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Title: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 12, 2008, 10:10:22 PM
I've begun work on making some custom maps specifically for the mission making community to use.  No reason to be using generic MA maps with 100 fields your not gonna use, when you can have fully custom maps(terrains, objects, skins) made just for your mission.  I'm working on three right now (a woodland, desert & winter) with various targets & such that people can use to base their missions on (bombing/intercepting over custom cities comes to mind).  I'll post em & host em as they come out w/ screenies for anyone who wants to use them.  I'm trying to get others in the map making community to do the same.  I think it would be a neat joint venture and we can get the most realism out of the missions.  Here's the link to where I posted a few terrain screenies to give an idea:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,233148.0.html

<S> and I look forward to working with some of you.


EDIT: This is one of my skins on the Japan map, showing the type of missions we can have instead of just having all default toys.

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7449/uixn5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Strip on April 13, 2008, 12:29:58 AM
You have any thing that would mimic a large German city similar to Toyko?

Strip
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Baumer on April 13, 2008, 12:32:18 AM
USRanger,
That's a great idea! I'm going to check out what you've posted and I'll be looking for your maps to use in the future.

<S> Baumer

Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Yossarian on April 13, 2008, 08:57:44 AM
Here's a rather complicated idea I've had in mind for a while:

A realistic Battle of Britain offline mission, with LOTS of planes, and perhaps specifically focussing on a dogfight above London.  For this, it would be nice to have a few landmarks, such as Big Ben, St Paul's Cathedral etc.  I have a picture in a history  book of fighter plane contrails high above St Paul's Cathedral during the Battle of Britain, and that's where I got the idea from.

Of course, this could then be applied to any scenario involving specific cities/locations/landmarks etc.

<S>

Yossarian
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: mensa180 on April 13, 2008, 09:10:38 AM
Here's a rather complicated idea I've had in mind for a while:

A realistic Battle of Britain offline mission, with LOTS of planes, and perhaps specifically focussing on a dogfight above London.  For this, it would be nice to have a few landmarks, such as Big Ben, St Paul's Cathedral etc.  I have a picture in a history  book of fighter plane contrails high above St Paul's Cathedral during the Battle of Britain, and that's where I got the idea from.

Of course, this could then be applied to any scenario involving specific cities/locations/landmarks etc.

<S>

Yossarian

Would it be possible to use a simple 3D program such as SketchUp for the buildings and then export them in a format that is usable in the game?
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 13, 2008, 01:55:36 PM
They would have to be converted to .ac3d format. to import into the game.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: MWL on April 14, 2008, 03:56:55 PM
Greetings,

  Pardon my ignorance, will Milkshape work to make the objects?  If so, what skinner program do y'all use?

Regards,
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 14, 2008, 05:29:54 PM
Never heard of Milkshape.  Like I said above, it MUST be able to convert to .ac3d format.  If you don't have one that will, and are familiar with modeling software, try Blender.  It's free and exports into .ac3d.  Do a search in the Terrain Editor Forum for it.  You'll find the Download link, tutorials and various scripts to make the conversion easier.

As for skinning, any graphics editing program (Photoshop, PhotoSuite, Gimp<-free, etc.) all work.

Side note:  Last night I worked on some custom airfields.  I'll post pics after throwing them into a working             map(hopefully tonight).  Let me bust out a few for general mission making, then I'll try to take some requests.  Just please remember, map making is a tedious and time consuming thing.  They take more than a couple days, especially the custom ones.  I should have the first one out this week, if my kids allow it :rolleyes:

 :salute
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Solar10 on April 14, 2008, 06:39:23 PM
You have any thing that would mimic a large German city similar to Toyko?

Strip

 :O
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 14, 2008, 07:15:11 PM
Would it be possible to use a simple 3D program such as SketchUp for the buildings and then export them in a format that is usable in the game?
Sketchup is very difficult and time consuming. If possible, try something much easier  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 14, 2008, 10:06:36 PM
Sneak peak at a custom airfield on a new mission map:

(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4301/fld1qf6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4978/fld2ho2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9246/fld3hm6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Might make for a nice bombing target too! :aok
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Allen Rune on April 15, 2008, 12:10:10 AM
Sneak peak at a custom airfield on a new mission map:

(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4301/fld1qf6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4978/fld2ho2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9246/fld3hm6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Might make for a nice bombing target too! :aok

 :O :O :O

WOW, the president's personal airfield.

