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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on May 25, 2005, 11:40:14 AM
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Thought this might be an appropriate time to start a debriefing on the first-ever run of a fightertown setup.
My impression: Where were all the people who said they'd be interested in this? I saw some of them at the beginning of last week, for one, possibly two nights. Since then, on my watch, it's been mostly the CT regulars. And not even all of them, because those who opposed fightertown often boycotted it.
So color me disappointed. I wonder if some of our MA friends who thought this would be a good idea could suggest why it didn't work out?
- oldman
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Please forgive the rambling nature of this post, I had alot of thoughts to cram in and its busy today at work, no time to really sort them out. I hope its readable and understandable.
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I think it was successful enough for what it was. A chance to furball, free of other obligations. The problem is, thats not what we pay 15 bucks a month for. Or at least I dont.
I want some hint of realism in my gameplay. Or I should say, AT LEAST a hint of it. Its nice to fuball mindlessly sometimes, to break stress or monotony, or just for the pure fun of pushing your luck. And for that, I think a small Furball Arena or Fightertown, would be an excellent addition to the HTC lineup. I mean, they had room for a second MA, why not use it as such if they dont need it all the time? With a dedicated map designed for such things, we would have it all. A "training" arena, for new guys to go learn to fly, learn ACM, and practice what they learn anytime without the stress of scores or squads, or strat targets, or being shot down; a "dueling" arena, for setup fights between small numbers of people at a time, for specific purpose; a "furball" arena, for mindless ACM fun anytime, where guys can go to test their SA and gunnery skills in a free-for-all atmosphere; a "historical" arena, for more realistic, "historic" matchups (what I see as free form scenarios); a "special events" arena for scenarios; and a big Main Arena where we can wage war back and forth in any plane we want, and experience the entire spectrum of fighting and land grabbing at its best.
I think the Rangoon map has its limitations as a Fightertown map, and people moved on. It was a novelty, and at first people were willing to overlook the shortcomings of the terrain to play with the new idea. A painting is a painting, a picture is a picture. But you put either one in the proper frame, and it becomes more attractive. You frame something right, you can call almost anything art and sell it as such. What I'm saying is, presentation is everything. How it looks, how it hangs, and how it's advertised will turn a paint-by-numbers sheet into valuable art.
Alot of people put down the BBS as a means of advertising. I admit its not the only tool. But it IS effective. When people are discussing an issue on the boards, interest is piqued in the game setting as well. People test and try and poke and prod if they think it will give them something to use in a post later on or tomorrow on the BBS. Face it, we all like being part of something bigger. Its human nature. Which is why the MA gets most of the numbers. If you want to draw MA customers, you have to provide them with the feeling they are PART of something. Thats partially why our CT numbers keep dropping, is because MA folks get the feeling the CT is a private club and they have a visitor's pass. We have our own forum on the BBS. We have our own "stars", whether they are famous or infamous. And with the fading of the CT squads, we have fading of the CT numbers. There is NEVER going to be more than a visitor mentality from regular MA folks in the CT. What we need is not to draw more MA folks who occasionally fly the CT, but to recruit our own crowd who flys mostly in the CT and maybe sometimes in the MA. For that, we need maps gentlemen, and we need squads. Pure and simple. Instead of vilifying and breaking up the JG54, we should be using them as a model (minus the grouchiness lol) to build more squads. They fly together. They watch each other's backs. They prevent the stuff we gripe at them for doing from happening to their members. Thats not bad, thats what a squad does! We need something that captures the imagination and lets people feel they are part of something again. We had it in AH1, we can have it again. But running Ackinawa and BoB over and over again isnt going to get it, nor is treating every new guy that comes in for a flight like he's unwanted. He's not.
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I was there for the 1st 3 days. Had a real fun time too. After that, the player count when I logged on was exactly 0. My flying time is 2000-2400 EST.
I'll put in my 2 cents as to why it failed.
1. No one knew: On the 1st night I spent about 90 minutes in there then went into the MA to fly with my squad. None of them knew about the setup. Many of them do not frequent these boards. What this tells me is that without some kind of notification as to what was going on folks just were not aware of it.
2. The general lack of interest in the CT. Thats another subject that has been beaten to death here, but it is a part of the problem.
3. A combination of 1 & 2. There is a general lack of knowledge regarding the other arenas. I have run in to many Noobs who didn't even know what the TA is all about.
Bottom line IMO is that the MA is where the action is. It's all about numbers. the TA and the DA have their purpose but you will never see 200 players in them for obvious reasons. Players log on and see that the MA has 427 players, the CT had 12, where do you suppose the average player is going to go? The SEA works because it's a planned, scheduled Special Event. People know when and where it is happening.
As much as people, myself included, would like to see things like rolling plane sets in the MA it just ain't gonna happen. We need to learn to live with that. Along with all the other things that may annoy us in the MA.
As far as I'm concerned now, 3 H2H rooms could served exactly the function this exeriment did. I flew the early war fields and there were never more than 8 people at those fields when I was on. I certainly at this time do not want to see any server resources dedicated to this idea. If the CT admins want to try it again that's cool, I will fly there if others are there also, but I'm not confident it's really worth the effort.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Thought this might be an appropriate time to start a debriefing on the first-ever run of a fightertown setup.
My impression: Where were all the people who said they'd be interested in this? I saw some of them at the beginning of last week, for one, possibly two nights. Since then, on my watch, it's been mostly the CT regulars. And not even all of them, because those who opposed fightertown often boycotted it.
So color me disappointed. I wonder if some of our MA friends who thought this would be a good idea could suggest why it didn't work out?
- oldman
Lack of advertising :)
I still think it would be nice if HT and company would have one of those little pop up screens that show up when something new is added, also be used to let folks know what else is going on besides the MA.
"Now Playing" in the CT is......followed by the description.
This would also include Snapshots, special events etc.
Folks head straight for the MA without looking at what's up elsewhere and there just aren't that many who populate the boards here.
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Please forgive the rambling nature of this post, I had alot of thoughts to cram in and its busy today at work, no time to really sort them out. I hope its readable and understandable.
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You sir, must be as busy as I am :D
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it missed the weekend
didn't the CT change like clockwork every friday?
has it changed yet? it is only wednesday and still has ft in there...
lack of organization, dedication and gettin the word out lately ain't helpin ct's image lately
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Thought this might be an appropriate time to start a debriefing on the first-ever run of a fightertown setup.
My impression: Where were all the people who said they'd be interested in this? I saw some of them at the beginning of last week, for one, possibly two nights. Since then, on my watch, it's been mostly the CT regulars. And not even all of them, because those who opposed fightertown often boycotted it.
So color me disappointed. I wonder if some of our MA friends who thought this would be a good idea could suggest why it didn't work out?
- oldman
Didn't knew it existed.
Lack of advertisement perhaps ?
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Originally posted by straffo
Didn't knew it existed.
Lack of advertisement perhaps ?
(in my best lawyerly voice)
Your Honor, I rest my case!
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
(in my best lawyerly voice)
Your Honor, I rest my case!
I can understand not being a patron of the BBS and not knowing about it but if you frequent the boards I don't know how you could miss it.
I still think more advertisement could only have helped but those who initiated and supported the idea should have taken the time to say something in MA and get folks over there.
Personally, I'm not behind the idea, just not my style of play but I still tried it out.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
What we need is not to draw more MA folks who occasionally fly the CT, but to recruit our own crowd who flys mostly in the CT and maybe sometimes in the MA. For that, we need maps gentlemen, and we need squads. Pure and simple. Instead of vilifying and breaking up the JG54, we should be using them as a model (minus the grouchiness lol) to build more squads. They fly together. They watch each other's backs. They prevent the stuff we gripe at them for doing from happening to their members..
Well said. There are people that complain about squads in the CT , however when the CT was going strong........... Well for the CT:D It was the participation of squads that was a big reason. I've been on both sides Axis, and Allieds, I was even one of the founders on JG54 , and a few other squads, Insert Sarcasm Here Bear76;) We usually have a strong Allied line up of squads if we're lucky 1 or 2 Axis squads. If your outnumbered week after week , it's not hard to get an us against them attitude.
Some comments made about setups do come across as sarcastic, rude, or whiney, I agree. However maybe the CT staff could look at what their saying , not how their saying it. I know that may be hard when you've worked to get a setup on-line and people are throwing turdballs at it. Some of that does come with the job though. In the same light when guys have a complaint , try to not to assume the CT staff has it out for you or your squad personally.
The CT is better with a healthy , well skilled Axis squad in it . It would be even better with 2 or 3 of them. The C.O. of the 487th RO487 has dedicated this squad to fly Japanese during PTO's to not only help the Axis but help the Navy and USMC squads as well enjoy the setup.
Storch came up with the idea of a CT board sometime back. Maybe we should have instead a CT Squad C.O. Board , consisting of not only the Squad C.O.'s but the CT staff as well to possibly work out bumbs before they become bolders.
Working against each other hasn't done the CT any good. We can work together with the staff , and squads, on this board and still fight like hell with our planes in the arena. Just my 2 cents.
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Let’s face it, the CT is a leper colony; at least most people react to is as if its one. MA stands for Main Arena; that’s tough to compete with. Unless an arena is named: “Best Pilots Fly Here”, “Air Combat & Porn” or “Dork Free Arena”, the mob will follow the mob. I really don’t think that anything will be very successful without HTC’s endorsement. If HTC does not provide a dedicated arena its hard to imagine anything taking off no matter how great the concept.
I also pretty much agree with virtually everything said above my post.
eskimo
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I think the idea has some merit, but as I stated before, most of what is offered in this type of setup you can get for free H2H.
I think the reason numbers dropped off in the CT may be due to the limited scenarios we can have at the moment. There is a huge shortage of maps.
That, coupled with a bit of frustration on the players part, and the CM's part = reduced interest.
I agree we need more squad participation in the CT. Not just on Axis side but Allies as well. Say what you will about our only real sqn regularly in the CT, but the bottom line is, they fly together and put up a tough fight.
Seems to me about a year ago (pre AHII) we had it pretty good, all in all, in the CT. What worked then should work now.
So, what did work good back then?
More varied scenarios because we had more maps is one reason.
We have some new faces that have come to the CT this past year, and they have nothing to compare it to, as it is now to what it was then. They have valid points to make about what is happening with the CT, in general aren't happy with the arena, and want the same thing we older inhabitants want.
Do we need to change the "modus operandi" of the CT?
I don't think so, just let's get it back to what it was before.
I like the idea of a CT Board. Maybe if we could allow players to design week long scenarios, have them approved and run by the CT staff, we could start to rebuild.
There are people anxiously waiting for CAP to start up, why not run one in the CT to generate some interest. Say on a Saturday, then allow the map and basic premise to run for the rest of the week ala regular CT setup?
thought? comments?
just an idear:)
RTR
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I will not play in the CT again until the issue of the axis planes under performing when compared to the MA. since the current administration has stated that I'm full of **** on this issue and all my posts get skuzzified I guess I'm not coming back. I do miss it though.
