town, those long runs of VB's away from from most airfields, multiple CV task groups, in-land rivers and many other features that added to the game. Few of these features can be accomodated on the smaller maps due to size/space considerations.
4. NOE missions. I never do them but others enjoyed this aspect of the game. It's a near impossibility now with the overcrowding. There is rarely an element of surprise in the existing arenas.
There's a few and I'm sure I'll think of a few more.
I agree with every point you made, BaldEagl.
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I much preferred our old single MA and our older larger terrains even when certain squads were steam rolling. Wasn't like the hoarding or steam rolls were every 5 minutes or even every day. There seemed to be lots to do at any given point.
The guys that didn't like it or were verbal about it, were the guys that played for 20 minutes to a hour a night. Moans about "no fights" were common but only because it was to much trouble for these guys to actually spend 10 mins getting to an enemy base. THEY never THOUGHT of or more to the point PROMOTED side switching back then :rolleyes:
I'm indifferent to side switchers so long as they don't hinder the side they switched from i.e cv position or engaging a know NOE raid.
Then we get to HTC side of the point. Why it was actually split. Obviously he wants to increase the player base which in turn increases revenue. I don't blame him for that. He has an outstanding business and I hope his endeavors are fruitful but it's close to a year now with the split. Close to or maybe even longer with the USA TV advert campaign. I have yet to see 1,000 players. There hasn't been a significant increase in players. Then again I don't have the true figures and I'm not asking for them. It's just that we witnessed some leave and some come back. We see newbies arrive daily and leave daily. Some do indeed stay put the vast majority bail even before it's time to cough up the money. Maybe a tutorial or step by step pass ya wings things would be more customer catching than a "bling TV advert".....who knows.
So we're here doing our thing with same old small maps, with the same old problem of arena caps, with the same old ENY (counter to what it was supposed to do) problem when there's a sniff of a reset and all this without any, that I have witnessed to, SIGNIFICANT player number increase. We seem to hovering around the 800-ish mark at peak times.
We did see a reduction in puffy ack. As a puffy ack magnets I welcomed that. Then we got more field ack which in turn almost guarantees a "Hoard" attack which was / is frowned upon. Then we got new style terrain which I also welcomed but it probably has sealed the fate of the older larger terrains. They would all have to be re-done I guess.
The only thing for sure is this. If it makes sense it won't happen. If you so much as put it to print it won't happen.
Us "bread and butter" subscribers us long standing players don't need to be listened to, as much as being given a bleeding medal:D
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Bring back the old MA - One MA where everyone can just gangbang the hell out of each other!!!
Never struggled to find a fight with the old setup :/
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Originally posted by LYNX
I much preferred our old single MA and our older larger terrains even when certain squads were steam rolling. Wasn't like the hoarding or steam rolls were every 5 minutes or even every day. There seemed to be lots to do at any given point.
The guys that didn't like it or were verbal about it, were the guys that played for 20 minutes to a hour a night. Moans about "no fights" were common but only because it was to much trouble for these guys to actually spend 10 mins getting to an enemy base. THEY never THOUGHT of or more to the point PROMOTED side switching back then :rolleyes:
I'm indifferent to side switchers so long as they don't hinder the side they switched from i.e cv position or engaging a know NOE raid.
Then we get to HTC side of the point. Why it was actually split. Obviously he wants to increase the player base which in turn increases revenue. I don't blame him for that. He has an outstanding business and I hope his endeavors are fruitful but it's close to a year now with the split. Close to or maybe even longer with the USA TV advert campaign. I have yet to see 1,000 players. There hasn't been a significant increase in players. Then again I don't have the true figures and I'm not asking for them. It's just that we witnessed some leave and some come back. We see newbies arrive daily and leave daily. Some do indeed stay put the vast majority bail even before it's time to cough up the money. Maybe a tutorial or step by step pass ya wings things would be more customer catching than a "bling TV advert".....who knows.
So we're here doing our thing with same old small maps, with the same old problem of arena caps, with the same old ENY (counter to what it was supposed to do) problem when there's a sniff of a reset and all this without any, that I have witnessed to, SIGNIFICANT player number increase. We seem to hovering around the 800-ish mark at peak times.
We did see a reduction in puffy ack. As a puffy ack magnets I welcomed that. Then we got more field ack which in turn almost guarantees a "Hoard" attack which was / is frowned upon. Then we got new style terrain which I also welcomed but it probably has sealed the fate of the older larger terrains. They would all have to be re-done I guess.
The only thing for sure is this. If it makes sense it won't happen. If you so much as put it to print it won't happen.
Us "bread and butter" subscribers us long standing players don't need to be listened to, as much as being given a bleeding medal:D
As eloquent, accurate and poignant a post as I've ever seen.:aok
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Originally posted by HaDeSs
Suppose you old drunky.
The answer is Yes Bring Back MA.
And let the crying sissys who cant survive in MA fly in EW.
Let MA players fly in their MA, and let EW players flying in their too.
So all will be satisfied.
Orange and blue separation is a fatal mistake who must be corrected.
The only profit is angry players (with no time) who wait to play
or they dont wait and go for ever.
They must mixed in one MA.
Only this one correction will fix everything.
Disable MW arena and mix Blue and Orange in the new MA.
Easy thing, and all will be satisfied because all have what they want.
If someone is not satisfied its only because he dont look his own bussines
but he wants to affect my way of play and fly,
and thats because he cant accept that he suck.
HadesEE Hades55 HaDeSs
Your parents really shouldn't let you play on the internet.
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hate to be a party pooper, but i really dont see why we should change it back.
the only people who have been affected for the worse are those who play for rank, it seems.
S!
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HTC profits are the determining factor in doing anything. It is a commercial enterprise I believe. If the company's healthy with profits on the rise then they're on the right track business wise. If not, time for a change. Whichever way it is going in that sense only they know best. I preferred the "old days" too and play far less often these days. But I'm only one subscriber and I still maintain my subscription. I'd like to see the MA back too but business is business.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
hate to be a party pooper, but i really dont see why we should change it back.
the only people who have been affected for the worse are those who play for rank, it seems.
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Bollocks comes to mind when I think of your line for those most affected.
You have your opinion of rank it seems but if you are playing for rank it's a paradise now. So many arenas and some of them near empty it's paradise for repeated stuka runs, repeated GV runs, near unhindered field captures in C47 and M3's. If you have the time for damage sortie even strat bashing in Lancs or perhaps a quick change of sides to stuka your old CV.
Big hairy gonads mate. If you like the split set up fine. State why you do. Don't try and insinuate with FALSE propaganda it's rank players whinging on.
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Originally posted by Irwink!
HTC profits are the determining factor in doing anything. It is a commercial enterprise I believe. If the company's healthy with profits on the rise then they're on the right track business wise. If not, time for a change. Whichever way it is going in that sense only they know best. I preferred the "old days" too and play far less often these days. But I'm only one subscriber and I still maintain my subscription. I'd like to see the MA back too but business is business.
Can't resist the pun.....thats the bottom line of it.
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It is interpersonal relationships...go figure.
Furballers don't care about the "eye-candy"...do they?
Nor do the Bomber Pilots...do they?
And JABO pilots are simply hoping that others in their Country will
appreciate the returns that their efforts afford.
GVers...like "eye candy"...until they can't see and wonder how they got killed.
It's not Maps, Folks....
It's about us, and how we interact.
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I think this whine jumped ahead of other whines that were normally scheduled.
I think the HO shot is scheduled next followed by the L-gay whine which is to be followed by the map rotation whine.
THEN it's time for the 'Bring Back the MA' whine.
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dunno.
i was paying for it one way and ENY kicked in without any real notice. and i was suddenly given something different. but i kept paying because i liked the game and it seemed like a small thing.
then, i was paying for a game with one main arena and one day it changed again without notice and i found that i had paid for 4 arenas instead, but i kept paying, even tho i suddenly wasnt getting what i had paid for when i subscribed because i had hope that it would get better.
then one day i logged on and couldnt get onto the country that i wanted to because a new system was being tested. once again, without any notice...and
i couldnt get on with my squad when i only had and hour to play.
and then one day the terrain turned into this dark combobulous murk for several weeks without any notice and...
i have kept paying.
wish the changes could be something like different terrains or maps or something...at least then it would be additive rather than subtractive.
now, i don't get to fly nearly as much as i would like, and when i do i find myself tired of finding new changes to what had been a good thing that happen again without any notice...and without and real sense or appearant concern about the general feeling that the community has with regards to the changes...
same small maps over and over. no more fights to win wars. squads broken up...gameplay changes.
the list goes on.
it's pretty disappointing and it's lost so much of it's luster for me because of it.
so i suppose that someday we will actually get the b-25 that we voted for in april...and someday we will get the TOD or CT or whatever it is that has been in developement since well before i came here. maybe then all will be well and the clouds will part and we all see the light.
and maybe someday HTC will honor it's commitment when it takes my money and gives me what i paid for for the short periods that i paid for it...or at the very least give a little notice before it starts throwing wrenches into the gears.
and maybe someday we will get a fix for the arenas...somehow.
but im not holding my breath anymore.
maybe i am really just losing interest.
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Originally posted by JB88
without any notice...and without and real sense or appearant concern about the general feeling that the community has with regards to the changes...
It's not clear that the general community has the same feeling as those who say they want the One True Arena back. Most of the people who prefer the current setup probably aren't posting here. And most of the people who play the game never post here.
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LOL "When decent threads go Bad." Geez, a bunch of folks tearing this idea up, like two coyotes fighting over a maggot ridden carcass. :rofl
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you may be correct that lots dont post here, but i doubt that the posters here are that far off from reflecting the general attitude of the whole.
just talking with people "in game" gives me the same impression. there is alot of frustration. there has been for a while now. it's really getting in the way for me.
so there is that.
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Originally posted by Turbo10
:aok TO MA AND NIGHT FIGHTING!
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If you vote more than once does this thread loose any relevence???
In any event
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I had the entire week of the 4th of July off with no plans to go anywhere. It was one of those use it or lose it vacation deals so I took the week off really looking forward to spending a good portion of it playing, escpecially because it was the beginning of a new camp.
Well, it's not like I didn't play at all. I averaged 4 hours per day but I average 3 when I'm working all week. I'd log on, look through the arenas, all with the same map, none changing for days on end and log back off.
When I did stay on my choices were to join a furball, fly pointlessly for hours looking for a fight outside the furball, or fly to the enemy to get ganged.
I watched a lot of movies, played other computer games, got a few naps in and otherwise relaxed but was dissapointed that this game couldn't lure me to play.
True story but I even got more engrossed in a game of Sim City Classic one night than AHII! Now that's a sad commentary on AHII. Hmm... might have to try Pong next time.
Nope... still not going anywhere.
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What a diffrence in majority opinion 6 months can make. i remeber when so many ppl got their tongues out and sung praises of the new arena system, but now common sense has been restored.
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leave EW and MW alone and combine both late wars to a single MA....just do it for a weekend and see how it goes
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What this thread really sounds like is.....
No matter what HTC does, I'm not gonna be happy because I'm not happy unless I'm complaining....
That or it's a classic the grass is always greener on the other side thread, which is the same thing
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Originally posted by Guppy35
What this thread really sounds like is.....
No matter what HTC does, I'm not gonna be happy because I'm not happy unless I'm complaining....
That or it's a classic the grass is always greener on the other side thread, which is the same thing
i think that is just silly for you to say that guppy.
there are alot of great things about this game that many of the posters here have stated...but that shouldnt disqualify those same people from expressing their feelings about what they see as a mistake on the part of HTC.
it certainly isn't a minority opinion and i find myself scratching my head that one might so easilly misconstrue the effort that it takes to try to get something changed with the effort that it takes to be miserable.
on my part at least, i would much rather spend time lauding HTC for their efforts. they have done alot of great work...but the arena situation is terrible. it just is. why stay quiet about it?
why not expect even better things from a talented group like these guys?
is it unreasonable to ask to get something back that is sorely missed?
as far as my view, the arenas and the constant changes without notice are
just bad all around and unworthy of the rest of the efforts that this company has made.
i have been around long enough to feel that i deserve to speak my mind about it without concern for how it "appears"
anywho.
i havent played more than an hour in the past few weeks.
its like groundhog day in there.
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The key to things here, is there are a bunch of people, telling HTC how to run their show. We don't like the decisions you made, and we want it our way.
At one point do folks accept that just maybe, these folks who've done this work for far longer then the rest of us have been flying, might just have a clue as to where they want there game and their business to go?
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Originally posted by Guppy35
The key to things here, is there are a bunch of people, telling HTC how to run their show. We don't like the decisions you made, and we want it our way.
When did anyone in this thread ever tell HTC how to run the show? No one ever said Hitech you HAVE TO do it this way. We all would like it done our own ways, but I think most of use here realize we don't call the shots we can only ask for certain things.
But like JB88 said the Arena setup as is is horrible and needs addressing.
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you may be correct that lots dont post here, but i doubt that the posters here are that far off from reflecting the general attitude of the whole.
OOhh, I hate chiming in on these things, but here goes.
Next Plane Vote ring a bell?
The General Consensus on These Boards didn't quite work out, did it? In Game voted, but didn't voice it here. Consider that for a moment, and also consider that this board is Not, by far, the only means of interaction that HTC has with it's player base.
I think I'll defer to the notion that it's a Possibility that HTC knows what they are doing.
The Old MA would NOT have supported the total amount of players that log in between all the MAs during peak times.
Sorry, but I think you're just going to have to get used to that and move on.
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Originally posted by Husky01
When did anyone in this thread ever tell HTC how to run the show? No one ever said Hitech you HAVE TO do it this way. We all would like it done our own ways, but I think most of use here realize we don't call the shots we can only ask for certain things.
But like JB88 said the Arena setup as is is horrible and needs addressing.
Well if its SO Bad why is everyone still Paying the 15 bucks a month.
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Crims
479th Raiders FG
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Your parents really shouldn't let you play on the internet.
Well im 46. Maybe i need to ask my self if i let me play :) ( i dont play, i fly
even if it is a sim).
By the way, bring back MA.
And the suckers who whine, l..s and other sissys,
who they was crying for years for a EW arena and now who they took it
they fly alone if they fly at all.
1, 2, or 50 EW arenas, they suck and they will always do.
They whine because they cant accept that they suck.
Have you ever listen Drex or Levi whine about being outnumbered?
A real furballer dont need EW or MW or LW or even MAs.
He fight everywhere every time he find enemies, what ever arena.
But together with their whines they succeded to destroy our MA and our
fun.
And when i say *our* i mean more than 90% of players or maybe more.
It is realy time for HT to *start* listen the big base of MA players.
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Originally posted by crims
Well if its SO Bad why is everyone still Paying the 15 bucks a month.
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Crims
479th Raiders FG
Cause its the only thing out there of its kind. Quick large furballs.
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I would say if there are those who want low capped arenas, have one for them! by all means! most of us would prefer the variety, pace and gameplay an uncapped arena would provide
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Originally posted by Guppy35
What this thread really sounds like is.....
No matter what HTC does, I'm not gonna be happy because I'm not happy unless I'm complaining....
That or it's a classic the grass is always greener on the other side thread, which is the same thing
Your opinion is as valid as those opinions put before you. Why not test your theory..... ask the thread question peak time on 200 in any MA ? Your aware that only 1% post here of the 4% of total player base registered with the forums. I'll wager you'll get even greater YES's on 200. Even more green pasture seekers.