Anyone up for some assasination attempts? :D
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Spikes on April 16, 2008, 12:24:43 PM
Sneak peak at a custom airfield on a new mission map:

(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4301/fld1qf6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4978/fld2ho2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9246/fld3hm6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Might make for a nice bombing target too! :aok

Pretty freakin sweet Ranger! You should add ack guns all the way to and down the runway...about 6 feet apart :)
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Yossarian on April 16, 2008, 12:43:47 PM
Nice work!!!

Not sure how realistic those are, but they look great!

Sketchup is very difficult and time consuming. If possible, try something much easier  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I've found SketchUp to be extremely easy to use.  However, the only other one I've used was some Design Tech thing at school which was extremely temperamental.  Here's the best comparison I can think of: in an older version of PowerPoint (maybe changed in newer ones), if you made a box out of four lines, you couldn't fill it in with colour: to do so, you had to use the rectangle tool.  The other 3D programme(s) I've used are like the previous example.  SketchUp would allow you to do this - it just seems very flexible.

<S>

Yossarian
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: mensa180 on April 16, 2008, 12:46:43 PM
SketchUp is great, and amazingly simple.  I was thinking of using it to model some realistic buildings from that era and see if anyone would be interested in using them.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Xjazz on April 16, 2008, 03:00:26 PM
Hi USRanger,

Very nice looking scenes. WTG

On first picture. Do you use a OE exported objects with new textures?
I'm asking this, because OE exported objects very often has a double vertices.

Mensa180 and Yossarian,
If I remember right the Google SketshUp don't support the AC3D (.ac) format export.

Also I not sure if SketshUp can handle the needed groups, LODs and properties.

Below is the official windmill object hierarchy tree and properties:
world,
   model, MaxDist=20178
      objects, MaxDist=20178
         l4, MinDist=1500 MaxDist=10150
            d1_2, MaxDist=20178
               o12_2, MaxDist=20178
            o29, MaxDist=20178
         med, MinDist=600 MaxDist=1650
            d1_1, MaxDist=20178
               o12_1, MaxDist=20178
            oo28, MaxDist=20178
         hi, MaxDist=750
            5000, MaxDist=20178
               o12, MaxDist=20178
            o1, MaxDist=20178
               otex0, MaxDist=20178
               otex1, MaxDist=20178 StencilAlpha=1 NoCollide=1

Based to my limited 3D experiences;  only the AC3D (out from the box) and the Blender (with AH specific export script) can do a AH-OE compatible  .ac objects.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 16, 2008, 04:25:32 PM
Correct Jazz.  They are just re-textured exported OE objects.  All work was done in OE & TE.  I do see a few things I want to change, like the runway texture.  At the time of the pics, I was using it just to see how it looked in-game.  Not really what I wanted, so I'll try some more.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 16, 2008, 04:58:47 PM
City I'm working on for buff missions or backdrop for low-alt fights:

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2980/city1nb5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7226/city2xg6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/147/city3tw3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: crazierthanu on April 18, 2008, 03:04:12 PM
Cool bombing target too.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Yossarian on April 19, 2008, 08:48:39 AM
Sweet!!  :aok :aok

WTG USRanger

<S>

Yossarian
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Spikes on April 19, 2008, 12:21:05 PM
I want to make a Bomb Zone out of that town! :D
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 19, 2008, 01:13:15 PM
...soon...
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Spikes on April 19, 2008, 01:47:08 PM
...soon...
:noid
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: BOOT on April 19, 2008, 07:09:24 PM
...soon...