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Originally posted by RTR
There are people anxiously waiting for CAP to start up, why not run one in the CT to generate some interest. Say on a Saturday, then allow the map and basic premise to run for the rest of the week ala regular CT setup?
thought? comments?
just an idear:)
RTR
I kinda like the idea. I've been a proponent of syncing the setups in the CT more closely with SEA events. Running similar maps and plane setups as popular scenarios/snapshots/squad ops/CAP events that could help introduce players ovewhelmed by the event itself into the right frame of mind, provide practice area for people participating, or just as a way to tag our weekly scenarios onto a special event announcement and get free advertising. Obviously there are some special event maps that wont work for a week long CT scenario, but for those we could do the suggested weekend setup.
This is also a good way (IMO) to tie into the need for more squads to operate in the CT. How many old vets dont fly in the MA, but DO fly scenarios? I could name a handful right off. Most of them are in active squads. Alot of them do their practicing offline. If we did tie-in CT scenarios, not only would we give them an online place to practice against live opponents, but a chance to have a little fun too. If they come, their squads will come with them.
I know its a bit of a pipe dream, but its not totally out of reach. And if we do the tie-in thing, at least we dont have to worry about a map that week. :)
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People didnt come because its not the MA, plain and simple and there is nothing HTC or the CT Staff can/could do about that.
SA2 is right, the CT doesnt need MA converts, although I think anyone and everyone from the MA should be welcomed and encouraged to come to the CT, not driven away. What the CT needs is a separate group, for whom the CT is their reason they play AH, not a temporary diversion to break the usual MA routine. Until that happens, like it was before AHII, nothing will make it better.
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Originally posted by Grits
People didnt come because its not the MA, plain and simple and there is nothing HTC or the CT Staff can/could do about that.
SA2 is right, the CT doesnt need MA converts, although I think anyone and everyone from the MA should be welcomed and encouraged to come to the CT, not driven away. What the CT needs is a separate group, for whom the CT is their reason they play AH, not a temporary diversion to break the usual MA routine. Until that happens, like it was before AHII, nothing will make it better.
I enjoyed it , had fun , But I can only occasionally make the CT due to the time of day down here unfortunately.
When I was in there folks seemed to be having fun. A week was probably long enough.
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Mind you, I thought Fighter Town was a great idea and I'm glad it was tried, my comment was more on the CT in general than Fighter Town in particular. There was nothing wrong with Fighter Town other than it wasnt the MA, and in that respect it had the same problem as the CT in general (thought the CT admittedly has other deeper issues).
Actually, I think the Fighter Town experiment clearly illustrates the fact the no matter what you run in the CT, you will not get significant numbers away from the MA, its just not gonna happen.
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Disrespectful
"4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated. "
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:lol :rofl :lol :rofl :rofl
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I'd have been there but was out of town the whole week.
Came back and the gaming puter has a virus of the vundo tribe.
Haven't killed it yet. I may call in the pros now.
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Originally posted by storch
Disrespectful
What a shock:eek:
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We should ask HT put a marquee inside the tower screen. How's that for an advertisement? :D
Okay, that was a joke, but seriously, how about an advertising space inside the MA? Like, perhaps a large banner or bulletin board that sits nearby the runway, and the CM can type in his short, one sentence message.
So, everytime someone ups from a field, he'll be able to see it. It doesn't have to be messy or big, just a hard-to-miss type of big board that hands nearby certain fighter or buff hangar.
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Originally posted by storch
Annoying
Don't bring up that hoary old " it's the plane not the pilot" chestnut again. ;)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
We should ask HT put a marquee inside the tower screen. How's that for an advertisement? :D
Okay, that was a joke, but seriously, how about an advertising space inside the MA? Like, perhaps a large banner or bulletin board that sits nearby the runway, and the CM can type in his short, one sentence message.
So, everytime someone ups from a field, he'll be able to see it. It doesn't have to be messy or big, just a hard-to-miss type of big board that hands nearby certain fighter or buff hangar.
or a couple of these flying above each base of under attack, like the drones do offline :)
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/abanner.jpg)
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/abannerb.jpg)
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Originally posted by Redd
Don't bring up that hoary old " it's the plane not the pilot" chestnut again. ;)
jump out of the spit V sometime, try the 190 A8 in the MA and then try it in the CT. :aok
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Originally posted by storch
jump out of the spit V sometime, try the 190 A8 in the MA and then try it in the CT. :aok
I'm having a 38J tour , quite enjoying it actually, always regerded it as a strange POS , but am kind of liking it.
I honestly believe any difference you are feeling in the 190 is because you fly it differently in the MA vs CT. Anyone flying the 190 in MA pretty much cherrypicks and runs , and that's not a criticism , it's just a reality of the MA environment where there are just so many better planes around , stopping to fight is way too dangerous for a plane like the FW. All the FW's are flown in there as hit and run/ BnZ.
But the CT environment is different , with limited plane sets , you can actually fly the 190 in a more historical fashion and be quite aggressive with it in an engagement. So maybe you are flying it harder, taking more chances , and more importantly getting closer to the edge, so are seeing more tendency to stall etc in the CT . (assuming it's stall tendency etc you are talking about. )
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Originally posted by storch
jump out of the spit V sometime, try the 190 A8 in the MA and then try it in the CT. :aok
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Originally posted by Toad
I'd have been there but was out of town the whole week.
Came back and the gaming puter has a virus of the vundo tribe.
Haven't killed it yet. I may call in the pros now.
free online virus scan...
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Originally posted by Redd
But the CT environment is different , with limited plane sets , you can actually fly the 190 in a more historical fashion and be quite aggressive with it in an engagement. So maybe you are flying it harder, taking more chances , and more importantly getting closer to the edge, so are seeing more tendency to stall etc in the CT . (assuming it's stall tendency etc you are talking about. )
Once again, Redd hit the nail on the head.
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no redd didnt. i fly the same way in all arenas sept the DA. you know how i know that cuz im the one flying and it does seam that 109s and 190s stall a bit easyer in the CT then they do in the MA. just to say this again cuz yall seem to not get this it ur head i fly the CT MA the same and german planes stall easyer in the CT then they do in the MA.
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BTW hows the CT doing now that the "Bad Guys" left. Why jsut two days ago I saw a record booming 5 people in there thats gatta be somesort of record.
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Did you read the links I provided TK? LW planes fly differently in the CT for you because you want them to, not because they actually do. You know very well that since I started playing AH I have spent at least 50% (in AHI it was closer to 75%) of my time in the CT flying Axis and I dont see any difference. A couple of the LW planes, the 190A-5 and the 109F-4 are in my top 5 favorites in AH.
Do I think most of the Allied planes have more docile handling traits that are more forgiving, with better gun ballistics and are therefore more easy to kill in? Yes, no question but the LW planes are not different in any arena.
To persist in the thought that the LW planes fly differently in the CT is purely delusional.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
no redd didnt. i fly the same way in all arenas sept the DA. you know how i know that cuz im the one flying and it does seam that 109s and 190s stall a bit easyer in the CT then they do in the MA. just to say this again cuz yall seem to not get this it ur head i fly the CT MA the same and german planes stall easyer in the CT then they do in the MA.
TK, my squadies and I had this same argument last night. We flew in the SEA and some of them were complaining the the zekes could not shoot down the f4fs. They were compalining that something must be porked.
Well. I ask this. Show me what a CT or SEA manager can do to pork a specific plane in a specific arena? I have looked over the arena settings and cannot find anything they could do. Unless there is some secret tool they have that the rest of us are unaware of then, well, the grapes smell rather sour to me.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
TK, my squadies and I had this same argument last night. We flew in the SEA and some of them were complaining the the zekes could not shoot down the f4fs. They were compalining that something must be porked.
Well. I ask this. Show me what a CT or SEA manager can do to pork a specific plane in a specific arena? I have looked over the arena settings and cannot find anything they could do. Unless there is some secret tool they have that the rest of us are unaware of then, well, the grapes smell rather sour to me.
who said anything about CMs porking the settings???? I said the german A/C stall out easyer in the CT then the MA didnt say one word about that.
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here we go again:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by _Ro_
here we go again:rolleyes:
yep this how its always been in the CT and how it always will be.
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Its obvious I'm wasting my time trying to reason with you TK. I wont bother you anymore.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
who said anything about CMs porking the settings???? I said the german A/C stall out easyer in the CT then the MA didnt say one word about that.
Then explain to me how that can be so when the arena has nothing to do with the flight model? I see nothing that ANYONE could do to make this possible.
You make an accusation but provide absolutley no logical evidence of how it could be a fact. IT IS SAME FM IN BOTH ARENAS.
This is about as stupid as me trying to convince you I have fairies living in my back yard. "I have no evidence that they could possibly exist, but they are there, believe me they really are!"
And that is exactly what you sound like.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
This is about as stupid as me trying to convince you I have fairies living in my back yard. "I have no evidence that they could possibly exist, but they are there, believe me they really are!"
Tell Tinkerbell , Shifty says hey.:D
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Then explain to me how that can be so when the arena has nothing to do with the flight model? I see nothing that ANYONE could do to make this possible.
You make an accusation but provide absolutley no logical evidence of how it could be a fact. IT IS SAME FM IN BOTH ARENAS.
This is about as stupid as me trying to convince you I have fairies living in my back yard. "I have no evidence that they could possibly exist, but they are there, believe me they really are!"
And that is exactly what you sound like.
u mean to tell me the tooth fairy isnt real!!!!!!:confused: :confused:
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I think that the CT has a different or can have a different setting for the stall limiter. Now, even though I have it off, I remember one time asking Slash I thinkif something was different cause I kept falling of the sky. I think he went and changed something and things got alittle more stable.
So, it is possible there is a setting effecting the flight models of all planes, but since Storch is usually in German planes and they have a much nastier stall than a SpitV, he sees it a lot more often or pronoun on the 109s and 190s.
Then again, I could be full of doo doo.
:aok
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That would require the existance of a bug that causes that effect even though the stall limiter is off, or it may be a value effectign the stall in general.
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Originally posted by dedalos
I think that the CT has a different or can have a different setting for the stall limiter. Now, even though I have it off, I remember one time asking Slash I thinkif something was different cause I kept falling of the sky. I think he went and changed something and things got alittle more stable.
So, it is possible there is a setting effecting the flight models of all planes, but since Storch is usually in German planes and they have a much nastier stall than a SpitV, he sees it a lot more often or pronoun on the 109s and 190s.
Then again, I could be full of doo doo.
:aok
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That would require the existance of a bug that causes that effect even though the stall limiter is off, or it may be a value effectign the stall in general.
If this is true............ Then why can't a way be found to ethier prove or disprove this whole theory. If it's something in the settings,,, fix it already. If it's not then lets drop it. We're melting right back into the old flame fest and right back to square one.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Shifty
If this is true............ Then why can't a way be found to ethier prove or disprove this whole theory. If it's something in the settings,,, fix it already. If it's not then lets drop it. We're melting right back into the old flame fest and right back to square one.:rolleyes:
Well, it may not be related at all to the problem and the question ws never asked. Some one complained about the FM of a specific plane and the answer to that is that it is the same as the MA which is true. The way the problem was presented, no one thought of looking at it as an arena setting. I though of it cause I remember one of the CT staff twiking it, but then again, it may not be related at all.
