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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: hitech on September 04, 2020, 02:22:23 PM
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In this video
https://youtu.be/HlC-KSVRMn0?t=8502
Is a different air force one?
Anyone know anything about it?
HiTech
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trump pushed to have it painted a different color scheme.
semp
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Yeah that is a different AF1. I remember in 08 there was to be a new fleet of Helis for the president which was canceled. I am surprised, I know that the VP uses a twin engined one I wonder if they are retiring the VC-25s then.
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I'd be curious as to why they took the C-32 over the VC-25.
C-32 (757) is typically the VP plane.
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In this video
https://youtu.be/HlC-KSVRMn0?t=8502
Is a different air force one?
Anyone know anything about it?
HiTech
That is Air Force Two.
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That is Air Force Two.
If it is carrying the VP it is. ;)
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Good point. It's the other Air Force One.
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I recon its probably much cheaper and easier than the 747 flying that close from DC.
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:confused:
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In this video
https://youtu.be/HlC-KSVRMn0?t=8502
Is a different air force one?
Anyone know anything about it?
HiTech
Any aircraft the President flys on is designated Air Force One (or Marine One on a helo).
KLBE runway is 8,200 feet in length. Probably too short for safe 747 operation.
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:confused:
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Any aircraft the President flys on is designated Air Force One.
KLBE runway is 8,200 feet in length. Probably too short for safe 747 operation.
This makes sense.
HiTech
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"Right Side Broadcasting Network" :uhoh
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"Right Side Broadcasting Network" :uhoh
A grassroots network that runs on donations which has built itself up over the last 4 years on Youtube. They dont take money from rich foreign corruptocrats trying to influence Americans like the MSM does.
Their ratings are soring, I saw 55K watching live last night.
Alternative media is crushing ratings compared to MSM. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why.
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A grassroots network that runs on donations which has built itself up over the last 4 years on Youtube. They dont take money from rich foreign corruptocrats trying to influence Americans like the MSM does.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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A grassroots network that runs on donations which has built itself up over the last 4 years on Youtube. They dont take money from rich foreign corruptocrats trying to influence Americans like the MSM does.
Their ratings are soring, I saw 55K watching live last night.
Alternative media is crushing ratings compared to MSM. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why.
Biased news = bad news.
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Biased news = bad news.
All they do is follow rallies and speeches from the conservative side.
You should watch some of them. Might give you a better insite than the biased MSM media who claim they arent.
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All they do is follow rallies and speeches from the conservative side.
You should watch some of them. Might give you a better insite than the biased MSM media who claim they arent.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Didn’t take long for this to go off the rails. :bolt:
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Didn’t take long for this to go off the rails. :bolt:
Heh, well the OP started with a 4 hour Trump rally video link.
Where did you think this was going to go?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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The OP owns the forum. :old:
As such, perhaps we should consider that this was not of political intent and merely curiosity about:
http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/special/AF1/
:salute :salute :salute :salute :salute
(Although I'm sure everyone is equally being watched.)
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just confused if any new news org becomes the most watched, won't it become msm?
semp
never mind just looked it up, it becomes Methylsulfonylmethane
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As such, perhaps we should consider that this was not of political intent
Oh, I'm sure it wasn't intended that way.
Just awkward and a little nose-blind.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Any aircraft the President flys on is designated Air Force One (or Marine One on a helo).
KLBE runway is 8,200 feet in length. Probably too short for safe 747 operation.
I would have no idea what minimums the Air Force would apply to the 747 when the "Boss" is aboard but 8200 feet is plenty for a 747 inbound or outbound on a flight that short.
It may be an arbitrary minimum but I suggest the cost might be a factor.
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Heh, well the OP started with a 4 hour Trump rally video link.
Where did you think this was going to go?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Yeah, well the discussion started out and continued talking about AF One. That’s where I thought it was going.
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I would have no idea what minimums the Air Force would apply to the 747 when the "Boss" is aboard but 8200 feet is plenty for a 747 inbound or outbound on a flight that short.
It may be an arbitrary minimum but I suggest the cost might be a factor.
Since when had the administration cared about cost to do anything?
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Since when had the administration cared about cost to do anything?
:bolt:
They'll just get Mexico to pay for it.
:rofl :bolt:
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Quoting a modern day philosopher:
"In different circles
We keep holding our ground
Indifferent circles
We keep spinning round and round and round"
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It occasionally performs touch and go's at CKB/KCKB. I've snapped a few pictures while at work. I'm guessing they are pilots in training. My pic:
(https://i.postimg.cc/hv0m5wwt/CC7-F24-AF-8198-4-CF6-92-A6-B4448-AC636-C9.jpg)
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It occasionally performs touch and go's at CKB/KCKB. I've snapped a few pictures while at work. I'm guessing they are pilots in training. My pic:
(https://i.postimg.cc/hv0m5wwt/CC7-F24-AF-8198-4-CF6-92-A6-B4448-AC636-C9.jpg)
Well that proves there's no shortage of money. Damn site cheaper to do that in a simulator.
