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Title: Flying the F-35
Post by: FLS on April 01, 2019, 09:36:14 AM
Interesting article.

https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/f-35-faces-most-critical-test-180971734/
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: noman on April 01, 2019, 09:48:18 AM
Will get to see the F-35 for the first time at the Airshow in Waco this weekend.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Oldman731 on April 01, 2019, 10:10:52 AM
"If you were to write down all the ways in which you could measure an airplane—payload, fuel, ordnance, handling—and ask 100 pilots to rank which is the most important, I guarantee you that 100 out of 100 pilots would say “situational awareness.” By far. Not a single pilot in the world would say “turn radius.” Not one. Because the more you know, the more accurately you know it, the better able you are to make a decision."

Interesting observation.  And nice article.

- oldman
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 12:46:38 PM
#Propganda


I’ve seen better reporting from Pravda.    :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 01:34:19 PM
Loved that read thanks for posting. Very informative from real life experts. Seems the plane is doing well :)
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: perdue3 on April 01, 2019, 02:00:47 PM
#Propganda


I’ve seen better reporting from Pravda.    :rolleyes:

I agree. Bogdanov was an excellent and influential writer.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 02:45:03 PM
Will get to see the F-35 for the first time at the Airshow in Waco this weekend.

Boy are you in for a treat!  I’ve always wanted to see one live in action.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 03:45:34 PM
I agree. Bogdanov was an excellent and influential writer.

Lol!   Too funny.

This airplane is junk.   But so many people depend on it to line their pockets, so of course they’ll praise it.    Any honest person will be passed over.    Look at the saga of John Boyd for a prime example. 

Most powerful engine installled in a fighter...   Translation: This thing is a blowtorch that will light up every IR sensor for a thousand miles and melt concrete/asphalt in VTOL mode. 

The air show demo was a total hoax.    The dang thing was unarmed and out of gas when it landed (to minimize weight/maximize performance).   That’s not a useful combat capability. 

We are repeating the Brewster Buffalo. 

Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 03:56:02 PM
See rul3 #4
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Puma44 on April 01, 2019, 04:14:23 PM
Boy are you in for a treat!  I’ve always wanted to see one live in action.

You’ll love it!  Saw it several times during the Heritage Flight Conference.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 04:15:24 PM

Someone suggested I leave this for Spunk to see.   (I don’t read his bilge—he’s on ignore—so I have no clue what he says, but...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NaF0LLasxk

Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 04:31:37 PM
You’ll love it!  Saw it several times during the Heritage Flight Conference.

I’ll take a Super Hornet demo any day. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
Someone suggested I leave this for Spunk to see.   (I don’t read his bilge—he’s on ignore—so I have no clue what he says, but...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NaF0LLasxk



:rofl

Edit: that’s not even me I haven’t owned an account in years. Thanks for the laugh though lol. Pretty neat someone would name themselves after me, although I didn’t spell it that way. :salute.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 04:50:40 PM
You’ll love it!  Saw it several times during the Heritage Flight Conference.

Do you know where the F35 will be displayed anytime soon in the southeastern USA? I’ve always wanted to go see that and the F22.

At our local USAFB that I do contract work for from time to time they have lots of planes on display. My favorite being the F4 Phantom. The way that thing looks in its camo pattern gives me chills when I drive by it.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 05:15:33 PM
Someone told me to write this:

“Not your account?   That’s different from what you admitted on FlameWarriors.”

I’m almost tempted to read what he wrote.....but nah.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 05:18:13 PM
Someone told me to write this:

“Not your account?   That’s different from what you admitted on FlameWarriors.”

I’m almost tempted to read what he wrote.....but nah.

Do us a favor and post it.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Arlo on April 01, 2019, 05:22:39 PM
Or not. Way too many 'manly' purse fights, as is. :cool:
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: JOACH1M on April 01, 2019, 05:25:07 PM
I can confirm speak hasn’t played since like 2016.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 05:27:21 PM
I can confirm speak hasn’t played since like 2016.

The best pilot to ever grace the cartoon skies breaks his silence.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: JOACH1M on April 01, 2019, 05:40:42 PM
The best pilot to ever grace the cartoon skies breaks his silence.
I didn’t see Kazaa join the chat?
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 05:45:42 PM
Oh shoot I forgot bout him. It’s been a while :rofl
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 05:56:05 PM
I can confirm speak hasn’t played since like 2016.

