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Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: BigMax on November 09, 2004, 02:59:40 PM: Here's the forum to voice your opinion....

I was approached by one of the players with the proposal to allow the use of any planes listed as attack planes... We currently only allow planes listed as fighters, but E/KoTH is an event hosted for the players' enjoyment. That being said, I'd like you all to put in a vote (For/Against), and a brief reason for your vote.

We'll do whatever the populace dictates... It's YOUR event! :aok
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: TequilaChaser on November 09, 2004, 04:39:00 PM: I am for it, if there is a rule to where you are not allowed to use any gunner slots, only the Pilot / cockpit guns available
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: Flyboy on November 10, 2004, 08:18:15 AM: Aye!

what TC said
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: WMLute on November 10, 2004, 10:18:34 AM: I'm all for it.
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: Lord RedHwk on November 10, 2004, 07:15:07 PM: Im in. Give him his Val ;) I agree with the "cockpit guns only" scenario. Last thing I need is to saddle on someone and see tracers from front...lol

RedHwk
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: BigMax on November 10, 2004, 07:22:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
I am for it, if there is a rule to where you are not allowed to use any gunner slots, only the Pilot / cockpit guns available

There is currently no way for a CM to restrict available position in any Air Frame...

I'll reserve my personal opinion until there is more discussion...
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: Jish102 on November 11, 2004, 01:56:16 PM: I'm in.:)
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: Flyboy on November 12, 2004, 10:41:14 AM: bigmax, i think pilots flying the KOTH are mature enough to control themself not to man gunner positions.

besides its pertty ez to tell if you are being shot at from a gunner position, especialy rom planes like the A20 Val or Stuka :)
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: MRPLUTO on November 15, 2004, 10:52:21 PM: I remember a KOTH a long time ago when we flew Bf-110's. The CM had everybody shoot off all their rear ammo, though how he could be sure it was all gone, save for joining as a gunner, I don't know.

Anyway, I'm for it, mostly. Planes like D3A Vals and SBD's were used as fighters sometimes, and I've even read of Stukas getting into dogfights/vulches with their forward guns. On the other hand, having TBM's or Boston III's fight each other seems silly.

MRPLUTO
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: GreenCloud on November 19, 2004, 03:25:52 PM: i think any plane is fine for koth..(excpet 262's)..heheh i hate chasing

infact..who cares..let them man the guns..this means they cannot do evasives whiel firing...sounds like a fair balance to me..

fun as hell too
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: BigMax on November 20, 2004, 12:03:19 PM: Seems that there is no real opposition...

My only concern is this, from a CM's perspective:
I have no way to determine "IF" someone was their different gun positions. Therefore, I think it would be best if we didn't put any stipulations against being able to use them. Also, it would head off any people claiming a win was illegal.

My thought is to keep the rules as simple as possible. If we allow the plane type, then you should be able to utilize every feature of the plane.

Is that agreeable to all? & I haven't been able to discuss it with Gremlin yet, so I do want to get his thoughts before we make a policy shift. :aok
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: Stang on November 20, 2004, 12:32:36 PM: I think sitting in a gunner position and sniping at people totally defeats the purpose of KOTH. I'd like to see attack planes available, but there's no way you should be able to use the gunner positions.
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: GreenCloud on November 20, 2004, 01:49:03 PM: stang..but if someone jumps to there guns..there plane stops making evasives....well rudder turns only..seems like a fair trade..

I mean..what plane do you feel comfortable enuff to battle in the rear guns?..Hell they are all pea shooters..

I would rather have a guy jump to his rear guns them make evasives...Easy pickens: )
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: Wadke on November 20, 2004, 11:12:04 PM: Bigmax...we did this before back when i used to play.
Just have everyone merely jump into their secondary guns and shoot them untily they are dry. Doesn't take long on most planes and many people will dump them. Should 1 not. He/she should be booted or fight restarted.
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: BigMax on November 24, 2004, 12:54:40 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wadke
Just have everyone merely jump into their secondary guns and shoot them untily they are dry. Doesn't take long on most planes and many people will dump them. Should 1 not. He/she should be booted or fight restarted.

All are good points/ideas... But all of them rely are completely unenforcable and something I, as CM, can't check easily, and enforcement of any possible enfraction becomes one player's word against the other's.

As your host, a broken rule MUST be obvious to everyone watching or it makes for many disgruntled players, and people would leave KoTH... I have to do everything possible to make sure that doesn't happen...

I tend to agree that I'd prefer that guns not be manned, but it opens a HUGE can-o-worms from a CMing perspective. Hosts must be able to make an "objective" decision vice a subjective one.

As a consession, perhaps we mandate that ALL players turn tracers "ON" for that round so that everyone can see "IF" other gun positions are used? That would probably work.

Thoughts?
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: TequilaChaser on November 24, 2004, 08:14:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by BigMax

Thoughts?

your call Big Chief!
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: fuzeman on November 30, 2004, 04:51:57 PM: No comment from the peanut gallery.
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: BigMax on December 01, 2004, 04:41:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by BigMax
As a consession, perhaps we mandate that ALL players turn tracers "ON" for that round so that everyone can see "IF" other gun positions are used?

Anyone have "heart burn" with trying it like this?
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: Flyboy on December 03, 2004, 08:02:34 AM: i fly without tracers. if i turn them on my gunnery sufers.

i cant think of a reason a player would jump to the gun position, they are all 0.3 or so, and the plane will fly straight.

beside i think a player can recognise if its geting shot by a gunner, even without tracers
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: MRPLUTO on December 03, 2004, 06:24:12 PM: I'd prefer to fight without tracers, too.

BigMax, if you feel it would be hard to enforce the "fire-off-all-your-rear-ammo" rule, then I say just allow pilots to use their rear guns. After all, in these planes they are pretty much pea-shooters.

MRPLUTO
Title: Attack planes, Do we allow them?
Post by: BigMax on December 03, 2004, 09:04:08 PM: We'll discuss the particulars tomorrow at KoTH... IF someone calls and ATTACK plane that has multiple gun positions...

CYas 2morro :aok