Don't get me wrong I believe it's a thankless task for HTC no matter what he does but many of us preferred it as it was. Jesus even after a year folks are still pissy about it. That has to mean something.
I hope the player base is growing but I don't see the "Significant" increases even after a nearly a year. I hope HTC is making significantly more money than he was a year ago. I also hope the faithful customers the "bread and butter" subscribers get a crack at a larger old terrain. Doesn't have to be all TOD. Doesn't have to stay until it's reset. A week would do. New guys might like it to. All I'm asking for is every now and then just to keep us amused.
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Originally posted by Husky01
When did anyone in this thread ever tell HTC how to run the show? No one ever said Hitech you HAVE TO do it this way. We all would like it done our own ways, but I think most of use here realize we don't call the shots we can only ask for certain things.
But like JB88 said the Arena setup as is is horrible and needs addressing.
You just did tell HTC what they need to do.
"the Arena setup as is is horrible and needs addressing. "
Your words
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Originally posted by JB88
dunno.
i was paying for it one way and ENY kicked in without any real notice. and i was suddenly given something different. but i kept paying because i liked the game and it seemed like a small thing.
then, i was paying for a game with one main arena and one day it changed again without notice and i found that i had paid for 4 arenas instead, but i kept paying, even tho i suddenly wasnt getting what i had paid for when i subscribed because i had hope that it would get better.
then one day i logged on and couldnt get onto the country that i wanted to because a new system was being tested. once again, without any notice...and
i couldnt get on with my squad when i only had and hour to play.
and then one day the terrain turned into this dark combobulous murk for several weeks without any notice and...
i have kept paying.
wish the changes could be something like different terrains or maps or something...at least then it would be additive rather than subtractive.
now, i don't get to fly nearly as much as i would like, and when i do i find myself tired of finding new changes to what had been a good thing that happen again without any notice...and without and real sense or appearant concern about the general feeling that the community has with regards to the changes...
same small maps over and over. no more fights to win wars. squads broken up...gameplay changes.
the list goes on.
it's pretty disappointing and it's lost so much of it's luster for me because of it.
so i suppose that someday we will actually get the b-25 that we voted for in april...and someday we will get the TOD or CT or whatever it is that has been in developement since well before i came here. maybe then all will be well and the clouds will part and we all see the light.
and maybe someday HTC will honor it's commitment when it takes my money and gives me what i paid for for the short periods that i paid for it...or at the very least give a little notice before it starts throwing wrenches into the gears.
and maybe someday we will get a fix for the arenas...somehow.
but im not holding my breath anymore.
maybe i am really just losing interest.
The problem with this post, and most of the others in this thread, is everyone is posting "what they want", and is looking at the situation from "their OWN point of view". The arena split accoplished what it was intended to do other wise it would have been put back the way it was. What was intended with the split? I can't really say, because it would be MY opinion based on what I FEEL. I, like everyone else here have no facts to back up any opinions un less your Hitech, hopefully he knows whats going on :aok
I'm thinking he's doing pretty good, there seems to be more people flying these days, granted most of them are "squeekers" but Im sure a few new "junkies" will get hooked. The maps are boring right now, only because we were spoiled with all the influx of maps at one point. I'm sure some new ones will be made, submitted, and accepted. Untill then, I'll fly around DAN, and pick up anyone I can chasing him down looking for their pound of flesh..... err 38 parts.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
You just did tell HTC what they need to do.
"the Arena setup as is is horrible and needs addressing. "
Your words
I voiced a opinion I didn't tell htc to change it I said it needs to be addressed....thought there was a difference....
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Originally posted by Husky01
I voiced a opinion I didn't tell htc to change it I said it needs to be addressed....thought there was a difference....
LOL. Think about what you said
The arena set up is horrible. (HTC your work sucks and I want it changed)
It needs addressing. (HTC you need to listen to me and fix it.)
As near as I can tell HTC did address arena concerns. This resulted in the set up we have now.
It's interesting to me that I see the change as having done a few things. In particular it's brought the social aspect of the game more to the forefront. It seems to me that was part of what Hitech was trying to promote.
When I go into the arenas there is a recognizable group of people and the interactions between players has become much more respectful and enjoyable.
I have yet to have a night where I couldn't find a fight. The horde has become much less of a factor. If anything it feels more like my early days flying in AW in terms of community and personally I'm having a heckuva lot more fun.
I could care less if some guy is so obsessed with points that he milks an empty arena. I don't pay attention to that. It's not part of my fun in the game.
I would suggest that underneath all this bring the MA back stuff is still the wish for the large multisquads to be able to get together and dominate an arena.
And again I'm of the opinion that the change was clearly for the better.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I would suggest that underneath all this bring the MA back stuff is still the wish for the large multisquads to be able to get together and dominate an arena.
And again I'm of the opinion that the change was clearly for the better.
i am not currently in a squad, but i have no problem with them in any way shape or form. a tight nit squad is an incredible experience that you wont find anywhere else and i believe that it should be appreciated for the incredible creature that it is.
as for whether or not it is better. i disagree. and i believe that you are of a small but very vocal minority in your opinion.
that is not to say that there are not benefits to some of what has been implemented....but i wouldnt say that it is spot on by any stretch.
that said, my intention is not to tell HTC what to do. my intention is to address what they have done with the game and express my feelings about it....as a part of a larger community. i am not anti HTC. i dont think that i would still be here 3 years later if i was. i dont get some thrill off of biting on about things that i do not feel strongly about.
as a consumer, i have felt alienated by the constant shifts without warning, the periodic abstract shocks of gain and loss that have rained on this game since i began playing several years ago and the relative distance that HTC seems to be taking with regards to its player base. it almost seems a bunker mentality in some ways.
i just don't think it is a healthy environment anymore and i no longer get the sense that they are enjoying what they do, which is unfortunate, because how many people get to do what they do? how many people would love to?
of course you cant make everyone happy. its not possible. but is it wise to disregard the momentum of discourse entirely?
is it reasonable that i should have to pay in advance for changes that may just pop up? i do....but i have started to resent it a bit.
i remember an AH where there was teamwork. an AH where the war was the thing that sat as an umbrella over all things. you had a bit of everything and everyone doing lots of stuff...but it was all together as one. one community, one war...now it just feels fractured and uncalculated. it feels rushed and unthought out. it feels unsymetrical.
i understand that they are busy working on TOD (CT) but it seems to be at the expense of something that was really special and it's starting to feel like a broken relationship where the communication is no longer a part of the dialouge.
that said, i don't discount your appreciation of the current state of affairs, and i am certain that you are sincere in your views, but must that neccessarilly mean that those who do not share it are simply complainers who have nothing better to do? is it possible that it is the scale of the sentiment that enhances your view?
by saying that i am dissatisfied, i am expressing what i need as a person yes.
but i am also, by setting it with others, i am adding that need to the larger whole. i am also thinking of the others who would like to get as many people behind them as they can so that by some miracle some shift might occur which might actually deliver us from the stalemate of the status quo and into a better compromise.
if lots of people are still saying it after a year...then there just might be something to it. i think that there is.
so if there are alot of us that feel this way... in another view it is actually you who are expressing only what YOU want while discounting the needs of others right?
just saying.
88
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from what I have seen in my time as a HTC subscriber...I do believe player input does play some role into HTC's decision on changes to the game. One way to give input/feedback is these boards. I am not saying that it is the sole or majority stock holder in his decisions, but it does play a part. If people quit posting their thoughts... he loses that input. IMO...if they didnt want any input/thoughts...threads like this would of been closed long ago.
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I'd prefer the old MA setup but the way HTC explained why we have the setup we have now I can understand why we dont and dont forsee it comming back.
That being said.
Two things I think do need to be done
1- Up the cap limit on the arenas substantially in general
2- I think they should at least have it setup so no two arenas ever have the same maps at the same time and possibly list the map name currently in a particular arena in the arena choise menu.
At least in the late war arenas if nothing else
Then you can see what map is in use in what arena and choose accordingly.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Bollocks comes to mind when I think of your line for those most affected.
You have your opinion of rank it seems but if you are playing for rank it's a paradise now. So many arenas and some of them near empty it's paradise for repeated stuka runs, repeated GV runs, near unhindered field captures in C47 and M3's. If you have the time for damage sortie even strat bashing in Lancs or perhaps a quick change of sides to stuka your old CV.
Big hairy gonads mate. If you like the split set up fine. State why you do. Don't try and insinuate with FALSE propaganda it's rank players whinging on.
just my opinion ;)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
The key to things here, is there are a bunch of people, telling HTC how to run their show. We don't like the decisions you made, and we want it our way.
At one point do folks accept that just maybe, these folks who've done this work for far longer then the rest of us have been flying, might just have a clue as to where they want there game and their business to go?
And We pay 15 bucks to have our say on how the product we pay for can be improved to a paying customers liking.
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lol most :aok 's ive ever seen in a thread and i highly agree we need 1 MA for any amount of time pweaty pwease wit a cheewy on top
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I miss fighting for “the war”, not “the wars”
I miss the massive Furballs, where almost every pilots would show their skills and strive to be an Ace in the donut.
I miss the donut!
I miss the massive bomber missions.
I miss half the community in the other arena.
I miss the big maps, where you could find all different kinds of fights.
I miss shooting down strat bombers, now they just go and farm the less populated arena.
I miss the crazy NoE and blitzkrieg tactics that use to be used on a daily basis.
Please feel free to add to this list, if you like.
, Kazaa.
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Originally posted by Laurie
And We pay 15 bucks to have our say on how the product we pay for can be improved to a paying customers liking.
I'm afraid that's not what you pay your 15 bucks for. True, that may be how you view it, but your lost in some misguided self importance.
The truth is you're being charged for the priviledge of flying this sim. Not to have a say so in business decisions.
Do you guys really think all these :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok are going to work and the old MA will really come back?
These Bring back the old MA threads never bring back the old MA. They just rehash the same old arguement.
But since I'm here......................... ........................:aok
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Originally posted by Laurie
And We pay 15 bucks to have our say on how the product we pay for can be improved to a paying customers liking.
AH is a product like any other really. You can choose to buy it or not. HTC has a wishlist and they do listen to the players even if we may not always get what we want because not everyone wants the same thing.
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It has been my observation the HTC does place a great deal of weight on what the players want.
But there is a fine balance and limit as to what the players want. What HTC wants.
And what HTC can actually physically do.
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Originally posted by HaDeSs
By the way, bring back MA.
And the suckers who whine, l..s and other sissys,
who they was crying for years for a EW arena and now who they took it
they fly alone if they fly at all.
1, 2, or 50 EW arenas, they suck and they will always do.
They whine because they cant accept that they suck.
You seem to have a predisposed misconception about who flies the EW and MW arenas. There are some extremely good pilots that fly in the EW and MW arenas. They (and I) don't fly there because we suck, rather we fly there because we enjoy flying those planes and the resultant dogfights. I believe that it takes more 'skill' to fight a good fight in an F4f than an L-Gay.
That isn't to say there aren't people in the EW that are there because they probably couldn't compete in the LW arenas. But to classify all that fly there as you do shows your one-way perspective, lack of perspective, and quite possible your ignorance. Even more so than you disjointed and grammatically incorrect posts.
Originally posted by HaDeSs
Have you ever listen Drex or Levi whine about being outnumbered?
A real furballer dont need EW or MW or LW or even MAs.
He fight everywhere every time he find enemies, what ever arena.
Then I guess you are not a 'real furballer' since you are whining about your precious MA. Can't you find enemies and smite them?
I don't see the logic in correlating the various arenas, Drex and Levi, and a side being outnumbered. Are you supposed to be on any medication that you might have skipped?
Originally posted by HaDeSs
But together with their whines they succeded to destroy our MA and our
fun.
What 'destroyed' the MA was the pervasive culture of the MA itself. The snake ate its own tail, if you will allow the metaphor. Hitech has been extremely concise about it (which is rather interesting and humorous given his spelling).
Perhaps your fun is among the faceless horde? Perhaps it's you who sucks (and is now whining) because you can't hack when you aren't lost among fifty plus pilots.
Perhaps you weren't around when the maximum amount of players in the MA during peak US times (say, Friday or Saturday night) was 120. It was very different back then, and certainly more enjoyable than a massive, faceless, irreverent sea of unintelligible, homogeneous lemmings that overwhelm their opponents by sheer numbers. You may enjoy that, call it fun or honorable or 'real furballers' or call it Barbara for all I care, but many felt that this wasn't healthy for the game or the community, including HTC.
Originally posted by HaDeSs
And when i say *our* i mean more than 90% of players or maybe more.
It is realy time for HT to *start* listen the big base of MA players.
Again with the misconceptions. I have never seen a company that listened to their customer base more than HTC. Which other company can you phone and get straight in touch with the big man himself?
Any have you taken a poll in order to arrive at your estimated 90% of the players? Was it taken right here on the boards? The boards themselves only represent a small fraction of the playing community. HTC has made mention before of a 'small vocal minority' on the boards before. I believe it certainly is apropos in this situation.
And I want to personally thank you for playing 'Show How Big an Idiot You Are!'. We didn't ask you to play, but by golly, you played it anyways.
Cheers.
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Originally posted by Kazaa
I miss fighting for “the war”, not “the wars”
Why does another 'war' in a different arena cause you discomfiture? Does the fact that there are other balls of burning hydrogen in our own galaxy cause you similar grief? Or are you just trolling for some genial, but misplaced, sympathy?
Originally posted by Kazaa
I miss the massive Furballs, where almost every pilots would show their skills and strive to be an Ace in the donut.
I miss the donut!
HAH! I call bull****. A huge furball a pilot's skill does not show. One versus one or two versus one or two versus two, I believe gives a better indication of a pilot's skill.
Originally posted by Kazaa
I miss the massive bomber missions.
This is one of the select points upon which I can and will agree.
Originally posted by Kazaa
I miss half the community in the other arena.
I doubt you were really aware of them even when they were in the same bloody arena. Another perceived slight to your 'fun' I imagine. In an arena with over 600 people you could sense them like Obi Wan with the Force perhaps?
If you were flying then you probably weren't aware of more than an extremely small percentage of the whole. I would throw out in an rough estimate of say, 5% of the people in the arena you were directly aware of.
Originally posted by Kazaa
I miss the big maps, where you could find all different kinds of fights.
And you can't find 'different kinds of fights' now? In the medium sized LW arenas with over 200 people?
Well, between the EW and MW, with their limited numbers mind you, I can. You sound whiny because you lost your nifty new dollar that you found and the one that I might give you to replace it just isn't the same. Ingrate.
Originally posted by Kazaa
I miss shooting down strat bombers, now they just go and farm the less populated arena.
Bombers still happen albeit not like they used to happen. But I'm not convinced that the reason is like you posit. If they all left the MA to 'farm the less populated arena' then the EW and MW should be crawling with them. I can say with relative certainty that they aren't.
Originally posted by Kazaa
I miss the crazy NoE and blitzkrieg tactics that use to be used on a daily basis.
So without a horde of 200 people on a particular country then these things simply cannot exist?
Post your romanticized drivel. It is nothing but vapid excuses and half-explored explanations for your loss of 'fun'. They make for cheap reading one would expect from a paperback harlequin novel with some half dressed man holding a Scarlette-esque woman looking like she might faint. My wife reads those, perhaps you and the other sewing circle girls whining about the MA can get together with her and have a book circle and yap about the slings and arrows of misfortune that slight you along the poor heroine of those books.