Too bad the video is from 2016. :rofl :aok

It’s good he doesn’t play any more.   He can’t even beat Skyyr’s mini-me, Kruel (whom I am not particularly fond), nevermind Skyyr himself. 

Spunk admitted he got destroyed on FW.   I can’t post the search terms because they get filtered.   Yeah, Spunk was that mad.   :rofl
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 06:00:45 PM
See rule #4
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 06:07:19 PM
Too bad the video predates 2016.

It’s good he doesn’t play any more.   He can’t even beat Skyyr’s mini-me, Kruel (whom I am not particularly fond), nevermind Skyyr himself. 

Spunk admitted he got destroyed on FW.   I can’t post the search terms because they get filtered.   Yeah, Spunk was that mad.   :rofl

I have no idea what your deal is with me but you can keep lying all you want. The video was from 2018. It doesn’t predate 2016.  I don’t even know who Kruel is. You never cease to amaze me. You seem to know more about me and my time playing this game than I do lol.
I have never had any other forum accounts related to flying games. Matter of fact this and reddit are the only accounts I have that have forums lol. Where does your hate for me stem from? Lol this is comical.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Spikes on April 01, 2019, 06:20:39 PM
Just so you know...LMGTFY is supposed to be used when something is painstakingly obvious...not when you're linking some obscure thread in a random forum.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: JOACH1M on April 01, 2019, 06:20:51 PM
Meh late 2016/17 *shrug*

It’s been a few years for me.


But I will say if you think Kruel was better than spek that’s not true... I’ve fought both many times... I don’t feel like participating in this convo much longer.

Skyyr was the last player in this game that really truly made me take it serious... now? Nobody really challenges or seems to want to compete anymore.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 06:27:00 PM
Just so you know...LMGTFY is supposed to be used when something is painstakingly obvious...not when you're linking some obscure thread in a random forum.

I don’t give a rip what it’s for according to you.  I am not posting the direct link here because it has vulgarities in it that will get me banned.   

LMGTFY will have to suffice. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 06:33:03 PM
Meh late 2016/17 *shrug*

It’s been a few years for me.


But I will say if you think Kruel was better than spek that’s not true... I’ve fought both many times... I don’t feel like participating in this convo much longer.

Skyyr was the last player in this game that really truly made me take it serious... now? Nobody really challenges or seems to want to compete anymore.

You’re wrong about Kruel.   He would wipe the floor with Spunk. 

You’re right about the rest.    Heck, if you want a challenge, train me!   I’m willing to learn.   :salute
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: JOACH1M on April 01, 2019, 06:42:26 PM
You’re wrong about Kruel.   He would wipe the floor with Spunk. 

You’re right about the rest.    Heck, if you want a challenge, train me!   I’m willing to learn.   :salute
Im telling you right now you are wrong lol.

Well when I’m on just ask to go matchplay arena and I will 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 07:06:31 PM
You are really doubling down on your lies Vraciu :rofl
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 01, 2019, 07:21:21 PM
Im telling you right now you are wrong lol.

Well when I’m on just ask to go matchplay arena and I will

I'll gladly take you up on that offer, bro.  I hope I survive the merge!  :salute

So.  Ignoring the fact Skyyr beat Spunk twice already, who would you put your money on?   (I still say Kruel could beat him.)

Also, do you know any good car washes I can get my 1969 Dodge Charger detailed at?  #InsideJoke
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2019, 07:24:48 PM
I’m blessed To be able to work for my father Vraciu! Thanks for tossing some real life shade at me. I’m guessing your father let you down in life?  Gotta try and belittle me and mine? 

Edit: please keep going this isn’t even good yet.
Edit2: since you like to edit yours to take away insult to save face I’ll leave mine :)
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Shuffler on April 01, 2019, 11:32:52 PM
Interesting posts. I never thought that skyrr fella was very good at all. That is unless he vastly improved while I was gone after my home flooded.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Puma44 on April 02, 2019, 12:26:15 AM
Do you know where the F35 will be displayed anytime soon in the southeastern USA? I’ve always wanted to go see that and the F22.

