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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: +Kilroy+ on November 02, 2017, 06:10:55 AM
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I am offering an argument to end or modify the imposition of ENY. As a game leveling, balancing factor of fairness, it fails. The game appears to be in a rut with the Rook nation largely absent. Numbers cycle from about 150 when all countries are populated relatively evenly, to about 25-30, with the Rook nation at times unrepresented. So, when it is 7 vs 11, the 11 member nation must struggle to make advances with early war planes against perk planes while the Rooks sit in tower. Have you ever tried to capture a field with FM2's against just a few La-7's/Spit 16's? The old days of the hoard covering each other's six are temporarily suspended at best, getting 10 people in on a mission is a real feat in the Steam age. None of them seem too impressed with ENY, either, btw.
When the map is new, or balanced, the Rooks seem to attend more. They certainly do not seem to log on and express, "goody, the have stinky eny let's nail them." It is more like, "bummer, the map sucks again, I'm playing Minecraft" and they leave and ENY soars.
No one really cares who won the last map, in internet terms, it no longer exists. If removing ENY to allow these stale maps to end and refresh causes a slew of victories for the populated country, I think what people will notice is, "ah, new map, a new chance to nail them," as so often inevitably happens anyway. It will increase attendance.
ENY is why we have maps with 60% fields belonging to the home country -- that do not end for days. This stuff is incredibly obvious and I should be enjoying my subscription, not managing the nature of it, so you are welcome for the heads up. Please consider the message, accept it's validity and make appropriate adjustments.
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Since the introduction of ENY limiter the number of complaints about uneven numbers went down and are practically extinct. It was not like that in the past. ENY whines have replaced the population unbalance whines.
The issue with ENY is specific to the case of very low numbers that happen during east Asia/Australia evening (lack of players from that time zone). Indeed the situation can probably be improved. However, if you often suffer from ENY restrictions that bother you, it means that you should consider switching chess piece.
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Yes
Fly the Yak9T
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The Op consistently flies for the Bishops, who almost always outnumber both other sides combined, yet he still WHINES like a little BIT*H about ENY. How typical for him and his squad.
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I was dedicated to one side for a long time but it got stale. So now when I log in I join the lowest # side. Lately it has been the knits who I think have historically has been the lowest # side most often. :joystick:
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As a Rook, I flew the KI-61 almost exclusively the last few months, and fly the 109-G6 quite a bit as well. This against Pony's, MJugs, U4's, LA7s, Spixteens and the whole lot and do quite well.
So, to say that ENY is killing the game, I would say is laughable. I've haven't had any issues with me not being able to fly the plane I want in years. Perhaps you should get out of your comfort zone? :headscratch:
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Okay we need to settle on what is killing AH.
is it-eny.
is it- lack of players.
is it-M3 resupply.
is it-maps are too big.
is it-maps are too small.
is it-the manned guns on the airfields.
is it-age of maps-type of maps.
is it-the amount of trees on the maps.
is it-is it the inability to see parked shut down gv's from over 600 ft/yrds whatever it is.
is it-1 country more players on the the other 2 countries-even out numbering 2 countries together.
is it-the European players have a harder time to log on to enough players to play in their prime time.
there are many more stats to post here. but I want to go play..
SO we really want to know what is killing AH3. it damn sure isn't eny,
I as usual disagree on what is killing AH3.
unless I'm missing something. I think AH3 is in a player slump.
people said back in the last year of AH2 that AH2 was dying.
back in AH2 people were moaning and groaning about lack of map changes or upgrades.
so finally HiTech and company bust their butts to give us a new upgraded game. and yes they lost customers, I don't know how many. but I see returning players here and there.
and again we moan and groan<--nicest words) too many trees-tree limbs grab you-prob fixed.
spawns too far/too close-strats too far/too close.
changes to maps that HAD really fun Tank towns because THE MAP BUILDER didn't like the TT's that way, a map Builder that as far as I know doesn't even play this wonderful game-as far as I know. "HTC's CUSTOMERS" liked it. but didn't matter to the map builder.
got off topic-everybody has a opinion on what is killing AH3.
there is nO proof that AH3 is dying, and until HiTech says it is I won't believe it is.
P.S. I know HiTech has been punching the keyboard putting out ads and joining Steam-which a few people are coming by to check it out.
but you also have to think or remember that there was a bunch of steam players at 1st-they now know this game is here in which before they didn't. and I'm sure there are thousands or millions that haven't seen this game yet. :salute :rock and sayonara
ENY IS NOT KILLING THE GAME
OH AND BY THE WAY THIS TOPIC LIKE MANY OTHERS HAVE BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH.
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people said back in the last year of AH2 that AH2 was dying.
And they were right. AH2 is dead and gone :old:
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This does solve most problems. Especially on ndisles map. :aok
Also, agree on country hopping. I've met a lot of super nice people from just changing countries.
I don't agree that ENY is killing AH.
Fly the Yak9T
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ENY is killing the game when i cant up 163 to kill strat raiders! :rolleyes: :D :neener:
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ENY is killing the game when i cant up 163 to kill strat raiders! :rolleyes: :D :neener:
This is actually the only time ENY has ever really affected me :old:
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Patient: Doctor, my head hurts when I hit it with a hammer.
Doctor: You're stupid.
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The same players that complain that perks are too hard to get are the same guys complaining they can't fly uber-rides all the time. It's kind of silly when you think about it.
:old:
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Pigs on the Wing tried to even out the numbers....maybe it's time one of you Bish squads to do your part for the community....
Oh and I like how bish are the LOUDEST on 200 about fighting against a horde(Looking at Anti Horde) when they literally have people posting they always have the numbers :rofl :rofl :rofl
:ahand
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ENY is awesome.
Variety is the spice of life. Embrace it. Cant take your beloved easy mode La7? Try the La5 or any of the "lesser" 109's. Cant take your beloved P51D? Try a "lesser" P47 or F4U or even a P38! **gasp**
C'mon folks, stop being such wussies.
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Pigs on the Wing tried to even out the numbers....maybe it's time one of you Bish squads to do your part for the community....
Oh and I like how bish are the LOUDEST on 200 about fighting against a horde(Looking at Anti Horde) when they literally have people posting they always have the numbers :rofl :rofl :rofl
:ahand
^^^this^^^
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Um is this is the same guy that will hide in a bush for an hour to avoid being killed complaining about not finding a fight? :headscratch:
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P47D11 people. To know it is to love it.
I've seen some of you flying it already. In P47 squads and outside of them, you always get my respect. :salute :cheers:
Also, ENY isn't killing the game. However, your comfort zone might be killing it for you. (addressed to anyone it applies to)
Try a "lesser" P47
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D11 is a fun ride -- I just need to get better at aiming the 50's. I'm so used to nose mounted guns, I find spraying out all that lead to be difficult. Great flaps, decent roll, amazing dive, and decent E retention if you don't get all heavy handed with the stick. Plus the razorback is sexy as hell! :cheers:
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D11 is a fun ride -- I just need to get better at aiming the 50's. I'm so used to nose mounted guns, I find spraying out all that lead to be difficult. Great flaps, decent roll, amazing dive, and decent E retention if you don't get all heavy handed with the stick. Plus the razorback is sexy as hell! :cheers:
One thing that I find helps is if you're setting up a crossing shot, put your wings parallel to his flight path so he flies through both banks' stream of fire.
Wiley.
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Here we go again... squeak'in about ENY
I don't much care for ENY but if HTC deems it necessary...
oh well !
I really don't understand why 3 countries are needed as well when,
imho 2 do as well and I think eliminate the need for ENY
But then I've had 2 strokes so my brain doesn't work as well as it
did :frown:
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Patient: Doctor, my head hurts when I hit it with a hammer.
Doctor: You're stupid.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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The cure for ENY trouble:
(https://s6.postimg.org/pgehkkr01/Jg_1_G-2_preview.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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Sounds like my conversation with my doctor.
Doc: so how did you loose 20lbs after I last saw you.
Me: stopped eating foods that make me fat.
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The cure for ENY trouble:
(https://s6.postimg.org/pgehkkr01/Jg_1_G-2_preview.png) (https://postimages.org/)
It's beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaa auuuuuuuuuuuuutifuuuuuuuuuuuu lllll!!!!!
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These 3 or 4 replies cover just about every opinion expressed. I'd expected a little more maturity and intelligence beyond the few that have demonstrated it. So many have expressed their opinion in "my country vs. your country" terms, effing a get off it people, the game is almost dead. Cling to your virtual nationalism like some Neanderthal Atlantean and see where that gets you. A country of 17 is not what AH was designed for, nor was ENY designed for so few numbers.