Ptui!
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I like the current setup by HTC. I vote to leave it as is.
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I love these meaningless threads, there so many of them where I can post the same thing :lol
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Originally posted by Platano
I love these meaningless threads, there so many of them where I can post the same thing :lol
:lol
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Originally posted by Laurie
And We pay 15 bucks to have our say on how the product we pay for can be improved to a paying customers liking.
You are a customer, not a stockholder. The choice you have is to keep playing the game the way HTC presents it or not. Your 15 bucks does not give you decision making power. The only power you have is to take your 15 bucks and go elsewhere. If enough folks do that, then I would imagine HTC would look at how they present their product. At this point I don't think they are losing money.
That they listen at all, is purely up to them.
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In the posts by Kazaa and JB88 about everything they miss, or what was taken away with the arena split, you guys must fly even less that I do!
Its all still there. Sure you might have to work at it a bit due to all the "kids" we have flying these days. I think thats the biggest problem we have now. The "community" isn't like what it was before. The major percentage of people flying were "hard core" WWII geeks, most of them flew their cartoon planes wearing their "snoopy caps"..... come on admit it ;) These days there are more "score" oriented people flying.
Again, everything that you've said is missing can still be found. Some of the great mission planners are gone, we just need more to step up. Heck when SAPP get together 10-20 38 diving on a base..... and NOT augering :) is a heck of a sight ! If we could get someone to be able to fly a goon, I'm sure we could take bases :D The same night we had this huge furball over a CV, and it went on for 30 mins easy.
Can't find a fight? MAKE ONE ! Get 10-15 of your closest buddies, friends, counrtymen, heck a few enemies that have switched side for the day. Load up a few bombs, pick a base and attck it. Either they defend it, or you capture it, and move on to the next one. Trust me "they well come".
All the fun is still there, most are too lazy to find it, or are too busy "vulching in the pack to notice it.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
And you can't find 'different kinds of fights' now? In the medium sized LW arenas with over 200 people?
Well, between the EW and MW, with their limited numbers mind you, I can.
To quote from my earlier post:
Originally posted by BaldEagl
:aok
1. All of the large maps accomodated all types of play, be it vehicle battles, CV battles, buffing or furballing. Many of the smaller maps do not. Try to find a good GV battle on NDIsles outside of tank town, try high alt buffing in Beta, try CVing in Mid-Mesa. You can't, therefore when those maps are in play those styles of play are out. Other cases exist and when the same map is up in all arenas and doesn't support your preferred style of play it can be frustrating.
2. Avoid the over-crowding/ganging. On the big maps people were able to spread out. You could fly to specific areas for the furball or others for some good one-on-ones. With the overcrowded small maps a good one-on-one is a true rarity. Being ganged is the norm. Similarily, milkrunners didn't get their own arenas. They had to co-exist with the rest of the player base, therefore there were others out spoiling the milk.
3. The maps were generally more diverse. We've lost fighter town, the protected tank town, those long runs of VB's away from from most airfields, multiple CV task groups, in-land rivers and many other features that added to the game. Few of these features can be accomodated on the smaller maps due to size/space considerations.
4. NOE missions. I never do them but others enjoyed this aspect of the game. It's a near impossibility now with the overcrowding. There is rarely an element of surprise in the existing arenas.
There's a few and I'm sure I'll think of a few more.
You can still find every type of fight but it might take a week until the right map comes into play. In the old MA with the big maps you could find what you wanted right away unless you were on the losing country and close to a re-set.
I find myself now flipping from arena to arena to find the fight (or style of play) that suits my current mood (which changes from sortie to sortie). Most nights I end up playing in 2 or 3 of the arenas because of this.
In the old set-up, I could plan on some fighter missions, attack missions, buff missions, ground battles, base captures, CV missions and more all in one night on one map. Not any more (well, sometimes but it's very rare). I used to log on wondering just how I was going to fit all these types of play into one night. When I was getting ready to log off I'd lament the fact that I didn't get to do this or that because there wasn't enough time. I rarely feel that way now when it's time to log off.
The diversity of the old system was a BIG plus in my opinion and it's something that we've lost for the most part.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
The diversity of the old system was a BIG plus in my opinion and it's something that we've lost for the most part.
And I would argue exactly the opposite. With just one large arena, there wasn't the diversity. Now as you say you can go to another arena to find a fight that fits your mood.
Back with 1 arena it wasn't there. If the horde was rolling and the win the reset mob was in full effect there was little anyone else could do. Now if that's happening you at least have options.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
You are a customer, not a stockholder. The choice you have is to keep playing the game the way HTC presents it or not. Your 15 bucks does not give you decision making power. The only power you have is to take your 15 bucks and go elsewhere. If enough folks do that, then I would imagine HTC would look at how they present their product. At this point I don't think they are losing money.
That they listen at all, is purely up to them.
Dan, please put the first sentence in a macro somewhere I think that says it perfectly.
Vote is: No
Simple fact is I'd rather HTC be able to focus their efforts on other gameplay features, plus they've already made it clear there were also technical reasons for splitting the arenas that no one cares to ever remember. You currently cannot have your cake and eat it too, please accept reality.
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:aok
We vote every time we fly. If the next time you logged in, you saw the following selections, where would most people be flying?
MA (Large Map)
A vs A (Large Historic Map)
Late War (Small Map)
Mid War (Small Map)
Early War (Small Map)
HT made all these, it is no slam on HT, just what most people like best.
Gunner
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i feel never ending sadness for those who can't be happy with multiple arenas filled with players.
i feel never ending joy that all i need to enjoy myself is one enemy plane to fight.
i totaly fail to see any reason why the conditions of the virtual air or virtual terrain should stop me enjoying finding one person to fight.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i feel never ending sadness for those who can't be happy with multiple arenas filled with players.
i feel never ending joy that all i need to enjoy myself is one enemy plane to fight.
i totaly fail to see any reason why the conditions of the virtual air or virtual terrain should stop me enjoying finding one person to fight.
I sense that the people who most miss the old MA are the ones who enjoy missions and squad ops.
May be wrong, but that's my take.
- oldman
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Originally posted by cbizkit
Simple fact is I'd rather HTC be able to focus their efforts on other gameplay features, plus they've already made it clear there were also technical reasons for splitting the arenas that no one cares to ever remember. You currently cannot have your cake and eat it too, please accept reality.
did they say that there are technical reasons?
i don't recall a bulliten being posted anywhere about the switch that one wouldnt have to dig for.
what are the reasons?
if there is one thing lacking in the relay between the mothership and the player base cbizkit, it is clearity.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i feel never ending sadness for those who can't be happy with multiple arenas filled with players.
i feel never ending joy that all i need to enjoy myself is one enemy plane to fight.
i totaly fail to see any reason why the conditions of the virtual air or virtual terrain should stop me enjoying finding one person to fight.
talk about drama.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I sense that the people who most miss the old MA are the ones who enjoy missions and squad ops.
May be wrong, but that's my take.
- oldman
I don't even think that's it. I think it's much more of a conquer the map, roll em over with the mob bit. I love going in a flight of 80th HH 38s and hunting. SAPP nights with 10-20 38 drivers has been a ball. I couldn't tell ya for one second which map we flew on any of those times. We've run a couple of NOE missions and laughed the entire time while doing our best to make them work.
It's gotta be something beyond flying with buddies and having fun.
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Dan, It is obvious you do not like the old MA scenario. There are those of us who loved it. I am all for trying to make everyone at least "somewhat happy" that to force them into arenas with a handful of players. 100 players per side is (for me) where it STARTS to become interesting. Frankly when I see arenas with 150 total players, it bores me.
Last night we only had 7 squad members online but due to the arena caps we had to wait until one arena was reset to fly together. I do believe this should be addressed.
This one reason was why I quit the game for 6 months. I came back for the summer because my 12 yr. old nephew wanted help learning the game. Am I telling HiTech & crew how to run their game? Heck no! I always have the option of leaving the game again when my nephew goes back to school! I have also emailed HiTech & Pyro regarding other suggestions on this subject matter and received a friendly "This is one thing we are looking at" responses. (TY Pyro)
I think that the ability to support large numbers of people in one arena is the greatest untapped resource this game has. YES, at some point you will have a technical glass ceiling and there will need to be a split. We have not reached that point yet.
What do I suggest as a viable option? Have a capped LW arena for those who like tighter controls on the game. Cap it at 200 or 250 players. Give those of us who really want an MA an opportunity to see those massive numbers again. I also say keep the EW and MW arenas... I venture into there now and then for a change of pace. I really would like to see a pure furballers/TT type arena with no base captures, ords, etc. I am sure I'd like that as a 'warm-up' when i first login.
I don't say that I have all of the answers but I do say that the popularity of an MA would astound you. Those of us who actually like a large number of flyers are not "The Mob" as you have described but we do like flying with our friends without jumping through hoops or fly in an empty arena like EW or MW. I like the variety and SCALE of missions that are possible with larger numbers. I still look at old screenshots I took when attacking a 45 bomber formation +escorts mission. Yep, I got my tail chewed quickly but man, THAT was fun! I think you will find that this ALONG with current ENY would help side balancing which has been one problem after another since that black day last September.
Don't look at people who have a differing opinion as lesser beings (That's how some of this comes across) I would like to see some of these things worked out if possible but the current setup doesn't really work well for most of us.
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It isn't meant as a look down on or talk down to. What I don't understand is why folks can't put the energy into what we have and make it work.
HTC expressed their reasons for the change at the time. Clearly something is working as they've not gone back.
If there are so many people wanting it that way then why not get them together and go fill one of those empty arenas where you could intercept a big bomber raid etc.
As near as I can tell we need to adjust to the times. And with what we have that seems quite easy.
What folks don't seem to recall is what the MA had evolved into prior to the change. Again HTC expressed their reasons for the change and what they were seeing in the MA at the time was part of their reasoning.
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Not an attempt to Hijack but...
Is it really the old MA everyone really wants or could it be a result of all the stagnant maps..
I liked the old MA, I like the two arenas also as long as I can play its all good.
Could it be better YES!!!.
But is it really the old MA we need back or to just bring some of the things from the old MA (mainly maps.. FT Maps etc etc) into the newer areanas.
I have to cast a vote yes to the old MA simply because of the same old maps being used over and over and over.
As Gunner suggested a LW arena with the old Large Maps wouldnt be a bad thing in my opinion as you would still have LW arenas small maps, Mid War Arena Early War arena, AVA, Special Events and the DA.
More choices to satisfy the consumers cant be that bad :aok
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This was posted by HT a while back and this probably still stands so most likely this thread is going to make no diofference whatsoever. This was in response to another post.
Originally posted by hitech
1 question. And one statement.
We now commonly cross 820 people online, and we are continuing to grow at a rapid pace. How do you see 1000 ,2000,5000 people in 1 arena playing let alone the tech problems in doing that.
Since we have made the split arena, every piece of data has been better.
# of deletes per month has been down.
# of new accounts has been up
% of players converting from free accounts to paying is substantial up.
average number of hours player per person is up.
So the answer to your question did the arena split work, I can absolutly state
it has worked exceeding well.
Finally.
In all your long winded post, no where do you even begin to touch upon the real issue of community / peer pressure/ meeting new people.
So is the current system perfect. Nope nothing is , always looking for ways to do it better.
But you might as well forget about the idea of going back, because it isn't going to happen.
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Well I have to say that part about average # of hours per player going up don't apply to me.. I went from over 100 hours a month to next to nothing.. I tried to make the new system work but something about it is just off... I find the biggest problem for me beyond missing the old MA is the lack of an update to the strat syatem.. I'm not a furballer though I do like to do it some times but I really liked a good bomber mission. The way some parts of the strat system have been tweeked and at the same time most of it ignored has made any real attempt at strat play pointless...
The other day my brother and I made an hour and a half long bomb run deep behind NME lines and almost compleatly smashed rooks grunt training but it had been resuped befor we were even 3/4 of the way back to base.. I have to ask shouldn't it take longer to rebuild an entire factory than it takes to blow it up? Not to mention the joke that the HQ is sence it was Ahmm "FIXED" as far as HQ go's it went from one extream (get bombed part way and can't fix it) to the other of (Bomb the crap out of it and is fixed in 5 to 10 minuits)....
I've actually started paying $15 a month to play EVE online for my strat play and was just about to let my account expire here, even put a post on the squad site saying I was leaving but just couldn't quite do it because of them and the fact that I've played this great game for years. But even when I log on because I want to shoot at someone I sit in the tower looking at the map wondering what I want to do that would actually be meaniingfull to my side and always coming up with the same answer, not much other than go join a furball some where and that to me get's boring real fast..
I've tried to be suportive and make the changes work but there is something missing.
More planes and GV's are great but I feel AH just needs a big face lift in the strat play department.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
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1. All of the large maps accomodated all types of play, be it vehicle battles, CV battles, buffing or furballing. Many of the smaller maps do not. Try to find a good GV battle on NDIsles outside of tank town, try high alt buffing in Beta, try CVing in Mid-Mesa. You can't, therefore when those maps are in play those styles of play are out. Other cases exist and when the same map is up in all arenas and doesn't support your preferred style of play it can be frustrating.
2. Avoid the over-crowding/ganging. On the big maps people were able to spread out. You could fly to specific areas for the furball or others for some good one-on-ones. With the overcrowded small maps a good one-on-one is a true rarity. Being ganged is the norm. Similarily, milkrunners didn't get their own arenas. They had to co-exist with the rest of the player base, therefore there were others out spoiling the milk.
3. The maps were generally more diverse. We've lost fighter town, the protected tank town, those long runs of VB's away from from most airfields, multiple CV task groups, in-land rivers and many other features that added to the game. Few of these features can be accomodated on the smaller maps due to size/space considerations.
4. NOE missions. I never do them but others enjoyed this aspect of the game. It's a near impossibility now with the overcrowding. There is rarely an element of surprise in the existing arenas.
There's a few and I'm sure I'll think of a few more.
well said... HTC just doesnt get it.
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Feel the love :aok
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I like the main arenas because it makes playing on dialup alot better.:aok
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Originally posted by Larry
I like the main arenas because it makes playing on dialup alot better.:aok
lol :rofl
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I love the whine posts from players in the many flock of seagulls squads (BoPs). the one by flayed above is a good example, heartwarming stuff that.
there are strat squads in the game that do what you guys do, do it with far fewer players, create an atmosphere of competition and often accomplish their goals.
the first one that comes to mind are the blind bats with perhaps 30 players who consistently drive the strat game for the rook team. the second would be the 9thGIAP which do the same for which ever country they play for. these squads are proficient strat GV and furball players individually as opposed to the FoSGs or the 68th guys which are merely a gaggle unskilled gangers and runners.
if it takes dividing the arena even further to prevent the game from sliding downhill I'm for it.
what we had in the past with 90+ FoSGs running from undefended base to undefended base taking out all means of effective resistence from the opposing team prior to steam rolling towns was only fun for the mindless shed killers and not for the majority of the players.
I'm glad HTC did something about that unhealthy and unsportsman like behavior. now the FoSGs and those of their ilk are limited to two dozen or so players and those players seem to simply lack the skill to cope with three or four skilled and determined players.
continue the whines please, it's music to my eyes.