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I am sure HT, if hes some time, can take a quiqe look at the settings and see if there are any differences from the MA
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Originally posted by Oldman731
My impression: Where were all the people who said they'd be interested in this? I saw some of them at the beginning of last week, for one, possibly two nights.
So color me disappointed. I wonder if some of our MA friends who thought this would be a good idea could suggest why it didn't work out?
- oldman
Maybe theres not that many furballers, it just sounds like there is. :D
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Well since we as staffers are all looked upon with contempt let me run and hide...Geez get off the high horse guys and tell us what you think the problem could possibly be!
When I have done a setup in the past the only thing I have touched that effected flight was the wind settings and I did that accidentally and changed it when Shane and others who were flying at ludicrous altitude (aka way the f*** up there) staying complaining about staying trimmed. After that I reworked the wind layers and have never touched them again.
So for those of you who don't believe anything and think its all an anti-aircraft conspiracy group in the CT believe what you want to. But there is no pork the axis aircraft setting we can fiddle fart around with to screw up how a specific aircraft flies in the CT versus the MA.
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Originally posted by Reschke
When I have done a setup in the past the only thing I have touched that effected flight was the wind settings and I did that accidentally and changed it when Shane and others who were flying at ludicrous altitude (aka way the f*** up there) staying complaining about staying trimmed. After that I reworked the wind layers and have never touched them again.
Did you read my post? Maybe you did not touch it. Maybe it is right, now. Maybe it was set differently by default or because some one esle touched it. I am not making things up here. I remember - I think it was Slash - talking about the stall setting. The question is, is it related to what these guys reported or not.
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Originally posted by Reschke
Well since we as staffers are all looked upon with contempt let me run and hide...Geez get off the high horse guys and tell us what you think the problem could possibly be!
When I have done a setup in the past the only thing I have touched that effected flight was the wind settings and I did that accidentally and changed it when Shane and others who were flying at ludicrous altitude (aka way the f*** up there) staying complaining about staying trimmed. After that I reworked the wind layers and have never touched them again.
So for those of you who don't believe anything and think its all an anti-aircraft conspiracy group in the CT believe what you want to. But there is no pork the axis aircraft setting we can fiddle fart around with to screw up how a specific aircraft flies in the CT versus the MA.
Don't take my post as a hit on staffers. It's not.
I think the number of people that think it's a conspiracy can be counted on one hand with room to spare. If it's some obscure setting that could cause it, that might be worth taking a look at. Personally when I fly the FW I know to expect stalls and spins. I havent flown it in MA .
I think the difference of arnea flying styles may have some merit in this arguement. I know if I have squaddies around and the numbers are even or I am on the side with the advantage I tend to manuver a lot harder. I know in the MA with any kind of plane being able to show up any second, I'd be a lot more conservative with my energy. All I'm saying is if there is a minute possibility it could be a setting . It seems somebody could check it out, and put this hog in the pen.
This is the most traffic the CT Forum has had in a while , and instead of trying to get some positives going , we're shooting our own foot again.
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StallLimitAoA
That is the setting. It doe snot look like it could effect anything without bug to go with it. See if it is the same setting in the MA. Just guessing here, so don't hurt me :)
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Shifty and Dedalos I apologize if it seemed like I was getting on you. I was not responding to you guys although you both have brought up valid items to check. When I get home in a little while I will check those and see if there is something to it. I don't think it effects the flight model but rather individual settings when they enter the arena.
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NP Reschke I just didnt want you getting the wrong idea. I wasn't slamming,, just asking. Text gets taken down the wrong path sometimes . It's always better when you can hear how the guy is saying what he's saying.
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Originally posted by storch
Star of Africa, JG54 hasn't broken up. most of us are waiting for for better leadership in CT staff. it's no secret that almost to a man we hold the current CT staff with contempt.
oh darn:(
Get a life
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what ever happened to JG2? how long did that squad last one two week?
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Originally posted by TrueKill
what ever happened to JG2? how long did that squad last one two week?
Wasnt keeping a log book. How long did you last on the CT Staff?
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Speaking of CT staff where has it been for the last 2 weeks, on vacation? The best thing you can do for the CT slash is stay away... when do we get to vote you and your cronies out? Its got to be coming up here soon... and you better learn to run cause that door is going to swing real hard on the way out.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Wasnt keeping a log book. How long did you last on the CT Staff?
longer then that squad lasted
oh btw i did a better job in the 2 weeks i was a CM then u'v done since u'v been a CM
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Originally posted by TrueKill
no redd didnt. i fly the same way in all arenas sept the DA. you know how i know that cuz im the one flying and it does seam that 109s and 190s stall a bit easyer in the CT then they do in the MA. just to say this again cuz yall seem to not get this it ur head i fly the CT MA the same and german planes stall easyer in the CT then they do in the MA.
I believe them. I will tell you why.
I fly HTH a lot. I have hosted a lot too, over the years. Lately I've hosted more.
I know for a FACT that people in my room complain of BS spins and stalls all the time. I myself get them more. F*** if I know WHY, but there is something fubar about MY settings that OTHER hth hosts don't have set. I've asked around, and nobody knows what it is. As such certain people avoid my room entirely (which is a sad thing, because I know them and welcome them).
There is something, somewhere, be it setting, bug, incompatibility, or hardware issue, that DOES cause some people to stall out way more and much more easily than in other servers.
Now take that bug I have when I host my room (1 server) and think about the complaints on the CT (another server), it's a server related bug, I know it happens to me, so I totally believe there is something there.
Problem is that those in charge don't experience it, so they don't work to fix it and they don't believe you when you say it (calling it a placebo).
ADDENDUM: Note that this event, when it occurs, is UNINTENTIONAL, and not something I do to screw with the people that join my room. Keep that in mind if/when formulating any grudges against others you think might be culpable (hope I put that as nicely as possible).
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Originally posted by VWE
Speaking of CT staff where has it been for the last 2 weeks, on vacation? The best thing you can do for the CT slash is stay away... when do we get to vote you and your cronies out? Its got to be coming up here soon... and you better learn to run cause that door is going to swing real hard on the way out.
Good lord you're sad. Pathetic really. You'll always have TK though.:aok
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Originally posted by Krusty
There is something, somewhere, be it setting, bug, incompatibility, or hardware issue, that DOES cause some people to stall out way more and much more easily than in other servers.
Now take that bug I have when I host my room (1 server) and think about the complaints on the CT (another server), it's a server related bug, I know it happens to me, so I totally believe there is something there.
My computer savy boils down to hit the E key to make airplane go now. So as far as server issues , I'm in the dark. First I've heard of this though. This is how this problem,,, if it does exsist will get solved though. Communication , not insults. Thanks Krusty.:aok
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Originally posted by VWE
Speaking of CT staff where has it been for the last 2 weeks, on vacation? The best thing you can do for the CT slash is stay away... when do we get to vote you and your cronies out? Its got to be coming up here soon... and you better learn to run cause that door is going to swing real hard on the way out.
You know what, VWE, why don't you e-mail Skuzzy? So far as I'm concerned, you can have my position this evening. I'm sure that Slash has other things he'd like to do as well, instead of sitting in front of his screen manually resetting all the bases in England, enabling different planes at each field, or some such task. He might even be able to fly in the MA, where someone else takes care of those things.
- oldman
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Its not up to skuzzy OM, so emailin him does no good.
And pethetic is someone who so desperately says they want to make the CT better, doesn't do his job he volunteered to do, then steps in this forum to take a few cheap shots.
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Originally posted by VWE
Its not up to skuzzy OM, so emailin him does no good.
And pethetic is someone who so desperately says they want to make the CT better, doesn't do his job he volunteered to do, then steps in this forum to take a few cheap shots.
Well if you say so then it has to be true. Being on the Staff isnt reserved for me and my "cronies". Its pretty much open to those who show they have a genuine intrest in the CT. If you think we are not doing our part then take it to HTC.
Ill be the first to admit the Staff doesnt always have their ducks in a row. This week being a prime example of that. But we do address the issues and work to prevent stuff like that from happening. Stuff not running right in the CT really falls on my head and I take responsibility that. Ive always been open to people ideas and suggestions for trying things to better the CT.
You wouldnt know what Im talking about because you bring nothing to the table. Never have. You have none of the " leadership" qualities you are always spouting off about. You and your minions view this as " its us vs Slash and his guys". You prove that time and again with your silly factless posts anytime you feel you can get a shot in on me. Well whatever dude. Youve shown what you and yours is all about and really no one who truly enjoys the CT gives a damn about you guys. The only thing you provide is the weekly whines and cries about what ever injustice was visited on you this week. You're tiresome, predictable, and cheap. Nothing more.
Whine on:aok
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Originally posted by TrueKill
longer then that squad lasted
oh btw i did a better job in the 2 weeks i was a CM then u'v done since u'v been a CM
lol NOT!!
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Well slash if people talked continuous crap about the squad you fly in for almost three years (JG3 and JG54) about how they fly and such there comes a time when you get fed up with the bull**** and snap. Thats what is going on here. What none of yall seemed to realize is that yall say we do this and that and dont take the time to look in the mirror. You know why JG3 and JG54 are trash talkers? Its becuase yalls trashtalk. Countless posts bashing and riping on us pisses us off. Espesually when people say that one squad is the soul reason that noone likes the CT. If you ask me thats one lame bellybutton excuses, because you cant find the reason that people dont fly the CT. But I know why people dont fly the CT, its becuace its not the MA.
(BTW VWE as better learership skills then u do slash and he would be a great CM becuase he knows whats best for the CT and wouldnt slack on the job)
Another thing JG54 was the best thing that happed to the CT, becuase those months when there were noone flying in the CT WE wehre the ones keeping the numbers up flying on both sides. Then when people start flying the CT again they whine cuz we gangbang and cherypick.
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CT was fun tonight, good fights, friendly chat, no complaining - good fun actually.
all and thanks for the fights.
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Originally posted by Shifty
My computer savy boils down to hit the E key to make airplane go now. So as far as server issues , I'm in the dark. First I've heard of this though. This is how this problem,,, if it does exsist will get solved though. Communication , not insults. Thanks Krusty.:aok
Agreed! The way to get things fixed is with positive communication, and not tear-downs like some in the other forums might do.
Lowe/Shifty (still not sure which to call ya), this problem has been around for a while, however I don't seem to recall it being so bad in AH1, when *I* hosted. However it is related to the 109s.
In AH1 I could *not* fly a G-2 or F-4. I so much as touched the stick and I stalled/spun out at ever and any speed. Wasn't my stick. I thought the flight model was fubared for a long long time. Then in AH2 I could fly them. I thought maybe it was because of the FM updates the 109s got (most planes got different FMs, with the way forces acted on the planes, anyways). But recently after reading this I wonder if that wasn't a symptom of the same problem, that in the transition to AH2 was lessened or hidden more. If it *is* a hardware problem, perhaps a theme can be found in the systems of those that experience it?