Since the introduction of ENY limiter the number of complaints about uneven numbers went down and are practically extinct.
Many things have changed since the introduction of ENY and now face extinction. Your opinion is to not fix something that is broken, nor can you tell the new Steam players that join and leave to just change countries because by then it's already too late.
The Op consistently flies for the Bishops, who almost always outnumber both other sides combined, yet he still WHINES like a little BIT*H about ENY. How typical for him and his squad.
This is far more emotional than helpful, guessing you might be someone I kill all the time, meh.
So, to say that ENY is killing the game, I would say is laughable. I've haven't had any issues with me not being able to fly the plane I want in years. Perhaps you should get out of your comfort zone?
You can whatever you want, I don't think it is required to be on topic. The thread was not about whether you - or I, for that matter, can fly a plane we want. You have no idea of my comfort zone and lack the discretion to withhold your ignorance. How do you think ENY is helping increase the AH population base.
there is nO proof that AH3 is dying, and until HiTech says it is I won't believe it is.
There used to be 2 200 player arena's and we used to have to wait to get in.
There used to be a thing called "Titanic Tuesday's." There is your proof.
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Cling to your virtual nationalism like some Neanderthal Atlantean and see where that gets you.
Based on that, the solution to your problem is simple. Switch sides to the low numbers.
Wiley.
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Based on that, the solution to your problem is simple. Switch sides to the low numbers.
Wiley.
Or fly another plane... :rofl :bolt:
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That doesn't bother me a bit, Kilroy. Never has. I die a lot, I kill my share. I fly Hurricane 1s, I fly the 110 and stall fight it. I cannot understand why someone who is a member of a horde squad, on the side that regularly outnumbers both other sides put together can complain that his planeset is limited.
You are saying I want to club baby seals with impunity and I don't care what that does to the game. you're saying "I want the most players, the best rides, and hell,spot me 20 kills, too!".
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Kilroy, you may not have noticed this before, but this is a discussion board. If folks don't agree with you they will express those contrary opinions. It does not mean they don't like you, there is a difference of opinion. In the future if you wish to express your ideas just to HiTech and do not wish to discuss it with other players, you might just want to try a simple PM to HiTech.
There is one fact that cannot be ignored. You fly on the side that always has the numbers, and you have the ability to change that simply by changing counties.
With the numbers advantage you enjoy, I'm sure you and your squad can overcome then ENY limitation by working together with ENY planes that are constantly available and continue to roll the map, win the war, and being happy with that.
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I don't get on as much as I used too, but saying you can't get kills, or can't maintain a decent K/D, or are outmatched in the arena flying a High ENY plane (which would only effect you if you ALSO had high numbers) is a lame argument:
Model Type Kills In Kills of Killed By Died In
Ki-61-I-Tei 54 0 0 11
Half of those were ground kills because I use the plane as close air support, so I'm staying 10K and below in an engagement as well.
A2A Kills I had 5 LA7's, and 4 Spixteens being my top A2A victories. By your logic, I should never have even had a chance against those rides... So what exactly does ENY do, except either force you to fly a different plane, or switch sides? It seems to me that it's functioning exactly as intended.
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Looking at your stats, it's 90% GV's anyways -- I'm not sure how big a difference a T34/76 vs a T34/85 is going to effect the balance of the game and your ability to camp hangars. :devil
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I saw in another thread that what's killing the game is the fact that it doesn't include every plane ever made or conceived of from WW2, and doesn't have pretty graphics and planes that all fly the same. So which thread am I supposed to believe?
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Really, people, we need to elect an official doomsayer. Too many voices are diluting the message that the game is doomed for reasons. The resupply cabal might be a good choice, which is pretty closely tied to the "too many GVs are killing the game" group. ENY has been killing the game since it was introduced apparently so it has the long-running factor. The collision model is another long running contender as well.
Most other gripes are flashes in the pan. Sure, they've gotten a couple long threads devoted to them but generally speaking they just don't have the legs of the bigger ones.
Wiley.
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I heard it was Mods selectively enforcing chan mutes. :noid
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In my case ENY has not been a deterrent. I usually fly Bish and most of the time in the AM when I have the time. So loving P47s as I do, and I must say I fly the M Model at lot at nite to catch runners. From the D11 to the D40 they are pretty much the same. Of all the models I like the D11 the most. Problem is unless you can get speed in a dive those who don't have eny are using P51s and faster planes that the D11 can't catch. Just use it as it was meant to be used. Don't ask it to do something it can't do, ask it to do something it does well. That goes for anything you chose to fly.
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I landed a bunch of kills tonite, and my lowest eny plane was the 110G2. I landed kills in the Hurri1, the 109G2, the 110c4, and the 109G14. I had a blast. I saw P40s, and c202s tonite. It was a blast.
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I landed a bunch of kills tonite
You're killing AH! :old:
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You're killing AH! :old:
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I have to agree with Kilroy on the low number end of things..... I personally don't get affected by eny with my choices however when the arena has the very low numbers of when I play ...we are talking 10 as the high numbered side it is a little retarded to my mind.... I don't care if I'm facing off ( yes I know that is a personal stand point) against a pony or P40 ... only difference is I have a better chance to face off against something if the pony is available... Threshold numbers for ENY to kick in ??? but when you have a total of 30 players it is a bit on the nose... people just tower hop...or run Gv's...GV's are fine...but I'm a 80/20 guy I want to fight planes more....
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Nothing is more satisfying than killing an "uber" ride in a "lesser" ride. Nothing. Any chump can get kills in a uber ride! It takes some actual pilot skill to be able to defeat an objectively superior plane with an inferior one. Think of the uber ride pilot sitting all smug and comfy in that 1944-45 cockpit, sure of his dominance of the skies -- only to have that "oh sheet" moment when he hears the impact of your bullets and that final "Wait! You can't kill me with that relic..." as he dies in flaming ignominy.
If you are flying ENY 5.0 rides, you are missing out on half the fun.
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You guys are missing the whole point of the OPs post.
He's asking for larger bombs for the FM2 :devil
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Since the introduction of ENY limiter the number of complaints about uneven numbers went down and are practically extinct. It was not like that in the past. ENY whines have replaced the population unbalance whines.
The issue with ENY is specific to the case of very low numbers that happen during east Asia/Australia evening (lack of players from that time zone). Indeed the situation can probably be improved. However, if you often suffer from ENY restrictions that bother you, it means that you should consider switching chess piece.
You can just as easily say, "Since numbers have gone down side imbalance complaints have gone down."
Without a regression-based statistical analysis you can't say it's merely because of ENY.
I have noticed the ENY monster seems tame lately compared to six months back. I have no idea why, but I'm happy about it.
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Kilroy, you may not have noticed this before, but this is a discussion board. If folks don't agree with you they will express those contrary opinions. It does not mean they don't like you, there is a difference of opinion. In the future if you wish to express your ideas just to HiTech and do not wish to discuss it with other players, you might just want to try a simple PM to HiTech.
There is one fact that cannot be ignored. You fly on the side that always has the numbers, and you have the ability to change that simply by changing counties.
With the numbers advantage you enjoy, I'm sure you and your squad can overcome then ENY limitation by working together with ENY planes that are constantly available and continue to roll the map, win the war, and being happy with that.
Well, totally understand the discussion idea. Not sure how it devolves into a you vs. me or "just switch countries to solve it." If I was stupid enough to promote my own agenda, I am pretty sure it would be over reduced subscription for my eminence, sponsored participation, or something else worthy of my presence and not chipping away at things like ENY. Obviously I would not care about country affiliation and go where the perks are fattest, or be like a pig who has learned to feed off his countries angst by kill counting away with a deuce against the early war hoard.
The game is dying and I look for solutions. I see noobs come and get consternated and about every fifth one stays, if that. I see the game stagnate with the AFK Rooks. I don't want to nurture them, or give them fields, I want HTC to eliminate the country and solve the problem. Barring that, let the maps roll faster and look less depressing. The same rule applies to switching to the winning country as does switching to the low ENY one. Do it if it suits you.
You keep replying how I need to change my attitude, well it's a discussion board and you can type whatever you want, it likely won't increase subscriptions, however. You keep replying how rewarding early war kills are, you need to convince the noobs not me. It seems like we were willing to endure the M3 madness, how did that work out.
This is a sound and valid argument and I have seen exactly one single reasoned statement that discusses the current system as to how it relates to subscriptions.