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Originally posted by Kazaa
lol :rofl
What did I say that was so funny? Was it the dialup part because I bet playing on sat. would be alot more "fun".
I have dial up I have to deal with it. 300 people in one room is alot better then 800. There is alot less lag in the new MA and I like it.
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Originally posted by storch
what we had in the past with 90+ FoSGs running from undefended base to undefended base taking out all means of effective resistence from the opposing team prior to steam rolling towns was only fun for the mindless shed killers and not for the majority of the players.
I'm glad HTC did something about that unhealthy and unsportsman like behavior. now the FoSGs and those of their ilk are limited to two dozen or so players and those players seem to simply lack the skill to cope with three or four skilled and determined players.
continue the whines please, it's music to my eyes.
How do you figure thats in the past??
Thats still what I see when I log on most of the time.
Nothings changed
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
How do you figure thats in the past??
Thats still what I see when I log on most of the time.
Nothings changed
have you seen ninety plus FoSGs in the same arena at the same time?
I haven't seen anywhere near that number, I think the most I've seen is about thirty and they are all up high or running in La7s as usual.
I chased talcumwng a section or so as he was undoubtably screaming for his minions to save him as he ran to ack in an La7. I was picked by awdoc while fighting talcumwng in his ack and talcumwng did a long I own storch rant on 200.
I dig the FoSGs and their zany antics they are good comical relief.
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2. Avoid the over-crowding/ganging. On the big maps people were able to spread out.[quote/]
Early mornings in Eastern time zone this isn't a problem . BUT late times this is a real problem as we IMO seem to have more people in one spot than even before the MA split .
I don't care for huge furballs in the old maps you could find smaller ones off to the side late nights etc . Not so easy now it seems to me with 400 in smaller map prime time .
I also miss the none foggy maps . I don't like the current milky way the sky is now . Donno if it's just my system or not but it came with the updated maps .
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sgt203 thanks for digging out the reply by HTC here's my thoughts directed at you or anyone reading. Perhaps readers could comment or answer my avacadoterings on.
From my point of view for what it's worth which probably isn't a lot I do hope HTC's business really does expand. It'll be good for everyone. More players in every arena would surly bring around more developments.....one would hope but
We now commonly cross 820 people online, and we are continuing to grow at a rapid pace.
I don't see this as still standing. I looked at arena numbers at roughly 4AM UK time that's 11 PM east last night and, there were 599 players spread across all arenas with 280 being the most in LW orange.
Would Saturday night be prime time if it ain't then when is it.? I have seen over 750 players on at one time but I ain't seen it in a while. Could be that I'm asleep when it does peak..... being a Brit.
How do you see 1000 ,2000,5000 people in 1 arena playing let alone the tech problems in doing that.
Granted and most poignant 1k maybe but we can realise that 2K isn't going to work well. It's a fact that we would have to agree with. A point made that can't be denied. As for 5k "yer right" but hope so.
# of deletes per month has been down.
# of new accounts has been up
% of players converting from free accounts to paying is substantial up.average number of hours player per person is up.
I do hope these statements are as valid today as they were when first made but I'll interject further. Interesting word converting when used in sales jargon. By it's very nature it means more people buying your product. The art of selling isn't to "shaft" the punter or "bully" them into purchasing (not implying that's what HTC does just explaining things) it's all about making the customer "HAPPY" to purchase. Making them think they have made the "RIGHT" decision.
Surly 10% per month extra conversion should be worth the development in the long term. Surly conversion tools should be given some priority after spending on TV ad's getting the punter through the door so's to speak. In layman's terms don't get the punter through the door then implement a "deal prevention" system. The system should be smooth, comfortable with more reasons to say "YES" than "no". Then you can work on selling the extras....."would you like fries with that". After being tuned to the help channel for a number of months I am drawn to the conclusion that "conversions tools" are lacking.
So the answer to your question did the arena split work, I can absolutely state it has worked exceeding well.
Good to hear this and the sooner it's maximised the better for all.
no where do you even begin to touch upon the real issue of community / peer pressure/ meeting new people.
Speaking, I must reiterate, for myself. This ain't no bleedin "dating agency". With the exception of squaddies and friends I'm not to interested in community. So long as it's policed and folks adhere to certain boundaries I'm more than happy. I'm not concerned if Joe Blogs got a new car, wife left, mother in law has arrived. I'm concerned with conduct. I'm interested in having an unspoilt good evening.
peer pressure comes across as a bit of a misnomer. Peer pressure to me means bestowing my will on others but in what regards. All I can do is lead by example. I can't make anyone do anything. I really am perplexed as to what we're referring to here. Stop gamey watermelon happening ? Black list certain players because of conduct ? Show new players the way to play ? Stop diving bombing lancs ? when it's only HTC that can stop that. Stop foul or obscene language when we have MODS for that. Stop the hoard rolls when we have mission planner and human nature ? Stop 40% of your team PERK prowling in the tower at times of reset?
meeting new people. Tricky one this. If your a shy and reserved type this ain't happening. You'll be happy as Larry just playing. Making in game new friends with like minded goals is just second nature to anyone. There are only 2 players I really can't stand in game both of which are 200 freaks but I do have the option of squelch or detune 200. Meeting players face to face is nice in a blind date-ish way but that doesn't mean I'd be happy socialising with them in an evening. Personalities may grate. The only common factor drawing us together is our "INTERACTION" with this game. I'm not interested in what they think of the Ragan / Thatcher years. I'm interested in folks abilities within our game whilst adhering to socially accepted boundaries, without hinder to me, others or themselves.
Maybe I'm just insular but I would speculate my views are shared.
So is the current system perfect. Nope nothing is , always looking for ways to do it better. These are my concerns whether their legitimate is open for interpretation. Same old maps. Perk prowlers making ENY counter productive at reset times or capping out an arena. Dive bombing heavy bombers and lastly newbies that really do need a leg up with an incentive to stay.....so we can all move along.
But you might as well forget about the idea of going back, because it isn't going to happen. Get it ? got it ? good !
So straight from the horses mouth ....no single MA....ever. Well I can live with that as I have done since it was implemented but man I'm getting PO'ed with these small maps. Maybe I'm facing AH burn out but I'm getting fed up. Boo Hoo woe is me bleet bleet.
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Well, that sums it up then LYNX.
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Well, that sums it up then LYNX.
which part u refering to---->Boo Hoo woe is me bleet bleet.
:rofl
or----->But you might as well forget about the idea of going back, because it isn't going to happen.
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Hey man here's something interesting. Stick in one of the older larger terrains off line. They all have the new terrain 3 spilt VH's new tree's. The whole new shebang. Gong to post this in mindanao thread.
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Originally posted by LYNX
no where do you even begin to touch upon the real issue of community / peer pressure/ meeting new people.
Speaking, I must reiterate, for myself. This ain't no bleedin "dating agency". With the exception of squaddies and friends I'm not to interested in community. So long as it's policed and folks adhere to certain boundaries I'm more than happy. I'm not concerned if Joe Blogs got a new car, wife left, mother in law has arrived. I'm concerned with conduct. I'm interested in having an unspoilt good evening.
peer pressure comes across as a bit of a misnomer. Peer pressure to me means bestowing my will on others but in what regards. All I can do is lead by example. I can't make anyone do anything. I really am perplexed as to what we're referring to here. Stop gamey watermelon happening ? Black list certain players because of conduct ? Show new players the way to play ? Stop diving bombing lancs ? when it's only HTC that can stop that. Stop foul or obscene language when we have MODS for that. Stop the hoard rolls when we have mission planner and human nature ? Stop 40% of your team PERK prowling in the tower at times of reset?
meeting new people. Tricky one this. If your a shy and reserved type this ain't happening. You'll be happy as Larry just playing. Making in game new friends with like minded goals is just second nature to anyone. There are only 2 players I really can't stand in game both of which are 200 freaks but I do have the option of squelch or detune 200. Meeting players face to face is nice in a blind date-ish way but that doesn't mean I'd be happy socialising with them in an evening. Personalities may grate. The only common factor drawing us together is our "INTERACTION" with this game. I'm not interested in what they think of the Ragan / Thatcher years. I'm interested in folks abilities within our game whilst adhering to socially accepted boundaries, without hinder to me, others or themselves.
I'm not going to comment much on the numbers, because first, HTC is not going to update everyone on their numbers. Its private info, and I respect that. I have logged on recently, and seen both MA's at the max 450 cap. While I can't say for certain, I thinking that puts the numbers close to 1000 on line.
The "community / peer pressure/ meeting new people" is the biggest reason the arenas were split. By community / peer pressure/ meeting new people I don't think HTC was talking about a dating service :)
Community is building now, you get more "friendly" banter across countries now, more "salutes" more people talking about fights and how to improve "next time" than you did in the old single MA setup.
Peer pressure, I think what is meant here is more along the lines of "doing what everyone else does" In the old setup it was join the horde ! Everyone is steam rolling this base, I'm going to do that too. This was happening way too much. Its better now, but still has a way to go. Peer pressure now dictates that you must milkrun to get a high rank and score. I think keeping the scoring the way it is would be ok, a lot of people "worry" about score, but the ranking system is too much and easily "gamed". Maybe a fighter, bomber, and a GV rank, per arena, based on kills and/or damage to time logged on. This way a guy that flys 10 hours a month with 10 kills, would be ranked close to the guy who flys 100 hours a month with 100 kills.
The meeting new people, doesn't mean a dating service, nor does it only mean the people you fly with like your squad. It also means those you fly against. With the smaller arenas it is much easier to run into the same enemy and strike up a rivalry, the same with squads butting heads. There use to be some great squad rivalry's in the old days before the numbers started to climb. Hopefully that comes back.
I think HTC spoiled everyone with the frequent updates. A new map now and then, new 3D cockpit updates, tweaks in graphics, and the occasional new plane/GV . With so much time spent on TOD/CT this area has suffered the most. I can't what till that is finally on line. Will I use it much, most likely not, but at least they might get back to tweaking the game.
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I have logged on recently, and seen both MA's at the max 450 cap. While I can't say for certain, I thinking that puts the numbers close to 1000 on line.
Thanks for this. I'll have to pull an all nighter and check it out.
you get more "friendly" banter across countries now, more "salutes" more people talking about fights and how to improve "next time" than you did in the old single MA setup.
I think we'll have to accept our differences here. My experience of 200 is counter to yours. I'm just surprised more folks ain't MOD'ed.:rolleyes:
The meeting new people, doesn't mean a dating service, nor does it only mean the people you fly with like your squad. It also means those you fly against. With the smaller arenas it is much easier to run into the same enemy and strike up a rivalry, the same with squads butting heads. There use to be some great squad rivalry's in the old days before the numbers started to climb. Hopefully that comes back.
I accept your point it's just some squads are more prevailing to capture than to getting even:D
Anyways chap thank you for your time but may I pose 1 more question. Would, in your opinion, the numbers we have today support the use of larger maps in both MA's.
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Originally posted by Anyone
well said... HTC just doesnt get it.
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And it's this kind of idiotic comment that really cracks me up.
HTC has the information on numbers, account growth, you name it, but one guy with an opinion somehow can decide that HTC isn't running their business correctly.
If you can do it better, design your own so everyone can move to your perfect world.
As near as I can tell, these guys have had a hand in all the successful online flight sims and at this point have the most successful flight sim going.
But you're right. HTC just doesn't get it.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by LYNX
I have logged on recently, and seen both MA's at the max 450 cap. While I can't say for certain, I thinking that puts the numbers close to 1000 on line.
Thanks for this. I'll have to pull an all nighter and check it out.
Keep in mind that the numbers during the summer do not equal the numbers during winter. Typically more people play games in the winter months of the year in the US, when the weathers better people are out doing other things.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
What 'destroyed' the MA was the pervasive culture of the MA itself. The snake ate its own tail, if you will allow the metaphor. Hitech has been extremely concise about it (which is rather interesting and humorous given his spelling).
Perhaps your fun is among the faceless horde? Perhaps it's you who sucks (and is now whining) because you can't hack when you aren't lost among fifty plus pilots.
Perhaps you weren't around when the maximum amount of players in the MA during peak US times (say, Friday or Saturday night) was 120. It was very different back then, and certainly more enjoyable than a massive, faceless, irreverent sea of unintelligible, homogeneous lemmings that overwhelm their opponents by sheer numbers. You may enjoy that, call it fun or honorable or 'real furballers' or call it Barbara for all I care, but many felt that this wasn't healthy for the game or the community, including HTC.
I would love to quote ALL of Drunky's posts on this subject so far because they all speak volumes of truth and directly point out the obvious ... but I will highlight what I think was the most telling passage so far in any of his posts.
Drunky ... u need a drink ? ... cause I am buying ... Guppy, u want one too ?
Oh ... and those who speak of Drex and Levi ... Drex left long ago when the MA started its intial stages of saturation and Levi left during the saturation when it reached critical mass ... and the main reason IMO probably being ... the "community" feel that Dan spoke of, was gone.
Put your 2 LW MAs together, I could care less ... just leave EW and MW out of it ... cause us SUCKY pilots need somewhere to hide from all those LW leet pilots ... :rofl
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Originally posted by Guppy35
And it's this kind of idiotic comment that really cracks me up.
HTC has the information on numbers, account growth, you name it, but one guy with an opinion somehow can decide that HTC isn't running their business correctly.
If you can do it better, design your own so everyone can move to your perfect world.
As near as I can tell, these guys have had a hand in all the successful online flight sims and at this point have the most successful flight sim going.
But you're right. HTC just doesn't get it.:rolleyes:
thats the same comment people make about maps..... if you dont like the maps, make your own...
im paying for a game, im not paying to MAKE the game.
the comment was aimed at the reply... which is why i said "i dont think HTC gets it", because it has removed SOOOO much from the game. Read the post i was replyin to.
it wasnt a blanket across the board "htc doesnt get it" post you make it out to....
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF
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We vote every time we fly. If the next time you logged in, you saw the following selections, where would most people be flying?
MA (Large Map)
A vs A (Large Historic Map)
Late War (Small Map)
Mid War (Small Map)
Early War (Small Map)
HT made all these, it is no slam on HT, just what most people like best.
Gunner
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Originally posted by Anyone
thats the same comment people make about maps..... if you dont like the maps, make your own...
im paying for a game, im not paying to MAKE the game.
the comment was aimed at the reply... which is why i said "i dont think HTC gets it", because it has removed SOOOO much from the game. Read the post i was replyin to.
it wasnt a blanket across the board "htc doesnt get it" post you make it out to....
Yep you are paying for the game as HTC presents it. You power is in whether you pay to play or not.
Clearly HTC has more people playing to play the game now then they ever have.
The mass exodous that was predicted at the time of the arena changes hasn't happened. Sure some folks left, but they've been replaced by a lot more folks.
And the nature of any of the Flight Sims has been a constant change in people. There are very few of us who have been around for the long haul.
I wonder how many guys are left from the early days of this board or AH overall. I doubt it's a very large percentage of the player base.
Change is part of the deal. You accept it and help make it work or you move on.
I'd also ask how much have you contributed to the game and the community. There are guys who make maps. They pay that same 15 bucks a month,. There are skinners. There are the guys who design Scenarios or help with special events. Think of the AvA staff, the Mods, the Trainers, the Snapshot guys etc.
They pay that same 15 bucks a month. What are you doing to make this game better?
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Yep you are paying for the game as HTC presents it. You power is in whether you pay to play or not.