At our local USAFB that I do contract work for from time to time they have lots of planes on display. My favorite being the F4 Phantom. The way that thing looks in its camo pattern gives me chills when I drive by it.

I believe both the demo teams have Facebook pages.  That might be a good source for air show schedules.

Yeah, the Rhino........

(https://i.postimg.cc/3xVVXDtC/921-A6276-F8-C1-4-F6-D-8560-20-C3201297-E4.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: noman on April 02, 2019, 10:47:31 AM
It seems the F-35 Demo team is following the Thunderbirds since that is who will also be at the Airshow in Waco. I am going to the Airshow in Houston in October and the F-35 has just been annonced it will be doing a Demo there as well. Might check the Thunderbirds Schedule.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Puma44 on April 02, 2019, 11:02:47 AM
Here it is: https:  //www.newsairshow.com/headlines/2018/12/4/2019-f-35-lightning-demo-team-schedule-released
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 02, 2019, 11:20:25 AM
If we had to vote on the sexiest jet driven plane of all time what would you guys choose?  Random I know.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: noman on April 02, 2019, 11:27:31 AM
If we had to vote on the sexiest jet driven plane of all time what would you guys choose?  Random I know.

My Vote Would be the SR-71
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Gman on April 02, 2019, 11:35:25 AM


(https://i0.wp.com/theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/F35_Two_Seat_April_FoolV2.jpg?resize=678%2C381&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Puma44 on April 02, 2019, 11:41:15 AM
If we had to vote on the sexiest jet driven plane of all time what would you guys choose?  Random I know.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HL0YgrGC/FD894-D86-1888-43-A7-A9-D5-98-AC88-B0-F04-C.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 02, 2019, 11:47:16 AM
My Vote Would be the SR-71
That was my choice as well.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Shuffler on April 02, 2019, 12:37:25 PM
My Vote Would be the SR-71

In the air nice, on the ground a leaking hazard.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Spikes on April 02, 2019, 01:00:40 PM
If we had to vote on the sexiest jet driven plane of all time what would you guys choose?  Random I know.
F-14
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 02, 2019, 01:10:24 PM
In the air nice, on the ground a leaking hazard.
Didn’t they have to manufacture the plane to where it would leak after landing? Or did I read something wrong. Something to do with the heat making the plane expand etc.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Zimme83 on April 02, 2019, 01:10:59 PM
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Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 02, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
F-14
Only if Maverick himself flew it 😉
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 02, 2019, 01:24:48 PM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/RA-5C_Vigilante_RVAH-7_1979.jpg

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/RA-5C_Vigilante_RVAH-7_1979.jpg)
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Shuffler on April 02, 2019, 01:44:16 PM
Didn’t they have to manufacture the plane to where it would leak after landing? Or did I read something wrong. Something to do with the heat making the plane expand etc.

The plane in flight would heat and expand. When at rest the fittings were loose because the plane was cool. All in the design.... on a slide rule at that.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Drano on April 02, 2019, 01:52:15 PM
The plane in flight would heat and expand. When at rest the fittings were loose because the plane was cool. All in the design.... on a slide rule at that.
Same guy figgered up the P-38 too!

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Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: FLS on April 02, 2019, 01:57:16 PM
Same guy figgered up the P-38 too!

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The P-38 Lightning can do a spiral dive and recover like the F-35.   :D
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 02, 2019, 01:57:31 PM
Same guy figgered up the P-38 too!

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And the P-80, another good looking jet. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 02, 2019, 02:00:22 PM
The P-38 Lightning can do a spiral dive and recover like the F-35.   :D
I hear that the thrust vectoring in the P38 was ahead of its time.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: FLS on April 02, 2019, 02:11:30 PM
I hear that the thrust vectoring in the P38 was ahead of its time.

Not saying it was a good technique. 

If you were a young expert fighter pilot just playing around out of sight of the base...
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 02, 2019, 02:12:59 PM
Not saying it was a good technique. 

If you were a young expert fighter pilot just playing around out of sight of the base...

If the 38 got into a flat spin wouldn’t cutting 1 engine off help you recover?
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Puma44 on April 02, 2019, 02:24:52 PM
If the 38 got into a flat spin wouldn’t cutting 1 engine off help you recover?

Reducing to idle vs cutoff might be a better technique, especially if recovery occurred at low altitude. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Drano on April 02, 2019, 02:33:51 PM
If the 38 got into a flat spin wouldn’t cutting 1 engine off help you recover?
Pretty sure the manual sez throttle to idle, clean up flaps, slight nose down on stick and opposite rudder.

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Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Drano on April 02, 2019, 02:35:25 PM
Although making sure you ditched that tank or bomb you forgot about might have avoided it in the first place! I have much experience in this area!

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Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: DaveBB on April 02, 2019, 03:59:42 PM
There was a really good aviation historian who died flying a P-38 when one engine cut out on him.  His name was Jeff Ethell.  This was in the late 90s, always enjoyed watching him on "Wings".
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Drano on April 02, 2019, 04:54:01 PM
I have a DVD of the P-38 episode of a show he did about different warbirds. Really interesting stuff with a full walk-around and explanation of the different systems and then flying. Sadly I think this was the last episode as he was killed flying that same 38, which was a newly restored bird, just a few weeks later. He lost an engine on final and as I recall it was because he'd forgotten to switch the fuel selector and it starved the engine. And that was something he talked about in the DVD too.

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Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Shuffler on April 02, 2019, 04:57:50 PM
There was a really good aviation historian who died flying a P-38 when one engine cut out on him.  His name was Jeff Ethell.  This was in the late 90s, always enjoyed watching him on "Wings".

Strange to as the 38 is said to fly fine on one engine. The counter rotating props even helps in this regard. Now I imagine under full power in takeoff configuration it might be a bit much to handle if you did not react quick enough.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: FLS on April 02, 2019, 06:48:10 PM
If the 38 got into a flat spin wouldn’t cutting 1 engine off help you recover?

I believe it would stop the spin but you'd still drop straight down. It also helps you rotate a hammerhead. When stalled after a zoom climb you can point the nose anywhere you like.

I made a video about asymmetrical thrust in the AH P-38 if you haven't seen it you can click my youtube link.

There was a really good aviation historian who died flying a P-38 when one engine cut out on him.  His name was Jeff Ethell.  This was in the late 90s, always enjoyed watching him on "Wings".

He was friends with my dad when they both lived in Virginia. I never met him but I have two of his books, one that he signed and his Komet book signed by Rudy Opitz.

Ethell describes using asymmetrical thrust in the coverleaf maneuver, something he heard about from his dad, a P-38 pilot. The description sounds like he's rotating the yaw axis when he gets slow enough at the top of an oblique hammerhead.  Doing this 4 times makes a 4 leaf clover if I understand it correctly.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 02, 2019, 07:19:23 PM
There was a really good aviation historian who died flying a P-38 when one engine cut out on him.  His name was Jeff Ethell.  This was in the late 90s, always enjoyed watching him on "Wings".

He was an idiot, at least in regard to how he died.    Shameful waste of a man and a machine. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 02, 2019, 07:21:39 PM
Strange to as the 38 is said to fly fine on one engine. The counter rotating props even helps in this regard. Now I imagine under full power in takeoff configuration it might be a bit much to handle if you did not react quick enough.

Not really.   Handed props (turning outboard) can be a real witch compared to props that rotate inward.     Lots of factors involved that make the former far more deadly than the latter.   

But then again, LeVier and Gardner flew 38s one one engine and did spectacular things.    It’s all about being within the envelope at the end of the day. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Oldman731 on April 02, 2019, 09:44:20 PM
If we had to vote on the sexiest jet driven plane of all time what would you guys choose?  Random I know.
(https://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff406/Oldman731/F.105_2.png?width=400&height=400&crop=1:1,smart)

- oldman
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Puma44 on April 02, 2019, 09:53:20 PM
(https://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff406/Oldman731/F.105_2.png?width=400&height=400&crop=1:1,smart)

- oldman

Nothing like a classic Century Series jet.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: deSelys on April 03, 2019, 01:16:41 AM
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Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: CptTrips on April 03, 2019, 10:07:52 AM
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Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: 1stpar3 on April 03, 2019, 02:37:35 PM
F-14
:aok DCS released their F-14...incase you didnt know. Complete with AI REO. Also recent post about their 190-a8 in the works  :joystick:
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: DaveBB on April 03, 2019, 03:17:54 PM
He was an idiot, at least in regard to how he died.    Shameful waste of a man and a machine.

I think it was their second or 3rd hop of the day.  He was probably fatigued.  Anyone can get behind the curve when flying a plane.  Better pilots than Jeff have died flying twin engine aircraft with more safety features (think of all the F-14 pilots that have been killed). 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 03, 2019, 03:21:32 PM
I think it was their second or 3rd hop of the day.  He was probably fatigued.  Anyone can get behind the curve when flying a plane.  Better pilots than Jeff have died flying twin engine aircraft with more safety features (think of all the F-14 pilots that have been killed). 

You are probably right. I can’t understand how someone will call someone names being deceased. Jeez talk about lack of respect. I’m sure he was a good man and even better pilot. Shame it happened :salute
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 03, 2019, 03:33:00 PM
I think it was their second or 3rd hop of the day.  He was probably fatigued.  Anyone can get behind the curve when flying a plane.  Better pilots than Jeff have died flying twin engine aircraft with more safety features (think of all the F-14 pilots that have been killed).

He ran out of gas.   No excuse for that.   Doubly so to get fatigued and keep pushing it.    If you're tired stop.   He was also operating illegally. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Puma44 on April 05, 2019, 06:59:06 PM
You are probably right. I can’t understand how someone will call someone names being deceased. Jeez talk about lack of respect. I’m sure he was a good man and even better pilot. Shame it happened :salute

Fact is, he made a pilot error, exhausted fuel and died as a result.   Agree.  Name calling falls short.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Arlo on April 05, 2019, 07:01:22 PM
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Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 05, 2019, 09:10:03 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/43/2d/8a432d19befe842640ae461b301992f0.jpg)

I almost posted the F9F-5.   The bigger tail makes it look better.   Beautiful jet.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 05, 2019, 09:11:24 PM
Fact is, he made a pilot error, exhausted fuel and died as a result.   Agree.  Name calling falls short.

Lack of respect, blah blah blah.   I don’t have to respect anyone who kills themself through stupidity because they let their notoriety convince them they were bulletproof. 

Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Arlo on April 05, 2019, 09:22:04 PM
Lack of respect, blah blah blah.   I don’t have to respect anyone who kills themself through stupidity because they let their notoriety convince them they were bulletproof.


There's a big difference between not agreeing to pay respect and choosing to assassinate character. The latter is pretty much always unnecessary and only makes one look worse than what they chose to attack. Even if one cannot maintain their silence they should at least consider mitigating their noise, somewhat.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 05, 2019, 09:26:22 PM

There's a big difference between not agreeing to pay respect and choosing to assassinate character. The latter is pretty much always unnecessary and only makes one look worse than what they chose to attack. Even if one cannot maintain their silence they should at least consider mitigating their noise, somewhat.

The guy screwed up on multiple levels.   That only speaks to professionalism and judgment. I have no idea about his character. 

The guy was an idiot, just like Van Zanten (who killed 570+ people because he was in a hurry).   

I have zero respect or tolerance for that, and I don’t care how many snowflakes this offends.    When you fly warbirds you’re in charge of national treasures.    Act like it. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Arlo on April 05, 2019, 09:29:11 PM
Defending one's own bad manners always makes one look refreshingly honest and whatnot.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 05, 2019, 09:34:03 PM
Defending one's own bad manners always makes one look refreshingly honest and whatnot.

Yes, let’s blame cold rational facts on being ill-mannered.   

#Yawn

This is a deadly business with high standards.   Your Fighter Writer didn’t live up to them—and in at least one instance WILLFULLY disregarded/violated them.   You defend him all you like.   Fact is he messed up—and I’m glad he didn’t kill anyone else in the process.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 06, 2019, 10:14:53 AM
Confirmed all my beliefs about this guy ^. Dancing on the grave of a man that’s passed. WOW
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 06, 2019, 01:07:44 PM
Professionals vs amateurs.   

It’s a distinct line. 

Yes, by all means, if you kill yourself you’re beyond scrutiny for being a dumb arse.  That makes perfect sense.   Only criticize the living.  /sarcasm

#Moronic

Be quiet, rookie. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Arlo on April 06, 2019, 01:28:05 PM
Professionals vs amateurs.   

It’s a distinct line. 

Yes, by all means, if you kill yourself you’re beyond scrutiny for being a dumb arse.  That makes perfect sense.   Only criticize the living.  /sarcasm

#Moronic

Be quiet, rookie.

Are you really attempting to claim privilege over decency due to profession? Interesting.  :headscratch:

(The vast majority of professionals I've observed, served with, worked with seemed more grown up than that - just sayin'. But then - meh - internet now.)
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 06, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
Are you really attempting to claim privilege over decency due to profession? Interesting.  :headscratch:

(The vast majority of professionals I've observed, served with, worked with seemed more grown up than that - just sayin'. But then - meh - internet now.)

You’re one warped dude. 

If we didn’t “dance on the graves” of dead pilots like your chuckleheaded friend suggested we would still be crashing airplanes in droves. 

Truth is truth.   We don’t sugarcoat a screwup just because the pilot died in the process.  Brutal honesty may encourage the next guy to make a better decision.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Arlo on April 06, 2019, 01:52:28 PM
You’re one warped dude. 

If we didn’t “dance on the graves” of dead pilots like your chuckleheaded friend suggested we would still be crashing airplanes in droves. 

Truth is truth.   We don’t sugarcoat a screwup just because the pilot died in the process.  Brutal honesty may encourage the next guy to make a better decision.

You can offer professional criticism without childish personal attacks. Also, there's a time and place for things. Guess civility and true professionalism are beyond you.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Shuffler on April 06, 2019, 02:21:12 PM
Intelligent folks learn from their mistakes and other folks mistakes.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 08, 2019, 01:45:58 AM
You’re one warped dude. 

If we didn’t “dance on the graves” of dead pilots like your chuckleheaded friend suggested we would still be crashing airplanes in droves. 

Truth is truth.   We don’t sugarcoat a screwup just because the pilot died in the process.  Brutal honesty may encourage the next guy to make a better decision.

You can learn from other's errors without having to be insulting and disrespectful.  Shows a lot about someone's class.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 08, 2019, 07:17:02 AM
You can learn from other's errors without having to be insulting and disrespectful.  Shows a lot about someone's class.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Puma44 on April 08, 2019, 11:29:03 AM
You can learn from other's errors without having to be insulting and disrespectful.  Shows a lot about someone's class.

True.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 08, 2019, 12:48:09 PM
See rule #4
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: hitech on April 08, 2019, 03:10:17 PM
Everyone please knock off the name calling.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Puma44 on April 08, 2019, 04:00:16 PM
Might be time to padlock this thread since it’s gone far beyond flyINg the F-35.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Shuffler on April 08, 2019, 04:05:10 PM
Might be time to padlock this thread since it’s gone far beyond flyINg the F-35.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: FLS on April 12, 2019, 08:45:03 PM
Here's the new airshow.

Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 12, 2019, 09:01:35 PM
Here's the new airshow.


 :aok That video must have been shot on Saturday. I was there Sunday and the polished pony was not there. The video doesn't do the F-35 justice. It was amazing to watch in person.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: DaveBB on April 13, 2019, 10:27:01 AM
Did they ever get all the sensors to work on the F-35 so that the pilot could see through the aircraft via his helmet?  That would be a major breakthrough if they did, and might make the plane worth it.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 13, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 13, 2019, 05:40:53 PM
Did they ever get all the sensors to work on the F-35 so that the pilot could see through the aircraft via his helmet?  That would be a major breakthrough if they did, and might make the plane worth it.

Nothing will make it worth it. 

Let’s hope it never has to be used against a tier one opponent.    It’s fine for airshows and wasting ramp space at Luke...

Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Toad on April 13, 2019, 06:00:24 PM
I think we better hope the JASDF F-35 isn't on the dock in Shanghai right now. Or in a hangar at Jianqiao Air Base!
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 13, 2019, 06:39:48 PM
I think we better hope the JASDF F-35 isn't on the dock in Shanghai right now. Or in a hangar at Jianqiao Air Base!

They already stole all the info I bet.   Joke’s on them.    :rofl :D
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 13, 2019, 08:34:02 PM
The plane is such a step forward in history. I’m glad we are able to produce quality jets like this. Can’t wait to see what we come up with next.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 14, 2019, 12:31:38 AM
I'm interested in seeing how the F-16 is going to perform when it gets some of the F-35 systems.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Spitter on April 15, 2019, 11:26:56 PM
I work on the A-10.  The F-35 is supposed to replace the A-10 (at least most of it's roles), but it can't. It is simply in a different performance envelope. Not better or worse, but different and definitely worse for the 2 most important roles the A-10 plays: Close Air Support, and even more important, Combat Search and Rescue. 

The F-35 is a boondoggle (go watch "The Pentagon Wars", and imagine the same thing with an airplane, and waaaayyyy more money). I work on Hill AFB, I see the F-35s flying over every day, and it's a cool plane. Fast, loud, (really loud) and a hangar queen that is almost as bad as the F-22! 

Luckily, the A-10 is funded through 2032. Long live the Warthog!  :D  :rock
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: DaveBB on April 17, 2019, 03:47:55 PM
I work on the A-10.  The F-35 is supposed to replace the A-10 (at least most of it's roles), but it can't. It is simply in a different performance envelope. Not better or worse, but different and definitely worse for the 2 most important roles the A-10 plays: Close Air Support, and even more important, Combat Search and Rescue. 

The F-35 is a boondoggle (go watch "The Pentagon Wars", and imagine the same thing with an airplane, and waaaayyyy more money). I work on Hill AFB, I see the F-35s flying over every day, and it's a cool plane. Fast, loud, (really loud) and a hangar queen that is almost as bad as the F-22! 

Luckily, the A-10 is funded through 2032. Long live the Warthog!  :D  :rock

You aren't going to like this, but A-10s have a horrible friendly fire ratio.  They were blowing up US Marine AAVs (full of Marines) during the Battle of Nasiriyah in Iraq.  Read the book, had a classmate who was in the battle.  F-35 has the optics to identify what is friend or foe.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 17, 2019, 03:50:22 PM
You aren't going to like this, but A-10s have a horrible friendly fire ratio.  They were blowing up US Marine AAVs (full of Marines) during the Battle of Nasiriyah in Iraq.  Read the book, had a classmate who was in the battle.  F-35 has the optics to identify what is friend or foe.

IF they get them to work. 

Friendly fire is as old as time and will continue to be, technology be darned.   

B-1s hit the wrong targets.   Apaches hit the wrong targets. 

At least with the Joint Strike Failure the targets it can hit will be so terribly limited that collateral friendly deaths should be minimized from this platform. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: DaveBB on April 17, 2019, 04:00:06 PM
IF they get them to work. 

Friendly fire is as old as time and will continue to be, technology be darned.   

B-1s hit the wrong targets.   Apaches hit the wrong targets. 

At least with the Joint Strike Failure the targets it can hit will be so terribly limited that collateral friendly deaths should be minimized from this platform.

B-1s still had radar bombsites at the beginning of the War on Terror.  Apache friendly fire has been attributed to blatantly disregarding orders (Gulf War).
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 17, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
B-1s still had radar bombsites at the beginning of the War on Terror.  Apache friendly fire has been attributed to blatantly disregarding orders (Gulf War).

They’re doing it in Afghanistan as we speak.   Radar bombsites have nothing to do with it. 
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 17, 2019, 09:46:45 PM
B-1s still had radar bombsites at the beginning of the War on Terror.  Apache friendly fire has been attributed to blatantly disregarding orders (Gulf War).

Careful as the guy you are arguing with knows it all.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Shuffler on April 17, 2019, 10:01:06 PM
Careful as the guy you are arguing with knows it all.

Not one has said they know it all or even hinted that they did. Your post are just silly.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: ACE on April 18, 2019, 06:28:43 AM
Not one has said they know it all or even hinted that they did. Your post are just silly.

Get off my ankle shuff
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 18, 2019, 07:36:33 AM
Not one has said they know it all or even hinted that they did. Your post are just silly.

+1

 :cheers: :salute

Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Shuffler on April 18, 2019, 04:47:13 PM
Get off my ankle shuff

The only reason anyone would be holding your ankle is to keep you from going off the cliff.
Title: Re: Flying the F-35
Post by: Vraciu on April 18, 2019, 05:38:58 PM
The only reason anyone would be holding your ankle is to keep you from going off the cliff.

 :rofl