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Well it has just become a country thing, besides serving to kill off new recruits. They definitely don't want to have to go through the Bish learning curve, the lesson would be "how to excel when even God is against you." Right now in game Bish has a total of 29 online, 9 in flight. The ENY is 11.9. Knights have 32 on, 14 in flight and ENY is 7.3. Rooks have 14 on with 4 in flight.
So now it is coming to light that the ENY curve is indeed skewed against one country, the country that is uniquely identified as being the winningest and even with that objective, ENY FAILS. Knights have more players, more in flight, more fields and lower ENY, explain that.
While we are on the subject, I would also like my tank rounds un-nerfed, thanks. I pay the same amount as all the lame yucks do that can only hope to get a shot off at me in here, as opposed to the MA. Yes I noticed that 4 HVAP in the radiator did not kill an M4.
(https://i.imgur.com/gbMmIkb.jpg)
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Pigs on the Wing tried to even out the numbers....maybe it's time one of you Bish squads to do your part for the community....
:ahand
I agree. (Most of) v97th is rook this tour. Working on the reluctant ones to bring the full crew over. The game would be better overall if one side didn't win nearly all the time.
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I have to agree with Kilroy on the low number end of things..... I personally don't get affected by eny with my choices however when the arena has the very low numbers of when I play ...we are talking 10 as the high numbered side it is a little retarded to my mind.... I don't care if I'm facing off ( yes I know that is a personal stand point) against a pony or P40 ... only difference is I have a better chance to face off against something if the pony is available... Threshold numbers for ENY to kick in ??? but when you have a total of 30 players it is a bit on the nose... people just tower hop...or run Gv's...GV's are fine...but I'm a 80/20 guy I want to fight planes more....
The thing is, Tongs, is that when there are 30 in the room, 20 of them are usually Bishops, and hording.
Besides, you don't care about ENY, all you fly is the KI-61 anyway!! :airplane: :joystick: :salute
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The game would be better overall if one side didn't win nearly all the time.
This sentiment goes without saying. To maintain any other perspective is illogical, therefore irrelevant...which leads to defining ones position on it. It is not my responsibility to even the game. It is my right to hone my skills, those of my countrymen and to develop a system to achieve the ultimate goal. When one country has done so, it is "God's" responsibility to keep the world, the war, populated.
I personally reject the "god complex" several players have demonstrated by continually switching between Rook and Knight, as if their personal input somehow makes everything right. To each his own.
This thread is about one of the tools the virtual god of AH uses to keep things fair, ENY. Tn that capacity it fails, in it's present configuration. I can offer alternatives, a tower time out auto kick would be freaking great, it is so obvious that I am sure it has been dismissed for whatever obscure reason.
Sure, I'll switch countries when you sponsor my subscription. Next idea?
The thing is, Tongs, is that when there are 30 in the room, 20 of them are usually Bishops, and hording.
Besides, you don't care about ENY, all you fly is the KI-61 anyway!!
Here's an idea, work on what could make your country popular, instead of sniping away in here. Get it? Popular/populated.
I don't know, maybe there should be some sort of no hoard rule or something -- wait, that is what this thread is about and there is one and yet you still aren't content. Your idea: blame the country that does it. Got it, next?
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What your ENY screenshot shows is something that's very frequent on the Bish, and part of the reason for your ENY. Yes Knights have more in flight, but you have more players -- period. Maybe tell your countrymen to not stay logged in AFK all night hoping for the map to be rolled and them to get 25 perks the easy way.
Did you know 1 flight with killing 2 LA7's in a KI61 will give you the same 25 perks and take a fraction of the time?
...and you don't have to worry about ENY! :old:
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So now it is coming to light that the ENY curve is indeed skewed against one country, the country that is uniquely identified as being the winningest and even with that objective, ENY FAILS. Knights have more players, more in flight, more fields and lower ENY, explain that.
You have no idea how ENY is calculated...neither do I, but I think because the Bish outnumber the Rooks by more than the Nits outnumber the Rooks, and Bish outnumber Nits, the Bish get hit with more ENY. It works on arena numbers, not in-flight numbers
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So now it is coming to light that the ENY curve is indeed skewed against one country, the country that is uniquely identified as being the winningest and even with that objective, ENY FAILS. Knights have more players, more in flight, more fields and lower ENY, explain that.
You picture shows that Bish have more players. And that's all what counts. Inflight and # of fields don't matter.
ENY is working the same for all sides.
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Did you know 1 flight with killing 2 LA7's in a KI61 will give you the same 25 perks and take a fraction of the time?
What about this thread gives you the idea that I want, or even need fighter perks? Is it the fact that during the course of winning a map, one is awarded perk points and that is the only possible incentive why anyone could want to end the perpetual early war planes vs. perk plane fights that are typical for a.m. AH gameplay? The question is rhetorical.
Maybe tell your countrymen to not stay logged in AFK all night hoping for the map to be rolled and them to get 25 perks the easy way.
Maybe countrymen is too broad a term for those leeches. Again it is impuned upon me to fix the system I pay into, in order to have it work properly. This, right here, is me fixing it. There are problems, attendance dwindles, I am offering possible solutions. A solution will be found that works or the game will die.
I see no reason to attend a game that I do not play and I see no reason to allow others to do so. Removing the idle tower queens may indeed solve the ENY issue that I've raised here.
a tower time out auto kick would be freaking great, it is so obvious that I am sure it has been dismissed for whatever obscure reason.
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I see no reason to attend a game that I do not play and I see no reason to allow others to do so. Removing the idle tower queens may indeed solve the ENY issue that I've raised here.
It's not that obscure. It's too easy to get around an afk kick to bother with it.
Wiley.
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There are obvious ways around the ENY issue you seem to be having. Your inability to try new/different things up to and including new planes or new countries is completely your own problem.
The game has mechanics in place for you -- you chose not to use them and then claim foul against the developers.
Basically what you're asking for is the ability to roll maps with massive amounts of numbers and no restriction on what sorts of uber-rides you're able to use in the process.
How would it be fun to anyone else to be permahorded by 20 P51's when the best you can muster is maybe 4 planes to defend? :bhead
Fact of the matter is, I bet I could own you in my KI61 against any of your uber-rides and you'd find another issue with how the game is unbalanced because your plane should automatically give you the decisive advantage. :joystick:
Methinks thy buttocks doth hurt. :ahand
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How would it be fun to anyone else to be permahorded by 20 P51's when the best you can muster is maybe 4 planes to defend? :bhead
My question to that has always been, what is the material difference between being permahorded by 20 P51s and being permahorded by 20 P47D25s, or D11s? You're not going to be able to mount anything resembling a cohesive defense in the above scenario against either, IMO.
I get what Kilroy's saying, just not real sure what can be done about it other than magic.
Wiley.
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And they were right. AH2 is dead and gone :old:
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not because of low numbers but because of HTC updated the game is why AH2 died.
I did miss 7 months of the game maybe I missed out on something.
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It's not that obscure. It's too easy to get around an afk kick to bother with it.
Wiley.
I disagree about bothering with it. I am embarrassed to say that I have dozed off while in the tower, even while in game, in a tree shadow for example. I'd be relieved to find out the game had discoed me, because as embarrassed as I am for falling asleep while killing people, I am ashamed for idle jacking the ENY. Many bish do openly condemn the practice. If someone wants to get around it by getting out of the tower every two hours, or whatever the interval is, I say let them. If they want to try my tree trick, well the kick won't work, but tyfoo always manages to film find me or something so, there's that.There are obvious ways around the ENY issue you seem to be having. Your inability to try new/different things up to and including new planes or new countries is completely your own problem.
Not sure how you would educate the noobs, keep the game from dying and not turn this into my ENY problem without actually thinking, but you might try it.
The game has mechanics in place for you -- you chose not to use them and then claim foul against the developers.
Basically what you're asking for is the ability to roll maps with massive amounts of numbers and no restriction on what sorts of uber-rides you're able to use in the process.
How would it be fun to anyone else to be permahorded by 20 P51's when the best you can muster is maybe 4 planes to defend?
Basically what you are asking for is to not change anything about a dying game. How would it be fun to enter an empty MA? ENY blocking the permahoard has obviously worked so well I am sure the game would have dies ages ago, without it, right?
Fact of the matter is, I bet I could own you in my KI61 against any of your uber-rides and you'd find another issue with how the game is unbalanced because your plane should automatically give you the decisive advantage.
So now you've actually managed to turn this thread into a you vs. me thing, classic Conan the Barbarian.