P3 650MHz
320MB RAM
Gateway Intel (I think Intel) mobo unknown type
Ge 256 DDR (32MB) and Ge 4400Ti(128MB) (both used, problem persists)
SB Live! OEM and SB Audigy 2 (both used, problem persists)
3COM 10MBps ethernet card
2 CDs, zip, floppy, 2 HDs (1 on a scsi card)
cable model, split 5 ways through a switch
That about sums up my rig.
P.S. Am using XP SP2 now but believe I had the AH1 problem on Win98SE. I've always kept up to date vid drivers and DirectX.
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Youve shown what you and yours is all about and really no one who truly enjoys the CT gives a damn about you guys.
Yeah, what ever slaker er slash... just keep your head in the sand and continue to run the CT into the ground, your doing a great job of that. :aok
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Damn, you guys are so sexy when you argue!
eskimo
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Originally posted by Krusty
Agreed! The way to get things fixed is with positive communication, and not tear-downs like some in the other forums might do.
Lowe/Shifty (still not sure which to call ya), this problem has been around for a while, however I don't seem to recall it being so bad in AH1, when *I* hosted. However it is related to the 109s.
In AH1 I could *not* fly a G-2 or F-4. I so much as touched the stick and I stalled/spun out at ever and any speed. Wasn't my stick. I thought the flight model was fubared for a long long time. Then in AH2 I could fly them. I thought maybe it was because of the FM updates the 109s got (most planes got different FMs, with the way forces acted on the planes, anyways). But recently after reading this I wonder if that wasn't a symptom of the same problem, that in the transition to AH2 was lessened or hidden more. If it *is* a hardware problem, perhaps a theme can be found in the systems of those that experience it?
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Would this explain the mysterious nose bounce P6E hawk was always complaining of?
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Originally posted by Shifty
Would this explain the mysterious nose bounce P6E hawk was always complaining of?
Yep I have that sometimes to. Uh oh looks like things are adding up.
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Originally posted by Redd
CT was fun tonight, good fights, friendly chat, no complaining - good fun actually.
all and thanks for the fights.
Yup, was a lot of fun, had 16-18 up for the better part of two hours. Even sides, good fights, no trash talking, just killin' and dyin'.
487th, Eagler, RTR and anyone else I missed.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Damn, you guys are so sexy when you argue!
eskimo
Dont tease me:p
Speaking of having your head up something. Have you ever considered having a window installed in your belly VWE?:aok
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---== LESSONS IN LEADERSHIP ==---
“Good lord you're sad. Pathetic really.”
“Get a life”
“If you think we are not doing our part then take it to HTC.”
“no one who truly enjoys the CT gives a damn about you guys.”
“You're tiresome, predictable, and cheap.”
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The problems in the CT are not caused by the complaining and sniping of the players. Complaining is as inevitable as death, taxes, turds and tides. Not going to go away. The problems are fostered by the responses of the leadership.
If Hitech, Skuzzy and Pyro involved themselves in a pissing contest every time someone complained about the MA we would all drown. They handle the incessant complaining quite well. Leadership takes a thick skin, a tight lip, and a broad smile.
One cannot control what comes out of the mouths or keyboards of others. One can only control what comes out of one’s own mouth and keyboard. The essence of responsibility is to exercise control where one can.
Climbs off soapbox, shakes head, wanders off to bed…
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Im not the leader of the CT oh wise one. Why you think your compadres get a free pass to accuse and insult whatever crosses thier path is beyond me. Intresting advise you give considering the company you keep. Try lecturing them once and see how well that goes for you.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Did you read my post? Maybe you did not touch it. Maybe it is right, now. Maybe it was set differently by default or because some one esle touched it. I am not making things up here. I remember - I think it was Slash - talking about the stall setting. The question is, is it related to what these guys reported or not.
There was some confusion about the stall limiter function in the settings. Skuzzy set us straight on which boxes to have checked so we wouldnt over ride people choosing whether or not to have the stall limit on or off. People ended up be forced to use or not use when we had the wrong things selected. That and I disabled your tractor beam:D
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Originally posted by Shifty
Would this explain the mysterious nose bounce P6E hawk was always complaining of?
If you check the "nose bounce" thread in the Help section, you'd see its a personal setting. I had the same problem, have had for some time. I took the advice in the thread, bingo. No more nose bounce.
If I had even a nickel for every time people blamed their problems on HT's coad and quit looking for something wrong on their end, I'd be .............. well, probably not rich, but I'd have alot more than I do now. :)
Seriously guys. Between the tech heads that hang out on the BBS testing stuff, Skuzzy testing stuff, and general "workin it out", almost all bugs are caught early on. It might take awhile to fix sometimes, but HT has done a decent job of it. I think if there was a bug that affected FMs it would have been caught by now.
And yes, I seem to notice a difference in flight between MA and CT too, but I still think its the way I fly, not a coad issue. There are nights I'd say thats BS too, but one thing makes me think it's me over the coad. It's not consistent. The only constant here is the underlying coad of the game. Arena changes, map changes...........they are irrellevant. Every one is identical as far as the settings go. Only our movements and actions within the arenas are subject to change. Even in the MA I have bad nights where it seems I cant fly for squat. I get frustrated, I make it worse. Then there are those nights where it seems like I cant lose, where every move is just right and I'm in that zone along the edge and no matter what I'm flying it performs miracles. I wish I had fewer of the former and more of the latter, but I cant blame it on the game.
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&goto=lastpost&threadid=148963
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Originally posted by Oleg
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&goto=lastpost&threadid=148963
Yep, that about settles that. Think Skuzzy was about as clear and to the point as he could be :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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I wonder why a majority of the 77 replies beat the some ol drum...again...and...again... and...again
:confused:
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Yep, that about settles that. Think Skuzzy was about as clear and to the point as he could be :)
Dan/CorkyJr
Hehehe , and then some.:lol
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Originally posted by Slash27
Im not the leader of the CT oh wise one.
All CT Staff Responsibilities
6. Conduct is in a professional manner when dealing with the CT members.
Originally posted by Slash27
Why you think your compadres get a free pass to accuse and insult whatever crosses thier path is beyond me.
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Originally posted by Slash27
Intresting advise you give considering the company you keep.
I’m pleased that you find my advise intresting (or is that spelled interesting and advice). Is there something I wrote with which you disagree?
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Originally posted by KONG1
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The First Amendment covers public speech. AH is not public, its private and its owned by HiTech, everything you do in AH is regulated by his rules. You can not display a Swastika in AH, yet this would be protected by the US Constitution, same for abusive speech.
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Originally posted by Slash27
There was some confusion about the stall limiter function in the settings. Skuzzy set us straight on which boxes to have checked so we wouldnt over ride people choosing whether or not to have the stall limit on or off. People ended up be forced to use or not use when we had the wrong things selected. That and I disabled your tractor beam:D
lol, I always have the limiter off. Around the same time, I had problems with Spits also, something might have been up effectign everything, not just 109s. However, there is a problem with my theory. First, it would require a software bug that would make that setting effect planes that have the limiter off and second, I have not noticed that problem in a while. Even before the FT arrena. So, again, I may be full of doo doo :lol
Sudgestions
CT staff
54, disband, change your names, and get a new start. I think at this point no one is going to take you seriusly even if you make a valid point.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Yep, that about settles that. Think Skuzzy was about as clear and to the point as he could be :)
Dan/CorkyJr
Wow, I read a little bit of that thread and it seems that people are talking about the stall setting there too. Maybe it is something to be looked at by both the CT staff and HT (assuming it has not already)
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I have noticed no difference in flight modeling or flight characteristics of an aircraft between the MA, CT, TA, Offline or anywhere.
I dunno, maybe it's just me and my uber PC.
P4 2.6Ghz
766 mb death defying Ram
Geforce FX 5200 uber dweeb killing video card with special power up adapter.
I had fun in the CT last night, and echo Grit's earlier comment. Wish I coulda stayed a while longer, but wife ack was fully loaded.
to all who partook, and came for the fun of it!
Oh, and this CT staff bashing needs to stop. We need to build the CT back up, not tear it down with inuendo and accusation.
RTR
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Originally posted by Grits
The First Amendment covers public speech. AH is not public, its private and its owned by HiTech, everything you do in AH is regulated by his rules. You can not display a Swastika in AH, yet this would be protected by the US Constitution, same for abusive speech.
You are, of course, absolutely correct in your observations, and I agree wholeheartedly. My point is this: Returning abuse with abuse is not the way to deal with it. Abusive speech should be dealt with in a professional controlled manner. Slash should know that you don’t put out fires by dowsing them with gasoline. As a staffer his job is to quell not incite.
Is there something in my initial post with which you disagree?
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StallLimitAOA, only has an effect when your have the stall limiter enabled. It is simply the degres before stall AOA that the stick is relaxed.
So if storch is flying with the stall limiter enabled it could change it's ablity to stall, but would not effect any type of plane differently.
If you do not have stall imiter enabled, there is no setting that can change anything about how the planes fly, let alone a setting that would effect 1 plane type.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
StallLimitAOA, only has an effect when your have the stall limiter enabled. It is simply the degres before stall AOA that the stick is relaxed.
So if storch is flying with the stall limiter enabled it could change it's ablity to stall, but would not effect any type of plane differently.
If you do not have stall imiter enabled, there is no setting that can change anything about how the planes fly, let alone a setting that would effect 1 plane type.
HiTech
then can there be something with someones computer that might not like the settings and mess with it so that you stall out easyer?
someone said that the nose bounce was because of the persons system if this is true then could this stall thing be the same?
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It wouldn't change between arena's
HiTech
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Originally posted by KONG1
You are, of course, absolutely correct in your observations, and I agree wholeheartedly. My point is this: Returning abuse with abuse is not the way to deal with it. Abusive speech should be dealt with in a professional controlled manner. Slash should know that you don’t put out fires by dowsing them with gasoline. As a staffer his job is to quell not incite.
Are you talking about in the arena or here on the BBS? I've never seen Slash act unprofessionally in the arena but I'm not there all the time obviously, and things by nature here on the BBS are nasty and have been for a long time. Most of what I have seen from him that was nasty were responses to personal attacks on him, not his performance as CT staff. Being on the CT staff does not stop him from returning in kind to personal attacks.
Is there something in my initial post with which you disagree? [/B]
Nope, I think you are right, it is indeed like taxes and death, people are just going to complain, nothing you can do about it.
I would never, ever consider being part of the CT staff even though I think I have things I could add because of the incessant whining about some thing or another, most of it either out of the staff's hands or things that are so insignificant it appears to be just an excuse to take a shot at them. Its just not worth it for what you have to put up with IMO and I respect the CT staff for that regardless of mistakes they make from time to time.
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Well, what ever it was, I have not noticed it for at list a month or two.
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Originally posted by Grits
Are you talking about in the arena or here on the BBS? I've never seen Slash act unprofessionally in the arena but I'm not there all the time obviously, and things by nature here on the BBS are nasty and have been for a long time.
You havent but I have and one thing that he said in a PM to me really really pissed me off. I should have took a screen shot and sent it in. Slash do you remember what I'm talking about? It was that night with the Fin/Rus map.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
someone said that the nose bounce was because of the persons system if this is true then could this stall thing be the same?
