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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on July 07, 2007, 02:38:36 PM
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The next scenario is:
(http://ahevents.org/images/stories/scenarios_images/200710_derGrosseSchlag/DGS_BANNER.jpg)
It is November, 1944. The US 8th Air Force is exerting itself to its limits, sending enormous waves of escorted heavy bombers into Germany for wide-ranging strikes in an attempt to bring Germany to its knees. However, General Galland has gathered Luftwaffe resources and is focusing its remaining might, which is substantial. His goal is to inflict horrific losses upon the 8th Air Force, preferably enough to crack its resolve. His goal is to deliver “Der Grosse Schlag” -- The Great Blow.
This scenario will pit 8th Air Force P-51D’s, P-51B’s, P-47D-25’s, P-38J’s, P-38L's, B-24J’s, and B-17G’s against Luftwaffe Bf 109K-4’s, Bf 109G-14’s, FW 190D-9’s, and FW 190A-8’s. The US will have strategic targets to destroy, and the Luftwaffe will do all it can to take down the enemy fighters and bombers. This is a battle for supremacy in the skies over Germany.
Pilots get two lives each frame, and there will be four frames plus one practice frame. The scenario is designed for a ratio of USAAF players to Luftwaffe players of 1.0 to 0.95 (nominally 112 USAAF fighter pilots and 27 USAAF bomber pilots to 130 Axis fighter pilots).
More details, when they are available, will be posted at:
http://ahevents.org/pacific-theatre/current-or-next-scenario-2.html
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Attention command pilots:
Both the Luftwaffe and USAAF sides are looking for command staff (such as Group Leaders). If you are interested, please send a private message to Stampf (the LW CO) or Fencer51 (the USAAF CO). Let them know that you are interested, and please tell them which scenarios you've played in and in what capacity (such as where you flew as a GL).
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(http://www.jg11.org/cpg1412/albums/userpics/10003/DGSFL.jpg)
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Hey Stampf, does the LW have anything that can at least comepete with the allied aircraft at 25+k? I was in an A8 last night on FSO, I was at 29k looking for buffs and 4 P38s went past me going like a rocket, I was lucky that they didn't turn round, otherwise I would have been toast.
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The simple answer is NO. We will be hard pressed at best, and only our superior planning and tactics will allow us to carry the day. No fear sir, I have no intention of sacrificing the whole of the Gruppen in the west.
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Perception is everything. There we were in those same buffs hoping we didn't run into those nasty A8s.
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From now until the start of this, I'm flying nothing else but the A8, even if it means me dying multiple times, I'm going to learn this Aircraft and learn it well.
I'll probably take some buffs up high as well and the buffs perspective on this, see if I can identify weaknesses from a defensive point of view.
I'm still of the opinion that this is a deadly aircraft if flown correctly.
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Originally posted by Hawco
From now until the start of this, I'm flying nothing else but the A8, even if it means me dying multiple times, I'm going to learn this Aircraft and learn it well.
I'll probably take some buffs up high as well and the buffs perspective on this, see if I can identify weaknesses from a defensive point of view.
I'm still of the opinion that this is a deadly aircraft if flown correctly.
What if you don't get a A8 in the Scenario?
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Then at least I'll be able to pass on some tips lol
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Originally posted by Hawco
Then at least I'll be able to pass on some tips lol
lol was just messing with you:aok
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Floats for a B24 please
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ohh man sounds like a blast, i want to be a gl again.
usaff please.
:)
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Not exactly noticed the rush to sign up for the A8's lol
C'mon boys, I'm usally a Jug/pony B guy, but been doing some practice in the A8 and the 109 for this thing as I know there won't be a rush for them, so c'mon and hop over to the LW !
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what bombsites will be used? the MA style? or the SEA style? (assuming SEA)
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Check the current tour stats for me. That's what I'd like to fly, but I'll go wherever I'm needed.
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Originally posted by SpikesX
what bombsites will be used? the MA style? or the SEA style? (assuming SEA)
MA style ,,, we get to many noobs in buff slots that cant hit the broad side of a barn anyway. :D
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
MA style ,,, we get to many noobs in buff slots that cant hit the broad side of a barn anyway. :D
Thats not a bad thing :D
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
MA style ,,, we get to many noobs in buff slots that cant hit the broad side of a barn anyway. :D
But there's gonna be wind, right? So it's a step above MA?
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I vote for Hurricane force winds at 30K and above!
(Joking!)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Check the current tour stats for me. That's what I'd like to fly, but I'll go wherever I'm needed.
:D Nice job sir. My lifetime kills in the A8 far eclipse those in any other A/C.
Take heart Hawco. All is well. :aok
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A8- the extra-crunchy 190 :D
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It tastes like chicken!
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Burnt chicken.
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Originally posted by Husky01
Thats not a bad thing :D
Get the SEA style, combine that with some noobs and voila!
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Originally posted by Krusty
But there's gonna be wind, right? So it's a step above MA?
there probely be a little wind ... but we wont know what it is til Brooke gets the weather forcast for that day :D
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
there probely be a little wind ... but we wont know what it is til Brooke gets the weather forcast for that day :D
Well with 80+ bombers I hope theres wind and not just a lil 5 mph breeze :)
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Remember, this is a historical setup, not a mass raid- the 80+ bombers will probably be split between 2-4 targets and coming at staggered times.
If I were you, I'd worry more about the 144 Little Friends marauding about... :D
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Remember, this is a historical setup, not a mass raid
Huh :confused: I could of sworn that in WWII there where giant buff raids with 80+ bombers......
bombers will probably be split between 2-4 targets and coming at staggered times.
I never said they would be in one group and all hit one target.
I said
Well with 80+ bombers I hope theres wind and not just a lil 5 mph breeze :)
All I said is that there where 80+ bombers didnt say anything about one giant pack, or one target..........
If I were you, I'd worry more about the 144 Little Friends marauding about
144? Im confused I thought the Allies had 112 Fighter and 27 Bombers. 112 + 27 = 139. and if you times the 27 x 3 thats 81. So 81 + 112 = 193? What 144 lil friends are you talking about Im confused?
:D
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why dont you just hold off til we release the rules ...
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Rules out yay! :D TY CMS
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I was watching the http://ahevents.org/scenarios/registration.html page waiting for registration to open, but a friend told me that even though that page says registration is not open, things are already getting organized! How does one get involved?
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Registration is Officially going to begin in August.
The COs are currently recruiting team members for all positions, there is a very active recruitment drive underway for both sides.
Contact Fencer for Allied Involvement and Stampf for Axis.
The respective forums are already up, and we are hoping for large teams in place by the time registration opens.
Bear in mind, we can stuff as many players into this event as we want, so get involved earlier, this is one of the scenarios that will be best if we pack the house.
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Originally posted by Trukk
I was watching the http://ahevents.org/scenarios/registration.html page waiting for registration to open, but a friend told me that even though that page says registration is not open, things are already getting organized! How does one get involved?
Trukk I already approached you and you declined to be involved. Did you forget that?
PM me if this has changed.
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I didn't word that quite right, I want to be involved as in fly in it, but just as a pilot. The event being mid-day I can't guarantee that I will be able to make it so I couldn't lead a flight or anything. I got the impression (mistakenly I think) that if one didn't get signed up now you'd be out of luck to fly in the event.
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Howdy, I was talkin to ROC in the MA last night, and am interested in flyin in this next scenario. I was in Coral Sea as a walk-on( lone surviving Kate), and as a walk-on in Husky.I loved both. I mainly fly U.S.iron (38s), but will work with any plane assigned.(cant hit the ground with bombs from buffs).Just ready to practice and have some fun, will fly axis or allies.
Thanks
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Nathan/Hand
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Originally posted by Hand
Howdy, I was talkin to ROC in the MA last night, and am interested in flyin in this next scenario. I was in Coral Sea as a walk-on( lone surviving Kate), and as a walk-on in Husky.I loved both. I mainly fly U.S.iron (38s), but will work with any plane assigned.(cant hit the ground with bombs from buffs).Just ready to practice and have some fun, will fly axis or allies.
Thanks
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Nathan/Hand
I can fit ya in a 38 with the 474th Hand if you want one. Drop me a PM
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OH man, guppy got him. I was setting him up for Axis last night lol
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Originally posted by ROC
OH man, guppy got him. I was setting him up for Axis last night lol
Hey! he said he likes 38s. Why force em into leather if you don't have to? :)
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Well, maybe he doesn't want to fly bombers in this scenario. :D
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:rofl :t
^-- that made my morning! Thanks hub, I needed a chuckle!
Well he said he likes US iron, so let him go allied. We'll try to accomodate everybody's interests, right? We've got plenty of room.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Well, maybe he doesn't want to fly bombers in this scenario. :D
Whiner! just cause you can't fly a B26! :)
Bombers indeed.
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Was just looking through the SS/films from Husky, thinking you might get a kick out of all those 14th birds in a mob heading for Sicily, then I realized that the filmviewer is still porked. After that snide remark, I'm glad.
;)
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originally posted by Stampf
The simple answer is NO. We will be hard pressed at best, and only our superior planning and tactics will allow us to carry the day. No fear sir, I have no intention of sacrificing the whole of the Gruppen in the west.
Well unless something has changed that I'm unaware of, the D-9s and K-4's will hang with the ponys above 20k and eat the -47s and -38s alive. If you keep your E up in the D-9 the ponys can follow you but they won't catch you. I look forward to changing your oppinion this senario Stampf... :aok
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I think the 30k stangs were on my mind VWE but I certainly am open to the schooling sir. :aok My opinion on the scenario is not reflected in my thoughts about the various plane performances at alt. The Axis gonna open a can of hurt on these boys, and frankly my honest opinion from the early signs is that this will be the best scenario yet, regardless of outcomes. That is my hope at least. Extreme fun for all in a nicely set up, well planned format.
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Unfortunately tactics seem to get thrown out the window in these senarios when you get into a furball. Axis needs to have some discussion on this issue in our forum.
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You are correct about the quickly deteriorating adhesion that often occurs shortly after the fight is joined. We will overcome that. Strategy, tactics, Doctrine, have all begun in the Axis Command Forums VWE, and shortly after registration opens, those threads will be brought over to Axis General.
You are 100% spot on imo. Who ever better co-ordinates, and controls their cartoon forces the best, has the best chance to carry the day.
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I think both COs and their command staffs are fairly intent on trying to make this more then a pig pile.
Wingmen, squad and flight coordiation etc will be big stuff. We don't get the opportunity much to try and fly it like our heros did. This should be a good time to get as close as a flight sim will allow us.
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Looking for a squadron to destroy German Iron with. I especially want to shoot knuckels down.
I am a proficient Pony pilot and would prefer to join a P-51D outfit. Who's recruiting?
(signed up Allies on reg. page already)
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Looking for a squadron to destroy German Iron with.
Sorry all out of those. Move along. :aok
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Originally posted by Casper1
Looking for a squadron to destroy German Iron with. I especially want to shoot knuckels down.
I am a proficient Pony pilot and would prefer to join a P-51D outfit. Who's recruiting?
(signed up Allies on reg. page already)
PM Fencer
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I 've got a squaddie, that has stepped up for a 38 slot , He went by DeCaff for yrs, now his handle is BludRonk, should make a good one.
Nathan/Hand
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474th FG 429th FS "The Retail Gang" Black 1
Der Grosse Schlag scenario
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DeCaff is BludRonk! Ill have to shoot his butt down!
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I PM'ed Fencer - still looking for a Mustang FG to pick me up...
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w00t n h00t! I'm in the 355th FG now... Looks like maybe room for you too Casper! :aok
*gonna be hunting a certain 109 with a clown that has bad Bozo hair at the stick* :rofl
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Will fly for food.
:)
Jordi
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Hi Jordi, you want Hamburgers or Bratwurst?
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Edit: Never Mind, hamburgers for you. Just saw you grabbed a bomber slot :)
Have fun up there, gonna be a heck of a view with 56 formations buzzing around a few hundred fighters.
Man o Man :O This is going to be a battle.
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Welcome Aboard Jordi!
GO COLTS!
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When is the first bomber Practice - I am rather rusty !
:)
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No Jordi you're not rusty ... you're old :lol
How the heck are you :)
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I have joined up on the USAAF side, and will happily fly whatever plane I am assigned. This will be my first scenario, It looks like a lot of fun, and cant wait to fly with you all
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Originally posted by 68falcon
No Jordi you're not rusty ... you're old :lol
How the heck are you :)
Well OLD and RUSTY !
:)
Doing fine - just dragged out of retirement to help out the good guys !
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Originally posted by jordi
Well OLD and RUSTY !
:)
Doing fine - just dragged out of retirement to help out the good guys !
Great glad to have you on the Axis side :D
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Is this an event that someone with minimal flight skills will really enjoy?
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It depends on the individual as to whether they would enjoy it.
Personally, I'd say yes.
In the very least you will learn allot about flying and fighting as well as history and you will get a chance to fly with some of the best sticks in AH.
The immersion in these events can't be beat. I say go for it.
Originally posted by Muskie6
Is this an event that someone with minimal flight skills will really enjoy?
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Is this an event that someone with minimal flight skills will really enjoy?
If you are willing to spend a good deal of time in practice sessions, respond to forum posts, and be part of a team that has Orders handed down from someone else and Follow those orders, then you will enjoy this event.
If you want to solo, don't like being told what to do and where to fly and what to not only attack but NOT attack, then no, you won't like a scenario.
These are very organized, very structured events. Flight skills always improve after one of these. It's virtually impossible to come out the other side of a well organized and driven scenario without a significantly different view on the game and new abilities.
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Muskie, it can really be a lot of fun regardless of your skill level. It's certainly a lot more organized, and can provide an awesome feeling of immersion. I definitely recommend giving it a shot at least once, even if you just look for a walkon spot.