Methinks thy buttocks doth hurt.
I am not so full of myself as to presume anyone would want to know what I think.
My question to that has always been, what is the material difference between being permahorded by 20 P51s and being permahorded by 20 P47D25s, or D11s? You're not going to be able to mount anything resembling a cohesive defense in the above scenario against either, IMO.
I get what Kilroy's saying, just not real sure what can be done about it other than magic.
Wiley.
Ok. It is largely caused, I think, by one countries absence. Before Rooks started disappearing, I didn't notice it so much, or what I mean to say is, it worked, or or less, it was relatively linear - and Bish has been doing the morning roll thing for a much longer time. Now we have an absent country that throws the scales off and both remaining countries are compelled to compensate, to make it "fair" for an AFK country.
As to the cohesive defense, I don't know, let the maps roll by relaxing the ENY and maybe Rooks will feel less discouraged when they log in and don't see the same old 52% home country fields map.
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Well it has just become a country thing, besides serving to kill off new recruits. They definitely don't want to have to go through the Bish learning curve, the lesson would be "how to excel when even God is against you." Right now in game Bish has a total of 29 online, 9 in flight. The ENY is 11.9. Knights have 32 on, 14 in flight and ENY is 7.3. Rooks have 14 on with 4 in flight.
So now it is coming to light that the ENY curve is indeed skewed against one country, the country that is uniquely identified as being the winningest and even with that objective, ENY FAILS. Knights have more players, more in flight, more fields and lower ENY, explain that.
While we are on the subject, I would also like my tank rounds un-nerfed, thanks. I pay the same amount as all the lame yucks do that can only hope to get a shot off at me in here, as opposed to the MA. Yes I noticed that 4 HVAP in the radiator did not kill an M4.
(https://i.imgur.com/gbMmIkb.jpg)
In the picture you posted the bishops have 20 people logged in and 9 in flight knight have 18 and 14 people in flight and rooks only have 4 in flight I sometimes wish ENY counted in flight but if a mission were to start then it would drastically throw all the balance of eny so I would do what the others suggest quit your moaning and groaning and fly different planes or Switch sides
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I am offering an argument to end or modify the imposition of ENY. As a game leveling, balancing factor of fairness, it fails. The game appears to be in a rut with the Rook nation largely absent. Numbers cycle from about 150 when all countries are populated relatively evenly, to about 25-30, with the Rook nation at times unrepresented. So, when it is 7 vs 11, the 11 member nation must struggle to make advances with early war planes against perk planes while the Rooks sit in tower. Have you ever tried to capture a field with FM2's against just a few La-7's/Spit 16's? The old days of the hoard covering each other's six are temporarily suspended at best, getting 10 people in on a mission is a real feat in the Steam age. None of them seem too impressed with ENY, either, btw.
When the map is new, or balanced, the Rooks seem to attend more. They certainly do not seem to log on and express, "goody, the have stinky eny let's nail them." It is more like, "bummer, the map sucks again, I'm playing Minecraft" and they leave and ENY soars.
No one really cares who won the last map, in internet terms, it no longer exists. If removing ENY to allow these stale maps to end and refresh causes a slew of victories for the populated country, I think what people will notice is, "ah, new map, a new chance to nail them," as so often inevitably happens anyway. It will increase attendance.
ENY is why we have maps with 60% fields belonging to the home country -- that do not end for days. This stuff is incredibly obvious and I should be enjoying my subscription, not managing the nature of it, so you are welcome for the heads up. Please consider the message, accept it's validity and make appropriate adjustments.
Need to pork? Fly a Mossie or TBM. Need to go fast? Fly a PonyB. Need to turn? Fly a Spit9. Need to climb? Fly a 109G2. Need to bomb? Fly a Ju 88. Stop whining.
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My question to that has always been, what is the material difference between being permahorded by 20 P51s and being permahorded by 20 P47D25s, or D11s? You're not going to be able to mount anything resembling a cohesive defense in the above scenario against either, IMO.
I get what Kilroy's saying, just not real sure what can be done about it other than magic.
Wiley.
Wiley i disagree.. a couple D9s or Tempests could quickly get alt and push down an attack of D11s or D25s whereas they would have a much more difficult time shepharding a group of 51s that could gave a few edtend enoigh to have the energy to threaten them. If anything more ENY would make the fights less lopsided. And using ENY 40 planes can be fun too!
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Stop whining.
This. :aok
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But if an auto kick function for inactivity was put in how would cybro defend the knight bases all along the bish front?????
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I didn't know eny really made a difference, when all you do is camp spawn hangars.
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Have you ever tried to capture a field with FM2's against just a few La-7's/Spit 16's?
Actually, this sort of thing is kind of fun.
- oldman (I mean, in a challenging sort of way...)
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Need to pork? Fly a Mossie or TBM. Need to go fast? Fly a PonyB. Need to turn? Fly a Spit9. Need to climb? Fly a 109G2. Need to bomb? Fly a Ju 88. Stop whining.
I protest you mentioning the mosquito and the TBM as equal alternatives. :old:
What is missing from that list is the forgotten plane of AH - the best unused fighter.
La5FN
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I protest you mentioning the mosquito and the TBM as equal alternatives. :old:
Quite right. It takes a sophisticated radio tuner, made out of wood, to tune into BBC Radio 4 :old:
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quit your moaning and groaning and fly different planes or Switch sides
Is that all we are capable of? Devolving the situation into my problem with ENY, or my problem with perks and theoretically how you would solve the issue with so much less whining. Well, since this is a forum where matters are discussed and participation is purely voluntary, you open this thread, read what you will and contribute - or not. You know, if it seems like you are seeing too much whining it might be time to realize that forum sniping has become too difficult for you. Might be time to switch to watching nyan cat videos. Blaming the other guy for this leap in maturity implies you are myopic.
Meanwhile the game sinks to abysmal lows - two weeks ago I was the only Bish in flight for about 30-40 minutes and it was a very odd feeling. I am particularly aware that many believe themselves to be an expert on the subject, while in reality I see so few of them on during that early morning time period when numbers dwindle. They write with authority on a subject of which they've gathered little experience.
How many of you commenting, have participated on a consistent basis, in an arena that has fewer than 30 people? I have been playing the early a.m. US time slot for years. My 17 year old son was in a stroller when I started and I can say, with authority, that I have never seen numbers this low. It may be all action and fighty by the time you get on, but if this trend continues, the time will come when the MA will go empty - and you all talk tactics and P47d40's like it is the only thing that matters! It is as if you are standing on the deck of the Titanic, arguing over whether the massive chunk of ice qualified as an iceberg, or has to be relegated to some other arcane term for floating ice.
It is time for rash action. It is time to break the glass on the fire axes, time to light the Bat Signal, time to scramble the bombers and go to DEFCON 1. We've already tried some crazy stuff; nerfing the M3, adding/removing 200, Steam, etc. Does anyone remember seeing this in the chat buffer? "HiTech: we will never go Steam." Never is a long time.
We've been doing the ENY hop for decades, thanks for the idea of using a 109F, but these ideas are not populating the MA.
It needs to be made funner. High ENY/low numbers is a grind, for me, for noobs, for anyone I have experience with. I don't see the opposite condition bringing the Rooks in, I don't see how the Knights feel and it is indeed possible that this situation I want to change is the ONLY thing keeping Knights in. So we change it, Knights say, "this sucks I am playing Minecraft" and the game dies. Is it better to do nothing and just watch it happen anyway?
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Killroy, you mix stuff up and make no sense. The AH player population size is one thing, ENY locks is another. The former only really causes issues when the numbers are extremely low - this means that the vast majority of players are unaffected by this.
AH never had a sizeable population in east Asia prime time. If you suggest that that small fraction became even smaller because of ENY issues, then maybe there is something to discuss. The overall effect on the game and the rest of the player population is nil. If there is some critical issue with AH it is not ENY.
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I would argue ENY is the ONLY thing off hours keeping the Bish in check. Otherwise the map will be won in no time at all and arena resets REALLY do trigger whoever was still logged in to go to bed.
For years Bish have used the excuse of getting double teamed in prime time a legitimate reason for their OTT horde mentality when the arena is quiet to grab/extend whatever war situation they have. Some Bish players even SWITCH sides to tactically Bomb strats to further the Bish advance. :rolleyes: At some point we all have to hold hands and sit around in one happy circle and agree that we need equal teams and equal numbered fights. How else can you achieve that without a number balancing mechanism such as ENY!