Actually, its a problem with the default deadband setting vs the sensitivity of various sticks that makes the problem more or less pronounced depending on the individual, their type of stick, the age of the stick or general condition, etc. The lighter the springs are off the center, the more worn it is, etc, the more likely you are to get variations from stiffer ones (no jokes about stiff or limp sticks lol). It simply requires that you adjust the default settings to fit your specific needs (big surprise, I'm having a DOH! moment that I never thought of it). Some of the longtime vets have had custom stick profiles for quite awhile, and I think the rest of us dont mess with them more because it is so intimidating to look at all those sliders and all those settings and not really know how much one or the other is going to help without trying it. Anyway, the very simple suggestions in the thread I mentioned helped me remove my nose bounce. Gunnery is improving too.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Actually, its a problem with the default deadband setting vs the sensitivity of various sticks that makes the problem more or less pronounced depending on the individual, their type of stick, the age of the stick or general condition, etc. The lighter the springs are off the center, the more worn it is, etc, the more likely you are to get variations from stiffer ones (no jokes about stiff or limp sticks lol). It simply requires that you adjust the default settings to fit your specific needs (big surprise, I'm having a DOH! moment that I never thought of it). Some of the longtime vets have had custom stick profiles for quite awhile, and I think the rest of us dont mess with them more because it is so intimidating to look at all those sliders and all those settings and not really know how much one or the other is going to help without trying it. Anyway, the very simple suggestions in the thread I mentioned helped me remove my nose bounce. Gunnery is improving too.
rgr ill go check that out
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I have the stall limiter disabled and the combat trim off
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Originally posted by storch
I have the stall limiter disabled and the combat trim off
as do i
I haven't noticed any difference btwn ma & ct as far as any plane fm goes
I can stir the stick equally in both :)
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Originally posted by dedalos
Well, what ever it was, I have not noticed it for at list a month or two.
that would be about right. it was happening before, it stopped and then started about two months ago but only in the CT. prior to two months ago I hardly ever flew in the MA so I had no basis for comparisson.
no need for us to disband I think we will wait out this current crop while looking and hoping for improvement. If improvement comes I would return to the arena. for my part my complaint isn't so much about personality or individuals but about responsibility, commitment and follow through. If a person can't fulfill his obligations then the subject person should resign his position and allow someone else to provide the service.
I wouldn't take on a job (even a voluntarily one) unless I am sure that;
1. I could hold up my end of the arrangement
2. I could deal with the inevitable critizism any position of leadership surely brings with it.
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Then the plane will fly exatly like it would in the main arena.
On thing you might consider is if the CT is using a different Fuel burn rate. You would always be ariving at the fight heavyier than you would for an = time in the main. But I assure you there is no change in the flight model between arenas other than what I have spoken about.l
HiTech
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Originally posted by storch
If a person can't fulfill his obligations then the subject person should resign his position and allow someone else to provide the service.
You volunteering again, Storch?
- oldman
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Originally posted by hitech
Then the plane will fly exatly like it would in the main arena.
On thing you might consider is if the CT is using a different Fuel burn rate. You would always be ariving at the fight heavyier than you would for an = time in the main. But I assure you there is no change in the flight model between arenas other than what I have spoken about.l
HiTech
This is a simple thing to check. And something that can be done when I get home tonight.
Usually in the CT we change the fuel burn to allow for people to stay up longer than what you see in the MA. Wouldn't a change in the fuel burn rate allow for the center of gravity in our virtual planes to change? If so then Storch and associates would be flying more aggressively in the nature of the CT and smaller fights. All the while being in a heavier fuel state than they are used to and as a result they think that they could fly as they do in the MA and then end up falling out of the fight because the aircraft is performing differently than in the MA when they fly.
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Grits do you really believe “returning in kind to personal attacks” is a successful strategy. That’s what they do on Jerry Springer.
Is a criticism of one’s performance a personal attack?
‘You are no good’ is a personal attack.
‘You did no good’ is not a personal attack.
‘You suck’ is a personal attack.
‘Your setup sucks’ is not a personal attack.
‘You are irresponsible.’ is a personal attack.
‘You were irresponsible’ is not a personal attack.
And yes, I believe the rules of comportment for staffers carry over to the CT forum, not necessarily the Oclub.
I have intentionally refrained from commenting on how the CT is maintained. If you play there you already know, if you don’t play there it doesn’t matter. Complaining about volunteers is like looking a gift horse in the mouth. Nevertheless, I am condemned by my association with the evil minions whose very existence is the source of all evil and pestilence. I implore you all to join our cult of depravity and sin. The leather doesn’t chafe too bad if you use a little powder. Shun your flapped up laser 50 hizooka silk panty rides, ride the ragged edge of the rusty razor, be the yang to the ying, be the bang to the bling, embrace the dark side. Kill, kill, kill, flames, smoke, lamentations and mourning, I see dead people, the horror…the horror…..
Wipes foam from corner of mouth, and returns to tending the flower garden…
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Originally posted by VWE
Yeah, what ever slaker er slash... just keep your head in the sand and continue to run the CT into the ground, your doing a great job of that. :aok
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I'm trying to figure out who is the younger by the remarks lately, Truekill or VWE.:lol
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Originally posted by Oldman731
You volunteering again, Storch?
- oldman
never volunteered before and I'm not volunteering now, just saying.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Grits do you really believe “returning in kind to personal attacks” is a successful strategy. That’s what they do on Jerry Springer.
Is a criticism of one’s performance a personal attack?
There has been some of both. If anyone is personally attacked they have the right to respond.
I have intentionally refrained from commenting on how the CT is maintained. If you play there you already know, if you don’t play there it doesn’t matter. Complaining about volunteers is like looking a gift horse in the mouth. Nevertheless, I am condemned by my association with the evil minions whose very existence is the source of all evil and pestilence.[/I] [/B]
You will notice that I dont make blanket statements about JG54, I speak of specific individuals if I have a problem with one of them. Many of them I like a lot, and contrary to what JG54 may think there is not anyone in the squad that I dislike, its just a game to me. Anything that happens, like my "temporary Turretts" episode several weeks back, I dont hold grudges, the next day its gone and forgotten by me.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Well slash if people talked continuous crap about the squad you fly in for almost three years (JG3 and JG54) about how they fly and such there comes a time when you get fed up with the bull**** and snap. Thats what is going on here. What none of yall seemed to realize is that yall say we do this and that and dont take the time to look in the mirror. You know why JG3 and JG54 are trash talkers? Its becuase yalls trashtalk. Countless posts bashing and riping on us pisses us off. Espesually when people say that one squad is the soul reason that noone likes the CT. If you ask me thats one lame bellybutton excuses, because you cant find the reason that people dont fly the CT. But I know why people dont fly the CT, its becuace its not the MA.
(BTW VWE as better learership skills then u do slash and he would be a great CM becuase he knows whats best for the CT and wouldnt slack on the job)
Another thing JG54 was the best thing that happed to the CT, becuase those months when there were noone flying in the CT WE wehre the ones keeping the numbers up flying on both sides. Then when people start flying the CT again they whine cuz we gangbang and cherypick.
Tk comparing JG3 to JG54 is comparing apples to oranges. JG54 never reached the level JG3 did as far as skill and organization. In fact after you quit JG3 to fly with Jester's short lived bomber squad, Twodogs wouldn't let you back in JG3. He said he didn't want any traitors. The only reason you got back in is because I went to bat for you. Now I started with both those squads and I know what happened and what didn't. Niether one one those squads started with a defensive attitude and both were respected. JG3 got cocky because we could dominate an arena. Twodog's paranoia started the demise of JG3. A lot of that attitude carried over when certain members of the old JG3 were let into JG54(against my advice I might add). I heard all the crap about how bias HTC was toward allied planes, blah blah blah. I sure didn't seem to have the problems Storch and a couple others obcessed about. I'm sure when you're not the pilot you think you are or want to be, you have to find a plausable excuse.
You keep playing the same old tune, we're being picked on and we're just defending ourselves. BS! There are four members of JG54 who have put their whole squad in the position it's in, PERIOD!! Don't tell me it's not, I was there. I really feel sorry for some of your guys like soda and stat who are getting lumped in with the rest. They are good guys and don't deserve it.
And TK while we're at it. You've had the JG54 site for almost a year. Either update it and remove my name from it or quit linking to it. I'm sure there are many other ex-JG54's that would appreciate it too.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
You havent but I have and one thing that he said in a PM to me really really pissed me off. I should have took a screen shot and sent it in. Slash do you remember what I'm talking about? It was that night with the Fin/Rus map.
I find it very hard to believe you forgot to get a screenshot of my "abuse". Kind of hard to produce evidence of something that never happened.
As far as you being pissed off, how hard is that to do these days? You fly off the handle when anyone talks to you in game or here. You dont like me TK, your friends dont like me. So what. Im not going to lose any sleep over you guys. I went to bat for you to get you on the staff. More than one person said you didnt have the maturity to handle it. I told them no way, he's young but he really loves the game and does alot with his missions and skinning. I told them you would come along fine. You went above and beyond in proving me wrong. Since then you really have gone off the deep end. If you arent having fun, take a break. You'e 18 and pissed at the world and no one can get through to you now. Most of us have been there and done that. Go out and have some damn fun before you wake up old and angry.
KONG, you dont know me. You want to talk to me about the CT?
slash27@earthlink.net
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Originally posted by Shifty
Would this explain the mysterious nose bounce P6E hawk was always complaining of?
I don't know. I'mnot sure what it's like to have no nose bounce. I've had it always, since AH1.
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Originally posted by hitech
Then the plane will fly exatly like it would in the main arena.
On thing you might consider is if the CT is using a different Fuel burn rate. You would always be ariving at the fight heavyier than you would for an = time in the main. But I assure you there is no change in the flight model between arenas other than what I have spoken about.l
HiTech
HT, I know of what he speaks. I get it when I host an HTH room (for some reason it happens in my room but not in anybody else's). It's not so much stalling out too soon, as it is an accelerated stall, where the plane is unstable at any speed and any angle. Even leveling off with the auto pilot, waiting, and taking the controls again doesn't help. You will be completely unstable and unable to perform coordinated manuvers until you crash, and then the next sortie may be just as bad.
The onset of this odd affliction seems to be random. You can have a perfectly good sortie, perform a turn, break, perform an identical turn, and you won't be able to keep yourself from snap rolling left or right in the 190 or 109. Less so the 190 now, but it still happens in the 109 occasionally. it's odd. I know it can't be any of the host settings, as I've pored over them repeatedly and found nothing. My best guess is that it's some hardware/software issue, where the game runs fine on 99% of machines, but there is that 1% that can't handle it and computes a number wrong then AH has a stall spasm because of it. Long shot, yes. But my only guess right now.
EDIT: I can post my DXDiag results, but I don't know if they'd be any use at all. I also could not use the old calibration system for bombing. Followed the rules every time. Every time missed by miles. Not sure if that says anything about my system :(
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Slash,
You seem willing to participate in a childish flame fest in a public forum, why not a reasoned discussion? I believe I made a valid point and expressed it in a respectful manner. You may have guessed by now…I’m not 18.
Is there something in my initial post with which you disagree?
How do you reconcile your behavior with CT Staff Responsibilities #6?
“Conduct is in a professional manner when dealing with the CT members.”
The following responses are unacceptable:
-Well, gee whiz, they did it to me first.-
-I didn’t start it-
-They made me do it-
-I don’t wanna play anymore-
-Your not the boss-a-me-
-I did not have sexual relations-
-I’m tellin’ mom-
-bite me, bozo-
-acid reflux-
-It was all a big misunderstanding-
-The devil made me do it-
-depends on what the meaning of is is-
-I’ll get back to you on that-
-s**t happens-
-not gettin’ any-
-I was drunk-
-aliens abducted me as a child-
-so sue me-
-Shutup Dweeb-
-I had a really bad day-
and last but not least…
-all the other kids are doin’ it-
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Kong
The way these guys continually attack the CT staff , I guess you can't blame them for returning fire every now and then - it's called human nature. Volunteering your time to do something, and being continually pissed on by the peanut gallery would get more than a little frustrating I would imagine.
You made your point twice already I think, another page of being clever wasn't really needed was it ?
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This thread represents why the CT, on the whole, has failed.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Like I said KONG, we can chat if you like. If you're capable.
This thread represents why the CT, on the whole, has failed.
Yep, its a silly sad circle. Ive been told by friends and foes alike to move on. Maybe they have a point.
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Originally posted by Slash27
I find it very hard to believe you forgot to get a screenshot of my "abuse". Kind of hard to produce evidence of something that never happened.
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Ok slash lets see Fun/Rus map was up there were about 6 jg54 members on and one non JG54er cant remember who it was but it was the non jg54er plank and woodear on the russ side and me storch vwe and AM on the fin side. most of us on the fin side were flyin 110s takein down the town, porking field and stuff tryin to take A2 woodear was flyin the Il2 and plank was flying the La the fin jg54ers were up about 1-2k flyin around we kept letting the russ jg54ers up get some speed and alt then we start fighting i remember woodear dies in his Il2 about 10secs later anotherone rolls I go down and buzz it thinking it was woodear again hes about 40ft off the RW and he starts turning and shooting at us so i go in again and pop his engine it cuts out he has enough speed to turn around and starts heading to the RW i come around for another pass shoot and kill him to my suprise its not woodear but a non jg54er about 20-30 sec later i get a PM from u askin "why are yall vulching" i ask everyone on squad vox if they were vulching even plank and wood says we wernt so i reply "were not vulchin" then u reply "dont lie im sitting here in the tower watching yall" then i tell u again we wernt vulching and even the JG54ers that were fighting on the other side said we wernt then u say something like "yall are the reason noone like the CT" and leave. now does that refreash ur memery or am i jsut lieing like i do about everything?
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Spell check isle #5:p
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may be mis spelled but its all true
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The horse didnt move , the wind just blew it's main making it look like there may be some life left. You can quit now the horse is past dead .:rolleyes:
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Redd,
First, you have used unacceptable response (1) -Well, gee whiz, they did it to me first.-
Second, I apologize for being redundant, my first paragraph in this thread indeed said it all. It’s just that Mr. Slash continues to be confrontational. Did you notice his little “if your capable”?
Dead Man,
Why so negative, I have fun every time I go in the CT. So do the other regulars (that’s why they are regulars). Failure is too strong an adjective.
The CT players are like a family, they argue a lot but don’t seem to go away. I just ignore the static and get shot down a lot. There is nothing more entertaining than when I fly against my squad. I’ll tune to the squad channel and the country channel, then I get to listen to everybody complain about how everybody else is flying. Priceless.
Slash,
First, I have to say I appreciate the alliteration of “silly sad circles” good job.
Second, you have used unacceptable response (4) –I don’t wanna play anymore-
Bear,
Do you s**t in the woods?
TK,
I once knew a girl just as spastic as the one in your avatar. Not as chesty though.
Shifty,
Blowing a horse’s main is an entirely different thing from blowing a horse’s mane.
OK, I’ll quit.
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Is this what your looking for TK?
I like screen shots, don't you slash? Anything else you want to lie about?
(http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/52116a15/mail/__sr_/5c19.jpg?phZz_lCBTVa.mVZV)
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yes VWE but thats just when he said in CM text he said more in the PM to me i jsut wished id takin a screen shot of the PMs
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Originally posted by KONG1
Why so negative, I have fun every time I go in the CT. So do the other regulars (that’s why they are regulars). Failure is too strong an adjective.
Well, that's why I stated that it has failed on the whole. I have no doubt that those who frequent the CT continue to do so because they enjoy it for any number of reasons. But from an outsider's perspective, the arena appears filled with constant intersquad bickering, little desire to broaden the arena's appeal, and lots of turf fighting that results in stagnation or alienation.
It may be that none of this is actually true, but the impression given to those who do not regularly fly in the CT is a negative one. This thread alone degenerated quickly into the typical pattern of cliquish arguing that seems common with the CT. That's really unfortunate.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Let me ask you a few questions KONG, and I do not mean this in a confrontational manner, I'm genuinely interested in your answer.
What do you think of a couple of your Squaddies attitudes and the way they treat other people?
Do you think they behave in an appropriate manner towards others both in the arena and on the BBS?
How would you have responded their personal attacks if you had been the target?
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Originally posted by VWE
Is this what your looking for TK?
I like screen shots, don't you slash? Anything else you want to lie about?
(http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/52116a15/mail/__sr_/5c19.jpg?phZz_lCBTVa.mVZV)
Link to your "smoking gun " isnt working.
And how is "why are you guys vulching?" an insult? I wished you would have taken some screenshots too TK.
KONG, would you like to meet me in the CT to chat?
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Wow.... I can't believe I read the whole thing.
I, as and outsider who rarely fly’s the CT, agree w/ Levi on this. Outside looking in, threads like this don't make me want to fly the CT what so ever, which is too bad because I have had some fun times in the CT over the years.
Another point, the badmouthing of the CM's need to stop. I don't agree w/ how Slash is responding to some of this, but I also see he is being "pushed" pretty hard by some of you and that needs to quit. Being a CM is hard work. They are volunteering their time to try and make AH a better game for everybody. The CT CM's need to be given a measure of respect, for they don't HAVE to do it, and do it purely out of love for the game. So if you disagree with a CM on an issue, keep it to the topic at hand, and show a little respect.
Here's a snugget from Skuzzy on a recent King of the Hill thread I was in where a player was bashing me, and the CM's in general. Sage advice here guys.
Originally posted by Skuzzy
If you think you can run this even better, then fill out a CM application.
If you do not want to run the event, but would like to discuss it, then do so.
It is not acceptable, under any circumstances, for players to bad-mouth other players. There is nothing to be gained from it. Nothing. If you cannot properly discuss, then leave. If you think proper discussion is about being derogatory to other players, then you are choosing to not be a part of this forum.
Keep it civil. A discussion will get no where fast if all you contribute to it is derogatory flames at other players, let alone flaming a CM. Poor taste. If you have a problem, post it, discuss it, and work it out. Flames and insults are going to do nothing to further the discussion, and might cause you to no longer be ABLE to discuss things on this forum.
Just my 2 cents
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Originally posted by WMLute
Wow.... I can't believe I read the whole thing.
I, as and outsider who rarely fly’s the CT, agree w/ Levi on this. Outside looking in, threads like this don't make me want to fly the CT what so ever, which is too bad because I have had some fun times in the CT over the years.
Another point, the badmouthing of the CM's need to stop. I don't agree w/ how Slash is responding to some of this, but I also see he is being "pushed" pretty hard by some of you and that needs to quit. Being a CM is hard work. They are volunteering their time to try and make AH a better game for everybody. The CT CM's need to be given a measure of respect, for they don't HAVE to do it, and do it purely out of love for the game. So if you disagree with a CM on an issue, keep it to the topic at hand, and show a little respect.
Here's a snugget from Skuzzy on a recent King of the Hill thread I was in where a player was bashing me, and the CM's in general. Sage advice here guys.
Keep it civil. A discussion will get no where fast if all you contribute to it is derogatory flames at other players, let alone flaming a CM. Poor taste. If you have a problem, post it, discuss it, and work it out. Flames and insults are going to do nothing to further the discussion, and might cause you to no longer be ABLE to discuss things on this forum.
Just my 2 cents
Good post Lute. Sadly the people who are flaming the CM's, not just Slash, either quit the job when they had it or don't have the balls to step up to the plate.
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Troll
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Originally posted by storch
Troll
lol
I heard he's got little dolls and lots of pins as well , been feeling any lower back pain lately ? ;)
mate , you are really into the full blown conspiracy theory now . Do you really believe this stuff or are you just pulling our legs ? You're cracking me up either way :)
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the good thing about a ct arena is that with the proper map and settings, low numbers (5 on a side) would result in a fantastic time
I wish I had the time and the skill, I would make those maps
but using what is avaiable now is also possible
see my post here:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151694
ps
Storch
get over yourself, it is ok to die when u are removed from your horde
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Storch, have you lost your mind? It's posts like yours that steer people away from the CT. Who as an outsider would want to fly with or against someone who just posted what you posted?
Edit: It was Skuzzified.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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it was the truth irrespective of skuzzification
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No, it was an accusation of cheating/hacking the game directed towards another player. No bearing in truth at all.
"8- Cheating allegations or descriptions are not allowed. Email support@hitechcreations.com to report any issues regarding this. HTC permanently bans anyone caught cheating in Aces High. We take cheating and allegations of cheating very seriously. "
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storch
Since you have a self exile on yourself from CT, please extend it to the CT forum
Your babbling does nothing but harm the arena and since you longer partake (I do miss killing you over and over), your opinion is irrelevant
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Reasonably confident you won't win this argument storch.
Might want to scroll up and re-read what I posted. It was from the heart. Let's keep it civil (and reality based. I read the pre-skuzzyfied version, and was amused, yet saddened) and you would be amazed at what can get done when everyone is discussing things in a rational manner. The flowing of intelligent discourse would be a delightful waft of fresh air in here.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
No, it was an accusation of cheating/hacking the game directed towards another player. No bearing in truth at all.
"8- Cheating allegations or descriptions are not allowed. Email support@hitechcreations.com to report any issues regarding this. HTC permanently bans anyone caught cheating in Aces High. We take cheating and allegations of cheating very seriously. "
Now that kind of talk really turns me on!
eskimo
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Grits,
I could write a book on how to deal with bad behaviors. I’m actually of the opinion that people who are capable of behaving in a reasonable way on a consistent basis are in the minority. We all have inbred instincts of fight or flight and the tendency to lash out when threatened was important in a primal environment. Reasonable behavior requires reasoning, this takes place in our cerebral cortex. The question is who’s in control the Hulk or David Banner. Like I said, I could write a book, there’s the first paragraph.
Life teaches us many lessons in human nature that we can use for good or bad. I have observed someone using their knowledge of human nature to elicit reactionary responses from someone less experienced. Not one to abide bullies, I used reason and simple truth to illuminate the shortcomings in their character.