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Has anyone mentioned that "Air Force One" is any aircraft the President is on?
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Has anyone mentioned that "Air Force One" is any aircraft the President is on?
Any U.S. military aircraft .... but yes.
Marine helos are 'Marine One.'
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Has anyone mentioned that "Air Force One" is any aircraft the President is on?
Yep, earlier in the thread.
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Biased news = bad news.
All news today is biased.
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Has anyone mentioned that "Air Force One" is any aircraft the President is on?
I think it would have to be an Air Force aircraft.
It may not be technically correct, Air Force One being the controller call sign not the aircraft, but it's pretty normal usage to refer to the Presidential 747 aircraft as Air Force One.
The Marine aircraft, usually a helicopter, is Marine One.
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A quick search brought up this page:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/air-force-one/
The planes usually used for the president are two highly modified 747-200B aircraft. But any air force plane with the president on it is considered Air Force One for the duration of the ride. So, yeah. This must have been a special case.
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Heh, well the OP started with a 4 hour Trump rally video link.
Where did you think this was going to go?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Political troll. Unless trolling requires intent and subjective interpretation is insufficient cause regardless of response.
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Another search shows the runway at Arnold Palmer Regional Airport in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, to 8,222 feet long. This is considered a little short for a fully loaded 747.
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Heh, well the OP started with a 4 hour Trump rally video link.
Where did you think this was going to go?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
It’s good to be the King
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That is the CB-747 model.
Cardboard One. When the President wants to participate in soap box derbies.
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Yep, earlier in the thread.
I scan too fast,.. :o
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Another search shows the runway at Arnold Palmer Regional Airport in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, to 8,222 feet long. This is considered a little short for a fully loaded 747.
This is almost always the reason for no 747 Presidential trips.
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Another search shows the runway at Arnold Palmer Regional Airport in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, to 8,222 feet long. This is considered a little short for a fully loaded 747.
Andrews Airforce base to KLBE is around 170 miles. Thats a 35-40 minute flight. There is no reason to take off at Max takeoff weight or carry an excessive amount of fuel for such a short trip. If they are using the 757 (C-32) It is more than likely the Runway or the ramp was weight limited.
I am sure many of you have looked up Princess Julianna airport SXM/ TNCM in St Martin or maybe Maho beach on Youtube?
That runway is only 7,500ft long and KLM, British Airways, Air France, Virgin and many more flew 747s out of there loaded to the gills with passengers to Europe all the time, I think I read at one time, on the high end of the charts they were taking off at something like 80-84% max weight, hot, and humid.
I think the 747 is still the fastest of the Commercial Passenger Airplanes - but alas as all good things must - her time is coming to an end.
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I wonder why we got a video opposed to a picture.
Or say a video of a similar event say 6 years ago got posted, I wonder how that would :airplane:
:bolt:
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HT is the owner and moderator of this board. He does have an active policy of muting and banning members for political posting (permanently or temporarily). He allows for some leeway but when he's had enough he acts. I don't believe he would break his own rules to play politics.
But if anyone wishes to avoid the long campaign video, here you go:
(https://i.imgur.com/LkJTvsw.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/lfEIEKY.png)
(It's probably best to let politics go in this thread.)
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I find it funny that hitech was merely asking a question in regards to the aircraft being an alternate Air Force One, and it almost immediately turned into a political fluster cluck.
In a way, he's found some fish he can hang for a week or two. :devil
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this is why we cant have nice things.
i like planes.
:salute
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I find it funny that hitech was merely asking a question in regards to the aircraft being an alternate Air Force One, and it almost immediately turned into a political fluster cluck.
In a way, he's found some fish he can hang for a week or two. :devil
That was my INterpretation also.
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Question asked. Question answered. Motivation and method be damned. Zip it.
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just confused if any new news org becomes the most watched, won't it become msm?
semp
never mind just looked it up, it becomes Methylsulfonylmethane
It becomes a daily dietary supplement :rofl
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That was my INterpretation also.
Puma, this thread is likely locked before we can discuss this more but I had some thoughts about the 89th Airlift Wing.
You obviously preferred the "go fast" division of the Air Force. Maybe you could enlighten us all as to whether you ever thought about the "heavy" side of the Force and indeed, do pilots ever move between the divisions once their initial training is complete.