They still get their fair share of fields with 29 ENY. The mossie, la5, brewsters, 109g2-F4S, early t34, all do well. If ENY is 20 or so throw in M4 rockets, tu2s / b24s, Ki84s, spit 9's. All excellent tools to get the job done. Whilst the ENY values could also do with some tweaks here and there you have no complaint really. What your asking for is the team with more players than BOTH the other sides put together to have ALL weapons available to them which is crazy.
Sometimes it does have consequences because with a larger % of the map you force the other teams to get THEIR land back and then people start logging in on rook/nit and both attack Bish. Hence the paranoia/superiority complex of "you never hit the other teams etc". It is mildly amusing when the Rooks are having a go at some Knight fields when Bish have 20+% of their fields. People will go wherever they feel is nearest/easiest.
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It is obvious that the ENY system isnt "punishing" players enough for being on the side with the greatest numbers. So what must be done is killing the chess piece loyalty, for ex by assigning a player to the side with the lowest number when he log in.
But ENY isn't really the problem, the problem is that the player base has imploded, there are almost no European players left in the game and those who are plays pretty much only on weekends when the numbers are a bit higher. I also left because of this, there is simply no longer worth paying $15/month to play online since there isnt anyone to fight anymore. The game is great but it doesnt help if there isnt any players. The inflow of new players are so low that when they show up they are immediately seen as spies/shades etc...
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ENY is killing the game when i cant up 163 to kill strat raiders! :rolleyes: :D :neener:
so up a 152 or a tempest or a typhoon, you don't have to have a rocket or jets to kill bombers-heck I have been at 25K and got chased down by P47-m's.
it may be killing your game because you can't shoot down bombers with a 163 but not being able to take up a certain plane is not killing the game.
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Kilroy, you may not have noticed this before, but this is a discussion board. If folks don't agree with you they will express those contrary opinions. It does not mean they don't like you, there is a difference of opinion. In the future if you wish to express your ideas just to HiTech and do not wish to discuss it with other players, you might just want to try a simple PM to HiTech.
There is one fact that cannot be ignored. You fly on the side that always has the numbers, and you have the ability to change that simply by changing counties.
With the numbers advantage you enjoy, I'm sure you and your squad can overcome then ENY limitation by working together with ENY planes that are constantly available and continue to roll the map, win the war, and being happy with that.
uhhh I DON'T like Kilroy :D
JK
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Well it has just become a country thing, besides serving to kill off new recruits. They definitely don't want to have to go through the Bish learning curve, the lesson would be "how to excel when even God is against you." Right now in game Bish has a total of 29 online, 9 in flight. The ENY is 11.9. Knights have 32 on, 14 in flight and ENY is 7.3. Rooks have 14 on with 4 in flight.
So now it is coming to light that the ENY curve is indeed skewed against one country, the country that is uniquely identified as being the winningest and even with that objective, ENY FAILS. Knights have more players, more in flight, more fields and lower ENY, explain that.
While we are on the subject, I would also like my tank rounds un-nerfed, thanks. I pay the same amount as all the lame yucks do that can only hope to get a shot off at me in here, as opposed to the MA. Yes I noticed that 4 HVAP in the radiator did not kill an M4.
(https://i.imgur.com/gbMmIkb.jpg)
these look like weekday early morning numbers-and you bish still have more numbers as usual.
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Is that all we are capable of? Devolving the situation into my problem with ENY, or my problem with perks and theoretically how you would solve the issue with so much less whining. Well, since this is a forum where matters are discussed and participation is purely voluntary, you open this thread, read what you will and contribute - or not. You know, if it seems like you are seeing too much whining it might be time to realize that forum sniping has become too difficult for you. Might be time to switch to watching nyan cat videos. Blaming the other guy for this leap in maturity implies you are myopic.
Meanwhile the game sinks to abysmal lows - two weeks ago I was the only Bish in flight for about 30-40 minutes and it was a very odd feeling. I am particularly aware that many believe themselves to be an expert on the subject, while in reality I see so few of them on during that early morning time period when numbers dwindle. They write with authority on a subject of which they've gathered little experience.
How many of you commenting, have participated on a consistent basis, in an arena that has fewer than 30 people? I have been playing the early a.m. US time slot for years. My 17 year old son was in a stroller when I started and I can say, with authority, that I have never seen numbers this low. It may be all action and fighty by the time you get on, but if this trend continues, the time will come when the MA will go empty - and you all talk tactics and P47d40's like it is the only thing that matters! It is as if you are standing on the deck of the Titanic, arguing over whether the massive chunk of ice qualified as an iceberg, or has to be relegated to some other arcane term for floating ice.
It is time for rash action. It is time to break the glass on the fire axes, time to light the Bat Signal, time to scramble the bombers and go to DEFCON 1. We've already tried some crazy stuff; nerfing the M3, adding/removing 200, Steam, etc. Does anyone remember seeing this in the chat buffer? "HiTech: we will never go Steam." Never is a long time.
We've been doing the ENY hop for decades, thanks for the idea of using a 109F, but these ideas are not populating the MA.
It needs to be made funner. High ENY/low numbers is a grind, for me, for noobs, for anyone I have experience with. I don't see the opposite condition bringing the Rooks in, I don't see how the Knights feel and it is indeed possible that this situation I want to change is the ONLY thing keeping Knights in. So we change it, Knights say, "this sucks I am playing Minecraft" and the game dies. Is it better to do nothing and just watch it happen anyway?
ENY is a personal problem to you during the low number times. We get it, you dont like being restricted by ENY. Removing ENY on the other hand isnt going to bring the numbers up.
What is needed is an influx of players and right now what HTC is doing doesnt seem to be working well. I hope they try something else because I really hate seeing the numbers drop, and I only get to fly when the numbers are at their peak. I'd be gone if I only got to fly early US time.
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I agree. (Most of) v97th is rook this tour. Working on the reluctant ones to bring the full crew over. The game would be better overall if one side didn't win nearly all the time.
in my opinion if a squad leader tells his squaddies to change sides they should all change sides or dump them.
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Killroy, you mix stuff up and make no sense. The AH player population size is one thing, ENY locks is another. The former only really causes issues when the numbers are extremely low - this means that the vast majority of players are unaffected by this.
AH never had a sizeable population in east Asia prime time. If you suggest that that small fraction became even smaller because of ENY issues, then maybe there is something to discuss. The overall effect on the game and the rest of the player population is nil. If there is some critical issue with AH it is not ENY.
Being this is my prime time.... there is a marked population difference from a few years back... possibly 4 (Lusche would have a better grasp on time frame of this than me)....we used to get down to 80 odd at the quietest times....slowly that kept dropping and for the last year at least we get down into the 20's for an hour or so. compared to the US prime it is not so sizable I spose (80)...but there were way more options....things really change when the numbers get small....all the little inconveniences like ENY and the other complaints going on in the forums are magnified..... having 5 tower sitters waiting for a possible win is a detriment...
These numbers are when it is between 7pm and 1am my time ... By 1am, America is waking up and the numbers start to go up...I think it is about 6/7 am somewhere over there. I feel all giddy when I get home early from work and catch the tail end of US Prime time.
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when I logged on this morning about 9am central, there were 89 players on-nothing wrong with that and bish still had more players-
just checked Kilroy's stats from this last tour T34-85 1147 kills-wow I guess this game is dying-NOT
this past Friday night although FSO night over 200 players-rooks at 1 point had 88 players alone then the Knights was the lowest numbered country.
even after players went to FSO we still had around 100 players in the Melee arena.
maybe one should ask the players that only show up for FSO why they don't play in Melee more often instead of just special events.
we have more players now than 8 months ago.
no I don't think the game is dying.
but Really the only one that could tell us that is HiTech.
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so up a 152 or a tempest or a typhoon, you don't have to have a rocket or jets to kill bombers-heck I have been at 25K and got chased down by P47-m's.
it may be killing your game because you can't shoot down bombers with a 163 but not being able to take up a certain plane is not killing the game.
I kill bombers all day long in P-51s...
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when I logged on this morning about 9am central, there were 89 players on-nothing wrong with that and bish still had more players-
just checked Kilroy's stats from this last tour T34-85 1147 kills-wow I guess this game is dying-NOT
this past Friday night although FSO night over 200 players-rooks at 1 point had 88 players alone then the Knights was the lowest numbered country.
even after players went to FSO we still had around 100 players in the Melee arena.
maybe one should ask the players that only show up for FSO why they don't play in Melee more often instead of just special events.
we have more players now than 8 months ago.
no I don't think the game is dying.
but Really the only one that could tell us that is HiTech.