Clearly HTC has more people playing to play the game now then they ever have.
The mass exodous that was predicted at the time of the arena changes hasn't happened. Sure some folks left, but they've been replaced by a lot more folks.
And the nature of any of the Flight Sims has been a constant change in people. There are very few of us who have been around for the long haul.
I wonder how many guys are left from the early days of this board or AH overall. I doubt it's a very large percentage of the player base.
Change is part of the deal. You accept it and help make it work or you move on.
I'd also ask how much have you contributed to the game and the community. There are guys who make maps. They pay that same 15 bucks a month,. There are skinners. There are the guys who design Scenarios or help with special events. Think of the AvA staff, the Mods, the Trainers, the Snapshot guys etc.
They pay that same 15 bucks a month. What are you doing to make this game better?
thing is im guessing you are fine with playing the same 5maps every day, hence the reason you dont care about the split and lack of big maps?
infact i guess you would be happy with a 30player game with only 3 bases...?
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Originally posted by Guppy35
And the nature of any of the Flight Sims has been a constant change in people. There are very few of us who have been around for the long haul.
I wonder how many guys are left from the early days of this board or AH overall. I doubt it's a very large percentage of the player base.
I beg to differ. My guess is that at least half of the player base has been around since the '90's in predecessors to AH. I've been around since '96 and I know a lot here have been around even longer.
Do a search on these boards. There was a "Any old Air Warriors" thread here that's 741 posts long. There's also a "Who are the most memorable squads" thread that's 202 posts long.
I've often heard that the posters on these boards are a small minority of the AH populutaion (5%?). Let's assume it's 10% and everyone in those threads posted twice. Then half the player base being "long-timers" holds true.
Others come and go. It's this core audience that's kept these flight sims alive for so long.
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yep, this is a niche game... you're only going to pick up a small amount of long-term players. this isn't going to explode and continue like an FPS game.
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Origanally posted by Guppy35
The mass exodous that was predicted at the time of the arena changes hasn't happened. Sure some folks left, but they've been replaced by a lot more folks.
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Dan, I'd happily trade 100 squeakers for one of my old friends' who have left, any day of the week.:(
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Origanally posted by Guppy35
The mass exodous that was predicted at the time of the arena changes hasn't happened. Sure some folks left, but they've been replaced by a lot more folks.
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Dan, I'd happily trade 100 squeakers for one of my old friends' who have left, any day of the week.:(
I'd happily go back to my early days in Airwarrior and all my Nomad squaddies too. But nothing remains constant. Those squeakers will end up carrying on the game to the next crowd. It's always funny to me to listen to the guys before my time talk about my generation of flyers that came in around 96 with AOL and Gamestorm. They resented the heck out of us because their game was changing from what they knew.
I'd like to think that many of us from that time have done a good job carrying the torch and passing it on. There is just no way to stop that kind of transition. Todays squeaker is next year's vet.
The game doesn't chase people away really. Life does, lack of interest, new interests or whatever.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I beg to differ. My guess is that at least half of the player base has been around since the '90's in predecessors to AH. I've been around since '96 and I know a lot here have been around even longer.
Do a search on these boards. There was a "Any old Air Warriors" thread here that's 741 posts long. There's also a "Who are the most memorable squads" thread that's 202 posts long.
I've often heard that the posters on these boards are a small minority of the AH populutaion (5%?). Let's assume it's 10% and everyone in those threads posted twice. Then half the player base being "long-timers" holds true.
Others come and go. It's this core audience that's kept these flight sims alive for so long.
Just cause we populate the BBS doesn't mean we dominate the arenas.
Go back a few years on the boards and check the names. How many are still here? It'f funny how they've changed. Many of those guys who stopped in on the AW thread are not active flyers either.
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Originally posted by Anyone
thing is im guessing you are fine with playing the same 5maps every day, hence the reason you dont care about the split and lack of big maps?
infact i guess you would be happy with a 30player game with only 3 bases...?
You didn't answer the question :)
I'm fine with the game as is yep. I made do with the game as it was too. I understood HTC's reasons for the change and I believe they still hold true.
You seem to assume I'm nothing but a furballer. I don't classify myself as such. I like ACM sure. But I don't mind helping to cap a base or escort a bomber. Defeding a base that the other side is trying to take is great fun.
The map is a means to an end, and that end is the fight. The airfields are designed essentially the same. It can't be eye candy that you are worried about. Do I care about racing to the reset? Nope.
But again. Can you contribute to the game? Make a map for us. One of my Squaddies does terrains. He does them for scenarios, but he's done some amazing work.
Go for it. Give us a good one. Instead of give me what I want. Make it what can I contribute?
It's the community that makes things go in the end by what we put into the game.
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Originally posted by LYNX
sgt203 thanks for digging out the reply by HTC here's my thoughts directed at you or anyone reading.....
Quote from Hitech:
But you might as well forget about the idea of going back, because it isn't going to happen.
So straight from the horses mouth ....no single MA....ever. Well I can live with that as I have done since it was implemented but man I'm getting PO'ed with these small maps. Maybe I'm facing AH burn out but I'm getting fed up. Boo Hoo woe is me bleet bleet.
That was basically my whole point Lynx and why I posted two posts.
If the sinigle MA was "unhealthy" HT made a business decision what is best for his business. If all the numbers are still up then I guess he made the right one...IMO to an extent.
Like I said in my post right above HT's Quote: is it really the old MA everyone wants or is it a result of the fact we have the same ol same ol stagnant maps over and over and over adnauseum??
I agree with you Lynx, on alot of the things you stated, especially the small maps, which I feel is part ( if not most) of the reason for the community expressing a desire for the old MA...
But as HT said "Forget about it...."
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BTW: Does HT ever change his mind or opinion????
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Originally posted by sgt203
BTW: Does HT ever change his mind or opinion????
no
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Originally posted by LYNX
Anyways chap thank you for your time but may I pose 1 more question. Would, in your opinion, the numbers we have today support the use of larger maps in both MA's.
I believe they would support the big maps, but I'm not HT :)
Originally posted by Anyone
thing is im guessing you are fine with playing the same 5maps every day, hence the reason you dont care about the split and lack of big maps?
infact i guess you would be happy with a 30player game with only 3 bases...?
ummm what do you think we flew with in AH1, and before some "customers" built the big maps???? Yup, the same small maps we got today.... thats where they came from ya know ;)
You are paying your $15 for the game as HTC has it. HTC, out of the kindness of there hearts..... and I'm sure they don't mind the free labor :D .... ALLOWS players to make maps for the MA's. No where does it say they will add new maps when ever the community deems that thew old maps are stale.
The whole point here, is to spend less time complaining about how things are, and to do what you can to make it more fun for your self, and others, by getting others together in missions, or just a few wingies in fighters, build skins, or maps, participate in senerios and so on.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
no
How can you say this ? :huh
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Originally posted by Guppy35
You didn't answer the question :)
I'm fine with the game as is yep. I made do with the game as it was too. I understood HTC's reasons for the change and I believe they still hold true.
You seem to assume I'm nothing but a furballer. I don't classify myself as such. I like ACM sure. But I don't mind helping to cap a base or escort a bomber. Defeding a base that the other side is trying to take is great fun.
The map is a means to an end, and that end is the fight. The airfields are designed essentially the same. It can't be eye candy that you are worried about. Do I care about racing to the reset? Nope.
But again. Can you contribute to the game? Make a map for us. One of my Squaddies does terrains. He does them for scenarios, but he's done some amazing work.
Go for it. Give us a good one. Instead of give me what I want. Make it what can I contribute?
It's the community that makes things go in the end by what we put into the game.
dan/guppy
you know i like you and we have winged up at times and had fun with you but im confused by your multiposting here....are you under the assumption that you are going to change what people feel/want????
the majority of folks here simply put a :aok to signify we would like the old system back...i know you dont agree...but im not planning on debating it with you....i know i wont change your mind and you wont change these guys minds....the old way was a blast..i dont hate the new setup but the absolute lack of any new maps is ridiculous...we have 4 times more arenas and half the maps...also you are a furballer..i respect that...but other guys like gving and buffing and they are upset..i respect that too...
so why not let folks express their opinions without having to defend them to you and 2 or three others??? i dont think this was supposed to be a highschool debate club...just a thread for HTC to note or discount....
;)
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Originally posted by storch
I love the whine posts from players in the many flock of seagulls squads (BoPs). the one by flayed above is a good example, heartwarming stuff that.
there are strat squads in the game that do what you guys do, do it with far fewer players, create an atmosphere of competition and often accomplish their goals.
the first one that comes to mind are the blind bats with perhaps 30 players who consistently drive the strat game for the rook team. the second would be the 9thGIAP which do the same for which ever country they play for. these squads are proficient strat GV and furball players individually as opposed to the FoSGs or the 68th guys which are merely a gaggle unskilled gangers and runners.
if it takes dividing the arena even further to prevent the game from sliding downhill I'm for it.
what we had in the past with 90+ FoSGs running from undefended base to undefended base taking out all means of effective resistence from the opposing team prior to steam rolling towns was only fun for the mindless shed killers and not for the majority of the players.
I'm glad HTC did something about that unhealthy and unsportsman like behavior. now the FoSGs and those of their ilk are limited to two dozen or so players and those players seem to simply lack the skill to cope with three or four skilled and determined players.
continue the whines please, it's music to my eyes.
not to hijack but for storch to try and define sportsmanship is a laugh...i cant think of a more disrespected "member" of the community...
the honest truth is i feel sorry for you storch...you are a miserable human being and you seem to enjoy lying a lot...BoPs have never fielded more then 40 players on squad night and that was once...while we have 90 players on roster any moron can look and see about half of them are inactive over any campaign...our usual squad night is about 30 players...and we still field that many on squad night as always...the new changes have not affected us at all...surprising but a relief when we realized it was cool for our squad....
storch you sell AMWAY for a living (no i am not making this up)... that sums it up for me ... i would think you would quit lying when you play a virtual cartoon game but it seems to be who you are....the difference here is that grown men cant be taken advantage of by your standard techniques... so keep taking advantage of/trying to bully folks in real life and quit trying to pick silly fights with a group of guys who are smarter and more mature then you:aok
and yes you are pitiful....truly...do you really want me to post the film of the fight you describe above...i filmed the whole thing...and awdoc did NOT pick you..you were in a 109 and got outmaneuvered by him in a ta-152....was hilarious...i also have you immediately lying about it on ch 200...dude TRY to quit lying....please...
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the feeling is completely mutual.
show me where I said you had ninety players on. I say ninety plus players in the squad. in fact I said you have about 30 players on. I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
post your film of you running and of awdoc diving while I was engaging you in the ack.
when it's all said and done it's a game and none of this impacts anything important in my life.
I could care less about yours or anyone else's opinion on any topic.
you guys are awful players and an embodiment the worst elements in this game.
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what we had in the past with 90+ FoSGs running from undefended base to undefended base taking out all means of effective resistence from the opposing team prior to steam rolling towns was only fun for the mindless shed killers and not for the majority of the players. >>>STORCH
oooops, there it is Storch.
you know as well as I do that we NEVER have 90 players on.
half of those 90 members probably haven,t played in 6 months or in most cases even longer!
the most you will ever see on is usually on squad night--about 25-30 players at most.
and as far as bringin back the MA?
i didn,t really care until now, but if Storchway is against it, I,m all for it.
:aok
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Originally posted by jedi25
Don't you all agree..
:aok
No.
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Originally posted by storch
I love the whine posts from players in the many flock of seagulls squads (BoPs). the one by flayed above is a good example, heartwarming stuff that.
there are strat squads in the game that do what you guys do, do it with far fewer players, create an atmosphere of competition and often accomplish their goals.
the first one that comes to mind are the blind bats with perhaps 30 players who consistently drive the strat game for the rook team. the second would be the 9thGIAP which do the same for which ever country they play for. these squads are proficient strat GV and furball players individually as opposed to the FoSGs or the 68th guys which are merely a gaggle unskilled gangers and runners.
if it takes dividing the arena even further to prevent the game from sliding downhill I'm for it.
what we had in the past with 90+ FoSGs running from undefended base to undefended base taking out all means of effective resistence from the opposing team prior to steam rolling towns was only fun for the mindless shed killers and not for the majority of the players.
I'm glad HTC did something about that unhealthy and unsportsman like behavior. now the FoSGs and those of their ilk are limited to two dozen or so players and those players seem to simply lack the skill to cope with three or four skilled and determined players.
continue the whines please, it's music to my eyes.
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Originally posted by storch
the feeling is completely mutual.
Dude... then just shutup..i dont initiate anything with you because you ARE irrelevant
show me where I said you had ninety players on. I say ninety plus players in the squad. in fact I said you have about 30 players on. I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
WOW..you will lie about anything....your post i quoted is where you said it (you do realize anybody can scroll up right?) and you NEVER said we used 30 players..you made a comment about 68th i think...you said 90+ of us....cmon stop lying ..its embarrassing...
post your film of you running and of awdoc diving while I was engaging you in the ack.
sure!
when it's all said and done it's a game and none of this impacts anything important in my life.
your so called life is a pathetic one that seems to hinge on trying to make others feel bad...so i cant imagine what could be important in your life
I could care less about yours or anyone else's opinion on any topic.
now this may be the first honest thing you have typed!!! you dont care about ANYONE's opinion...your just a jerk who is using the glitch that this community cant ignore 200 or this forum without ignoring everyone to be a butthead...PATHETIC!!!!
you guys are awful players and an embodiment the worst elements in this game.
get a grip!!!! we ARE part of the game...its a multiplayer game and we are not powerful enough to make or break a game...we are a handful of fun guys who enjoy hanging out with each other...sorry you have no insight....im guessing you might have been more successful here and in RL
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Ohh BUUUURRRNNNNNNN!!!
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you know what falcnwng you are correct. you guys play this game in the most base manner but I guess that is your right to do so.
you call me a liar, ok.
the people who set up the game set a limit for members in a squad at 32 players. I don't think it was an arbitrary decision. you guys have decided to bend those rules for what ever purpose suits you, ok.
that speaks volumes about you. if you will cheat in little things, well....
here is another thing I know, people who accuse other people are usually guilty of the very thing they are accusing others of.
you are probably a liar, you are person who is willing to break or bend rules as they fit your convenience. this is clearly evidenced in your behavior within the game.
there is really nothing for me to say to you that I haven't already said at some point.
so yes, we are in agreement there is no further need for me to communicate with you on any topic.
I'm amazed to know you are a physician. thankfully, you aren't mine.
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
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The Dude!!:aok
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this aggression will not stand. man.
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Originally posted by storch
you know what falcnwng you are correct. you guys play this game in the most base manner but I guess that is your right to do so.
