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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: CAP1 on February 21, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
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from the ava......logged in around 7:30pm. was non-stop action the entire time. some good fights, some bad fights, some great furballs, some sneaky flying......all fun.
BTW,.......we need a clean up in isle 14 please!! bring the heave equipment in.
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from the ava......logged in around 7:30pm. was non-stop action the entire time. some good fights, some bad fights, some great furballs, some sneaky flying......all fun.
BTW,.......we need a clean up in isle 14 please!! bring the heave equipment in.
Have to agree with alot of Bad fights I am sorry to say this but since I have been flying AvA now non stop it is not like back in the Day when the Fights were clean and fun Ya call it a whine thread and all but tonight got to the point where I went to GV Command got tired of the 10k plus alts getting ganged and all and I understand we want new blood in there and all and make the arena stronger , but I really feel it is going the wrong way and not the scenario based 2 weeks of historical battles the we all sit and plan out for this arena to give people a true meaning at times of history and all. I love the AvA with the no Icons and it has helped me greatly with SA (at Times when I do not get greedy) and lately I been flying with no tracers to get used to judging distance instead of relying on tracers, I am sorry for the whine but I think alot of the new comers here are not understanding the meaning behind the AvA arena
My whine post for the month
Crazy8s :furious
PS I may be blame for some of this but I been whipping my squadies about the AvA Ethics also dam been pushing them to come here and all I want to see the Ava Survive and become a good arena to play in but in the same Time we do not need another MA arena and lately it seems like that is what it is turning into :frown:
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Sorry that I am not able to play. I am stuck on a new system build. The old vid card burped its last breath.
From what I am hearing, I don't believe this is a new occurrence. Just looking at the plane set and the map, I would imagine the high altitude fighters would be 109s and Spit Vs (possibly a C2 here and there).
Not every setup will play the same fast paced, wrestling down in the weeds dogfights. When certain aircraft are available the veteran pilots fly them to their greatest advantage. The size of the map and the placement of radar and bases, are usually the only other factors that control where the action takes place.
One other factor can be used to direct fights between pre scripted altitudes, but I would only make the suggestion to change the wind conditions in a new setup. I would let this week play out the way that it is. In fact, I think that high altitude fights should be just as welcome in the arena as any other.
I will say though, if you are in a P40B and a 109 decides to play hi yo yo cat and mouse with you, your best survival method would be to go find another fight, or find a willing wingman to help to draw him out of position. I show my tail feathers, and hope for an overshoot and possible good hits as he shoots on by.
And as far as recording a whine, I believe that I hold that record for that in the AvA :D I have protested loud and long about the taters and cannons vs. mgs. Also, the P40 vs. just about anything. It has only been recently, after meeting and flying with other "Shadow Chasers" that I have picked up enough tips to make just about any engagement, lopsided or not be a fun experience.
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Have to agree with alot of Bad fights I am sorry to say this but since I have been flying AvA now non stop it is not like back in the Day when the Fights were clean and fun Ya call it a whine thread and all but tonight got to the point where I went to GV Command got tired of the 10k plus alts getting ganged and all and I understand we want new blood in there and all and make the arena stronger , but I really feel it is going the wrong way and not the scenario based 2 weeks of historical battles the we all sit and plan out for this arena to give people a true meaning at times of history and all. I love the AvA with the no Icons and it has helped me greatly with SA (at Times when I do not get greedy) and lately I been flying with no tracers to get used to judging distance instead of relying on tracers, I am sorry for the whine but I think alot of the new comers here are not understanding the meaning behind the AvA arena
My whine post for the month
Crazy8s :furious
PS I may be blame for some of this but I been whipping my squadies about the AvA Ethics also dam been pushing them to come here and all I want to see the Ava Survive and become a good arena to play in but in the same Time we do not need another MA arena and lately it seems like that is what it is turning into :frown:
honestly crazy, i actually logged out of the AvA last week just for this reason. i go to AvA because i expect less hording, ganging, HOing, etc but lately because of the new guys we've been getting alot of it. I love the arena i just dont expect MA standards in there because that was what i was trained not to do by AvA regulars in there. In the MAs i believe everything is fair game, in AvA i was trained this is not so. Honestly if we cant beat them, im going to join them soon while in AvA... i dont want to do that...
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This isn't a complaint..just a concern. I get the feeling that at times AvA is becoming like MA. Last night a player sat at our field and continuely blasted our spawn with a GV. Yes...could up from another field in an AC, but whats the difference in that and vulching? I even attempted to spawn in a ground vehicle inside the hangar and was killed before I could even get engines started. There has also been an increase in knocking out radar, hangars and other ground objects. There was a bit of HOing last night as well. Just my thoughts. Maybe my idea of what AvA is suppose to be is incorrect.
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ya'll need to step off your "i have standards" pedestals and think before whining...yes i see :cry :cry :cry ....learn to accept the fact that the diaper gang out numbers the adults in ah...the diaper gang is going to poop somewhere you don't like...you need to figure out how to have your "idea of fun" and enjoy yourself in the midst of the diaper gang and other adults who don't share your ideology...learn how to spoil the idiots fun, and they will leave...letting the actions of others dictate what you do, then complaining about it, is feeding their egos...they know how to get to you and will continue until you leave.
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Sorry that I am not able to play. I am stuck on a new system build. The old vid card burped its last breath.
From what I am hearing, I don't believe this is a new occurrence. Just looking at the plane set and the map, I would imagine the high altitude fighters would be 109s and Spit Vs (possibly a C2 here and there).
Not every setup will play the same fast paced, wrestling down in the weeds dogfights. When certain aircraft are available the veteran pilots fly them to their greatest advantage. The size of the map and the placement of radar and bases, are usually the only other factors that control where the action takes place.
One other factor can be used to direct fights between pre scripted altitudes, but I would only make the suggestion to change the wind conditions in a new setup. I would let this week play out the way that it is. In fact, I think that high altitude fights should be just as welcome in the arena as any other.
I will say though, if you are in a P40B and a 109 decides to play hi yo yo cat and mouse with you, your best survival method would be to go find another fight, or find a willing wingman to help to draw him out of position. I show my tail feathers, and hope for an overshoot and possible good hits as he shoots on by.
And as far as recording a whine, I believe that I hold that record for that in the AvA :D I have protested loud and long about the taters and cannons vs. mgs. Also, the P40 vs. just about anything. It has only been recently, after meeting and flying with other "Shadow Chasers" that I have picked up enough tips to make just about any engagement, lopsided or not be a fun experience.
it was mostly 109's and c-2's up there. if i'd take my p-40 to 10k, there was always a few 109's above me. at those points i was too slow to fight, so i'd nose over, build some speed, and hope they'd follow.....mostly they wouldn't. the 1 or 2 that did got me, but that's because they had so much speed built up from the fact that they were already diving on me, i couldn't get out of their guns range to turn......most of the others were staying high. if they did come low, then it was a fun fight.
what's bothersome, is that this map generally generates a lot of low alt. fights.
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ya'll need to step off your "i have standards" pedestals and think before whining...yes i see :cry :cry :cry ....learn to accept the fact that the diaper gang out numbers the adults in ah...the diaper gang is going to poop somewhere you don't like...you need to figure out how to have your "idea of fun" and enjoy yourself in the midst of the diaper gang and other adults who don't share your ideology...learn how to spoil the idiots fun, and they will leave...letting the actions of others dictate what you do, then complaining about it, is feeding their egos...they know how to get to you and will continue until you leave.
I get my bellybutton handed to me every night...many times over and never complain because I know most of you have been flying cartoon combat planes many years longer than I have. I have no preconceptions that I'm going to be good at this without spending some time figuring out how to out manaever the bad guys. I dont know of any online game where spawn killing is an OK thing to do. I ronically, later in the evening one of my fellow countryman even warned us to back off the enemy base so that they could get airborne. So yeah..i'm starting to see that there are those out there that do not have a sense of fair play. Im just venting my opinion and concerns. I think I have the right to do that.
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Just a suggestion here because I'd do it.
If I knew a countryman was sitting in a GV doing that I'd try to get him to cut it out politely and diplomatically. If he gave me any grief I'd put a black mark next to his name in my mind and shun him from there on out or at least until he changed his ways. Peer pressure is an effective tool in my book.
Gotta go now. I actually have work to do.
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i know who it was that was camping you......never saw him before.
i do also know that at times, it was impossible to get off the ground at 19. or if they did let us up, they swooped in at "plaid" picking guys off that were still well below 200mph climbing out.
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PS I may be blame for some of this but I been whipping my squadies about the AvA Ethics also dam been pushing them to come here and all I want to see the Ava Survive and become a good arena to play in but in the same Time we do not need another MA arena and lately it seems like that is what it is turning into
You and many others have done a really great job of getting people interested in the AvA. Consequently we're seeing many new faces (and a few old ones, too). Most of them probably aren't accustomed to a low-numbers arena with a Cheers bar atmosphere (and after I fly in the MAs for a few minutes I wouldn't expect them to!). Some will stay, some will leave, but the ones who stay will sooner or later be assimilated. The customs we're so proud of aren't generally the result of any altruism, but evolved from the nature of the arena.
I flew for over an hour there last night, on both sides. I saw a fair amount of HOing, a fair amount of ganging and some picking. From both sides. I also had some really great fights, many of them against people I'd never met, and observed newcomers asking if they should break squad unity so they could balance the sides. I hope to meet some of them again. It works out in the end, dude. Those who pride themselves on their rank or scores will gravitate back to places where it's easier for them to maximize those numbers and where there are more people who respect that sort of thing. We'll keep the others.
- oldman
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ya'll need to step off your "i have standards" pedestals and think before whining...yes i see :cry :cry :cry ....learn to accept the fact that the diaper gang out numbers the adults in ah...the diaper gang is going to poop somewhere you don't like...you need to figure out how to have your "idea of fun" and enjoy yourself in the midst of the diaper gang and other adults who don't share your ideology...learn how to spoil the idiots fun, and they will leave...letting the actions of others dictate what you do, then complaining about it, is feeding their egos...they know how to get to you and will continue until you leave.
reread my post and you'll realize i have no standards i am just trying to fly to AvA standards to make everyone around me in here happy... <S>
P.S. and dont bring this discussion into the Gen Dis because you want to shoot me down
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You and many others have done a really great job of getting people interested in the AvA. Consequently we're seeing many new faces (and a few old ones, too). Most of them probably aren't accustomed to a low-numbers arena with a Cheers bar atmosphere (and after I fly in the MAs for a few minutes I wouldn't expect them to!). Some will stay, some will leave, but the ones who stay will sooner or later be assimilated. The customs we're so proud of aren't generally the result of any altruism, but evolved from the nature of the arena.
I flew for over an hour there last night, on both sides. I saw a fair amount of HOing, a fair amount of ganging and some picking. From both sides. I also had some really great fights, many of them against people I'd never met, and observed newcomers asking if they should break squad unity so they could balance the sides. I hope to meet some of them again. It works out in the end, dude. Those who pride themselves on their rank or scores will gravitate back to places where it's easier for them to maximize those numbers and where there are more people who respect that sort of thing. We'll keep the others.
- oldman
i had a couple of kills......but no really drag out fights, till i gave up, and killed the trackir for the night. i just couldn't keep an eye on 3, 4, and 5 cons with it yet.
i hate to say it, but crazy's right....last night the arena was not the arena we all pro-port it to be. it was simply a miniture lw style arena.
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You and many others have done a really great job of getting people interested in the AvA. Consequently we're seeing many new faces (and a few old ones, too). Most of them probably aren't accustomed to a low-numbers arena with a Cheers bar atmosphere (and after I fly in the MAs for a few minutes I wouldn't expect them to!). Some will stay, some will leave, but the ones who stay will sooner or later be assimilated. The customs we're so proud of aren't generally the result of any altruism, but evolved from the nature of the arena.
I flew for over an hour there last night, on both sides. I saw a fair amount of HOing, a fair amount of ganging and some picking. From both sides. I also had some really great fights, many of them against people I'd never met, and observed newcomers asking if they should break squad unity so they could balance the sides. I hope to meet some of them again. It works out in the end, dude. Those who pride themselves on their rank or scores will gravitate back to places where it's easier for them to maximize those numbers and where there are more people who respect that sort of thing. We'll keep the others.
- oldman
Well put Oldman <S>.
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and killed the trackir for the night.
Shame, shame on you! :old:
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ya'll need to step off your "i have standards" pedestals and think before whining...yes i see :cry :cry :cry ....learn to accept the fact that the diaper gang out numbers the adults in ah...the diaper gang is going to poop somewhere you don't like...you need to figure out how to have your "idea of fun" and enjoy yourself in the midst of the diaper gang and other adults who don't share your ideology...learn how to spoil the idiots fun, and they will leave...letting the actions of others dictate what you do, then complaining about it, is feeding their egos...they know how to get to you and will continue until you leave.
thats why Parked my spitty and went Gving thought it was kinda funny watching them swoop down and try to strafe me thru the main gun and when they get close enough Bam HE or AP round to the cockpit, I had a co pilot last night I let my little 5 yr old drive my m4 and he had a blast blowing buildings up at A18 but after an hr of sitting there ya can only do so much damage and he wanted to drive back to base so we split and made the journey home, Hey I am aloud 1 whine post I do not make them to much just speak from the heart on how I feel thats all.
Crazy8s
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Shame, shame on you! :old:
i couldn't help it. i needed to at least land a kill or 2...........
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I agree with OM also.
The cream Will rise to the top . Its all part of the growing pain. No reason to give up on it.
All we can do is lead by example. Its up to us to help educate.
I Simply help the new guys by talking to them politely on coms or text .
If I see and engaged wing man,Ill ask,, oh I see your engaged do you want help?
I WILL NEVER CLEAR SOMEONES 12,or vulch, or Ho,
If some one does this to me, I politely let them know that type of flying is frowned on by many that frequent the arena. That usually gets em on-board.
The kind that we want here will adjust the kind we don't wont stay here for long.
Those that get way to out of line will start to feel out of place if they don't catch on to what the AVA is all about.
Those that come here with the "airquake mentality" wont sick around for long.
Also many are not used to the NI environment and need time to adjust.
They are fighting to stay alive doing something they are not used too.
We cant control everything, its a public server and we don't own it.
To me the AvA it far better than the alternative.
i had a couple of kills......but no really drag out fights, till i gave up, and killed the trackir for the night. i just couldn't keep an eye on 3, 4, and 5 cons with it yet.
Why not? If that's hapening your settings are off if you cant trak 3,4,5, cons somthing is wrong.
Biggest thing pepole do is move their heads to radically. You should barley have to move your head to look over your shoulder or up or down. If you are barley moving your head and and you cant track then you need to slow down or speed up the tri to match your head movement. Your profile needs to be created so that your views are fluid with out much head movement at all.
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After a couple of weeks off with rig malfunctions, I got on last night. It was good to see the numbers, old and new faces, and the twin rivers map (Yeah, Ranger! :aok) But, then I got a bit confused and had to double check the arena I was really in.
We definitely had ourselves a full blown MA going, ripe with HOs and many 5 or 6 v 1s. And then, an all time favorite (and what is a sign of weak desperation), get engaged in a great 1 v 1 and then have a friendly and a couple of his buds dive into the fight (uninvited and unneeded) once the bandit's energy is depleted and start hammering away.
To you guys that have that burning need for fast, cheap shot kills, simply go to the opposite side's base and vulch them as they spawn or get a GV and camp their hangar(oh, that was going on last night also). You'll get way more kills faster that way and with a whole lot less effort. Oh, yeah, that's how it's done in the MAs day in and day out and with hundreds more cheap kills to be had.
So, it begs the question; if you are looking for a lot of quick, cheap, kills, why roam an arena with relatively lower numbers vs the MAs where you can rack 'em up really quick and get your name in lights on the Aces High home page? Not trying to discourage anyone from participating in the AvA, just a thought. :joystick:
Check Six! :uhoh
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I agree with OM also.
The cream Will rise to the top . Its all part of the growing pain. No reason to give up on it.
All we can do is lead by example. Its up to us to help educate.
I Simply help the new guys by talking to them politely on coms or text .
If I see and engaged wing man,Ill ask,, oh I see your engaged do you want help?
I WILL NEVER CLEAR SOMEONES 12,or vulch, or Ho,
If some one does this to me, I politely let them know that type of flying is frowned on by many that frequent the arena. That usually gets em on-board.
The kind that we want here will adjust the kind we don't wont stay here for long.
Those that get way to out of line will start to feel out of place if they don't catch on to what the AVA is all about.
Those that come here with the "airquake mentality" wont sick around for long.
Also many are not used to the NI environment and need time to adjust.
They are fighting to stay alive doing something they are not used too.
We cant control everything, its a public server and we don't own it.
To me the AvA it far better than the alternative.
Why not? If that's hapening your settings are off if you cant trak 3,4,5, cons somthing is wrong.
Biggest thing pepole do is move their heads to radically. You should barley have to move your head to look over your shoulder or up or down. If you are barley moving your head and and you cant track then you need to slow down or speed up the tri to match your head movement. Your profile needs to be created so that your views are fluid with out much head movement at all.
i think my inability to track multiple cons right now, is me, not the trackir. i'm learning all over again. i have to think what i need to do, and even in cartoon combat, if you have to think about it, it's too late.
what i think i'm doing, is moving my head too fast, or too much, as i'm still working with dots profile, making minor adjustments to suit me.......but when i move around, and look at different views, in non-combat situations, it all works fine. when i get into combat, it goes screwy, which means i'm spazzing out or something. time will get it for me.
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i hate to say it, but crazy's right....last night the arena was not the arena we all pro-port it to be. it was simply a miniture lw style arena.
The thing is we shouldn't be purporting the arena to be anything that we don't have control over. That creates unrealistic expectations.
The arena has Axis V Allies historical type plane sets and some different settings. That is what should be the draw.
If we keep going on about how it's a gentlemans dueling arena, we keep opening ourselves up to the same old threads about how "AvA sucks, because I was told this or that and found out this wasn't the case."
We simply can't control how people choose to fly.
Only HTC could do this by auto disabling guns on face to face merges, or have killshooter turn on when players are attacked within a couple hundred feet from or above their own base, or some other automatic settings that enforce some style of play.
You do what you want as peers. If you think you should suggest how people play, then go ahead, but use the pm function so we don't have to deal with cross channel arguments..
As for staff, we can make general friendly suggestions, but I just don't think HTC wants us to try to browbeat players into behaving how we think they should.
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they cant disable guns in a face to face merge that i know of unless they re-code the game. killshooter only pertains to shooting someone on your own side.
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they cant disable guns in a face to face merge that i know of unless they re-code the game. killshooter only pertains to shooting someone on your own side.
That's my point.
Only HTC has the power to create the tools to enforce a certain style of play.
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That's my point.
Only HTC has the power to create the tools to enforce a certain style of play.
Or we can tell sombody not to be a dink ..and hope they get it.. :ahand
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Or we can tell sombody not to be a dink ..and hope they get it.. :ahand
Several of us tried to convey this to the GV that was working the spawn area at the field. The only reason he stopped was because he ran out of ammo and that was from his own admission. I dont really know if his fellow countryman were aware of what he was doing.
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i think my inability to track multiple cons right now, is me, not the trackir. i'm learning all over again. i have to think what i need to do, and even in cartoon combat, if you have to think about it, it's too late.
what i think i'm doing, is moving my head too fast, or too much, as i'm still working with dots profile, making minor adjustments to suit me.......but when i move around, and look at different views, in non-combat situations, it all works fine. when i get into combat, it goes screwy, which means i'm spazzing out or something. time will get it for me.
For me, the in combat scenario was also the toughest thing to get used. It was hard to slow my head movement and allow the track IR to move smoothly. It takes time to train yourself and tweak the TIR settings to get it just right. It was also helpful to spend time in the offline flying and tweaking. Hang in there with it. When you get it perfected, you'll never want to go back to HAT and wonder why you didn't do TIR sooner. :aok
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Several of us tried to convey this to the GV that was working the spawn area at the field. The only reason he stopped was because he ran out of ammo and that was from his own admission. I dont really know if his fellow countryman were aware of what he was doing.
People like that make me wish I had some kind of power and an 'instaboom' button :devil
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Or we can tell sombody not to be a dink ..and hope they get it.. :ahand
LOL Some guy flying a Spit is going to tell you not to be a dink for keeping alt and E instead of dropping into a low slow turn fight where they have all the advantage.
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it seems from all the posts about last night, that it was just another one of those "random-seldom off nights" that has showed its ugly self again, like so many other times in the last 9 or 10 yrs of this arenas existence......
every now and then something like this will happen....... just move on to the next time you are up flying....... if it continues to happen, and happen more frequntly, one can account it to
- A new squad ( or squads ) have decided to make their new home the AvsA
- this is the same thing that has in the past drove people to stop participating in the AvsA and it turned into a "Ghost Town" - AGAIN
- this is the new form of what the AvsA is all about multiple wingmen ( 2 to 6 etc ) working in tandem to bring down 1 con...
- certain squads log in, see that their is maybe 2 axis and 3 bishops, so the 3 or 4 just logged in squadmates all jump on the bishops and now make it 6 or 7 to 2, with no regard of being civil, they must indeed have to fly as 4 wingmen vs 1.....it is just what they do....so now it ends up being 6 allied vs 1 axis. then it ends up being 6 allied vs 0 axis... and then they start milking , all in the name of the squad :aok ( I know of and have witnessed 3 so called squads in the past 1 or 2 months personally with this atitude of "we all working on wingman tactics, sorry, or we would split and even up the sides )........ that type of stuff should be worked on in the TA or DA.....not in the AvsA when the numbers are low and suddenly become so skewed out of proportion.......
- some of those same squad's members come on here and talk with a split tongue / forked tongue......
- or I seriously suggest to just take it all with a grain of salt...... and just have some fun
but what do I know, I have been flamed, etc... for voicing what I see happening, and now certian people act like some others I knew several years ago....back when these new certian people were not even around...... ( talk about trying to make it somebodys own personal sandbox .....geez )
hope to see some of ya'll online...... I been unable to attend in the evenings, but have found some luck the last 2 days with waiting on some to show up or 2 or 3 be there when I look and check inthe mornings.....
keep up the excellent work AvsA Staff :cheers:
TC
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Yall sure are throwing that 'dink' word around quite a bit. It's frighteningly close to 'Dich'.
You boys trying to say something? :furious
:D
*holds up a bottle of Tequila and runs away just to test the theory :devil
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LOL Some guy flying a Spit is going to tell you not to be a dink for keeping alt and E instead of dropping into a low slow turn fight where they have all the advantage.
i think he was referencing the other guys....the one's hoing, ganging, etc.....
several times when i'd go for a con, if i saw more than 2 on him, i'd turn off, and go look for another fight...........
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:D
*holds up a bottle of Tequila and runs away just to test the theory :devil
if only I could get there from here, Dicho......if only :D
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if only I could get there from here, Dicho......if only :D
There would be some stories.
Actually there was a hidden thought behind that post. Bottom line is I play to HAVE FUN!!! Always have always will. I'm actually bummed because I think my power supply is dying and game play is too unstable to mess with. Hopefully get it fixed in the next week or two.
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There would be some stories.
Actually there was a hidden thought behind that post. Bottom line is I play to HAVE FUN!!! Always have always will. I'm actually bummed because I think my power supply is dying and game play is too unstable to mess with. Hopefully get it fixed in the next week or two.
PM me your PC details/specs.... I might have a PSU I can give you.... if it is powerful enough
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well, here's the deal.
jaeger, oldman, shifty, ranger, and a whole host of others have poured a TON of time into this arena, in order to give us a good fun playground. we need to not let this go to waste. i don't know how, but we need to keep it going as it has been.......
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PM me your PC details/specs.... I might have a PSU I can give you.... if it is powerful enough
will do when I get home <S>
Cap
I think all we can do as 'regulars' is continue to conduct ourselves in a positive manner even when we're grouchy for one reason or another. As stated before that, I think, will help retain a base as the population in the arena ebbs and flows.
An example.. Oldman has been here forever and I have tons of respect for him for the way he conducts himself. If he were to send me a pm because I was stepping on my crank and didn't know it to be honest it would sting and I'd shape up. I guess what I'm saying is, as group and individually, the way we comport ourselves should be always in a respectful and professional manner and earn respect from the player base. There's always going to be the smarmy troll that's going to do whatever they want to do. It's impossible for that not to happen.
Well that's the way I intend to play regardless.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing. I'd rather have it be a minimum of hoing, vultching etc.
I certainly don't vultch and if I ever ho it's in the heat of the moment snapshot when I wasn't so sure of a bandits direction or something.
As far as ganging, it's just not so black and white sometimes.
If I see a country mate about to get waxed and I clear his six, am I ganging or picking?
The same person who might appreciate being saved in that situation, might complain when he is shot off of someone's tail just before he could line up for the kill.
Often it's in the eye of the beholder in a particular situation, and that makes it pretty tough to come up with some sort of "Code of Conduct."
I certainly don't know the answers.
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well, here's the other thing.
i hadn't intended this thread to turn into this. i simply wanted to note to those that think there's never any action in there that there was indeed 2 solid hours of action, which was still going strong when i logged out.
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See what you started? :D
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing. I'd rather have it be a minimum of hoing, vultching etc.
I certainly don't vultch and if I ever ho it's in the heat of the moment when I wasn't so sure of a bandits direction. definitely nothing wrong with that, jimson
As far as ganging, it's just not so black and white sometimes. I agree "Sometimes" it is hard to tell, but others it is very easy to see
If I see a country mate about to get waxed and I clear his six, am I ganging or picking? you're doing neither, you are helping your country mate
The same person who might appreciate being saved in that situation, might complain when he is shot off of someone's tail just before he could line up for the kill. this is so true
Often it's in the eye of the beholder in a particular situation, and that makes it pretty tough to come up with some sort of "Code of Conduct." In my view, the good conduct / good gameplay etiquette / civil behavior, stuff in this arena is all unwritten rules and desires that have manifested and come to be long ago and the AvsA Staff and the regular players of this particular arena help uphold these virtues / values by kind of self policing and peer pressure
I certainly don't know the answers. noone does, but the AvsA staff seem to have a good handle on things :salute
my answers or views of your post, jimson ( in blue test )
CAP1 - it is what this forum is for, to get things out in the open and on the table, for discussion........ that is the only way to let the AvsA Staff know how things are going in the Arena and these discussions sometimes bring forth new possible ideas......and as for last night, yes at 10PM roughly I saw 35 in there on the roster, but I had prior arangement on helping/working with an individual, so I was unable to come fly with ya'll
:salute
TC
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- some of those same squad's members come on here and talk with a split tongue / forked tongue......
Which ones are that? :headscratch:
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Dropped in yesterday around 2pm cali time - with a couple of squaddies. Ended up switching sides to balance out the numbers (and get some practise in a 109). Had a blast, literally. There was some ganging going on, but nothing special.
Had a cracking fight with Texican, 1 v 1 - lost, but had an awesome amount of fun during it. Found it difficult to find the opposing force (no icons to help me out and I'm old n feeble etc etc). Started getting the hang of looking down (whilst I was the amazing height of 3k or so) which gave me the "idea" I was too high.
Killed a few, got killed a few, overall I had a great time - I must admit, every time I up I expect to get ho'd, ganged, bounced etc etc - but didnt get any of that yesterday.
Ymmv, as most of you have more time in here than me, but just a different perspective (Think it depends on the time you get in maybe?)
Wurzel (still looking for cap and dicho)
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it's not caps fault some people chose to focus on the negative things that occurred rather than the those things they found enjoyable...just like getting ho'd, ganged, picked, vulched, etc...it happens.
as several have pointed out...as more people enter the ava, things we don't like are going to occur more often until those people realize there is a slightly different mentality in there...then they will either adapt or leave...
focusing on and pointing out the negative actions of others just feeds more of the same...point in fact...last week the ak's came to the arena as a squad for the first time...the same stuff that got pointed out as a problem within the ava in this discussion occurred then...by a lot of people...but no one made it into something more than just a series of random occurrences...in the end it was a lot of fun for everyone who was there.
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I had a lot of fun in the AvA last night, first time I've ever stopped by. CAP (and many others) have been beating the drum for the AvA for so long that last night, not "feeling" LW, I decided to do something different. I had done WWI a few nights earlier, and had a blast.... but there was almost no one in there. AvA however, had a couple of dozen. Sooo....
I had flown a scenerio about a year ago that had no enemy icons, and had a blast. Last night reminded me about how big a crutch having icons are for your SA. My computer, monitor, and graphics are the pits, and no icons presents a huge challenge for me (sometimes cons only show up as a single pixel until they're almost in gun range - or I'm in range of their guns! :uhoh )......but it's still manageable, just chase the dots, right?
My only complaint it seems is what others already mentioned..... I think I made the comment last night to the effect of "sad thing is here the ganging seems to be 3X worse than in the MAs"
I'm sure it was going on on both sides, but it's kind of sad/funny to find a lone con, get him to engage, start to have a nice fight, just the 2 of ya with no other "icon-less dots" around.... then see tracers / hear pings and look back to see the silhouette of 3,4, or even 5 cons chasing you who saw your 1v1 going and decided to have a race to see which one of them could pick you first.....
I guess it's a function of which MA squad I belong to and how we normally fly very "loose" as a group, as opposed to the tactics of "some other" squads who almost never ever are found in groups of less than 5 or 6... and will never ever let a squaddy have a fight without jumping in to immediately overwhelm you with 4 or 5 to 1 odds..... I just don't get the "fun" there with that type of behavior... I'd have more fun in a 1v1 and losing than have a half dozen of my squaddies clean off all the baddies (or the lone con) before there was even much of a fight...... I guess for theose guys landing a lot of kills and getting on the AH home page is the most important thing. :rofl
Anyhow, still had fun, and glad to see that what went on last night was the exception, not the norm.... I'll be back.... maybe next time there won't be clouds of baddies circling over the allied field shooting guys before they can get much past wheels up..... :joystick:
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Which ones are that? :headscratch:
It's like the old "I've got a secret, but I'm not going to tell you". If we are going to get things out on the table and discuss it, then name those you are referring to (the ones with forked/split tongue). If not, it's better to not bring it up in the first place.
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dicho.....if you know what kind it is.....i have a couple older computers laying around......i'd be glad to ship one of those ps's to ya........
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Same here, Dicho. What size are you looking for? :aok
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If he were to send me a pm because I was stepping on my crank
You listen to Russ Martin? :D
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my answers or views of your post, jimson ( in blue test )
Agreed.
Hopefully, as people get "assimilated" into the culture, things will balance out as they learn by example.
:salute
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I was there last night too and logged around the same time as Cap. I had a lot of fun, as usual. There were some things going on that weren't so fun, but one has to adjust. I had some really great 1v2s, 3s, etc. I never really expect to survive these, but its not for lack of trying. I think that most people have a "When in Rome" mentality. The only really unfun thing I saw going on was some trash talking, and I seriously wish that would stop.
My feeling regarding "Gentalman"s Dueling Arena", is that for the most part the participants are those very people who regularly contrubute to this forum, so in most respects we all pretty much know each other and have flown with and agianst each other. When the numbers are low, you know who you will be fighting. In the MA's every one is pretty much anonamous, so tactics which might be demed "ungentlemanly"occur at a higher frequency (my oppinion only). My belief is that if a new player continues on in this arena he/she will come to appreciate the style of play that happens here, and so in time this becomes self correcting.
Just my Buck o' five
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Carver
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i gotta admit.....i had a guy in a 109, not only bnz'ing me, but he also tried making those "hi angle deflection" shots from my 12. dodged a couple times......gave up and ho'd back. i really shouldn't have done that, but it was agitating, and i kinda lost control of myself. he collided me on that last pass, but had obviously missed with his guns, as i took no damage at all.
the biggest thing that surprised me, is that the last couple times i've seen this map, it has generated constant on-going fights. i mean real fights, not a gaggle of planes hanging up in relative safety, waiting for a low con to come by. i mean engaging, and staying engaged till you kilt, or got kilt, be it at 5k alt, or 5ft alt.
TC.. i understand what you meant concerning getting things out in the open.......
i almost hate to go here again, but.......what would happen if we were to turn of score, and/or rank for a week or two? could that possibly end the "safe" fighting, and bring back the all out battles we've become accustomed to in here?
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i don't remember cap...could have sworn having the stats turned off had no effect on anything but...i don't pay enough attention to stats or name in lights to notice one way or the other...
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i don't remember cap...could have sworn having the stats turned off had no effect on anything but...i don't pay enough attention to stats or name in lights to notice one way or the other...
me either. i thought when i first started coming in here, that the scores were off.....and there were always fights. it was just a thought..........
my thoughts may not be all that good today though.....woke up in a so-so mood.....walk outside, to 4 inches of snow on my jeep....roads were friggin ice, and nothing's going right at the shop today. i keep coming up here to take breaks from the bs going on in the bays, as it helps me keep my sanity.
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sounds like how my day started... :bhead ...almost bust my behind on ice under fresh snow...car buried in snow and it was clean yesterday when i parked it...18 minute drive to work took 1hr 15min...get to work and it's a lot of little annoying b.s.
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Wasnt taking a dig at Cap Gyrene, my looking for comment was merely an indication I want to fight with them, or fly with them, I'm easy like that :D
Not sure turning off score will help, fwiw, people fly how they like, not sure any score differential will change it.
Wurzel
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Wasnt taking a dig at Cap Gyrene, my looking for comment was merely an indication I want to fight with them, or fly with them, I'm easy like that :D
oh no wurzel...i was just stating in general terms, nothing you said specifically...
:cry wish i could have made it in last night...sounds like i missed some fun...hopefully i can get in tonight though
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No worries bud, just clarifying is all (dont like confusion, i'm old and easily confused). Now, where did I put that pumpkin?
;)
Wurzel (I look forward to flying/fighting with ya too)
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oh no wurzel...i was just stating in general terms, nothing you said specifically...
:cry wish i could have made it in last night...sounds like i missed some fun...hopefully i can get in tonight though
i didn't take anything anyone said as any sort of digs...........i can say i will not be on tonight, unless my mood changes drastically.....if i log in in this mood, i'll be one of the ultra melons........and i'm not gonna do that to this arena.
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if i log in in this mood, i'll be one of the ultra melons........and i'm not gonna do that to this arena.
Aw 'cmon I always enjoy a new squeeky toy to play with. :angel:
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Aw 'cmon I always enjoy a new squeeky toy to play with. :angel:
ok....gotta admit...that made me laugh, although the soda through the nose isn't so funny....... :aok
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i didn't take anything anyone said as any sort of digs...........i can say i will not be on tonight, unless my mood changes drastically.....if i log in in this mood, i'll be one of the ultra melons........and i'm not gonna do that to this arena.
We could always go gving cap thats what I do when I need a change in pace or practice my bombing calibrations or something, just seemed to be my time of month or something last night alot going thru my mind good and bad and stress lol
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ok....gotta admit...that made me laugh, although the soda through the nose isn't so funny....... :aok
Man I really hate when that happens :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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i don't remember cap...could have sworn having the stats turned off had no effect on anything but...i don't pay enough attention to stats or name in lights to notice one way or the other...
turn off kill messages. it can be done.
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turn off kill messages. it can be done.
maybe if everyone else agrees with it, we can try it? or is that generallty a bad idea?
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Maybe a Jeep raid or fight may improve your mood. :neener: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Five danicing bananas is always better than one.
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Carver
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turn off kill messages. it can be done.
i'd agree to that...seems like an ego booster to me but...i rarely land safely on a field anyway... :D
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i'd agree to that...seems like an ego booster to me but...i rarely land safely on a field anyway... :D
i generally land in many slpooy bloody cartoon parts, shortly after the remnants of my cartoon airplane have landed somewhere
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TheBug, I can asure you that you are not one of the members of any particular squad that does such a thing
and as for Puma44's response, there is no need for me to plaster gameid's/usernames...... it is so clearly evident that all one has to do is watch how everyone plays, watch how squads act in the AvsA arena.....then watch what those squad's members type on these forums.....
hope that is clear enough for you.....
:cheers:
TC
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Same here, Dicho. What size are you looking for? :aok
don't know yet guys. I was supposed to call TD Sunday but got busy and was busy last night so we'll see. But I truly appreciate it <S>
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i generally land in many slpooy bloody cartoon parts, shortly after the remnants of my cartoon airplane have landed somewhere
SYSTEM: 1LTCAP landed in grid 10,5,1...10,5,2...10,5,3... :neener:
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:rofl
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TheBug, I can asure you that you are not one of the members of any particular squad that does such a thing
and as for Puma44's response, there is no need for me to plaster gameid's/usernames...... it is so clearly evident that all one has to do is watch how everyone plays, watch how squads act in the AvsA arena.....then watch what those squad's members type on these forums.....
hope that is clear enough for you.....
:cheers:
TC
I was just curious. I know of what you speak and have seen it in the past. But as of late I haven't seen a squad doing what you mentioned. :salute
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and as for Puma44's response, there is no need for me to plaster gameid's/usernames...... it is so clearly evident that all one has to do is watch how everyone plays, watch how squads act in the AvsA arena.....then watch what those squad's members type on these forums.....
hope that is clear enough for you.....
:cheers:
TC
.......my point exactly, TC. If you aren't going to "plaster" names, there's no positive outcome in bringing it up in the first place. Anyone who spends time in the AvA is well aware of the bad actors. :aok
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Puma44, as of 3:04 PM this afternoon, I no longer see your posts for the simple reason I do not like the antagonistic replys you give when you quote me . I would rather read good posts by others, and let you go on pushing your thoughts on others about how they should post and what they should say and not say....... heck maybe one day you'll get so good at it they make you a BBS mod :aok
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
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have fun in the AvsA everyone
:cheers:
TC
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TC, it was not my intention to be antagonistic. Just trying to make a point. Sorry if you received it as such....... :salute
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Sheesh....
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SYSTEM: 1LTCAP landed in grid 10,5,1...10,5,2...10,5,3... :neener:
that's about how it feels sometimes....it all depends on how fast i'm goin when they shoot at me.
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AvA dudes <S>
I was in there for about an hour last night and had an absolute blast. I had some fantastic battles, died a lot and killed a few - I had more fun that I've had in a long time! I even tried to kill the bozo that was sitting at the GV spawn point - he killed me about 10 times and was gloating about it...I told him what an outstanding person he was! LOL
But actually, I would suggest that we all be very very careful in telling others how we think they should play in the AvA room. If we are not careful, we will get the old days back, with 0 people flying except 5 or 6 regulars.
I experienced HO'ng, but I fully expect it - I wish everyone else would too and get on with their lives. I also saw ganging, but most times, there were several enemy cons below NOE, and what looked like a gang was actually a 3v5 or 5v8 or who knows! So how can you be sure it WAS ganging?
Let's just have fun and welcome players to the AvA no matter how THEY want to play the game...just saying. With more numbers that opens up more options for setups in my book. Shoot - we WANT people from the MA to come to AvA. Let's encourage them to do so - not by telling them how they should fly, but by how cool the setups are, no icons, immersion, etc.
I know we do all that too, I'm just puttin' in my $0.02
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Cheese
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I experienced HO'ng, but I fully expect it - I wish everyone else would too and get on with their lives. I also saw ganging, but most times, there were several enemy cons below NOE, and what looked like a gang was actually a 3v5 or 5v8 or who knows! So how can you be sure it WAS ganging?
Let's just have fun and welcome players to the AvA no matter how THEY want to play the game...just saying. With more numbers that opens up more options for setups in my book. Shoot - we WANT people from the MA to come to AvA. Let's encourage them to do so - not by telling them how they should fly, but by how cool the setups are, no icons, immersion, etc.
I know we do all that too, I'm just puttin' in my $0.02
:salute
Cheese
i like cheese ... :D
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AvA dudes <S>
I was in there for about an hour last night and had an absolute blast. I had some fantastic battles, died a lot and killed a few - I had more fun that I've had in a long time! I even tried to kill the bozo that was sitting at the GV spawn point - he killed me about 10 times and was gloating about it...I told him what an outstanding person he was! LOL
But actually, I would suggest that we all be very very careful in telling others how we think they should play in the AvA room. If we are not careful, we will get the old days back, with 0 people flying except 5 or 6 regulars.
I experienced HO'ng, but I fully expect it - I wish everyone else would too and get on with their lives. I also saw ganging, but most times, there were several enemy cons below NOE, and what looked like a gang was actually a 3v5 or 5v8 or who knows! So how can you be sure it WAS ganging?
Let's just have fun and welcome players to the AvA no matter how THEY want to play the game...just saying. With more numbers that opens up more options for setups in my book. Shoot - we WANT people from the MA to come to AvA. Let's encourage them to do so - not by telling them how they should fly, but by how cool the setups are, no icons, immersion, etc.
I know we do all that too, I'm just puttin' in my $0.02
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Cheese
ya know? years ago, your .02 would've been worth .05. :noid
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i agree with CAPs original post on the amount of partying in AvA yesterday. i myself had to switch sides several times to avoid being part of the hord. very rare to find fights so even and consistent with people who arent interested in those dam bases all the time.
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Growing pains . :D
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WOOOAHHHHH!!!! What's that over there?
:furious just a shiny piece off of Caps plane. I thought someone had lost a beer :mad:
edit... keep in mind you guys are flying I'm posting from a laptop. Count the blessings, smell the roses, all of that happy horse stuff :angel:
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WOOOAHHHHH!!!! What's that over there?
:furious just a shiny piece off of Caps plane. I thought someone had lost a beer :mad:
edit... keep in mind you guys are flying I'm posting from a laptop. Count the blessings, smell the roses, all of that happy horse stuff :angel:
if it's shiny, it can't be from my plane...i fly only camo'd rides..........i needs all the help i can get to keep you guys from seeing me/
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I dunno... it looks suspiciously like a blender part
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hey just go shoot one or 2 of these down and ya will all feel better I know I did :lol :lol :lol :lol
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cya all thursday night
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crazy8s
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flew a ta-152 at 30k for hour and a half in tt...not one single b-29 in sight... :cry
fun again tonight in the ava fellas...short night for me but fun as usual
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edit... keep in mind you guys are flying I'm posting from a laptop. Count the blessings, smell the roses, all of that happy horse stuff :angel:
don't forget, if TD is not able to help you with a PSU, I have an extra one you can have for nothing, if it meets your systems requirements... it is a modular type also and has both PCI-E 6 pin & PCI-E 8 pin connectors, along with SATA, molex, 24 pin mb main connector, 4 pin 12v for MB ( does not have an 8 pin 12V connector )
shoot me a pm with your specs, and I'll get it out and check the wattage and rail voltage on it...
TC