I'm unranked in Buffs currently...ranked 358...in the past that number has been over 1300....so you can't say the game isn't declining.
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I think eny restrictions could better be used to control base capture resources. An example would be if a country has the lowest number of players, the strats rebuild much faster or the ords and auto ak down times are restricted.
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I think eny restrictions could better be used to control base capture resources. An example would be if a country has the lowest number of players, the strats rebuild much faster or the ords and auto ak down times are restricted.
You might as well scrub ENY alltogether, because that would affect only players really playing the war game. Many ain't. Who cares if my team captures a base as long as I can whack outnumbered victims in my Tempest?
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I'm unranked in Buffs currently...ranked 358...in the past that number has been over 1300....so you can't say the game isn't declining.
The month is young. Last month I did not fly bombers and was ranked 1350. How do explain that?
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I protest you mentioning the mosquito and the TBM as equal alternatives. :old:
What is missing from that list is the forgotten plane of AH - the best unused fighter.
La5FN
I thought about including the La-5FN, but want it to remain under the radar.
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You might as well scrub ENY alltogether, because that would affect only players really playing the war game. ...
That is the whole point. ENY plane restrictions angers people. It's only real function is to slow a horde map win by restricting planes. Let the air guys have the planes they want maybe only cutting off perk planes.
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Do the bish ever stop whining?
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I protest you mentioning the mosquito and the TBM as equal alternatives. :old:
What is missing from that list is the forgotten plane of AH - the best unused fighter.
La5FN
I'd have to agree that the 109g2 and la5 are the 2 best under rated high eny fighters. Absolutely great planes for furballing.
My only gripe about ENY is that the 190D either needs to get perked or moved to 5 eny to reduce the usage. This would reduce the running crowd and get people in planes that arent so easy to just hit X and run away. The 190D has the most kills with the highest Eny and K/D of the non perked fighters. Those #s do actually mean something. IMO perking or reducing the 190D would go a long way to create a better fighting atmosphere in the MA. To many run away super fast fighters is not good overall for the arena. A person who really understands E fighting should never die in a 190D. It's one of the best fighters for the game because of it's speed and accel.
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That is the whole point. ENY plane restrictions angers people.
No ENY restrictions anger people, too.
It's just like with the collision model. You see only complaints about ti. That neither makes it wrong, nor does it mean it's not going to be an ocean of complaints when it would be changed ;)
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I'd have to agree that the 109g2 and la5 are the 2 best under rated high eny fighters. Absolutely great planes for furballing.
My only gripe about ENY is that the 190D either needs to get perked or moved to 5 eny to reduce the usage. This would reduce the running crowd and get people in planes that arent so easy to just hit X and run away. The 190D has the most kills with the highest Eny and K/D of the non perked fighters. Those #s do actually mean something. IMO perking or reducing the 190D would go a long way to create a better fighting atmosphere in the MA. To many run away super fast fighters is not good overall for the arena. A person who really understands E fighting should never die in a 190D. It's one of the best fighters for the game because of it's speed and accel.
Agreed. The dora is 2nd only to the 51 in total kills for fighters. Higher than the spi16 and la7. How can they justify not having it eny 5?
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I like the way this thread turned into bash the 190D!
I am on-board +1
190D ENY 5 no perk ty!! :D
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Killroy, you mix stuff up and make no sense. The AH player population size is one thing, ENY locks is another. The former only really causes issues when the numbers are extremely low - this means that the vast majority of players are unaffected by this.
We are largely in agreement, in that I am specifically referring to the low population time slot.
AH never had a sizeable population in east Asia prime time. If you suggest that that small fraction became even smaller because of ENY issues, then maybe there is something to discuss. The overall effect on the game and the rest of the player population is nil. If there is some critical issue with AH it is not ENY.
I think it's important to view this time slot more as an indicator of AH health, as a heart rate monitor, than as an East Asian demographic, no offense intended to the any members. This is my perspective: that fraction got smaller for whatever reason; attrition, senility, epiphany, eny, etc. Now, currently, that fraction is not growing, it is smaller that any time I have ever seen it playing AH and I know, for sure, that he current playing environment discourages newcomers in my country.
There is very little chance to excel. There is very little opportunity to feel validated, unless you join some sort of swarm of FM-2's. How can a new player feel good fighting against superior weapons. Don't give me some esoteric, soul building answer; are subscriptions sold on the basis of offering people an opportunity to improve their personalities?
This time slot, as a heart rate monitor, is a critical indicator. All the rest of you come on, it's a good fight, tank town and all and you never realize, for the first time in decades, the place was a ghost town before you joined. It's scary. That is why I say, let the maps roll. Who cares what Bish does when none of you are on. Turn ENY off when there are fewer that 40 people, we'll take it from there.
ENY is a personal problem to you during the low number times. We get it, you dont like being restricted by ENY. Removing ENY on the other hand isnt going to bring the numbers up.
How can you know what I prefer, or what I consider to be a personal problem? That is right, you can't, but you can go ahead and type like you can which leads to the validity of everything else that clatters off your keyboard. Implying the entire forum is your ally does not salvage your credibility and making an unsupported statement as to the effects of ENY removal proves you don't care.
I'd be gone if I only got to fly early US time.
This is a message we need to read over and over and over until the meaning of it sinks in.
It is obvious that the ENY system isnt "punishing" players enough for being on the side with the greatest numbers. So what must be done is killing the chess piece loyalty, for ex by assigning a player to the side with the lowest number when he log in.
It is obvious that you sir, are at a far different level in the game from me, in that you don't even recognize such levels. If I played as rarely as you, I probably would not care what country I flew in either. Popeye44 is my friend. I like talking to him, I like defending with him and he as a player is just one example of my Bish friends. If I had started Rook or Knight I would have the same affiliations in those countries. I look forward to seeing my friends and to meeting new ones.
You start scrambling this around like Counterstrike and I'm done. Ha, you all thought I had low self esteem problems and only came here to cure it by killing in droves - wrong!
But ENY isn't really the problem, the problem is that the player base has imploded, there are almost no European players left in the game and those who are plays pretty much only on weekends when the numbers are a bit higher. I also left because of this, there is simply no longer worth paying $15/month to play online since there isnt anyone to fight anymore. The game is great but it doesnt help if there isnt any players. The inflow of new players are so low that when they show up they are immediately seen as spies/shades etc...
We are in exact agreement here except for one glaring point: ENY is the problem. Take it away when numbers are low and numbers start to grow.
I would argue ENY is the ONLY thing off hours keeping the Bish in check. Otherwise the map will be won in no time at all and arena resets REALLY do trigger whoever was still logged in to go to bed.
You are very conscious of a need to keep Bish in check. You fly Rook, you fly Knight, but in all the years, I've only ever seen you visit the Bish country briefly. Like System, like Makayla. Some, like Capera, never visit Bish. I used to think you hated the country, as illogical as that would force you to be in my mind. Later I decided that you guys decided that HTC wasn't doing enough to make the game fair or fun or whatever you perceived the game needed - and so you set about doing it yourselves - am I close?
That is why I am thinking an idea to improve the game, that does not include slamming the Bish, will not go over so well with you. It does not mean the idea is invalid, it means you are unable to consider it.
Yes, I want all those holders on, the bitter, angry, defeated Bish haters to log. I want the old stuck maps to roll and get a new game and new feelings started.
For years Bish have used the excuse of getting double teamed in prime time a legitimate reason for their OTT horde mentality when the arena is quiet to grab/extend whatever war situation they have.
You make it very difficult to converse respectably when you make such conversational gaffs. The rumors about your mother's basement seem more credible reading this stuff. You do realize that "Bish" refers to the Bishop nation, which represents a loosely defined group of otherwise completely unassociated individuals? To say that "Bish have used the excuse," is to be, in virtual terms, racist. Shall I replace the word "Bish" in your sentence with the name for any racially charged interest group, so that it makes sense to you? You probably don't know why being racist is bad, which leads to the fact that you don't know that what you write is meaningless.
The rest of your post is more back slapping self aggrandization, which I won't even bother picking apart. I can't teach you how to express yourself in a responsible way, best stick to doing it with your guns, fewer chances of making a faux pas that way.
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It seems like the real eny complaint is all about not being able to fly 5 eny planes.
I'm usually in 20 or greater eny planes so I'm happy when my side is out numbered. I got 3 kills in an fm2 the other night and earned 18 perks for it!
Maybe eliminating eny when there's less than a certain # playing would be a good thing to try. If I only flew the 51 or spit 16 and during low # euro/asia time zones, I would be frustrated.