Absolutely amazing graphics.  I have been away from the game for a couple of years and just came back.  I can't believe what you guys are doing with the Offline Missions and terrains.  All I can say is WOW!
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: mensa180 on April 20, 2008, 11:08:58 AM
Nice!   If my beloved simple sketchup cannot work for this, then it looks like I'm learning blender :).
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 20, 2008, 02:47:41 PM
If you want to make truly custom objects, Blender is probably the way to go.  I'd suggest learning the Terrain Editor & Object Editor first though, or your custom object won't do you any good.  The pics I've posted in this thread were all done in the OE & TE.  In other words, things like these can be created with the software AH supplies.  Any route you go, I wish ya luck & have fun with it.  I'm gonna dive into Blender soon myself to make some custom buildings first, then who knows.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Yossarian on April 20, 2008, 03:12:20 PM
I may try making a Big Ben.... no guarantees though
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 23, 2008, 03:25:23 PM
I should hopefully have the first mission map out this week.  Here's a few shots.  Half the ground textures courtesy of Croduh.

(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1941/61564974re1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9953/95473056tg7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3910/55887775xs8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Baumer on April 23, 2008, 03:59:26 PM
Looks Great! Can't wait to get my grubby little hands on it!

 :salute

Baumer
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 26, 2008, 06:44:52 PM
Decided to go with a dual terrain map so more different missions can be ran off the same map.  The entire north of the map is now for winter ops.  Thx again to croduh for donating the textures.  All I have left is to lay down the airfields.  Should be done very soon.

(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8987/mapan1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3643/ttatg0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Spikes on April 26, 2008, 09:01:59 PM
Nice job Ranger! Can't wait!
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Yossarian on April 27, 2008, 09:55:46 AM
Looks fantastic!!!

Can't wait till you're done.  What sort of topography is in the map?

<S>

Yossarian
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: rogerdee on April 27, 2008, 04:32:20 PM
map looks great both you and croduh do some good work.

It would be nice to get a map like that in the main arena one part winter/spring effect and one part summer,with another part desert.

Oh if onlt AH would accept custom maps like that if they didnt hurt the frame rate much.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 27, 2008, 04:53:26 PM
After this one is done I'm going to bust out a desert one.  This map is 256x256 because I wanted to try out Machnix's Tilesetter program.  Future maps will be 128x128 mi. square.  Yoss, the topography of this one is mainly rolling hills with some small, map maker friendly mountain ranges.  Here's a random pic:

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7862/22vp8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I may leave out the custom airfield til next map, because the file size for this one is keeps growing.  It's at 22 megs as of now, with only a few fields laid.  I'm leaving the city in.  I'm also debating a harbor w/ 30+ ships just begging to be sunk(sank?).  Maybe that would be best for a map all its own.  I'm just trying to make some maps where a variety of mission types can be flown.  We'll see how this first one goes then go from there.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Spikes on April 27, 2008, 05:26:09 PM
After this one is done I'm going to bust out a desert one.  This map is 256x256 because I wanted to try out Machnix's Tilesetter program.  Future maps will be 128x128 mi. square.  Yoss, the topography of this one is mainly rolling hills with some small, map maker friendly mountain ranges.  Here's a random pic:

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7862/22vp8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I may leave out the custom airfield til next map, because the file size for this one is keeps growing.  It's at 22 megs as of now, with only a few fields laid.  I'm leaving the city in.  I'm also debating a harbor w/ 30+ ships just begging to be sunk(sank?).  Maybe that would be best for a map all its own.  I'm just trying to make some maps where a variety of mission types can be flown.  We'll see how this first one goes then go from there.
Maybe the harbor to look like pearl? :O
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Yossarian on April 27, 2008, 06:17:22 PM
I know it must be a huge amount of work, but those ports and airfields would be sooo cool!!

That terrain looks brilliant btw!!  Also, what plane is that?

<S>

Yossarian
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: bobtom on April 27, 2008, 06:18:36 PM
 
Maybe the harbor to look like pearl? :O
That would be nice. We could make a pearl harbor mission.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Spikes on April 27, 2008, 06:34:56 PM
That would be nice. We could make a pearl harbor mission.
As stated though, you would need to have a stationary CV with wind set...
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: bobtom on April 27, 2008, 07:19:03 PM
As stated though, you would need to have a stationary CV with wind set...
We can get baumer to do it.  :)
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Spikes on April 27, 2008, 07:48:01 PM
We can get baumer to do it.  :)
LOL...the typical response! When in doubt...ask Baumer!
:D
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 27, 2008, 08:14:59 PM
Originally posted by myself:
Quote
Yoss, the topography of this one is mainly rolling hills with some small, map maker friendly mountain ranges.

I meant mission maker friendly. ;)


I've decided to put a decently sized mountain range between the two terrain schemes so that they won't be visible to each other (unless your way up there), giving us basically two maps in one to play with.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: bobtom on April 27, 2008, 08:55:18 PM
Nice!


I cant wait till 2 weeks from now when you finish it.   :D :D :noid :rock
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 27, 2008, 09:50:18 PM
Naa, won't be that long.  Already got that mountain range done.

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8189/yyrg8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: bobtom on April 27, 2008, 10:26:18 PM
wtg!

i was just kidding.....but i had to put the 2 weeks in...i couldnt resist. :D
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: thedudee95 on April 27, 2008, 10:36:58 PM
WOw looks aaaaaaaawesome. wtg! :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: croduh on April 28, 2008, 04:04:30 AM
Awesome looking terrains Ranger!Glad you put up a nice map using textures ;)

If anyone is interested in making a 1969 Soccer war (100 hour war) mission i might upload one of my newest maps, which is also submitted to htc.

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5931/jctity2yg8.jpg)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z144/croduh/soccer5.jpg)

(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5931/jctity2yg8.jpg)

f4u-1d,f4u4 skins courtesy of greebo, p51 skin courtesy of rogerdee.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 28, 2008, 05:29:14 AM
The more the better bro. :aok
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: bobtom on April 28, 2008, 07:17:26 AM
My bad..didnt try to post this. Move along.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Yossarian on April 28, 2008, 12:08:22 PM
croduh, if I can find the time, I'm certainly up for doing something like that.

Looks superb (as usual) :aok :aok :aok

<S>

Yossarian
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: crazierthanu on April 28, 2008, 03:07:36 PM
There already is a pearl map. It got downlaoded from when 8 player was still around.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: bobtom on April 28, 2008, 03:27:07 PM
There already is a pearl map. It got downlaoded from when 8 player was still around.

Oh, ok when H2H was out i almost never played it. I stayed in the MA.


bobtom
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Xjazz on April 28, 2008, 03:59:49 PM
Great job Croduh  :aok
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: Spikes on April 28, 2008, 04:19:09 PM
There already is a pearl map. It got downlaoded from when 8 player was still around.
Yes, there is one...Yoshimbo and I made it...but it's buggy as heck.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 28, 2008, 10:27:51 PM
Ok, all strat is laid, just gotta put fields in, prob. tomorrow.  I wanna get it done asap(but correct) because I've had a mission I've been dying to make on this map.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: bobtom on April 28, 2008, 11:03:07 PM
Are you going to lay the custom or the default (MA) fields?
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on April 29, 2008, 10:42:20 PM
Default fields for now.  I'm having an issue with custom fields not having a briefing room for missions.  You sit in the tower during the briefing time, then go out to your plane.  As people get more experience building missions, the briefing will start having a more important role.  I don't want to take that away from people just to have custom fields you're only at for a minute anyway.

Instead I'll throw in this:

Ack bases placed at strategic places to throw up flak for immersion purposes.  I'll mark on the clipboard map where the flak fields are, so you can plan your missions through them or around them(sissies).

Has a radar control station surrounded by a ring of 88mm tater lobbers:
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7890/ackfld1uq7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2262/ackfld2fz8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I won't overdo it, but I feel it was needed for immersion purposes. :aok
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on May 23, 2008, 06:44:28 PM
I read you had to bump missing threads via your profile to get them to re-show on the bbs.

*bump*



Edit: Just noticed a whole lot of posts are missing, along with the current host link.  Will fix it after the kiddies go to sleep.
Title: Re: Custom maps for missions offer
Post by: USRanger on May 24, 2008, 05:30:42 PM
Current host link:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/12/1908773/missn2.zip