In my business I have interns who work for free, they are greatly appreciated. I also have customers who come in every shape, size and disposition. My interns are instructed NEVER to engage a customer. That’s my job. If there is a complaint I ignore the form it comes in and try to determine if there is some substance to it. If there is abusiveness I deal with it calmly and decisively and never bicker. I find defensiveness abhorrent. If you are not wrong why be defensive, if you are wrong do something about it. Now to answer your questions:
What do you think of a couple of your Squaddies attitudes and the way they treat other people?
First, you need to be more specific, which couple, what attitudes. Attitude is such a big word it is almost worthless. There are initial attitudes, attitudes resulting from specific treatment, attitudes resulting from other attitudes. I often receive negative reactions from people because my attitude is: if you say your gonna do it, do it. I don’t suffer fools easily and believe in personal responsibility. Some find these attitudes to be very negative others find them quite reasonable. Attitude is a very subjective thing. Discussing attitude is always fruitless better to discuss behaviors, which brings me to your next question.
Do you think they behave in an appropriate manner towards others both in the arena and on the BBS?
Another very non-specific question and “appropriate” is a highly subjective term. I can tell you I have behaved inappropriately on occasion but believe I’m way above the curve. I believe everybody’s behavior in the game exists in a gray scale somewhere between Oldman and the guy who just got permanently booted. If I had to average all the behaviors of all my squadies according to my version of appropriate. I believe they would be significantly above average. I joined this thread discussing specific behaviors by specific people as they pertain to the game environment. If you have specific examples of bad behavior please enumerate them. If you have examples of abusive behavior or personal attacks that brings me to your next question.
How would you have responded their personal attacks if you had been the target?
This one’s easy. How do you react to personal attacks?
DON’T
Personal attacks make the attacker look bad. Besides HTC does not cotton to personal attacks or abusiveness. They can, will, and do deal with such behavior in a professional manner. In my business I’m the one who draws the lines not my interns. Take over the top behavior to them.
Edit:Here is an example of a response that demonstrates more about the attacker’s character and intellegence than the attackee’s:
storch
Since you have a self exile on yourself from CT, please extend it to the CT forum
Your babbling does nothing but harm the arena and since you longer partake (I do miss killing you over and over), your opinion is irrelevant
I don't have to extend an opinion, speaks for itself.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
No, it was an accusation of cheating/hacking the game directed towards another player. No bearing in truth at all.
it was no such thing.
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You accused a player of altering the flight model, out of spite, after myself and HT both, have told you it cannot be done.
Armed with that, you are either calling HT and myself liars. Or you are accusing another player of hacking the game. In either case, the bulletin board is not an appropriate venue for the discusssion. If you wish to carry on about this, then email us.
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no. I believe you mis-read what I wrote. I pointedly conceded coincidence and a possibility of some malfunction in my equipment. as I learn more about computers and their somewhat idiosyncratic tendencies many things become easier for me to understand. given the level of animosity that developed between certain members of the CT community at the time it was an easy thing for me to consider though I never once mentioned it to anyone until the post you eliminated.
it was not a troll or an accusation of any sort.
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“Excuse me? I came here to buy an argument!”
eskimo
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I hear thier pretty cheap in here.
:D
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First, thank you for your response, I appreciate your willingness to talk about this calmly.
Originally posted by KONG1
In my business I have interns who work for free, they are greatly appreciated. I also have customers who come in every shape, size and disposition. My interns are instructed NEVER to engage a customer. That’s my job. If there is a complaint I ignore the form it comes in and try to determine if there is some substance to it. If there is abusiveness I deal with it calmly and decisively and never bicker. I find defensiveness abhorrent. If you are not wrong why be defensive, if you are wrong do something about it. Now to answer your questions:
An apropriate example. HTC would be in your place in this case and the CT staff are in the place of your interns. The CT staff can and does handle most problems quite well, but some that are directed at them now, should really be addressed to HTC, and Skuzzy has said as much several times. Some of the complaints that we get now are like yelling at a volunteer at a soup kitchen because your bread is stale and the soup is cold. We should all be grateful HTC even allows us to have a player run arena at all. No, I dont think the CT staff is perfect, and yes, there are some serious issues sometimes, but I do believe they do a good job for the most part. More to the point of this discussion, I think their intentions are true, they do not have the hidden agenda that some see.
First, you need to be more specific, which couple, what attitudes. Attitude is such a big word it is almost worthless. There are initial attitudes, attitudes resulting from specific treatment, attitudes resulting from other attitudes. I often receive negative reactions from people because my attitude is: if you say your gonna do it, do it. I don’t suffer fools easily and believe in personal responsibility. Some find these attitudes to be very negative others find them quite reasonable. Attitude is a very subjective thing. Discussing attitude is always fruitless better to discuss behaviors, which brings me to your next question.
Another very non-specific question and “appropriate” is a highly subjective term. I can tell you I have behaved inappropriately on occasion but believe I’m way above the curve. I believe everybody’s behavior in the game exists in a gray scale somewhere between Oldman and the guy who just got permanently booted. If I had to average all the behaviors of all my squadies according to my version of appropriate. I believe they would be significantly above average. I joined this thread discussing specific behaviors by specific people as they pertain to the game environment. If you have specific examples of bad behavior please enumerate them. If you have examples of abusive behavior or personal attacks that brings me to your next question.[/b]
I did not use specific examples, and that was intentional. You know very well who I am refering too, and you know the behavior I was refering too. I chose not to cut and paste examples because the instances I am refering to were baseless, irresponsible, and borderline delusional tirades and I will not re-air them since they should not have been posted at all originally. If you want me to, I can cut and paste responses from this BBS posted by the folks in question to represent examples of almost every one of your "unacceptable responses" list from several posts above this, but that really isnt neccessary is it? I would rather not do that if I dont have to.
This one’s easy. How do you react to personal attacks?
DON’T
Personal attacks make the attacker look bad. Besides HTC does not cotton to personal attacks or abusiveness. They can, will, and do deal with such behavior in a professional manner. In my business I’m the one who draws the lines not my interns. Take over the top behavior to them.[/b]
I agree with you 100%, and that is how I would handle it, but I have extremely thick skin, and have been dealing with customers in retail business for most of my adult life. Every day I have to give customers bad news of one sort or another that I have no control over and have to try to resolve it to their satisfaction. I can easily see someone not having that background would be more likely to respond to a personal attack in kind. That is not my style, but there should not be personal attacks for anyone to respond to in the first place, yet we see it over and over again.
I understand that some customers that come to me upset, can not be made happy no matter what I do for them. They have already made up their mind and there is no amount of good will that I can extend to them that will win them back as customers, I am sure you have seen the same thing. We have a few here that are at that point, there is nothing that the CT staff can do to make them happy, they are beyond winning back in my opinion.
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there is nothing that the CT staff can do to make them happy, they are beyond winning back in my opinion. [/B]
I agree with your opinion, but you have to question why is this thread three pages long??
You are only giving them what they truly desire.
"Ignore them and they will go" is a much better mantra, because it covers many aspects of the CT from it's problems to it's cures.
I think the wisest choice to be made by CT'ers and Staffers is who to ignore and who to not.
To this point I can't say I'm happy with the choices made.
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yep, some crave attention, even if it is negative
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Originally posted by TheBug
I agree with your opinion, but you have to question why is this thread three pages long??
You are only giving them what they truly desire.
"Ignore them and they will go" is a much better mantra, because it covers many aspects of the CT from it's problems to it's cures.
I think the wisest choice to be made by CT'ers and Staffers is who to ignore and who to not.
To this point I can't say I'm happy with the choices made.
Your right, its three pages because I responded. Most likely it would have faded away if I hadnt chimed in. Call it a flaw, but there is only so much I can take. I try to blow it off most of the time and just watch their meltdowns and chuckle. Guess I need to try harder not to let the idiots drag me down to their level to fight.
:D
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You are right Bug. I guess I dont want to give up thinking I might be able to make things right, but I should probably stop.
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Originally posted by Grits
You are right Bug. I guess I dont want to give up thinking I might be able to make things right, but I should probably stop.
Think Bug is right. Positive threads and remarks get ignored. Crap attracts crap. We've had thread after thread trying to cut down on the negative stuff. It seems to just encourage the people that like to sling it.
Reasoning , pleading, and trying to talk sense doesnt seem to work. Maybe taking away the audiance will. Ignore the ignorant ravings , and accusations.
There are still enough people that want to fly in the CT , and can manage to work around the things they don't like without all this drama. Try concentrating on the positives. Let the BS rot in empty threads.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Think Bug is right. Positive threads and remarks get ignored. Crap attracts crap. We've had thread after thread trying to cut down on the negative stuff. It seems to just encourage the people that like to sling it.
Reasoning , pleading, and trying to talk sense doesnt seem to work. Maybe taking away the audiance will. Ignore the ignorant ravings , and accusations.
There are still enough people that want to fly in the CT , and can manage to work around the things they don't like without all this drama. Try concentrating on the positives. Let the BS rot in empty threads.
Awe, man...
That kind of talk makes me go limp!
eskimo
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Go get your kicks in the O'Club:D
Use protection, its nasty in there.:(
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Awe, man...
That kind of talk makes me go limp!
eskimo
here ya go eskimo this (http://www.big-boys.com/articles/baloontrick.html) should help u
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Originally posted by Redd
Don't bring up that hoary old " it's the plane not the pilot" chestnut again. ;)
Of course it's the plane:rofl
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But I thought posts like this were always my fault :eek:
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De-railing and arguments aside, there is evidence that *something* can causing planes to stall out in one server more than another. Whether it's common or not, I don't know. Fairly rare, if I'm the only HTH host that regularly gets this problem (there was another host I don't remember, not a regular, that I encountered this problem with).
Do I think people go overboard a little with the theories? Sure! Do I think the symptoms are being glossed over by everyone else? Yes!. None of y'all is right. But don't block out something because you're biased about the source.
Keep it civil, keep it friendly, keep an open mind, and things get done.
Peace.
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Originally posted by VBF-83Hawk
But I thought posts like this were always my fault :eek:
OK, I guess it wasnt ALL your fault. :)
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Originally posted by Krusty
De-railing and arguments aside, there is evidence that *something* can causing planes to stall out in one server more than another. Whether it's common or not, I don't know. Fairly rare, if I'm the only HTH host that regularly gets this problem (there was another host I don't remember, not a regular, that I encountered this problem with).
Do I think people go overboard a little with the theories? Sure! Do I think the symptoms are being glossed over by everyone else? Yes!. None of y'all is right. But don't block out something because you're biased about the source.
Keep it civil, keep it friendly, keep an open mind, and things get done.
Peace.
I think the fuel burn was a darn good idea to check out. I know from experience and experimenting recently that even changing the order the fuel tanks feed makes a difference in handling and stalls, let alone a slower fuel burn rate.
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Originally posted by Krusty
De-railing and arguments aside, there is evidence that *something* can causing planes to stall out in one server more than another. Whether it's common or not, I don't know. Fairly rare, if I'm the only HTH host that regularly gets this problem (there was another host I don't remember, not a regular, that I encountered this problem with).
Do I think people go overboard a little with the theories? Sure! Do I think the symptoms are being glossed over by everyone else? Yes!. None of y'all is right. But don't block out something because you're biased about the source.
Keep it civil, keep it friendly, keep an open mind, and things get done.
Peace.
The one and only FM issue the CT STaff was responsible for was the stall limiter issue. Im not glossing over a thing. If there is other issues that can be PROVEN , then that needs to be taken to HTC via email or phone calls.
I wouldnt call some one who claims CT Staffers "adjust the settings" as some sort of personal attack against them overboard. Id call them out of line and a liar. I understand some of you wouldnt respond to things like that and thats fine. Thats not me. Im not going to sit here and take abuse and lies from these people. Whether its right or wrong Im not going to do it. If HTC see's it different and shows me the door, then Im fine with that. But dont attack me and think Ill take it.
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Originally posted by Slash27
The one and only FM issue the CT STaff was responsible for was the stall limiter issue. Im not glossing over a thing. If there is other issues that can be PROVEN , then that needs to be taken to HTC via email or phone calls.
[SNIP]
I'm not talking about changing the FM. I'm talking about some problem with the compatibility of a computer trying to run that FM. I said I know for a fact it's not a server setting/variable (as I have searched repeatedly for one, there are limited variables). I've been saying that there is a problem with how an individual copy of AH *runs* the FM it's got in its code.
This, as I have said, I have experienced repeatedly. Others have experienced it in my HTH room as well (Kilme, Raptor, to name a couple) and I have experienced (rarely) in other HTH rooms.
That's not to be snubbed. You accept HT's word that there are no variables (as do I). And yet when I make a similar claim and back up with examples, names, specific descriptions, ideas of what I think might be the problem, am I any less credible? To me, it *is* a proven fact that some times you stall out uncontrollably in level flight, as I have experienced it and others have complained to me about my HTH room. It's not fuel-burn related. It's computer-related, methinks. I don't have all the details.
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I understand what you're saying and respect your approach
:aok
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So did anyone other than me play with the fuel settings for burn rate all weekend long to find any sort of correlation or did all that happen in here was someone bashing someone else? Geez lets move along.
The results I have are that it pretty much doesn't matter what the burn rate is. I am more inclined to believe Krusty now than anything. Can I prove it? Nope but I am sure going to try over the next few weeks.
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I'm getting turned on again!
eskimo
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in order to please eskimo let's open this can again.
in the FW190s and in the A6Ms on certain maps any control imput at any speed causes the right wing to dip and the plane to break in a harsh stall to the right. it happens in no other arena, only the CT. flame away.
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Originally posted by storch
in the FW190s and in the A6Ms on certain maps any control imput at any speed causes the right wing to dip and the plane to break in a harsh stall to the right. it happens in no other arena, only the CT. flame away.
Why not tell us the exact maps and areas where this has happened to you so we can test it for ourselves the next time the map comes into rotation?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by storch
in order to please eskimo let's open this can again.
in the FW190s and in the A6Ms on certain maps any control imput at any speed causes the right wing to dip and the plane to break in a harsh stall to the right. it happens in no other arena, only the CT. flame away.
Storch
If this was happening to me I would be looking at my stick setup, and or spiking pots. It has to be a problem specific to your computer/set-up , and it's not going to be normal computer hardware / operating system related. The only possibility I can think of is something specific to your flight control hardware. A spiking rudder pot or spiking joystick pot perhaps could cause those symptoms.
It just doesn't make any sense that it would be coad-related within the game , it's too intermittent , it's not connection/internet related, which basically leaves hardware , and the only hardware issue that could cause that sort of thing is the controller.
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Originally posted by Redd
Storch
If this was happening to me I would be looking at my stick setup, and or spiking pots. It has to be a problem specific to your computer/set-up , and it's not going to be normal computer hardware / operating system related. The only possibility I can think of is something specific to your flight control hardware. A spiking rudder pot or spiking joystick pot perhaps could cause those symptoms.
It just doesn't make any sense that it would be coad-related within the game , it's too intermittent , it's not connection/internet related, which basically leaves hardware , and the only hardware issue that could cause that sort of thing is the controller.
fair enough, but how come never in another arena? If I ever decide to return to the CT I'll open up my brand new still in the box never been used back up X45 to eliminate the joystick possibilty.
among other things I work on access control systems and the most vexxing problems are intermittent ones, sometimes you just never can solve them.
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Originally posted by storch
in order to please eskimo let's open this can again.
in the FW190s and in the A6Ms on certain maps any control imput at any speed causes the right wing to dip and the plane to break in a harsh stall to the right. it happens in no other arena, only the CT. flame away.
do you drink heavier while flying with some map / plane combos than others?
just trying to bring to light, all the possible causes :)
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Originally posted by storch
in order to please eskimo let's open this can again.
in the FW190s and in the A6Ms on certain maps any control imput at any speed causes the right wing to dip and the plane to break in a harsh stall to the right. it happens in no other arena, only the CT. flame away.
Check also if you're not too tired.
Each time I've this kind of trouble it's because I was overcontroling and I had more red than white in my eyes :D
(doesn't prevent me to fly I'm too dweeb to stop :p)
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Originally posted by Eagler
do you drink heavier while flying with some map / plane combos than others?
just trying to bring to light, all the possible causes :)
Try some meds from you family doctor. They make the FMs do wierd things!
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Heh heh heh heh heh heh
Some things .....
Found me one helluva pub.
There I found one helluva redhead.
She found me too. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Heh heh heh heh heh heh
Some things .....
Found me one helluva pub.
There I found one helluva redhead.
She found me too. :D
good for you!!!
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Originally posted by straffo
Check also if you're not too tired.
Each time I've this kind of trouble it's because I was overcontroling and I had more red than white in my eyes :D
(doesn't prevent me to fly I'm too dweeb to stop :p)
heh! sometimes but if I'm tired I log!! have you been in the CT much?
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The only time I've ever experienced anything like what has been mentioned is when I didn't recover correctly from a stall. Or rather, when I thought I had, but I hadn't actually recovered yet. It has happened a few times, usually when I hadn't been playing a while...
I'd push the envelope a little to far, and my 190 would get really jittery, and the right wing would drop (i.e accelerated stall). So, I'd counteract the drop with a little rudder, push the nose down, and consider myself "recovered". Only problem was, even though it was stable, the next move I made of any kind would make the LEFT wing drop... it was wierd. I would go back and forth dropping the wings alternately. I never do manage to recover when that happens, I always plow into the ground.
I couldn't tell you exactly how it happens, I only ever got it in the 190 and 109. But then, I flew those two planes for the vast majority of my AH career, and I pushed them harder than I pushed any other plane.
I don't know what causes it, I don't know if it is even close to what other people have experienced... for me I think it was just an issue of being to hamhanded while trying to horse a plane that wasn't really designed for slow-speed knife-fighting into one.
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Arlo will you never learn? Women are bad... say it with me. "women are bad... dogs are good".
And Storch have you bought a new computer yet... password protect it and give your old system to your son.
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Originally posted by Urchin
The only time I've ever experienced anything like what has been mentioned is when I didn't recover correctly from a stall. Or rather, when I thought I had, but I hadn't actually recovered yet. It has happened a few times, usually when I hadn't been playing a while...
I'd push the envelope a little to far, and my 190 would get really jittery, and the right wing would drop (i.e accelerated stall). So, I'd counteract the drop with a little rudder, push the nose down, and consider myself "recovered". Only problem was, even though it was stable, the next move I made of any kind would make the LEFT wing drop... it was wierd. I would go back and forth dropping the wings alternately. I never do manage to recover when that happens, I always plow into the ground.
I couldn't tell you exactly how it happens, I only ever got it in the 190 and 109. But then, I flew those two planes for the vast majority of my AH career, and I pushed them harder than I pushed any other plane.
I don't know what causes it, I don't know if it is even close to what other people have experienced... for me I think it was just an issue of being to hamhanded while trying to horse a plane that wasn't really designed for slow-speed knife-fighting into one.
That happens to me all the time in the DA and MA. Spits and KI84. Get them slow with the nose pointing down, pull the stick back at the wrong time, and then go all the way to the grownd staling left and right. I think I recovered a couple of times from it by killing the engine.
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Originally posted by VWE
Arlo will you never learn? Women are bad... say it with me. "women are bad... dogs are good".
And Storch have you bought a new computer yet... password protect it and give your old system to your son.
not all women are bad. mine has been better than I deserve. while she wasn't found in a bar who are we to judge where one finds companionship. personally I preferred the supermarket for my past hunting exploits. I'll probably break down and buy something this week. and yes I'll give it bugs and all to my proliferately downloading son to deal with. knowing his abilities it may be humming perfectly the day after I give it to him.
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Ok ... technically I met her at a wedding then at the pub. And again at the pub. Oh ... then at a baseball game ... then at the pub. Then at a rock concert. Then at the pub again. Then at the lake. And then at the pub again.
Ok ... there's kind of a pattern but ... good thing is there's alot to do in the metroplex.
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Originally posted by storch
heh! sometimes but if I'm tired I log!! have you been in the CT much?
I've not been the CT since a loooooonnng time but I have often the symptom you describe on Friday.
I'm sure a daily stat will reveal an increase of my incompetence at the end of the work week.
I rememeber a friday when I was almost stalling in a goon when turning ... to bad it ended in a mountain I didn't see :D
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So when do you get to go to her place... then back to your place... then to Whitecastle... then back to your place... then to the pub... then back to your place... then to her place?
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Originally posted by storch
in order to please eskimo let's open this can again.
in the FW190s and in the A6Ms on certain maps any control imput at any speed causes the right wing to dip and the plane to break in a harsh stall to the right. it happens in no other arena, only the CT. flame away.
Next time the map comes up, film it!
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Originally posted by VWE
So when do you get to go to her place... then back to your place... then to Whitecastle... then back to your place... then to the pub... then back to your place... then to her place?
Well ... I've been to my place more than her place but to say more isn't my place.
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Originally posted by VWE
Arlo will you never learn? Women are bad... say it with me. "women are bad... dogs are good".
ARLO!!! Did you not learn your lesson?!?
VWE is 100% correct, get a dog.
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She comes with a dog. Well that certainly needs rephrasing.
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Originally posted by Arlo
She comes with a dog. Well that certainly needs rephrasing.
:lol
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Originally posted by Arlo
She comes with a dog. Well that certainly needs rephrasing.
Be thankful it's not a cat.....
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Next time the map comes up, film it!
I had a film of it. In AH1 (back when I couldn't fly the 109F/G2 at all because of this problem). It literally showed me flopping all over in non-stall conditions. Nothing I could do. I was disgusted with the film. Had no fun. Got killed because I was trying to level out. So I deleted it.
It can be filmed, at least that's something.
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Fighter town in the CT was a bad idea imo. That's not what the CT is for, that's what the DA is for. Remember the CT is for air to ground also.
The best setups in CT are axis vs allies, with a balanced plane set. For example, 109e vs spitmkI, mc202 vs p40e, p40b vs a6m, la5 vs 109g2, p47d11 vs 190a5. You get the idea.