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The rumors about your mother's basement seem more credible reading this stuff.
Is this true Bruv? You have a mother and were not in fact assembled in the R.A.F. museum? It's an outrage! :old:
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As far as base captures go, the only effective eny restriction is the Lancaster outside of perk planes. Planes like p51s have very little effect on base capture. Let the fly guys have their birds.
The only eny restriction that ever bothers me is the wirble and lancaster.
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nevermind...things I was gonna say have already been said :rolleyes:
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How can you know what I prefer, or what I consider to be a personal problem? That is right, you can't, but you can go ahead and type like you can which leads to the validity of everything else that clatters off your keyboard. Implying the entire forum is your ally does not salvage your credibility and making an unsupported statement as to the effects of ENY removal proves you don't care.
It is pretty easy to see what you prefer and is a personal problem for you, you did after all start a thread about it! :rolleyes:
Again, removing ENY isnt going to bring the numbers up. All it will do is allow the larger group of players in the low number times DOMINATE the other teams. Which if you think about it will cause those players to log of/avoid any fight. If you want to roll bases unopposed with out ENY maybe you should load up a custom arena. That WILL bring in new players as those looking to play in the free arenas will see some activity in yours and join in.
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Last night, the typical scenario with knights being outnumbered and and facing hordes on both sides was present. If anything INCREASING ENY effects would have benefited the game.
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It is pretty easy to see what you prefer and is a personal problem for you, you did after all start a thread about it! :rolleyes:
Again, removing ENY isnt going to bring the numbers up. All it will do is allow the larger group of players in the low number times DOMINATE the other teams. Which if you think about it will cause those players to log of/avoid any fight. If you want to roll bases unopposed with out ENY maybe you should load up a custom arena. That WILL bring in new players as those looking to play in the free arenas will see some activity in yours and join in.
Agreed
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Last night, the typical scenario with knights being outnumbered and and facing hordes on both sides was present. If anything INCREASING ENY effects would have benefited the game.
What's typical is people saying they are being hit by hordes on both sides...how is it that a Knight, a Bish and a room have said this all within the same week on the bbs...
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Yes probably because it happens to all sides at various tumes of the day. ENY is still the best way to mitigate it.
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Most of you don't play when the ENY that the OP is predominantly talking about is in force... seriously...get up at 3-6 in the morning and log in...see how/ what your reaction is then....
Lunatic..earlier on you spoke about your time 9 am.... this is when the population is growing also it was a Saturday morning and a scenario was due that day..
.I know you are also on in the wee smalls at times when the numbers are 30 and below... the times you are talking about in the other reply to me are awesome....90 people is a good time...more is better..because the numbers who aren't actually there have less effect.
seriously... we have a max of 30 on the roster... many of them are asleep and just tower sitting whilst they do.... So sure we have a raging number on but the inflight is dismal... for the last we while rooks have been very low...4 on the side...but they can have all four in flight...bish do have numbers at this time but as seen...the number in flight is less than knits....that screenshot is probably about 2 am my time 9am EDT so numbers are starting to climb
I guess there is no right or wrong way to this.... someone will always have a problem...
but for me...(yes me) low numbers needs a tweak... I invite you all to log in at these times to see what I am talking about :evil: :devil
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Solution make eny based on how many planes/vehicles are in sortie? Pros cons?
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Solution make eny based on how many planes/vehicles are in sortie? Pros cons?
A group of players can sit in the tower to lower ENY, select uber planes, then launch together. :noid
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Every time I think I know how to fix the eny part of the game I stumble on another reason not to change it.
The problem is there is no good answer. It is like government and taxes. Both suck but you have to have some sort of control.
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The only problem with ENY is those that cant handle being restricted by it.
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The only problem with ENY is those that cant handle being restricted by it.
ENY rarely hits my choice of rides but I do wish players could get the plane they want.
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Agreed. The dora is 2nd only to the 51 in total kills for fighters. Higher than the spi16 and la7. How can they justify not having it eny 5?
Not only that, but it has the highest K/D with the most kills. That's a big # because it means it doesn't die as much, therefore it's a very tough plane to kill. The other 5 eny planes get tangled up in fights easier which is why they die more. The 190D runs away and flies at 20K, which makes it one of the best planes.
I also meant to include the 19A5 as another under rated furballer and perk farmer. Much more fun and exciting to fly than a 190D anyway.
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ENY rarely hits my choice of rides but I do wish players could get the plane they want.
They can, just switch teams. :D
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They can, just switch teams. :D
I don't really have an issue with ENY but the problem I do see is if you are one of the war winning crowd , like I am changing teams isn't much of an option, at least till the map is won. It would be much like playing chess against myself. Why would I work hard to capture bases, pork factories and such just to change teams so I can fix the stuff I broke and take back the bases I helped take in the first place? I'm guessing it might not be such an issue for a pure furballer type but for a war winner it's an issue.
I Have hardly ever bothered to change sides because I'm happy with were I'm at really, but I can see this as one of the big problems with the "Just change sides" argument.
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P51-B is actually better at the altitude most people engage at in here which is always an option and the 38J is an all around better plane than a 38L IMHO. P47D40 can still carry a ton of ord and is a better plane than the N... so really, I don't see that big of a deal with ENY limiting plane selection for the vast majority of people.
Even the LA5 is a freaking beast, and the spit viii and spit ix are extremely maneuverable and fast planes as well for the stick stirring crowd.
I'm still at a loss as to what exactly ENY is preventing anyone from doing -- there are plenty of available planes that do the job just as good, if not better than their LW counterparts.
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To be honest...the only time I even notice that ENY is an issue, is when joining missions(which isnt as common anymore) or defending with GVs. I hate not being able to roll my WIRB. Yes, the osi or M16 is available but those are a bit difficult to transition too,for me. M16 can get killed before plane is even in range, around 1k. The .50s disappear close to that range and any La or other cannon bird can take you out before you can even blink. Thats my only issue at all, and its not really an issue. I can understand why we have ENY, theoretically, I just dont see the problem. To me, I think ENY gets the blame for Game Mechanics being different now. :uhoh Yes you may need more people involved in a task, using higher ENY planes like Bombers for example. Forced to take 26's instead of Lancs, may take 2 or three formations instead of just 1. Seems lack of TEAM WORK is really the problem when ENY kicks in. Same with Furballers. Yes flying a P40 against 2 Spit16's is alot harder than an La7 vrs 2 Spit16's (which is a fight most furballers really relish) but its the lack of team work that makes it different(for most). Thats just my way of thinking about the issue. Its NOT the game, as much as how it is played these days
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I don't really have an issue with ENY but the problem I do see is if you are one of the war winning crowd , like I am changing teams isn't much of an option, at least till the map is won. It would be much like playing chess against myself. Why would I work hard to capture bases, pork factories and such just to change teams so I can fix the stuff I broke and take back the bases I helped take in the first place? I'm guessing it might not be such an issue for a pure furballer type but for a war winner it's an issue.
I Have hardly ever bothered to change sides because I'm happy with were I'm at really, but I can see this as one of the big problems with the "Just change sides" argument.
I agree, and dont change sides very often. On the other hand Im mature enough to understand the hows and whys of ENY and can accept them. :D
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On the other hand
Huhuh huhuhuhuh :rofl
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AFK players should be kicked after a set period. It's been 10 years we need that.
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AFK players should be kicked after a set period. It's been 10 years we need that.
I agree
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by arena though, because i've parked in TA several times to get my skins all downloaded.
AFK players should be kicked after a set period. It's been 10 years we need that.
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AFK players should be kicked after a set period. It's been 10 years we need that.
How long? Some players may be taking a dump between sorties but are a bit constipated. Some may be having to deal with Seventh Day Adventists at the door. The wife may want a third honey-do. Some may even be conversing with new players and helping them with AH minutia. Damned AFKers.
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How long? Some players may be taking a dump between sorties but are a bit constipated. Some may be having to deal with Seventh Day Adventists at the door. The wife may want a third honey-do. Some may even be conversing with new players and helping them with AH minutia. Damned AFKers.
If they're off saving some orphans or whatever, I think they can live with logging back into the arena as a consequence of such important endeavours. Regardless of how easy it is to bypass it would at least get rid of the accidental ones.
Of course then the complaint becomes, "I watched so and so up at a back field and do nothing all night. Kick him." and etc and so forth. But at least it will make some people feel better somehow.
Wiley.
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Would zone ENY work better than overall ENY? For example, got a hoard in one area ganging a base, they should probably get an eny limit, if they die, must come back in earlier plane.
One problem that got me was, we were trying to capture a base from a CV. Our eny was at 25. We could only fly planes with 1 bomb, and we were not hoarding the base. The other team was able to roll spit16s and Ki84s to easily whop our earlier war planes with ordenance. We couldn't even get to the base. Did the eny really work? Or did it just make it that much harder to fight and therefore worthless to try for a base take. People logged and it reduced the #s on our side, it didn't spread them out.
Now, If the eny is zoned. It would balance the hoards with earlier war planes in that area. Which would create better fights. If it's Zoned, then people can roll their favorite plane from another zone and won't log off due to not being able to fly their fav plane.
Just a concept.
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We could only fly planes with 1 bomb
F4F Carries two bombs :aok
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If they're off saving some orphans or whatever, I think they can live with logging back into the arena as a consequence of such important endeavours.
And if they're ON saving orphans? You know - that thing I mentioned about helping a new player or two over coms with AH minutia? Are we supposed to always be doing this in flight and on auto-pilot? ;)
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And if they're ON saving orphans? You know - that thing I mentioned about helping a new player or two over coms with AH minutia? Are we supposed to always be doing this in flight and on auto-pilot? ;)
:O If they're on comms, it would see activity, and therefore not kick them.
Wiley.
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I'm afraid to count how many threads on ENY have been posted since ENY came to fruition.
PS: They're all the same. Just different posters in some cases.
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All this talk of ENY and Dora's, blah blah blah. The Ship Gun/Field Gun has more kills this tour (10 days) than any aircraft/vehicle. Sad.
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All this talk of ENY and Dora's, blah blah blah. The Ship Gun/Field Gun has more kills this tour (10 days) than any aircraft/vehicle.
Only because aircraft and vehicle stats split up into 96 different planes and 24 distinct vehicles. While all the types of mannable guns are presented as a single "Ship Gun".
How about Plane (24,524) Vehicle (10,549) Ship Gun (3,424)? ;)
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Only because aircraft and vehicle stats split up into 96 different planes and 24 distinct vehicles. While all the types of mannable guns are presented as a single "Ship Gun".
How about Plane (24,524) Vehicle (10,549) Ship Gun (3,424)? ;)
And Lusche says "POW right in the kisser!" ;)
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A lesson in propaganda. :aok
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Only because aircraft and vehicle stats split up into 96 different planes and 24 distinct vehicles. While all the types of mannable guns are presented as a single "Ship Gun".
How about Plane (24,524) Vehicle (10,549) Ship Gun (3,424)? ;)
Fair enough. Still too high, get in an airplane!
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So field guns account for 10% of all kills? Way too high imho
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Pretty sure that most of those kills were from CVs and BBs. Unless Kingpin and very FEW others have been riding in FIELD guns all tour :D Plus, you can get alot of proxy kills in Field guns...DANG radar suicides :rofl
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:O If they're on comms, it would see activity, and therefore not kick them.
Wiley.
Headset sound activated. Stereo on high. :D
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Headset sound activated. Stereo on high. :D
Yes. It is blindingly simple to bypass. That is why I understand HT not bothering with it.
Wiley.
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Fair enough. Still too high, get in an airplane!
don't tell me what to do! :neener:
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So how about the zone ENY concept?
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An accumulation of all the things that were killing AH actually should have killed it by now. Yet, no.
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i got a kill from the 88mm in the scenario last night from 5k away it felt dirty and i was ashamed of myself.
sorry flippz.
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i got a kill from the 88mm in the scenario last night from 5k away it felt dirty and i was ashamed of myself.
sorry flippz.
you should feel dirty (great shot)! not directed at you directly put I was saying when you exploded my plane "look at this dork in the 88, he thinks BOOOOOOOOOOM" wtf happened. lol <S> great shot again
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i got a kill from the 88mm in the scenario last night from 5k away it felt dirty and i was ashamed of myself.
sorry flippz.
Weak.
We ran into you a few times. Good fights <S>
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So how about the zone ENY concept?
^^^^^^
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ENY is good.
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With anywhere from 80 to 150 players on at any given time I would say it is pretty much killed.
An accumulation of all the things that were killing AH actually should have killed it by now. Yet, no.
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How long? Some players may be taking a dump between sorties but are a bit constipated. Some may be having to deal with Seventh Day Adventists at the door. The wife may want a third honey-do. Some may even be conversing with new players and helping them with AH minutia. Damned AFKers.
Half an hour in the tower with no key pressed and no mouse movement. When you come back to your keyboard you have to relog.
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Half an hour in the tower with no key pressed and no mouse movement. When you come back to your keyboard you have to relog.
Easy to get around that :)
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Easy to get around that :)
Yes but why would you do that? The point is to disconnect the people that totally forgot their game was on, and halp with ENY issues.
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Yes but why would you do that?
Not having to log back on when I suspect I could be gone for longer than that - for various reasons
The point is to disconnect the people that totally forgot their game was on, and halp with ENY issues.
I suspect that few actually forgot to log off. For example when they recon their side is about to win the war, they may just stay online to collect their 75 perks (which is a lot for the ordinary player)
And about those who actually did forget to log off - I'd guess that's about the same percentage on all sides, thus it would have little impact on ENY at all.
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I believe that those just sitting there are probably pretty even across the board so I don't see this as a problem. Remember when you are looking at those in flight against those that are not, anyone just sitting somewhere in a plane or GV or Gun will show in flight so you really do not know how many are actually afk.
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I suspect that few actually forgot to log off. For example when they recon their side is about to win the war, they may just stay online to collect their 75 perks (which is a lot for the ordinary player)
Wait .... 75 perks?
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Wait .... 75 perks?
25 fighter
25 bomber
25 vehicle
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75 total
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I am offering an argument to end or modify the imposition of ENY. As a game leveling, balancing factor of fairness, it fails. The game appears to be in a rut with the Rook nation largely absent. Numbers cycle from about 150 when all countries are populated relatively evenly, to about 25-30, with the Rook nation at times unrepresented. So, when it is 7 vs 11, the 11 member nation must struggle to make advances with early war planes against perk planes while the Rooks sit in tower. Have you ever tried to capture a field with FM2's against just a few La-7's/Spit 16's? The old days of the hoard covering each other's six are temporarily suspended at best, getting 10 people in on a mission is a real feat in the Steam age. None of them seem too impressed with ENY, either, btw.
When the map is new, or balanced, the Rooks seem to attend more. They certainly do not seem to log on and express, "goody, the have stinky eny let's nail them." It is more like, "bummer, the map sucks again, I'm playing Minecraft" and they leave and ENY soars.
No one really cares who won the last map, in internet terms, it no longer exists. If removing ENY to allow these stale maps to end and refresh causes a slew of victories for the populated country, I think what people will notice is, "ah, new map, a new chance to nail them," as so often inevitably happens anyway. It will increase attendance.
ENY is why we have maps with 60% fields belonging to the home country -- that do not end for days. This stuff is incredibly obvious and I should be enjoying my subscription, not managing the nature of it, so you are welcome for the heads up. Please consider the message, accept it's validity and make appropriate adjustments.
Oh ya.....no ENY for the morning Jokers raids....nope bad idea
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Oh ya.....no ENY for the morning Jokers raids....nope bad idea
The v97th switched from bish all the time to rook every other tour because the rooks have been so outnumbered early US mornings. It made it harder for enemies to roll undefended bases, possible to TAKE enemy bases, and usually leveled ENY pretty effectively. It also blunted those Joker raids: they seemed less able to take territory even flying their preferred planes when a critical mass of defenders could be gathered together, or when they had to sacrifice a player or two to defense when the rooks threatened bishop bases.
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I love how the Jokers make such an impression on the nme. :-)
The v97th switched from bish all the time to rook every other tour because the rooks have been so outnumbered early US mornings. It made it harder for enemies to roll undefended bases, possible to TAKE enemy bases, and usually leveled ENY pretty effectively. It also blunted those Joker raids: they seemed less able to take territory even flying their preferred planes when a critical mass of defenders could be gathered together, or when they had to sacrifice a player or two to defense when the rooks threatened bishop bases.
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I love how the Jokers make such an impression on the nme. :-)
Who?
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Oh ya.....no ENY for the morning Jokers raids....nope bad idea
The Japanese also attacked pearl harbor in the morning hours when only a few americans were logged in. Because of the ENY limiter the IJN was unable to use its La7s, 190Ds, and P51D, and had to use Zekes instead.
True facts :old: