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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Ddriag on November 18, 2000, 08:48:00 AM: Why is it that some people dont like HO encounters. Some people seem to get upset if they are HO'd and I'm wondering why. It dose'nt bother me if I'm engaged in this way, I try and nose down to make it more difficult and if I don't die I try and kill the bandit. I'm not suggesting anything here, I just wondered what the issue is.

It always gets me though,in the half second after an encounter you think to yourself "phew, he missed!" then the FE registers the hits and yer wings fall off.
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: NHFoxtro on November 18, 2000, 08:54:00 AM: I'll attack you any way I can. It doesn't matter to me. I can always get another plane!! hehehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: TheWobble on November 18, 2000, 09:08:00 AM: I hate it when some one calls ya a "head on dweeb" if your in a loaded p47 and there is a spit commin at ya what the hell else are ya gonna do?

And for all you jerks that whine when someone HO's you remember, It takes 2 to HO so if you have a prob with it you turn or something dont just fly straight at someone and then whine when a HO happens.
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Replicant on November 18, 2000, 09:13:00 AM: Hey Ddriag, you just live up the road from me! I'm trying to keep track of all the locals and perhaps we can organise a big meet up (piss up) sometime! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: funked on November 18, 2000, 09:42:00 AM: I think people don't like HO attacks because they maximize three of the most unrealistic features of AH:

Net Lag
No Fear of Death
Range Icons

So a master of the HO attack is someone who is a master of exploiting the most unrealistic parts of the sim.

Certainly there can't be much of a historical argument against HO attacks. I've read a lot of pilot accounts of dogfights and many pilots report making HO attacks. They seem especially prevalent among pilots facing an enemy with inferior armor or firepower, e.g. Thunderbolt pilots or almost any pilot facing a Japanese fighter.

Personally, I avoid them because if the other guy has any ability, they are a 50-50 proposition. I will only take such a shot out of neccesity, e.g. if I am vastly outnumbered, if the other guy has vastly better E, if the other guy has vastly better airplane, or if I have to take the shot to save a friendly unit I am escorting.

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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Westy on November 18, 2000, 09:49:00 AM: HO shots are the equivalent of "cow tipping" in that it takes next to no skill to do.

Course, if I find myself outnumbered by cows in a fight I go berserk and I'll fight any old way I can to even the numebers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) So I've been known to "tip" a cow or two in a furball. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

And then again, if I'm in a P-47 or P-38 and some fool in a plane is coming right for me and it's obvious they are going to do "you know what" well, unless it's an F4U-1C, I'll oblige them with a dose of it first. And I usually win now. I often even say to them on channel one "don't come at me HO Spit/Niki/Yak/whatever cause you'll be going down!" but they usually don't listen. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

-Westy

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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Hangtime on November 18, 2000, 10:11:00 AM: LOL.. THIS subject.. AGAIN??

*yawn*
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: mora on November 18, 2000, 10:59:00 AM: I dont like HO's because of lag both usually get killed.
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: easymo on November 18, 2000, 12:44:00 PM: My only objection to HO,s is the spit v. They are modeled to turn to fast for the net. When it is not where it appears to be. It is hard to avoid the HO. This is increased by the weaker servers in H2H.

So, you can always tell the weak pilots in H2H. They host and fly this "gamer" to HO anything in sight.
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Rickenbacker on November 18, 2000, 12:47:00 PM: Mora, that's why i dont' take HO's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). If I have to I'll squeeze a shot off, but generally I'll just avoid it and lead turn, setting me up to kill the other guy much easier, since he tried to aim at me when he should have been turning.

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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Ddriag on November 18, 2000, 03:44:00 PM: Right!
I've canvassed your opinions on HO-ing. Apart from boring Hangtime I found out more about a game I'm new at so thanks all. The idea that launching into an early turn might make more sense is one I'm going to explore. It's got the right balance between aggression and suicide for me!

Replicant, whats your handle in the Game?
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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: SKurj on November 18, 2000, 04:27:00 PM: I could be wrong, but I think the HO is way more effective in AH than in RL. The small aspect of the target, plus the chance of glancing shots (ammo just deflecting off the surface with out detonation(cannon) doing very little damage).

A reduction of the effectiveness of the HO would be a good thing.

SKurj
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: jcy19 on November 18, 2000, 06:42:00 PM: LOL westy

cow tipping aint that easy

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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: jcy19 on November 18, 2000, 06:43:00 PM: LOL westy

cow tipping aint that easy

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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Replicant on November 18, 2000, 08:29:00 PM: Ddriag

My game handle is 'Nexx'.

Cya about soon!

Cheers

Nexx
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: washout on November 19, 2000, 07:31:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ddriag:
Right!
I've canvassed your opinions on HO-ing. Apart from boring Hangtime I found out more about a game I'm new at so thanks all. The idea that launching into an early turn might make more sense is one I'm going to explore. It's got the right balance between aggression and suicide for me!

Ddriag,

If you have enough E try an early turn into the vertical. Bad guy tries to track you up, runs out of E pulling too hard, you reverse above him and blow him away. Never fails...
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: senna on November 20, 2000, 01:42:00 AM: But it's so easy to avoid a HO shot if you dont want to shoot. There are a few situations where a avoiding a close pass isnt possible but for the most part it sure is. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

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Originally posted by funked:
I think people don't like HO attacks because they maximize three of the most unrealistic features of AH:

Net Lag
No Fear of Death
Range Icons

So a master of the HO attack is someone who is a master of exploiting the most unrealistic parts of the sim.

Certainly there can't be much of a historical argument against HO attacks. I've read a lot of pilot accounts of dogfights and many pilots report making HO attacks. They seem especially prevalent among pilots facing an enemy with inferior armor or firepower, e.g. Thunderbolt pilots or almost any pilot facing a Japanese fighter.

Personally, I avoid them because if the other guy has any ability, they are a 50-50 proposition. I will only take such a shot out of neccesity, e.g. if I am vastly outnumbered, if the other guy has vastly better E, if the other guy has vastly better airplane, or if I have to take the shot to save a friendly unit I am escorting.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 11-18-2000).]
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: GRUNHERZ on November 20, 2000, 03:15:00 AM: Hi

There is nothing really wrong with HO in in a general sense, the problem is there are folks in here who do nothing else than HO, run away and reverse, HO run away and reverse, HO run away and revrse, then get killed by a real pilot. Repeat this over and over and you see the problem with HO in AH. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

thanks GRUNHERZ
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Saintaw on November 20, 2000, 08:09:00 AM: Aw, C'mon guys, I was hoping that in 3 months, you'd get mor Immaginative than THIS !!!

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Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Westy on November 20, 2000, 08:11:00 AM: (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) JCY19, I imagine you are right. Tipping a cow would take more skill than doing a HO.

-Westy
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Ripsnort on November 20, 2000, 08:18:00 AM: Why most people hate it is because the way AH is set up, it encourages HO's.

In WB's, if both participants had their wings shredded in a HO, or, basically both hit the ground real hard after encounter, both pilots would receive the kill award from each other.

In AH, only one does, so, it makes it worth the risk.

IMO, if the WB's method of dying was implemented, then you'd see less HO's and more ACM.
Title: Head On Shots!
Post by: Shamus on November 20, 2000, 09:27:00 AM: Even better would be if neither pilot received a kill, that would really reduce HO's

Shamus