AMEN!!! Thankee for the revelation!
you call me a liar, ok.
because you are...and you continue to do so...
the people who set up the game set a limit for members in a squad at 32 players. I don't think it was an arbitrary decision. you guys have decided to bend those rules for what ever purpose suits you, ok.
bend what rules??? please show me a "rule" that i have violated??? i understand you dont "get friendship"...but a squad is not REAL...its a group of folks who like affiliating and hanging with each other...there is no rule about hanging out with each other or squad limits for that matter...it will dismay you to learn that DoW and Dickweed Hevy Bombers hangout with us too on ch and on squad night....eek...folks who enjoy the gme hanging out together...your pathetic
that speaks volumes about you. if you will cheat in little things, well....
again an example of you flat out lying....i dont cheat in anything....because i AM a decent human being you have to pretend to create a way for me to have cheated...like i said..you ARE a pathetic little creature...
here is another thing I know, people who accuse other people are usually guilty of the very thing they are accusing others of.
thats exactly what guilty people say to try and bluff their way out...dude do you really not know you lie??? im serious...i thought you were just a liar...this may be more pathologic then i thought....get help please!!
you are probably a liar, you are person who is willing to break or bend rules as they fit your convenience. this is clearly evidenced in your behavior within the game.
once again...what rules??? if i am violating a rule i have been open about it and have not had hitech or skuzzy contact me to let me know i or others are cheating??? once again you just falsely accuse others
there is really nothing for me to say to you that I haven't already said at some point.
good then stop saying anything please...feel free to quit harrassing me everytime we end up in the same arena and stop using every thread as a way to harrass our squad...
so yes, we are in agreement there is no further need for me to communicate with you on any topic.
yes yes please let my prayers be answered....
I'm amazed to know you are a physician. thankfully, you aren't mine.
I'm NOT a psychiatrist....thankfully...
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Originally posted by storch
have you seen ninety plus FoSGs in the same arena at the same time?
I haven't seen anywhere near that number, I think the most I've seen is about thirty and they are all up high or running in La7s as usual.
I chased talcumwng a section or so as he was undoubtably screaming for his minions to save him as he ran to ack in an La7. I was picked by awdoc while fighting talcumwng in his ack and talcumwng did a long I own storch rant on 200.
I dig the FoSGs and their zany antics they are good comical relief.
this is my response to drediock's assertion that you birds of prey still show up with ninety players.
this also serves to show you that inspite of my loathing of your game play I type from fact, from first person experience. not from whim or prejudice.
you may scroll back to page five of this thread and see for yourself what drediock typed.
this also an example of my pointing out that the person who runs around saying liar liar pants on fire as you repeatedly do should be doing so while looking in the mirror.
let's analyze the following facts. spittle up your monitor but be sure to wipe it down before continuing to read. I think that dried and cake spittle may be partly to blame for your inability to comprehend that which is typed to you.
you claim to be a bird of prey, your internet persona's identity suggests you are a falcon. yet you appear to be confused because your internet identity also suggests that you lord over a wing of falcons.
you become frothing at the mouth angry because I point out that your self image is in fact misleading.
birds of prey are solitary creatures and do not flock and falcons most especially hunt alone.
I have never seen you alone while playing this game you are always insularly protected by dozens of your servants.
you become upset because I wonder in type if you even go to the restroom alone. your servants always attack in your defense, even on this BBS as if chemically triggered by your overproduction of pheromones or something. it's truly comical to behold. as evidence look at the posts by your minions on this page alone. clearly un-bird of prey like behavior, even you and they must agree.
clearly you suggest at one form a behavior but have for years consistently displayed another. that is dishonest at best and I'll leave it at that.
in the printed diaharria you posted prior to the printed diaharria preceeding this post you claimed that you never initiate these exchanges between you and myself. again as the diaharria above proves, you are dishonest. even after me expressing my wish to not further engage you in this unproductive and ugly type of correspondance you initiate another personal attack.
why?
you strike me as an unstable individual and one whom on the whole I'm better disassociated from in every context. sadly your continued personal attacks and outright lies coupled with your inability to just let things pass leave me no alternative but to place you on my ignore list.
this post serves as notice that henceforth you are typing to yourself and perhaps to others who find you amusing but not to me.
you are dismissed sir,
with profound sincerity all the best to you.
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
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Take it easy man I've got beverage here.:rofl
I love that movie.:aok
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Hey Falc, just thought i would chime in here to say: Had a really fun weekend fighitng some of the Bops, REVRAND and red420 for the most part.
now whatever the vocal minority casts on these forums, there are many people who can apperciate what you Bopz have, a LARGE group of friends playing a game FOR FUN. and fun is something i know the Bops can and do have.
S!
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
Hey Falc, just thought i would chime in here to say: Had a really fun weekend fighitng some of the Bops, REVRAND and red420 for the most part.
now whatever the vocal minority casts on these forums, there are many people who can apperciate what you Bopz have, a LARGE group of friends playing a game FOR FUN. and fun is something i know the Bops can and do have.
S!
thanks bud:aok
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
ummm what do you think we flew with in AH1, and before some "customers" built the big maps???? Yup, the same small maps we got today.... thats where they came from ya know ;)
thats the whole problem, we had small maps many many years ago, hell i think ndisle is the first map? Over time, the community got bigger, new maps created, and a new map size introduced.
HTC started only accepting large maps, and we got some fantastic maps over time... however due to changes (be it good or bad) we have LOST alot of great work, its all going to waste in the AH directory. So now we are back to the orignal maps, plus a few others that only support one style of gameplay (ie 2 maps without water so no cvs, 1 map with massive hills so buffs cant lift easy, and one thats good for GV's but little else).
Larger maps could support ALL style of gameplay on the same map. FestaMA for instance had great CV battles, great GV battles, great FT and furballs, and good strat missions too. But maps like this are lost forever???? maybe?
do you guys not see this point?
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Starch, please don't cross the "liar" line. I don't care if you continue to stay SAFELY ANONYMOUS and shoot out more insults from behind your manly monitor. Whatever. We've been here for years. HiTech & Crew have not forcefully disbanded us, much to your disappointment. This kind of bullpucky will go on for years to come, and it solves nothing. It accomplishes nothing.
And Falc is right. Not only do we have our squad on squadnight, but Dogz of War, Dickweeds, Dustoffs, LTAR, and many others take it upon themselves to tune in, and they and many others are always welcome. ( you guys:) ) The only thing we as BOPs need to do more often, is reciprocate in kind, IMO.
I've also appreciated Waffle for his respect of us. If anyone knows absolutley that we have fun above all else, it's him. I've had fun flying with him when he was a BOP, with him when he resigned from the squad, and against him when he chooses to be Knit or Rook.
Storch, you could choose to learn a few things from him, but based on your past behavior, I believe you would think that it is beneath you to learn to be a good model of sportsmanship.
On another aspect of this whole issue, I've run into great players, such as Simaril:aok , who has said in the past that he doesn't agree with our policy of staying Bish, BUT he is another one that I respect BECAUSE HE RESPECTS US, regardless. I've had fun whenever I've encountered him, (mostly getting my prettythang kicked by him:D ).
Again, you could be a man and learn from these guys, and others like them, or you can be the "Pencil-Neck Geek" behind the monitor, safe at home after work, reveling in your own self-righteousness.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Take it easy man I've got beverage here.:rofl
I love that movie.:aok
Walter Sobchak: I told those ****s down at the league office a thousand times that I don't roll on Shabbos!
Donny: What's Shabbos?
Walter Sobchak: Saturday, Donny, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don't work, I don't get in a car, I don't ****ing ride in a car, I don't pick up the phone, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as **** don't ****ing roll! Shomer shabbos!
The Dude: Walter...
Walter Sobchak: Shomer ****ing shabbos.
The Dude: Oh **** it.
:rofl
We should have a Lebowski watching party at Dichos house.:D
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Trinity and Big Isles :cry
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
hate to be a party pooper, but i really dont see why we should change it back.
the only people who have been affected for the worse are those who play for rank, it seems.
S!
I fail to see how you can believe this,
You REALLY need to check out EW and MW SOON.
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Originally posted by Slash27
We should have a Lebowski watching party at Dichos house.:D
Great idea let's ruin his carpet and piss his wife off!!!:aok
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
hate to be a party pooper, but i really dont see why we should change it back.
the only people who have been affected for the worse are those who play for rank, it seems.
S!
Originally posted by Laurie
I fail to see how you can believe this,
You REALLY need to check out EW and MW SOON.
Were talking about the split of LW arenas, What goes on in the EW and MW has no effect on the LW arena other than scores. The "milkrunners" have had a big impact on the scores. I think that is what B@tfink means. So those who fly in the LW arena and want the "one arena" back are the ones hurting because they can't compete with the milkrunners in the other arenas.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Were talking about the split of LW arenas, What goes on in the EW and MW has no effect on the LW arena other than scores. The "milkrunners" have had a big impact on the scores. I think that is what B@tfink means. So those who fly in the LW arena and want the "one arena" back are the ones hurting because they can't compete with the milkrunners in the other arenas.
Batfink is a super guy but... That has absolutely nothing to do with the reason the majority of us who do want the MA back are voicing our opinions.
That is about as unfair a statement as if I said the only ones who want the arenas smaller are those who want to be able to cherrypick some isolated chump and expect to fly home without someone tagging HIS six.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
storch you sell AMWAY for a living (no i am not making this up)... that sums it up for me
Very tasteless, Falconwing. I'm sort of surprised at seeing something like this from you.
- oldman (you can classify me in the lower classes, too, I suppose.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Very tasteless, Falconwing. I'm sort of surprised at seeing something like this from you.
- oldman (you can classify me in the lower classes, too, I suppose.
oldman
if i insulted you, then i apologize...and the comment had nothing to do with status...but behaviors i have observed numerous times with folks who participate in that product...i realize it is a generalization but he represents exactly what i dislike about the folks who represent AMWAY that i have come in contact with...(that includes peers and professionals who i feel prey on their staff and patients)
unfortunately i do have great disdain for that product and especially the manner in which is spread...i feel there is a lot of deception involved under the guise of Christian values and "befriending" someone...
again i apologize if i have somehow inadvertently offended you, your behaviors have never been anything but gentlemanly...and it is bothersome to me if i have caused you discomfort..
falc
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Oh ... and those who speak of Drex and Levi ... Drex left long ago when the MA started its intial stages of saturation and Levi left during the saturation when it reached critical mass ... and the main reason IMO probably being ... the "community" feel that Dan spoke of, was gone.
By and large my absence is driven by three things. I've got a (relatively) new job, and I pretty much stopped playing anything when I was job hunting. The second is that we're in the process of selling our house, so my controllers are all packed up. And the third is that these days World of Warcraft is just more fresh than Aces High when I do feel like playing something.
Unfortunately, when your controllers are all packed away, you can't fly even when you do feel the urge to log in and do it. Hopefully that'll change soon though if this damn house will ever sell.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Man, a thread isn't complete until someone calls someone else an Amway salesman.
Falconwing
Godspeed - my prayers are with you
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Man, I want to see night flying, maybe have a night flying ARENA. Then a LARGE MAP ARENA with DAY and NIGHT flying seperate.
-WMD
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Oooh night flying, yes please. Freaks me out when the earth suddenly does a 180 at about 6pm.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
oldman
if i insulted you, then i apologize
It isn't me you insulted, Falc.
The greater point is this: What we do in real life has nothing to do - at all - with our view of AH, its problems, its great points. We're all equal here. If you're a doctor and Storch sells Amway, that has no impact on whether it's better to fly in big groups, or dive from high altitudes, or work to reset the map. AW, and now AH, are ageless and vocationless (what a lousy term). I wish we had the old AW4Win screen back again, that showed the young and old, the wise and stupid, all together. Real World occupations have no bearing here. It's very important - very important - that we all remember this.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Real World occupations have no bearing here. It's very important - very important - that we all remember this.
- oldman
So what you're saying is, nobody is going to be impressed in my career as a vermin proctologist?? :huh
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Were talking about the split of LW arenas, What goes on in the EW and MW has no effect on the LW arena other than scores. The "milkrunners" have had a big impact on the scores. I think that is what B@tfink means. So those who fly in the LW arena and want the "one arena" back are the ones hurting because they can't compete with the milkrunners in the other arenas.
First let's define milkrunner. Whenever people use that term they generally are referring to bomber pilots going after toolsheds in an empty arena.
In my opinion there's a much broader definition; The act of improving rank/score against little to no opposition.
In that context the LW arenas are actually better for milking kills through hoarding, cherry picking, vulching, spawn-camping and attacking (bombing) vehicles. I view all of these activities as forms of milking, you're just milking kills, not toolsheds.
Buff milking is just as easy in the LW arenas as the EW and MW arenas. All you need is a set of AR234's or the patience to take the heavies up high.
The only real advantage the EW/MW players have relative to improving score is in field captures and possibly the general level of competition in fighters. I'm not saying there's not good pilots in EW/MW, only that some there who would appear good through their stats really aren't as good as they appear, and this seems to me to be in higher proportion than in the LWA's.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
First let's define milkrunner. Whenever people use that term they generally are referring to bomber pilots going after toolsheds in an empty arena.
In my opinion there's a much broader definition; The act of improving rank/score against little to no opposition.
In that context the LW arenas are actually better for milking kills through hoarding, cherry picking, vulching, spawn-camping and attacking (bombing) vehicles. I view all of these activities as forms of milking, you're just milking kills, not toolsheds.
Buff milking is just as easy in the LW arenas as the EW and MW arenas. All you need is a set of AR234's or the patience to take the heavies up high.
The only real advantage the EW/MW players have relative to improving score is in field captures and possibly the general level of competition in fighters. I'm not saying there's not good pilots in EW/MW, only that some there who would appear good through their stats really aren't as good as they appear, and this seems to me to be in higher proportion than in the LWA's.
bah ... LW milkers come to MW/EW to milk strat targets (without opposition) to bring their bombers and attack scores up. Throw in a few M3 and C-47 captures at the many undefended bases in EW/MW and you are now "L337" cause your rank is the shiznit.
The "milkers" are very easy to find in those arenas ... they will be the ones (4 or 5 of them) taking bases from the country that has only 1 or 2 pilots.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
It isn't me you insulted, Falc.
The greater point is this: What we do in real life has nothing to do - at all - with our view of AH, its problems, its great points. We're all equal here. If you're a doctor and Storch sells Amway, that has no impact on whether it's better to fly in big groups, or dive from high altitudes, or work to reset the map. AW, and now AH, are ageless and vocationless (what a lousy term). I wish we had the old AW4Win screen back again, that showed the young and old, the wise and stupid, all together. Real World occupations have no bearing here. It's very important - very important - that we all remember this.
- oldman
while i agree with your concept oldman...to pretend one can insult all they want as storch does (call names, taunt, morph names into insulting ones, flat out lie) as long as he doesnt use a real world issue is naive...
i find it disappointing oldman that you didnt choose to chastise storch over the last 6 months while he has had a nonstop bashing of myself and our squad which continues every day/night on bbs/ch 200...is my enjoyment of the game somehow unimportant to you and others who wish to set the boundaries of what is a cool insult or not????
i find it hypocritical and suggests that you find "virtual' insults acceptable while any mention of real life is unacceptable....
i meanwhile stick with the facts and i have not lied or made anything up...that i find his ilk of people deceptive is only consistent with his behaviors amongst the community...
Unlike you, i DO believe that people do not not invent brand new personaes when they get a cpid...that they are who they are...and the personae of the cpid is just an extension of who/what they really are...
I think it is REALLY REALLY important that we conduct ourselves as we would if the person is standing righti n front of you...and i have not strayed from that idea....what i typed to storch i would say to his face...i have tolerated his immaturity long enough...i think i let him go 3 bashing posts in this thread before i had enough...i hope what i said cut to the bone and it makes him rethink his pathetic behaviors...
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Oldman, the BoP's aren't the only squad he's tried to insult publicly.
FWIW, what WE DO FOR A LIVING impacts the game, if it didn't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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The key to the kingdom of course is to NOT react to folks taunting. They tend to move on if they can't get a reaction.
Who cares what they say. If you know it's not true, it just doesn't matter :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
The key to the kingdom of course is to NOT react to folks taunting. They tend to move on if they can't get a reaction.
Who cares what they say. If you know it's not true, it just doesn't matter :)
I can move on "easy" if it's directed at me, but invlove my squad in something they should be involved in, I cannot.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
The key to the kingdom of course is to NOT react to folks taunting. They tend to move on if they can't get a reaction.
Who cares what they say. If you know it's not true, it just doesn't matter :)
Good theory, let's test it.
P-38s are gilz planes!
Richard Simmons has two tails.
Guppy's been tuggin the yoke......................... .;)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I can move on "easy" if it's directed at me, but invlove my squad in something they should be involved in, I cannot.
I kinda figure the 80th guys are grown up enough to handle it. We're a bunch of SAPPs and Dweebs anyway. How much worse could we be? :)
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Originally posted by Shifty
Good theory, let's test it.
P-38s are gilz planes!
Richard Simmons has two tails.
Guppy's been tuggin the yoke......................... .;)
Still waiting for the insults............:)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I kinda figure the 80th guys are grown up enough to handle it. We're a bunch of SAPPs and Dweebs anyway. How much worse could we be? :)
But, I dropped it and "the 50 year old" continued. Seems like this 34 year old CAN handle it. But it's funny watching the maturity level sink below me, from those who are older than myself. :aok
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
But, I dropped it and "the 50 year old" continued. Seems like this 34 year old CAN handle it. But it's funny watching the maturity level sink below me, from those who are older than myself. :aok
And of course everyone listening knew who was being the idiot, and it wasn't you :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Still waiting for the insults............:)
Not bad. :aok
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Originally posted by Guppy35
And of course everyone listening knew who was being the idiot, and it wasn't you :)
Exactly, which was my point all along. :D I just wanted to make that point clear is all.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Not bad. :aok
Throw Corky a curveball next week. He'll nibble. :noid
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Throw Corky a curveball next week. He'll nibble. :noid
This could be a new hobby.:D
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Ahh but you missed my sublte effort to subert the Blame Karaya 2008 campaign.
Note that he agreed it wasn't his fault in my earlier post. Bad mistake for someone asking to take the blame for AH's demise in 2008. I think I might retain my title
I KNOW it's always my fault :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Ahh but you missed my sublte effort to subert the Blame Karaya 2008 campaign.
Note that he agreed it wasn't his fault in my earlier post. Bad mistake for someone asking to take the blame for AH's demise in 2008. I think I might retain my title
I KNOW it's always my fault :)
You wouldn't know what blame was if it tore yer 38G to pieces! How dare you speak of such preposterous and pomposity!!! :furious
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oooooooooowwww Let the smear campaign begin !!! :t
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You wouldn't know what blame was if it tore yer 38G to pieces! How dare you speak of such preposterous and pomposity!!! :furious
I'm sorry. You are right. It's my fault :)
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Were talking about the split of LW arenas, What goes on in the EW and MW has no effect on the LW arena other than scores. The "milkrunners" have had a big impact on the scores. I think that is what B@tfink means. So those who fly in the LW arena and want the "one arena" back are the ones hurting because they can't compete with the milkrunners in the other arenas.
:aok
thank you.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
Originally posted by The Fugitive
Were talking about the split of LW arenas, What goes on in the EW and MW has no effect on the LW arena other than scores. The "milkrunners" have had a big impact on the scores. I think that is what B@tfink means. So those who fly in the LW arena and want the "one arena" back are the ones hurting because they can't compete with the milkrunners in the other arenas.
:aok
thank you.
i could care less about score.
i like larger maps. challenging attacks. spans of terrain without radar for sneak attacks. i like a group effort and an all out war. i like flying with the group of people that i want to when i want to.
so..it's about that.
score has nothing to do with it.
anywho, i am probably going to cancel my sub until this thing gets ironed out. no fun playing, no fun arguing about it. no fun having things shift constantly without notice.
alas.
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yes i think you made those points already.
i wish i could help you have fun here, 88, i really do.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
while i agree with your concept oldman...to pretend one can insult all they want as storch does (call names, taunt, morph names into insulting ones, flat out lie) as long as he doesnt use a real world issue is naive...
i find it disappointing oldman that you didnt choose to chastise storch over the last 6 months while he has had a nonstop bashing of myself and our squad which continues every day/night on bbs/ch 200...is my enjoyment of the game somehow unimportant to you and others who wish to set the boundaries of what is a cool insult or not????
i find it hypocritical and suggests that you find "virtual' insults acceptable while any mention of real life is unacceptable....
i meanwhile stick with the facts and i have not lied or made anything up...that i find his ilk of people deceptive is only consistent with his behaviors amongst the community...
Unlike you, i DO believe that people do not not invent brand new personaes when they get a cpid...that they are who they are...and the personae of the cpid is just an extension of who/what they really are...
I think it is REALLY REALLY important that we conduct ourselves as we would if the person is standing righti n front of you...and i have not strayed from that idea....what i typed to storch i would say to his face...i have tolerated his immaturity long enough...i think i let him go 3 bashing posts in this thread before i had enough...i hope what i said cut to the bone and it makes him rethink his pathetic behaviors...
wow, nice rant:aok
I really like the part where you perceive Oldman as some naive n00b who doesnt REALLY have any credibility when it comes to dealing with people. I mean, when and where could Oldman have some form of interaction with Storch so as to have a valid opinion on the matter?
You find it dissapointing that Oldman did not "join in" to chastise Storch? Why the hell would he? Do you think this is mandatory? You're a big boy, handle up on your own issues with Storch or who ever else.
Your lame assessment of Oldman is so far off the mark that I would have to believe you have him confused with someone else. Or you have been chomping at the bit to go off on some one who you think fits your excuse to rant.
If you have such a big issue with Storch then go to HTC with it. Thats obvious. You make the choice to interact with him on the BBS. Pretty simple fix. Don't talk to him.
If you feel his remarks demand a response from you or your friends then fire away. But don't cry the blues if you don't get satisfaction from it and turn on people you don't know because it suits your point of view.
Good luck trying to change Storch:aok
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
...that i find his ilk of people deceptive is only consistent with his behaviors amongst the community...
Ah. You know what, Falc, I think I'll let you have the last word here.
- oldman
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Originally posted by SlapShot
bah ... LW milkers come to MW/EW to milk strat targets (without opposition) to bring their bombers and attack scores up. Throw in a few M3 and C-47 captures at the many undefended bases in EW/MW and you are now "L337" cause your rank is the shiznit.
The "milkers" are very easy to find in those arenas ... they will be the ones (4 or 5 of them) taking bases from the country that has only 1 or 2 pilots.
I wasn't arguing those facts, only pointing out that, other than the base taking option, it's as easy to do the other types of milking in the LWAs, and in some cases easier, than it is in EW/MW and particularily if you're milking for kills in fighter or attack mode.
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Originally posted by Slash27
wow, nice rant:aok
I really like the part where you perceive Oldman as some naive n00b who doesnt REALLY have any credibility when it comes to dealing with people. I mean, when and where could Oldman have some form of interaction with Storch so as to have a valid opinion on the matter?
oldman reads the bbs and this particualr thread...i gaurantee you that HE knows what i am referring to even though you seem to have no clue...even though oldman rarely types to me in game he felt he had enough of a basis to chastise me for responding to storch...and please dont put words in my mouth...i never called oldman a noob
You find it dissapointing that Oldman did not "join in" to chastise Storch? Why the hell would he? Do you think this is mandatory? You're a big boy, handle up on your own issues with Storch or who ever else.
i was handling it on my own...oldman on this thread decided it was worthwhile to interject how I was out of line...he had NO part of the discussion but chose to ignore the behaviors i was responding too AND instead to criticize the manner in which i was responding...
Kind of like your stupidity here...really who are you and why do you feel the need to weigh in with your comments??? Does it bother you that i choose to respond to comments DIRECTED to me?? At least i know who storch and oldman are...
Your lame assessment of Oldman is so far off the mark that I would have to believe you have him confused with someone else. Or you have been chomping at the bit to go off on some one who you think fits your excuse to rant.
as i mentioned above...if i offended oldman then that would have bothered me because he does seem like a decent guy...he says i didnt and i take him at his word...but if i didnt offend him then i have to question why he would choose to publicly chastise me for responding to Storch's nonstop tirades...
If you have such a big issue with Storch then go to HTC with it. Thats obvious. You make the choice to interact with him on the BBS. Pretty simple fix. Don't talk to him.
If you feel his remarks demand a response from you or your friends then fire away. But don't cry the blues if you don't get satisfaction from it and turn on people you don't know because it suits your point of view.
I recognize that you dont know me...and i dont expect that you would monitor this bbs or the MAs...so just trust me when i say that i ignore 75% of what storch does/says...however if I choose to respond from time to time, im again bemused by the fact that there are a few consistent folks who use it as an opportunity to suggest that it then becomes MY fault.
I wish i had the discipline dan/corky/guppy suggests and could forever let Storch's rudeness roll off my back...but his attacks are not limited to me but involve my squad and as the C.O. i feel a responsibily at times to refute the propaganda...if i thought it was worth HiTech's time, i would contact him...seems trivial in the larger picture...
Good luck trying to change Storch:aok [/B]
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Originally posted by Guppy35
The key to the kingdom of course is to NOT react to folks taunting. They tend to move on if they can't get a reaction.
Who cares what they say. If you know it's not true, it just doesn't matter :)
danny boy...i lost that kingdom long ago;) with regard to storch...
i know what you say is true, but 6+ months of this stuff is just too much...i know you read these boards enough to know what i mean..
it would suck if God was really using Storch as one of my trials to test me...i got to admit life is pretty damn good otherwise:aok
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
:cry
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this from a person who has been reported by former members of his squad to lead a tunable channel in off color remarks including baudy stories and pass it off as humor knowing fully well that minors often tune in to that frequency.
when I first read this stuff I couldn't believe it and I stated as much on this BBS. in fact I stepped up to the plate and denounced the statement as patently false in defense of falcnwng. aside from game and BBS BS at that time I believed him to be other than how the facts later proved him to be. I was incredulous with regard to the charge until after falcnwng himself confirmed it. when I read his confirmation and his vain attempt to claim humor my jaw dropped.
on more than one occassion, after killing four or five of the FoSGs, after they start the taunts on 200 my response to the FoSGs triggers a massive .report storch honking storm by the stymied seagulls, the result being a suspension of chat priviledges for myself and perhaps others simply because one player defeated many of them in their attempt to "capture" a base.
I had falcnwng on ignore but since slash27 quoted his latest whine/rant and I read it I have taken him off of ignore. ignoring is stupid and weak and I'm against such weakness I don't know why I caved in to the impulse.
frankly falcnwng I'm happy to know I get under your skin. I delight in the power you grant me. I'm gleefully impressed with your lack of self control.
the rant trying to rally players against me was especially laughable. allow me to clue you in on a factoid about human nature,
if you take ten people, any ten people from any demographic, of those ten people two will like you no matter what you do, they may not like your actions at times but they will like YOU. two of that number will dislike you no matter what you do, they may approve of your actions at times but will dislike YOU. the other six will be indifferent.
I guess I'll never like you no matter what you do and vice versa, the difference is I don't care much about anyone's opinion and least of all yours. there are very few people who's opinions carry any weight with me. with little exception, in this game, those people can be found on the JG54 roster and in life they can be found on my back porch on a warm summer day.
and I agree with slash27, if my behavior is so repugnant to you why not take it up with HTC directly?
I'm laughing right now thinking about what a soft and sheltered life you must have led thus far.
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Originally posted by Slash27
wow, nice rant:aok
Good luck trying to change Storch:aok
not just storch. it takes years, YEARS to modify one's own behavior you can forget about changing anyone else's
we accept people as they are or not at all, that is the only way.
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Originally posted by storch
not just storch. it takes years, YEARS to modify one's own behavior...
how would you know? as far as you are the example of your statements, i would argue that it could take a lifetime.. and then some ;)
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I wouldn't argue differently. ;)
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It seems to me that lifting the arena limits would let the customers decide what they wanted to do. The fact that the word "limit" is used should be saying enough.
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Yeah. Why should there be any limit? I mean you could cram another 250 people into a 500 seat movie theater if you would let people sit in the aisles.
That should improve everyone's movie going experience. Should work for NFL games and such too.
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Originally posted by Siting Duck
It seems to me that lifting the arena limits would let the customers decide what they wanted to do. The fact that the word "limit" is used should be saying enough.
while I don't like making assumptions I'll go out on a limb here and venture a guess that you were not playing nine months ago when the changes were implemented.
in my opinion proir to the changes the arena was rife with a terrible form of game play. there were mega squads, squads that for what ever reason circumvented the 32 player per squad limit and were basically ruling the arena in a mad race to reset the map and win the war while at all costs avoiding a fight. chief amongst these squads but certainly not alone was the ninety player strong birds of prey squads.
these players who adhered to this concept of fun were in the opinion of many ruining the game.
while this mode of play still exists today it has been great curtailed by HTC's wise decision to implement a form of control to curb this distasteful procession. prior to the arena change ENY limitations were implemented to prevent the flocking birds of prey (I know I know birds of prey don't flock but our species does so to the exclusion of all other forms of behavior) and others from being able to storm bases with megaarmed cartoon inventory. this device worked to an extent.
HTC then implemented the multi main arena concept allowing more players to play with greater range of choice. we in fact have far more choice now than before with the added benefit that the birds of prey (or flock of seagulls as I call them) have a much more difficult time of pissing up the arena.
from where I sit it seems to have been a good tactic by HTC.
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Just so the "it seems people have decided..." folks understand that the players haven't decided anything. They were restricted.
Toad, a theater is not dependant on customer interaction. Plus any theater would be more than happy to seat 10,000 people if the actual physical limitations were not in place. That would, unfortunately mean that the theater would have to fill those seats to justify the size... unused seats mean less money. Their limit is purely physical and cost based. If the servers are capable of handling 2000 people on-line and a large arena is not impacting that, then the limits are only being imposed to attempt to force people to do something they wouldn't otherwise do. It's the same as a theater only seating 100 people in a 250 seat theater to "encourage" them to watch some of the other films they are running.
I'm all for keeping the EW and MW arenas, but limiting the LW arenas in an attempt to restrict gameplay seems counterproductive. Leave 2 LW arenas with no limits... one with the hoard and one without. Let the customers decide which they like best.
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Actually, MiniD, HT designed the arenas for a certain level of entertainment value. Clearly, while the arena (server) can accomodate a higher number HT decided to limit the number of available seats (if you will) in order to provide a better entertainment value for his customers.
Since he's the owner/operator/designer that is a choice and an observation that he gets to make. I happen to agree with him. Some players do, some don't.
In the theater analogy, yes a huge theater could be built but the entertainment value might be quite a bit less than a smaller venue. Distance from the screen, acoustics, the noises people make, etc., etc., might well combine to make a seat in such a huge theater a much less valuable commodity when compared to a theater that was sized for a better entertainment value.
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Originally posted by Irwink!
HTC profits are the determining factor in doing anything. It is a commercial enterprise I believe. If the company's healthy with profits on the rise then they're on the right track business wise. If not, time for a change. Whichever way it is going in that sense only they know best.
Finally someone thinking outside of their own selfishness!
I just looked, so far, halfway through this tour we've had 4,000+ subscribers log in and fly. Take it from someone who has been here since the beginning (as well as somone who has seen several changes I did not care for), THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
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Originally posted by Toad
Actually, MiniD, HT designed the arenas for a certain level of entertainment value. Clearly, while the arena (server) can accommodate a higher number HT decided to limit the number of available seats (if you will) in order to provide a better entertainment value for his customers.
But, one fact of the arena caps in LW are the fact that you are often preventing squad mates from playing together.
Now, you *could* PM your squaddies and have them all move to the uncapped LW arena if one member found he can't log in, but that is the wrong answer. A whole squad is expected to change arenas to accommodate a late coming squaddie or two? What if they were in the middle of operations or a mission? What if they've found a good fight? So the choice is now stay and fly and hope the squaddie can join up later (which is not much fun for the locked out player), or abandon what you are doing to move over to the other arena.
And waiting around to log in is not always the answer either. I've seen the LW Orange arena cap drop 150 spots when LW Blue has just reset, which left the new map in LW Blue or EW, or MW left to those players joining, as LW Orange was 150 players over the cap. So no new players and no re-logging into that arena if you got discoed.
Part of the game is supposed to be the cooperative play element, and the arena caps hinder that on busy nights. So the arena split up intention was to enhance the entertainment of the game, but it has also had some negative effects on other aspects of the game. Player frustration over not being able to join squad mates in a capped arena. Unable to re-log into an arena after a disco because of arena cap. Not exactly enhanced entertainment value.
And certainly the arena split had no effect on the hordes, and milkrunning in EW and MW have made the scores and ranking numbers pointless comparisons. Not to mention the very limited number of maps in the rotation now. So, good intentions aside, was the end result of the arena split a good thing or a bad thing?
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Originally posted by Siting Duck
Leave 2 LW arenas with no limits... one with the hoard and one without. Let the customers decide which they like best.
in way that sounds idllyc. lamentably experince has shown that if the megasquads can flock they will. the game will return to being how many lemmings can I recruit and tell them they are not grubby little rodents but proud raptors .... who happen to flock...... and then run amuk in win the war madness.
I dunno, call me cynical I guess.
HTC hit upon the right formula irrespective of the rantings of the small but vocal posters who keep thunderbirding this topic.
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Then leave one unlimmited and set a 100 per country limit on the other and let people decide what they like. Stop trying to control the player base.
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Originally posted by Siting Duck
Then leave one unlimmited and set a 100 per country limit on the other and let people decide what they like. Stop trying to control the player base.
pfft. as if. do you know what a peon is? a peon outranks me in this game. take that up with HTC and continue rage against the coming of the night on the BBS then. :D
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Originally posted by Siting Duck
Then leave one unlimmited and set a 100 per country limit on the other and let people decide what they like. Stop trying to control the player base.
but that is what they are trying to do! Control the player base !! The single arena had degenerated into 3 huge hordes who continued to "backdoor" the neighboring country NEVER going head to head. It was a race to steamroll as many bases as you could before you lost too many bases of your own.
By capping the arena, and later adding another arena, they slowed the steamrolling. Now base capture is still a part of the game, but its not the "be all and end all" of the game. The GVin is back, furballs pop up here and there, and normal size squads can now make a differeance.
Your suggestion quoted above won't work, seeing as that was how it was before it was changed. It's already been proven to be a poor way to maintain a good business base.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
but that is what they are trying to do! Control the player base !! The single arena had degenerated into 3 huge hordes who continued to "backdoor" the neighboring country NEVER going head to head. It was a race to steamroll as many bases as you could before you lost too many bases of your own.
By capping the arena, and later adding another arena, they slowed the steamrolling. Now base capture is still a part of the game, but its not the "be all and end all" of the game. The GVin is back, furballs pop up here and there, and normal size squads can now make a differeance.
Your suggestion quoted above won't work, seeing as that was how it was before it was changed. It's already been proven to be a poor way to maintain a good business base.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
i was handling it on my own...oldman on this thread decided it was worthwhile to interject how I was out of line...he had NO part of the discussion but chose to ignore the behaviors i was responding too AND instead to criticize the manner in which i was responding...
Kind of like your stupidity here...really who are you and why do you feel the need to weigh in with your comments??? Does it bother you that i choose to respond to comments DIRECTED to me?? i was handling it on my own...oldman on this thread decided it was worthwhile to interject how I was out of line...he had NO part of the discussion but chose to ignore the behaviors i was responding too AND instead to criticize the manner in which i was responding...
Kind of like your stupidity here...really who are you and why do you feel the need to weigh in with your comments??? Does it bother you that i choose to respond to comments DIRECTED to me?? At least i know who storch and oldman are...
You pretend not to know who I am? Thats your response? How goofy is that?
No one here is obligated to take your side in a BBS fight. There are no rules against someone posting a response to you. ( aside from the rules)
And since your feeble mind is failing you I will clue you in as to why I felt the need to weigh in with my comments. Oldman is my friend. Does that bother you?
At least i know who storch and oldman are...
Thats so weak.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
But, one fact of the arena caps in LW are the fact that you are often preventing squad mates from playing together.
Now, you *could* PM your squaddies and have them all move to the uncapped LW arena if one member found he can't log in, but that is the wrong answer. A whole squad is expected to change arenas to accommodate a late coming squaddie or two? What if they were in the middle of operations or a mission? What if they've found a good fight? So the choice is now stay and fly and hope the squaddie can join up later (which is not much fun for the locked out player), or abandon what you are doing to move over to the other arena.
So the most important things for this squad are:
1. Being in a good fight
2. Being in the middle of operations or mission
3. The squad member not able to fly with rest of squad
I think the changes have certainly helped with 1, done nothing to 2 and occassionally caused 3. I would not want to go back to the way it was. (For what that's worth.)
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Originally posted by Slash27
You pretend not to know who I am?
Is that you John Wayne? :D
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Originally posted by Slash27
You pretend not to know who I am? Thats your response? How goofy is that?
No one here is obligated to take your side in a BBS fight. There are no rules against someone posting a response to you. ( aside from the rules)
And since your feeble mind is failing you I will clue you in as to why I felt the need to weigh in with my comments. Oldman is my friend. Does that bother you?
At least i know who storch and oldman are...
Thats so weak.
i honestly have no idea who you are...if you had a previous cpid then please share it with me....have we ever flown together or chatted?
your squad motto sees to suggest you are a member of "hells angels"...the HA's i have gotten to know or be berated by are Bucky73, coronado, bear76, chanzz and joey...if you are one of them then i apologize for not recognizing this cpid...:aok
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Slash is not "a" Hells Angel, he is "the" Hells Angel, he started the squad.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Is that you John Wayne? :D
Is this me?:D
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
i honestly have no idea who you are...if you had a previous cpid then please share it with me....have we ever flown together or chatted?
your squad motto sees to suggest you are a member of "hells angels"...the HA's i have gotten to know or be berated by are Bucky73, coronado, bear76, chanzz and joey...if you are one of them then i apologize for not recognizing this cpid...:aok
No dude. We have never talked. Ever.
I have a fragile ego and I seek constant attention to my sweet bellybutton fake pilot skills.
My bad.
Carry on.
numbnut goofball
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:p
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Originally posted by Shifty
Is that you John Wayne? :D
Somebody called???:aok
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
Somebody called???:aok
ya someone said where's maureen o'hara good thing you responded too or they were going to replace you with lorraine day.
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ranger why do you guys always honk back in flock mode? aww he thought better of it and erased his post.
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FOUL!
Numbnut whatever?
Name calling ?
ya nosel nut , ladder luggin, fire starting pinhead
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Storch, anytime you want a piece, come get some sweetheart. Until then, leave me out of your pathetic attempts for attention. You are not worth my time.
numbnuts goofball? Thank you Slash for raising the maturity level 3 notches higher. Is that the stuff one can expect from a AvA staff member?
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Oh, and storch, when you continually attack an entire squad, I believe any member of the squad has the right to post a response. So take your "flock mode" and (http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6664/censored2ku2.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
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ranger every time I ask a member of your squad to go to the DA that is pat honk response. I'm not worth their time. so far the only ones that have gone are ink who has now gone off on his own and jollyfe. how is it that you guy's time is perceived to be so valuable?
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I am very sad, but I have serious plans about to cancel my account with Aces High.
This is sad, because I`ve been with HiTech and Pyro since the early Warbirds days.
I signed up the first possible day of Aces High beta, and been a paying member since that.
But with this awful arena dividing, and (In my opinion) the horrible CT coming up (sometime), I hardly see any joy with Aces High anymore.
One of Aces High`s strongest advantages was one server/one arena.
You knew that your friends/squad mates where right there.
Same was your good old arch enemy.
Now, there is several places for people to be, usually there is several people that I want to fly with, on the server that has max players in it, so it is impossible to join.
This has totally ruined my experience, and is driving me against the edge.
I have been thinking of this for several months now, and probably will for some more, just hoping for a miracle.
HiTech and Pyro where living for their players in the beginning, I simply just dont think they are doing this anymore.
I believe they have lost their original objective out of sight, and are determined to follow through their plans, no matter what the cost is.
(Original objective= realistic/best WWII flightsim, made to be incredible fun to play)
:cry
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A couple of side notes:
Slash is not John Wayne, he is Spartacus, which means he is an over-oiled homo erotic Roman.
Maureen O'Hara was UBER[/b] hot.
Please continue.
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The only time that room limits have been a problem to me is when players are logging out. That is either at a reset or when it is coming out off peak US times. It is at this point arena limits plunge leaving more players in the arena than the limits allow.
I fully understand why HTC has the limits reducing on both LW at the same time. It is to keep the arenas balanced so when peak time approaches you are not left with a large gap between them.
e.g. If limits did not go below 250 you may face a scenario of:
Orange: In 250 limit 250
Blue: In 10 limit 250.
Would you like to be joining Blue at this time? I don't think so.
I think the limits are fine but they need to be more dynamic and sensitive to peak and non-peak times. Perhaps having different rules during these times. Not sure what they should be but there must be an answer.
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Originally posted by USRanger
numbnuts goofball? Thank you Slash for raising the maturity level 3 notches higher. Is that the stuff one can expect from a AvA staff member?
yes
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Originally posted by Grits
Slash is not John Wayne, he is Spartacus, which means he is an over-oiled homo erotic Roman.
Thank you?:huh
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Originally posted by Slash27
Thank you?:huh
Ugh. Just got a mental picture... must ... try.... to... force...from... mind....arrrggghhh.....
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There. Out. Phew. That was a close one. Thanks Grits for spoiling my dinner. :D
On a serious note USRanger, if you catch Slash online flying in the AvA on Thursdays, he usually flies naked with clear-plastic high-heels. Grits is known to wear a skirt on squad night - but don't hold that against him.
I'm told that Oldman often flies after a few nips of real nice expensive Scotch in his aircraft, and if you ask nicely, he might share.
I on the other hand, don't wear heels or skirts, or fly with alcohol on my breath, I'm a Canuck where we lead developed nations in ganna smoking. Around three sorties, I get wicked munchies for some reason with the giggles. :D
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Ugh. Just got a mental picture... must ... try.... to... force...from... mind....arrrggghhh.....
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There. Out. Phew. That was a close one. Thanks Grits for spoiling my dinner. :D
On a serious note USRanger, if you catch Slash online flying in the AvA on Thursdays, he usually flies naked with clear-plastic high-heels. Grits is known to wear a skirt on squad night - but don't hold that against him.
I'm told that Oldman often flies after a few nips of real nice expensive Scotch in his aircraft, and if you ask nicely, he might share.
I on the other hand, don't wear heels or skirts, or fly with alcohol on my breath, I'm a Canuck where we lead developed nations in ganna smoking. Around three sorties, I get wicked munchies for some reason with the giggles. :D
Had to start wearing panty hose. Damn pleather was giving a monster rash:(
I like how Fork pretends not to fancy the oil.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Slash27
Had to start wearing panty hose. Damn pleather was giving a monster rash:(
I like how Fork pretends not to fancy the oil.:rolleyes:
Oh, he fancies, a lot.
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I give this thread five 'tards up.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
I give this thread five 'tards up.
Yknurd - An important part of being serious about any game, is not to take yourself too seriously.
Slash - Oil - yeah, don't like how it feels on the throat after a while. Also makes me too sleepy and gives me bad gas.:D
Unless ur referring to how I fly all oiled up on squadnight.- so slippery, nothing sticks to me. Of course, it PO's the missus when I sleep after flying - she says it ruins the sheets.
:noid
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So many ways for this thread to go from here :D
Step away from the keyboard ROC....step away...
so tempting...... no, must not give in to the temptation.....
Mr. Spock, help me focus...
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Well this thread is peatering out. Lets start a pool to see when the next "Bring back the MA" thread starts ! I got the 27th at 11:04 PM EST :D
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:lol should I post my response now?
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Originally posted by fungi987
FOUL!
Numbnut whatever?
Name calling ?
ya nosel nut , ladder luggin, fire starting pinhead
whoa, missed this:rofl
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Sorry to re-hijack the thread.
I don't really have a problem with the split arena system at all, but we definitely need more maps in the rotation.
Logged on last night. One LW arena was full, and the early and mid's had very few people, so i wound up in the LW arena with the Tank Town map. The warping that happens over certain parts of tank town ruins what could be fun fights.
It seems that it takes a while for the small maps to get reset anyway, so why not bring back a big map as a test for a week, and reset it on wednesday like the old days.
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If more people would fly MW, the AH world would be a better place....(note to self, fly more in MW)
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Originally posted by lagger86
If more people would fly MW, the AH world would be a better place....(note to self, fly more in MW)
:rofl
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Originally posted by lagger86
If more people would fly MW, the AH world would be a better place....(note to self, fly more in MW)
If the MW had 500 or more players in it, i'd be there!
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Please, pretty please with the Beulah Twins on top.
:aok :aok :aok ;)
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
If the MW had 500 or more players in it, i'd be there!
If it had 500, I'd quit going there. It's a great 50-100 arena. Half the maps have serious suckage though.
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:aok
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Originally posted by Toad
If it had 500, I'd quit going there
If I had 500, I'd buy a couple 24 of bud beer and order the next Ultimate Fighting Championship and invite my buddies over for pizza and beer. Maybe even throw in a few topless waitresses, and one topless male for Slash. Grits is a bit of a waitress hog though. Might have to have one just for him.
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....punt....
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:aok
-BigBOBCH
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For just a week, day or even one hour :D. Please :(
<S>, Kazaa.
You got your wish...
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why bring back a year old thread??
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...............wow........... (http://www.wbodydb.com/forumpics/old_thread.jpg)
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yeah kicking an old thread is probably gonna bring out the lock.... I liked the MA setup better and wish it was back but I PROMISED I wouldn't complain if we had at least one day a week and we have Titanic Tuesdays and for that, I AM grateful.
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....punt....
...Lock...
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Why not bring back the MA, one arena then run the war according to history.
Each month in this one MAIN Arena, we start MA with the Early war era then as the war progress we would move onto MID war era and for the final push to secure victory we all finish up with the LATE war era.
This approach I strong believe will satisfy all the waring sides.
Don't you all agree..
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No, and thankfully neither does the developer of the game.
ack-ack
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See Rule #13