Also, would you have any idea how often the pilots in the Airlift section get to fly and how many hours a month or a year they might possibly log? I am sure you know where I am going with this. When you joined the airline, I imagine you began logging hours at the 80 per month rate. That was likely supplemented with at least four 4-hour simulator sessions a year? Plus possibly 4 days of re-current groundschool? All that assures a very current and well trained pilot group on each type.
The obvious question.... the VC25 (B747) doesn't fly daily. How does the assigned pilot group stay current? And I hope they are only assigned one type at a time?
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Great question.
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Puma, this thread is likely locked before we can discuss this more but I had some thoughts about the 89th Airlift Wing.
You obviously preferred the "go fast" division of the Air Force. Maybe you could enlighten us all as to whether you ever thought about the "heavy" side of the Force and indeed, do pilots ever move between the divisions once their initial training is complete.
Also, would you have any idea how often the pilots in the Airlift section get to fly and how many hours a month or a year they might possibly log? I am sure you know where I am going with this. When you joined the airline, I imagine you began logging hours at the 80 per month rate. That was likely supplemented with at least four 4-hour simulator sessions a year? Plus possibly 4 days of re-current groundschool? All that assures a very current and well trained pilot group on each type.
The obvious question.... the VC25 (B747) doesn't fly daily. How does the assigned pilot group stay current? And I hope they are only assigned one type at a time?
Moving between fighters and heavies was and probably still is near impossible. I met a guy in the Six days who started out as a KCM-135 pilot at Griffins AFB. To this day I don’t know how he did it but, he wrangled a cross command transfer (SAC to ADC) to the F-106 squadron on base as a T-33 pilot. His story gets even more bizarre. He was flying a TBird from Griffiss to Loring AFB with a Flight Surgeon in his pit, carrying a part for a broken F-106 at Loring. During cruise, the TBird engine exploded and they both ejected with no injuries. The accident investigation determined that the engine experienced a materiel failure. No pilot fault.
Time marches on and he’s selected for upgrade to the F-106, goes to school, returns, and starts sitting alert. On a flight to Loring to sit alert, he experiences a massive engine failure, ejects successfully, and you guessed it; materiel failure. No pilot fault.
Time continues to march on, the F-106s are starting to phase out and be replaced with F-15s. He wrangles an assignment to Alaska. One day flying his Eagle to somewhere, his jet has a catastrophic engine failure. It was so bad that it also killed the good engine. He ejects successfully. Again, it’s ruled a materiel failure. No pilot fault, again!
It’s very rare for a military pilot to eject from one aircraft during a career, let alone three. The joke was that if he ejected two more times, he’d be the first peacetime ace.
No, I never considered crossing over to heavies. Way too much fun flying fighters.
To your question about the Andrews crews. I’m pretty sure they only fly one Type aircraft, similar to the airlines, due to the complex nature of the jets. I’m not sure how they maintain currency. Maybe simulators? AF One seems to spend a lot of time on the road. So, they may be in relatively good shape for currency. A great question though.
The 80-100 hours a month in the airlines builds time more rapidly than the 12-15 hours a month I averaged in fast movers. In my first assignment as a T-33 driver I averaged 40-50 hours a month and could easily push that to 60+ by going on weekend cross countries.
The 89th is definitely a unique flying unit. It would be most interesting to talk with someone who has flown there.
Hope I answered your questions. :salute
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Equally good answer. :old: :)
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thanks so much Puma. I am aware that all fighter pilots get a "handle" and I am guessing yours might have been "Puma"? And logically the gent with all the engine failures must have been "Jinx"?
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thanks so much Puma. I am aware that all fighter pilots get a "handle" and I am guessing yours might have been "Puma"? And logically the gent with all the engine failures must have been "Jinx"?
Puma 44 is my first dedicated operational callsign. Those in fighter squadrons have a “Tactical” callsign typically based on something embarrassing, humiliating, or some other gee wizz occurance. Sometimes, just a teaser based on the pilot’s name. Tactical callsigns are used in place of first or last names in a tactical environment for security purposes.
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This thread has become an interview with the author of a upcoming book .
Must read material..... :aok
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Moving between fighters and heavies was and probably still is near impossible. I met a guy in the Six days who started out as a KCM-135 pilot at Griffins AFB. To this day I don’t know how he did it but, he wrangled a cross command transfer (SAC to ADC) to the F-106 squadron on base as a T-33 pilot. His story gets even more bizarre. He was flying a TBird from Griffiss to Loring AFB with a Flight Surgeon in his pit, carrying a part for a broken F-106 at Loring. During cruise, the TBird engine exploded and they both ejected with no injuries. The accident investigation determined that the engine experienced a materiel failure. No pilot fault.
Time marches on and he’s selected for upgrade to the F-106, goes to school, returns, and starts sitting alert. On a flight to Loring to sit alert, he experiences a massive engine failure, ejects successfully, and you guessed it; materiel failure. No pilot fault.
Time continues to march on, the F-106s are starting to phase out and be replaced with F-15s. He wrangles an assignment to Alaska. One day flying his Eagle to somewhere, his jet has a catastrophic engine failure. It was so bad that it also killed the good engine. He ejects successfully. Again, it’s ruled a materiel failure. No pilot fault, again!
It’s very rare for a military pilot to eject from one aircraft during a career, let alone three. The joke was that if he ejected two more times, he’d be the first peacetime ace.
No, I never considered crossing over to heavies. Way too much fun flying fighters.
To your question about the Andrews crews. I’m pretty sure they only fly one Type aircraft, similar to the airlines, due to the complex nature of the jets. I’m not sure how they maintain currency. Maybe simulators? AF One seems to spend a lot of time on the road. So, they may be in relatively good shape for currency. A great question though.
The 80-100 hours a month in the airlines builds time more rapidly than the 12-15 hours a month I averaged in fast movers. In my first assignment as a T-33 driver I averaged 40-50 hours a month and could easily push that to 60+ by going on weekend cross countries.
The 89th is definitely a unique flying unit. It would be most interesting to talk with someone who has flown there.
Hope I answered your questions. :salute
Cool story Puma - I live on Griffiss, or what used to be.
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Cool story Puma - I live on Griffiss, or what used to be.
Spikes, what’s happening there now? What kind of use?
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Spikes, what’s happening there now? What kind of use?
From what I've read, much like Reese, it went through a base closure and has been, by and large, repurposed by the community as a corporate and technology center. Spikes could give more detail, as a resident. :salute
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Spikes, what’s happening there now? What kind of use?
Not much, it is technically Griffiss Int'l after they moved Oneida County Airport to it. For years there was a big aircraft maintenance company so had a lot of planes from Eurasia but that went out of business. Since the airspace is quiet we get a lot of C5s, C17s, and C130s in for touch and go's and it is also a UAS test site. It being the longest runway in the Northeast I assume helps with getting the big boys in for training.
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Oh, I'm sure it wasn't intended that way.
Just awkward and a little nose-blind.
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there was zero political intent hell the only reason I watched it is because the title picture showed air Force one not being a 747.
HiTech
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there was zero political intent hell the only reason I watched it is because the title picture showed air Force one not being a 747.
HiTech
Yeah, I get it. As I stated.
Regardless of "intent" though, I think anyone else posting a link to a 4 hour long political rally would have had the post deleted pretty quick. That was the funny part. ;)
Otherwise we got a great loop hole. Post a video of what ever QAnon crap you want and then say innocently, "But I was only posting this because I'm interested in the unusual lamp there in the background. Isn't that an unusual lamp?" :lol
Like me telling my ex-girlfriend that "I only have a Playboy subscription because they have such great articles."
Uhhh huh. (They actually did. ;))
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The ones back from 70's or so actually did have good articles
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The ones back from 70's or so actually did have good articles
I liked their haikus
36 24 36
Fed my unrealistic expectations
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The ones back from 70's or so actually did have good articles
They were making enough money back then to pay really top quality writers.
Then free internet porn arrived. ;)
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Then free internet porn arrived. ;)
Nothing is free.
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HT is the owner and moderator of this board. He does have an active policy of muting and banning members for political posting (permanently or temporarily). He allows for some leeway but when he's had enough he acts. I don't believe he would break his own rules to play politics.
But if anyone wishes to avoid the long campaign video, here you go:
(It's probably best to let politics go in this thread.)
Well said. :aok
Yeah, I get it. As I stated.
Regardless of "intent" though, I think anyone else posting a link to a 4 hour long political rally would have had the post deleted pretty quick. That was the funny part. ;)
Otherwise we got a great loop hole. Post a video of what ever QAnon crap you want and then say innocently, "But I was only posting this because I'm interested in the unusual lamp there in the background. Isn't that an unusual lamp?" :lol
Like me telling my ex-girlfriend that "I only have a Playboy subscription because they have such great articles."
Uhhh huh. (They actually did. ;))
(https://i.imgur.com/r16U7hP.png?1)
Coogan
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<sound like wet fart....>
Hey, I dropped it with a chuckle. He brought it back up, so I clarified for him.
Perhaps you should lighten up.
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Yeah God forbid a speech by the President of the United States doesn't get posted by something other than CNN and their moronic and ignoramus interpretation of it.
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Yeah God forbid a speech by the President of the United States doesn't get posted by something other than CNN and their moronic and ignoramus interpretation of it.
^Political, right there. :old: